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So, making this thread because I just play the most  :uhrr: game I've ever had.

I figure everyone has games like this, where they just need to tell someone.

Ok, so pre-match.

Insta-Lock Janna
Insta-Lock Sona
Talon
Riven
I pick Tryn but don't lock, namely just to prevent anyone taking him.

Before this match, I had someone dodge, and in that setup, there was an instalock Tryn with revive, so figured it best to pre-empt him in case I got stuck with him again.

Sona and Janna announce they are premade and will be laning together. Ok, not optimal, two supports, same lane, no real tank picked yet, but whatever, we'll roll with it.

Once everyone is locked in, I think about taking a tank myself, but figure this isn't going to go well any way we slice it, so I take Jax and decide the jungle. Riven can solo lane.

Game starts, Riven starts to go top to take the solo lane. Janna and Sona are going there as well. We ask them to go bot so Riven can solo top. They refuse. Riven trys explaining to them that top is the better solo lane, so the two on bot can def dragon ect; I try explaining to Riven that they are premade, and more than likely will refuse to listen to any logic, so just go bot. They keep saying they are premade and they said they were premade, and why won't we let them be premade, we are huge noobs; ect;

Fight breaks out top, Sona dies, Riven and Janna kill one, then chase the other into our jungle where Talon cuts him off and we pick up a second kill. Meanwhile at blue the bot lane tries to gank me and steal blue but fails horribly and I flash out at half health and recall and buy some more potions with the intention of continuing jungle.
Sona is going back top by now, Riven is still trying to get them to just go bot already.

All chatting commencing from Sona and Janna calling everyone else on our team noobs, plz report, ect; the standard fair. I'm still jungling concidering going bot but deciding against it, as I've pretty much figured out the pattern of this game by now. This is going to be a 3/2 failed surrender vote at 20. Going bot at this point would only serve as a delaying tactic to a clearly lost game.

I tell Riven and Talon as much, Riven has also stated as much. By this time we are about 10 minutes in, and the other team as 15 or so kills, to our 5. 2 of which are mine on ganks on mid.

Talon proceeds to say he is going to report me for killstealing the mid kills and I'm a huge noob. I'm vailidated about how this game is going to turn out now, when all of a sudden Riven does a 180 and throws his hat into the ring about reporting me as well. Because I didn't defend the bot tower... but neither did he, as this entire time he has been top, with Sona and Janna...  :uhrr:

We manage a surrender at 20, with 1 voting no. By this team the entire team is saying they will be reporting me.  :uhrr:

On second thought, lets not play LoL, tis a silly game.

Clearly your fault for not letting them go three top.  :why_so_serious:

I had a really shitty game myself just now, where I ended up top as Garen along with Irelia, vs a solo Garen on the other side. Things seem to be going okay, but around level 3-4, Irelia suddenly decides that two against Garen top is overkill, and goes jungling - in the middle of a skirmish with Garen, who hits level 5 and proceeds to kill my level 3 ass. After that I could only delay the inevitable, as Irelia never showed her face back up top again, whilst Garen kept having a level & gear advantage against me and subsequently out-zoned and out-creeped me, and even managed to run off to get a couple of kills in mid. 

While I didn't die to him again, I couldn't do anything other than harass him, try to stay alive, and try to keep the minions off the tower. Eventually I'm at the point, healthwise, where he'll be able to take me out with a tower-dive, so I'm forced to recall - all the while trying to get Irelia to cover me up top. No such luck, she continues jungling - now 3 levels behind everyone else on our team. Garen takes out the tower at top, and from there on out owns everyone on my team apart from me - since I'm the only one with enough sense to not go head-to-head with the dude in solo-mode. I have barely managed to scrape together enough gold to stack a few Doran's Blades but nothing else, and once Garen proceeds to wreck house - I get all the blame for "buying shitty items and not handling Garen top".  :facepalm:

So wait.  Instead of giving it up Riven stayed top and left bot lane empty?  :facepalm:  Seeing stuff like that makes me feel there really is something wrong with the Elo system.   Someone that dumb should be tanking their Elo to 700 or whatever.

I had a similar occurrence where an insta-lock yi said "I am going top no matter what" even though we had already said "Morgana mid, Nasus solo-lane." So when Nasus went bottom solo lane and our other non-jungler went top Yi proceeded to go fuck up our jungler by running around in the jungle and not playing with the team at all. Calling us all noobs the whole time and whining about his solo-top lane. Eventually one of the other people tried to tell my friend (who was playing Nasus) that it was all his fault for not letting Yi have his way. The other team was terrible so we ended up playing for like 45 minutes before we finally lost because 4v5 was just not working out.

One of my RL friends was being a real shit and trolling the whole game. I apologised for his behaviour and a random in the game decided that I needed to be reported as well.

Now that there is a good "Wait, what?" moment.

Do you get a notification when someone reports you?

Nope, frankly from what I've seen, the report button seems to do fuck all. Maybe it works in the NA server, but I've never heard of anyone getting punished over here from reports. Also seen obvious trolls around for months. I've heard of people having their names changed tho.

Riot has said they've suspended and banned tons of people, so maybe they are doing something. The systems appears to be much better at catching people who go out of their way to piss everybody off in a game.

NE Europe's problem seems to be people ragequitting or going afk at the slightest setback. One dude died two times and gave up in a huff. Kind of annoying, but oh well. 

On my 2nd account I had reported enough to get an email saying I was a level 1 leaver and to not do it anymore!

Nothing better than getting someone to ragequit on you. I take it as a sign I'm getting better at the game when I see things like:

FUCK
YOU
MORG

or have people quit after I've killed them in the middle lane twice in a row(I'm looking at you cait) They don't like it when you shield and just run over all their traps.

I don't stress about normal games anymore. Its a place I learn stuff and try troll builds.  Its more fun this way. Was playing this newly introduced "normal draft" mode this weeked, one match was funny. I was  practicing my newly learned skill of  jungling and picked tryndamer with smite. After this there was guy who picked  yi with  ignite and revive . I asked him to pick something tanky but he ignored so whatever. game starts this dude sits at wolves! - I ask wtf?! - "i am jungling".. I LoL and kill wolves together with him. then wraiths then golems .Its not enough to level so I decide what the heck and go to enemy jungle to continue...  Rest of the game I was dodging enemy ganks and trolling yi by stealing all his buffs with smite ( he was saying "merda" and something else too ) :)

Surprisingly we won the game as the other team was terribad

I am a bad player. I have been trying to learn as many champs as I can, so I'm usually pretty terrible with any champ I play because it's likely the first time I've played them. I'm also currently level 10 so experienced players should probably figure out my n00bness. I have a system. I will likely die first or multiple times by tower diving or just getting caught out. If someone starts bitching about my play after the first or second death, they get put on ignore and told to fuck off. I also tend to get better as the game goes on (that whole learning about the champ thing).

Amazingly, I've got more wins than losses.

So just had a good game as Leonia. Got paired with a Wukong monkey man and we pretty much abused our opposing Talon/Singed at-will between my stun+burst and whatever Wukong does.

Unfortunately, our jungle Fiddle was underwhelming, Maokai kind of got owned in his solo lane, and our MF in mid didn't do a damn thing, sucked at farming, and didn't have piss for items or damage.

Lost 5 v 4 after their Talon raged out after getting reamed a few times...Hate when I waste good games - I even avoided a 4v1 gank by actually remembering to place totems.

Their first mistake was not giving Singed a solo lane.

But you sound like you are getting there. I still wonder wtf wukong does besides spin and invis for a sec :)

Singed was on the other team.

The problem was not noticing Maokai doing horrible until too late I think. When you have a lane partner doing really well, you sometimes zone out and don't realize how bad other lanes are doing.

Wuklong is awesome at laning. He can probably out-lane most of the popular solo top champs because his early game burst is pretty good and Decoy is great for harassing (either to get out without punishment, or to get in range of someone for your burst without having them retreat).

After the laning phase ends he's pretty worthless though. He doesn't scale well so your damage will be paltry mid-late game. Buying any tanky items on him means that you you won't have enough damage to be a threat in team-fights, which means you end up pretty squishy focusing mostly on damage items. An aoe knock-up ult is always going to be okay, but that's all he has going for him after the first 15-20 minutes. He's probably the weakest champion out of the past 10 or so.

I was being bad troll last night.  We had jungle nunu I was solo cait. We were rolling them pretty solidly , nunu kept insulting me though ( I died once to tower  - too careless , we were rolling them). I had a ward at enemy blue so I go and kill enemy yi trying take it and then almost killed golem but nunu comes and takes "mah blu" :( I throw a few insults around while nunu proclaims I am worthless and he is "carrying team" (he was doing pretty decent  - 3/1 vs my 5/2 ) .then I said something about "lol nunu carry" and he asks team who they prefer me or him

Well I say "lets see " and went afk. My team went from 30/10 lead  and all mid towers down to losing at 50 minutes. (still having kill lead though). I do feel kinda bad... but there is something in LoL which just makes me troll sometimes :(

Perhaps it's that the bad part of the community really is a pack of gibbering thundercunts with Tourette's and Napoleon complex?

heh, reminds me of when I play Janna

I'll get called worthless killstealer by some carry who has something like 12 kills thanks to me, if I land my w and get the killshot while someone is fleeing. Guessing they base this off me always having scores like 1/2/23.

Once that happens I like to play the "have all the kills yourself game" with them. Where I keep playing, and once they engage I just ditch and turn back. I'm worthless anyhow, so I'm sure he will do fine without me  :why_so_serious:

I think there is a genuine and real lack of comprehension of what the support roles actually means amongst the solo queue. I had a 5v5 game last night playing Karma and had to solo mid lane because no one else would. We ended up losing. Mind you, we had a Caitlyn (who I've been told should ALWAYS takes mid) who proceeded to wander between bot and mid while Sion and I think Gangplank doubled up top.

Yeah, Cait rocks mid, GP can also do mid very well, so in that game, there is no way you should have been regulated to mid

Especially when there were 2 taking top lane and I think only 1 bottom with a jungle somewhere.

While this seems like an asshole thing to do. In situations like that, rather than indulge them and take mid when you know better, just don't say a thing, unless they ask IF you will mid. Then say no. Otherwise, keep quiet and just goto a sidelane.

Way I see it, you're likely to lose anyhow with a team like that, if you take mid or not. By refusing to do mid, you give them two options. One they can MTFU and go take mid like they should have done in the first place, or two they can play with no mid.

Either option works in your favor. With the first you have a chance at perhaps winning the game, with the second, you'll have a quicker game if you get "no surrender" retards.

Blitzcrank on free rotation this week is going to make me sad.

Cactus time for me.  Question is do I try a bot game to learn him or inflict that upon some poor helpless saps.

There is just a very big lack of comprehension in general on many things in solo queue normal.  Last night I ended up laning with a Yi who was being a newb and auto hitting the creeps.   I was doing proper last hitting and he suddenly got mad at me and told me to stop kill stealing.   He said any mob that he'd done 95% of the damage too belonged to him. 

I bought Xin Zhao just in time for him to roll in as a freebie, and now everyone and their dog is playing him. I guess it masks my helpless flailing as I learn to play him, but I'm not feeling special anymore. Had to buy the Dreadlord Nasus skin to compensate. It might also be time to DEMACIAAAA!!! because there's a weird surge of melee champs lately.

Imagine that you are a noob LoL player, and you're unable to get any minion kills because your lane partners keep last-hitting all the minions you're trying to kill. What would an appropriate reaction?

Cry like a little girl?

I just started playing Jax last night and I have to say, I have a rough time last hitting the first 6 levels. If my lane partner is Sivir or some other quick toon then I might as well just stand around.

Though to the above question, I usually try to let my lane partner last hit half-ish of the minions as long as they are actually *trying* to last hit.

Jax is great for that; an empowered swing will let you kill the creeps before Xena can do anything to them. It will slow down your farm a little bit, but you should still get some monies that way. It's also definitely worth picking up gold/5 items in cases like that. It will maike your mid game suck, but you should still be somewhat useful.

I'm 5-1-1 in a ranked game as Udyr, dominating. Score total was like 12-3

Our Lee Sin drops at level 7 and never comes back. We fight it out but lose. 2-1 is bullshit, 3-0 sounds way better :(

Stop auto attacking.  Aka at least try to last hit.  I'm 28 though so he wasn't even a noob.

Other option would be to go jungle. Or just stand back and take the exp.

So I'm Karthus I just lost a game due to a worthless nasus. So being me I decide that next game I will play Nasus, I always roll the champs that I felt been trolling me too much, which in this case I've never had a decent nasus on my team. So I get flat Attack Damage (Marks, Quint) and Attack Speed (Glyphs, Seals) runes and for extra lolz, I decide to jungle(9,0,21 masteries with smite). Now keep in mind these games are ones I don't necessarily intend on winning, I'm more apt to troll my teammates than take the game seriously. Especially with a champ I think sucks anyway.

So enter champ select I see Shaco (who intends on jungling and going AP), Leona, Gangplank, and talon. Me not caring much for shaco jungle decide to declare my jungling intentions (I'm in troll mode) and call it a day as far as chatting is concerned (don't talk much for the rest of the game). Now we face blitz, morg, nid and sivir and I'm not may could go either way but shaco is like champ .5 and i've won games with ap shaco. I start jungling and go into typical nasus mode, which is attempt to farm siphons, doesn't work all that well even with a dorans blade and I come to a epiphany when I finally get to afford sheen... nasus is a really bad ad/tank hybrid. Of course that is the general census and thats why no one good plays him, but even than people still run the ad/tank build because of siphons. But I say screw you dumb fucks, I'm building AP Nasus. After 2 triple kills, 6 killing sprees and going 11/5/13 I march my murder man to there nexus kill all towers and siphon strike the bastard to death. I am convinced that this is the way to play nasus.

I think I'm starting to get the hang of Jax - he's a lot of fun after level 10.
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Fuck, how long was that game? With all that killing and suppression they shouldn't have that much money.

50mins I think? Notice one of our guys died 20 times and another 11 - totally fed a lot of that gold to 'em.

That morgana has the worst item build  :ye_gods:

Okay, so first normal draft game ever.

Somebody asks who's jungling, and I volunteer that I can do Nunu, although I'm sick and have a head cold and haven't played Nunu in forever.

So I ask for a leash on the blue...and it's not a good leash, but anyway, I get executed. Go to golems: stolen. Wraiths/wolves/blue....executed. Also, by this point, kill score is 1-5.

So what else could go wrong? Our Kat is like: "what is this mode?" and somebody says "pro mode", so she quits. 8-21 at this point. I'm sort of panicking and woozy on cold medicine, so I apparently have two dorans, a cloth armor, sheen, and merc treads. Don't ask. None of the answers will make sense.

Somehow, we start clawing back, and then there's a hilarious ace, with three of us hiding in the bush near golems, and one by one, they all come in and get killed. We go investigate a baron, find them all there with about 1500HP, a combination Gragas ult and smite steal that sucker, and it's GG 5 minutes later.

Nashor's Tooth on Morgana.  :ye_gods:

Triforce on Ashe. :uhrr:

I'm gonna be the controversial guy and say that the biggest problem in solo queues is not character choice or builds, but lack of teamwork. A team can feed like crazy and proceed to teamwork their way to victory if epeen is all the other side is interested in. I had one game where me and my lane mate were 2-10-something, and we basically won the game by nuking two untended lanes all the way to inhibitors in five minutes.

I just played a game with Sona where I got the first 3 kills for our team in literally the first 5 minutes of the game and 2 people on the other team rage quit.

Fed Sona, it's over.  :why_so_serious:

The Nashor's is bad, but an Archangel's too with no RoA, Hourglass, or Deathcap items bought at all....

 :ye_gods:

The spirit visage intruiges me though, hmmm.

As Jax, you need to be greedy as fuck. That dude requires some cash to be effective from my experience. That's why I love 0 minion kill support people. They run their 5GP items (and maybe even quints) and just happily sit back and SUPPORT YOUR AD CARRY. Support is the difference between a good team and a bad one. Rambo Taric's that try to get kills (instead of assists) are probably worse for a team than running too many carries.

Yeah, I think people bitching too much can totally kill it too. People rage quit more when being harassed by people. Occasionally, I have convinced a team to just fucking group up and fight. All the sudden, we aren't 3 v 5 anymore and VIOLA! Game turns around.



Another fun ranked game last night, our Morde decides I'm a noob for running Phoenix Udyr. I'm useless blah blah blah. he ends up going like 3/9/9, feeding Nasus up top and almost costing us the game. I quietly tank their entire team enroute to an Ace and go 3/2/11. Best part was he was still bitching about Phoenix Udyr after the game and a guy on the other team gave me and the build props.  3-1 , LEZ GO

On this we agree. Sometimes it's too much teamwork actually. I've seen games won because the other team decides way too early that it's time to say "FUCK THE TURRETS! TEAM GANK AHOY!!!!" and start running around the board getting kills, while shitty players like me solo lane turrets until their entire base is vulnerable. Sure, they come in and focus me to death after I kill one turret and knock the 2nd down to half, but then I switch to the opposite lane and do it again.

I had one of those games at lunch. I tried playing Twisted Fate because I never had... and likely never will again. I can't say I fancied him. We get in and probably 10 minutes in, our Annie starts bitching about how we suck. I ignore it mostly. Apparently, we sucked so hard according to this Annie that she decided she'd be best served by sitting at spawn and berating us for sucking. Oh and every few minutes popping up a surrender vote. I mean it was ridiculous, because even though we did lose (hard not to lose when playing 4v5 and the 5 wasn't a bad team), it took a good 45-50 minutes and we pressed them enough that we killed some inhibitors. That little crotchpheasant got reported for being a douche.

Good god I wish this game didn't have a report function. It seems like every game someone is getting reported for something, I'm pretty sure I had a match where someone got reported for not speaking english.

What about those tribunals?  A lot noise when they were first announced, but nothing since they were released.

So, I've been loving me some Leona lately. I generally build her Tank/CDR, full tank if it's a tough game...and more offensively-minded if we get the upper hand early...
Her early initiation is so powerful - once I hit 3, with a good lane partner people just start dying.

That poor Jax, did his team just wait for him to engage, die, THEN engage themselves? I get alot of teams like that playing him.

Annie is  :hello_kitty_2:  :heart:

Feels like cheating at this level.  My last 3 games have been 8/2/4, 8/2/2 (solo middle against fiddle/ashe), and 10/2/7 (some dude was ganking my last hits).  Usually most creep kills by a lot. Most of my deaths are pure noob stupidity (1 v 3.. DIVE DIVE DIVE).  I died last game and at the same time found out the summoner platform has a turret on it.  Never knew that.

Funny thing with the summoner platform. It used to be diveable. And Rammus and other armor tanks used to be able to tank it without giving a single fuck.

When they first changed it, needless to say, my first dive and subsequent insta death was abit embarrassing.

When you are losing in a bot game...

You can usually drag them up there for a "sure" kill.... Nice way to get a few extra bucks and a few extra minutes.

Actually, have had a couple games where that gave us the time to run up to their base and win.

Had a really good ranked game just now with Janna. Ended in a surrender, our team just worked really well together.
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No raging, communication. Was just great, love it when I get teammates like this.

LoL Replay for those interested. (http://)

Fiddle was a murder machine.

And link to the LoL Replay site in case you aren't using it already. (http://www.leaguereplays.com/)

I just tried AP Soraka in a bot game

Starfall wtf?  :awesome_for_real:

Decided it was time hop back on the Udyrtrain, and played a couple solo ranked games last night...

First game, I was first pick and took Udyr. The rest of the team argued about champ picks, and the last spot we needed some sort of support. FUCK THAT, dude says, and goes Jax. I pretty much considered this a loss before the game started.  We needed a tank so I fired up my Phoenix Udyr runes and masteries and proceeded to carry the team to victory going 13-5-18. The Jax ended up doing fine, and our Kennen was pretty damn good. I was seemingly everywhere that game, at turrets defending and clearing waves when we had a man down, ganking, diving, finishing champs. One of those games when flash just comes up right when you need it, and instead of guys getting away with a C-hair of life I actually land that last shot and retreat from the tower with 50 hp. 

Final item build - Wits End, Randuin's Omen, Merc Treads, Phage, Sunfire Cape, Force of Nature

Next game, I was first pick again and took Udyr. Annie, Kennen, Taric, and some AD champ. I decided we lacked physical damage, and that players may go heavy MR, so I changed into DPS Jungle Tiger Udyr. I wrecked them. Ganks were spot on, ended up having triforce at some ridiculously early mark...and finished 11-3-7. The Taric disconned roughly 10 times that game and we still won convincingly.

Final Item Build - Wriggle's Lantern, Tri-force, Brutalizer, Avarice Blade (making Ghostblade)

I frikkin' love Udyr. You can lane with him. You can jungle with him. You can counter-jungle with him. You can tank with him, you can DPS with him. You can build physical or Magic damage. And on the con side, you can be kited.

5-1 Baby... LEZ GO.

Fought against a fed AP soraka...it was hmmm... unpleasant.

I have to say, getting a kill off (as Trist) when you're in mid versus a duo (!) Teemo/Gragas is pretty darn satisfying.

Follow up notes:
a) Jungle Rammus with Heal/Fortify is the new meta! or....maybe he just kinda sucked.
b) We still perfected them (11-0) anyway.

o.O Heal/Fortify for a jungler? That's dodgable offense.

I take it you're in the master league to legitimize your prissiness?

No, but I'm pretty damn good jungler. Junglers who do not run smite are drastically slowing down their jungling speed and leaving themselves open to having their buffs trivially stolen by the opposing team. I don't care if you are jungling with Nunu or Fiddle. You take smite. With Rammus it is even more offensive. His jungling slows down dramatically after his first couple passes and any changes to his build to make him a better jungler distract from his tank build.

One of Rammus' major flaws as a jungler is that he is very susceptible to being disrupted by counter jungling. Without smite you are both forced to start at blue, and will be hard pressed to recover your jungle if it is stolen.

A fast jungle is also extremely important for Rammus because he's an amazing ganker. The time he wastes dry humping golems could be much better spent bouncing between mid and top smashing faces.

Also unless they changed it in a recent path the fortify buff against creeps doesn't apply to monsters, so that isn't helping his jungle either. The cooldown on heal is long enough that he probably takes more damage from the lack of smite than he gets back from the heal.

A bad jungler greatly reduces a teams chance of winning. I'm going to stick to my original assessment of dodgable.

Yeah, to be honest, I had no idea he was jungling until I saw the cloth/pots buy. I mean, fortify is a pretty bad summoner choice, but I was just excited to have a tank, any tank, in solo queue madness.

But at the point I asked him to cover in mid and I was lvl7 to his lvl3...well, problems.

Also, Boots/Thornmail/Thornmail was his build by the end. The second one is in case the first one goes out of warranty.

Heal/fortify on anybody is a dodgable offense :)

So what ARE good summoner spell choices? I tend to run some combo of heal/ignite/teleport though I used to run smite. Am I missing something I should be taking? And I do realize they are dependent on the type of champ you pick, just not necessarily what's good for the different types.

Once you get flash, always run flash. Otherwise I pick teleport if no one has it or if I think I'll be in a really brutal lane, ignite if I'm playing a faceroll champ like annie or ryze, and exhaust otherwise. As Shen I always take heal since I tend to be ulting on someone because they are in trouble and need all the help they can get. I'll also pick clairvoyance if there isn't anything I desperately need and we don't have one. As a jungler I pretty much always take smite/flash. You aren't dealing with invasions yet at your level, but once you do it is really nice to have a get of jail free card.

Teleport and Clairvoyance are both good options for supports. Clairvoyance is really handy for both self preservation and chasing people down. Clarity has value for some heroes, particularly mana-hungry DPS. Smite is really just for junglers.

flash is pretty much staple escape spell, some people like ghost instead but I tried it several times and its just not same. Exception is on someone like Ashe when you take both

exhaust is good choice if enemy team has many ADs. Ignite is good if they have HP regen/heal champs .Its good on bursty champs in early game

teleport is very good spell if you plane to split lane push or solo lane. Smite is obviously for jungling.


I dont use anything else albeit cleanse seems like it could be useful on some ADs and  clairvoyance/clarity on support

Ghost is very good for takedowns if you're melee.

I would say for newbies: Ghost / Heal.

Because the worst thing you can do is die. If you have a mediocre laning phase and are 0/0, that's not the end of the world. And heal will help you stay there.

Heal sucks late game. But you won't get to the late game if your team is already in disarray, most games are won or lost by 20 in.

Ghost, until you can get flash, is good almost everywhere. You'll use it often for chasing, escaping, whatever.

Now, once you get comfortable at those, you can start substituting in Exhaust (good for any ranged AD character, and every melee character), Teleport (good if you like backdooring towers, or making sure you don't miss a team fight), or Ignite (good for early kills).

Exhaust is hilarious when someone tries to towerdive you.

For a melee on the offensive I want to say I prefer ghost to flash because of the duration. However ghost/flash is a good overall combo too but ghost allows you to stick to a target in a way flash doesn't.

I am really terrible at using flash  :awesome_for_real:

Flash makes me do reckless things.

I really wish flash would leave the game. And heal, too.

Always flash, unless you have some amazing super-pro strategy that says otherwise.

If you are jungling smite.

One person on team should have clairvoyance. You'd be amazed how many deaths you can save by CVing a bush and finding a guy waiting to gank in it, especially on teams that don't ward a lot. One person having Fortify is not a terrible idea but also not necessary.

Exhaust is really good against melee AD attackers, as the attack speed slow hurts them a lot as does the movement speed slow. (Can't hit you if they can't catch you) Against a team that has someone like Tryndamere or Xin you really want an exhaust. Ignite is good for anyone offense-minded and often makes the difference between getting an early kill and just missing it.

Teleport is good if you have a strategy that can make use of it. For example if you are going to farm top and your teammates are going to drop wards during fights so you can teleport to them and join them. Or if you are good ganker and will teleport to hidden wards to gank or something like that. I would generally only take it if I had a plan for how I was going to use it.

Heal/clarity are not often used once you stop being a beginner, and are generally a good indicator that someone new. Late game stuff like exhaust and ignite are still very effective while heal/clarity are not, especially heal.

There are a few champion specific strategies that can work, like revive or clarity on Karthus, ghost or cleanse on nasus, etc.

Yeah, I'd like to say, my ghost rec is only based on newbies not having flash.

I don't know, I don't run flash on my morgana (Teleport/Ignite). I just always feel like I rarely get into situations where I care enough to flash out. I know flash in/ult is worth something, but I'm not sure it's worth the be anywhere virtue.

I'm really surprised they haven't taken the DOTA approach: flash only works when you're out of combat for 3 seconds. Good on offense, sucks on defense. That gives a nice role to ghost as the versatile mobility spell.

I'm also kind of surprised, with the way they tweak champions pretty much every 2-3 weeks, that they haven't bothered to worry about about the obviously useless summoner spells like Rally and such.

God, Morgana without Flash is totally gimping her.

1) E on self
2) Flash into middle of team fight
3) Ult
4) Click Zhonya's
5) Profit

*If you don't have Zhonya's, you can drop a pool/snare while your ult is channeling.

Fiddle without flash, Galio without flash etc...  :ye_gods:

I don't usually run flash on Taric.

But otherwise, ya.

I never run Flash on Kog'Maw, run ghost and mobility boots on him instead. He is so damn squishy, I found that if you find yourself in a situation where you need to flash out, you're likely dead anyhow. Ghost comes in more handy for mobility purposes and farming up lanes fast.

I do Exhaust/Smite on Trundle when I'm jungling. I rarely need Flash defensively since his kit is amazing for escapes, and Exhaust facilitates ganks so much better since it lets both you and your teammate get extra hits in.

Otherwise, I never leave Flash at home.

Alright, alright, I accept defeat. So Flash/Ignite?

So, insta-lock Yi. I should really queue dodge, right? But I flick through my usual suspects (Amumu/Ali/Trist/Morg/Brand), and somebody's like "mumu if you're jungling".  I ask for a leash, they're fine with that, so it's on. Ori on top, Kog'Maw mid, Trynd/Yi bot.

Except Yi dies before the 1 minute mark. And then before 2 minutes, there's a double kill on the bottom lane. And you know what, we remain totally quiet about it.

So, you know, the jungle is going fine, it's always nice to roam both jungles uncontested, I get off a gank or two, and bottom lane is feeding central. The three of us who aren't running around with swords actually get a 3 for 0 a team fight in mid. And then another.

So it's at the point where our two AD carries are 1/20 total, we're losing the kill battle by 10, we've taken 0 turrets, but the other team takes a surrender vote. And then we mop them up once more, and then it's GG.

Another lesson in not spending your time yapping at each other, and just playing on.

When you put yi AND tryndemere bot and your suppose stfu because there is no way they won't feed.

You know, they were up against a gangplank/udyr lane, so actually, they should have been able to hold that fine. You know, maybe that's not the best lane composition, but if somebody in this low level stuff says they can do solo top 1v2, I kind of want that person solo top.

Played a ranked game last night as Morgana mid went 14-4 ending with full stack Mejai, Deathcap, RoA, Hourglass, Boots.

Oh yeah, we also lost that game.

I hate Mejai's because it is such a risky item to buy on Morgana. Seems like every time I decide to buy it after having a game where it would have made me faceroll, I get in a game where there are few kills and I am never near any of them.

For it to be truly effective you need to buy it early, but if you don't get and keep 10+ stacks on it late game it ends up being 1400g that would have been better spent. But I tend to be more of an assist getting type than a kill getting type.

Mejais seems like a "win more" item in that it's mostly good in games you were already going to win. If you are able to get a bunch of kills and assists without dying much you'll be higher level and have more money than the other team probably and be well on your way to winning. A good start already helps you so much I don't want an item that turns a good start into an even better one, I want an item that can help me recover from a mediocre one.

For Morg I honestly have more luck just buying boots and 3 Doran's rings before moving on to anything else.  I try to play other heroes though because if I play her constantly it's just faceroll over and over.   At my skill level nobody really understands how to deny her farming.

I just looked at the enemy list and cringed. I knew we were going to get face-rolled. Especially when we our Malzahar was afk the first 4 minutes.

I was top with Ashe, and we whittled down Tryndamere and Teemo then I jumped out of the bushes and somehow got a double kill, while Teemo's poison got me.

Once I got back up, Ashe and I took them out a couple more times, I might have died again to Teemo's poison. Then Akali started rolling kills. So we went and shut her down. After that it was a few traded team fights, then we took out two towers while most of the team was dead and they surrendered.  I really need to work on getting more creep kills as a melee. It's darn tough against range.

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1870260/riven.jpg)

Just won a ranked game singlehandedly as Singed. They rolled my 4 teammates and were headed to baron to really fuck us. I predict the move, arrive there with about 1/3 baron health left, run into the entire 5 ma,n poisoning, and i waited till the tiniest silver of health to fling Nashor.

+300 G!

I die. My 4 teammates get baron. HUGE game swing. WOO

Man, I had a weird game today where this Gangplank (and obvious smurf) was giving me a ton of shit.  He said something every time he got a kill on me or even when someone else did.  I was 15/5/3 and solo pushed mid past an Annie (with others thrown in at times) to the point where I had downed the inhibitor without a soul around me.  The Annie was getting tooled so bad they had a Mordkaiser stand in as punching dummy as she tried to gank other lanes.

Gangplank: "hey cait, where you think you're going"
me: "your base, mostly"

He got me 3 times but not before I was solo pushing the towers near the nexus. Most of his kills were of the team variety as well (fing Taric).  Still.. yap yap yap.  

Gangplank in top: "You're only winning because my stupid team fed you".. as I calmly solo down the Nexus, while he's still in top trying to kill the Cho'gal that led off the game with "ok, guys, tell me what to do, first game".  

Next game was almost as weird.   Game had 4 guys that had queued together and  I think were just on lower level chars.  All Brazilians. Told me to go mid.  Good players and that was a good thing because the Morgana in mid (solo) was pretty damn tough.  8/1/13 and got some good shots off.  Trap is a godsend, but I need to get better as escapes in general.

2nd game seems odd due to the lack of creeps you killed.

Ended up in a dominion game with a Riot staff member last night, as well as one with one of the Epik Gaming guys who was streaming at the time.

Still bad at last hitting and first time v morg.  Last half of the game seemed to be mostly team fights in my lane.

First win without a death!


Their Brand really wasn't very good, and once I got ahead it was easy. I think they had a pretty rubbish team overall.

Had a fun game playing AP Soraka in Mid too

That Cho'Gath couldn't maintain 1 cs per minute.  :ye_gods:

One trick is to take out the back ones first.

I love Leona. I think I went something like 13 and 4 with her today.


I think that game started with my and GP v Mord and Rammus...they got absolutely schooled at every opportunity.

I could be doing it wrong but I never find last hitting with morg in the early game to be very game changing. it helps for sure but as soon as your circle is rank 3 you can kill an entire wave of creeps by placing it in the center and will get last hit on all of them.

If you do that though you will push your lane more than is probably healthy if they have a decent jungler.

Normally the case but morg is very hard to gank like that.

Maybe with your summoners up, but even she isn't immortal.

Can't be CCed + flash makes it pretty tough.

They can bait you into using it, or even break it beforehand by just using magic damage.

Having flash means that summoner's are up. I frequently harass top to force them to blow their escape spelss, run off to do golems, and then come back for the real gank. It's pretty rare that I don't get a kill as long as my teammate knows what the buttons do.

Wards in the river weeds are your friend mid-lane as Morgana if they have a jungler (or people who roam a lot).

I had fun using Poppy last night, never played with such burst before. The downside is that in lvl14 solo queues you're 99% sure to die in every major engagement.
 

Morgana is supposed to take mid. She is literally the hardest hero to gank unless she stands there to let you pop her black shield. To make things worse, most junglers lack the magic damage to pop her black shield, she can just walk back to the safety of her turret. And Morgana doesn't need to play hyper aggressive, she can just lay down soils and sit back. Not saying she can't be ganked, but the effort required dwarfs nearly other hero in the game.

So, I've got a thing to get to at 8, but it's like 6:40, and I want to make dinner. Totally time for a Dominion game in there.

Might as well play Teemo for the first time too, hear he's good. Then everything loads up....why are there three lanes? Why do I only have 475 gold? Noooooo.

But it might go quick? And when my lane mate Xin facechecks a bush before I ever arrive to lane (I'm busy frantically looking up guides), and finds Akali and Rammus, and then facechecks the bush again, just to make sure that they're still there and kill him a second time, it's looking good. A third death by Xin before 5 minutes and everything is perfect.

But then we manage to drag the game out. Akali just steamrolls us early, but our Cait is rolling over their Teemo, and I'm managing to farm it up while Xin runs around. But time keeps on ticking, and ticking, and it's 30 minutes, then 40 minutes, and we get a Baron, but can't really push it into anything, and then push to their inhib, but they push all the way back, and I'm trying to get everybody to just make a glorious charge of the light brigade down mid, but nooo, doesn't happen. I basically rush their base and redown their inhib, and die. I'm doing pretty mediocre on Teemo, something like 6/7/12.

And really, at this point, I either have to miss the thing at 8, or just AFK, which would suck, so I decide it's time to just go out in a blaze of glory. There's a skirmish in mid while I'm still down that goes 2-1 for them, but I just hit my ghost, move quick, yell TEEEEMO and charge down mid, and pick up two stragglers, then a third near their base, and we punch their nexus in the face, and I'm already out the door before the game even ends.

Also, unless you make your move just as Morgana is making a push on your mid champ, she'll probably have her nuke available to aid escaping. You can farm mid at a decent pace just using Soil and autoattacks, saving nukes for escapes or to poke at the enemy.

Soil is expensive. If you can force Morgana to farm with soil and also to use shield from time to time she will be low on mana. To kill someone she needs to ult, binding and soil, which costs a lot of mana, which she often won't have if you are playing against her correctly.

Also most Morganas will shield as soon as there is a whiff of threat, rather than when that threat is incoming, which means you can often just wait it out. Maybe not so much for ganks but to just grind her down over time.

It is pretty had to get a kill on Morg but it's also very hard for her to kill anyone or convincingly win her lane. She does no real damage in lane without her ult, especially if you can dodge Q and or stay behind minions.

As Cass mid I go from breaking even vs. Morg to dominating, rarely losing. I put a bunch of damage on her and she puts very little on me, if she shields I just wait for it to go on CD then damage her. It helps that my spells are cheap and I'm a DPS mage more than one-and-done. I can usually force her to spam soil just to keep her health up, which means she doesn't have the mana for a full combo and no real chance to kill me. Also I dodge Q like a boss.

Lunchtime bitchy fun! Got in a game of Summoner's, picked Alistair. I'm still new with him and with the whole concept of tankyness, but I've been getting a bit better in general lately. Started in bot with a Tristana against a Garen and another Alistair. We push pretty good, even managing to get multiple kills on Garen and one or two on Allistair before the first turret goes. As a matter of fact, we cleared the first 2 turrets on bottom before anyone else even pushed any further. At this point, team fights start breaking out, and there's a lot of back and forth along the mid. Finally, me and the Veigar see that the entire opposing team is pushing mid, so the two of us push that bot again. The Jungling Yi starts bitching at us, then starts bitching at me in broken Net speak because I'm dying so much. Now, I'll admit, I died a fuckload in this game. In fact, I was 0/17 at the end, BUT I ended up with 13 assists. I think the Yi was 7/6/7 but was bitching at me because of all my deaths. It seemed like most team fights that were not 4 or 5 of us hammering on 1-2, I would be left behind and focused to death.

I didn't expect a lot of kills, and I die a lot more than more competent players. But shouldn't the fact that I got 13 assists mitigate that? Oh and we won, thanks in part to the whole team diving through the center turrets and inhibitors. My creep score was also terrible (47) but I think part of that was Tristana getting a lot of those.

That seems like a fair amount of dirt to be eating as Alistair.   Yi's tend to bitch.  Only champ that draws a douchier player base at this (lower) level seems to be Trynd.

Oh I don't doubt I was dying more than I should. Most of my deaths also tended to be 2 and 3 v 1, while I watched my (apparently smarter) teammates run the fuck the other way.

I tend to play like a coward.  It works out for me.  Of course, this means letting my overly-ballsy teammates die at times, which I probably shouldn't do.  

Some people just love to engage against really crappy odds and in really bad situations.  Always ends up the same for them too.  Rambo never makes it out alive.  Sometimes I feel bad and eat a death because I'm trying to CC the rampaging deathball that's plowing through my entire team.

If your tank is dying but your team is winning the team fights then it is all gravy.

If your tank dies and you end up not getting a kill advantage then it becomes an issue.

Ok honestly 0/17/13 is pretty horrible score. In fact I havent see anyone that bad (but then again I been level 30 for a while). CS=47 is also something I see only on dedicated supports in ranked games only. In generally dying is never worth it  unless a) you kill tower b) you steal baron c) your team gets an ace,  tanks are not really expected to carry but keeping the number of deaths down is still very important.  Assists could be misleading so hard to tell here but generally good tank has 80%+ of all his team total kills in assists

Tanks are supposed to be the first to die, as long as your deaths are worthwhile.

MadMax, give the newer people a break. You may be HotShotGG caliber in your own mind but a lot of the people you are belittling have not even played 100 games yet.

I still have problems remembering where the buffs are for each side.  :awesome_for_real:

There is a mental gap between having fun when you first start playing (diving in, kicking ass) and having fun because you are playing smart.

It takes awhile before you learn that playing like a pussy makes the moment taste like shit, but the entire game taste better.  For some of the guys that I played with, that's a three month gap.   (some will just never bridge that gap)

At some point after that, you start to get a better sense of when you can be more aggressive and when you can't.

Wasnt trying to be a dick .  One of the first things which improved my game was understanding that dying is  not worth it most of the time and tactical cowardly retreat is better than heroic death

Part of that shift in mindset is also realizing which characters will make it easier for you to be effective while erring on the side of caution. An overly-conservative Alistair could end up being nearly-useless to a team, whereas a conservative Ashe or Janna or Kog'maw will still be able to contribute, even if they miss opportunities to initiate or be effectively-aggressive because they are still training the 'don't die!' reflex that others have internalized.

It's true, though, when I watch streams of some of the better players I often find myself going 'why aren't you fighting? There's a fight right over there, why aren't you going there?!' while they sit and farm, seemingly oblivious but in-fact having just decided that it wasn't a fight worth getting involved in.

Of course the enormous gray-area in when it is and is not a good idea to engage in a fight means that this is by far the thing that players will most often disagree about -- especially since everyone is at a different point on the learning curve, and also because people are trying to over-correct in both directions simultaneously.

Hyper conservatism is the reason why I don't get all jizzy about LoL as esports or hyper interested in playing the game at higher tiers. Maybe some team will figure out how to punish all the lazy players, but for now even watching a competitive LoL match with all the hyper ventilating commentary is the easiest way to go to sleep.

What Mad_Max said, but I'll be nicer about it - especially as Alistar, who has decent sustain and CC and HP, you should not be dying like this. Especially when part of your job is to go in first, you really need to watch where and when you engage. Try to force the opponent team to make the first mistake, then try to punish them ruthlessly for it.

Remember - Discretion is the better part of Valor.

EDIT: Watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVg6fmiICdI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVg6fmiICdI) - do you really want to disappoint her with your feeding? Also, she helped me realize that trading kills is really stupid if it can be avoided.

Here's the thing. I know I suck, and part of that is the fact that I'm naturally aggressive in games. I came to play and to me play means fight and fight means RRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGG!!! Tempering that is difficult. 13 assists tells me that yes, I died too much, but I was helping. No one in the game got more assists, no one on our team got more than 8 or 9 kills, and we still won the game. I was more concerned with my low creep score than my high deaths or no kills.

I also initiated a good bit - which is part of why I died so goddamn many times. I initiate with 2 other teammates around me, within 20 seconds I'm dead and my teammates aren't in view. It doesn't help to initiate if your team is hightailing it the other way.

Well, yeah there's that problem - passive teams that don't want to fight.

I'm super aggressive too, as if my Bloodbowl play wasn't indication enough. Just follow 3 simple rules -

1. Don't Die
2. Kill Creeps
3. Goto 1

So I just play a Dominion game.

Sivir and Garen apparently were real life friends.

Sivir is not paying attention to anything the whole team says at the beginning which pretty much was "Garen goes to the lower point, everyone else top".

Sivir proceeds to follow Garen bottom, then spend the next 2 minutes talking about some bitch they both know he was "talking on the phone for an hour" with just now. Literally neither one of them are paying attention to shit while me (on Rammus), Ashe, and Jarvan are busy trying to defend the other two points while those two chucklefucks can't even keep one turret alone against Malzahar. Game proceeds with them capturing and keeping 4 points pretty much non-stop.

And I finish the game dead last because I spend the whole time dying to defend points we do have 3v1.

I got paired (as Gangplank) with the same Trist, (who was pretty good) and we just obliterated in two straight games.  Both times I got put up top against people that thought it'd be a good idea to keep eating a face full of Parrrley and tower dive.  The Trist pretty much had middle locked down the entire time.

10/0/8 and 14/0/10.  Both games didn't make it past 30 minutes.  The Trist only died 4 times between both games as well, and she had a Xin all over her first game.  

Plank is a little nuts though.  He's already been nerfed right?  :why_so_serious:

You add that Trist as a friend? Duo queuing is great because you know at least 1 person won't be horrible :)

Lost four games in a row on dominion last night, mostly due to teammates who ignore objectives, tower dive 3+ people etc... Had a yi who while i was trying to recap a point chase an ashe and then subsequently die to someone else. Had people just cap point and then rush of to die one by one to the team of people coming to recap. Hold 3 and wait doesn't jive with most players it seems.

It definitely doesn't. I think the most apt analogy I've heard is it's like watching 7 year olds chase a football around a pitch.

I seem to be having a run of games where simply terrible players are present.

First example: Enemy Soraka rushes Archangels Staff and then bets basic boots and starts spamming /all abut how they only have 1K health and it's not fair. They then vendor their stuff and start building Rabadons, spending quite a lot of time dead in between. They then vendor everything and well.... you can see.


Second example: I get teamed up with this group, which includes a Teemo who just won't stop dying. The enemy Teemo DCs for about 20mins and even though we are 5v4, our Teemo and MF keep running off solo and getting ganked. Fortunately Myself, WW and Yi are pretty competent, and manage to hold things together as a pack of three. Teemo seems to have some obsession with the bottom lane, and just runs off to overextend himself. Even with the three of us yelling at him not to go alone, to fall back the guy just does nothing. Probably had us on ignore by that point. At one stage he had both Mejai's and Blade of the Occult, and was building something with a Giant's Belt. He traded his Mejai's in for Warmogs by the end of the game though. Somehow, even when we made it back to 5v5, the three of us who were competent managed to push one inhibitor, then Yi got two aces and we got the other inhibitors down, then it was gg. Bizarre game.

I check the Teemo afterwards. He is level 10 with only 2 wins; our MF was level 13 with only 3 wins... What the hell? Are these people only playing Bot games and losing or something?

A lot of people don't play vs people when they first start. The wins only show for normal games, so you may have gotten two people who have maybe played 20 games in Normal between them.

So I just dodged a queue simply due to knowing that my team were going to be douchebags.

I pick Lux and the Soraka says "If you are as bad as the last Lux I had, don't play".

So I tell him to fuck off and him and the MF say "Oh you must be a bad lux" "bad lux want mid?".


Makes me want to not even play the game at all anymore.

I'd pay 30$ to not have to Queue with these people.

I lost 8 in a  row in dominion and I needed a win before heading to bed. I started dodging and somehow it didnt do any time penalty all 2 times I dropped  ( I did it in last possible second). I wonder if its a dominion or just general glitch , it would be sweet to dodge ranked with no penalties!

It's a Dominion glitch. They're working on it.

Goddammit

Draft mode blows - one afk dude ruins it for everyone for hours.

Seriously, I think lol may make me start using ethnic slurs.  Seriously, roa is not a bad item for chogall

So far I've been playing mostly dominion, but I haven't had too many bad stories yet.   Occasionally someone just totally loses their shit though.  But luckily as a Starcraft 2 player, I'm well versed in BM already  :why_so_serious:

Ok, so, Akali. She's become a staple in just about every game, and she's pretty much unstoppable in most. Does she actually have a weakness one could exploit? In Summoner's Rift that is, in Dominion it's like don't take a team without Rammus and Akali because you'll lose.

You play draft and always ban her, only counter I'm currently aware of.  :uhrr:  If you're on Summoner's Rift and she gets a few early kills in her lane, you already lost the match.

Buy wards.

And then Oracle's.

I countered her last night with Phoenix Udyr and a sunfire cape. Go ahead, bitch...stay in your circle :)

Too bad we lost that ranked game, even though we were up kills by like 15. Our last guy took Annie when we already had a Ryze, instead of support. I went 6-6-23 I think....

Pink ward owns Akali. Just carry one with you and drop it when she activates bubble.

The only problem with this is that chances are 99% your teammates won't do this and will feed her.

Today is a first for me, I was berated by someone for playing a good game.

Game starts with me and yorick vs. a morgana. We both play well and manage to kill her a few times before taking out her turret. Their jungler tried to interfere but ended up beign driven away by our yorick predicting his intervention. We take down the tower early. and move in a bit to pressure the next tower. Seeing a few mias on screen, I start to play defensely and back off, sure enough I catch a quick glimpse of alistar hulking his way in (with morgana coming back to top) so naturally I get the hell out of there... But yorick gets caught. I try to cover his escape with *Make it Rain* but he gets rooted and punched back notheless. He blames me for not fighting them "your ult was up and everything wtf" "so bad". (I'm 4 / 1 at this point) I said nothing and continued the game.

I continue to play well;

I farm some minions in mid lane while our mid is back healing and a fight mid ensues. Yorick is fighting warwick close to our downed turret, so I move in a bit to help; I activate my attack speed steroid skill and pick up the quick kill on warwick. He complains that I Ksed him and that "all MF do is KS MF dont even do any damage". Bear in mind Im quite fed now and I'm doing a very good amount of damage, at which point I simply say "Ok, how about this. Lets take a look at the damage charts at the end of the game to see who did the more damage". No reply was had and we continue.

Game drags on, our team lacks a tank and our only two tanky champion didn't really build very tanky at all, we pushed back, after severely damaging Alistar after garen gets caught by a alistar combo, alistar flees and Warwick makes a mad dash for me, his ult is down, my strut is up and I start running like hell to our turret, with yorick chipping away at him. WW flashes to get the quick kill but I flash myself, allowing the turret + yorick to get a kill. Its oddly silent.

We manage to kill a few of their enemy team by blue so we make a move for baron. Morgana pops up to ult everyone but I run to break her ult, start attacking her forcing her to use her zhonya's. After waiting a moment I activate my ult directly on top of her, forcing her to flash away with a slither of health, and forcing the two bush dwelling guys waiting to ponce on us away.

One inhib is down so we're forced back to base to clear it when garen is caught on the other side of the map and gets killed. Yorick bitches about how bad everyone else is.

Bringing this rambling story to a close, towards the end of the game I get a quadra kill by ulting a cluster of the enemy team from behind a wall, Im forced back to base to clear it out; their team makes a final charge to win and yorick lets out one last sob about how bad his team was. Oh well, let's take a look at the final stats.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Blade111/Retard1.png)

I didnt die a whole lot, I played smart. I was berated for "running too much" when being charged by a warwick and/or alistar.

and lets take a look at the final damage done.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Blade111/Retard2.png)

He left before I could tell him, but he probably knew already.

Man, people sure love to initiate team fights with really crappy odds.  Is there something I'm missing or should I just keep letting these fools die?  Granted, I'd say the weakest part of my game is team fights.  I'm still a bit lost in them.

Funny thing tonight, my team just won up a big tussle in the middle (3 enemies down to none for us), and were in pursuit but were not going to catch the rest.  The Kat and (I think) Veigar were hightailing it out of there.  For shits and giggles I "Ace in the Hole" Kat as she flees into her base, dropping her from full to half.  I can guess she considered this rude because just a moment later:

(All) Kat: F U

And they promptly surrender.  I was cracking up.  The Garen on my team and Kat swear at each other until the game finishes.  It was a fairly close game in regards to deaths, but every turret was pushed to their base and they hadn't downed one of ours yet.  Probably would have been fun to drag that one out another 15 minutes.

iirc, you get more IP the more towers you knock down

I thought IP was purely time-based?

Purely time based.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Influence_Points

I had one of the worst Trynd's in a game of SR last night. Now, as I've said before, I'm a bad player. So when I say someone was REALLY FUCKING BAD, I mean it. I'm playing Morgana and the Trynd and I take bot against a Riven and Mondo combo. I'm often horrible about pushing too far and feeding early. He, however, had fed like 2 or 3 deaths before my first. He starts to claim he's lagging and claims that through the whole game. At one point he says that "I'm lagging because I have Skype up" to which I respond "So turn off Skype then?" After 3 or 4 deaths down bot, he says "I have to jungle" and proceeds to fuck off all over the map, leaving me double teamed down bottom. I somehow manage to mostly hold it without too many deaths, and by the time I'm level 12, I look up and he's only level 9 and still "jungling" which seems to amount to him running all over the board trying to start team fights and fucking dying. Of course we lost, and my K/D/A ratio wasn't good. It's refreshing to see players that are SO much worse than me.

Certain champions just attract really terrible players and Trynd is probably at the top of that list.

Neg, Shaco is #1.

No yi

Yi is a close 2nd.
It used to be Twitch by a mile.

Yeah, after saying Shaco #1 between two games last night we get an AP, not jungle Shaco who was amazing and carried the game.  Followed by a jungle Yi who was...well jungle Yi and an useless idiot.  :uhrr:  So maybe #1 is Yi.

I completely disagree. It's whomever I'm grouped with in a dominion game.

Shaco has been gaining popularity as his ability to be annoying fuckwad is being discovered by more and more people.

That's how he won the game too.  He wasn't in his lane dominating, he was almost in constant roam screwing with everyone.  He screwed with their jungler, helped us win lanes we probably would of lost otherwise.  Pretty much just roamed and messed up everyone to the point that they all terribly lost their lanes against us.

its triple annoying on dominion.

Shaco got some play on livestreams recently.

Generally when a champion becomes popular out of the blue that is why.

That would explain all of the Akalis everywhere.

Well she is arguably the best character in the game right now...if Akali is good and gets a few early kills, you lose.

Had my first real terrible experience in a game today.  A bunch of teenagers calling each other fags and niggers.  I shouldn't just ignored them all, but I tried to calm everyone down, eventually the entire game (both teams) turned on ME for trying to be reasonable, telling me to go play Chess if I couldn't handle it or something.  Seriously considered uninstalling the game on the spot.  Cooler heads prevailed, but I'm going to simply /ignore at the first sign of ANYTHING shady from now on.

I think I'm currently about to go into my second 4v5 ranked in a row and I understand this thought completely.  I actually have uninstalled a few times but it usually lasts less than a week, I'm such an addict.

There are some times when you can actually calm a team down that's getting ready to be all snipey at each other and get people steady. I don't mind doing that.

But if somebody starts being homophobic or racist or sexist, it's just instant ignore, and I silently report at the end of the game.  So much saner.

A good rule of thumb is to just not talk. At all. Unless your team is reasonable.

Dude, I feel you. I think I'm about done with ranked.

I am pretty close to done with the game. I can't even bring myself to play a dominion game most the times I log in. Solo-queue SR is just out as the last 5-6 games I have played have been full of the normal asshats and I am tired of their shit.

I find that unless you like winding the little douchebags up, this is the best option. Because there are some real cockgobbling shitbags in this game, and they never listen.

Had a fun game of dominion over the weekend. The final score to that game was us victorious with 2 points remaining so ended 2-0. That was both the longest and the closest dominion game I have played.

Honestly I was pretty sure we were going to lose it was like us 9 them 107 at one point but we got a lucky ace and capped a shit load of nodes and defended like crazy.

To be honest, the community aspects haven't gotten to me very much yet.  I haven't put a single person on ignore yet, and I think I've only reported a few people (mostly for afking once it looks like a loss).  The difficult parts are that I play late and night and tend to get a lot of Spanish and Chinese players.  A lot of the Spanish players think they're very good when they just aren't.   This one Teemo died 17 times in a 30 minute game.  It wasn't a blow out, but him and the Spanish Alistair were just wandering the map alone and we surrendered because there was no way we were going to win with that idiot combo feeding them.

I've had some fun games lately as Cho'gath.  There's nothing better than walking in front of your team with 6 stacks of Feast, daring the other team to initiate.  In one 55 minute game, I had a line of 3/1/17, but I think my greatest achievement was just the pure intimidation factor.  They had won a team fight at one point and were looking to press, but I was able to keep them from taking a tower 4 on 1, basically by just being big and scary.

Had a moment in that game where I was holding bot v. a Morg and Riven (a Kat/Janna combo wanted top) and an Ezrael jumped out of the grass at me.  Threw one skill shot at me and then joined the lane to farm it?

(me) Worst gank ever.  
(Morg) LOL
(Ez) Who said I was trying to gank?
(me) The bushes?

After that, to show him how it's done, landed a Q/W combo on a character at top and on him a little later in mid, both resulting in their deaths.

edit: Toward the end they tried a baron.  I had told the Janna to keep him warded because that was the only way they were going to win.  I start pressing down middle, don't see any of them, don't see the Baron ward so I high tail it over there.  Sure enough, they're doing Baron and he's at about 33%.  I flash into the middle of it and start laying down the Rupture and silences and in the process steal the Baron kill.  Team arrives and mops up.  Game over.

FYI, those players are actually horrible Brazilians, not Spanish.

But yeah...they mostly suck. And talk tons of trash.

So I get in a dominion solo queue, I see my team comp and think "this should be a cakewalk":

Rammus, Shaco, Garen, Teemo, Jax

other team:

Jax, Akali, Mordekaiser, Katarina, Leona


Our shaco when I ask him if he is going bot says "I would probably be better top". He plays bad bad, I keep dying because I go in and initiate on 2 when I see Jax and Shaco near me heading the same way.....they both run, like 5 times. We proceed to get steamrolled for 15 minutes and I look at the items people are building. Shaco built pretty much pure AD. On dominion. Where AP Shaco is fuckdickulous.

Somehow we claw back and actually win. I think because they started focusing me even when I didn't taunt because I kept falling over dead at the beginning, not thinking about the fact that I had a sunfire cape and a thornmail at that point. And their Leona and Akali were the only ones that seemed to care about map control near the end, had a lot of 3v1 Morde/Jax/Kat attacking me in the jungle.

Holy shit Singed is fun.  You can make fuckers RAGE.

"Hey, that stuff coming out of my butt? It aint candy."

I just run around the whole match being annoying.  Caitlyn prepping Ace? FLING!

edit:

Second game, funnier than the first. New favorite champ..

Shoulda gone with boots of swiftness, son!

And your team won with a Tiamat?

That nasus has an unusual build.

Merc treads are THE boots for Singed, IMO. Swiftness are acceptable, but Singed REALLY needs the CC reduction since his nerf (and hell, I used them most the time anyway before the nerf).

My Standard top solo build is  - Regrowth Pendant , 1 health pot. Rush RoA. Build FoN. Rylai's...whateva! I'm sure it would work fine with a partner, though I probably would start mana crystal and 2 health pots to help rush RoA more.


Best trick for singed is the double goo. Catch a runner with the goo pile, run up and fling him back into it for a double slow and certain death.

I'm bummed the amount he gets banned now in draft, as I have played him forever :(

That just means everybody's scared of you! The secret's out.

Every time I see someone chasing a singed I think of that trololololo song.

I like merc treads.  There gets to be a point in the game where you're not tanky enough yet and they just start heaving the CC on you.  Luckily Insanity potion has a fairly short cooldown.  Seems to be up most times when I need it.   Actually, they never really stop trying to CC and chase you.  Purple poop is addictive.

I started off Mana Crystal + 2 pots.  Buy reg boots and rush RoA.  Then Rylai's.  Merc boots (got these too late, IMO). Then tanky build depending on what I'm facing.  This seemed to work pretty well.  Easy enough to adjust and move the Rylai's later, but that slow is really nice.

Insanity potion + ghost = LOOOOOOL. 

It's too bad that he's free this week.  People may snag him before I do.

RoA and FoN are pretty much core items IMO.  FoN's speed boost and health regen are amazing on Singed.

Some people like Rylai's more but I find I have an AOE slow already, so additional slowing is nice but not as necessary as speed and regen.

If you aren't, make sure you are at least going far enough into defense for strength of spirit (I think it it). Amazing mastery for him. I run a 0/7/23 build.

If I were level 15, I would probably run 0/0/15 for the movement speed. Or go 0/7/8

Singed is even more fun when you run 3 Movespeed quints on him.

Had the oddest game last night. Everyone was awesome on my team. We went 80 to 8. Everyone had at least 10 kills and no one had more than three deaths.

Played a Dominion game this morning where my team lost pretty much solely because my team was all AD and they had a Taric + Rammus who built all armor (and both had a thornmail). Their team also had an Akali and Yorick which meant I could not do the same "lol try to kill me" all armor Rammus build.

My team built all AD, no AP at all. Irelia, Olaf, Udyr, Teemo. And the udyr kept saying "taunt is OP" when he would die to Rammus with his pure armor+thornmail build.

Chimpy the only person who could build AP was teemo...
Anyway losing at champ select is always fun. As far your not stacking armor, yorick has one ap scaling skill and does physical damage.... only akali should hurt and it doens't take "that" much mr to make akali damage drop to shit. My guess is your team was skirmishing at every opportunity and did jack squat to the nodes, especially your teemo.

To be fair crit AD can actually work even vs armored teams(maybe not vs rammus). I had SR game on my GP vs heavy bruisers team with malphite as  a tank who went all 9 yards physical defence with thornmail and randuins. I had critplank with the arp axe  on top of it. I was dismantling that malphite relatively reliably   ( though we still lost, as our xin was 1/15, akali 5/12 and our rammus was useless)

How did you not win the game far before you got to 80 kills?

I really hate it when I'm on a team where we kill 3 of them then instead of taking towers my team spends the next 30 seconds trying to chase down the remaining 2. Those are the kind of games that drag on forever and the other team sometimes comes back to win.

I think he meant Dominion score.

Sounds like the strangest SR game to me, actually.

Oh come on, the strangest SR game was the one where everyone on our team had double digit deaths. And I think we somehow managed to pull that one off too.

I'm not sure if the Kat on my team tonight was like 12 or just trolling the shit out of us.  First time we lost a team fight, she even popped a surrender vote.  We were up 30/20 at the time and got them to surrender about 5 minutes later.  It was always crap like "WHY NO HELP MID SINGED. GOGOGO", while I'm downing a tower solo top. Just random shit from her all game long.  In all caps and often repeated 3-4 times for effect.   She was pretty much running around initiating really bad fights all game.  I got pissed off enough I flung the enemy Yi right on top of her.  (I had a few pro flings tonight, but most were shit.  I keep fat fingering my e.)

The Udyr in the game was laughable.  I'm unsure if anyone jungling at this play level is anything other than a novelty.  They're never effective, unless it's some smurf Fiddle that gets fed early.

In my first game of the night, we had a Yi that decided he was team captain.  You can imagine how that went. Nothing like losing a team fight after getting Baron because your Kayle is afk farming and your Yi tower dives 5 people.

It's time!


 :awesome_for_real:

Boots of switfness are nice but merc treads are nice for just ulting and loling in and around the opponents who are now helpless to stop you or even slow you down.

Hmm, seems like the community gets worse the higher level I go...

Also, my god the AFKing!  I like Summoner's Rift a lot more than I did when I first started, but it feels like a huge risk to play it because I would say more than 1/2 my games since this past weekend have had a DC or AFK on one of the sides, which really ruins it.

Riot really needs to add a mechanism to end the game early when there are leavers. One thing I'm looking forward to with Dota2 is that players can queue up to take leaver spots. It will hopefully cut down on completely wasted games.

That would be nice.  If a person has been out of the game for time "x", reduce the amount of before surrender by "x" or "x/2".  Someone hoping in would be nice as well.  I didn't mind replacing someone in a WoW dungeon or hoping into a late battleground to get a free win/loss bonus for minimal time invested.

I haven't seen a lot of AFKs lately.  I saw it a lot around lvl 8-12.   

Uh, wow, 10 minute Dominion win.  No afks or anything except for OUR Sona being afk the first min or so.

That's very similar to a game I just had - about 10 minutes in Dominion, except I was on the losers. I played my AP Katarina and wasn't doing too bad (4/6/1) considering I often found myself goddamn alone. I'm not sure what some of my teammates were doing. I think we had a disco at one point, but I ended the game with the high score on my team of 543, followed by the next highest being 330-something, with the other three having scores in the high 100's. I did get to own a Yi a few times, but got owned by a decent Morgana. And Riven for some reason, was constantly able to escape my gank attempts.

I'm pretty sure riven is the second fastest character.

She must be because even with Sorceror's Shoes, I couldn't catch the bitch.

What's your Heimer build? I've been doing the Bhodi (Warmog/(Lucid, FoN)) super tanky build for the last week.

I've been playing Heim Dominion, a lot, since my pings of 70 have spiked into 200 for the last few weeks, and Heim dominion is fairly easy to play high latency and still do well.

My record was 7:20 win this weekened. We held all 5 and were ganking enemy teams at exits from their spawn

If I were to guess from the picture, RoA and Arachangel's.   :grin:

Archangels was something I was going to try, seems like it would work and I was going to build some tanky mana items Ryze style but the game never went long enough.  I almost always start catalyst for first item into RoA and then AP items like Rabadons, Zhonya's etc...  Don't really need boots first if I'm just defending/pushing bot.  I haven't really needed to play him very tanky so far and usually RoA has been giving enough HP buffer to get by.  If I was running around the map fighting and taking points though I'd probably build differently.

Lore. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebJR2lBZsOc)

lol lore.

Oh wait.   :grin:

Got to love a game where a guy that's feeding constantly is blaming you for the losing the game. 


That Blitz/Mord combo were yelling at me for not winning my lane (uhh, which I was) and not killing the mumu 5 minutes into the game.  By that time they had gotten double killed by the Skarner/Panth and were well on their way to getting double killed again.

The Blitz had gotten so bad in the game that his friend (Mord) was actually telling him to calm down, since he was blaming everyone but them (who were 0/14 at the time) for how bad we were losing.  Unreal.  As I was telling Haem, we've left some of the smurfs behind at this level and replaced them with guys that aren't very good that think they are.

How the fuck does a Blitzcrank get a 27 CS laning with a Mord? That's unpossible.

90% of the time the guy who complains the loudest is the worst player.

I just played with a WW who went 0/9 but it was ok because "I'm not a carry." He would run into the enemy team 1 v 5, get instantly vaporized, then be all "what the hell team???"

I'd start a new account if my elo was that low, dear god and I thought someone sucking with nasus was terrible.

Though to think about it, tell me what was that WW was building.

Another wonderful game of "I hate almost everyone in this game that isn't me."  I'm starting to really dislike people that play hard to kill characters (Irelia, Singed) because they get so overconfident and just keep taking 1v5 fights over and over until your team loses.

(http://i.imgur.com/YuhtH.jpg)

Just had the greatest game of Dominion ever playing as Ryze. We had a Tristana, Trynd, Skarner and Katarina on our team, against a Yi, Ezreal, Pantheon, Katarina and I think Lee Sin but not sure as I didn't see that one all that often. We start out winning pretty handily, getting ahead by about 400-280 or so, then it starts to go pear shaped. We can't hold points. We were down to 1 turret at one point in the game, when we started to retake points. Finally we are down 53-7 with 1 point held, 1 point neutral but being taken and I could hear the gongs playing for our end. Myself and the Tristana figure out that we need to get that second/third point and so both make a beeline for the bottom point nearest their spawn. We killed a Pantheon and an Ezreal, then start to capture as the nexus health is ticking down. We neutralized the point RIGHT as our counter hit 1 - saved. We capture it, our other teammates capture a 3rd point and we are set. I tell people just to hold what we have (not that they fucking listened). Our Skarner goes and tries to take top point next to their spawn and I think he's lucky we had done so much damage because there was no one to oppose him. Tristana and I held our point against three waves of Panth, Yi and Ezreal attacking in twos and ones. I'd hit the snare, pop the overload then bounce the bouncy ball off of them, and the turret would help me finish them off. We finally win the game with ONE FUCKING POINT of nexus health. I think I ended with 11/10/4 or something but was the second highest scorer. It was an EPIC comeback.

Nice! Did you get to lord it over any of those preemptive gg'ers?

I decided, with the refunded RP from my Mac consolation champs bundle, to finally splurge on a rune page set, and buy up some alacrity quints and what not to try the AD junglers.

I played two gangplank jungles (both times starting vamp). The first one was going meh in the jungle, not really helping or hurting, but our bottom lane was being destroyed by Akali, so that ended up bad. The second time, I asked for a leash at blue from Yorick, and I could not get him to go back to his lane until he had slurped up the XP from golem and wolves. So that was about as bad as possible. Obviously, small sample size, but even in the okay game, I had a hard time keeping sustained enough to even think about early ganks.

Then switched to Warwick, and had two really nice games. Both games, got to 5, ganked top, kills both time, had a nice Brand who was happy to take those blues, Malakill did well as Vayne, and just really easy to sustain through the jungle and solo some lonely dragons. Ended up both times with lines like 6/1/15 and 6/0/17.

Maybe it was the skewed higher than I normally play level wise of queueing with you, but that team was probably the best one I've been a part of thus far.

In lol LoL story time - was playing an SR earlier where both teams had 2 people go AFK, so it was a 3v3, ended up winning, but it was really really silly either way.  I wish there was some way to solve this problem, way to high a percentage of games are ruined by players not actually playing.

Automated leaving system doesn't help when a million plus players are pounding on the gate. The root problem is that you can't get a good group with completely random players. Even though the system factors in elo, which at this point is near meaningless because your either at the tippy top (and don't solo que) or at the ragged edges of the bottom, with "mid" level being just a constant bob up and down between "decent" and "terrible bad". There is few ways i can think of to fix the problem on the matchmaking side calculations side, especially with a system that priotizes putting you in a team in 30 seconds. You either change SR to be less rage inducing or create an easy to use pug system.

Or you match based on % of games left.

May work, but its still a slippery slope. The problem with being a mid level player is that you constantly getting dipped into elo hell until you "bring yourself up by your boot straps" or stay down there. If riot could tell the difference between my internet going out and me pressing the alt-f4 key, than sure. But consider this your one disconnect away from never winning a game ever, the only way your able to leave elo hell is because the "baddies" are well dispersed.

Also leaving isn't the only way to ruin a game. Leaving is often just a symptom.

3 folks were playing together on my team earlier today. At about 15 mins in on SR one of the 3 just stopped playing - sat idle at spawn. Apparently she decided to take a shower and left her buds (and team) hanging - but we won anyways.

lol was it a sona? coulda been me.

Heh no, but damn it don't do that!

I'm wondering if people just think this is acceptable behavior?  I've seen lots of instances of people just seemingly going AFK for arbitrary amounts of time and coming back.  I mean, yea, sometimes real life happens and you need to stop playing a game, ok,but its so frequent in this game compared to others I have played.   My current hypothesis is that because it is free a lot of young people play it, and they don't have control over their time.

Yeah, had company come over irl. took 15min to greet and explain that for the next 45min I'd be playing a game! Still, once I farmed up I was able to team support to the win.  At one point we had two inhibs down but our team fighting was superior to their early game ganking domination.

Ive been on this tailspin losing streak because I've been chained together with these retarded fuck ups who don't learn their lesson in a lane after dying two or three times.... ..... .... Thats the story.  :oh_i_see:

On a really annoying streak today.  And bear in mind, this is all in co-op vs. AI because I hate drama.

First game, I'm Maokai, laning bottom with Gangplank.  Mid is Karthus.  We're having trouble getting kills bottom, because GP keeps pushing the enemy back under the tower.  He's not buying anything but potions and a Doran's Shield, so his dps is crap, and every time an enemy pokes their head out from under their tower, GP plinks them with a pistol shot and sends them scurrying back.  GP starts bitching about how I'm not doing anything (I'm 1/2 at this point, not going to dive anymore) but I'm not sure what else I can do unless the enemy gets away from their tower.  We get the first tower down, and I head mid to help there.  But GP spends the entire rest of the game bitching about "tree fag" (me) and Karthus not doing anything.  GP charges the mid inhibitor tower in a 3v3 and gets zerged down, and complains that he didn't see anything from Karth or me, and how lame it is that I wasn't throwing out saplings and Karth wasn't throwing bombs, thus forcing him to close to melee and get eaten by the tower.  I point out that both Karth and myself have been pushing top for the last minute or so and are nowhere near the fight, and I can't throw saplings quite THAT far, to which GP responds "sure, whatever".  GP respawns and tries to push mid again, running in to solo two enemies and getting killed because they had blue buff.  GP proceeds to bitch about whoever died to give the enemy the blue buff, and how that's shitty play.  Then he pushes bottom and dies to another enemy gank at their bottom inhib turret because "it looked like tree fag was going to initiate" into a 2v5 but instead I was just walking around their mid inhib and GP was somehow unable to stop charging.  The game ends about thirty seconds later, with my K/D at 10/2 and Gangplank at 2/5 (against bots, bear in mind) and he's still bitching about how bad Karth and I are (Karth having roughly double my score).

Next game is another clusterfuck.  I'm playing Jax because I need something with a lot of killing power to unwind after the last game.  Teammates include a Lee Sin with smite, a Gangplank with smite who declares that he's jungling, Skarner, and LeBlanc.  LeBlanc takes mid, Skarner top, and Lee bottom, so I figure I'll help bottom since top is normally the solo lane.  Lee tells me to go top since it's harder to solo than bottom, so whatever, I turn around and head top.  Then Skarner heads bottom because top is always a solo lane, and he's going bottom because Lee wants me top.  Lee notes that I can't do much as Jax against top (Ashe and Soraka) and it's stupid to make me solo it.  Skarner points out that Lee should be jungling since he has smite, and we'd have three solo lanes that way.  Lee says he took smite because only noobs use exhaust against bots, and not because he was going to jungle, and bottom should solo.  Then Lee teleports top leaving Skarner to die and GP disconnects (ne'er to return) and the whole rest of the game turned into this titanic gong show that we only won because we were a five carry team against bots.

I need an asprin.

My goodness... stop playing coop.  :ye_gods:

 :ye_gods: :ye_gods: :ye_gods:

Really, just play normal and then insta-ignore everybody the first time they say something unfriendly. Or just ignore everybody you don't know at the start of the round and imagine you're playing with some unpredictable new AIs.

I'll just come out and say I hate losing so bot games are fun because you almost never lose. I guess I'm playing the game wrong.

if you are having fun you are playing the right game, fuck everyone else.

Tastyhat I do the same thing - one strike, your out.  Makes games much more enjoyable.

I had a game last night that we lost and I am starting to understand some basic concepts like sustain. But I'm also starting to be able to pick out REALLY TERRIBAD players. I played Allistair last night, not a great round, though I started out doing well early. At some point I'm running around and come up on a Teemo and I think, "I can take a Teemo." Teemo proceeds to faceroll me (and does it a few times late in the matches in teamfights). As I die, I notice that he's level 14 while I was 11 and most of my team was 9 or 10. I ask "How did Teemo get to be level 14?" to silence. The answer to that question was that he was faced up mid against our Ashe, who apparently sucked monkey nuts. The Ashe ended up 1/12/4 or something similarly stupid. I can sort of understand the 1 if she was feeding Teemo, which she must have been horribly. But 4? You can't get more than 4 assists with an ASHE?

I can at least console myself with the fact that I didn't bitch and whine about how bad the player was in the game. I know what it means to suck. I'm starting to suck less so I will give some leeway to the sucksters.

Teemo's likely to monkey fuck you one on one in any case, and if he's that fed he might have a Maldred's already.  You're not going to win a lot of one on one encounters on a tank or support, and you seem to like to face check people.   :awesome_for_real:

Games right now seem to hinge on one player being awful or not.  If they're awful but manage not to die a lot, that's fine.  But if they drop double digit deaths to a carry, you're going to be in trouble.

Both games were pleasant last night.  Had a mouthy Ashe in the first, but luckily she was on the other team for the second match.  Second match we actually had a competent Warwick jungler, which I don't see a whole lot at this level.  He got his leash, didn't fuck things up, and for the most part did OK with the ganks (had problems sealing the deal some).  He even apologized when he did typical dumb Warwick shit (1 v. 3.. why NOT.  /faceplant).

This is kind of why it's better just to play a carry, and carry your team, unless you're queueing with people you know will benefit from your support.

Rasix: I usually build at least one GP/10 on Irelia, have you tried that yet?

Not yet, but I think I'm going to try a Regrowth pendant into -> Phil stone start next time I play.  Should be a solid opening.  What's the reasoning behind the gp/10 items?  Just some extra money off some stats you benefit from anyways?

<--- Still very noob.

The main purpose is to allow you save most of the farm for the guy you're supporting whilst retaining some income for yourself.

Well, that's the thing.  I'm not support as Irelia.

Irelia is slightly different. The idea is that you take a solo lane, and the pendant gives you enough sustain that you can farm comfortably until late game when you're one of the most powerful champions.

Yeah, that. Her early game isn't that important, and sometimes getting farm with her is tough if you're 1v2, but Philo/Heart will make that not matter very much, while adding some early durability.

I wish I could play with some of your guys, but I never see folks online.  :oh_i_see:

The losing streak continued as I get increasingly retarded teammates. Despite destroying a horrible malzahar in mid, my other two lanes were "catered"... Then I played Jax and went 13 / 2 because nobody this low apparently knows how to deal with him, that and I faced a jarvan in bottom lane that used his standard > javeline combo every time it was up no matter how stupid and suicidal it was. At one point I solo'd Jarvan Akali and Caitlyn; killing them all with around 30% hp left... While exhaust was on.

Ragey Trynd and ragey Sivir in my two losses tonight.  Both liked to get into dumb fights, yell at you when they died, and then blamed their loss on us noobs.  That Sivir was really, really bad for basically only playing Sivir and being level 20.  Had a lower CS than me and she was solo mid and I had to share my lane with a fucking Heimerdinger.   Plus, their name was "FUKWHITEPPL" and spammed us with Occupy Wallstreet wall-o-text at the start.   The Trynd was just a Trynd.  Though he was really good and should keep pushing team fights when we needed to just surrender because besides him and me, we had a disconnected Teemo (who was feeding really bad before he left), a person playing LeBlanc for the first time and a useless Ezrael.  But Trind wanted to keep going because look at his awesome score!  DIED 12 TIMES.

My win was against a really, really passive team that just let me farm to my heart's content.  I think I was up 5 levels on almost everyone but the Trist in mid against me.  And she managed to be down a few levels to me because she was really easy to push out of lane.  At the end of the game I was at 244 CS while no one on the opposing team was within a 50 and that was just.. the passive Trist (everyone else was 100 lower).  I only got to be scary for a while before they surrendered.

edit: The best part was the Sivir couldn't figure out how to use flash.  Bitched about it the entire game.

Had a decent run on summoners rift, with a friend whose gotten much better since the last time I played with him. Good times on vent, with me laughing every time the enemy tryndamere burst from the bushes to kill my noob ass. Easy win, fun game, ended in 27 minutes LoL. The only annoying part was the 5th man we picked up since there was only 4 of us, who was trying so hard to pretend like were in the esl.
5th player -"Hey you didn't see that tryndamere?!"
Me - "I did, didn't care"
5th player -  :ye_gods:
Me -  :awesome_for_real:
5th player -  :uhrr:

cool story bro

%50 of all LoL deaths = "It's cool, I can get him"

other %50 = "Wonder what's in this bush..."

Well, I am getting really good at destroying everything with Renekton and then losing anyways. The other day I was 7/1/8 after 15 minutes and my team was just bad enough to lose anyways; I just played a game where I went 5/0/0 top in the first like 10 minutes against Kat and Yi. I literally drove Kat out of lane and into mid. But meanwhile bot was feeding Twitch because nobody buys pink wards ever, even after dying six times in a row.

I switched bot and we were still going to stomp them until our Amumu had some sort of RL emergency and went afk for just long enough for the other team to get Baron twice and stomp half our base. Meanwhile I am spending money I could be spending on carry items on Oracles because nobody else will, and every team fight is basically 'will they focus me down in time or will I hurt them enough that my team can clean them up'.

I guess I just need to figure out how to carry harder. Switching/ganking bottom earlier probably would have been wise, but given that I was practically freefarming top I was reluctant to leave before getting the tower down.

I'm convinced most people playing this game think the objective is just to fight the other team.  Its like, people are playing fucking team death match.

I agree. I *finally* had a good SR match last night, where the team was focused on winning not kills. I ended up with 12/3/15 or something silly like that with Jax - and not one person complained about me "kill stealing". They even set me up for a couple of ambushes! The opposing team put up an OK fight but didn't coordinate as well as we did.

But if you focus on winning the games early, then the fun ends too soon! :why_so_serious: I'm weird that way though. I play to not lose, as opposed to everyone else who play to win - and if they can't win they give up. I find it equally fun to play one game that lasts 55 minutes as two games that last 20 each.

I'm actually saying you shouldn't play to win early.  If you are playing smart you are building up a bunch of little advantages that then build to huge advantages by the end.  People seem to think they can win the game in the first 10 minutes and then end up just running off and getting killed because they are playing so aggressively.  When the mid-game hits, everyone is eager to initiate the team fight instead of waiting until the positioning is best, and so forth.   People have no patience to play smart.  I'm not amazing at this game, but at least I don't don't play stupid.

Boring. Your not a man if your not at the enemy nexus in 25 minutes. Super passive players just get rick rolled by anyone with a pair of balls, that's really all hotshotgg does, he simply harasses and starts fights when the opponent is whimpering behind creeps or a tower. His team just makes sure they are right behind him when he tards in 1v4.

You have totally not watched any recent CLG games.

Hotshot on his preferred Nidalee is possibly the most passive competitive player for the first 30 minutes. He just farms and farms and farms. Essentially nothing will get him out of lane: they're taking dragon? Teamfight in mid? Farm top. Teamfight in top? Farm mid.

I mean, the strat will sometimes pay off, because late game, he's chucking spears that are doing half-health, and with lich bane, he basically 3-shotted an inhibitor. But he uses his wonderful skills as an escape artist not to gank, but just to farm and push and CS.

He doesnt end matches in 20 minutes, but he is still far more likely to single handly start fights when the other team isnt expectong it. He may be a giant puss for 30 minutes, but he is far more agressive than most players are comfortable with. I remember one game  he was farming with jax, 30 unimportant minutes later he strolls up the middle of the map, heads for 4 players holding mid, leaps on one guy who back peddles closer to his tower but comes to a.full stop just short of being on top of his other teammates.

Been playing sona a lot lately and I've found playing your lane very aggressively with her is the wY to go. Constant harassing while you teammate farms can really deprive your lane opponents

Just wait till u lane with someone who has no idea what you"re doing.

After mostly playing melee characters for the past two weeks, I've gotten really horrible with ranged.   Yikes.  Had my first 10 death game as Annie and was like 9/10/10 in a win.  Granted, this was a win where we got significantly out killed/assisted, yet had them on the defensive the entire match.  Our Yi and Udyr liked to dive really hard, so most team fights began with them dead and the enemy team focusing me hard.    Still, where they were satisfied with holding down their base, we were killing towers and inhibs and then we ended up acing them and sealing it.

Seems like I need to focus on a role and stick to it, since I don't play a billion games a day. But quite often I'll get into the character select, think for a second, and our team is already instalocked with 4 melee DPS.  I'd just feel like a dick not taking a ranged at that point.  Although I've found that being the lone ranged means you eat a lot of backdoor deaths.

I've been trying to like Melee, but I feel like in my shitty newb games ranged carries just dominate so hard that I'm doing my team a disservice if I don't play Ashe or Vayne.    For melee I have Alistar (who I play when I'm playing with a friend), Tryndamere (which I play rarely, but kind of like), Jax (who I'm still getting used to).  I also suck hard with mages like Annie.  I've actually done pretty well with Morgana and Sona, but it feels like when I play support I end up never having a player worth supporting.  Also, no one wants to solo  mid, so if I play a ranged carry I'm pretty much allowed free farming mid by my team every game, which is also fun.

Also, I've had a similar problem where when I do decide I want to try some melee to improve at it, there are already like a Master Yi, Tryn and something else on the team already, so the team needs ranged, and I'm better at it to begin with, so I never get better, heh.

Is it good to specialize in this fashion and be good with a few ranged carries, or is it better to plug in a bunch of roles?

Oh dear god I have, the worst thing about it is telling people "No, take ALL the minions, seriously"

If I was paired with you, I'd squee.  If I ever get paired with a support, most of them just push the lane and auto attack creeps.  But it's rare that I do, I'd guess that 50-75% of the games my level don't even feature a support character of any kind.

I will totally 0CS support you Rasix.  :heart:

Jungle WW update: 6-0.  I got paired with somebody who took WW/Smite before I could click it, told him so goodnaturedly, picked Irelia.

Queue dodge. He's not there, so it's WW on WW, and we're doing some light fun trash talk over all. So we invade and steal his blue, and then when he comes looking for my golems second trip around, vaporized. I had my wriggles before he had madreds. All lulz from there on.

Speaking of lulz, who wants to try out the Blitzstar lane? It looks hilarious.

Lost a game of the new Dominion last night. I didn't really notice the changes. I was playing with Kayle on a team that was a gaggle of crack-addled monkeys. We started the game with 3 fucking people all running to the bottom to take the first point. 3 fucking people to take the bottom point. I mean, I don't even know how to process something so fucking stupid. I take the closest top point and our Talon immediately goes towards the windmill. He can't take it solo, of course, because he's facing up against a Yi and something else. Our team spent the entire game running around like goddamn headless chickens. We controlled the top 3 points at one moment in the game, but most of the time we were lucky to control two points and struggling to maintain that. I don't think I ever had three people on my team fighting with me, at most it was two people. The Talon seemed semi-sentient, the rest were just fuckawful stupid.

Luckily, this was after a game of SR where I played Kayle. I started out well soloing mid-lane against an Irelia, but towards mid game, I started feeding her pretty bad. But by late game, I was fucking unstoppable. I think I had a 4 or 5 kill streak IN THE ENEMY BASE while I had less than 1/4 health. I think I started kill-stealing our Ammu because he'd initiate and then I'd start whaling on someone with my Q and E active, pop my W or R to stay alive and suddenly, shit was just dead. The team wasn't great, except for the Ammu, but they weren't morons either.

It's never kill stealing when you are a carry. Support types and tanks are supposed to let you get last hit on a champ if it isn't an intense situation. Amumu really doesn't need that gold, he can still bandage/ult the enemy team. Carries need items to let them beast people.

Eff this. If carry cant kill people on his own  he is shit and doesnt deserves it anyways. btw amumu with rabbadons is scary as fck.

We're talking about the middle of crazy ass team fights around the enemy base with asstons of minions, and all of us at least level 16 or higher. I don't think the Ammu was serious about it - he wasn't a dick. And frankly, I wouldn't have given a fuck anyway. At the stage it happened, there's no way I was going to be able to hold off on last hitting something since at times I could barely see what I was targeting.

Most of the time you shouldn't care who gets the kill. Getting as many assists as possible is the optimal way of earning money, and an assist earns a good fraction of the money that killing would've gotten instead. It's kill securing, not stealing.

I can't tell any difference between old Dominion and the new one. All I know is that AP Poppy is still an awesome killing machine. People don't expect tower dives in Dom.

You're a fuckin' retard.  And kids, please don't build Rabbadon's Amumu.

So let's say I'm Annie....I'm ganking with a Taric built for 0 CS...Taric should not, in any fucking way, try to get the last hit on a champ. That's fucking your carry, and your team. What am I saying? You probably don't understand the concept of 0 CS builds....and even carries for that matter.

Man, LoL really builds up those social skills!

LoL - best community. EVAH!



Yeah I dont.  Happy now?

Kill > no kill

optimally you let your carry get the killing blow on all champs but that's in a perfect world.   

Yeah, that's not happening. I'm almost positive I will never be good enough (nor give enough of a shit) to worry about NOT killing a champ when I have the opportunity. If I can get the kill, I do. It's a dead champ. Fuck your kill scores.

I've seen so many people get away with a sliver of life, I just want the target dead.  Still, if I've got someone dead to rights on my carry and someone else jumps in for the kill?  Yah, I'll be a little annoyed.  On Cho/Singed? Not at all.  Although with Cho, I will not pass up the nom nom nom kill.

I've had issues with Irelia where I'm completely owning but just getting assists because someone ganks the last hit.  Prevents me a little from getting over my gear hurdle.  Of course, that's mostly a first world problem and those games I'm usually going to win anyways.

And there are situations, like the example I listed, where that's the case. Where someone is caught dead to rights. I almost always, as a jungler, try to let the mid carry finish fuckers off. If it's questionable at all, I'm full on kill mode. I also always hand my blue buff (after the first) to the AP carry. It wins them lanes and nets your team kills.

Kills pay WAY better than assists. I used to not truly understand the importance of CS. I spent too much time roaming when I shoulda been raking in cash. Even if you don't agree with the more passive style of pro guys, I have learned there are sometimes you just can't help that dude in mid that overextended. Don't bother running down there and handing them another kill. Help yourself. Get paid. And if you are support, help your carries get paid.

Your elo must be as high as your nose. For one we are talking about solo que. Two we are not talking about the static farm fest of high level douchery. Fact is harrassing and team fights happen far more often than the gank orianted play of the 0 CS game. In that enviorment, anyone getting the kill is better than no one getting the kill because "fights" of any kind are usually not planned or coordinated enough to ensure your carry always gets the kill, let alone for it to be handed to your ashe on a silver platter.

In a big messy team fight you usually just want to kill people as fast as possible and whoever gets the kill gets it. If you are chasing someone down or ganking and they are taost it's good to try to let someone who needs it get it. For example if you are Sona and you ult someone who has 10% hp there's generally no reason to Q them when your carry can hit them once to finish them.

This stuff does mattter. If you are in a bottom lane as Vayne and Sona your Vayne getting two kills is way way better than your Sona getting two kills.

Recently I played with a couple different Ali players who saved their abilities for the finishing blow. Not only does that suck because fed a support Ali with a couple kills doesn't get much stronger but saving his skills for kills means he isn't using them to protect carries, bonk a squishy into our team, etc.

9/10 if your support is getting kills, your carries are already pretty damn fed to begin with.

Not true. Sona for example can put out a lot of burst early game, more than many carries.

Sona hitting someone with a Q and then her Power Chord can do 30%+ damage at early levels. As Vayne in that same amount of time you can get at best a Condemn into the wall and an auto attack for maybe a little more damage and more likely just a roll into a single auto-attack for much less. Similarly Ali hitting someone with a Q, an auto-attack and a W at level 2 is not going to do much less damage than a Corki landing a Q and an auto-attack and some E hits.

A lot of carries don't have highly damaging skills and rely on auto-attacks for damage and at low levels with not many items that damage is low. Which is why those early kills matter so much, the faster you can get some significant items that faster you start rolling.

Coming from a person who actually plays taric, karma, soraka and sona and plays them as aggressively as possible, the only way I don't feed my lanning partner kills is if they miss click on a creep or facing the opposite direction when the enemy is still alive with a sliver of health left. Generally no matter how kill oriented I am, i find it impossible not to end a game with 12-20 assist and maybe 3 kills if lucky during a team fight.  So i don't know what support champs you running with, but anyone with a rune page can easily scrub kills set up by way played support champions.

Been trying, and failing, to make some broken lane combos with Vayne and Riven. I decided I wanted to win a game, so...:

People just do not fucking get Dominion do they? I'm on a team that's doing pretty well, playing Ryze. We are up something like 153 to 17 with 3 points controlled. I say to the team "Just hold 3" and am completely ignored. The rest of the team starts hunting ganks, and proceeds to go down from 3 towers to 2. We're down to 53 to 17 when I figure out that the top point is ripe for taking. So without any help, I head towards it while the rest of the retards go looking for kills padding. This puts me 1v1 against a goddamn Fiddlesticks, who has killed me numerous times in the game. I lose this fight and we probably lose the game, but somehow, I manage to cap him with 1/8 health left and take the point, ensuring our victory.

What's so fucking hard about hold 3 points when you're up that far? People are fucking idiots.

OK.  This community is fucking wretched at times.  Jesus christ.

I had an off game and holy hell, pro Shaco who dives into 4 of them keeps giving me shit.  I should just use the ignore function the first time one of those idiots pipes up.

edit: Actually, anytime I'm playing a champ I'm not great on.. I think everyone goes on ignore. Better for my blood pressure that way.  Funny though, the Shaco gives me shit when no one was positive, and I killed my lane to the point where my opponent was switched out and I had the most CS of anyone.  /wtf

And to gripe some more, it seems like every other game some team gets a Xerath that just feeds the entire time. When you're 1/7, perhaps it's time to stop complaining you didn't get enough CS.

My Achilles heel in terms of enjoying this game is people with unusual characters in their name, making it impossible to easily ignore them without looking up alt-codes.

So I decided to play ranked, which is usually against my goal of taking the game as unserious as possible, but meh why not ranked? With the reset I can finally get my pro gaming fix right? Wrong. The first two games I try seriously, I pick soraka and attempt to carry my team to victory by making sure my laning partner is fed. Both games result in a loss despite early game dominance. Loses that would have been easily avoided if my team had a clue and ended the game instead of wasting all the farm i gave them and avoiding team fights to the point where one miss placed ally champions results in a steam rolled gg nexus lose. Not wishing to continue this trend I say "fuck it" and refuse to take the game seriously again, instead falling back on my trusty JUNGLE Twisted Fate.

Players were screaming at champ select, had 20 que dodges once they realized I was dead serious. Couldn't stop laughing. I think that alone made up for being trolled out of easy wins when I'm actually trying to win. Finally getting a game it ends in 30 minutes my win and with some of the people who dodged me on the other team. Laughed. Got apologies two pages long from my teammates. Made friends with a guy who figured out what i was doing. Funny stuff. Next game dual que, this went not so smoothly, had an enemy fiddle who seemed to do the right thing at the worst possible time. The game felt like a slow crawl to a lose, until they all moved bottom (a fact we noticed thanks to my new jarven buddy with his pro wards) and I ulted top with my new buddy chogath and BackDoored all the way to the nexus, while pro jarven rallied the rest of the team to block all attempts to blue pill. One of the best quotes from the game was "Never Seen a Back Door like that in a Ranked Game". Everyone was calling the game epic by the end, well except the losing team which have devolved into the typical "trolling, feeding, blah blah" rage cycle.  

The moral is if your taking the game seriously your doing it wrong. League of Legends was nicknamed LoL in the beta for a reason.

In game just hold tab and click on the word balloon to the far right of their name to ignore them.

I think I might be done solo queuing.

Trynd and Yi are just about at the same level of insta-queue dodging for me these days.

akjslksg;aflk; double bt

? Sorry, I guess I'm newb? Shrugs, it was super late game, the build I was following had literally nothing left to buy, so I just bought another Bloodthirster,

A Banshee's or something would be a better idea. Against that team, Thornmail would have been good as well.

Just had game where a Nunu and Ashe died 35 times between them.  The lines on them were 2/19/2 and 3/16/9 respectively.  We won, but only because it was a 4 on 5.  The Nunu really didn't count though as a teammate.  He'd just sit in front of the Soraka, make a funny face, and die (even had a skin for Nunu).  I had to take over his lane, but still, he'd just run down the middle and die. He spent more than 11 minutes dead, same with Ashe but she fed their Annie hard.  Ohh, and our Annie was afk through about 30% of the game.  VERY ODD.  Noob game while on work PC, which had the keyboard and mouse stop working sporadically throughout the game.  

Overall, I played very passively and just used the time to farm my Q with Nasus and get used to playing him.  Late game I was just melting everyone and had a GA/FON so I was unkillable.  Annie would run up, hit me, and be dismayed that I wasn't screaming in pain.  Still had a rather MEH line (3/2/5), but killed 4 turrets, played a lot of D, pushed lanes, etc.  Nasus seems fun, but I think would end up ineffective if under-farmed on the Q.  It's still nice to have a slow at your disposal and lane pushing skill.  Solid kit, and in the style of character I favor.

edit: Tried Ashe. LOL.  I just completely can't play ranged anymore.  I just get lost.

I had stupid silly long game (58 minutes or so) last night.  We traded barons couple of times but it was going nowhere. Had full build as gp with 6 k to spare.  So I thought - heck why no, Ill try those 400g potions. So I sold my wriggles bought and drank all 3 potions+ oracle (just to see wards) , bought 2nd IE ( probably not best choice but I already had black cleaver+TF) . And by jeebus I got quadra kill in first team fight. Will not neglect potions now!   26k gold farmed at the end of this game.

But I still think the game needs separate items slots for potions+wards. In those long games always run out of room...

In other game faced morgana +fiddle, both  with zhonya. God this combo is annoying - morgana flashes in, zhonya ,ult, fiddle flashes in, ult + zhonya. We are fcked! We still won but only cause their udyr was running around in pheonix spamming chat "I am a superman".

I decided I wanted to try the Jungling Yi last night based sort of on this build:

Pro as Heck Guide to Jungling Master Yi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hPU9Ru1ftw&feature=feedlik)

I let my team know I wanted to try Jungling and the Kassadin who took mid lane immediately said please don't, since Janna was top lane by herself. Janna shot back with "Nah, I got it, I can solo lane this." I told the Janna if she needed help, just holler and went on. Died to the golems first time because I didn't pop my health potion, but it was before the fights really began so I didn't mind too much. I'm only level 15 so didn't really have jungling runes but was working with some AD runes. The jungling started a little better so by the time I was 4 or 5, Janna asked me to take the lane while she went and bought shit. I did, facing off against an Ashe and a horrible Udyr. I laned for a bit, then went back to the jungling, even helping the Kass mid lane with a Fiddlesticks (who was also a pretty bad player - I think he ended up with 3 kills and low CS). Instead of taking 3 Zeals, I took one, found I needed a mana regen item, and once I'd gotten that, went for a Sunfire Cape. I died more than I wanted, but by the end, I was just owning two champs at a time, underneath turrets and surviving. The movement speed buffs from berzerker boots and the zeal was just goddamn crazy. I ended up with 9/9/15 or some such, and we won handily. The other team was mostly terrible, though their Ashe was decent. Our Kass and Janna were goddamn pro, though. Janna ended up with more kills than me, and the Kass had like 15/3/10 or some crazy shit.

I really liked that build of Yi, even if I don't jungle. Those movement speed/AS buffs were just crazy.

You don't need to sell items to drink potions.  With a full build when you buy potions you just auto-drink them instead of going into your inv.

You have to buy them after you respawn though.

Thanks. Sometimes I get zeroed in on damage dealing and forget that defensive items can still be really useful.  Learnin Learnin Learnin.

Wow a noob I am still! Mucho thanks for tip!  Now if I only had free ward slot now!

A banshee's will often save you a "stun lands, everyone dogpiles on you" type of death.   I typically play tanky dps, so 2-3 slots for me (not counting boots) is always some sort of defensive response to what the other team is doing.  

Must have been a 50 minute game, he died what 4 times? While good advice, it doens't applie applicably to why he lost. He lost at champ select and his team mates just snowballed the situation downward by there choice in items.


The reason he lost was Jax and Jarven, running around with 3.5k health while the rest of his team barely scrubbed 2k health, not even counting differences in armor and magic resistance. You had no tank, and they had off tanks and a sona. The rest of your team evaporated every time you engage in a fight involving jax or jarven and it only got worse by the end game. I feel sad for your lose but them the breaks.

God, why haven't I played GP in like weeks?  I just finished mopping the floor with a team as him.  Maybe my hidden ELO was low enough to get put back with the baddies. Been having a dreadful run of bad teams and worse losses.

Just start jungling. My Warwick is now like 16-3. As Hoax said, as long as your team is semi-competent. a jungler helps immensely.

Bought Udyr with IP though...he's a lot trickier. The rhythm of stacking stances  takes some skill I don't have yet.

Noooooooooooooooo.

I ruined my 7 game Renekton winning streak (which followed an 8-game Renekton losing streak -- stupid team games) by trying out Xerath and getting my ass kicked mid while staring intently at my inscrutable skill buttons. Even at level 16 games seem to be basically determined by which side has more smurfs.

  :uhrr:  He's only 3150! He's my first IP bought champ...ever! (I socked the rest into about 30k of runes) I just wanted to try him out and didn't feel like waiting till he went on sale.

Still on the fence about buying something magey.  A friend of mine plays Brand and he looks quite fun to play, but I don't feel like selling out 975 RP for him :-/. 

I like fiddle, he seems to be a good starter mage since he's not very squishy.

I frikkin' love Udyr. Hit me up and I'll give ya some pointers. Are you thinking tiger or phoenix? I started out Tiger, and at lower levels is probably best (very strong ganks) but I have a tanky phoenix build that is rough business and super fast jungler clearer. Might be even better if other team has no jungler...cook down the entire forest.

Caster-wise both Brand and Annie are good solid picks. Brand has a little bit more flexibility in his play, while Annie is mostly: are all my spells up? If yes, then PRESS BUTTAN!11`

If you have quick fingers and a good sense of space, I'd recommend giving Cassiopeia a shot, as her damage output is ridiculously high, but you need good timing and a sense of when to back off and when to really go in for the kill. Otherwise I'd say some of the other (roughly speaking) 'tier 1' mage picks are Morgana, Ryze, Lux and Anivia. Of the four Lux and Morgana tend to orient themselves more towards supporting and set-up roles, while both Ryze and Anivia are very good at just outright killing things.

Morgana also gets banned in every.single.draft


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Well, been kinda burnt out on SR for a bit so tried dominion.

I ran Karthus and man...he is sick. #1 and victories in both game.

AOE slow, AOE capture disrupt, AOE melt spell, AOE triple kill spell. Oh wait, I died. Good luck taking the point! I also run improved revive/ghost on him so even when you do finally kill me IM COMING BACK QUICK and BUFFED (well, twice a game but I find it is very useful, especially that first windmill fight). If anyone cares it's just a standard rush RoA, rush Rabaddons, then I get Will of the Ancients or rylai's or w/e. I stay quite stocked with health and mana pots, after most fights I have very little hp/mana and between the pots and the packs I am semi ready for the next fight.

Good to know, even though I don't tend to play Draft.   Though I will probably try ranked eventually.

Standard bans I see these days:

Morgana
Akali
Singed
Lee Sin
Gangplank


Occasional Graves/Talon/Brand/Amumu/Fiddle/Udyr

Just an FYI...

Wait, what's wrong with buying champs with IP?

I think AP champs are actually turning out to be better for Dominion than the tanky melee champs now. As long as the people who play them know how to use them, of course.

I think the idea is that Runes cost IP and can't be purchased with RP, so you should save your IP for those.

Heh, well since I can't buy Tier 3 runes now and Tier 2 runes are a waste of IP, I don't mind spending IP on champs. After all, if I want more runes, then I just play more games, and if I need a lot more, I can buy boosts with money too.

BTW, did anyone else get a 10 win IP boost buff? I bought a 4 win boost the other day, it ran out and suddenly a 10 winner just showed up.

Everyone got a 10win boost for the Golden Joystick Award.

Played yesterday pretty horrible game as jungle trynd. Normally I am an oookkk trynd player and I started with couple of ganks before level 6. But our lux fed 5 kills by same timeframe and I started raging just making stupid mistakes.Then eEnemy team melted me at every encounter in 2 sec flat. And I had both  cleanse and sash.  Our sion was damn epic and ashe was competent but me,lux and gp blew it (me and lux were something like 2 /16, gp was non factor at all).  They had 40 kill lead but our sion backdored their top inhib and for a while it looked like we had chance. But they finally baroned and finished it off . Maybe trynd is useless....- felt so helpless with his melee and being constantly cced. (morg binding , exhaust, graves smokescreen, brand stun) -just could not get any dps on target whatsoever and dead in record time

I got bitched at all game as a warwick despite going 11 / 1 / 14 and winning the game.

Early in the game nidalee over extends top and gets ganked, bot pair complains about her. Next, I go bot to try and gank (at 4) but miss, bot team complains.  Annie dies mid, you get the picture.

Later in the game the top nidalee does really well, annie isn't that great but gets off some helpful stuns and starting ganking the crap out of everyone and get pretty fed. After Ult-ganking a (really  bad) ashe in mid, I notice on bot galio is overextended and low.  I go down to try and help, turn off my scent and appear behind galio (then turning it back on). Galio runs off and puts his shield on, the janna Im helping auto attacks galio and his health somehow gets pretty high again. I auto attack and claw him a few times for the kill JUST as janna gets killed. Im then told "WTF WTF warwick ULT ULT ULT" to which I replied. "My ult was down, I just ganked mid ***". Which is followed by a  brief moment of silence and then "Fucking warwick sucks". (2/0/4 at this point).

Here's your problem.  I listen to smooth jazz while playing solo queue.  Crises averted.

From my experience, Tryn is one of the nastiest late game champs. Huge crits and lifesteal, that ult - but you shouldn't be first one in. Basically in that setup, I would hang back and wait for the ashe initiation arrow and then swing in for the rape. Also, Sion stun counts.  Hell, Lux's root would work. Sounds more like a case of them just being too fed to overcome, or poor focus fire by you guys.

Hoax put it well recently on Vent in my opinion, you should play Tryn like he doesn't have an ult.  You don't dive in and ult, you don't bait or start fights with your ult, you play like a normal melee dps and use your ult only when needed.  I've seen so many bad fights initiated by Tryndamere players who think the right play is just to spin into the other team and pop ult right away.  Even a really fed Tryn can struggle against the "brusier" teams that you see so much now, you can only really go nuts against an all squishy team that doesn't have good escapes and stuns.

I've heard more than once that Tryn is a viable solo top but I've never really seen it yet.  I've done well as it a few times, but usually felt like I was just stomping an inferior player and getting fed, not winning an even match.

So... Twitch? WTF? I just got my ass handed to me repeatedly by a very good Twitch player. I fed him like a goddamn gourmet chef. I was playing Katarina, and got faced off against that little rat bastard in mid. He was 4th level before I even knew it. By the time the game was over, he was able to kill me in less than 3 seconds, repeatedly. I died like 23 times with only 5 kills. It didn't help that we had other champs that were better suited to solo mid but wouldn't take mid. I finally switched off to the bottom lane and got some kills, but it was godawful. He was able to burst damage like 2k on me, even with like 86 armor and 96 magic resist. Is this fucker just overpowered or was it a really good build?

Your spatial/map awareness is probably the worst part of your game.  A Twitch is really going to exploit that.  He's going to pop out of stealth, have a huge attack speed buff, throw a lot of poison on you, then just E and blow it up.  I haven't really played a good one yet at this level.  Most are pretty squishy at the start and then just manageable in the late game.  Hard to kill though with that stealth. You pretty much have to explode him or treat it like Kassadin.

On a positive note, I'm carrying pretty hard as GP.  Even in losses I'm pretty solidly positive, except in the case of a total cluster fuck.  Armor + Pots.  Wriggles.  Boots (situational).  Warmogs.  Atmas.  Triforce. Whatever.  Treating me pretty well.  If we're already absurdly tanky, I'll chuck the atmogs to the back of the queue and build like a pure AD carry.

Had a game as Singed where my early game was pretty bad, and we were getting wrecked.  Team seemed pretty awful, until all of the sudden they started feeding the Talon.  Then while I ran around and was annoying, he just started blowing people up hard. Guy was the only one our team that had a positive K/D and pretty much vaporized anyone in seconds.  I should have just played my tankplank and we would have steam rolled from the start, but they wanted a "real tank".  Had a nice toss where I chucked a Mord into the center of Talon's ulti.   :why_so_serious:

Of that there is no doubt.  :grin:

I want to try Twitch out now. I had played against one before and absolutely wrecked him, but this guy obviously knew what he was doing. Even when I saw him coming it was just ugly. I don't think I've ever seen Katarina die so goddamn fast to ONE champ.

What the hell is up with Shaco?  I played maybe 8-9 games tonight and I think all but two had a jungle Shaco on one or both sides.  He hasn't even been changed yet right?  Hard to tell because the level 18-20 games I'm in mean anyone jungling fucks the team over.

Man I hate junglers right now.  Either 3-4 levels under the whole team, feeding, or tunnel-vision jungling to keep up and contributing nothing.  In all my games I've only had one Udyr pull it off well. 

I can't remember a game where having a jungler (vs. a team without one) didn't result in my team winning, and I'm at the same level as you. Oh sample bias, who will untangle your mysteries!

Are you playing draft or blind pick?

Having been an under 30 jungler for a while now, I feel like the questions are:

1) Can your solo top handle a 1v2? If they're going to complain or get stupid and start feeding, then jungling is bad.
2) Is your jungler runed up enough/have basic clear/build knowledge to do their jungle? If you take a difficult to get rolling jungle, and then don't have your stuff in place, then that's how you end up four levels behind?
3) Are they good enough to know how to (not) do a gank with the low levels of coordination in pub stuff?

Especially in a one jungler situation, where you have two whoie jungles and will never run out of farm, you've got to make sure you're not just wasting time with ganks when you could be levelling up.

But if you answer all three of those yes, then I feel like it's a big plus, even if you don't make a big early game impact. 3 levels of solo lane (plus undoubtedly, the jungler team should be picking up 80-90% of dragons) is just such a big deal when the first team fights start rolling around.

Ah, but then you can run into the trap that you aren't helping your lanes enough and your 1v2 top loses lane.  Not losing your top lane is more important than getting 1 or 2 more levels then you would have normaly.  The one jungler situation tends to really suck, I hate playing it personaly.

I'm of two minds about it myself.  I personally love playing solo top when we've got a jungler that knows what they are doing, but it also seems like there are a lot of teams that lack a player or character that can really solo top effectively.    Most of the time it seems teams have such little coordination (Im around level 20), that adding in  jungler has the potential just to jack things up even further.  But when it works, MAN does it work.  Then again, I'm usually pretty happy just to get a team that doesn't have an AFK for a feeder, so my standards can't be too high.

Yeah. I do not jungle unless I've got somebody who wants to solo top, and is playing a character who has a chance of still getting some farm 1v2. Otherwise, I lane it up or queue dodge.

I've had good and bad results with my pre-20 jungle, more good than bad. But I always make sure to tell the team I'm jungling so they can prepare for it. The amount of damage a decently equipped Yi can put out late game is sick. The problems I run into are the mid-level game when the ganking/team fights start. If I get too involved with team fights and we start losing them, my leveling stops completely and I can't get to that sick damage output level.

I have been having the shittiest run of bad luck the last week. I don't know if it's the fact that I've ticked over to level 17 and the players I'm getting matched up with are much better than the opposition I was playing or what, but it doesn't seem to matter who I pick, I'm getting facerolled. Last night, I picked Katarina, went bot lane with our Trynd and just got absolutely OWNED by a Shaco/Twisted Fate pairing. I can't help but think the two of them were friends with some kind of voice comm for coordination, because they were just in tandem. I'd run into the bush nearest our turret and get fucking hammered by two jack in the boxes sitting right at the edge of the bush, and even when I didn't, I'd get focused and killed way too easy. That kind of stuff has been happening to me repeatedly the last 5 or 6 games I've played.

I had a jungler (a terrible, terrible GP) that stuck me solo top v. Lux and Anivia as either Jax or Irelia (can't remember which).  What a dick.  They could dive me at any time and there was just about nothing I could do about it.  They seemed like a dual queue pair as well, they were pretty good at zoning me out.

Finally broke my current losing streak last night by playing Annie, since GP was instalocked.  I played OK.  Solo mid v. a possibly mentally retarded Tristana named "PuffyVulva".  She just sat there and auto attacked the creeps.  Her gank attempts were running up to the bushes and then rocket jumping onto me and comboing her little heart out.  Tibbers put a stop to that nonsense and the GP at top had like a sixth sense for when I was wailing on her and managed to come in for some really nice ganks.  I was something like 8/5/20 (got chucked a few times by Singed and we had no tankiness at all)  and won my lane hard, downing my tower before anyone else. The GP carried hard at like 22/5/14.  He was a bit of a dick though, every death was "my fucking team this/that" or a "lol whuts oracles" when someone would die to the Shaco.  My favorite was when he was getting owned hard by the Singed and bitching that no one was helping him out ("how long do I have to tank before someone helps me") when I was still in the middle of a fight and our team was busy knocking down the last two towers and taking out the Nexus

As I inch toward 20, I'm seeing a lot more people just griping hard and generally misbehaving every time their team isn't filled with superstars.  Starting to resemble the chatter in the Streams I watch.  

Blind pick. I don't own enough champions to play draft (at least, last time I tried.)

On the other hand I mostly play Renekton, so a jungler means I get to solo top.

It really is impressive how entitled people act when it comes to teammates. Like they personally did something to deserve the better team, or no bad players, or whatever. No, my friend, you just joined a random online game full of random strangers, just like the rest of us.

My favourite is people who are clearly smurfs whining about their team being bad.

Pretty much. The game is full of entitled ass wipes and its gotten worse since Riot likes to blow the esport horn.

Those smurfs still never ward.  

Only time I ever get mildly annoyed is when I get paired in lane with someone that won't stop diving and dying.  It's just so goddamn annoying when someone throws away three plus deaths to something they have no business engaging.  Even then I usually keep it to something politely asking them what they're doing or to please play more cautiously.  Had a Sion in my lane that'd just run in, face check right in front of their tower, die, and do it all over again.  "Sorry, talking to my GF." Dude disco's after his 7th death by level 9.  Thanks, guy. A fed Irelia is so much fun to deal with.

Often I have to remind our superstar that some people on the team are legit noobs and to just deal with it.

I been wathching a lot of high elo streams recently. One one hand they definetely helped me to step up my game. On the other hand when you get to play blind pick you just wanna facepalm and choke yourself .Draft is a bit better but still rarely you see anything approaching coordinated  levels

Has anyone been having severe lag problems the last 24 hours or so? I played two games last night where at least 3-4 of my deaths were the direct result of being lagged to shit trying to escape from a situation I could have escaped from had my mouse clicks been every remotely followed.

I also played Vladimir and he seems pretty decent early game but mid to late game, he felt kind of overmatched.

I've been liking Nocturne way too much...so I am leaving the realm of the camera lockers.

I find that having space not as a snap-to, but as the camera lock button is actually kind of the setup that works for me: makes it easy to lock it on for team fights.

That said, it was embarrassing to fail to recalibrate for not having Warwick's heal, and end up dying to a dragon. My team hated me the whole game after that, even after we won and I ended up 9/4.

Best way to relieve some steam when you've just been kicking ass and still lose two in a row?  Singed + Anivia duo lane.   :why_so_serious:  Trolled the shit out a Xin/Garen tandem who were obvious dual queued.   Frozen heart/ninja tabi/banshee's/thornmail.

Earlier two games were bullshit.  21/9/24 and most deaths were during the last parts of the match.  In one game I was 6/0/x at the start but my team managed to feed a Shaco even harder than that.  Gragas/Cait went 12/27.   :uhrr:

Sometimes Gragas games are a bit frustrating.  I miss one barrel and my team goes fucking nuts.  Apparently I had to hit the Twitch, instead of the giant clump of them, and because I didn't do that, I'm "so fucking dumb".   Never mind that the barrel hit just about everyone would have allowed them to kill the Karthus that was killing them way harder than the Twitch.  "You hit the tank".  They didn't have a tank, and I didn't see the Twitch.

First time I've put my entire team on ignore. "You're on ignore.  Enjoy the game."  The not so surprising part was that they were all negative and all lost their lanes badly.  They all did nothing but feed and didn't CS for shit. They all got ridiculously low on HP all the time with a goddamn Karthus on the enemy team.  I was the only one did any ganks, and they managed to screw those up pretty hard.  

Then I ate some oranges and it was OK.  Gangplank is my slumpbuster.  :awesome_for_real:

edit: Gragas is by far the hardest champ I've tried to learn.  Not as straight forward as most I play, but at least I seem to farm with him well and can pull off some decent tosses.

Gragas has a pretty high skill ceiling. His ult is the kind that can go anywhere from easily winning you the battle to actually helping the enemy team.

Ohh, yes, I'm well versed in accidentally fucking my own team.  I play Singed from time to time.    Bad flings (like throwing Yi onto your low health lane partner), while hilarious, can have tragic consequences.   

They were underfarmed and feeding.  My barrel wasn't the reason we lost.  Still annoyed to take flack from a 3/7 Akali, 4/10 Trynd, and an 0/7 Galio.

What really sucks is when you get a really bad headbutt/barrel/whatever because the person flashed at the same time.  But your team still rages that you are a terrible player for doing it.  :heartbreak:

I accidentally bought Gragas with IP instead of RP the other day when he was on sale. He is a tough one to figure out. I like him, but his strategies do not reveal themselves easily, and I would not be surprised is the whingers bitched at you while sucking wind. It's the same type of shitheads who bitch about Sona being picked.

Basically you want to use his ult to knock someone squishy into your team or if things go bad knock someone dangerous away. (For example if Fiddle suddenly appears in the middle of your team)

It's pretty easy to 1v1 someone early on if it's up.   Poke with q, R behind them, e, q.  Also nice for ganks for when they start to retreat to their tower.   It's a handy ulti.   His E is such a rad ability.  So much mobility with it.

I need to buy some mana regen runes for him as mana's a huge problem early on.  Runes are just so goddamn expensive.  I blew through all of my saved IP in no time just filling out one AD sheet and a couple AP quints/6 magic pen marks.

edit: I think I might have to take my ultis off smart cast.  I seem to fat finger an R once a game.

I saw the new free champ rotation, saw that Warwick was on it and decided since he was cheap, I'd try him out. Get into the solo queue, immediately pick Warwick and a few seconds later, lock it in. Guy on my team starts typing "I ww" over and over again, then when I lock, he screams "I WW MOTHERFUCKER." I respond back with "What the...? What are you 12?" He ragequits I think as I'm dropped back to the home screen with a queue dodger. SO Glad I didn't have to play the game with that fucking idiot.

The game I did get into with WW was a good one. Got stuck mid until I saw I was up against a Caitlyn, so asked our Ashe if she would switch with me and she did graciously enough. Got ganked a few times early by a decent Kog'Maw/Lux combo down there, but by the end, I was just tearing through shit. Had a few deaths to me just wanting to either kill a tower or kill someone under a tower, ended with 15/11/8 I think.

My favorite "support" is somebody with long range holds like Lux or Morgana (and Janna, to a lesser extent), or hefty speed buffs like Sivir or Zilean. The more conventional support characters like Sona and Soraka tend to foster overconfidence in anybody who hasn't got a healthy hunk of caution and patience, and those two traits are distressingly rare.

More reliable to depend upon overconfidence on the enemy team than to worry about it on my own.

Sona has a speed buff. Just sayin ;)

The reason I like playing Sona more than a support Zilean is the heal. Early game can still poke, but I can usually keep a good AD carry in lane and racking up CS way better than a Zil could.

My favourite "support" is Blitzcrank. He's just so funny and nobody plays him anymore and thus don't usually dodge the grab that well.

My friend has been playing him lately with actually a fair amount of success.  The ganks that are possible by me playing someone kind of bursty, him playing blitzcrank, and pulling into turret ranges is hilarious and actually surprisingly effective at our level.

I f'ing hate playing against blitzcrank. That stupid pull always gets me in trouble.

I just had some really good games as Shyvana (Dominion and SR jungle). Generally she's still way too dependent on the enemy obliging her by not kiting too much, but I think I found the (SR) build that works for me:

http://leaguecraft.com/builder/Shyvana/?items=111,117,15,62,11,104&level=18

I basically went tanky with W as the main damage dealer. AS did not work out for me as she usually doesn't get that many attacks in small engagements, and in team fights the default AS is good enough to keep her W's duration at maximum.

Line of the night from an 0/10 Caitlyn: "Vote yes on the next surrender or I'll start feeding"  o_O

Every Cait I've played with recently has been completely worthless.   Only one that finished positive had Shen saving her ass all of the time and we were able to carry her. 

Was your cait allowed mid? was he allowed bottom with a support champion? if either is a no, cue feeding.

I don't understand how you can have 0 kills as Cait or Ashe. You don't have to be anywhere close to get kills. You can hang on the periphery and wait for some foolhardy twat like me to wander in with 1/4 health and ping someone to death from just inside FOW range. You have to suck really hard to do that.

I tried Teemo last night. 5 kills, lots of deaths. I'm pretty sure I was doing it wrong but at least I got some experience with him. I want to try Olaf next.

Teemo is IMO best used as an AP caster, because he's hella squishy and has short autoattack range. Start out with Rylai's and CDR and then go nuts getting more AP. Plant shrooms satellites everywhere and try to herd your team to fight so the enemy gets caught by them.  

Top with Lux.  They picked it.  I think they were dual queued.  I offered mid, but she declined.  They were up against a Dinger and Panth.  Bot lane got destroyed too.  I'm not sure how a GP manages to die 14 times in a game.  Eat some goddamn oranges.

Things at this level don't match up well to the current meta game. 

Wait, Cait was paired up with LUX against a melee like Panth and got 0 kills? Did she at least get any assists? That pair should be able to do something since neither has to get close and you know Panth is going to be leaping in - where he should be immediately snared by Lux while Cait runs back and plinks the shit out of him. The mind wobbles.

Pant leaps on cait, heimer stuns cait with grenade, dead cait. Two squish in a high damage double stun lane, yeah you didnt expect them to feed because?

She had a partner?  She was told it would be better to switch? Someone has to take the lane?  You're assuming people might play a little more cautiously once they die a couple times?

Lux didn't feed (comparatively) and actually had a few kills.  I imagine most were trades when Cait bought it, however.  Cait ran around like a idiot most of the time.  Low health? I'll go see what's in that bush.   Team's going back? I'll get in another autoattack on that Panth!  

I'm guessing that Cait isn't going to work at my level where you don't have support, players are largely terrible, and where self preservation takes a back seat to autoattacking creeps.  Only way I have any hope that a Caitlyn will be decent?  They have a skin.

edit (to add a story, less Cait gripe).
2 nights ago had an Olaf go 2/12 last night and basically throw the game.  The clueless Leona didn't help.  Her strategy was to run up to anything and basically hit every skill she had in random order.  I'm not sure how she didn't die more, she never seemed to have a clue where she was.  The Olaf.. man... just run up everything and facecheck the shit out of it.  Warmogs and a giant's belt don't save you from trying to gank a full health champ surrounded by 4 other enemy champs.   I was 11/3 on GP, our annie was like 10/5 and Talon was something like 14/7.  Bugged the hell out of me to lose that one.

My Gragas is steadily improving.  His poke is just unreal at times.

Oh god, just had a game with a douchebag who did nothing but buy shoes and then ragequit. He kept whining the whole time too.

The fact that she thinks a lux/cait lane will work out well means she doesn't have a clue lolz. And no i don't think at any level of play beyond 1400 elo where "die once hug tower" computes to a valid strategy. of course in that elo "losing slowly despite not being 1/11/4" is perfectly possible because your zoned and losing towers, but meh, who cares? A feeder isn't the end of the game, its the team reaction to a low skilled player that is. Unless its trolling (lolz buy every boot in the game lolz lolz) you can manage. Especially at the level of play where a gangplank goes x/14/x.

I'm guessing the oalf and leona game was mostly dew to them going "i'm going to taaaaaaaank" and your team going "meh your reeeeeeeetarded" and neither side budging on when and where is right to initiate.

edit: On second thought, not really worth discussing anymore.   Take my assessments at face value.  People can just be game-wrecking bad pre-30 as I'm sure they can when you're 30 as well.  Is there a hidden elo system (for match making purposes)  in place at all pre-30 or even at 30 if you're not playing ranked?

Yes, there is a hidden elo system.

I would not call it a "system".  :awesome_for_real:

Basically, after you have won a few games in a row, the matchmaker is going to pair you with more and more unexperienced players or set you up against more and more experienced players until you lose a few games in a row, rince and repeat.  :grin:

But there is a hidden elo. I believe at some point during beta you could find out what it was by looking at a file on your PC.

Call it what you want. Thats how it works.  :grin:

Sounds like ascribing malice to the RNG to me.

Well, we *are* gamers after all, we have a long history of personifying random numbers.

6 is a really nice guy.

I hear 7 is a cannibal though.

Yooooouuuuuu...

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I don't even....      :ye_gods:

How long did your game last?

surrender at 20.  We had something like 10 deaths in the first 6 minutes, and 20 by the first 10, and then it just got silly. I tried til the end just because what the hell, but it was clear when  Katarina and Yi were dying over and over that we were hosed, very early.   

sorry bro, who was laning where. you guys had a major health bar (relative to the enemies team health, they could lap you in damage taken nearly 3 times) problem with very little in cc to boot, must have been much more painful then it sounds.

Holy fucking shit, that is awful.

Teemo must've had the astronaut skin.  :ye_gods:

The fuck, how is that even possible?

Yeah, the Veigar had a tank selected then switch to Veigar just as the time expired for character selection.  It was just a mess from the beginning. Looking back Katarina might have been intentionally feeding, but I don't think Yi was.

A Yi should not even be close to having a score like that without intentionally feeding. You have to be SUPER BAD to get a score like that as Yi especially with that buildout mixed with that CS. The Kat probably was feeding - there's no reason I can fathom for her first item to be a Zeal. She doesn't need AS, she needs AP, or AD if you don't really understand her yet. I tried doing an AS build with her once and it made no sense.

Riven has more last hits then the entire other team combined.  She deserves her score.  :awesome_for_real:

It really spiraled out of control quickly because Yi and Katarina were in the same lane v. Riven and Teemo, so both of them got fed really really early, and it of course snowballed.  Never seen anything like it in that short a time frame, sure I've seen fed people take over games, but not to this degree.  Oh well.

It turns out lots of people just aren't very good at the game. All this speculation about intentional feeding and Harsh Judgment gets a bit much.

But why are they always on my team ?  :awesome_for_real:

They gotta be on someone's team!

But more srsly, observer bias in online game players seems to suggest to them that when they dominate their lane it is because they are awesome, whereas when one of their teammates is dominated in lane, it is because the teammate sucks.

I dominated in a lane with Annie against a Garen and Graves combo tonight. But I really think it was because the Garen was really bad, super aggressive early on and we had 5 kills to their 1 within the first 6 minutes. I didn't do bad with the Xin Zhao (had two great games with him in a row) but the Garen really fed me early. The second game I was getting popped early by a LeBlanc/Fiddlesticks combo (though me and the Rammus with me did get Fiddle 3 times early) so had to switch to top lane where I got my groove on.

I did really well in a lane with two stuns and they had none  :awesome_for_real: Seriously its not magic or feeding, bad laning (i.e being unable to decide who should go where verses who) = lose, whether it be dramatic 1/10 being the average kdr of the team in the first 10 minutes, or slow burning "lose farm, lose xp, 2 uncontested dragons, gg" the lion share of loses usually come from that single(or multiple) sources of failure. Oh and baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad team composition. The unholy trinity of elo hell is -> bad team composition, bad laning (i.e tryndemere, gangplank lane...), and bad attitudes ("zomg first blood fucking noob" generally doesn't encourage stellar play just saying) are the number one way of losing way before a real troll fucks your game. Hell if you manage to lose a game without the last part being a factor your no longer in elo hell, you just got stomped by a smarter player(s).

RNG's been kind me to lately.  On a pretty good tear after a pretty nasty losing streak.  All Gragas/GP.  8 wins, 1 loss and that one loss I played pretty well in.  I think I'm past being embarrassing with Gragas and now just being "a little derpy at times, but otherwise, solid".    Ran up to a team fight and saw the entire enemy team clumped in the river near top lane.  Barrel + cask and we ended up with an ace (I got 3 of the kills).   Had a really nice combo earlier in the game when I got a Jax low next to his tower.  Tossed a barrel at his feet, but didn't detonate it, he backed up, I dove the tower, and ulti'd him back onto the barrel.   :awesome_for_real:  Boots, double dorans, then rush deathcap is just really strong.

I want to have barrels of fun..with gargas.

Gragas Esq. + Gentlemen chogath = classy lane.   

On a classy note, is there any counterpick to solo top Cho? Any reasonably good Cho seems just a complete bear to play against.

Not sure.   I usually play as him., not against him. :grin:

Seriously though, hes just really solid.  Something ranged is probably better than melee.

I've played against him as Singed and done fine. Nasus is probably solid.

Now I can start raiding...

Your w/l is soooo much better than mine.  

edit: Yay, back to even. 88/88.

Chogath can be harassed out of the lane without much difficulty. Unless your playing a cho who is intent on harassing you out of the lane, which very few chogaths players do. The trick to cho? Squishy little beast starting at level 1-6, he gets too close and he is an exhaust away from feeding. The problem with cho, he only doesn't need items. So you can zone him all you want, he doesn't need a quarter of the gold you do to start snowballing (assuming runes and masteries are proper). He also can passively farm with rupter even if your zoning him.

:awesome_for_real: Because I'm juvenile:

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Cho farms better than most champions, which means harassing him when he can't use his skills is often the best choice, in addition to the weak early game DL mentioned. Or you can pick a hero that scales better than he does and farm all game, though that doesn't stop the Cho from using his skills to harass you, especially vorpal spikes. Really, the best bet is to get a jungle gank, he has poor escapes.

I just used my newfound lvl 30 summoner powers to go judge some cases.

Geez, you jerks make it easy on us. Two times, I was like: "This guy is a little jerky, but maybe nothing worth...oh, great, you just started making racist jokes about mexicans. Thanks!"

THANK YOU SO MUCH for pointing out to me that they already enabled this.  :awesome_for_real: :awesome_for_real: :awesome_for_real:

It farms IP faster than playing games!

By the way, my first 10 judgments: all punish.

That said, it seems like all the cases are of people who have at least 3 reported games, so you're getting some real jerks.

I did the max number of cases for the first few days, and gave out a punish every time.  Towards the end of it I was wondering if I was being too harsh and I tried to let up, but holy fuck, guys with ten, fifteen game long rap sheets being complete dicks in all of them were inhabiting the classy end of the spectrum.  I had one from a guy claiming in chat he was a Riot employee and going to permaban everyone who killed him before spending the rest of the game spewing racist slurs and whining at his teammates, for three games.

It was kind of depressing getting that little "your judgements have been validated on two whole cases" e-mail.  Like, what happened to the others?  Are people seriously looking at this stuff and going "meh, sure there's ten games full of this guy screaming about how Hitler was right, but he seems like a good guy, so I'll let it slide this time.  Just don't do it ten more times, or there'll be trouble!"

Mine too.  :heart:

I'm sure it's more like "I see no problem with this completely normal, community-tolerated behaviour -- he's just raging, it's cool!"

I'm glad somebody reads my reports, though!

Well, finally on a decent ranked run. Even won a game we were 4 on 5 after level 3. Dude just disappeared and never returned, luckily we played well, focused, and got them to start fighting amongst themselves. Other than that, been playing non-stop Phoenix Udyr and Sona (stupid nerf...ugh) and playing damn well.

This patch is going to mix shit up big time. Interested to see who gets broken by it.

I am on an epic losing streak, and have dropped below .500 for the first time in ages. Mostly not my fault, but just had a game as Maokai and played pretty terribly in a 1v2 lane top against GP/Fizz. The game went 70 minutes because the other team just could not figure out how to push our base, despite having two inhibs down for the majority of the game (we had one tower on the nexus for like the last 15 minutes.)

Do you have LoLRecorder? Can you record a good phoenix udyr game? I am at best, harmless with him.

Also, the days of 10 mastery slots being enough are so over.

I think the problem is you playing Maokai, who is the most poinless champ in the game. I'd rather have a heimdinger...

I don't, but I will try to install it tonight. Here is the jist of it:

The masteries are totally different now, but I was 1/12/17 or something like that (Movespeed on Udyr is key due to his kitability)

Movespeed quints, Attack speed reds, dodge yellows, MR/lvl blues

Start with Cloth Armor and 5 HPs. If you have competent team, have them help DPS the wolves for you THEN leash the blue. Most the time, that seems more than the average LoL team can handle so I just get a blue leash. ---- on to wraiths, golems, and red and port home   - skill order RWRE - Buy boots, 2 HP, and a sight ward.

Sometimes if the lane that double golems are at is vulnerable to my gank, I just go for it without bear or boots, just to get them to burn flash. Most the time not.

Phoenix cooks down the jungle, I always end up doing a bit of counter jungling and stealing. My main build order is (maybe was after mastery changes)

Cloth 2 HP

Boots ---2 HP --- Sight Ward

Heart of Gold

Wit's End (this is key, can be swapped with HoG in order if you land a gank or two)

Sunfire Cape

Force of Nature

At this point you are a near unkillable AoE machine, with sub par damage but enough with phoenix procs/SF cape/bear stuns to be useful. DPS soak with your high armor/MR/shield. Turret dive with bear to help secure kills. In general, be an annoying fucker stunning and chasing down everyone. Mid/late game cook down lanes to keep that build going.

If it gets further, build your Randuin's omen and (it never gets this far) Tri-Force.

Also, I try to give my mid all blues buffs after the first.

Yeah he's pretty underwhelming, but he's fun to play.

The higher up in level I get, the worse the community gets.  Jesus fucking christ what a bunch of asshats. 

I think "The community gets better at level 30 / 1400+ ELO / 1500+ ELO" etc. is just something people tell themselves so they don't get frustrated and quit.  I've watched 2k ELO streams where they still get team-mates who troll them.

Any players I don't know personally, I consider enemies. Even if they're on the same team.

I've hit some sort of civil pocket.  But I've been winning lately.  Even my lone loss (in about a week now?) was  not that bad.  I avoided getting pissed off at the useless Shaco in my lane.  Granted it was a nightmare lane as it was me (as GP) and Shaco v. a Blitzcrank and Kog'maw that were both decent players.   Guy just literally did nothing but stand there and occasionally get grabbed.  Should have told him to just go gank other lanes, but I was too busy dodging fists and cowering by my tower.   I don't think I saw him deceive the entire game.  He had a skin too, so you'd expect he'd like.. do something.  Not a big deal and it wasn't that bad of a steamroll (I was getting track towards the end), but we just couldn't get it together as a team and surrendered rather early once we saw we our comp wasn't going to hurt them at all.

Immediately followed that with a semi-epic 1 hour long game.  GP (me), Fiddle, Akali, Shyvana, Brand  (four Koreans and me) v.  Garen, Brand, Fizz, Cho, Sona. Heh, looking at the lolstatistics of the game: the four Koreans on my team queued together and the Sona/Cho/Garen were queued together.  We had a jungler (Fiddle) and they did not.  So, I got bot (wtf) solo lane v. Garen and Fizz.  I got beat the hell down for most of that.  Only died twice in lane, but it wasn't easy.  The Garen was pretty goddamn decent.   Anytime I died they just ran around destroying my team.  The jungler was absolutely useless.  He went 3/17 and all he ever did was crow storm and die hard when they were grouped.   Our top lane got beat up pretty hard too, although Akali did pick up some kills.  So, a bit in, I cede the tower so I can take myself out of that situation and do more roaming/jungle.

Well, I decided to play tank, since it seemed like my team was getting vaporized in lane.  The Garen was snowballing so I had to mostly account for him.  My end build looked like tabi, warmogs,  atmas, fon, triforce and thornmail.  I started off with wriggles but sold that around the time I got my triforce.  The thornmail was complete overkill  (Garen couldn't kill me at the point where I got it) and I probably should have built a banshee's, GA or a damage item. Maybe a maldred's due to the Cho stacking warmogs.  Killing him was an exercise in patience.  

The end result was winning a game where we were 10 kills below them, and other teams probably would have surrendered a lot earlier.  But, they didn't really threaten beyond taking down one inhib turret.  We got our shit together, controlled Baron, dragon, and all jungle buffs.  Won teamfights despite Akali, dragon lady, and Fiddle doing a lot of derpy shit and being very squishy (until very late).  Warded, did better on trades, poked well,  and managed to negate a Garen that went 26/4/X (kind of glad he was their superstar, Garen seems to fade no matter how ridiculously he's fed).   We pushed really well towards the end and just kept the pressure up enough until they couldn't burst us down. The end win moment was great, with Garen chasing me halfway across the map while my team took down the last two towers and nexus behind him.  :awesome_for_real:   I didn't even end up positive, but 4/5/18 felt like carrying in this situation.  

I still have an ungodly amount of matches decided by a disconnect or leave.  Very demoralizing.

Been lucky and have mostly avoided that for a while.  But a week ago, it seemed like 50% of my games had at least one early disconnect.

So in order to test out the judging thing, I didn't judge any more than the initial 10.

The day after, I did get a message which was: "We have affirmed your judgment on...2 of the cases."

But now it's up to 9, so I feel pretty reassured by the process.

Some Twitch went off on me last night because I interrupted his pentakill.  I'm not sure I can parse out that info and process it while we're rushing to stop a team from doing a desperation Baron.  Plus, barrels... they hit hard.  I don't think it's in my mindset either to just NOT kill someone when I'm playing a non-support.

I found it pretty amusing, but he was actually very upset. Twitch players are an odd bunch. 

Eh, when I hear QUADRA KILL I usually just let the Vayne or whatever try for it. I'm not saying I blame you (or him for being salty), but it is the cool thing to do.

I actually didn't even hear it.  And what's weird is that I got a kill while they still had someone up. Mine might have been the first.  /ssssssssssssshrug

I've gotten grief for kill stealing from time to time , but frankly, I'm much more interesting in 100% getting the kill that stroking someone's epeen.  Yeah, if its our AD carry I'll try to let them get the killing blow because they need the gold a lot, but its seems to me better to definitely get the kill and have them get the gold for the assist that it is to try to let them get the kill shot only to have the guy burn his flash and get away.

I can safely say I don't envision a time where I one gram of fuck will be given by me over who gets the kill so long as the motherfucker is dead.

 I think this was already covered, but when going support, it can be important to not ks, especially if there's a bunch of assisters.  You should feel no shame in firing away in any uncertain case, but there are times when summoners are down or it's clear they're not just getting away, and in that case, picking up a kill is kinda bad for your team.

That said, people whine about ks's about 10 times more than necessary.

This is true, but lets face it, most people are just cranky their KD ratio is going to be a little lower.

Welp, I've reached level 20 and started the process of getting my runes. I didn't realize level 20 started with new Quints.

Can I just say, Blitz's reach is just way too fucking long.

Margalis is a saint for putting up with my first 2 attempts at jungling (with Noct, who I never used as well  :awesome_for_real:). Oy, that was rough.  Plus, I got the nice side affect of his secret elo + level bump.  

Second game was pretty funny.  We were losing badly at first and I was taking shit from our useless Kayle.  To be fair, I was getting caught like a retard over and over and the game went straight to giant blob v. blob before I could get much ganking in. Noct doesn't seem particularly useful pre-6.   Toward the end we started coming ahead in the trades.  Then their Trundle DCs, Marg (LeBlanc) initiates and we roll over them.  We pretty much stayed in their base and won without previously having any inhib turret down.  I even managed to be useful at the end (I think).  Marg carried hard, Nasus was good, bot lane.. EH.  The jungle Trundle was schooling me pretty hard.  

May actually try it some more.  I like the jungling champs, I'm just not the most gankery person around.  Need to work on that.

I know it may not seem so, but nocturne's ganks are pretty A-class, even pre 6.  You just have to catch an overextended lane, duskbringer, shield if it's important, fear, and done. As it so happens, just as they start realizing they needs wards to protect against you, you're just going to show them exactly how far you can initiate a gank from.

The #1 ganking tip, for all champs, everywhere. Target-ping your gank (and maybe throw in a "coming top") while you're on your way there. Cuts down "Hey, laner, you want to come over here and help?" so much.

I've been doing FOTM Jungle Maokai, and he's fun and powerful (and also makes the wolves + blue super start hella easy). He'll never quite carry you out of a game, but if you've got some good carries on your team already, he protects and peels like nobody's business.

I played with a jungle Maok recently that I'm sure would make you reconsider this statement.  :oh_i_see:  His ganks were really, really good and by mid game he was unstoppable just diving and killing any squishies that got near him.

I'm really tempted to try him and learn him since I've been playing almost 100% jungle lately.

I played 3 games with Kog'Maw yesterday. Holy shit, is he an amazing carry. I'd played him before but forget just how good he can be (and I've learned things since then). He is the definition of carry - a little easy to kill early on but still even by level 3 or 4, he's not somebody to overextend on. I don't even mind dying because of his kamikaze explosion passive. Even when I didn't get a positive k/d ratio, I still felt like my damage was hugely instrumental in winning the game.

A game I had last night started with someone on my friends' list that I don't even remember adding. I think it might have been someone not from here who added me after a game. I started top lane with a Nocturne who didn't really seem all that good. The guy who invited me was playing Brand mid-lane and somewhere around level 15 he DCed and never came back. We had gotten one turret down by this time but had lost one so I figured we were hosed. Somehow we pulled it together and started ganking though it felt very much like a stalemate. Finally I started ninjaing turrets top, whittling them down just the turrets in the base. Then we started going to town. We took down Baron and started rolling along and they just couldn't stop us, even with the man advantage. We even got the point where the nexus was about 4 hits from dead and retreated to get some more kills. Finally we pushed and killed the nexus to win. I ended up with 10/7/2 which I didn't mind at all because most of my kills were late AFTER we were down a man. Kog really is just a beast with AS gear.

I'll give that a shot.  Don't know if I'll keep a the jungling.  Taking endless shit from your team because you're the only one that actually is sick of the no-jungler, pre-30 meta and didn't instalock a ranged carry can be a bit infuriating.  I suppose though, that once I get red buff, I could easily gank bot if they haven't died yet.  :awesome_for_real:

Also, somehow I've turned into the "TEAM FIGHT TIME!!! INIT ONTO SQUISHY. GO GO GO GO.     Where the fuck did my team go..  <grey screen>" guy.  This could also be a product of never having a tank around.

Oh, was he building AP? I've been doing pretty tanky builds so far. And you can definitely mess up a squishies day with your combo, for sure.

Ive spent the last few play sessions trying out jungle Rammus. I know that someone(s?) here play a decent amount of Jungle Rammus, and I'm curious about your item build. I've been following one I found online that is something like Cloth Armor + 5 pots, Heart of Gold, Merc Tread, (those 2 get jumbled around based on how my ganks go) then Guardian Angel, Sunfire, and a Randurian Omen. I feel like I spend way to much of the midgame with a subpar loadout setting up a lategame that I often never end up arriving at.

It can often be worth getting a philostone as well depending on how the game is going. I think you might be suffering an issue that is common to most junglers - junglers naturally fall behind on exp and money. There's not much you can do about it except continue to help your laners.

I think you have to judge a game on how aggressive/crazy it's going to be. How pressured is your top? Does this game seem like a farm fest, or is it going to be over in 25?

Philo stone can work on rammus (especially if you're going ninja tabi, eleisa) But it slows you down.

GA...I'm dubious of that. If they focus you first, you've already won. And if they focus down a GA'd Rammus first? Well, they deserve what's coming.

I look at Aegis and Randuin (or Banshee) as first big items. (Banshee seems weird, but can be a nice way of avoiding getting CC'd on your initiation, and gives good sustain if you get it early enough.)

I would go philo stone and build it into Reverie at some point. Powerball + reverie is ridiculous for catching people.

I like Reverie as much as the next person, but I'd rather my support build it.

I play a fair amount of jungle Rammus, my core build is almost always - Cloth Armor + 5 pot, Boots, Philo Stone, Heart of Gold, Boots 2, Reverie, Omen.

I've been having really, really good luck with Guardian Angel early lately too.  Sunfire and Banshees are pretty common for me as well.

I'm about ready to quit this game.  I'm finally good enough that I can't fucking stand idiots, and I'm not quite level 30 and I honestly don't know if I have the patience to grind through enough games to get there.  God fucking damn it there are so many people that have the shittiest fucking map awareness.

You can start playing ranked games before 30 (unless they changed it again?), so unless you really think you need that last quintessence slot or whatever, there's no particular reason to think you're ever going to be in a position to get better teammates than the ones you can get now.

Play once a day.

Hmm, this might be right.  Since I've got the long weekend I've been playing a bunch of games when normally I wouldn't, I wonder if this has to do with my low tolerance.

I've cut back to one game a day, or two if I lose the first one.  Working out well.

If I want to try out some new champ I'll start with a bot game as well.  Much lower frustration levels now.

I only have time for 2 or 3 a day.  Helps keeps the aggravation down.  

My games last week were pretty tough at times and thus I started to lose a bit and my ratios weren't great.  Then this week came and it's back to derpy players and games plagued by trolls, afkers and leaves.   But wins and carrying hard.  I liked two weeks ago when I couldn't lose and I had no idea why.

I have a new strategy for coping with playing crappy.  Pick Ryze, randomly mash buttons, and watch the sparklies fly. Shit, he's even effective on my parents horrible PC.

*clacks blood-stained pincers*

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Game before that was only 13-1. I just started with superfast clear (anybody who can do wolves/blue gets a big boost imho), and then started picking on the Warwick majorly. The rest was just slicing people up.

I'd totally buy Skarner this minute, but I'm gonna wait till the remake comes out to judge it.

I haven't jumped into the jungle game yet as I want to start with Fiddle and I need a bit more umph to do it justice.  Hoping the changes open it up and I don't have to wait for more dedicated rune slots and mastery points.

Then again I expect everyone and their dog will want to jungle after the changes.

Support typically uses Reverie to either run from lost battles or pursue after won ones. Rammus can use it to gank and initiate small battle where often support won't even be around.

Man, I just took endless shit in a game from yet another psychotic Shaco.  Mainly because I forgot to call MIA when Karthus left lane while I was backing and he killed Shaco (happened in like 5 seconds, so probably faster than I would have typed it anyhow). Then my e hit some creeps (it does that) during a gank, and he went apeshit.  His friend, the laning Rammus, decided to shit talk me after I put Shaco on ignore.  Fun times.  Funny it was in..  

 

They ran out of interesting stuff to stay.  Those guys sure loved to stand in Karthus' AOE.  Shaco's KD only went decent when we were pushing into base, he was mostly KSing my combos.   :awesome_for_real:  Seems like every bad Shaco is immediately on your ass whenever he dies.  IT WAS UR FAULT, RYZE.

edit: Heh, I don't think I've lost with Ryze yet.  Not a huge same size, however.  Maybe 6-8 games.

Aww, on the way to 14-1, somebody said: "Everytime I've played with you, you've been an awesome jungler."   :heart:

The thing about Skarner, is that if he gets any kills early, he just becomes supertough. Like you don't even have to build super tanky, (I'm doing wriggles/merc/sheen/trinity) because his stats are so naturally good. I spent a good 2 or 3 minutes just bullying people around in their jungle.

I think I'm going to start queue dodging anyone with a blatantly racist name, they're almost always terrible players.  I almost feel like applying this to player names that advertise how much weed they smoke, but they can be decent from time to time.  Also, dodging any instalock Eves. 

Don't forget players with lots of random numbers after their name.

There will be no one left.

Much better off turning it into a drinking game instead.

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Game starts, I pick jungle trundle.

Moments later, shaco picks jungle shaco.

hilarity ensues.

I spent most of the match solo topping dropping out every so often to take red. Shaco pretty much just roamed the entire map hurting people and making their life hell.

Turns out, trundle can stay in lane for a long long time, and he last hits easily thanks to his q skill. add the occasional smite gold and I was well farmed by 20 minutes.

You know how we are always saying the game is biased towards passive play....why the hell is this apparently a secret to people?  I have so many people yell at me for being passive.  Jesus fucking christ, we don't NEED to initiate a fight every fucking time we CAN.

Karthus is fucking annoying.  So is a 1/15 Garen on your team that has 50 minion kills in a nearly hour long game.  One of the only games I think I've lost where we had a lead in K/D throughout most of the game.  :argh:


edit:

Just had one of those classic "team goes apeshit on you for no reason" games.  Recap of lovely convo below.  It was fun. 

Cass: "Why didn't you ult?"

me: "wasn't up"

Fizz: "It's up right now, we can see it"

me: "nope, it's not up."

Cass: "We see a green dot. You're so fucking bad."

me: "says 22 seconds still, it's not up. I used it on Tryst and Trynd (level 30, 1450 elo in a game with noobs.. heh) before we got owned."

Fizz: "you fucking suck, wu"

me: "k, going on ignore"

Sona: "Why because she's right?"

me: "You guys seriously want to keep going on about this?"

Put the entire team on ignore. It's kind of funny to go full retard on a guy that's staring at his ult NOT BEING UP.

So, I trolled them a little bit (tried a backdoor that had no chance of working). Died. Got a soda.  Built tankier since they were all made of paper.  Solo'd Yi when he tried to backdoor us.  Ran down middle.  Won game.  Yay.  :uhrr:

That's a LoL rule to keep if you ask me.

So, is the community in this game just made up entirely of assholes? 

I've played around with bots, and the game is fun enough, but the idea of putting up with a continuous stream of petulant, foul mouthed man-children doesn't seem very appealing.

The community is shit.

Just get good with a few guys and then you get to listen at everyone bitching at each other. Find a role or two you like and master it. I've never ignored anyone, but that's just cause I could give a fuck what they think or say.

You also aren't paying attention to what people say in chat most of the time.  :grin:

Well, I'd say I get a few games a week that are ruined by bad behavior, and I run anywhere from 15-30 games a week (2-3 a night normally).  I have about 230 games of SR played against people (just 2 co-op) and maybe have less than 20 people on my ignore list.  

Your odds of getting a raging troll on your team are about 33% at my level/hidden elo (lvl 26).  There's a decent chance they won't ruin things.  There's, however, a 100% chance they'll shit on you if you're trying something you're not great at.  In this scenario your team WILL blame you for the loss, which is possibly accurate (big fucking deal, right?).   There's not enough live and let live.

I'm really not a people person; you could even say I'm a bit spergie.  I'm not very competitive either, but SR against people is the way it's meant to be played.  It's a fun enough experience at this level that I can mostly deal with the community.

Hell, the most popular streamer around is a raging, douchebag kid.  He constantly shits on and trolls his teams, yet people still tune in.  So, that's the community for you.  It's nice there's some generally decent folk streaming to counter balance this, but the scene is skewed a bit toward the ragey, socially inept kid.  

Better than HoN's community, I imagine.
  

So, turns out - Garen rocks mid when facing Ryze :awesome_for_real: And also against Nunu solo top. And holds his own against Nasus solo top. And when unsuspecting Teemos run into a bush face first. Same when Annie does so. I don't think I'll ever play another character in LoL from now on :P

DEMAAAAACIA!

How did you ever get close enough to even touch Ryze, or Nunu when Nunu didn't want to be touched?  :|

My experience with Garen was just that he's an underwhelming damage dealer with modest mobility.

First time playing in months and months but managed to pull off a nice save with Janaa. Our bear was down to like 15% and retreating from 3 enemies along bot lane. Shielded him, whirlwind. We put some distance and 2 of the 3 gave up but the enemy bear, at like 3/4 health, kept chasing. My bear would stop and fight (gah), then remember he was super low health then run while I was desperately shielding, slowing, whirlwinding trying to keep him alive. Teammates showed up killed the enemy bear and then we had a great push down the bot lane taking down two towers.

Damn it's like the only thing anybody plays anymore is melee DPS.

Which is frustrating, since I mostly play Renekton. Karthus and Sivir, my new best friends?

Yes, the LoL community is full of spergy, Tourette's addled cockslapping titmice, convinced of their own elite skills while happily ready to shit upon your lack of skills from their high perch atop Douche Mountain. However, it is 50 billion times better than the Heroes of Newerth community. And I can say that I've had a decent number of games with really friendly, helpful people. Not a 1:1 ratio mind you, but still better than none.

Man, I played some derpy Gragas tonight.  Nothing like being unable to kill a low HP Nasus because you forgot to ignite and missed both your fat-man charge and barrel.  Luckily Margalis (Trist) carried like a boss, and I did manage to eventually remove my head from my ass. Managed to piss off Singed too when he misinterpreted my helping him as a "go time".  Gragas sans mana was just helping you escape (course, it was Singed, he was going to be fine), angry ADHD kid.

When I'm not playing great, I should probably opt for Ryze. All skillshots and playing like ass makes you feel like a jerk.

edit: Scores weren't bad, but bleh, can play better.

What elo hell do you reside.

I play only unranked games :) Also, Flash, Bushes, Deception, Timing.

Had a game at lunch with a truly execrable player today at lunch. Pop into the queue, pick Twitch and lock in. The team builds around Twisted Fate, Corki, Volibear and Gangplank so I'm thinking great... I won't have to mid with Twitch (I did so last night and got utterly owned by a Teemo). The Corki starts bitching at the Twisted Fate that his spell selection was wrong (dude took heal then switched to clarity). He continued bitching at Fate incessantly as we started the game. When I went bot with Gangplank, he told me to go mid and since no one else was, I figured, why not. That left Gangplank solo bot - which would have been fine but the player down there wasn't really very comfortable with that. As a result, he feeds the Xin Zhao/Morgana combo down there. I find myself mid-laned against a Teemo and think "Goddamnit, a repeat of last night." Only this Teemo wasn't very good and thanks to Corki's help, I killed him 3 times before he finally switched lanes with the Morgana who was terrible with her snare skill shot (she got better).

Meanwhile, the Fate/Volibear combo up top wasn't doing too much better. Corki meanwhile was jungling and helping me gank mid-lane but CONSTANTLY bitching. I don't even know how he played the game as there was always something from him coming in the chat box. He just harangued Fate about his choices, calling him noob, saying he was feeding, etc. Just being a vile little dickshit. And we start losing. Gangplank wants to pack it in, Corki is convinced we've lost and thinks I'm the only competent player on the team (which is HILARIOUS!). And then the racist shit comes out. I kept my mouth shut until then, before finally telling him that bitch whining was bad enough but he needed to stop being a racist twat. By the time all our outer turrets are down, he wants to surrender. But he's pissed off the Fate player so bad, Fate REFUSES to surrender just to spite the guy. Gangplank is whining that he wants to go play Batman until he finally just DC's (I suspect he just ragequit). Finally with only 4 players, Fate's 1 vote can't stop the surrender anymore and I am relieved of having to listen to this shithead anymore. I did report him, though I doubt it'll do shit.

I had a decent game owning some face with Twitch that was utterly ruined by this complete tosspot.

I have a rule that I immediately ignore any player who bitches about someone else before the game even starts.

Just played a game where the only time the Lux, Shaco, and Morgana said something in English it was to insult me or the Gangplank.   It was kind of funny.  Bunch of blocked out Korean text followed by a "stupid monkey".  

1/7 Morg and a 4/8 Lux.  Korean Shaco went 7/6 but didn't gank my lane a single time even thought it was never pushed.  They always ran around face checking brush and dying these ridiculous deaths.  Then out came the insults.  

Constant stream of bad teams.  Early advantages that turn into nothing because typically the worst player on the team has been the AD carry, so we just get worked at the end.  Bleh.

edit: bad AD carry may just be a symptom of bad team play in general.  They focus ours.. but hell if we're going to take out the biggest threat.  And by all means, farm away.  ADFJSKDFJSKLJDSFL I think I might have to smurf tonight to prevent myself from jumping off my roof.

I've started pretending all my teammates are just bots in every game I play (works really well in the actual bot-games), so I ignore any and all chat-speak because I know bots can't chat so anything they say must obviously just be my imagination run wild.

But what if your subconscious is trying to tell you something important, and just using the bots as a conduit for revelation?

So I'm really not a fan of brutally enforcing the meta, or optimal laning, or dissing hero picks or whatever -- especially not as I grind my account back up to 30 playing non-ranked games. But when your team insists on putting their ad carry (Sivir: me) in the same lane as Heimerdinger, and when I tell them 'okay but when I have crappy cs later and can't carry don't blame me'... I expect them to at least have the kind of basic ape-memory necessary so that when 25 minutes later the Heimer has fed Fizz to the gills and I have 30-40cs less than I would have otherwise (though still more than their Teemo)... maybe they shouldn't blame me for the loss?

Especially when I'm the only one with a positive k/d?

Reminds me of when I thought I'd be solo top in game as GP and instead I get put down bot with Trist.  

"Hey, it's cool, I'll play support for you."
"Ohh no, I'm not good with Trist yet, how about I support you?"
(Brain registers this as a loss).  

We abused our lane pretty hard, but it ended up not being worth it because we mostly split the CS and their Irelia got plenty of farm being paired with a 0 CS Soraka.

Trist got blamed hard for the loss, when really, her k/d only got bad when paired with our somewhat worthless teammates (who all lost their lanes really hard).  Her lack of comfort with Trist obviously led to some bad positioning and getting caught a few times.  Then after getting shit on by everyone but me, she kind of mentally packed it in and afk farmed the rest of the time.

edit: Heh, I think most of my recent losses (which haven't been much aside from this 4 game slide) have been when I don't get a lane to myself.  Lone exception are a couple semi-recent Ryze losses, but I'm something like 75%-80% win rate with him I'd estimate (since they don't give us real stats, heh).

Yay.  Streak broken.  Singed the slumpbuster.  I forgot how fun he is to play.  Don't care about kills, Trist took all my farm, so just gotta be annoying and tanky as all hell (3/1/27).

For what it's worth, the threshold of reports to get into the Tribunal has went way down: I'm seeing a bunch of 1 and 2 case files (before, it used to be mostly 4-7 cases). And apparently, the number of bans before permaban has been lowered too.

The only thing I still use my original 30 account for is the Tribunal stuff, which I have to say I find quite enjoyable. Except that the captcha they use seems to have like a 35% fail rate.

Went from 1011 to 1303 in ranked solo que.

This was such a, um, game?  :uhrr:

So many questions raised by this scoreboard. (Oh, and our wonderfully useless Sion - he was solo top, Ashe and Swain were bot together.)

the 41/41 kills/deaths thing for both teams is kinda O.o

Also, 99 minutes?   :ye_gods:

On a related note, how do you like Jungle Evelyn?

Why not Lichbane, with that build?

So. Seven normal games (blind pick, solo queue) lost in a row with no chance of winning either. 5 of those in a row tonight.

But the EIGHT game will surely go my way.  :why_so_serious: *queues up for more torture*

Supportplank is pretty fun.


Team "boner4ur" were pretty damn awful.  I guess they were complaining about lag.  The Caitlyn I was babysitting, ohh man,  she was terrible.  Could tell that she's never played Cait before because Aces were hitting them at full health so they weren't up when I sent them running.  DEM BOOTS, WTF.

edit: I'm already tired of free Riven week.

Lol first thing I thought too. That being said, I've played with Thrawn: the man knows what he's doing.

Pretty sure Leblanc is going to be my introduction to the wonderful world of carries.  Blazed through a bunch of games today and did well on most, and the not-so-good ones I at least stayed above .500 in k/d.  I don't have a good point of reference but she seems to snowball pretty hard.  A couple of early kills and a Q-R-W combo is almost all of a squishies health.

When I see GP going for the gold items I start to worry.

Well, we probably would have been better off if I had just took as much CS as possible and built for damage.  But, it was done to fill a role (and largely just to try it).  I had no idea our Cait was new/clueless.  Just kind of walk back and forth Q'ing them and then firing off E when appropriate.   Ward up and look for opportunities to ult, while I go afk in the brush.

Not a huge fan of GP/10 top lane planks.  Some seem to do OK, but eh.  I used to build avarice blade on GP for a while, but tend to go more the wriggles route on my AD bruisers now.  Then either build tanky or build for fun.  

That's pretty easy to explain. Their end game health > your end game health.

I tried her 3 games last night. I can safely say she does rock. She can be a little squishy early or can rock hard if faced against morons. Hitting the E chain spell is difficult, but I find it's not really that important to the character if you miss it. The big one is knowing when to W-W in and out.

Riven on the other hand, I fucking hate Riven. I tried one game and was apparently the second best player on the team despite the fact I spent most of the game randomly mashing buttons like a fatfingered fuckhead because I couldn't figure out her Q. I managed 7 kills in a loss, including a 3 kill streak, mainly because of a really good Twisted Fate player on our team. The rest of the team was pretty scattershot and we lost. Then I played as Leblanc and won a game despite not having any clue how we did it. We had lost all our central turrets and they had two champs almost ready to hit our nexus when suddenly their nexus was down. The WORST GAREN EVER was on our team, continually dying to tower dives and spinning into 3 and 4 on 1's and dying. At one point he was like 0/7/1 and even I was getting pissed.

In eight games I think I cast the E about 10 times total.  Not sure how to use it.  I guess it's a good opener if you can hit it 100% of the time but I can't and wiffing it kinda tips your hand.

It's not bad if you're in a crowd, or if you can hit it the moment a melee tries to run out of combat with you. Otherwise, it's just gravy if you hit with it. I didn't seem to need it.

Just had an amazing game at lunch. Our team absolutely OWNED on SR. I wanted to try out Sion and had no real clue what I was doing but picked him up quick. I like him. I ended up with 5/3/5 and the team totals were like 23/5/23. Just INSANE. I think they surrendered shortly after the 20 minute mark after just getting destroyed. The worst part was that our Trynd kept getting DC'ed and we still rolled. I was top laning with a Kennen against a Trynd/Nunu combo that tried to be too aggressive early, died, then tried to hug the turret almost the rest of the game. It didn't work, as theirs was the 2nd turret down. I even killed a Kayle that came up along the river trying to get a gank in and ended up solo against the both of us. I don't know how the team was that bad, but they were bloody awful.

Riven is all about her stun skill actually. You need to time the q so you hit with it, get in an autoattack then q again, autoattack, w, then q again. Course you r before all that.

It would of been my next item replacing wriggles, I should of built it earlier but with the way the game ended up it wouldn't of mattered. I think I was Wrigges>Boots>Mejai>Sheen>Trinity>Rylias>Deathcap.  I probably should of done it maybe after Sheen instead of TF?  I wanted to get tankier though and near the end had cash to Deathcap and just grabbed it without thinking.  As someone else said they were too far ahead and so HP tanky we couldn't even come close to winning a fight by the end, Eve is so useless against a tanky team even as fed as I was.  Only reason the game went 50 minutes is because I kept picking off Corki and Annie in team fights and getting away.  I could barely kill Corki and I couldn't even get near Nasus/Vlad solo.


Would never play it again by choice unless they patch her.  In my opinion removing the stun from her stealth completely killed her.  She can get some ok ganks early, but mid-late game you are usually a melee range char with no tank who isn't good for much but picking off runners or people way out of position.

Was switching between characters last night and somewhat annoyed at having to redo masteries so often. I checked the store but they don't sell extra mastery pages. Such a dumb move on their part.
lol, just after I wrote this I just noticed the + button to add mastery pages.

My Miss Fortune needs much practice. Very embarrassing blunder when my mouse skipped a bit and my ult fired off to the side of the enemies rather than through the center. That's one of my biggest weaknesses in the game. I often have such a hard time keeping track of the cursor,my character and everyone else when a team fight breaks out and it's sparklies everywhere.

I was going to say something.  But I hadn't tested the upper limit on how many pages you could create.

Had a nice string tonight except for the game where I tried Soraka and my entire Korean team went afk 10 minutes in because they were having "connection problems".  Let's just say jungle Morde wasn't very effective.

Then just had a game that went 58 minutes, and I had to resort to 4 potting at the end just to spend my money.  Started off awful.  Or Irelia was feeding in a 2 v 1 (we had the 2).  My Ryze was getting skull fucked by Karthus (I seriously just get wrecked by him every time).  Bot was doing OK, but nothing great.  We got in a huge hole, 2 inhibs down and really far back in farm.   Luckily toward the end they didn't push as a team and were easy to catch.  Other than their Wukong, we destroyed them in team fights and took the only barons in the game.  Their scores went mostly negative, (their Koreans were BAAAD) except for Wukong and Karthus, and it just became a beat down.  Finished 18/11/15 (death record for me!) and was just wrecking with a full build at the end, and since I was the only AP, they didn't have a lot of MR.  It's a game I swear we were going to lose 30 minutes in.  We just got really tanky, and they just lost their shit.

:mob:

Sorry, could of typed it correctly but people understood it so it wouldn't of mattered.

Playing a smurf account is depressing. Every game seems to have multiple rage quits.

Edit: probably due to all the smurfs.  :why_so_serious:

Yeah, low level games are like 75% smurf.

I've become a big fan of Janna. Other than early game running dry on mana, it's surprisingly easy to get on the killboard and to push. I've come to the conclusion I play ranged hit and run better than melee.

Goddamn, Sion is just fucking awesomesauce. Even in games where I get downed or have muppets for teammates, I'm still able to get kills and survive and frustrate the fuck out of the other team. I've been playing him exclusively for the last three days and he just wrecks people. He tends to die a bit late game with the massive amounts of focused damage that can be put on him, but early game, he can get kills and push lanes, and even mid-game, he's pretty viable.

I've seen both AP and AD sions as viable, whats your preference?

BOOOOM!

The AD Sions I've seen have been pretty pathetic. Can be hard to kill though, when their ult is on.  AP Sion is a bit of a pub stomper.  I found it fun playing against Sion as Soraka.  Sion bravely charges in, silence, Sion gets focused down hard.

Now I know why people shy away from playing support.  Holy shit you take a lot of flak.  I finished a game 2/3/32 where I took very little CS.   Still, it was a 2/1/2 lane setup and instead of pairing me with Ashe, they stuck me with a laning Amumu and Ashe went top lane with her friend.   Apparently this mumu thought that just bandaging and diving on a Xin Zhao / Caitlyn combo was a good idea.  Repeatedly.  "Soraka, get starfall, one starfall and they were dead".  No, that just would have been a double kill for them as I get in Starfall range and Xin leaps on my shit.  At one point, I ran by Karthus in mid, healed him and gave him mana and he responds with "Get the fuck out of my lane".  So, I starfall his creeps  :why_so_serious: "Fuck you, Soraka".

So, it's time once again to put the entire team on ignore and just do my thing. Once our tower goes down in mid, I get to ignore Mumu and our Riven is off doing some shit, so I decide to babysit Ashe.  And, she just destroys them.  GEEE.  She had 7 or 8 deaths up to that point and died a single time afterwards.  We won pretty hard after that.  I built really tanky, mainly because I have no idea how to build Soraka still, but provided a lot of auras and was able to stay in fights forever.  I even got to toss in a "fuck you" KS on a fleeing Swain.    :grin:  I did let them get the next kill shot on the other dead meat.

I think I'm getting the hang now of Soraka, but it's a completely thankless and incredibly frustrating experience.  You're at the mercy of how intelligent your team is.  You are not going to save the single idiot that gets caught miles from a turret.  You're not going to turn that 2 v. 4 into a win.  If your team is full of chuckleheads, your contribution is just going to be a bad stat line.   Ohh, and it's really dumb that they let you

Yeah, I've been struggling with this personally.  It seems few people want to play support or tank (more tanks marginally).  The proble is, both can end up being totally useless if the rest of the team doesn't pull their weight, and then you blamed because your stats are bad.  Meanwhile, if I had just gone with another mage or something it would probably be a hypothetically worse team, but at least you can be useful if the team is bad.   At the same time, i know that picking a support hero will be great if my team actually understands how to play (I supported a Nasus the other day and let him farm up his Q and he was absolutely devastating in the late game, for example).  I guess this is the peril of solo queuing, which I've been trying to do less.

This is why Cho'Gath is my favourite tank. If my team is failing by the time I get my Rod of Ages and boots then I can at least switch to an ap-carry build and have some fun on the way out.

Yeah, this is one of the poisonous things about pro-level play.

0CS support are only good if you have a really strong AD, who is picking up all those CS. Doubly so with Soraka, who is extremely passive laning phase. At least Sona harasses like a boss early on, and Alistar is great for setting up kills.

Also, no random person you're playing with is good enough that you shouldn't take a few CS early so you can rush your philo stone.

But yeah, support is for duo queue.

I'm not sure. I seem to do best when I use AD runes, but go for an AP/Health build first. I'm still so nooby with the items that I tend to go with the recommended ones first until I learn what works. I think I've been going Doran's Ring (AP/Health), the magic resist boots, and depending on my farm/health, I either go with Banshee's Veil or Wiggle's Lantern (for the lifesteal/damage/armor/wards) then Banshee. When I went with AP runes, I felt like I couldn't do enough early on.

I never felt like I was behind on cash really.  It was just dumb being paired with a Mumu, when there was a much better lane partner available (that I wasn't queued with, so there's that.  The rest of my team were all queued together.).  A Mumu / Riven lane would have been a lot more effective along with pairing me with Ashe.  But I could have taken a lot more CS early and probably should have.  A whole 2 games as Soraka under my belt, so mistakes are likely being made and often.

Not sure I want to continue it.  This feels a bit like my jungling attempts.  

Haem: That's... suboptimal.

I had some fun playing AP Soraka and just spamming Starfall EVERYWHERE. She can actually put out quite a punch, although it will piss off your teammates if they are bad and were relying on you to be a crutch support for them.

I'm open to suggestions. I seriously do not overestimate my ability to buy the wrong things based on not having an encyclopedic knowledge of the item database.

Scion is about the sheen proct. What you want is to grap a mana crystal early and build sheen. Then you have 3 options for boots, merc treds (for tankyness), move 3 (for AP scion) or bezker boots (for AD). From there you have a few more even more epic options. No matter what you will be a surpremely annoying scion.

You can, trinity force, phantom dancer, atmas -> game should have ended for AD scion fun
You can, trinity force, warmongs, atmas -> game should have ended for tank scion fun
You can, lichbane, radon -> game ended cause team raged and left for AP fun.

AP scion falls off by the end of the game.
AD scion keeps getting better as the game continues. BUT. you have to build him correctly and learn when to fight.
Tank scion, build against their team after atmas and you'll be fine.

Most Sions these days build boots of mobility, the boots that make you go super fast when out of combat. The idea is to use your shield to blow up all the minions in your lane then quickly run to and gank one of the other lanes.

Ryze is now mMy favorite AP carry.If not for trolls I would be out of elo hell:


And the last game- no I wasnt carried , enemy AD team focused my 198 armor and 3200 HP hard every team fight, they got me every time but got aced every time as well lol

I think this is very much character specific.  People's brains seem to turn to mush if you have an honest to goodness heal like Soraka or Sona.  I rarely take any flak on Zil or Janna though.

Yes and they are scrubs.  :awesome_for_real:

I havent seen any of the problems running support that you guys do, unless I play really bad. Support isn't that hard to play, but it is to play it really well. Most the time people at my elo are happy to see a support over some raging fucker that picks 4th and MUST SOLO MID

Ryze is quickly becoming my favorite to play period.  Very rarely do I not feel that I've made a positive contribution with him.  Some lane matchups aren't very favorable (I love that Fizz can basically decide to just chunk you if he lands that fucking fish), but when the game goes to team fights, I think you're pretty damn strong.   Plus, you've got auras, durability and spammable spells.   One game I truly did bad was due mainly to my lane partner, a Wukong, (would rather solo, but alas, meta) being a complete basket case.   We get a 2 v 1 lane, and I swear he fat fingered his abilities or just flat out didn't engage at all any time I got under fire.   Jarvan jumps on me and he immediately ults.. 20 ft away. He did this sort of shit soo many times.  Probably his first time on Wu.. I hope.

All of the sudden, however, I seem to have no idea on how to play my bruisers, at all.  My GP was coming around, and then all of the sudden my Wukong has gone into the shitter.  Tried Garen, but I don't think I like him very much.  Plus, I was bizzaro Garen, getting destroyed early but mopping up late.  Bought Trynd, but unsure if I want to bring him out.  People seem to be instalocking solo top pretty fast nowadays, so I'm getting limited reps as well.   Might just go back to Singed.  I play him from time to time and am always pretty solid.  Less of a chance of some of the truly bafflng bad play I've had at other times. 

And the bad play and community is finally starting to get to me.  SWTOR's looming too.  A break might not be a bad thing.

Yeah, there are a huge number of people wanting to play solotop. There was a time when I was getting a lot of practice on Irelia, and now, never.

On the other hand, the competence of people in the occasional 1v2 solo top match has risen immensely.

AD carries are actually the least picked (after support of course), and I kind of understand why after a few times playing Sivir. Sometimes I get her to rock, sometimes I'm stuck fighting for CS in a Sivir/Riven lane, and that's no fun.

Still, people don't like jungling, so I just get to run around as a tanky scorpion all day. Fine by me!

Take a break! We'll all still be here.

I liked Sivir the first time I played her, but as I've gotten to understand the game more, I really don't like her. She's just too passive/auto-attacky for me.

More importantly why the fuck does her pinwheel change sizes all the time.

Yah, if there's two slots left, it's usually the support and AD carry waiting to be picked. Now I just pick Soraka and hope for the best.  I used to say "Ok, I'm terrible at ranged AD, but it looks like we need one", then watch as the last person locks in a solo/top AP carry and shits all over your CS in bot lane.  So you're under-farmed and playing a role you're not great at.  Fantastic.  And with my luck, it's one of the occasions where your jungler is a complete psycho. 

You know, I actually like that aspect.  I'm happy to just get farmed and then be like: here's me teleporting and taking down your towers in fifteen seconds. When you get some lifesteal built on her, you can even solo tank towers for a bit. And on matches where you have teleport, and nobody on the opps does? Might as well gg then.

I started learning Sivir a few days ago, a great champ. She's totally not an autoattack champ, at least not with my build (which I understand was popular back in the day before Sivir got nerfed originally). I'm currently going Manamune, Banshee's Veil and Frozen Heart (+ Berz Boots and Philo Stone) for a really persistent pain in the arse AD carry. Once you get the 'Mune you can spam Q and W to harrass very effectively.

Is manamune enough to make her really carry? I like watching my AD carry absolutely melt people late game.....

Sounds bad.

She already has a spell shield, why get Veil? And Frozen Heart? How are you doing damage? Your only damage item is Manamune, which is pretty meh. Anyone with any armor is going to be able to just shrug off your damage.

Just spitballing, and without reading anything, but manamune sounds good to rush, then maybe get something like Ghostblade to get some ar pen, crit, and cooldown reduction (for more blades so you can use all that mana), AS, movespeed...then an IE and maybe a tanky item. Bloodthirster for the lifesteal last? Run flat armor yellows and MR/level blues...with AR pen marks and whatever quints you feel. Probably rock 21/9/0 or 9/21/0 for survivabilty. I haven't played her in probably over a year and have no idea but sounds good to me!

My completely untested theory build:

Manamune
Ghostblade
IE
Bloodthirster
TANKY ITEM (maybe mallet)
Some boots

Get in a fight, pop ult, ghostblade, SURGE?...maybe kill something!

EDIT: probably fuck manamune altogether and just get chalice or something.

Sivir was the only AD carry I owned until two days ago (when I picked up Tristana). The new Sivir is definitely much less of an auto-attack carry than the old one, and certainly less than most other carries, which I do feel opens up a wider variety of viable builds.

My build is generally: start with pendant, get tear and boots ASAP, then either finish manamune and later berserker's or, if necessary, postpone manamune in favour of stacking doran's and in that case grab berserker's greaves before manamune.

From there it's Bloodthirster's, then either Banshee's Veil or Phantom Dancer depending on what's going on. Anything past that is like w/e, but I would probably pick up a second Bloodthirster's as my last item, or maybe Stark's.

The idea that having spellshield somehow decreases the usefulness of Veil is... not really all that sensible, to my thinking. The MR health and mana are also pretty useful, though I guess you could try a Frozen Mallet instead to really kite it up -- but given that I'm always getting the Bloodthirster's first, I feel like by that stage of the game there's not really all that much kiting going on.

There is nothing wrong with Veil but getting Veil before significant damage items is weird even if you don't have a spell shield. So much invested into staying alive but why bother if enemy can just ignore you?

I'm not a fan of stacking thirsters because you lose so much when you die. In general I'm not a fan of stacks you lose when you die because the games where you are dying are the games you want to be able to come back and still win and stack items make that even harder. One thirster is fine but I would never build a second one unless it was for lulz or unless I was somehow getting into 1 v 1 fights I wanted to keep winning.

I probably went overboard with the protection but solo queue does things like that to you. She's not ignorable by any means though, I was consistently able to carry.

Yeah, I agree, but in this case we're talking about a 6th item -- and while sure Sivir farms extremely well, at that point if you die the game is probably over anyways. Also, being Sivir, you tend to get those stacks back very fast if you lose them.

The double-Bloodthirster's ultra-endgame thing was probably more appropriate to the old Sivir anyways, where the goal was just to get to the point where you can auto-attack in teamfights using your super-short range with little fear of death -- basically 'as long as I am attacking, we win', because the constant bouncing would do such ridiculous damage, and the lifesteal and veil/shield helps keep you alive. The new Sivir is much less auto-attacky, or at least you have to be more proactive with your ricochets, etc. even in the very late game.

Richochet triggers on-next hit effects.

Ghostblade
Triforce
IE

Sheen effect + IE crit effect + three sources of crit = pain.

Start with Brutalizer or Sheen (Sheen if you have mana issues).

yeah, it's expensive as hell.

How to become a the best LoL player in the world: http://imgur.com/TXMNw

priceless!!!!

Heh

As much as calling mia is the only reason to keep your chat box on, it teaches people that not looking to your fucking bottom right will save your life. You won't believe how slow peoples reaction times are at even the 1400 elo.

In addition to the whole Sivir business, I've also been jungling a lot. It's kinda funny, Riot proclaimed that they wanted to make jungle more accessible, but it's not. If you're bad or have a bad jungler champ, you won't die to the creeps but you'll fall way behind in exp, easily to the point of being a free kill. That means superfast junglers like Shyvana have received a huge stealth buff, because they can take a few failed ganks without becoming gimped.

I also tried Poppy jungling precisely once. It's ridiculous, but in early game taking down any single jungle camp drains all her mana.

It's quite surreal realizing during a game that I'm the best player on my team and without myself and one other player, this team would be total shit. I played SR last night as Twitch and just owned face (for me that is - 22/9/15). Started mid lane against a Caitlyn and was 11 when she hit level 8. I was up like 5 kills to 2 deaths but she did manage to take down my first turret before I killed her and took down hers. I can't figure out WTF the other lanes were doing because I was literally like 3 or 4 levels above them and they hadn't taken any turrets but none of the other team seemed particularly fed either. We ended up having to grab Baron and make a made dash rush to win because both nexus turrets were down for both teams because of some badly timed deaths. The rest of the team was just terrible. The game lasted almost an hour when it really shouldn't have.

I sat the results screen just in awe wondering how it was possible. On my BEST days with good farm, I'm a mediocre player. I didn't check summoner levels, so maybe that was it. It was just  :uhrr: :ye_gods:

Been messing around with AP Jungle Gragas. He is a boss coming out of the woods. Super ganker after level 6, once some AP is built up you can clear waves/camps with ease. Useful late game for poke/initiation. Kinda squishy. Nice escape ability, though.

First ranked games: 0-2. :(

Some lessons: if you don't like the people you just played with: don't requeue at all.

And the thing here is that the quality of play just plummeted: like I was getting pretty good at normals, so I was getting some quality opponents...but now just the bottom dropped out and I'm back with the super-whiners and the people who play only two characters, and inefficient builds.

You have to tough out the first few games of ranked, they're placement matches.

When I started ranked I had AFK/leavers like 10 of my first 12 games, ended up at 800 elo lol.

Now at 1450 or so I'm practically a pro gamer!

God, help me, I think I'm turning into a support player.   :ye_gods:  Still almost always as Soraka.  Tried Sona, but I was having problems gauging the distance for her Q, but I did land a lot of solid Rs (that were wasted on my shit-ass team).  Might try a couple games as Alistair, if I get the right lane partner.  Taric doesn't sound appealing, except for bot lane with Vayne/Cait.

I find support is the easiest for me to play and be satisfied with how I'm playing when I'm only doing a game or two a day (thanks to SWTOR).  The biggest thing that I seem to struggle with now that I'm not playing as much is my spacing in team battles is atrocious.  I get focused a damn ton and always seem to be in the middle of the rape train.  I do notice that a lot of people like to pick on the support for an easier kill, while the rest of their team gets mauled by the carries.   This becomes less of a problem later in game as all of your aura items end up making you a bit durable. 

And.. gotta love that Shurelia's.  Saved some asses with that yesterday.

Support can be fun to play with a good group.

Support will make you rage quit solo queue as you play a great game and watch helplessly as your horrible carries throw the game away.

I must have been playing decently, because I never get a word said to me other than "thanks" or "buy more wards".  I got a "get oracles" in my last game and proceeded to sweep the map of.. 0 wards.   :awesome_for_real:

The buy more wards thing is a bit annoying when the bastards won't bother warding their own lane or place a single ward themselves.  I could have nice items, but I'm getting a stack of wards every trip to base.  I think I need to finally break down and buy gp/10 quints/seals.

Well, it seems like the ideal support setup is:

Arm (flat)
GP10, MReg/lvl
MR/lvl
GP10, FT


So whatever inches you closer to that?

I know how it's annoying, but actually, this is kind of your job: like really, if you've built your CDR boots, Shurelias, and an Aegis, that's pretty much an okay item build for a support. The advantage of GP10 runes is how quick you can get your first GP10 item: it's something like 3:10 with a Regrowth/Ward start.

And the oracle sweeping for 0 wards: awesome. Now you know they have no idea where you are.

Anyone have any experience jungling Rammus?  I played him in lane earlier but ended up roaming and ganking after about 7 minutes anyway, and I know I've seen people jungle him before.  Set up a bunch of ganks with him today and figured it might be good to learn how to play him that way from the beginning.

(http://i.imgur.com/i2IGc.jpg)

Somebody else has more experience with him, but basically it's get blue, because you need it so bad. As soon as there looks like an opportunity, take taunt as your next level up, then gank away.

The thing about Rammus ganks that are so terrifying is that even if you have your wards in the standard spots, it is too late, you are already dead by the time you see him (you always want to be at near full speed on your powerball by the time you hit the bush). Make sure you ping and chat your ganks way ahead of time, because even though Rammus is pretty much S class on ganking, he ain't killing anybody without help.

Thanks your contribution helped me out a lot.

I try.

I've played a lot of jungle Rammus, he's one of my favorite junglers.  I'm just reluctant to give any advice because of what a huge change the new jungle patch was and the fact I haven't played the new jungle much.  I know pre-patch you could go Double Golems>Wraiths>Wolves>Blue just fine although getting blue took a LONG time without help.  If you can get help and start blue it really improves your run.  Now you can probably just do whatever you want and hit blue when you are having mana issues.

Rammus should always be jungle just because his gank is SOOOOOO good.  He comes out with powerball speed, taunts to keep the person in place, is tanky so doesn't die in the gank.  It's just all good.

*edit* Well, not all.  One thing I really do NOT like about him is you can not solo dragon at any usefull point.  You NEED a team that will come with you and dps it down while you tank.

Rammus is amazing jungler, the only thing  with him is that I pretty much require blue buff for well past lvl 6. Powerball is very mana hungry

Yeah, Rammus definitely falls into the: "be wary of picking him if you've got a blue dependent mid" category.

So, been playing some solid GP lately.. and still losing.  Got of love it when your bot lane gets destroyed and feeds hard.  Then your Malzahar, who bitches about said lane, ends up going 5/13, mostly because he thinks his ult sure fire kill even in the midst of the entire enemy team.  Shaco that bitches about him, doesn't end up positive either.    :argh:  

The Ashes I've been getting in my games lately..  :ye_gods:  Low farm.  Hugely negative.  Gets massively pooped on by other team.  Lands maybe 1 decent arrow.  

edit: The kill lanes you see in my type of game are just brutal to fragile characters.  Winning teams are usually just whoever is tankier.

Build a Philo stone and don't spam ball and you can do fine usually.

Got an Ashe yesterday who apparently didn't understand the game at all.  We asked him to pick a character to play mid, so he picked Ashe and while I can't say I see that real often these days, its at least a sensible pick so we thought ok here we go.  And then he went top.... and we had a jungler and then we had no mid...so Soraka who was supporting our Corki bottom had to go mid, and it was just a general train wreck.  Then the Ashe went 0/7 and quit the game.  Funny thing is we stayed even with them for about 25 minutes even givne that, but it was eventually too much to come back from.

Clownshoes.

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1739972/web-images/sona-lol-dominated.jpg)

I may actually have gotten reasonably competent. It helped that I had a pretty damn good team and was bot laning with an Annie that was pretty good as well. I actually tried to pull back and not get kills on running champs and creeps. This was an absolute domination, due in part I'm sure to a team whose only decent player was the Twisted Fate that started bot lane with the Volibear against me and Annie. My first death was entirely due to lag on the first wave of creeps, and the two laning against us never got near my turret again. They surrendered right at the 20 minute mark.

terrible item build on sona though you got a nice ratio. the trick is to load her up with gp gain items while your lane partner get all the kills. I go for CD redux boots as well. Then it's all about the aoe buff items until your very presence in a team fight amouns to your entire team having a shitton of armor/resists and dmg boots.

http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/sona-faceroll-support-77887

that's just about right.

The item build was iffy. The merc treads were on the recommended list, but I'm not married to them. The rod was simply a "What do I get?" I didn't really think too hard about it, as I literally only went back to shop twice and didn't even really need to shop other than I had over 2k worth of gold and figured I'd better spend it now.

Getting a philosopher's stone and turtle shell early game can help a lot. Not having to farm kills or creeps to get income frees you up for a lot of stuff which as a fulltime support can make a game.

 Only thing you can't do on sona is hold a fucking lane...oh my god am I sick of my lane partners just leaving to go do other shit while I try to hold off aves of creeps and two champs with my shitty two-hit Q

Pff. Obviously you've never built AD Sona.  :awesome_for_real:

Aura items yes, fantastic additions to most support characters since other people are so unlikely to grab them. Soul Shroud and Abyssal Scepter are especially awesome for Sona, but depending on the rest of your group composition, Will of the Ancients, Aegis of the Legion, and even Starks Fervor aren't insane... especially once you've got plenty of cash in the endgame.

I prefer aegis first. tanks almost never seem to grab it and it gives both ac/mr for a bit of a well rounded aura.

I've seen Sona hold a lane completely by herself 2v1 while I jungled with Yi. She absolutely OWNED people that game. Hell, she was 6 by the time I was 5 and had me come hold the lane while she went and bought items. Don't know how she was built, but she can hold a lane - if the player is good.

I won a game as Sona by buying Starks, we were AD heavy in the final big fight the lifesteal / armor reduction pushed our team just enough over the edge to finish them.

I always start Regrowth pendant/ward or Regrowth/mana/health pot (with support masteries for more gold) - depending on how bad the other team's poke/jungler looks.

Build philo ASAP. Build Heart of Gold next, as well as boots. From there it is situational, but I sometime buy a Kage's lucky pick, or move on to aura items or Rylai's for some more health/AP/slow.

I don't doubt an ap sona could hold a lane in the least but AP sona is "doing it wrong"

I can also tell that most people who play Dominion are kind of dumb. I am constantly able to be in the top 2 or 3 scorers simply because I understand that capping/defending/neutralizing points > everything else. I often have negative K/D ratios but still top out the points. I was on a team at lunch as Miss Fortune where I ended 9/11/5 or something like that but was almost twice the score of anyone else on the team. The next best was a Trynd who had like 25 kills but the rest was low K/D AND low scores. I could tell early on that the team consisted of a bunch of headhunters who were treating it like deathmatch mode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-8KJhySZoI&feature=youtu.be
 :why_so_serious:

Agreed unfortunately.  I think half the reason Dominion doesn't live up to it's potential is too many people just play it like team deathmatch oblivious that points even exist.  :heartbreak:

I usually start with a faerie pendant, 2 hp pots, 1 mana pot, and 2-3 wards.  This is with the added gold masteries.  Works out pretty well for me.  You get a philo stone and boots first back.  Then HoG and finish off Shurelias.  I LOVE SHURELIAS.  It definitely saves mine and other's bacon, when I remember I have it  :awesome_for_real:

But again, I don't play very aggressive support. I mainly play Soraka with a game of Sona and Alistair thrown in. I think the most kills I've gotten was 4 and that was on my only Alistar game.  The Poppy and I were the only decent players so that's why that number was up there.  Most kills I get outside of team fights are blatant KS attempts because I need to buy more wards.  :why_so_serious:

I think I just played the most obnoxious game I've had in the last month. 

Kennen on the opposing team was a complete douche.  He was good, but after anyone failed to gank him or he got a kill it was always shit talk like "that was awesome pro MLG".  It was always some dumb "pro MLG" comment.  Then he'd get into it with the Galio and Graves on his team, while simultaneously shit talking our Volibear and Ez. 

Meanwhile, our Katrina was a psycho.  We miss chasing a Galio (ohh and at this point Galio and Graves are shit talking us now), and Kat gets gibbed by Rammus.  She starts in calling me a faggot/cunt/whatever.  She's 2/7 at this point and finished like 2/13/7.  Always off on her own, getting caught and gibbed. 

On top of it, we probably would have won if our Volibear wasn't trolling (he said he was).  He was good, but instead of building tanky, went straight AD. 

At end, I was just happy it was over. I was 7/5/10 after starting 0/3.   So, happy with how I recovered, but I dislike a game where I end up just putting everyone on ignore because the chat is so obnoxious and distracting. 

Ignore, report, report, report.

Riot has come out recently saying that "gg noobs" and similar stuff is totally bannable.


In other news, I survived my qualification games in Ranked and came out with a 1204. My jungle skarner got 5 losses, and every other thing I played won. So much for my favorite jungler, right?  :ye_gods:

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Yeah, I got those as well. I'm waiting for the next sale to see what they have worth getting. I bought Pantheon on sale and keep getting tempted by Graves but I can't quite pull the trigger on him yet.

I'm having a bad streak at the moment. Of course, I am trying to get together the IP for the Xmas quints so it's exactly the wrong time to do so. I've settled on Sivir/Cait as the chars to focus on and was having fun until I hit 22, now I'm lucky if I can pull 5 kills - well, to 15 assists at most. People just don't want to group up and we get annihilated.

Today was a perfect example where we got destroyed by Ahri/Garen/Janna/Warwick/Trundle. As Sivir I pulled down 4 turrets and was harassing/calling for help - but the number of times that people saw red bars and ran off meant that we were picked off one by one. One I had Ahri on minimal health and our Teemo ran straight past her to get to a full health Trundle.

I switched the game off after that humiliation  :why_so_serious:

Whats the item build, rune page and mastery.

I've switched it up, and gotten some more wins recently.

I used to go cloth/5, wriggles/merc/tri.

Now I go TheOddOne's build: regrowth/hp, into philo/boots/heart of gold/pure tanky.

I think my problem with skarner is that I don't have pre-6 ganking right. I don't know whether I should be showing my face more just to drive people off? I also feel like almost every game I'm in has good ward coverage, bot, so ganking it is tres difficult, and then I get the: "wtf no ganks top' type of messages.

Maybe I just need to start jungling with more aggressive champions to get the hang of early ganks.

Learn to gank from different angles. Come in from the river, come in from their territory, come in from behind your own tower when the lane is pushed.

Just practice practice pretty much, imo jungling well is the hardest thing in the game to do.  Too many people think just because they can clear the jungle without dying they are good at jungling.  The hard part is landing your ganks, knowing where you should be when, counter jungling, etc.  I try to play almost exclusively jungle when I play normal games now and I still feel like I'm mostly terrible at it when it comes to ganks.

If you need any pots jungling as skarmer your doing it wrong unless someone denied you blue. Your pre level 6 ganks are, W -> Q -> Q -> E -Q dead, bonus points if you have red buff. I think your problem is inefficient masteries & runes combined with wasting a lot of gold in the start and probably being under leveled compared to the bot laners and underfarmed.

The trick to ganking with any jungler is to find the lane that will feed you, not the lane that may need you and farm that lane for kills till they lose a tower. In normal games its always nice to gank bot often (almost garunteed kills if you factor out the derpyness), but ranked games, especially with the typical 0 cs support, bot tends to ward so your only luck is ganking top and mid exclusively save for bot lane being pushed to their towers. Its also about the generally derpness of the game, sometimes bot could be ganked but you can't rely on the people at bot to back you up, so you put that lane on ignore. Sounds awful but especially with the new jungle, you can't afford farm wise to fail constantly with ganks, its get a kill or go home. Always judge the generally aggressiveness and map awareness of someone your ganking with, and IGNORE THAT LANE if awareness is near nonexistent. Also no matter how much they cry for a gank NEVER leave the jungle to gank for someone with low mana/low health, unless by some dumb miracle the champ your ganking is in equal condition. Its rarely worth it.

Just played a game against Dyrus' smurf account. (Dyrus is like 2200 elo and a pro player, I am around 1485)

I got first blood on him. With Sona.

Then my team made horrible decisions and he got super fed and crushed us. lol.

Ooh, stream?

He was apparently streaming it. I kind of hammed it up a bit after killing him.

ranked is really full of fucking asshats. 

So, it is worth noting that ELO hell does exist: it's that area at 1200 +/- 50 (+/- 100 at the extremes) where you have a chance of being matched with people who are provisionally ranked players (people with less than 10-12 games, who can be of any skill level). But get out of that little strip of ELO (once your provisional games end), and you'll be in much better shape.

I'm guessing he was playing Corki on his "Insert Smurf Here" account.  I saw some of that last night but didn't catch your game (actually, I may have watched the end of it, but I can't recall).  In the one I watched from the start, he got first blood.   Dyrus tends to be my favorite streamer to watch, mostly because he plays solo lanes most of the time.  His Singed/Morde/GP play is pretty fun to watch.   Plus, he's not a total troll (he gets trollish) or completely emotionally retarded like some.  

My string of luck has been pretty awful on Soraka lately.  I played one really good game with a good team where the other team was calling us premades and losing their shit at the end.  Our jungler was just really good and helped our 1 v 2 lane a lot. My Soraka/Shen lane (lol, unkillable) had a Kayle/Garen lane sitting at their tower the entire time.  The Shen was a bit suicidal, but played the bully pretty well and helped other lanes when needed.

Then I played two more solid games where my team was completely terrible.  My lane did fine, but the rest just got stomped.  In the first game, our jungle Fiddle was pretty retarded.  Died to minions twice and didn't really pull off any successful ganks.  Some pud playing the new champ kept getting ganked by Shaco (had no wards) and bitching about how UP he was and how OP Shaco was.   Second game was just as bad with our 2 v 1 top  of Garen/Jax being getting stomped by a lone Teemo.  Jax whined so hard and was so underleveled that he was getting on my nerves.  I started prompting for surrenders at 20 mins even though we weren't far behind in kills at all.   However, I was the only person that was positive k/d and not shitting up our chat.  At least I got a "GJ Soraka" at the end, while my team continued to snipe at each other.  

I'm thinking I need to play a more offensive support or just start taking more CS and building a bit more offensively.  It seems like I'm wasted on teams that don't have a player good enough to carry.  Or just say fuck the support concept and pick a non-support for a kill lane.

I just had my team surrender in a 5 v 4 almost 10 minutes after I made their Trynd rage quit. No. Fucking. WORDS.   :argh:

Saved the post-game stats for posterity?

Wish I did, now that I think on it.  Were still 11/18 at that point, but starting to catch up (yah, that bad).  Our bot lane was a combined 3/12.  I was 4/1/3 and farmed as well.  There wasn't a player on their team I could kill, even the 8/1 Panth.  The problem is the bot lane had mailed it in.  The Ashe saying the game was "boring".  The Garen was a clueless idiot that was wanting to surrender at the 20 minute mark.   Our Annie wasn't THAT bad and our jungle Karthas was competent. 

Garen: "Let's just give up, I'm feeding too bad"
me:  "It's a 5v4, we WILL win this."

Surrender vote pops up and passes 4/1.

me: "WTF"
entire opposing team: "HAHAHAHAHAH"

Aside from the ragequit Trynd, I think all were queued together. But they weren't that good.   

I've fallen into some sort of normal ELO hell.  I want to queue dodge half of the time during champ select from how dumb and thoughtless the team comps are.

My personal pet peeve is our friendly vent play group getting bitchy over a bad lol run. Fuckers should be smarter than that. We need coordination, not retardation.

You all are playing on vent? I never see any of you online in the chat client, should I just hang out on the vent?

10/5/5 second time as jungle vayne. I think I have a winner.  :drill:

This is just a Finnish IRL friend thing.

Saw Snoopeh run jungle ashe, and I must say it looked pretty fun :)

Jungle ashe -> all the time in the world to release an arrow to the face ^_^

Anybody see Dyrus tear it up as jungle singed (ghost/smite)? You have to have a team which is patient with you just farming and farming for a bit, but once it gets rolling, it's pretty darn scary.

I'll have to watch one of the replays.  His Singed is always fun. 

Just bought Swain.  Only one game so far, but I did pretty well for my team being bad as always.  Love his kit.  His sustainability is fantastic and his dps is really deceptive.

When I played Dyrus on "Insert Smurf Here" he was Tryndamere, tried to dive our tower, I put some damage and a slow on him and the tower killed him.

We really should have won the game. We were a lot better than their team (minus Dyrus) but we made some dumb mistakes. They were hanging around Baron and I said "don't go bottom or they will baron." So some people go bottom, they try to Baron and I have to suicide to stop them. I say, again, "don't go bottom or they will Baron", two people on our team immediately go bottom, they baron and win the game off of that. Really frustrating.

It's funny, every time I watch Dyrus stream he gets a pentakill. He almost got a penta on us at the very end of the game but one of our guys hid in our pool lol.

As far as jungle Singed goes, Singed is really hard to play in top lane now, especially if you pick him first. So many champions beat him badly top. Especially now that level 2 junglers can come gank you 45 seconds into the game, it's really hard not to die a couple times. But Singed becomes really strong with levels, even if he doesn't have much farm. Jungling allows you to get at least some farm without dying, and his ganks are good. I might try it, I'm scared to play top lane Singed these days.

4v5 ARAM game?  No problem, I'll just Soraka carry.  :oh_i_see:

Goddamn. Were the people you were playing against limbless puddles of flesh?

I finally seem to be breaking out of my losing streak in normal pick pub games - my Sivir as harass has got better after watching replays of others using her. Got paid out at the start of the game for my PAX skin, took an early death but then started using the brush a lot more. Our Fiddlesticks was trying to jungle (badly), Tryn was never around when you need it but Teemo and I held our lane nicely. Mid-game I thought we were done, lost all but our inhibitor turrets but it turns out that their side had some sad players too. In the end it was a case of Sivir's ult pulling down their turrets - in hindsight I should have had teleport to get around the map/backdoor more readily. The rest of the team pulled a baron gank and I pulled turrets and inhibs. It was a good feeling at the end, even though my kills aren't high, I felt like I'd played a good game.

I felt sorry for their Malzahar - he was their best player.


Still learning but having fun at level 23

Does anyone know any Shyvana streams, especially if they have jungling? I've been mostly playing Shyv and Volibear lately, and they occupy pretty much the same slot in team composition. However the power level differential is so goddamn huge that I'm starting to doubt if anyone has ever managed to be consistently successful with Shyv.

 

4 v 5 in ARAM is actually pretty fair, because the 4 get significantly more XP. For some teams hitting 6 while enemies are all still 5 is a big deal and can snowball you to victory. Having 4 is a lot better than having a fifth who isn't very good. I think I've probably lost more ARAM games 5 v 4 than I have won.

I once won a 3 v 5. It was me as Cass along with a Sona and a Soraka. Basically we just couldn't die and I could poke the shit out of them, until I became strong enough to melt them all. It took a REALLY long time though, like an hour and a half game...

Our team was terrible for 4v5 though, we should not of won.  With Annie/Lux as our only DPS every fight should of been them casting their spells and both being dead before cooldowns are back up.  We had no constant dps, the people we played against were just so impressively terrible.

Just went 9/1 on Corki. Feels good man. Missile to the face all day long.

A good Corki is one of my most feared opponents.

I am HORRIBLE with Shen. Fucktastically terrible. I had one of the worst games of my life last night and the only reason my team won is because we were 5v4. I just apparently had no clue how to play him and only did so because he was free and I wanted to try him out again. 2/16/8? That's wretched. Our team may not have been great, but I was clearly the weak link and apologized to the entire team like 5 minutes in.

Man, these last couple days have been brutal, lost about 100 elo. I'm not sure if it's because school is out or what but my games are full of people who have no clue.

Example: Their bot lane is Graves / Soraka and I have picked Corki. Our support says "Lux or Leona?" I say that we need a support that can heal. They pick Lux.

5 minutes later we lose our tower and Graves has twice my cs. Just an automatic loss from someone who doesn't understand lane composition at all. Non-healing support can work in a lane you can be aggressive in. However Graves / Soraka is not a lane you can win by being aggressive and not healing. Way too much healing and too much armor, no way to burst them down, no way to win a way of attrition if you can't heal.

Had a game where our mid disconnected every 5 minutes. Had a game where we already had a jungle Udyr and someone picked jungle Gragas. Jungle Gragas! And before you say "it can work" sure, it can, but it sure as hell didn't. Had a game where our jungle Nocturne never gave our mid Kassadin a single blue. Our whole team was begging him to give Kassadin blue, it was basically 4 v 5 as Kass was always OOM and fell far behind in lane as well.

I don't get it. Did the Noct just want to lose and was trolling? Did he really think jungler taking every blue was the best plan? 75% of the junglers I've had on this slide have played like they are trolling. And I don't mean in the typical you are losing the game so blame the jungler way, I mean just crazy shit like a guy who picks jungle Riven, starts at red, can't kill red, needs to recall, goes back to red, I have to come from top to leash it again and put damage on it, and we are both 2 levels behind in the first 2 minutes of the game.

My last two games have been frustrating affairs with at least one person getting DC'ed really early and it essentially decided the game. If there was anything else they could do to fucking fix it so that a DC gets replaced, even if it's just by a goddamn bot.

All a bot is going to do it feed people.

At least it would be another target they could focus on instead of narrowing down the target choices for the other team.

This game was so bizarre.  If it wasn't so fucked up from the very start it would have been frustrating as hell.


Champ select mostly goes fine. We don't have a support, but that tends to happen when a massive losing streak starts pairing you with complete retards.  Annie locks in right away with those summoners.

Skarner and Akali (her friends): Go ghost/ignite, Annie.

Repeat that until countdown ends.  Annie is still TP/Surge.

Game starts and they repeat the instruction.  Annie is very confused.  It's apparent at this time that she's a total noob.  

Akali announces that she and Annie will go bottom because Annie is a friend that they're teaching her LoL.  GREAT.  They completely botch Skarner's leash.  

I go top.  Twitch goes top as well.  

me: Go mid, Twitch.

Twitch:  No, Annie should go mid.

me:  She's going bot.  

Twitch: Why?

me: FFS, read chat.  <I go mid, since he obviously isn't.>

Twitch: I don't want a solo lane!

*Anivia kills Twitch*

And ta-da, I get Kogmaw.  This Kogmaw isn't a retard.

me:  I can't lane against a Kogmaw.  

Twitch:  Annie should mid.  

So, I do a lot of poking.  Get some CS and manage to trade some kills.  Twitch isn't staying in lane at all.  At the 25 minute mark he has 19 CS.  Skarner is absolutely going bonkers swearing at him.  Sure, he's wandering around being Twitch, but he's mostly just KSing kills and getting caught and he is completely fucking up any chance we have at winning.  

I'm basically covering both mid and top.  Losing some EXP having to move around so much.  Anivia is top and thank god she wasn't very good. With boots I can dodge her skill shots and orange out of her on hit affect.  Skarner and I abuse her pretty bad, as anytime she's up and at top, we just egg and kill her. Opposing team Twitch gets fed off Annie and Akali.  Nasus is getting a bit scary too, since our Annie pretty much doesn't know how to play at all and our Akali is just bad.  

Luckily, the Skarner is very good and getting fed.  I think I've played with him before because the name is awfully familiar.  I have a few dumb deaths (one chasing Mumu and getting caught by Twitch and one brush facecheck into their entire team), but it's mostly trades or getting focused in team fights.  

So, at the end it comes down to having both Nexus towers down and them not having an inhib down.  We're pushing mid and Twitch engages their entire team OUT OF STEALTH.  Their Nasus pops Shurelia's and I'm the only one that survives.  GG.  They go straight down middle and win it about 2 seconds before the team respawns.  I just can't do enough to prevent it since its' a 5v1, and if I engage, Twitch and Kogmaw will tear through me.

Skarner goes apeshit.  Twitch and him just start swearing back and forth.  Twitch did throw the game, sure, but the buddy combo on the bottom allowed it to even get to that point.  If there was another player on the team that wasn't completely braindead, we would have won easily.  As is, I've noticed you need at least 3 competent players to win.  2 just doesn't cut it.

And yah, NO BOOTS.   :argh:

Meh, I never understood raging at newbies not knowing something. It conjures this image of a trekkie getting all huffy when someone doesn't speak Klingon.

If it makes any difference, I kept quiet during the game.  Most I said was trying to get our lanes sorted out, coordinate pushes, and keep Skarner's blood pressure under control.  The Twitch just never seemed to grasp "they're teaching her how to play, so she's going bot". 

I don't care how new you are, buy some goddamn boots. Akali was lvl 30 btw with around 370 wins.  Annie just didn't really listen to anything anyone said.  It wasn't even anything complex like "save your stun for when I go in" it was more like "use your spells", "buy some boots",  "don't instalock and go afk, james, you needed to select different summoner spells",  "don't wander off alone into their jungle".

It always amazes me the amount of people that just apparently don't read anything.  I can't be the only one that frequently sees things like someone at character selected picks a character and says "I'm planning on going top."

Then 30 seconds into the game you have someone say "I'm top or I'm feeding."  Which usually completely destroys your lane comps.

Then when you point out what happened they just say something like they went afk at champ select like it's a normal thing everyone does.

You know, we all say: "Don't play AI games"...but this is when you play AI games.

I hate playing bot. I can lane well (e.g. do not feed , not lose cs and get kills if enemy is weak), but most a lot of time its a farm fest and the game decided elsewhere (your top/jungler/mid lose the ball real hard and u screwed no matter what)

I've mostly been playing AP Sion lately. Anytime I can solo top, or mid against the right matchup, its usually pretty awesome. The first 5  minutes can be rough, but once you can start clearing the casters with your shield things really start to pickup. The last few days I've been giving AD Sion a go. Last night was the first time everything clicked. Late game AD Sion feels broken OP. I ended up with Berserker boots, Double Phantom Dancer, IE, a lantern, and that axe that reduces enemy armor. I was doing things like soloing baron and winning 3v1 fights. Quite fun.

Really getting into the groove with Ahri now.  Her taunt/charm is I think one of the best "you are fucked if you get hit with this" moves in the game. Just gotta keep remembering to stick and move!

Right now though I'm wondering if I should even bother with raft or ranked play, I njoy how fast blind pick is but god damn am I sick of people insta-locking and calling mid immediately after.  Seriously people, being fed means jack shit if you are not a good enough player to take advantage of it and 9/10 these people are not.

Last night game starts, we get an inta-lock ahri shouting mid. I make some comments but I grab sona as my goto, I actually don't play her as much because it's my winning character and just feels like cheating sometimes. So my team is as follows...

top:panth/garen
mid:ahri/vlad
jung:lee/lee
bot:sona/shaco-ashe/soraka

now, a shaco bot is already a little ??? but whatever.  Game starts off to a winning start with shaco being completely afk, leaving me to bot alone.  I have my mastery/runes set up for complete support and I already picked heal as my first spell, awesome!  Then, instead of leashing blue, our instalock ahri just sits there and takes the blue from our lee.

at this point im up against ashe and soraka solo, asking anyone to come bot with me, getting the exp is nice but I am getting constantly harassed.  Shaco still afk and by the time I lose bot tower, our ahri has died four times in mid to their vlad, each time citing "lag" as the reason.

With my first tower gone or lee is a decent level 6-7 and it's actually a lot easier for me to farm since ashe/soraka have decided to abandon bot entirely which is pants on head dumb when you consider we are a man down and they'd only have to deal with a sona.  So I think "fuck it, im farming like it's 1999!" which works out pretty damn well with lee coming down o help harass.  They had a lee of their own bt looks like ours is the superior one as he and I clean up at least three kills bot lane.

Now I've got a decent set of items rolling, an aegis and level 10 under my belt.  Our ahri isnt dying but she's not really doing jack either, anth dies to at least two missed mia mid calls so I decide to play princess leia and say "Lee sin you're our only hope!" and I flat out tell him "lee, I'm sticking to you like glue."  and boy howdy does it work out like a charm.  My aura's and his general badassary start racking up the kills for us and we're actually pushing in a 4v5 game. 

About this time out shaco actually comes back and let me tell you, seeing a level 3 shaco try and mid 20min into a game is HI-larious. They don't seem to be working well as a team though and even while our ahri is fluff and our shaco is underfed by a mile, lee/panth and I start ruining their. After a 3v5 teamfight in which we almost ace them, their garen and soraka proceed to ragequit.

Match is pretty much over now since it 5v3 but in our favor now, overall we shouldn't have won it but we did.  Level 10 shaco MVP

I have had the shittiest string of bad games/bad teams lately. Either I'm playing horribly because I'm 1) not familiar with the character and fat-fingering everything or 2) am paired with a complete muppet in lane or 3) against a pro who is just wearing out my asshole like it's the last whore in a shore leave or 4) we are down to 4v5 and our team sucks to begin with. Just horrible horrible games where I'm ready to reach through the monitor and throttle somebody. Two of those games have been as Morgana where I just started feeding early and never recovered. In one of those games, I swear I wanted to fucking murder someone. I get paired top lane with a Wukong who is level 19 and says "This is my first PVP game".

 :facepalm: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh:

How do you play enough games to hit level 19 and NOT PVP ever? He proceeds to disappear for long stretches while both of us get absolutely owned by a Garen who ends the game with like 30/2/something or other. I swear nothing I did ever managed to even dent the guy. Our Brand goes mid and spends the whole game berating me for sucking and despite all my deaths (12 in all I think), he has less kills and assists than me MID FUCKING LANE. The whole team is just a disorganized cluster fuck as our bot lane guys just abandon the lane completely around level 8 or 9 to go get killed repeatedly in mid lane. It was fucking godawful. I certainly didn't help with all my deaths, but it was just a brutal, frustrating game experience.

So I didn't get to play for like 5 days and I realized I had no interest in playing at all anymore.  Oh well, it had a good run.

That's too bad, because at level 6 with Wukong and Morgana you should have a guaranteed kill every time your ults are up.

There's something about Gragas that makes me fat finger the hell out of his abilities.  HIT E! Nope, there goes my barrel.  Barrel time! Nope that's an E.  My team fights look like an AI with a glitch in its code.  Still, first game in a long time as the fat man and I do OK.  I don't die at all to mid and farm up really well as always.  Team was stomping, and I actually helped our hyper aggressive Win Xhao escape a few times with a proper ulti (after E'ing first /ffs).   Rest of the team couldn't wait to die to Swain after I downed the tower.   Don't know why people think Swain won't kill them.  Just need to get your two dots on them, ignite and crows will mop up.

My next game was pretty funny.  Apparently an 0/9 Cho'gath was only getting owned by my GP due to lag.  Still, if he had actually finished me off with his lvl 6 q,w,r combo instead of me flashing out, the lane could have gone a bit differently.  As is, another slump busty/tard stomp as GP.   Had a rather awesome play where our badass Soraka (she FB'd them and went 7/4) was getting 3 v 1'd far into bot lane.  I throw down my ult over the area.  Soraka kills one, kills another as I tp in, and a 10% health Soraka and I finish off the near full health Cho.  I got a double kill that game just off my ulti as I was farming up top.

I should probably use this time post slump to work on other heroes, so Udyr (once bought) will get worked in with Swain instead of just climbing back up as usual with only GP.  Maybe some Trynd/Garen too, but I'm just not good with them for whatever reason.  Still, it's very temping just to carry hard with GP and get my hidden ELO back up to where over half the team is completely retarded.  It's like the only do ELO calcs for normals every 2 weeks.  I get so damn streaky.

The problem is, once you start getting 30s in your game, you get a lot of people who use Normal games for just messing around.

I've actually had a bunch of fun recently with just hanging out in reddit chat and getting random custom games: everybody's a lot more easy going.

Also, yeah, I'm not actually very good with her, but Ahri is a lot of fun. Definitely a good champ to learn how to kite on, and I just heart champs with escapes, so Ahri gets a  :heart: :heart: :heart:.

Ahri is a lot of fun, especially if you have an idiott that lets you charm them onto a tower. I picked up Veigar for something different and without actually knowing a thing about him, proceeded to pick up my highest result ever. Event horizon can be brutal if people write you off. At one stage I had 3 enemy tower dive me at level 9 only to EH and then proceed to assist the tower. I may have to play him a bit more.

With a bad enough enemy team I've twice gotten Veigar to more than 1000AP. Do not feed.

The one I don't understand is people assuming everyone speaks the same language. Then attacking them when they don't understand.

Player: teemo cout
Teemo: What?
Player: cout teemo cout
Teemo: I'm sorry, what are you saying?
Player: Teemo noob

I've got one account at lvl 30 and one at lvl 29, and this is the first time I've heard of that (cout). No idea what it means. I guess I should look it up or something.

Played my first pvp-game as Graves this morning (after a bunch of coop-vs-ai games) and ended up in bottom lane along with Alistar (Sona top, lee jungle, Swain mid). He proceeded to feed me both minions and enemy players to the point where I had 6 kills while no one else had more than 1. I kinda failed to carry on from there on, though, so the game leveled out and could have gone either way. We won after a counter-attack in the end, though - final stats for me being 12/3/11, which I think isn't too shabby for the first real game with this champ (though I got fed, so.. *shrug*).

I swear, some players have absolutely no clue about relative power levels at certain points in the game.   This Ahri didn't realize that a very farmed, very fed Trynd (was like 10/2 with more CS than anyone) with his ult will fucking destroy us 1 v 2 if we engage that far from the tower.  Especially when neither of us has our ult and she's at half health.   I was more farmed than she was, but that wasn't saying a whole lot.  That Trynd finished with almost 50% more gold than anyone (yay, botlane).

"2v1 and GP runs away. I love randoms."   :roll:   Plus we had no vision, but people never bait.   :oh_i_see:

I'm getting a lot of level 30 guys in games that think they're way better than they actually are.   They're always babysitting a friend or friends that are new to the game.   They always come in super confident, bossing you around, and moving the lanes to their liking.  They're mostly average, their friend feeds hard, and they don't ever want to surrender even though the game is giving you physical pain.

A recent game where I was playing Swain, had me teamed with a friend group of Maoki, Xin, Shaco (jungle), Cait.   I finished like 8/7/x.  "Do you have a skin for Swain" "No" "Ohh, bummer" "what?" "you'll see".  Sure enough, they all had skins for their champs.  Resistance Cait, Tiki looking Maoki, Asylum Shaco, Viscero Xin.  At first I thought I got lucky and this would be an easy win, but I knew rather quickly things were going to be bad when the Shaco tried to gank early (I was mid v. Brand).  He just completely botched it.  Ran up out of stealth, deceived no where near the Brand, ran off in an odd direction, dropped a box, shivved and then just died to the Brand that must have been laughing his ass off.  I killed the Brand a little later, but there was no way to help that Shaco.  He did this all of the time.  He would rarely even melee anyone.

The Shaco was the friend they were helping.  He went 2/17 and was level 11 when I hit 18.  He was doing so badly the enemy Noct was giving him tips during the game and offered to help him out afterwards. Everyone else was completely average and no one had a positive score.  They fed the hell out of the enemy Nocturne, who had free reign over both jungles.   Just terrible game that I could have done rather well in, but once the Nocturne realized I was the only one killing him, he was on my ass the rest of the game.  Always fun being the one that's focused.

If you got scrub problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but elo hell ain't one! :awesome_for_real:

That actually made me chuckle.  At least the Nocturne approved of my skills.   I think it was the first friend request I've gotten in quite a few levels.  I have a host of people on my friends list from 1-20 that I have only a vague idea of who they are.  

And I'm generally well mannered in games, I don't trade barbs with my team or snipe.   I think "play more cautiously" or "you need more farm" is about as negative as I usually get.  I think at worst I've said "I don't think I deserve criticism from someone's that 0/9." or "how many times has that Panth double killed you two now?" (it was 5).

This is my outlet for frustration.  Perhaps I should just blog/radicalthon this nonsense.  Might be fun and actually possible since I usually end my games at least a half an hour before I crash.

I'm waiting for someone to start a low elo blog. It will be lol worthy.

It might be fun actually recording and commentating on one of my own matches. 

"Yah, missed every single CS there."
"No idea why I thought I could win that." 
"Yep, completely forgot where my champ was during that entire fight." 
"Apparently I didn't realize I had flash up."
"I won that fight because that guy just stood there and let me beat on him.  Might have been AFK.  I hope he was."

Just played a ranked game where a guy on their team disconnected and my team didn't take the game seriously. (Can you guess what happens later?)

Even though we are playing a 5 v 4 game we are behind on kills and I am fighting 1 v 2 bottom Trist vs Ez / Soraka, because for some reason Janna is just running all around the map and nobody else will come bottom. So I manage to lose bot tower in a 5 v 4 game. Then their guy who was gone comes back (did you guess that would happen?) They have Moakai, Ez, Soraka, Karthus and Xerath and our Morde has built no defense of any kind so there is no way he can do anything. Half the time he dies before he can even activate ult. We manage to get an inhib and Baron while their Moakai who missed a lot of the game is low level, then get aced, then get practically aced again.

Then our GP disconnects.

So at this point everyone on both teams is super farmed. (Ez had 600 CS by end of game 600! and 30k gold. 30k!, Karthus had 2 Archangels staffs...) We have two of their inhibs down, but it is now 5v4 in their favor. We then spend the next 10 minutes slowly pushing along with our super minions, trying to poke and thin out their minions and very slowly win the game. (Thank god I'm Trist!) We get their Nexus down to about 20% health then we get practically aced again. (I think Janna lived) Then we slow push behind the minions again for another 10 minutes. Like I hit one person on their team with one shot, back off, heal off a minion, kill one of their minions, try to hit the Nexus once, run away - it's like performing surgery. The whole time in chat I am saying "don't fight just slow push and let me peck at them." Eventually we grind it out and win.

It was the kind of game that both teams deserved to lose. But it sure feels good to be the winner...playing 64 minutes and losing a game that was 5v4 in our favor for the first 25 minutes (but 5v4 in their favor for the last 25) would have been brutal.

Ohh god, just had an enemy Soraka pull a "DAT BUILD" on me.. for essentially having the same build.  Only real diff is that they had mobility boots and I had merc treads.  And they had a Soul Shroud and I didn't (had a negatron cape).  Other than that.. Shurelia's, Randuin, Aegis. But apparently my build was awful lacking the 10% cdr they had on me.  And our endgame stats/gold, virtually the same.
 
Post game others thought she was commenting on how similar.. nope, dead serious.  I R BIG NOOB FOR NOT HAVING THE CDR ON SOUL SHROUD.  I never see that built on Soraka.   :|

Fucking weirdos.

edit: on a positive note, Udyr is a lot of fun.

CDR on Soraka is good. Mobility boots is pretty wacky though.

Yah, I should have Ionian boots, I usually do. Mainly got mercs because Sion kept focusing me and I was taking poke damage from AP Kogmaw (annoying).  But it wasn't like I was building death cap, malady or something odd.  

Game was odd anyhow.  Our Brand died in like 3 hits. Every team fight was a 5v4.  Plus our Lee Sin was retarded.  Kept talking shit to our Sivir, who was wrecking face hard.  She was pretty much our only damage in team fights (top was a tank build Singed).

Ohh well, everyone instalocked quicker than I did.  Next time I'll just support-plank and carry.  :awesome_for_real:

Yeah, I almost never build Soul Shroud on Soraka: given a fairly standard support masteries page, you should be getting 10% CDR from masteries, 15% from shurelia's, and 15% from ionian, so you're capped there.

But, you should always be capping your CDR on Soraka somehow.

Tough room.  You guys would have "DAT SORAKA BUILD"ed too!

So, what marks on a lanedyr?  Don't have a lot of runepages, so I going to just use my generic ad top laner page of arpen marks, armor seals, mr glyphs and movespeed (should I change this to health?) quints.

I think I've actually been doing AP runes for Udyr - though I wouldn't necessarily call my performances hallmark.  :awesome_for_real: He seems like one of those types you could do a hybrid runes/Triforce build with tanky masteries for and do well.