f13.net

Developer: Mojang Specifications (Notch Persson)

Cost: $27 USD Buy Here! (https://minecraft.net/store/minecraft)

Minecraft is a game that somewhat defines its own genre and has been best described as Rogue meets Dwarf Fortress meets 3D Dot Heroes. The game is being developed by Markus Persson (Notch) who has stated that his only true design decision is to keep the game fun and accessible.

Screenshots & Videos:

Animal Cannon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeV0XB-w_yM)

Welcome to Rapture - Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNxcxnKYPOc), Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDjDV_Q_RI4)

Minecraft Interstate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asImTDkPWKA&feature=player_embedded#)

Minecraft: The life of Schrauben (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_OZsB4JHqc&feature=player_embedded)


Find below some tools/links that can improve your Minecraft experience (Post any suggestions and I'll add them):

Guides/Information

5 Part Beginners Tutorial (http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=21089)

Wiki Links

Crafting (http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Crafting) - Explains crafting in its basic form and gives picture recipes for how to create specific items.

Furnace (http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Furnace) - Breaks down using the furnace, burng times for different fuels and provides a table of raw material outputs when used in the furnace.

Data Values (http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Data_Values) - A list of the item data values in Minecraft. Useful for spawning items when their crafted counterparts don't work or if you want to mess around in Singeplayer.

Server Commands (http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Survival_multiplayer) - A list of commands for admins, ops and users. Note: /wood and /iron are disabled on our server as we have persister and working furnaces.

Apps

Xau's HD Texture Fix
Fixes issues with 32x32+ textures, which typically break flowing water, flowing lava, fire and compass animations.

Download: Click Here! (http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=46173)

Cartograph
Creates PNG images of your world with various options for the style of image produced. This the program used to create the f13 Server map posted below.

Download: Click Here! (http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=13134)

MCMap
Alternative to Cartograph that runs much more efficiently, but lacks the same amount of options.

Download: Click Here! (http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=40327)

Texture Packs

Doku's RPG Texture Pack
Gives that old school RPG feel to Minecraft. Works well with the Doku Item Pack (list below).

Download: Click Here! (http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=33310)

Soupiest's Texture Pack
This texture pack adds a much cleaner look to Minecraft making it a bit easier on the eyes. There's currently no texture for fire or moving water in this pack, which is a limitation of the game rather than the artist. Here's a picture of the texture pack for comparison:

Download: Click Here! (http://thesoupiest.tumblr.com/texture)

3D Dot Heroes Texture Pack
A texture pack inspired by the video game 3D Dot Heroes. A bit more detail than Soupiest's texture pack, but not much different. Also has hi-res versions and various other texture tweaks.

Download: Click Here! (http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=9613)

More textures can be found here! (http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=25)

Skins

The Skindex (http://www.minecraftskins.com/) - The best place to find a skin for your character in Minecraft. The webpage is just a list of skins with a preview link and the option to directly upload the skin to your Minecraft profile (Click the green up arrow.)


f13 has a dedicated Minecraft server running various mods.

To gain access you must PM me for the IP. The only restriction is that you must be an existing member and not have signed up (recently) just to use the server.

Server Map:

Right click, Save as (http://db.tt/6GCrYd3) for full size PNG (Currently at: 63MB)

i .. if that description is at all true, the alternate description is 'game what will cause many of my friends to lose their jobs and die of malnutrition after the 355th consecutive hour of gameplay'

Played around with it for a while a few days back, but didn't see anything to do.  Can smash the ground, or stack blocks of various colors on it, but I couldn't find anything else.  I mean, the environment looked kind of cool, but I didn't see anything to build or any reason to build it.  What am I missing?

Oddly enough I stumbled across this while reading an interview with DF's Toady. Guess I'll check it out now.

You're playing the Classic version which is simply a builder (As seen here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWPk5zlKAEM). Turn audio off.) The Alpha version, which is paid, has a lot more to it. Crafting, mining, monsters, dungeons and so on. It's a lot more fleshed out. Take a look at the Wiki (http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Main_Page) to get an idea and acquaint yourself with the Creeper. Evil fucking monsters.

I watch the roomie play it a lot.  I'll probably get it once multi-player is in, so we can make some crazy project together.

Went in yesterday, servers were released today. Though they're insanely buggy, but he said he would be fixing bugs until he leaves for his trip.

Whaaaaaaaat.  MP now?  Mmmk, downloading.

Yeah I've been dinking around with this for the past week or so in anticipation of the Survival Multiplayer stage. I fired up a server today at lunch and tried it out - it's still a bit laggy and buggy, and there's notably no monsters, but all the other mechanics seem to work.

I promptly picked a mountain to turn into my doom fortress and began carving out a canal so I can have a nice deepwater harbor.

Nix, your starting area looks way more epic than mine. Bastard.

It'd be kind of neat if someone set up an F13 Minecraft Alpha server though.

I think I've mentioned this before, to samprimary, I said that he should take all that's fun with this game and put it into the legoland game ;)

People have gone full retard on this game, much like dwarf fortress - a guy has already made several adders and is working on a difference engine. There are secret lairs, fire pits, traps, hidden rooms, automated minecart rides, all sorts of cool stuff. I'm keeping an eye on this game for sure.

The first large construction I make is going to be

(http://www.filedump.net/dumped/bridge11280940788.jpg)

I haven't seen anyone else show the same kind of landscape I'm getting. I'm really wondering if it had to do with what I was doing during the map generating. I'll have to test it out, but in the mean time I'll take pictures and let you love my beautiful landscape.

Also, yes. A server is needed. Who wants to start this endeavor?

Edit: Stream HERE (http://brocraft.net/minecraft.html) for those who want to see what it's all about.

I don't mind the 'discounted preorder to playtest' model at all, I did it for Mount and Blade, but it is sort of annoying there's no way to play anything but the builder without paying first at all. This is the sort of thing I'd really need to try once with the real gameplay, even if it was just a 30 minute time limited trial or something, before I'd pony up.

An f13 server would be nice, if I had time I'd poke around it.

edit:  um yup

Old Schild would have had a server up the minute it came out.

I miss Old Schild.

Useful links:

Wiki one: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/ (NB: Run by a bunch of anal-retentives who don't think they should document 'obvious' stuff, but still mostly useful).
Wiki two: http://minepedia.net/index.php?title=Main_Page (Alternate, newer wiki)

Player skins list: http://skins.tkte.ch/

Random Youtube tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VWnQHS-ffs

Bad Things only appear from darkness (either unlit caves or night-time) Some Bad Things really don't like sunlight, others just don't like spawning in it but are otherwise unaffected.

Want coal/iron/gold/etc? Find a cave system.

And one final thing: ssssssSSSSSSSSSS

Note that the current survival multiplayer is pretty light on features and heavy on bugs. Furnaces don't work. There's no savable inventory system yet, so all your stuff vaporises when you log off. There's no mob spawning, friendly or hostile, and there's no day/night cycling yet.

Still, it's a great first step and given how fast Minecraft develops, it should be super-keen by the end of the month.

Unfortunately he's away for most of the month, but hopefully he can squeeze some time into fixing some stuff and giving the basics.

My server is up and running fine, though I obviously can't tell how lag is. If anyone wants to hop on.

There's a few thousand kilometers of ocean between Nix and my box. I had some awful lag loading up - 10-30 seconds, sometimes more. Once the terrain finished loading (after about 5-10 minutes) it settled down a bit, ranging between 1-5 seconds. Not great, but enough to run around and have Nix drop me into pits.

This is going to rock when it's done.

I bought this game just based on some screenshots and descriptions and after playing for about 2 hours (just a few minutes I told myself..) I can already tell it's going to consume me, especially with the rapid pace of development of useful features and content.

Stopped by the F13 server but it was about a 5-10 second lag on everything, so I went and played some single player instead.

This game definitely has most of the features that hooked me on Dwarf Fortress, but with a whole lot better interface. The developer's commitment to open sourcing the code when he's bored with it is even more encouraging. Time to start pondering an architectural masterpiece!

aaaaannnnd I have been sucked in.

Sorry for the lag guys, hopefully we can get more people in on this and have an actual server up. It was just running on my home box and after awhile the memory usage on the server (~200MB) was about all it could handle.

Oh wow.  I start digging out a nice home and then a zombie spawns in it and kicks my ass in seconds.  This is awesome.

It looks crude but even the videos sort of suck you into it. If it can harness the human urge to build things along with becoming a platform where lots of people can increase the depth and possibilities of the world I see good things coming.

Using minecraft as a display engine and dwarf fortress for game mechanics sounds like a bit of a no-brainer.

(Edit)

I see It's a solo project rather than a platform.

Minecraft: The Movie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14KwzYBjm-8)

Fake edit: Anyone able to take a look at the server software and see what kind of server it would take to run it?

It's a java app. I tried running it on my web server, but I'm no longer on a dedicated server and they've locked down the max process size. (I can't even get java to tell me what version it is because the memory space is too small).

From what I've read on other forums, the memory footprint is in the 500-700MB range. The real kicker is the bandwidth footprint - you need at least 500kbit/sec of available upstream transfer capacity for an 8-10 player server because the network stream is so unoptimized right now.

Just wait a few months. The guy is a coding madman.

That would explain why my server started to slow down at ~9 people.


I can't wait! I MUST MINE! Mine with me?

Don't do it, it's a trap!  He just wants someone around as a canary.

I found that during the night, If I am not well equipped and armed, I go into my workshop, with stone floors and walls with a door, I play with my materials building shit until daytime. So far nothing has spawned inside my workshop or gotten in as long as I had a real floor, and not just dirt. It could be just my imagination or sheer luck, but that's whats keeping me safe at night.

Yah, looks like I'll be making a crafting panic room. The noises at night just creep me out.

How bright was your cave-home? Zombies can spawn in poorly-lit areas, even indoors. As a result, my caves shine like the goddamn golden face of Apollo himself at night.

I also tend to make sky castles and terraces because I like to watch the zombies burn at dawn.

I waver on whether or not to leave it on Normal or Peaceful. I hate Creepers. The fuckers spawn in packs of 5 for me, so when I go to get wood I have to do a mad dash, lose them and then start my wood chopping. It's not very constructive especially when I'm anal about replanting trees. Trees don't grow when they get BLOWN THE FUCK UP.

I find that creatures seem to despawn after a short time if you go far away from where they are; you need to go far enough away for the blocks to be unloaded, I think. Also, I don't think it spawns creatures in blocks that are unloaded.

One solution? Very long underground tunnel to a wood farm area.

Alternate solution that I like better? Gigantic mega-greenhouse on top of a mountain, with torches all over the fucking place to keep spawns out. As a bonus, enough torches and the trees will even grow at night.

I like megascale construction projects.

That's a good idea. I started a new map and my mining tunnel is situated under a huge mountain, so the mountain top grow op would work I'll turn Peaceful off once I finish cleaning up the cave I just spelunked. Crack open a wall to 2 lava pits, I see a single hole in the wall, which led to a 3 hour adventure.

I keep doing something to get my ass killed before I can construct anything truly heroic. I assume getting killed wipes out what you've done?  I can never seem to find my site and since it's at night usually..  :awesome_for_real:

I managed to get myself killed earlier on a fairly well developed site when I dug down, took a wrong step and ended up plunging down a deep hole. I then got knocked into lava by a skeleton's bow shot.  It rocked.

For you Rasix

http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=21089 (http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=21089)





I have been looking at learning how to build more elaborate systems for secret locks for doors and what not and these are giving me trouble understanding how to apply them.

http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Redstone_circuits (http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Redstone_circuits)

That all looks very straightforward to me -- what, you didn't take a couple of semesters of electrical engineering in college?   :awesome_for_real:

Yo dawg, I herd you like computers...

NiX and I did a little Minecrafting tonight. Thus far we've started the mine, built a staircase up to the top of the mountain, and built a fort at the top. After NiX logged, I started a land bridge from one mountain top to another. I had a random disconnect and lost my tools so I didn't do too much after that.

At any rate, we'd like to get a couple other F13'ers in on this!

The greenhouse ceiling needs to be REALLY high - at least 6 cubes off the floor, if not more.

I hope you like glass.  :awesome_for_real:

Yeah, caught the errors when I woke up to restart the server. On the upside, with us being the only ones on it the memory issues don't seem to creep up.

Server will be up for most of day, send me a PM if you want the IP.

None of the texture pack installation instructions seem to work for me.  :sad_panda:

edit: works now.  Minecraft was saving temp data to a completely different directory than what they assumed.

Pedoforge makes me chuckle.

That's fucking awesome. If I weren't chest-deep in another game right now, I'd love to be humbled by this one!

I'm in the same boat. No idea how to use them and feel like I didn't take a course I should have.

Step 1.  Get the bright idea to dig out a window in your crafting room to see when the night has ended.

Step 2.  Dig a large window only one tile above floor level.

Step 3.  Oops, need to go get the glass.

Step 4.  Get glass from chest.

Step 5.  Turn around and see that a creeper has jumped into your window opening and is running toward you.

Good bye.

Where is this mythical F13 server?

Check the title again.

Damm. This game is addictive.  :ye_gods:

I just wasted 3 or 4 hours on this thing before going to work.

And I also managed to log into the F13 server. I added ladders to the (impressive) tower-thingy and some real stone stairs to a castle-like structure I found on a hill in the clouds.

After logging off I realized that it might be bad form to mess with other peoples constructions, so I apologize for that.

I built the castle, so it's totally cool if you tinker with it.

I think the etiquette standard should just be that you don't completely overhaul something. If you want to add to something and whatever you add is in keeping with the style of the structure, have at it!

Btw, is this a dedicated server and are our accomplishments stored somehow ?

Yep! Items are not saved, but the world is.

Basically this means that anything you build will be saved, but any item you mine/craft (ha!) will not. This also includes what you store inside chests.

Dedicated in the sense that my personal computer is restarted along with the server once a day.

Tarami and I worked hard on this tonight! 'Twas a good time.

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/82469/tarami2.png)

Good fun indeed. I added a couple of small arches to fill the big empty void inside the triangles after you had logged off, I'm not sure what I think of them. Just knock them down if you don't like them.

Can't play on the server anymore. I am stuck on logging in. I enter the world, move or dig and then I rubberband to the starting position every 5 seconds or so.

I like this texture pack, but it doesn't have textures for NPCs. I was wondering why none of my single player games had any animals!! Now I know.

Animals show up in my games and even in the multiplayer. Something must be up with that.

Server is down. Came back from lunch and the server wasn't running, went to read the server log and noticed the world file is gone. I'll be bringing it back up after looking through the log to see what might have caused it.

It was acting flakey about an hour ago - put down a block and it'd disappear, then (sometimes) reappear after a minute or so.

Nothing in the log to indicate WTF happened. Brought the server back up.

I probably fucked it up with all the lava.

Ze tower, it is done!

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h88/bzalthek/tower.jpg)

You should do a video of your whole damn complex. You're so crazy.

I'd probably get lost.  I have a bunch of small ramps and spirals that exit out at different places.

Oh, there's a torch grove behind yer sign.  I didn't want to let em rot when others could probably use em.  I made too many.

I took a backup of the server before heading to bed last time and will continue to do that until a better version of the server is released.

What way did you guys pay for this?  My credit card didn't want to work through paypal with this (though I've used it for other things through paypal before).

I used paypal instant bank transfer. Are you logging in to make the payment?

I'm clicking buttons while my five year old daughter is telling me what to build and where.  So far we have a house with a pink roof, a crystal tree, a monolith and an underwater cavern.  She wants me to put in playground toys next... not exactly sure how to do that one.

You could use a minecart to do a spiral slide, water as a fire pole (encase it in glass for effect)..etc. Creativity for the win!

I like the glass windows in the mine, pretty nifty. I dug out a moat and build a bridge on the way in to my little place. Tried to move the water via a tunnel to fill the lower two brick levels of the moat but alas it didn't work. You can see how the water flowed in about 10 bricks then stopped. I'm building a tower up that suspended via two columns, its the one on the right as you zone in. Thinking it might be possible to create a diving board or a start point for a rollercoaster.

I can't wait for an updated multiplayer server. Its super buggy right now.

I my next project will be a torch filled greenhouse dome.  With lots of trees.

Is that yours above the MINE sign because that is fantastic!

That's mine. It was all part of the MINE, glass room and tunnels. I take it you found your way in.

Edit: Nightly backup/restart is done.

It has begun!
(spoiler for size)

Does anyone know / can people confirm that the world state can be exported/loaded across updates?

Is all this effort going to go to waste if a new, better multiplayer version of the server comes out?

The developer has stated that people playing single player shouldn't get too attached to things because the basics of the world may change, invalidating saves. I'd assume this is more so the case with multiplayer, given its immaturity. I just assume anything I build is good practice for some grand masterpiece someday. The fun is in the journey, and all that jazz.

Works the same as SP, so it should persist across updates. Unless he changes something fundamental.

Edit: Plus above. I'm making the assumption people know it's still in Dev and anything can happen.

Also, keep in mind:


And annoying griefing potential:

The first part I assumed, so I've been stopping the server before my backups.

As for the second, what? Does this mean they can copy their persistence .jar from SP and it brings items over to MP? or...?

Apparently!

I took a Cartographer picture of our world as it is the last time the server saved the chunks.

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41161/Images/f13/f13_world_labeled.png) (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41161/Images/f13/f13_world.png)
Click for the full map (1.5MB)

Very awesome.

I'm going to be picking this up sometime this week after I get the billing sorted out.  I look forward to playing with you all :).  Also, NiX can you PM me the server info so I can play when I get it up and running?

The ? ? ? ? was me. Playing around the first night and thats where I ended up building some stuff unable to find anyone. Feel free to destroy it.

Also right behind my ramp to the sky is a yellow brick you can kinda see that's Tairnyn's fortress.

You're going to abandon it? I wandered pretty far in and was impressed. I'd build a bridge to Tairnyn's dragon monument.

I think i left it as a road to no where, yeah I'm going to give up on it and start in on a cart transport from my ramp.

This is the 3d dot dragon I made overlooking the harbor. I removed the blocks under it to make it look like it was flying, but I think I liked it perched on the edge better. The lack of colored types of blocks makes it difficult to get contrast, but I know there's plans to add dyes for cloth block, which will be awesome.

I love the torches as nostrils.

Tried the single player a bit with the texture pack NiX linked.  The first nightfall had me falling down a ditch and dying to a spider when I lost vision.  I then constructed a mighty island fortress to protect me and my subjects from further harm.


WTB a fire beetle eye.

Aw hell yeah, cropcircles are talking to me!

On a side note, how did you get that cartographer picture of the f13 world?  Is that functionality built in or is there some addon or 3rd party program?  I really like it either way.

3rd party app found here. (http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=13134)

Server down while I download TV shows. Figured I'd just put her down instead of lag anyone on to death. Should be back up in 10-15 minutes.

Woo! Single player spelunking! I spent about 5 hours playing this.

Initially, I found a small cave with a monster spawner and treasure chest (this is a secret/bonus area apparently). Pull up the chest, and there's a hole underneath leading to an extensive cave complex. The monster spawner room became my camp and I dive right in. I haven't completely mapped the cave yet, but I've put about 200 torches in it. I found diamond and redstone wayyyy in. It's fun!

To assist, I use 2 torches together to indicate the way home when it branches/forks, but in general, 'up' is the way back. If there's a dead end, I block off a chest-height railing section to indicate that it's been scouted/cleaned out.

Server is down for migration to a dedicated server. We're testing this out to see how well it works. It'll be running off the West Coast and once I get the IP to connect I'll start sending it to those I know use the server.

This game is awesome, I've just spent a few hours when I should have been sleeping hollowing out a mountain I'll sheath in stone to turn into a huge fortress.  I think I have just found my crack.

Please send me the IP for the f13 server when its set up  :grin:

Yay, do you need any donations/support for the server cost?

Continued playing with the furnace more after you left and its still broken, server spawned one did the same as user created. Any crafting would progress half way via the arrow and stop. Apparently it's a known bug in SMP but the only reliable fix for crafting via furnace is inside Llamacraft (http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1012&t=23483) server mod.

Working on now building the water slide from the top of the tower towards the dragon :drill:

We'll wait on the donations/support as this is just a test to see how well this runs on Trippy's server. If it ends up being too taxing I'll rent a VPS or even a dedicated if need be and enough people show sustained interest.

I'll see if that can be applied to ours when it goes up, though I don't want to be too pushy with adding stuff.

Do I smell a water park coming on?

Water is too finicky at the moment.  It's a bitch trying to get it to go where you want it.

Edit: Bored bored bored bored!

It's not a liquid anymore, which is why it's so hard to make it do anything. I need to post a list of things that tax the server. Created large amounts of water that involves lots of moving (waterfall) can cause some serious strain.

We're up and running. Sending out the IP to those that asked for it.

I read that the current server version hasn't implemented storage which is why furnaces don't work. It requires storing the materials temporarily inside the furnace. Also chests don't work if you log off, same reason. I made the mistake of putting a bunch of shit in one to restart the client. Poof.

I have to see if Trippy can load the custom server wrapper to get furnaces working, but yeah, chests don't work. We can look at adding a wrapper that allows item spawning, but that can lead to issues with people over spawning stuff and forgetting how much some of it can tax the server.

Seems quick NiX. The chunk updates were very quick, no noticable movement lag, but well the minecraft generally falls down under a load of 2+ users. So hopefully tonight there will be a few more people constructing.


The guy writing Llamacraft (http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1012&t=23483) has a kludge fix. He's also written in a command /lighter so in conjunction with fixed furnace that would open up a lot of building as you can finally craft iron. No rush, having a server is better then none. Thanks Trippy for hosting, the RAM requirements killed me even thinking of offering up my linode.

It seems to stick around if you die and drop your items on the ground. If I need to relog and don't feel like making a bunch of pick-axes again, I will fall off something tall to die and then relog.

Trippy is going to try and put Llama in tonight.

The downside is more hacks/mods they use, the more chance that it's going to crash. As ambitious server admins are discovering.

Played on the new server for a bunch of hours this evening last night.  Pure awesome.

I build an underground tunnel that goes between the mainland and a small island.  Built small houses around entrances.  Also got a small farm/garden going outside. If anyone needs food, they should be able to harvest it from there after it grows a bit more.   To find the place follow the road near the dragon that runs along the shore line.

Also, to anyone on the fence: buy this.

I keep getting sidetracked by underground tunnels!

friend and I are building massive tunnels under the skull with crying eye...

we tried to giving it flaming eyes of awesomeness  :drill: but we learned lava flows are ... unpredictable and hard to destroy

I am learning about water. It is slow. Items not lasting and no furnaces is annoying.

I think the server is down. Not sure if Trippy is updating the files or if it just crashed.

can you post cartopgrapher of caves?
and the world file? I wanna blow up the tower :D

I can post the cartographer, but the world file I have will be outdated unless all you want is Bzaltheks tower.

I did just want his tower, but will wait till a more updated one, because almost all my work was done over night and I'd like to see it

Livestreaming on the f13 server now at www.livestream.com/newslang

Was doing it so a friend could see multiplayer, but I figured I'd post it here in case anyone wants to see.

I'll probably just have to send you the outdated one. I'm not running the server anymore, so I'd have to bug Trippy to get the files, which involves stopping the server so it saves the most recent chunks.

Edit: I'm going to be editing the OP to include some ground rules and guidelines based on the server softwares instability. Noticed A LOT of water has been spawned, which is notorious for causing heavy chunk updates when it flows and can cause disconnects or crashes. I've plugged up what I placed, what others placed and I'm in the process of plugging up that hole in the sea floor that pours into a cavern.

I try to avoid working with water.  Though there is a little undersea cave I just discovered with a nice small waterfall which I left. 

Server is back up running the llamacraft patches. Let me know if there are any problems.

http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1012&t=23483

I've only done some very minor shoreline stuff to even out the land for some projects, but I've not experimented much with flowing water simply because I'm scared of ruining my projects.   Though when I was first making my underground/water tunnel to the island where I'm going to build my fort, I did spring a leak once very early in the project which I was quickly able to plug up.  Since then I've been very careful when working below sea level.

Edit: I still can't figure out how to make the furnace work.  I can seem to light it with the lighter mod, but smelting never starts when I put the materials in (coal, clay).  There is now flame indication in the furnace UI, but it does show up on the furnace block.  I suspect I'm doing something wrong, but I don't know what.

For the most part springing leaks and plugging them is fine. Placing huge amounts of water and cracking open the sea floor into a cavern is the big issue. Any huge changes to waterflow causes issues with chunk size. Same applies to lava.

Smelting works and I was able to build a small rail track. Abandoning the waterside for mine carts!

I just popped onto Trippy's server and man, is there a night and day difference between this and what it was like when it was on someone's home PC. Almost no lag, loaded the visible world within a minute. Completely playable despite transoceanic distances.

Of course, now this means I can't even get away from Minecraft by going home... ooooh boy.  :ye_gods:

Hooray for furnaces! I've been lost without access to glass, metal, and cooked stone. Time to start digging downward for some valuable minerals.

Server performance is excellent, by the way. I'll gladly pitch in for the costs of running it.

Minecraft + Portal  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PBIqoBP_y4)

:drill:

I have done a lot with water. But I have mostly been making stablee water, having destroyed a lot of land, to one to two tiles depth and with no flow. I hope that's ok.

Can't wait to do some smelting. I have huge plans.

PERSISTENT INVENTORY!

Just download the persister JAR file from HERE (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41161/persister.jar) and run it. It'll open Minecraft normally, just login and voila! Just a note: It takes snapshots of your inventory periodically, so you need to give it time. Don't collect a diamond and then disconnect. Give it some time to run its course and then log off. (Credit (http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3323710&userid=137798))

I can't stop.

My god this game is one of the most addicting things since crack.

I have no idea what you're talking about and I deny it with every breath of my being!

 :oh_i_see:

Starting work on the underground city tonight. It will be epic!

Also, if I find naturally occuring water and lava flows underground do you want me to try to plug them up for the sake of server performance? Been just building around them for scenery.

Who'd want to, except a crazy person?

There's a launcher update and game update right now, gotta repatch in the texture pack. I'd assume there's a server one too.

Shared chests and inventory next week, squee!

How does this work, do I need to patch manually?  Also, does updating mean you can't connect until the server updates, etc, or will stuff just work

God I love this game...

Spent the best part of 2 hours pruning a tree and planting more for a loosely planned green archway entrance to my "kingdom" and building a tiny little dock and shed for travellers who decide to visit. Oh.. and made a big sign in the sky...

Thinking I will try and have automatic metal doors in my moat so you can drive a boat in.. not sure if this will work, might need a button or lever.

Would love to see a new cartographer.. I get the feeling people are building stuff in areas I haven't visited yet. If it's off the road I probably haven't seen it.

Or people could just give directions here so I know when I got for a explore next time.

The launcher needs to be updated so go to minecraft.net and download a new one. From there it will update your game automatically. After that any mods you were using (i'm guessing the 3d dot heros skin) will have to be reapplied to your minecraft.jar

You won't be able to connect to any servers because the update is forced and you won't be able to login with an old client. You won't be able to connect until Trippy can update the server *NOTE* without Lamahcraft 1.7 as its currently broken with todays update.

Minecraft Alpha 1.0.16, Minecraft Server 0.1.1, and a new Launcher (http://notch.tumblr.com/post/942787216/) patch notes and instructions.

You fucks are going to force me to buy this, aren't you?

Ok, i'm just going to hold off until the server gets updated then

Should I just leave the server the way it is now so you guys can keep using the furnaces? There's no real gameplay changes in the server update -- it's just admin stuff.

The game will force you to update no matter what, so the server needs to be updated either way.

It does? lamaros and Malakili are playing on the server right now.

Soon as they logout/close the launcher it will force the update.

Map with landmarks I know of.

I just logged in with the old launcher.  After signing in I get a note that it is outdated, but after choosing to "play offline" I can select multiplayer and join the server like normal.

I made a little shrine to a tree sapling last night.  The way the water comes down to form a natural entrance is pretty cool.


The challenge is going to be finding it again since I was totally lost after almost drowning in Bzalthek's tree farm. 

Is there some better instructions for the skin pack than "put this into the .jar"?  Because I don't know how to do that.

Also connection refused.  I love alphas. :why_so_serious:

Well, Trippy was just taking the server down a few minutes ago, I don't know if its up and running again yet.

also:

Open the .jar file with winrar, then drag the contents of the skin pack in (not the parent folder if there is one for the pack you are using), then save.  Then afterwards I think you need to change minecraft.jar to read only or some jazz if I remember,

I updated the server to the latest. No more furnaces for now :cry:

Edit: update your client Malakili :awesome_for_real:

That high glass house is from whoever dumped all the water tiles and TNTd holes in the seabed. I'll go tear it down and remove the lava (If it looks like it was placed rather than legit)

If anyone sees huge holes in the sea, let me know and I'll go block them up.

The lava was a flow out of a mountain, I can't tell if it was placed or not, but it doesn't seem to be causing any problems at present.

haven't seen any ocean problems.

Also - New client breaks persistence mod even if you back up your files, no more iron tools for us until next week.

SuperLlama is working on an update to his patches so it hopefully shouldn't be too long before that will be ready.

Oh, yea.  Derp.  I assume applying read-only will prevent it from being updated.

Yes it will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHiL-e9yEgM = An anti-flood system.

I really need to try this out.

I marked my territory with a Y.  I don't know where it is in the overall map. :oh_i_see:

Or rename it to .zip and open in your favorite zipfile editor (aka 7zip), add the files from the pack, exit and rename back to .jar.

My favorite zipfile editor is WinRAR, so ... :grin:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41161/Images/F13/servermapsmall.jpg) (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41161/Images/F13/custom-map-obliqueangle-day.png)

Click for full size PNG map (3MB).

Fun fact: Since moving to the dedicated server, the map file has expanded from roughly 6.5MB to 26.8MB

For a world that size, that's pretty awesome data compression.

Nix and I just found an awesome cave system and actually managed to find our way out at the end.  :drill:

Has anyone been to the edge of the map?  What happens if you go there?

Also: Server is pretty unstable at the moment, I'm going to stay logged out for now.

The Alpha has infinite map size so I think it generates more terrain as people move to the 'edge'.  When mining if you hit bedrock thats the limit of the bottom of the world (though apparently there are some holes you can fall through), and the clouds seem to be at the upper limit at a level you can't build at anymore.

Is this the case for multiplayer as well?  I was under the impression it wasn't infinite like the single player.

You can go above clouds, but there is an upper ceiling i believe.

RE: Size. Look at the two cartographer maps. The world has grown.

Hmm interesting, I guess that makes sense, Rockchops and I went pretty far north of the dome earlier and I couldn't place where we were on the map, maybe it was far enough out that new stuff was generated

Amazing picture I found on the minecraft forums, makes my little fort look like crap

Love seeing the big map.  Zoomed in and found my lost building.

Amazing. Dunno if you could ever do that while playing from scratch though.

Oooh, pretty picture!

I think that's the part I love best; the infinite world.  Always room for someone else, always something new to explore.

I'm looking forward to some gentrification when Nix's mine becomes prime real estate and gets redeveloped into apartments.

Edit: Regarding Night-time and the day cycle. Is this just where the multiplayer server is at, or have we turned it off? Would be nice to get at least a quick cycle of night when it becomes possible, for lighthouses and stuff.

Night time is survival mode only I think.  Multiplayer survival mode isn't implemented yet.

so what is the deal with liquids, should we remove it if we find it while digging/building, or can we meld it into our work

and does it really cause that big of a problem with the newer version?  I know the old one where water flooded endlessly did, while it was doing chunk updates.

Server has been updated to Llamacraft 2.1. Give furnaces a try again.

New persister.jar for the current version:

http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1012&t=25214

There goes my evening...

Technically the server is Survival, Notch just released it well before he was ready because people kept asking.


It causes issues with the Alpha server because it's not optimized, so constant and huge updates to chunks for water/lava flow have been causing disconnects and server instability. The game is pretty good about generating very small water sources, so that's not an issue. It's when users start placing huge cascading waterfalls that things start to go bad.

For the most part, it's the reason why most of the server admin mods revolve around being able to remove certain blocks and restricting as much of the inventory hacks as possible.

See, this is why I should never sleep.  I wake up and all the mods are working again, all that time wasted!

Looking forward to getting some more iron tools  :drill:

I am responsible for the expansion of the map on the right side. :oh_i_see:  Which is neat because I now have a general idea where Yegogard is.  Or, is going to be.

I have my water under control, but if it is a problem let me know. I would rather fix myself if it is. It took a fair while to do.

I don't know if I broke my client or if there is something wrong on the server, but I can't collect things anymore.  Dig a hole, it refills.  Crappy because I was digging out a tunnel before I was disconnected.

Confirmed. Server is not allowing block updates.

Edit: nevermind, fixed!

Seems to work if I move away from the spawn area.

In other news, I just replaced my DSL modem due to having four desyncs this morning.  Crossing fingers.

Ah, yeah, you're not allowed to build or destroy in the spawn area. Supposedly Ops can do it, but I haven't been able to since Trippy added me to the Op list.

Lamaros tried to explain it to me last night by my downs syndrome kicked it; how do furnaces work?   I build it, I /lighter for the tool but I don't know what to do with the tool.  Lam told me to build a wall behind the forge and use the tool on it, but that just got me burned if too close and nothing much else

Equip the tool and use it on the top of the furnace. It will start a flame briefly and the furnace should work after that. It will be active until no one is around and everything will disappear if it's no longer in an active chunk, so I usually sit there and watch it.

Ah, so the wall is behind and one block above the furnace?  I tried clicking on top of the furnace but that just opens the furnace.

edit: indeed.  I got it working, thanks for detailing that

You can also light it from below, which is much safer. Just put the furnace on top of a block and then destroy the block below it.

Also, sad news about the update:

I'm frankly not looking forward to monsters all that much anyway, I'm enjoying my building projects in peace.  I think that a style of server with monsters (well I guess its called "survival" for a reason) would be fun, but given the mentality we've already formed on the server, I feel like it would be pretty jarring to the experience to suddenly have creepers running around.

Says you.  I can't wait to build a monster pit I can drop trespassers into.

Less monsters more SMP fixes!

By the sounds of it, this might be far off. Notch has made a few comments that make it seem like implementing monsters into the world could quite the challenge for him.

Indeed, and given fact that he was talking about villages and map creation, it might be something that is a big enough addition to make old maps obsolete/outdated which would give us a reasonable transition point anyway, rather dumping a bunch of monsters into the current one.   Pure speculation of course.

Actually, one thing you may not realize - you don't have to create a new world, you just have to walk to the edge so more is procedurally generated. The newly generated bits will have the new content.

So far, all of the updates have been like that.

That's not a problem for SP, but in MP it would be a pain in the ass, at least in its current state.

Yes, and no. You can run cartographer to see how much of the world people have explored, then just find an edge.

Some people have hacked in 'save' and 'load' so that you spawn where you logged out, and there are 'explorer' types who just walk in one direction which bloats the map, but as soon as some sort of faster-than-walking transportation is implemented, you should be able to get to an 'edge' without too much trouble.

Another possibility is simply changing the world spawn-in point to somewhere new within say 5-10 mins walk. That's beginning to happen on servers that have a bit too much construction near the spawn. It's not a new server, you can still get to the old stuff, but it allows you to play with any of the new stuff that was added while still being able to check out the old.

Hrm, do tell about adjusting the spawn in point or being able to "save"/"load". I'm actually not fond of starting in the original spawn point that the server has, we've built a lot of the area around it up (or its been mangled.) Either way, I'd like to be able to reach a more remote or "clean" area without walking for 10-15 minutes, if not longer.

I really can't wait for this game to be finished. Everything you guys have posted shows amazing potential, but I'm not down with paying for alpha.

I kind of like where our spawn point is now (ignoring the water issues). It makes it easy to tell that a server update or whatnot is working at a basic level.

What the game really needs a /loc command and a /tploc <loc> command.

Seriously? $13 or 10 euro is too much of a price to pay? Don't let 'alpha' fool you, it's completely playable, it's just sparse content-wise in some spots.


The save/load stuff doesn't work with the current version yet, it broke a day or two ago, but I'll point you to a link when they hack it back in. I believe it was the same admin toolkit that allowed you to adjust the spawn point. It also came with a "/tp name" to teleport to other players. you can do /home to go back to the spawn at least. Sadly, all this stuff that's being hacked in is for people who are admins/programmers; they are decompiling the .jars and shoving code segments in.

As annoying as it is, server stuff is going to wait another week or two or three until some basic stuff gets coded in instead of hacked in.

True story, this is worth 13 bucks in its current state, alpha label or no.

tp <player1> <player2> does work, I tried it last night, but that's an op-only command

I really don't mind having to hoof it, I think we just need to start making more roads/paths so that its easier and faster to get around, and you can always follow it back to civilization. Something like a compass would be nice though, I have to admit.

Yes. And a basic overview map.

God I'm so tempted by this game. But I can't, I have way more games than I can play right now. Maybe I'll be sneaky and buy this for the SO.

I think an overview is left out intentionally to make you think about things before running off.

Clouds are your compass. People have decided clouds move to true north, so you just stop before you leave where you are and take note of the direction.

Lucky me, it crashed.  I spent most of the day making a road to my construction site from the spawn point.  I don't want the spawn moved, easy to get sand over there.

Doesn't need to be moved, but having a persistent save for where you logged and being able to /home to get back would be nice.

I like the location also, just that structure/land there needs to be razed. It's really annoying that the block the spawn point was above has been taken out and the ground below has been taken for bricks resulting in falling to my death a few times.

Not complaining about the artwork at the spawn point but it really shouldn't of been done there, i'd rather just a small island with all the bridges off to different sections.

Speaking of this, I can confirm that, at least as it relates to cartographer images, the clouds actually move west.

My coulds move from the upper right to the lower left on the map. What is that, south? I can tell because I know from which direction they intersect my keep.

Also, clouds are client-side, so it might not be consistent. I noticed when climbjtree took screenshots with me in them.

That's actually how its been since the map was created. The first time I logged in on that map I fell into the water and by the time everyone had created stuff I realized you could fall to your death. I'll try adding to the spawn area again, but it disappears after a couple seconds.

There is a bug. Sometimes when you die, you respawn with like 1hp and so if you fall even 1 tile you die again.

Something like that could be what is happening. I've personally never really died at respawn, but everytime I die I disconnect and then reconnect.

Built a (long) bridge from the top of the skull at the spawn point to the other side of the water as a direct path to get over there.  The bridge runs straight at the sun so bring your sunglasses.

Game is crashing every few mins for me now. :(

Could be an OpenGL problem. Have you tried new graphics drivers?

In MP and SP?

Stopped crashing after the 4th one, so who knows.

is there any specific spacing for those support columns?  If You don't mind I'd like to throw some arches under the bridge.

Add away to the bridge!  I put the columns where it was easy for me to build, so no exact spacing.  I wanted to extend the columns up past the bridge but if I fell down one more time while trying to build a keyboard was going to have to be broken.

Hope you all enjoy our fancy new OP.

fancy new OP is fancy.

It doesn't have the server IP in it, are people still pm'ing you for the address? If so I sent you one a while ago, I wanna get building!

IP still isn't being posted. Realized I missed that info and updated it.

Pretty sure I sent it to you, but I'll send again.

Edit: Anyone have a TS or Vent server kicking around? I think we should start using voice.

But then you'd realize I'm not a girl!

Heh, I got us one. I'll post the info in a bit.

Updated with TeamSpeak info.

Here's what I got so far, the left has a ramp down to my sand pits, the right is a normal column.  Will finish the rest as I get rock.

Are you using the default textures?

yeah, I don't like fucking around with files to play, so I avoid extraneous shit like that

Me too. I also kinda prefer the default ones. Crude, but more texture.

That's amazing. I was trying to figure out a good way to branch off the bridge into your sand area but didn't have a good idea.  The best I could come up with was to link a road from one of your exits but this is much better.

and it's finished

What are you using to get the different colours  on the columns?

Um.....position of the sun, and shadows.

the column was originally 2 wide, and I ran those up in an arch.  Then I widened it with a row on each side, but one block out and one block under, essentially they are "connected" by a corner only.  So yeah, the different color look is due to shadows, the lighter blocks are the added trim row jutting out.

Wow, this is crazy.

How do you build something with gaps?  Like the bridges and things?

Whenever I try to dig a block out, the blocks above slide down.  I can't figure out how to place a block over air.

You must be using sand or gravel, which are affected by gravity.

That was indeed the case.  I have now successfully built a sort of tower scaffolding out of dirt!

Pro-tip for those that don't know.  Your items (like shovels and picks) deteriorate as you use them.  However, pressing Q to toss the item on the ground and then picking it back up resets the durability (essentially making shovels worth a fuck).

I kind of wish all blocks obeyed physics, or there was some kind of cave-in threat while mining.

Well mining up under sand and gravel can be hazardous to your health.  If all blocks obeyed physics, the game (to me) would be less interesting as I couldn't do half the shit I do now without a whole lot of pointless effort.  I'd rather have a little fun rather than dealing with too much realism.

That's my feelings too.

The option to play on a server with more realistic settings is something I would probably do occasionally though, but I wouldn't want the game like that all the time.

I guess I really just want a mining cave-in threat while maintaining the gravity free building aspect.  Basically, I don't know what I'm saying.   :why_so_serious:

Probably won't happen. He doesn't want to write a physics engine and to add gravity to blocks used in the construction of caves, well, I'm sure you see the problem.

Okay, crafting is straight forward.  Furnaces on the other hand, I fail at.  Somebody have a quick explanation?  I was just hoping to make some glass!

To use a furnace you need to light it manually before you can use it.  As the server has Llamacraft the steps are

1. In chat type /lighter to create a flint & tinder (it will spawn in front of you so you need to pick it up).

2. Create/place furnace

3. Build a cobblestone wall behind the furnace.

4. Equip the flint & tinder and use it on the wall above the furnace.  If you have placed it correctly the fire will burn on top of the furnace briefly and it will be lit for use for a short time.

Lighting the furnace this way doesn't replace the need for fuel, you just use the furnace window as you would normally in a single player game.

Warning: Do not just set and forget, if you move away too far from the furnace whilst its working it will switch off and you will lose everything you placed in there.

Bingo.  Now I'm cooking with coal!

If you are nearby and don't die the furnace will stay working while it has fuel and materials.

However as soon as it runs out of either it will stop working, and if you dont not have the furnace screen open at that time, destroy whatever is left in it, materials to be smelted and materials produced.

If you AFK do it with the furnace screen open. If you are working nearby check regular and keep topping it up, and make sure you have it open when it is about to finish.

8 coal smelts a stack of 64.

Also, don't light the furnace with materials inside. They will disappear as the fix is simply replacing the unlit furnace with lit furnace ID.

I've been operating on the assumption that it is possible to dig deep enough to get into a pool of lava and that, if I did so, this would be bad.  Has this happened to anyone?

Any lava I've found has been in underground caverns and doesn't tend to spread too far on the horizontal axes. I have yet to reach the bottom of the world, though.

I wanted to find lava, but I didn't. There's a lot of blue and a lot of death.

Yeah, watch out for the void of space.

I've found the bottom, black streaked rock (either obsidian or border blocks).  It's uneven and there are holes which you can fall through from place to place.

Is Balrog down there?

Okay.  I've been running around on the server a bit and there is some kick ass stuff there.  Can anyone tell me how you make steps?  All mine end up a full block or more in height.

There is like, a half block...block in the tool bar somewhere.

there is an actual stairs block but it's bugged in multiplayer, and hard to position correctly.  All recipes are at minepedia http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Crafting.

Essentially, placing 6 stones in your tool chest in a step like manner will make the stairs.  Many of us opt not to fight the buggy block for now and instead use half steps, which are 3 blocks placed in a row in the chest.  Takes twice as much distance to raise the same height, but it works.

Half-blocks are awesome. I also like to stack them into full blocks and use them as white blocks for some contrast. They also make for a great floor.

I have several times been thinking "I have delved too deep", but so far no Balrog.  I have struck water once or twice, but due to the rate at which the water simulation works, if you keep your wits about you, you can plug leaks before it goes bad.

The stairs aren't actually permanently bugged, it's just that the "auto-fit" (rotation) is done server-side and isn't propagated immediately to the client. If you relog or do enough changes in the chunk so that the entirety reloads they'll appear as they should.

I've put together a helpful diagram to assist in how to place them:

(http://filladan.diginfo.se/Lank/p1244nl2o73n684klp0nl9l0nkm0k41o)

:grin:

Indeed.

The DSL has been down since Saturday morning.  Ready to get back to wasting stone on my road.

I would really like to see some nighttime monsters like in the single player version to mix things up a bit.  It is nice to build stuff unmolested (except by the dragon), but it really needs something else. 

Also, is anyone else having trouble with doors on the server?  I can place them just fine but they won't let me through. 

right clicking them open and closed is apparently bugged.  Left clicking them instead should work fine.

Having people carefully building structures and monsters that explode all blocks in a wide area seems a cruel combination though.

Monsters are planned, though Notch has made mention that it won't be an easy task for him.

Update the server map :)

Yes yes! Sorry, I've been super busy lately. I have them all downloaded, I just need to run the Cartograph on it. Promise it'll be up by tonight.

It says the server is up but for some reason I can't connect.

It always says the server is up :awesome_for_real: (haven't gotten around to automating that part)

People are connected but I do see errors like this: "Took too long to log in" so there seems to be some network connectivity issues. The server doesn't seem to be particular overloaded or anything like that.

That's the error I'm getting. Actually, now MC won't even start. And minecraft.net doesn't seem to be working either. :( I was really excited about finishing my mountain fortress tonight.

*sigh* Is something up with the server? Whenever I try to connect it times out. Other servers work so it's not MC.net down again...

Should be ok. I was on just now.

Awesome server map updated! :) You can see my giant ankh from space lol

No more trip planning/stressing, so I have time to update it. Shouldn't be a problem every morning assuming Trippy has the backup uploaded by then.

Bought this today, still playing around in single-player mode. Though I should have waited a day or two more, and then tried to time it so I'd become Minecraft-buyer number 100 000 =P

(Stats (http://www.minecraft.net/stats.jsp) currently at 94 265 as I write this.)

For anyone who ever asked about donating for the server, it would be better if you just donated to f13 (top right of forums) as Schild is in need of donations (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=19757.0) to keep the site going.

So, uh, here's a Dwarf Fortress to Minecraft converter. This may be enough to kill anyone by slow starvation in front of the screen if it's awesome.

http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=27744

really tempted to buy this one but I already have so much stuff to play

I recently installed the RPG texture pack. It's like playing a whole new game. Help!

Link and/or screenshots please?

Doku RPG Textures

Link to Minecraft Forum Thread (http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=25676)

Screenshots:

(http://imgur.com/O4bZa.jpg)

(http://imgur.com/biIyd.jpg)
Note: The ore textures aren't like that anymore. If you scour the thread there are some people who edited those ones into the newest texture pack. Here's one: Link (http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=25676&start=780#p611455)

You can also get season based texture packs HERE (http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=33434).
Doku Item Textures

Link to Minecraft Thread (http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=33310)

Screenshots:

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/otomosc/screen1.png)

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/otomosc/SCREENcopy-1.png)

Thanks, looks good.  I am going to install this tonight when I get home and give it a go.  I started a new single player game last night, so this'll spice it up a bit.

Once you get building a settlement you'll see how much difference the textures make. Everything just fits.

Installed it and it is fantastic.

nice texture pack  :grin:

I've not been on due to the network problems with the atheros NICs

it was getting really bad, and I was hoping it would be fixed at some point, but there still seems to be no real solution outside of buying another NIC.

Its like someone took a link to the past and plastered it all over minecraft.

(http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/1010842689_DYj3P-L.jpg)

The f13 server is pretty amazing, I'm trying to find a clear spot to build something, but I'm stuck in a huge fucking dome.

Two men enter, one man leaves :awesome_for_real:

How does chat work with the latest client?  I can't seem to hit enter to say anything or issue /commands or whatnot...

I've always had to hit T in order to chat or do commands..

Have the furnaces and chests been fixed in the server yet or is a work around still being used?

I think chests work now, furnances work in theory but are broken again (in a different way than before I think).  I haven't tried chests though, so someone else should confirm this.

On the plus side inventory and position are saved.

Furnaces are supposed to be fixed with the patch coming out today.

Can i get a PM with server info please?

Ever since starting my winter world I've noticed I can't find any Spiders. Not a single one. Its been almost a week of cave crawling and venturing outside and nothing.

This game looks too dangerous for me to play with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnjSWPxJxNs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnjSWPxJxNs)

Edit: It's 'too' not 'to'. Damn alcohol.

Hahahah.  That's some funny shit right there.

This is why we can't have nice things.

"aw crap"

Anyone have the Doku RPG texture RAR? Forums are down until he gets a new box and I deleted the wrong RAR :(

That's what Google's cache (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:m2FQVTM43YoJ:www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D25%26t%3D25676+doku+rpg+texture&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a) is for.

The progression from setting the fire to getting water to smothering the flame to running away hahahahaha.  Love this game.

That's what made me laugh the most - Almost Real World reaction to a fire.

Just... awesome. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaMTedT6P0I&feature=player_embedded)

I love everything about this game.

This is why I don't build with wood. :oh_i_see:

But its so easy on the eyes!

So are sheep.

I tried this while it was free.

Damn you people.

It's free until they get the new server up and running, so keep playing until it won't let you play anymore.

Then buy it for 10 euro and keep playing.  I was totally happy to give Notch some cash for this.  It's super clever stuff -- networked legos really.

I got sold on it too while it was free, it indeed is lego meets survivorman and it's a blast.

I didn't have sound after the initial install, the resources directory which is supposed to house the sound files was empty for some reason, but with that fixed my fuckupperies became all the more enjoyable.

How does playing on the f13 server compare to playing single player? Does everybody get a different spawn point and how big is the world, do you run into players or their structures often? I'll probably join up when I purchase the game, for now, I'm content with building glass castles and getting horribly lost chasing sheep.

That was beautiful. 

There's only one spawn point that everyone shares.

The world expands as needed, it's effectively infinite in size (I think due to fp precision limitations it can't be more than 8x the surface area of the earth but you'll run out of memory first).

There's a *lot* of stuff built there.  It's pretty amazing.  One thing that I love about minecraft is due to its simple design, on modern hardware you get *insane* draw distance and see huge structures waaaay off in the distance.

Does anybody have an up-to-date map render of the f13 world?

I've been putting this off for a while for trying it.  Some of those videos make me want to play really badly.

I really don't want to, and Civ 5 is out tomorrow.

I'll post the one I rendered a couple days ago. There is now a giant eyesore on the map from someone using TNT.

Can you take screenshots of the stuff you build in the game? That might be a fun thing to post in the thread.

Print screen.

This may be a noob thing though, where do they go? Does it save them to a game directory somewhere?

Your clipboard?  :awesome_for_real:

(just in case)

And then paste them in windows paint and save the file.   :awesome_for_real:

Yes, yes, I'm retarded about this kind of thing. I'm not used to showing off stuff from games and whatnot.

I prefer Paint.NET but you know.

I found a cave with both lava and water and I don't know how to profit from this development.

EDIT: There's no use in trying to describe what sort of nonsense is going down on the F13 server.  General insanity in some quarters.

If you didn't know this (a lot don't), alt-prtsc will capture your current window.

I think it's fairly obvious by my previous posts that I did not.  :grin:

Thanks.

Can you give directions? I'm south of the Penis Tower, west of the Bat Signal.

Are the smelters acting strange? Mine only seem to work half the time.

I'm late to this party, but I'm going to give the mac client a whirl tonight since it's still free for the moment. It will take me a while to read through this thread but I'm very intrigued.

I found a pretty extensive cave system (plus a mob spawner with broken(?) zombies) near an unfinished castle, I put up some pillars+torches by all the openings I could find, there is still more to explore down in the bottom, I ran out of picks. The large sand pillar it the one right by the mob spawner.

Whoever owns the castle; feel free to tear those down and put something else prettier nearby if they are messing up your view!

That's my unfinished castle but you're a-ok.  The only thing I have that way is a tunnel through the continent at sea level and you're a ways off of that too.  At some point I need to finish my "iron" castle...

Cool, I have already moved on, and if anyone wants to explore the rest of the cave feel free, there seems to be a lot left.

Is there a way to list who is online?

After running around the f13 server, all I could think of was that I has stepped in to some twisted 3d Dot Heroes version of Inception. Well that and some of you have WAY to much time on your hands.

Someone made a tribute to Nix - That should tell you enough.  :grin:

 :awesome_for_real:

I started playing Minecraft days after seeing that movie I think.  Though, the server didn't have many big projects done yet at that point there was always stuff being added.

I hope he gets his server fixed soon, so I can give him money for this awesome creation. I shall finish Mount Dong.

/list

Cool, thanks.

Most of the stuff is crowded around the initial spawn point, which you can teleport to with /home.  I usually head west along the treelined bridge and head left at MINE.  I maed a road.

Looks like someone has chopped down some trees on the tree bridge, and I decree that person a bastard.  Further destruction of landmarks may cause me to call for a Culling.

I posted the server rules and stickied them. Everyone read or fear the servers mighty ban hammer.

So, this morning before work I decided to install and play this game.

I JUST MISSED AN ENTIRE DAY OF WORK.


Someone needs to post a goddamned warning with this fucking game.  DO NOT PLAY IF YOU HAVE ANY PLANS FOR THE NEXT 24 HOURS

Roblox + Wurm

Except I can start a fire with very little effort.

pix plz

Can anyone give a Minecraft for Dummies post real quick? After playing singleplayer, it seems like there would be a whole shitload of grunt work to build anything. Not to mention I couldnt find any coal, so I would just block myself in somewhere for nighttime so I didnt get killed. Also, I couldnt mine very far due to lack of light.

Is there an easier way to make stuff on the f13 server?

Multiplayer has no beasts that can kill you (yet).

Coal is ALL OVER the place, you should be able to find some without too much trouble.  In any event, in multiplayer there are no monsters (which i actually prefer over single player, but thats another discussion), so you can just build all you want with no worries.  Harvesting mass quantities of stone to build things is actually not very time consuming at all once you get an Iron or better pick.

Updated the server map.

Also, Peaceful makes it so there's no monsters in SP.

Aww, a hillside is blocking my construction. Oh well, time to move on anyway.

Hills are meant to be eradicated!

The hill that is in the way houses my condo, the only thing it's blocking is FT in torches... I'll just relocate them.

I made this in honor of football season.

(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/3002/footballw.jpg)

Hah! Pig skin.

I have spent entirely too long spelunking in this game. Also, lava? Evil. Got swept up in a water current and dropped into a pool of lava. Result? Dead cube-man, and loss of my first diamond pick.  :oh_i_see: Hours of cave exploring later, I am now trying to build my first house.

Stupid question, but how does one open/close an iron door? Or do they not? I figured they would be like wood doors just harder to knock down/have blown up.

Iron Doors need switches or pressure plates.

The updated map looks fantastic.

http://www.geekosystem.com/21-amazing-minecraft-creations/

Is anyone else having a problem with the game locking up and crashing about every 5 minutes?  I jumped into the server last night and was having a hell of a time.

http://www.minecraft.net/stats.jsp

Converting to dollars, he's taken in $175k in the last 24 hours.

Hmm, I guess that "free weekend" was just brilliant marketing thing.

It happens. Likely the cause of the server bogging down.

Has anyone gotten to taking the procedural goodness from Minecraft and fudging something together that'd convert the output into fully textured/rendered worlds... in semi-realtime?
I've just DLed it and ever since I did and pooped around a bit the more I got to feeling that the game is really just a glorified real-time 3D editor.  Many newer engines use real-time tech. (some with procedural stuff to speed things along) with dumbed-down graphics that you can literally "play" in before it actually chunks out the good stuff when you're done building.

Granted, part of the charm of the thing is having it all "blocky" I guess.

I think the thing about blocks that makes it a superior choice is there is a very sort of 1-1 relationship between your actions and what happens in the world.  You can pick up a block, you can place that block somewhere else.  Give it a more "realistic" feel, and you'd sort of feel like there was a layer of "magic" between you and the game world, barring some sort of miraculous game engine that renders particles and physics and lets you ACTUALLY shovel dirt and bust up rock, etc on that kind of scale, I think I would feel disconnected from the game a bit. 

I mean, there is a bit of actual game to the single player, in terms of exploring, fighting monsters, etc.  But with no monsters in multiplayer, it very much does have a shared sandbox/building space feel to it, but thats a good thing as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not saying to get rid of the blocks in the build and play process.  I'm saying get rid of the blocks in the 'ooh ahh, look at what I built' process.  e.g. Apply the 'realism mod' post-production and admire your work as it would be in a modern game world.

You're talking about, say, given a configuration of wood blocks and leaf blocks, have it convert to a speedtree with the same basic dimensions, and do analogous operations for all the other blocks and combinations?  Having it look better than the blocks in all cases (i.e. make sure that in all the ways you can combine all the different block types there aren't any configurations that produce weird artifacts when you try to join it all up) would be a lot of work.  I'm sure it's doable, but perhaps not by one guy.

ummm... anyone else not have SOUND?  I want to hear these zombies b4 they rape my face.

Hold F3 and hit S, that worked for me.

I put the sound files into the resource folder first.  THEN hit that.  Then it worked.  This last release borked the sound... fix tomorrow hopefully.

I seem to be crashing almost as soon as I enter the last day or so... Any items other than boats and minecarts causing crashes?

I also keep crashing out, but it seems very very random. The first day I kept locking up once every 5-30 minutes, yesterday I think it happened once. It's not a huge problem, except for the fact that minecraft won't actually allow me to pin it to the 7's taskbar, so I have to kill it and restart it the old way.

Speaking of, do we have any access to ice/snow?

Also, one thing I'm curious about. The rules state that we shouldn't place water, what exactly happens if we do that? The whole level fills up with water to the height where you added the water, unless you use sponges like a motherfucker?

No, water and lava flow to a certain point outward and stop.  As I understand it, the server has to keep track of every flowing block, which can bog it down.  Early in, there was a TNT used to create a crater where the ocean was pouring into a huge underground chamber.  Took hours to clear up.

Two of them. It caused issues and I believe that was around the time when we had our first crash where we had to roll back.

I'll wait a while with turning the facuet on in Mount Dong then, and finish up the surrounding areas first. :grin:

Where do you find the sound files? I downloaded the stand alone client from the main site, it downloaded stuff on the first run, and i have no sound, and no idea where to look for the sound files.

He updated the game to fix the sound. Try turning sound off and on again, if that doesn't work just re-download the exe from the site.


No, the map either starts as snow or doesn't have any at all. We did have ice around the starting area (a map generator bug), but its since been removed. Not sure if his plan to add Biomes will be implemented into Multiplayer, but even if he does do that, we'd probably have to start fresh to get that feature.

sounds (http://www.mediafire.com/?mqm2v3c8uw0p22k)
sounds and music (http://www.mediafire.com/?6vf86sass33eemv)

You'll find the resources folder, which contains the sound files, at %userprofile%/appdata/roaming/.minecraft/resources on vista and 7. You can copy/paste the previous line from the % onward in the "start search" area of your start menu to open the folder directly.

edit: as mentioned above, if it doesn't work after copying the needed files into the resources directory, hit f3 and the s key to enable sound (every time you enter the game).
There's also a bug in the current build that hangs the client while generating new worlds (Saving chunks) or entering existing ones (simulating world for a bit) when the client is active on the secondary display of many nvidia and ati cards.

I finally got around to buying this the other night. 

Rule 1.  Set an alarm before playing. 

My girlfriend hates me now thanks to you assholes.   :oh_i_see:
Common occurence: "oh shit, it's 2am!"
I just, I just... cant stop digging.

After surviving the 1st night cowering like a woosie, I proceeded to herd sheep into an enclosure so I could farm their wool.  Night came, I checked in the morning, and they were all gone.  What happened to em?  My favorite moment of my first night was "wtf am I supposed to do with all this shit?  oh yah, build a storage chest!"  I was all like   :heart:

Also, holy shit... he added farming over the summer?  Seriously, when he gets mobs into the MP version one would be hard-pressed to find a better indie game.  Actually, probably could say that now.

You'll see me on the server just as soon as I get comfortable with things.

For some reason I am fascinated by growing trees and grass in this game.

Yeah, I get amped when I cut one down and get four saplings from the leaves.  That's awesome.

When you go after the bigger ones, you can get up to 40 out of some of them.

I feel bad when I chop down trees.  I blame this:


(http://db.tt/b7Es8t8)

I wanna build a cactus farm and eventually cover the landscape with them 'cept for a few choice paths.  This is the only way to lay a 'trap' right?

Can't really trap a man who has a pick. :awesome_for_real:

But you can drop him into lava!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpvv3iM91ec

 we need to go deeper....

I went too far, and I am now, as a result, useless on that server. Is there no /kill command or something?

/home will take you back to the starting point.

What's the word on perhaps starting an MP server using the pre-alpha Survival release?  Is it too buggy to even play with?

Not seeing what you're getting at with this. We're running the server hes released.

Oh, I thought "survival" had to have mobs.  Why's it even called Survival if there is no.. uhhh, 'survival?'
Dang, I thought he might've released something new.

Monsters are over rated anyway

The monsters are overrated if there's no goal beyond just building shit. If I'm just building, I don't want to be bothered. I don't want zombie eating my face while I'm putting in the capstone on my monuments.

However, If the game wants me to build a fortress and a bridge to plug up the hole that's releasing the unimaginable horde of face-melting-exploding demons, then I'm gonna build the best fucking fortress/bridge/plug combo you've ever seen during daylight hours while packing a boomstick for nightfall.

You are a hero.

Our server can have mobs, we've just opted to keep them turned off because there's no server side health, which makes them GODS! We would be overrun by Creepers and the day health gets turned on.. sssssSSSSSS!

I began a SP map where I dug out my own hole into a mountain, and turned large parts of 2 sides of the mountain into a huge window.

There's now a huge spider with lots of glowing red eyes, sitting right outside my window, hissing and staring at me! :ye_gods:

You're on display. Your life ends in 2 days.

Well, do they burn at daylight?
If so, even with no health that sounds like a cool as phuck game right there.  Actually, sounds more cool with monsters that dont die. 

They burn with daylight, but still don't die.

Minecraft: The Movie, you heard it here first.

Now I'm tempted to make a trailer for that.

Anyone fooled with using mechanics and redstone circuitry in the game to do any 'programming?'

Do they still explode?  If there is no health, then jumping into a huge wad of creepers just to have one go off and throw the rest all over the place could b pretty amusing.

Not too sure about exploding. I'd assume they would.

No, I'm not terribly tempted because it smells too much like work.  Also I can't conjure up a decent use for it which motivates me to bother with it.


Or perhaps server-crippling.

I'll just leave this here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn2-d5a3r94

 :facepalm:

I think my mind broke just a little bit at the sheer amount of time it would have taken to put that together.

Makes me wonder: How difficult would it be to build an app that could scan a 3d wireframe (created in any standard 3d modeling / wireframe program) and export that to a loadable minecraft save?

It's entirely possible.

More likely, he scanned the blueprints, gridified them in photoshop, then transfered it,  by hand, deck by deck, inside an editor like NBTedit. Much faster than doing it in-game, but still an insane amount of work.

It's what the guy did for the other enterprise, and sort of what we did for the nimitz (we used blueprints that were somewhat gridified but built it all by hand in game)

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7102389/minecraft/carrierview.png)

Single-player survivor mode is pretty cool, but it needs a "zombie apocalypse" setting to keep things interesting once you're established. I've carved my own Ironforge into the guts of a mountain and built enough barricades and pits outside to repel Genghis Khan. Other than wood for pickaxe handles, I barely even need to go outside.

Yeah yeah those ships are pretty cool and all, but in just a few hours of play I've created tools made of stone and wood and dug some fairly deep holes!!! Give me a month and I bet I deliver stuff like iron tools and even deeper holes! Who knew I'd end up so creative in my older days...

Speaking of zombies, I've built what I thought was a completely tight room in a mountain. I added a lot of windows because I wanted to see what the weather was like outside, and to look at the monsters during the night time (and watch them burn during the day).

However, I was just killed by a spider (the very spider watching me all night and all day yesterday). I'm sure it's completely tight so they shouldn't be able to get in, but still, there it was. :oh_i_see:

I am told you can grow trees underground with proper torchlight.

Same applies to grass.

Was your tight room also fully lit? Monsters will spawn in the dark.

Oooh. I see. It wasn't *fully* lit, but it wasn't all that dark either. But I guess that explains that.

I've been thinking about making a place on a mountain top where they can't reach from the outside, but without a roof. A castle if you will. I assume that as long as it's fully lit, it'll be fine.

Will you...? :why_so_serious:

Call it Castle Aaaarrggghhhh.

Oh God, last night I said to my gf "Hey!  We should play Minecraft together!  It'll be like Mol and Dom in Inception!"   :facepalm:    (was the worst /rolleyes I've ever gotten)
Someone break into my mind and save me please...  

ohhh, and farming is fun!  

I've got my own massive cactus farm along with tree stand and wheatfield.  All neatly fenced in so those bastard farm animals dont eat my shit.  (something I realized last night when after waiting days for my harvest that never came I spotted a devil chicken next to a patch of grass - then the grass disappeared.  Then suddenly, my sword lept out of its scabbard and killed it.   :awesome_for_real:

I think it has to get a different name. Castle Baah. Spiders etc stayed away, but oh god the sheep.

I have underground trees and grass in a room under the road going through one of the mountains next to Bat Country.

This game is way too freaky geeky.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGkkyKZVzug (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGkkyKZVzug)

  :ye_gods:

Holy shit.

Yeah, anyone have a head exploding smiley?

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UKZle04oFnc/SFdGKUPYevI/AAAAAAAAAqw/FjFvQ5Jhf4Q/s400/dope%2Bexploding%2Bhead.jpg)

(http://www.wheaton.me.uk/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/ScannersExplodingHead.gif)

Oh.. hi guy!  The answer is 'yes' it seems.

(http://www.patentcopyrighttrademarkblog.com/Exploding%20head-thumb-250x267.jpg)

I have no fucking clue what that is, or why it's impressive. I at least got the Enterprise.

It's a 16-bit console built within minecraft.  Essentially, a computer within a game... built with virtual analogs for digital computing, using nothing but 'bitparts' and logic... no code whatsoever, cept 'machine code.'  (that's the next step, a compiler that'll accept some form of 'real' code to automate things a bit more)
You can do similar with LBP and such, but it's not as impressive.

And uhhh, I probably just borked that whole explanation but who cares.  /headsplode

I'm just going to nod and back away slowly then...

Yes you did but nice try.

Okay, 'it's ENIAC built within Minecraft.'  How's that?

I set up a series of 3x3x3 pits in front of my base, with a column protruding 2 blocks above the surface of each. Then I put a torch on each side of the column. They keep anything from spawning in the vicinity, and if anything wanders (or chases me) into the area, they blunder into a pit to await the sun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arithmetic_logic_unit

So the little cul-de-sac where I built my base is essentially monster-free 24/7 thanks to all the torch pylons I've set up. I did away with all the pits and walls as I haven't even seen a monster outside my window in forever. I have an underground farm going, and I've just been digging and digging. I broke into the largest natural cave I've seen thus far, took a while to torchlight it and clear it of exploding dickmonsters. I've been racking up coal and iron, though nothing more interesting yet.

Thinking about setting up a tree farm. So far I've just been planting any saplings I find in the cul-de-sac so I can run out and chop some wood even at night in reasonable safety. You don't get wheat seeds from harvesting wheat though, do you? So to be really self-sufficient I'd need a grass farm too?

I wish I could figure out what it is I don't get about Minecraft.  Every forum I read has people raving about the game but everytime I get myself to try it again I end up thinking "I just don't see where the fun is."  :heartbreak:

You're clearly just broken as a human being.  Sorry to be the one to tell you, but I suppose it had to come out sooner or later.

It basically boils down to this issue: Did you play with legos as a child? Did you follow the instructions or did you make random crap as big as possible?

Yeah, staying underground? Not so safe. One of my mines broke through into the fucking underverse or something. I took 128 torches with me to distribute in order to light the place and prevent monster spawns. I used them all up and have no idea what proportion of the place I covered. Probably not much, because there were multiple ways I still could have gone. Monsters all over hell. It's just like being outside only you can plummet into lava if you're not careful.

On the bright side, I got out alive with shitloads of resources, some of which I had never found before. And I discovered the value of carrying some gravel or sand around. Since they don't stick to anything, you can slide blocks of them down walls to block/smother enemies or form stairs to let you get down.

Did you play the Classic version? If so, you're doing it wrong.

If that's the free version you play right on the website, then yes.

Every time you chop wheat you have a chance for between 0 to 3 seeds, along with the wheat you harvest.
And y'know, as fun as farming is... I'd much rather farm pigs or sheep, but I guess they dont multiply.  The best one can do is fence in the spawn yes?  Will skeleton archers get them?

In other news:  I started gathering resources on the f13 server... so be mindful of random pits to nowhere  :why_so_serious:  Took WAY too long to find some simple coal.  I ended up having to mountainclimb to get to it, literally building stairways along the cliff.  Iron???   :awesome_for_real:   Does it even exist on the f13 server?   And yah yah, I know I should fan out and farm the nether-regions, but I really wanted to build something in a populated area, close to the spawn... and with no minecarts, /headache.   Mining? not smart in the built up areas, 'cause likely I'll run into someone's creation and/or cause some kind of flood.  Also, mining is less fruitful than raw surveys of cliffs where ore pokes out.
Soooo... I think I'll just build a road on my way to the western wood (errr, southern wood?), gather crap for a while... then come back.

And note:  I dont like the RPG texture pack.  Not thematically neutral enough.

Yeah, I harvested my wheat and ended up with twice as many seeds as I started with. I mostly eat pork, but the nice thing about wheat is that unlike pork it stacks. Meaning I can store multiple harvests, dozens of loaves of bread worth, in one slot. From what I've read, some people run around out in the wild with a workbench and a coule stacks of wheat so they can stop and bake bread in the field.

As far as resource gathering goes, I haven't touched mine cars yet. I mostly just dig big staircases into the ground, stopping to carve out any mineral veins I hit. More often than not I'll bust into a cavern when I get down low enough, and that's where the good stuff is. Next time I play I need to head back down to the underverse and do some more exploring.

ENIAC was not binary.

That would be it. We're all playing the Alpha version, which has a lot more features than the free version.

Minecarts and boats arent allowed on the f13 server right?
Also, do I still need the 'patch' that fixes the MP inventory bug?  I've logged off and kept checking and my inventory has remained intact.  Do server outages effect it? 

No longer needed.

Died twice poking around this seemingly infinite cave system looking for resources. I think I've had enough. I burrowed to the surface by jumping and spamming blocks beneath me, then digging above me, and repeating over and over. I placed a marker on the surface before burrowing back down. Once I can nail down the location of that marker relative to my base, I am going to start a giant fucking pit mine until I've exposed the whole fucking thing to the sun. I'm going to fucking move there and spam the whole area with torches so I can keep it up during the night. This is now my sole minecraft objective. CONQUEST OF THE UNDERVERSE.

Big projects are awesome. 

I spent a week or so building my castle, but your post about the underverse got me exploring today.  So, I've begun carving out Moria near my castle.  Tonight, I found some awesome stuffs.  Found my first bit of redstone but it's surrounded by about four zombie/creepers and two green slimes that are freaking huge.  This game is insane.

Yeah, anybody who plays survival mode but hasn't found a mega-cavern yet needs to keep digging. Exploring, building paths up walls or over hazards, redirecting water and lava flows, dropping things on enemies or luring them into said lava, carving ore out of the walls and hoping you survive and remember how to get back to the surface. It's a roguelike in 3d.

Until you get fed up and decide you'd rather just nuke the entire site from orbit. We'll see how it goes. I've just been stocking up on torches and ladders thus far.

I got tired of being locked up in my little tower up on the mountain, and decided to extend the torches to the entire mountaintop. First night seems to have been mostly a success, with just one splodey guy as a result. I ended up locking him up with some dirt, and I'm going to keep on making the mountain top a safe place for pigs, cows, sheep and chicken alike. They really seem to flock to whereever there's light during the night time.

:awesome_for_real:
In six months he's got now 270k paid downloads.... for a game he made alone in < a year based on a cheesy XNA mining game.

Also, dude's 1:1 Enterprise is now the #1 gaming video for the week on Youtube - it's at like 400k views now.  And he's gotten interviews from everyone from cnet, to kotaku, to escapist, and on and on.  And Minecraft articles are popping up everywhere.

Something is definitely happening here.   

I coulda sworn he just scanned in a model blueprint or something.  If he actually hand built that, that's friggin impressive.

Yes he did do that but only for the framework, he's looking for volunteers to actually build the decks.

I wish someone would outline the process to 'scan' in a blueprint and then turn it into a minecraft creation.  The fact he didnt really say HOW leads me to believe it's deceptively simple.  He's got everyone believing he built it from scratch, which is near impossible.

A quick search found this:
http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=645

Nice.  Thanks.

/endlife

That is correct.

Read the Ars Technica article (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/09/the-true-story-behind-the-amazing-minecraft-enterprise-d.ars), he didn't claim shit. He just posted it on Penny Arcade and they spread it like wildfire.

So I decide to try this last night to find my Paypal account is in "limited" mode for no good reason and I can't send money until I get it unlocked today hopefully.  So meh, no Minecraft yet since I can't get the payment screen to accept my CC, because its US I'm assuming.

My wife said she might be interested in this too, what's the best way for us both to play in the same world?  Should I just host on my machine and have her connect?  Should we both just play on F13?

Both playing on F13 is probably simplest, and you get the added fun of seeing what everyone else has made (which I think is a big part of the enjoyment). 

You don't need a Paypal account to use your CC:
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41161/Images/F13/paypal.JPG)

A friend just sent me this and I had to share:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnjSWPxJxNs&feature=player_embedded

I'm aware, but every time I try to use that option I get some error about "This card type is invalid." or something like that, seeing as it's just a standard Visa I'm assuming it won't allow it because of the different currency or something.

I had the same problem (with a Mastercard), when I bought Minecraft, I ended up linking my paypal account to my bank and doing it that way.  Not ideal, but oh well.

Odd. I had no issues using my mastecard to perform the purchase.

Jesus, that never gets old.

Dug deep into Moria today.  My system was actually hitching a bit down there and I realized that there were at least 12 mobs it was drawing.  Also, four skeletons in a single area is nigh madness.

If you've bucketed a lava spring and are thinking of putting it to some clever use, don't bother. It's either bugged to hell or running off some incredibly wonky physics. How far it spreads and whether or not it disappears when the spring is removed appears to be totally random.

In multiplayer (I dunno about single) if you place the spring on a finger of dirt/stone 2/3 blocks high (I usually place a pool around the bottom to catch it) the spring at the top will usually regenerate.  I've only had it disappear twice while obsidian farming (about 2000ish buckets worth) and I think that was a lag issue.

No I mean if you re-bucket the spring, you still have lava sitting there. Anyway, ramparts and pitfalls and doomsday lava weapons are mostly irrelevant. Just keep the exterior well lit and you'll basically never see a monster at your door.

So got my PayPal figured out last night, bought the game, logged onto the F13 server.  Looked around for a bit, was scared to touch anything and logged back out and played SP for a bit.   :uhrr:  You guys have been a busy bunch.  I can certainly see the appeal of this game now that I'm playing alpha and not classic.

Welcome to the jungle!

On the f13 server the rules are don't screw with other people's stuff (unless they've made a post otherwise, for instance, someone made a Labyrinth for people to explore, there is a thread on it in the subforum).   Other than that though, just find a bit of open space and have at it!

Don't be scared. Most of the stuff around the spawn has been left to rot anyhow. You can also take the giant stone bridge at spawn to Bat Town and start a house for a beginning point.

Well, got a good start on making my mark in the F13 world.  Nothing huge yet, but I do believe I am very addicted for now.

Heh, who lit up Mount Dong?

And I just stumbled onto this: http://www.objectiveministries.org/zounds/review-minecraft.html

Who thought we'd be doing the work of the lord!

"have u heard the good news about Jesus yet?"

lol comedy gold.

I'll give them credit, that's pretty tongue-in-cheek funny.

Wasted set up lots in town, just smash the number on the lot and build! Maybe we should post a map for people to get to town.

Speaking of doing the work of the lord ...

Bravo sir, bravo.

I finally bought this and have spent the last hour or two tunneling into the side of a hill in search of shiny rocks.  God help me.

I got exploded by a creeper and couldn't remember which direction from spawn all my shit was.  FFUUUU...  I built a tower as a landmark and everything, but I guess I'd wandered farther than I thought before I started building.

http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=13134 Might help you find your way.

LOL it looks like Lexx.

Woohoo!  It took me a while, but I figured out where the fuck I was.  I'm using sand to mark my spot this time so it'll be more obvious from the aerial view.  Thanks!

That's basically what I did, found a great spot and started puttering and then was reset back to the spawn point.  Second time, I made a trail.  It is now a paved road. :oh_i_see:

So does anyone recommend any texture packs?  Is the one in the OP good?  (I'm assuming yes, why would NiX post it otherwise? :P)

I don't have any terrible problem with the current textures..but something different can be fun.

*edit* Hmm...got a Can't connect to Minecraft servers error 3-4 times before it let me log in.

My favorite one so far is the Doku that NiX posted.

Ooo, that sounds like a fun project.  Maybe I'll wait until I can craft a compass so I don't need to futz with the map to figure out which way the spawn point is.

I knew going in that this game was likely to eat me alive, but now that I've seen the crafting aspect it's even worse.

I suggest the RPG texture pack (I'm currently using it), though simply textures are nice as well if you want that 3d Dot heroes sort of look.

http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?t=25676

I did a good bit of wandering so re-find my site, noting the direction of my movement and notable landmarks, after which I started erecting dirt obelisks on the trail.  I made the executive decision to tunnel through two hills rather than attempt to climb over, and another small one I cut a canyon instead of a tunnel.  Only a couple weeks ago did I go back and modernize the tunnels, making them 5 wide and 4 high, and cleaning up a sidepath I made through a natural cavern.  I used halfstones for all steps on the road so there's no need to hop.  I put torches on many of the dirt obelisks once nighttime came to the F13 server.  I have replaced a few of the dirt obelisks with halfstone blocks.

Next I plan on completing my tower, then I'll slowly replace all of the stone with obsidian, in case someone tries to blow it up.

*edit* Ha, nevermind.

I'm already on that. :drill:

The road from my lair to the spawn point has begun.  Stage one was tunneling through the mountain; I finally realized that part of why I had trouble finding my lair was that I'd built it on the opposite side of a giant hill from the spawn.  I had to roof the last bit with cobblestone to keep it monster-safe, but this displeases me because it's ugly.  Time to go get some sand and make glass...

My current base resembles an upside down T partially protruding from a mountain. I've got separate rooms for growing wheat, reeds, and cacti so far. I need to build another extension on top for a tree farm, and then I'll never need to go outside again. After that it's some stone stairs down from the mountainside, maybe some lava flows running down the sides. I've even got a back door that leads down into my primary mine.

I started digging in some random spot and it soon opened up into an endless maze of caverns that I constantly get lost in. I haven't come to an end that doesn't at least have one offshoot to continue down. I'm apparently fascinated by this simple fact because I just keep digging and exploring and collecting all the non-random ore type stuff I stumble on along the way. I figure I'm at least building a stock pile of the stuff so I'll be ready if a horse ever kicks me in the head and some creativity gets jarred loose.

Also, I 'think' some ore may have disappeared from inventory while logged out, is that common? Is it a better practice to stockpile stuff in chests?

Is there a button to identify the ore with text? I have a hard time differentiating between them.

Don't thinks there's a button to identify. I just use the pics and charts found here in the Wiki (http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Blocks). With that link it won't take long before you identify them by sight.
Here's the chart by itself

It's late and I'm tired so I'm sure someone can think of some better material for some parts...but -


it works.  :awesome_for_real:

I put a lava moat around the front of WUA Ironforge. WUAforge. Not only does the light prevent monster spawns the way a series of torches would, it incinerates any fuckers who wander up. Animals are always falling into it, I just run out and pick up the ham.

Can't get my tree farm going. Think they need a lot more room than the wiki says.

That is... awesome for real  :awesome_for_real:

How much are you giving them around and vertically? I believe on the f13 server it was determined 5 in every direction and up to 20 in height.

 
Give your trees five spaces from other trees and make sure you have water within 15 spaces, and at least twenty spaces tall to grow. If your trees are underground go crazy with the torches. Puting water close to anything you grow really accelerates the process.

I've had 4 trees happily grow within a 2x2 square.

I haven't played too much with trees, but I did discover one tree planted on a single floating dirt brick will grow.

I really wish I could find two people on the internet who agree on what trees need to grow in this game.

Minecraft forums told me a 5x5x7 (7 = height) will allow a tree optimum space to grow.  This is the space I use for underground stuff and it works well.

My intended tree farm isn't large enough to grow a worthwhile number of trees if they take that sort of space. I'll have to turn it into something else and carve a new one beneath the mountain. Or into it, though I might poke out the other side. Hmm.

Just build an incredibly big biodome like Bzalthek and you space problems will be no more!

I grew an entire tree bridge on one dirt brick every 3 spaces, surrounded by cobblestones.

Fuck it, I'm hollowing out the mountain and making my base the lobby to a giant tree farm. It should only require the removal of about 6000 blocks. I have some diamond for good pickaxes, may as well use it.

Is there any trick to finding iron and diamond besides digging really deep?  I've tunneled all the way down to bedrock and started excavating horizontally from there, and I've only found enough diamond so far to make one pickaxe, which is mostly worn out so I've switched back to iron, which I'm also low on.

I ran out of ladder while way down last night.  So I started digging spirally down.  Ended up tapping tons of iron and found a few caverns to explore.

Then turned a corner, got hit by an arrow and punched in the face by a zombie and died.

Minecraft with no sound is dangerous.

I've been digging long stairways so I don't need to use wood on ladders; I started in the side of a mountain and then dug a straight 1:2 staircase (finished with half steps) all the way to bedrock and void.  Now I'm carving branches out of it at different points and excavating a big room at the bottom.  Lots of redstone down there and a little gold, but not much else.

I've fond that once you hit your first piece of bedrock, Stop. People tend to dig around bedrock and I've always found Diamond to be 2-4 blocks above the first layer of bedrock. I just tunneled down like you did, 1:2 staircase and at the bottom tunneled in 3 different directions with a couple small tunnels off of those. Typically I tunnel far enough that when I turn around I see the fog and then I start my branching tunnels.

Doing this I've found 16 diamond.

My big room is just above bedrock and is 4 blocks high, so it sounds like I'm in the right zone.

Are there any rules for where iron spawns?  As far as I can tell it's entirely random, as is coal (which I do have in abundance, thankfully).

I made my reverse mine because I was interested in seeing the spread of ore in a given area.  Iron is all over the fucking place, though it's density is definitely thicker the deeper you are.  Diamond appeared anywhere from 2-4 like nix said up to about 20ish from bottom.  I only found about 20-30 diamond in an area about 40x60 or so (I never bothered to measure it)

So I just started playing on the F13 server.  My single play experience prior to this was 5 minutes of getting lost.  Now that I'm playing on this server my life is over.  I can't stop.

Questions though.  I was digging and I ran into zombies.  I thought there were no monsters on this server?  I couldn't kill them either.  Come to speak of it, I can't kill the regular animals.  That being said, aren't spiders the only place to get string? How do you get string if you can't kill spiders?

Here's a depth chart that should help.

(http://www.filedump.net/dumped/bgv4b1286222476.png)

Halloween Update coming!

http://minecraft.net/boo/

Fishing! Torches run out now (have to make lanterns)! Portal to some weird hell dimension! Challenging monsters! Bullet points!

So...this looks fucking awesome.

Oh dear lord, fishing. I may be totally screwed now.

I am currently working on putting a grass cap over a giant tnt crater somebody made a while back. Only 3000ish more dirt blocks to go.

I guess I didn't want that real life anyways.........

The upcoming torch nerf makes me uneasy.  I like my giant monster-proof cave.  Hopefully lanterns are significantly brighter and/or aren't retardedly expensive to make.

Thanks for the chart, bhodi.  I'm going to make some signs and place them in my main stairway to mark depths.   :drill:

This.   :ye_gods:

Monster spawners are still around and they do spawn stuff, I've found zombies and skeletons and was able to kill both though.  You can find mossy cobblestone around them which is nice and I pulled an item from a chest that I still have no idea what it is.

I want to find another monster spawner and dig to the surface above it and see if monsters still spawn and then burn in sunlight..or if they just don't spawn.

*edit* found the answer already, it won't spawn in light.  Although I guess it would spawn all night and then everything would get torched in the morning and you could pick up all the drops.

Surround the spawner with a moat of water (at ground level, the monsters will not spawn in water, but they will spawn above it and fall in).

At bottom of moat add a 1 square access around the edge for drops to leak out.

Edit for Demonstration Video (not me) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ONdFPdskTk)

I haven't been able to kill ANYTHING.  No chickens, pigs, nothing.  I am whackin' it with an iron sword.  Am I doing something wrong?

Oh, and I can't get a ladder to construct?  I put sticks in the H pattern..

Oh god, I need to replace all those torches in the dome?  Fuck me!

Supposedly existing torches will turn into lanterns.  What I'm worried about is having future expansion of my mines slowed down (or halted) by having to make as many lanterns as I now have to make torches.  If they require any amount of iron I'm going to be fucked.

I am concerned about it as well.  I'm not sure I understand the point of the change, as the current torch system feels really good.  Not to mention the fact that the game has a fairly decent balance of exploring and crafting right now, if I have to spend an inordinate amount of time collecting lantern materials to get to the "good parts" i.e. exploring caves...well, thats not a good thing.  Minecraft has been great precisely because its avoided these kinds of game mecahnics.

Wurm 2.0

If lanterns require even one bar of iron for 4 it's a bad change imo.

I seem to crash about a minute in (or less) every time I join the server. It's strange; I don't have any problems in single player mode, I can play for hours.  Freshly installed client, no mods.


Any suggestions?

I'll not help and say that my largest trees are on hillsides.  Makes no sense.



(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/85916/shiftyeyed.gif)

I get the exact same error message only I have a GeForce 8600.  It's ONLY near the spawn though and you don't have to be that far away for it to stop crashing.  I don't understand it but I'm just a little west of the spawn and I play for hours with no problems.

Oh, and about my ladder problem, nevermind.  I am an idiot.

I think the big question would be "how long do torches last?"  If it's long enough to do some decent exploration (say hours of real-time) and they're still pretty cheap to make, that might not be the end of the world.

The problem is that you lose the ability to make your own buildings safe from monster spawns if it's no longer feasible to keep them permanently lit.

I don't think you can kill stuff yet on multiplayer servers unless it's with lava.



I can't remember where I read this but Notch has said he wants Minecraft to be more of a game instead of just legos, i.e., a way to "win."  Changes like finite torches seem to move things along that direction.  I think I speak for the minority on the f13 server when I say I really like these changes away from free form building, and toward struggle and threats of death.

Eventually I'm sure the game will be finished with different Minecraft flavors for everyone.

Move away from the spawn zone. It gets pretty unstable for me near the spawn with the same crash, presumably because of some of the crazy megastructures nearby. Once you get a minute or so away it seems to clear itself up.

Yeah, I recall reading something similar, I just don't think its the greatest idea.  Minecraft works for me precisely because it isn't like that, and clearly a LOT of people are buying this game in its alpha state because they like how it is.  Ideally, he'll leave in some kind of options for keeping a less gamey version (but not just the pure, heres all th eblocks you wan for free version either).  I enjoy exploring to find stuff, but I don't really care all that much to fight things while I'm doing it, or farm fish oil and iron to make laterns for 2 hours before I can go explore.  Hell..I don't even care about winning, I've been waiting for a game that lets me explore like this for years.

I've noticed that as well, and I think it began yesterday or the day before that. I hope me adding the faucet to mount dong didn't cause it (I don't think so), but it really is annoying. It happens the most for me when I go east, over the bridge. Going west seems to work fine.

As everyone has pointed out, this has something to do with being around large changes in chunks. Best bet is to turn your fog so it's as close as possible and head off in a direction that's away from spawn, as suggested. If the error still happens, look at the ground and walk in the direction.


Peaceful mode.

Indeed.  Currently my mine would be difficult to escape if the torches went out.  Also I don't have much iron despite my excavations so far.  Also I have only found three diamonds which I immediately transformed into a pick. :oh_i_see:

On the other hand I would not object to playing on a more gamey server, just that I would also like to play the current peaceful alpha.  Entirely different games, really.

Yeah, that currently works well.  My concern isn't really so much about the game as is, but what changes like this lantern/torch thing are indicative of going forward. 

I wouldn't mind too terribly if the world got a little more dangerous. It would possibly make it so the people playing on a server would have to make a more collaborative effort to make sure the place you are at is safe.

Although I think I'd like a way for each player to set a new spawnpoint if they do set up shop far away from the original spawn point. Travelling is only so much fun.

Thanks everyone, the above tips have definitely helped, I managed to make it away from the spawn area ... I fell into some nicely excavated underground area though ... I guess I need to check the Cartographer map and find a nice untouched area to begin my work ...

Looks like they're adding some sort of shadow walk thingy w/ the Oct31 update.  "A brand new hell world for travel. Portal in, move ten meters, portal out and you're hundreds of feet away!".

How did you end up in here anyways, Slay point you this direction? :)  depending what you are looking for if you go across the big bridge and find Bat town you can find lots of good space a little beyond.  I explored a little beyond dong mountain and it was all open space, found a really big cave system I got lost in for a bit.  I think I markered where I came out with a high pillar with a torch on it......damnit, a torch that is likely to go out in upcoming patches.

Torches HAVE to run out because that currently is the only real reason to "farm" flint/steel.  Logic dictates that he wouldnt have coded in flint/steel (and the masses of flint ore) w/o a reason to need it, i.e. shit to relight.  Personally, I think it's a smart move...  it adds multiple game AND farming mechanics that will yield fun and tension.  Also, think of the lighting mechanisms people will come up with along with perhaps some more reasons to use redstone.

Also, there's been a bit of back and forth a few places about Minecraft vs. Love.  Obviously Minecraft is a vastly superior project, but it's also been said that MC could use some of Love's hardcore coop survival.  I've played Love and recognize what Eskil was trying to do; but put some of that into Minecraft and you've got the year's best game imo.

Honestly though, the torch thing is the least mindshaking element of the update.  Biomes, portals, and hell are way more  :heart:  'Specially biomes... I havent even fully wrapped my noggin around that potential sandbox yet.  Gawd, I need to quit my job.

None of these updates will make it into SMP eh?

Strangely enough I had just started playing on my own when Slay pointed me at this thread.

I've been playing quite of bit of Dwarf Fortress lately too, especially as it's starting to steady back down after the latest major update.

And I've found my work zone, the large area of sand south of the spawn point ... "And so castles made of sand ... melt into the sea ... eventually ..."

So..you it needs to be a mechanic because...a mechanic was made for it?  Like I said, I don't get my fun in minecraft out of farming of game mechanics, I get it from building stuff and exploring randomly.  Insofar as I can still do those two things without having to jump through hoops or waste lots of time on other stuff, I'm good.

If you ever get lost, type /home and you will return to spawn.

SMP was prematurely released because of someone leaking it. The plan is for the Single Player Survival to be reflected in the MP, but that wasn't supposed to happen for a bit longer. Now there's some crazy expectation for Notch to update SMP to be exactly like SP.

There will be fixes to SMP and features, but he hasn't given an exact list. My assumption is that he'll get in what he can but his focus is on SP to get all the people bitching about updates to shut up.

So... now you can build stuff to light stuff and explore for more flint, steel, and components to build lanterns.   :grin:


 :mob:

Although I'm on another server, I'm pretty proud of my latest project:

Pharos Lighthouse

(http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/7398/minecraftlighthouse.th.jpg) (http://img839.imageshack.us/i/minecraftlighthouse.jpg/)


The Treasury at Petra
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/56/minecraft12.th.png) (http://img201.imageshack.us/i/minecraft12.png/)


The Parthenon

(http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/8104/minecraft17.th.png) (http://img697.imageshack.us/i/minecraft17.png/)

It will depend on what goes into lanterns.  Having torches use coal and wood, which are both very plentiful resources, and craftable without a bench, works pretty well as is; you can get a big stack of logs and be set for a long time in the mines. If lanterns need glass, for example, you'll need to venture pretty far from your mine to get the sand needed for them, and then wait to smelt the sand to glass, making it more of a chore to keep your mine lit.   If lanterns require resources that are more difficult to get (like iron), the size of the mine needed to get the iron for lanterns might exceed the amount that you can light with those lanterns, meaning that you'll need to light the mine with torches and run around constantly to keep them all lit if you don't want monsters spawning behind you and killing you as you dig.  Again, it's just adding another chore.

I'm hoping that it turns out lanterns are about as easy to craft as torches are, and torches just get even easier.

This.  I settled just outside of Bat Town, if that's what it's called.  I'm just a bit west of the  :awesome_for_real: face.  Lots of nice open land.  And now I know what that giant pillar is from.   :grin:

EDIT:  I hate that I have started playing this game.  I've been playing it so much I've almost been neglecting the other aspects of life. :(

EDIT AGAIN:  Is the F13 server eventually going to be just like single player survival only multiplayer?

That's the plan, but nobody knows when Notch will get it up to par with Single Player.

I'd like him to fix minecarts and boats before fucking with monsters, honestly.  And mybe implement teleporters like some mods have.  Exponential growth needs exponential travel options.  (Hell level is a neat twist)

What's the current list of caveats on the multiplayer server?  I've been fucking around in Alpha to get a handle on the game before joining the f13 server -- what knowledge won't carry over?

Hmm...  No monsters is the big one.  Minecarts make the server extremely pissy, so don't build them...boats the same, but not as bad I think.

Was there something about inventories and furnaces and chests not working?  Or is that fixed now?  What about water/lava flow?

Rules:
http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=19861.0

Doesn't not placing water and lava sources prohibit the obsidian farming stuff that I've seen screenshots of (which I thought were taken on the f13 server)?  I feel like there's some nuance there I'm missing.

Maybe I'll just wait until the performance issues are all fixed and I don't have to worry about accidentally asploding the machine.  :-P

You don't want to make too much flowing water/lava from what I gather, so no big intricate fountains.  If you want to make lakes or whatever with water there are tricks to making the water 'still'.  It doesn't seem as high a priority in server stability though as other things like minecarts/boats as I do see plenty of fountains around.

Obsidian farming is fine as the water becomes still once you're done creating the obsidian. And obviously the lava becomes obsidian.

Big props to Logain (comp86 on the server) for giving me a set of diamond tools and taking Roentgen and I on a wild tour of some of his projects. Very impressive!

Can we get a Cartographer map update? I'd like to see some of my work from space. :) Thanks.

Catching up on Maps right now. Just waiting for the most recent one to process. Won't be able to update the forum one until I get home and have access to Photoshop.

Wait, running water causes server problems?  Guess I'll disable the waterfalls I made.  Sorry.

Err, as I understood you weren't to place water or lave sources to grief, not that you weren't ever to place them?  Did I read something wrong?

I may have placed a few lava flows...

I'll clean up the server rules and add in performance rules too. The issue we had was that some people were creating massive amounts of change in water flow (Read: Blowing huge fucking holes in the sea) to which we made a rule not to do that. I'll go into detail with the updated post.

Hence the reason why I scrapped my 1:1 scale model of Seaquest:DSV (I'd have to flood an area half the size of the 1:1 enterprise pit).  Now I think I'll just make a skyway across the entire map.  Fuck terrestrial roads.

Thanks!

Updated the map.

Thanks much!

Hmm...so if I just pick a direction and keeping going and going and going will the map next time have one really long tendril that throws off the image being somewhat even?  :awesome_for_real:

Server rules updated.

 :awesome_for_real:

I'd really, really been resisting this as I have had no spare time at all. But there's a break in my work schedule, so I finally set it up to play Alpha yesterday.

Fast forward to 2am. I finally quit after making my first diamond tools, clearing a big area near bedrock, and building a minifortress above ground. Already mulling over anti-creeper defenses and thinking ahead to bigger projects. My daughter's been watching this morning (home from school with a stomach bug) and she was chomping at the bit to take over by the time I left for work.

One thing that occurs to me right away: the MMOG devs who've said with near-religious fervor that nobody wants sandboxes, sandboxes can't work anyway, etc.? Seriously, consider another line of work.

I, for one, and glad this is not an MMO.   There is no reason to make 1000 people servers, small multiplayer environments are frankly superior for this kind of game.  My point being, MMOGs just don't bring that much to the table anymore.  Oh boy, lots of people logged in at once, but due to hardware limitations you can only play with a few at a time anyway.  Skip the middle man and just give me a solid mul;tiplayer game.

I think MineCraft could use something like MMO-style auction houses, on which X private servers are aggregated. The physical worlds would still be seperated, but the commerce would benefit a lot from having more actors. There's not a great need right now, but still.

Big truth. I too am hopelessly sucked in to this game. I'm spending every free minute on the f13 server (and some minutes I should probably be spending on other things!) mining, exploring, building, wandering around in awe of other's creations. Tonight when I get home from work I'm going to play some more single player survival (as I like that aspect a lot too, will be interesting to see the MP Survival a little more fleshed out) ... hopefully I remember to eat.

I want to turn my daughter on to it as well but I don't know if I want to do it during the school year. She lives with her mom most of the year in Georgia, I keep having visions of VNCing to her PC and finding her crafting signs and tools far, far past her bedtime.  :grin:

Best $13 USD I've spent in a long, long time.

Ok, that's officially creepy.

Really? To me that's a dream that took a very rational approach to how he would see her playing the game. Creepy would be him having a dream travelling 1000 miles and staring through a 3rd floor window to find out.

Creepy? It's my daughter. She's 800 miles away. I need to be able to work on her PC, be able to take control and demonstrate things to her ... and, as she's 10 years old, a child ... use it to keep various tabs on her... It's password protected, it's not like anyone scanning ports can just waltz right in.

VNC and a webcam are two invaluable tools if you don't live near your child.

or any child, amirite?!

Damn you restraining order!

j/k

(http://forums.f13.net/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=5243;type=avatar)

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/85916/smith.bmp)

Ah, I love this place. I need to post more often instead of just lurking ...   :why_so_serious:

EDIT: It's taking up valuable Minecraft time though ... :)

Do not ever open the Politics forum or you will lose faith in humanity right before your brain shrivels.

Also, I'll be sure to remove that big waterfall I placed for no reason other then to experiement when I get home.  :ye_gods:

This is wisdom right here.

I haven't had a "Whoa" moment in a video game in ages.

Walking through the F13 server had me actually marvelling at the wonders.

Who's biodome?  Insanity.

Bzalthek.  Say his name 3 times and the server explodes.

There's plenty of examples that smaller multiplayer situations can allow for emergent gameplay.

However, you open it up to 'massive' numbers of players and you send in the clowns.

I've only been playing this game for 4 days, yet I'm already literally dreaming of caves and cubes. I don't think any game has kept me so busy while having so few goals.

So when you guys are building something that's up high, what's your strategy? Right now I build scaffolding, but it's kind of time consuming. Sometimes I can nudge just right to add blocks to a structure from the up-high block I'm presently on, but it often takes going right to the edge of a block to do it and sometimes I fall off.

What's the weird ominous quasi-musical noise you sometimes hear when underground? I've got the spider noises, zombie noises, and skeleton noises solidly identified, but every once in a while there's this little creepy quasi-music that makes me think something dreadful is about to happens, but then nothing does happen.

The section on Minepedia about redstone wiring is both exciting and confusing. I certainly have enough of the stuff to want to do something with it.

What exactly controls monster spawning and behavior in Alpha, in the outdoors? They seem to go towards structures/lights whether or not you're in them--I can see from my high tower that at night there are quite a few of them hanging around another place I built and put torches in. Do they respawn in caves once you've cleared them out (besides slimes, that is)?

I should clarify. There is no way this should be a massively multiplayer game. In fact, I'm becoming increasingly convinced that any 'virtual world' game should me "small multiplayer": they flourish with 50 or 100 people with some common interests or inclinations, die with thousands of massively divergent strangers.

But a lot of MMO devs haven't concentrated on the numbers of players, instead have argued that the thing that breaks MMOs is any hint of sandbox-iness, that players don't want to have to fiddle with design or make content or anything like that, and what we need is casual games that run on rails. I think something like Minecraft suggests to me that a lot of devs say that as a cover story because the truth is, most of them don't know how to make a sandbox, are afraid of player-driven content creation, etc.: the problem is with them, not with a lack of desire on the part of players.

Or maybe all their lawyers are? Giant dongs, eye-watering profanity, reproductions of Mickey Mouse and Mario: those are the things that keep their marketing and legal overlords awake at night.

Nudging along or scaffolding works for me.  Eventually an option will be added to duck/crawl which will prevent you from falling off an edge.

It's already in. It's on shift I think.

Hold shift, it was put in last month.

Hold....shift....a month ago.....all the falling....the rage....ye gods

1. One is a dragon noise, which isn't apparent. The other is just a noise that plays randomly to keep you on your toes. I've suspected that it may mean you're close to a spawner, but I haven't been able to confirm that one.

2. I've never found them to be attracted to light. They typically just walk around randomly, but can seem like they're sticking to a specific area if there's a "room" nearby they can't enter. I think it's more of a pathing issue where they just keep trying to enter your house, but can't. Also, they respawn as long as there's darkness, which is why torches are key and the upcoming Halloween patch scares the shit out of everyone.

Ah, yes, I was seeing that. Here's hoping lanterns will be cheap to make, yeah--one thing I don't like is the thought of having to hassle constantly with monsters in built or cleared areas. I like the challenge of dealing with making good monsterproof structures and I like the fear of carelessly breaking into cave systems/water/lava and having to think fast. But getting jumped all the time while mining or building could get old.

Though actually, at this point, I suspect my deaths have a statistical breakdown about like this:

1) Falling repeatedly while building or down a really really deep shaft that I forgot to make good stairs for.
2) Forgetting to be careful about not pickaxing the block above my head and getting crushed by a huge column of gravel that was above the cobblestone.
3) Miscalculating the height of a lava flow where I'm trying to dig up to where the spring is.

Distant fourth:

4) Monsters (mostly getting hit by arrows out of dark places where it takes me too long to realize that I'm getting hit by arrows)

Best death:

Opening a channel to a lava flow and a water flow at about the same time and having my pickaxe expire on me as I did so, and then forgetting I'd sealed the passage behind already because there had been a slime wandering around and I didn't want to get jumped by it.

I really don't get the point of having unlit torches.  Either they are wayyyy cheaper than lanterns, in which case you have to keep farming flint and steel just to do normal activities and protect yourself, or lanterns are cheap/easy and there's no point in ever using torches.  Either way, you would have to wait until a torch goes out before relighting it, which means you are still vulnerable to a spawn in that time (and if cave diving, you risk having your whole exit blocked off by spawned mobs).

blah.  Just seems like an all around bad game design.

It falls in line with Notch's idea for Minecraft, which is a challenging adventure experience. There's no challenge if your only worry is in front of you. Every experience I've had where I pulled a total "Oh shit" and jumped out of my chair was from missing an area with a torch and having something come up behind me.

I play on Peaceful 80% of the time, so it doesn't bother me at all.

I dunno, I like the feeling of "claiming" the caves I discover by exploring them, killing any monsters that might be there, and then planting torches everywhere and knowing that they won't be coming back.  Fencing the monsters out is more fun for me than killing them.  I guess I could play on peaceful mode and just pretend there were zombies wandering around outside the house, but I think it'd lose something.

I would like the torches idea if I could connect them to a network of redstone wires that would fire up a series of torches along my mine wall. That would be bad ass. LIGHT EM UP BOYS!  :grin:

My main problem is more or less that I think the game is really really brilliant right now, and frankly I feel like the more fiddling he does, the worse it will turn out in the end.  I mean, the basic mechanic is compelling, so it can't go all bad, but like I've said before, the more (mandatory) "game" they add, the less I'll likely play.  I have lots of games I love playing already, I like Minecraft because it isn't those.

EDIT to make my point explicitly:  The Torch/Lantern thing does absolutely nothing good for the game from this perspective.

I think it largely depends on the length of time a torch burns.  If it's a day or two, I don't think it'll effect much in the grand scheme of things.  I kinda want lanterns to have a larger light radius though.

Lanterns having a larger light radius would be a good way to make up for them being more expensive.

Heh, it just occurred to me that lava sheds light... it might end up being easier to light everything with lava canals.   :drill:

The glory of Minecraft is that you can simply play the old version by not logging in. It's not necessary to anything you do in the Singleplayer.

Thats neat, I didn'tknow that actually.  Thanks.  Still, I'll update cause I just have to se for myself! (backup the old version of course!)

Once again, map updated!

Two days in a row. I'm competent or something.

Anyone know if there is a mod or way to turn off the day night cycle?   I miss the time of eternal days on the f13 server, and while I don't think most people want to go back the way i do, I'd sure be nice to get a single player game going with it on.

Gravel and/or Sand pillars.  Jump and place a block and you can climb to great heights.  If you fall off, you can knock it down to collect your pillar materials.  That's also what I use for markers, since I can reach the cloud layer in less than 30 seconds.

There's a server mod that lets you do this, but someone has to repeatedly reset the day cycle to keep the sunlight.

Yes.  My thoughts.

I'm pretty sure that's the point that a cave becomes a lair.

Now I just need a way to get chickens down to my lair to feed the monsters with.

Lit grass seems to spawn them just fine in my SP lair.

Dungeon Keeper ...  :heart:

I totally need to make a Dark Mistress avatar skin now.

This. I did this by tiling my path down into my mine/cave with dirt and lit it up. After a day or two I had a huge chunk of my cave covered in grass and subsequently animals.

Lit grass anywhere, over or underground seems to attract animals. I cannot keep pigs and sheep off my football field, no matter how many I eat.

Clearing a huge complicated cave system is definitely compelling gameplay. When you break into an area with darkness on either side of you, and lots of open ledges to areas up above on both sides, clearing takes lots of puzzle-solving--planting blocks for cover is more important than weapons.  I dunno why Notch thinks the monsters aren't already dangerous/challenging, at least in this setting.

I need to think about a big building project next.

When is this going to get together with DF, have a nice cuddle and a bottle of wine and finally produce the Baby that I want ?

Someone already made that DF map -> minecraft map converter.

Hopefully not for a few years, I'd like to actually pass my classes and not lose my current job for the time being.

Truth.

I've had evil thoughts of making some kind of 'Starflight' mod for this game.  Anyone else get that vibe?
Replace the horror-esque mobs with roaming reptilians and multi-teeted slime cows, throw in some endurium, random ruins, and maybe mod in an ATV that requires fuel.  And and and... ok lemme stop.

He's just trying to make it in a Social Media world. (http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Creeper/134557683259987)

From the facebook

I was debating weather or not to share this with you guys but... The other night, my wife had to wake me out of a terrible nightmare. She said I was going on and on about how it was going to be dark soon and if everything wasn't in it's right place we were going to get hurt. That's right, a grown-ass man having a Minecraft nightmare.

Don't worry, it's just a dream.






ssssssssSSSSSSSSSS   :why_so_serious:

Xenon, where's my money?

Borno

To this day, I call all depressed peoples "Dweenles."  No really.

400k in sales. That's pretty good for an alpha.

Fuck devs who talk about how no one wants sandboxes or must have superhuge budgets to make them. Seriously, fuck off and go into another business if you think the only thing that could possibly sell is some Zynga-sucking ripoff or some horrible little on-raills shooter thing. And yeah, you otherwise good-minded, smart people who've tried to make "builder" environments need to take a hard look at Minecraft and think hard about why you failed. Here's one hint: compare making shit in Second Life with making shit in Minecraft. Sometimes you have to dial it back to the basics in order to make progress, not try to build sand castles on top of already shaky foundations.

I have nothing to add to this post, but I agree with it too much for me to not reply.  :oh_i_see:

I find my playtime in this game interesting, in that I play only when struck upon some great new creative force.  I went a week without playing at all, then BAM - I got an idea and have been playing for the past four hours; likely 20 more this week to finish it. 

I saw that the most recent Gamestop mag had a page on Minecraft. 

I wish there were more height available to us. 64 isn't a lot.

And I wish there was the possibility of going up in the mountains to get snow, and that it replenished.

Biomes are coming!

Looks like the map size is now blowing up Catograph. I'll keep trying to see if maybe it was something with my laptop, if not, I'll grab another program.

I pulled a save from the 16th down yesterday and was able to use Cartograph ... it sure did take awhile though. And claimed to be non-responsive while it was processing. I just let it go and eventually it worked. I use more standard settings though (what do you use to get it to turn out the way you do?).

The freezing is very typical of Cartograph. I use oblique-angled to get our map, which puts more strain on the program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNxcxnKYPOc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDjDV_Q_RI4
 :awesome_for_real:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeV0XB-w_yM

Firing a pig to the moon... you may have just sold me on the game.  :grin:

I saw that yesterday and figured I'd make that my next project (or modify it so mount dong could also shoot pigs etc).

I wonder how far that pig/sheep went, and if you could kill people by hitting them with said flying animal... :grin:

That is just monstrously awesome... Next we need a cannon that uses explosives as the projectile so people can have artillery battles.

Love this game, not so much for itself, but for the idea that it's making other game designers do a double-take.

(http://nik.bot.nu/img/orig/5/9/599553.jpg) (http://nik.bot.nu/img/orig/5/9/599553.jpg)

I have no words fit to describe the awesomeness of the animal cannon.


On the non-awesome front, apparently some assholes were DDoS'ing the Minecraft server yesterday.

What happens if a person enters the cannon?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSaGG0CmEfQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSaGG0CmEfQ)

Not quite as impressive.

Needs a bigger cannon.

I get the impression he hit the skybox. If he could find a way to angle it so he flies a bit more straight, he's onto something.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/10/22/minecraft-halloween-update-preview-meet-the-ghasts/ (http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/10/22/minecraft-halloween-update-preview-meet-the-ghasts/)

PC Gamer got some info about hell.  Apparently it really does exist!

That. Sounds. Awesome.

It's like King's The Talisman.

Best way to travel accross the map imo.  Enterprising groups could build a 'railgun' network across maps instead of using roads or minecarts.

I still like that teleport pad mod I saw.  Building waypoints would be fun.

Regarding lava for lighting. They'll need to work some bugs out. It's not like water physics, or even slowed down water physics. You plant a lava spring and then try to move it for whatever reason, odds are most of the lava 'waterfall' will persist for a random amount of time in ways that make no physical sense.

Just gave up on a game when I got tired of having to mop up giant lava spills by placing and removing dirt after trying to put some outside my base.

Just illuminate hallways with incinerators. Dig 2 tiles deep, 3 tall. Place a full block at the top closest to the hallway and a half stone at the bottom (this stops the lava from coming out and you from going in), then place blocks of lava in the top at the back and you have yourself a waterfall of lava that never stops, light AND a place to throw junk so it actually gets destroyed.

That's too complicated.  I discovered today that I can dump a bucket of lava on the side of a column and it will flow down to the ground and not spread.  I did this several times outside my "front" gates and along the roadway to my tower.  I then punched a pig into the lava just to be sure it was working.

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/85916/minecraft/lava_pig.png)

I'm getting some great ideas on lava flows that will certainly have a negative impact on server memory usage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asImTDkPWKA&feature=player_embedded#!

I love this video

Captivating.

My creations.   - been having a blast playing.. thanks for setting up the server. =)

The Skyholm Skyway

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j242/sokuraama/skyway01.jpg)

Skyholm

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j242/sokuraama/skyholm.jpg)

Jizz on a bike.

I've mentioned that I play a lot of minecraft, but I don't play on the F13 server; The server I play on, (one of the SA servers), is planning on resetting it's world for the holloween update. The world itself will be taken offline and will be avail as a single player download, but that's kind of boring and annoying to show it off.

So, I'm welcoming you all to come check out all the crap on there before it's wiped. You'll be a tourist so you can't build anything, but there's some super cool shit on there. If anyone asks, mention you're just a tourist and that I invited you to gawk. The server is "minecraft.chickenkiller.com". Here's the current map with labeled /warp points. Click it, it's big.

http://b.imagehost.org/0862/annotatedpenlands.png

I've put most of my time into Carrier & Vault31. Be sure to check out the vault's library & my special room there. Check out the enterprise, Mozzie's creation that's been featured in various places. Check out our 3d artwork, elephants, gutsman, trex, and more.

There's my dome and my awesome face! 

I'm installing lava lighting along my highway.

Just saying.

Heh, so I was experimenting with mine carts and boosters on single player (had to start from scratch as I never played single player.  So I get a bunch of iron, make railroad ties, carts, etc, and while I'm working I crash, relog and I die suffocating on rock because everything I did to the world had reverted back to a fresh map.  That sucked.

Lots of work on the server. How many people have been responsible for it, and how long have you been going?

That huge ass sand dome??  That thing is impressive...

My newest creation is Skyreach .. it's just south of ZAL's castle out in the Bay.