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Title: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Dark_MadMax on March 29, 2013, 04:35:49 PM
So I logged in first time this week since september. To check stuff out.  On gear side apparently there are infinite levels of grinds introduced since then with "ascended"  gear and some "purple weapons". Another thing is that I am stuck on low pop server and transfer now costs an arm and a leg (it was free before).

So really I am not sure if I should continue  -stuff I liked about the game  kinda still there (great world, fun combat) , but some zones were completely devoid of people and dynamic events was what made game much more fun. There is also seem to be gear grind and  I dont even have the old gear (my gear is lvl 80 rares).   Spvp is apparently totally dead now though  -  there is new tourney system (without tickets!) but no one doing em?

Is this game worth sticking around or is in slow decay?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Evildrider on March 29, 2013, 04:50:43 PM
I personally don't know anyone still playing this.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on March 29, 2013, 04:55:41 PM
All of my guild still plays... but playing intensity has decreased substantially. The game doesn't lend itself well to 'endgame' play (except for wvw) and since there's no monthly fee or 'crippled-unless-you-sub' features, there's no cost to check on things say, once a month. This isn't really different from GW1, btw (except that there was barely any reason to keep playing GW1 as a pve player after you've finished an expansion's story quests).

So yeah, pretty much everyone still logs in once or twice a month... and there are 3-4 people playing regularly (ie. every day). It's more than what I can say for my guildies' presence in SWTOR, Rift, LOTRO or even WOW, sooo.. /shrug


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Furiously on March 29, 2013, 05:17:34 PM
I dunno, the way they have changed dragon chests has brought a few people back. I think server choice matters a lot too. Northern Shiverpeaks for example hosts an "Orr Raid" every night. You run with a huge Zerg to all the temple events. Some nights it's a bit too busy.

I still do a fractal a night and try to complete my daily. But I'm on the catass end.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on March 29, 2013, 05:42:52 PM
All of my guild still plays... but playing intensity has decreased substantially. The game doesn't lend itself well to 'endgame' play (except for wvw) and since there's no monthly fee or 'crippled-unless-you-sub' features, there's no cost to check on things say, once a month. This isn't really different from GW1, btw (except that there was barely any reason to keep playing GW1 as a pve player after you've finished an expansion's story quests).

So yeah, pretty much everyone still logs in once or twice a month... and there are 3-4 people playing regularly (ie. every day). It's more than what I can say for my guildies' presence in SWTOR, Rift, LOTRO or even WOW, sooo.. /shrug

I have more reason to this day to go back to GW1 than GW2, so I'm not sure I agree with you there. Hunting down companion outfits, skill collecting, etc.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Simond on March 29, 2013, 08:25:00 PM
Well, the mods haven't graveyarded this subforum yet.

...mind you, they haven't moved the TSW subforum either.  :grin:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on March 29, 2013, 11:20:18 PM
Yak's Bend is constantly in overflow for chest events as are our two Wx3 sparring partners. Warbands in Wx3 can become a sea of red and green. It seems far from dead from my perspective - just as well as I only went back to the game this month :) ToG has at least 20 members on an (Aussie) evening and we run instances/fractals etc.

Living story is a bit hit and miss but if great for levelling alts on - well, the PvE portals are anyway.

I gave up on GW because:WoW - but now that I'm thoroughly disillusioned with WoW I got back into it and am having a blast (4x80 and warrior at 30)

I can't say it's dead, just humming along quietly.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Surlyboi on March 29, 2013, 11:30:09 PM
Well, the mods haven't graveyarded this subforum yet.

...mind you, they haven't moved the TSW subforum either.  :grin:

That's because TSW is still interesting.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Phred on March 30, 2013, 01:37:04 AM

Is this game worth sticking around or is in slow decay?


It still seems to be going fairly healthy from what I've seen. If your world is dead guest somewhere else. If you read other threads here instead of just starting your own you will find people complaining about guesting making the dragon zones overcrowded, hardly the sign of a dying game. I log in every couple of days and do a daily and I usually find quite a crowd in the various zones where I have alts parked to do dailies.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on March 30, 2013, 02:02:24 AM
Well, the mods haven't graveyarded this subforum yet.

...mind you, they haven't moved the TSW subforum either.  :grin:

Well, obviously with all of the new, fantastic AAA MMOs that we're all playing right now, we need to make some room.  We'll get right on that.

In the meantime, enjoy:

(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/82533/rakedance.gif)





Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Xanthippe on March 30, 2013, 12:00:53 PM
I'm still playing on the GoM server, although I just wvw. The pve in this game doesn't particularly interest me.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on March 30, 2013, 12:17:10 PM
I have more reason to this day to go back to GW1 than GW2, so I'm not sure I agree with you there. Hunting down companion outfits, skill collecting, etc.
Different strokes, I guess. I could never stomach the skill collection and companion outfit things myself (way too grindy and/or annoying)... I mean I still log into GW2 to do a dungeon, and that's more fun than what I could do in GW1. Considering how un-fun GW2 dungeons can be, that's probably not a good thing. :p The only reason I went back to GW1 was to finish my HOM for GW2, and occasionally play some FA or JQ.. 'cos honestly, the rest of GW1 pvp was either unenjoyable, or inherently unpuggable.

e: to be fair, there isn't that much more to keep coming back to gw2 either (aside from wvw and spvp). The new living story thing is worth an hour or two I guess, as are the rewards from monthly achievements... but I personally won't be playing much until they add some kind of LFD. Also, screw the legendary weapon grind.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on March 30, 2013, 01:17:34 PM
Having to do dungeons and fractals for monthly/gear is what made me quit.  Everything else with the game was fine, although it certainly did not have as many things to do as GW1 did.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Dark_MadMax on March 30, 2013, 03:12:13 PM
WwW is what burned me out of the game first place  my guild was too hardcore and l www queues at release were insane. I liked spvp tourneys quite a bit but then again it requires a lot of dedications and other ppl to run with which seem resulted in fact that spvp is mostly dead now (or the tourneys displays are bugged?)

I still love pve side and world exploration Last night I was just running  around and world is still gorgeous and worth exploring every bit even if its a bit  lonely. I done one event quest (quaggan wants become pirate) and it was great fun and hilarious too ( i do pity the pirates though). Some NPC dialogue is pure gold . I just wish there was more dynamic events going on - not the chest stuff which seem to be plenty populated but its centered around a few boss mobs in few areas - standard gear grind i suppose


Also I been trying to lvl on my thief alt who was lvl 4 , and for some reason its so much more painfull than on my engi (well who is lvl80 but still) -no ranged aoe and have to melee mobs which hit  so hard i am down in 2 hits :(


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Phred on March 30, 2013, 07:26:52 PM
Easy trick with the thief is offhand pistol. That aoe blind means you can kill stuff with impunity. It just takes a bit longer than other classes.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on March 30, 2013, 10:35:22 PM
Having to do dungeons and fractals for monthly/gear is what made me quit.  Everything else with the game was fine, although it certainly did not have as many things to do as GW1 did.

I haven't done that at all. I did some fractals for a monthly (it was like, 5 for one month. Which are 10 minute affairs), we'll see what next month's is. All my gear is crafted.

If anything, I'd argue that the daily vendor stuff for ascended is the worst of the lot, simply because it makes you feel like you HAVE to play every night for at least an hour or you are screwing yourself.  And it's also alt-unfriendly as all fuck since it's account wide for one laurel/day, and 35 laurels for an item.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on March 30, 2013, 10:37:00 PM
Easy trick with the thief is offhand pistol. That aoe blind means you can kill stuff with impunity. It just takes a bit longer than other classes.


Can do a few cheese with thief leveling. Offhand pistol for vets. Dual dagger #3 spam for packs of random things. Sword/Pistol #3 for large things that barely hurt. Use the healing signet for all of this as it's the only on-hit heal that heals per every hit instead of per skill activation.

Both of those #3s include evasion frames, so you basically take no damage for spamming them.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on March 31, 2013, 01:01:37 AM
Lion's Arch in overflow today - haven't seen the game this busy. Lots of people in group scenarios at all levels and you bump into people in the wilds which is nice. Lots of people doing the guild events.

Currently I'm levelling my warrior but at 47 the signet build has just about done it's dash. I'm running a GS/Rifle P/P build. Any advice on a levelling build from 50 on?

When I started this game I got my Ranger to 39 and gave up on the game completely. Too hard to level. I got back into the game at the start of this month and in the process of hitting 80 on the Ranger, I realised the class is a bit underwhelming.

This month I've got the LBow/SBow ranger to 80. Followed by a Flamethrower/Elixir Engineer - against all advice this has been fun and a face-melter when levelling as long as you can keep the cone of fire centred. Once I learnt to forget the underwater weapon and use grenades I had a lot of fun.

Guardian next - bloody fast to level after 60 with GS/Hammer - prior to that I was levelling ok with Sword/Focus and Mace/Shield. This has to be the most enjoyable 80s I have in PvE although...

Mesmer was the next to 80 and omg - send in the clones and watch it level fast. I took it out into Wx3 and had a ball.

So 36 hours ago I started my warrior. Quite brutal when he hits things and can melt 4-5 normal mobs at once - but without the finesse of a guardian. I'm having a ball playing him, but I've been reading up on warriors in Wx3 and am a bit worried that it will be face-plant city.

This game is far from dead to me and is refreshing after my love-hate relationship with WoW.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Dark_MadMax on March 31, 2013, 08:58:55 AM
Can do a few cheese with thief leveling. Offhand pistol for vets. Dual dagger #3 spam for packs of random things. Sword/Pistol #3 for large things that barely hurt. Use the healing signet for all of this as it's the only on-hit heal that heals per every hit instead of per skill activation.

Both of those #3s include evasion frames, so you basically take no damage for spamming them.


I mean I do know thiefs spvp tricks - I won about 200 tourneys or so with thief, so quite familiar with LDB/caltrops condition build and with blind,  but for pve leveling its quite different. I think LDB /caltrops probably could be best option once I ever unlock them but I was just reading caltrops got  nerfed in half and I am like wtf.... -conditions were always awful for pve events (other people kill shit so fast you can barely get credits for it and there is cap on condition for bosses so you are SOL)

 One thing is having 1200 range grenades on engy with turrets for distraction where you can basically never get hit and do any packs as long as you are not "glancing ", all you need is grenade kit unlocked. And with my thief its been royal pain to get even to 20, let alone unlock the traits for effective build (because as stock thief without traits you have no ini and cant do shit)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on March 31, 2013, 02:19:02 PM
Grenade engies are pretty shit until post-60 (due to the third grenade/throw trait being the only thing that makes it better than just spamming flamethrower in events)

Caltrops in pve zergs aren't bad as long as you have condition damage. The way condition stacking works sucks, but if you have any decent amount of cond damage, your bleed ticks will still trigger (the way it works on bleed is that the last dude to apply doesn't own the whole stack, everyone basically gets their slice. So my engie constantly has bleed ticks running, while his burning tick is pretty rare since it stacks duration)

DB/Caltrops in general will level a thief easy though. You only need to re-evaluate life around 60-70 where you get a normal build and start spamming point blank range Cluster Bombs for DE tagging. Seriously, the best tagging class in the game due to shotgun cluster bombs.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Dark_MadMax on March 31, 2013, 02:48:55 PM
Yeah slowly getting hang of it . I was also doing the zone from "wrong" side and mobs were 5 lvls above me lol.caltrops are still good finally unlocked them :)  I might have forgotten all the leveling woes of the engi since he is lvl 80 now and just facerolls anything  .Its funny though that I never played thief in pve and first 20 levels are like fighting with both hands tied  after  getting used to  fully unlocked skills and gear in spvp

Finally done the monthly thing (the damn master crafter achieve was royal pain) to my dissapointment it was only 10 laurels (for some reason i thought if u do all 4 tiers u get extra 10).  I kinda want ascended stuff but seems best way is to grind dungeons and guild events.Seems I have  to look for guild  now

Also  world is not quite dead indeed I did kessex and around there  -  less people than at release but still enough to do most events. I just now guest to other servers if on mine it looks empty





Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on March 31, 2013, 08:31:32 PM
I'm still logging in and periodically leveling my Necro. The new April content looks pretty great and I have a feeling that'll drag me back in pretty heavily.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on April 01, 2013, 01:24:49 AM
I still need cooking for master crafter - I'm not looking forward to levelling it - the others were all easy


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: TheDreamr on April 01, 2013, 05:55:24 AM
I still need cooking for master crafter - I'm not looking forward to levelling it - the others were all easy

If you're not against following a guide then cooking isn't hard - went from 0 to 400 in an hour (plus shopping time) last night for around 1.8g plus a small amount of karma and still had a little inventory space left at the end.

Still finding GW2 Crafts (http://www.gw2crafts.net/) a useful resource as it works out the cheapest materials to use based on latest TH prices and then provides a crafting plan.  Big thank you to whoever dropped that link in one of the other threads btw, has been most helpful.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on April 01, 2013, 07:39:56 AM
Thanks for that, I'll give it a shot :)

 Just got my warrior to 80 in 3 days. I'm a bit ambivalent towards the class since the signets became weak. Currently my rating of classes is Guardian = Mesmer > Engineer = Ramger > Warrior. Compared to a GS/Hammer Guardian, a GS/Bow/Rifle Warrior with shout-heals is weak - Orrians pulverise him into the ground compared to the Guardian (both in Knight's armour). The burst on the warrior seems higher but needs more finesse than the Guardian which just mows everything down. The mesmer GS/Scepter/Focus is just all-out awesome and has to be one of the most fun kiting classes I've played :)

With 3 classes to go, I need a break from levelling and to sit back and enjoy the classes I have levelled. I like exploring but have no wish to map-complete and TBH, I'm  a bit burnt out on the levelling process.

As far as races go, I love the Charr backstory (Warrior and Engineer) and the Norn was "OK" (Ranger). The human story was boring which is sad because the Mesmer and Guardian are both... human).

I have an Asura Thief at 8 but as an earlier post pointed out, it feels fragile. I might have to dig out the tree-necromancer when it next comes time to level and just take it easy.

I'm assuming that a necro is easier to level than a Thief or Ele.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on April 01, 2013, 08:33:02 AM
Minor derail, but the April 1st thing GW2 is doing (https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/april-2013/) is pretty fucking  :awesome_for_real: :drill: :why_so_serious:.

It's basically an 8-bit style minigame with some really crazy stuff. They'll have it going until end of April, so get to de choppa!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Xanthippe on April 01, 2013, 08:56:35 AM
I'm assuming that a necro is easier to level than a Thief or Ele.

I have a 61 mesmer, 61 necro and 80 ele. The ele was the most difficult to level, then the necro, then the mesmer.

Ele just doesn't feel strong enough to make up for its fragility (unless you go D/D bunker type). It's a little disappointing.

It does seem to me that there are fewer people playing the past couple of weeks, but maybe it's just my server. I mostly stay in wvw. The two servers we play against doesn't change very often. One of them just got a huge number of transfers, so that we are now outnumbered by a good bit, which isn't a whole lot of fun much of the time. We're down in the second to last tier, and in third place in our tier, so I suppose we'll be dropping to last tier soon. I don't know how this could be fixed by the developers in any long term way, really.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on April 01, 2013, 09:10:21 AM
I hear there are some low pop servers, but Tarnished Coast is one of the full ones and it's anything but dead. 

I'd suggest trying the Adventure Box dungeon.  It made me want to kill myself because I hate jumping puzzles, but the community is going apeshit over it and it does look pretty amazing.

That and the game is still fun.  The grinds are entirely avoidable. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Xanthippe on April 01, 2013, 09:23:47 AM
I tried the Super Fun Adventure or whatever it's called. It made me want to stab myself, because I am terrible at jumping. I avoid jumping puzzles.

I made it through the first world but will not be playing further.

I did very much like the whole 8 bit platform-y Japanese style theme, however, but sucked at it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Furiously on April 01, 2013, 09:43:35 AM
You can always talk to the cloud and use baby mode. No jumping then.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on April 01, 2013, 09:45:11 AM
Dat end boss.  :ye_gods:

I guess he's soloable, it just takes foreverrrrr... unless there are some [hidden] skills that make the process go faster.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Xanthippe on April 01, 2013, 09:45:33 AM
You can always talk to the cloud and use baby mode. No jumping then.

I was using baby mode. I am that terrible at jumping.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on April 01, 2013, 09:59:06 AM
You can always talk to the cloud and use baby mode. No jumping then.

Can you still get the chests?  I'm not aware of any rewards except scattered baubles with the chance of skins in the chests. 

I'm tempted to explore this dungeon solo, but I don't want to do the bauble grind.  If there was some other chance of something dropping, I'd invest the time.  Other than that, I've seen it, it's pretty, I'm fine to never go back.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tmon on April 01, 2013, 06:14:17 PM
You can always talk to the cloud and use baby mode. No jumping then.

I was using baby mode. I am that terrible at jumping.

Same here, it's a neat idea, but not for me. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Dark_MadMax on April 01, 2013, 06:39:00 PM

I'd suggest trying the Adventure Box dungeon.  It made me want to kill myself because I hate jumping puzzles, but the community is going apeshit over it and it does look pretty amazing.

Yeah its full of jumping puzzles but I like most puzzles. Its pretty long though if you go for all chests  and end boss takes forever too


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on April 04, 2013, 09:37:34 AM
Having to do dungeons and fractals for monthly/gear is what made me quit.  Everything else with the game was fine, although it certainly did not have as many things to do as GW1 did.
Laurels from the daily can net you all the Ascended gear now, if you need more than exotics.  Starting with this month, the Monthlies are like the Dailies in that you have to only complete four of several categories.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on April 05, 2013, 01:26:21 AM
I think I finally "got" my warrior. I blew all my gold on exotic gear and watched him doing massive GS hits on mobs - all of a sudden he was fun :) Thief is still a pain for me as she's only level 8, still feels fragile. I fired up a Necro and got it to 30 (admittedly 10 of those levels were doing cooking for master crafter - thanks for the link).

I'm not feeling the necro yet - the minion master thing just doesn't feel as much fun as my L20 GW1 necro. I wondering about levelling with a condition build instead of pet P/P

Then again, I didn't feel my engineer until he was L70, guardian or mesmer until they were L60 and warrior until L50. My ranger never felt good sadly. I need to re-look at the build (P/P + beast)

Once I 80 the necro I want to have a look at the ele - I've never got around to one.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: KallDrexx on April 05, 2013, 07:55:45 AM
I'm not feeling the necro yet - the minion master thing just doesn't feel as much fun as my L20 GW1 necro. I wondering about levelling with a condition build instead of pet P/P

Yeah, they totally took everything that was cool about a minion master in GW1 and neutered it in GW2.  Granted probably about 50% of that is the pet AI in GW2 is flat out retarded.  I was pretty sad that they didnt' take a bunch of the cool necro stuff from GW1 to GW2.

Necro is more fun once you stop using their pets though.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: vex on April 05, 2013, 08:49:16 AM
I run a dagger focus power build now but leveling my necro I used a straight condition scepter dagger build all the way to 80.  I have 6 level 80's and my necro was the most fun and probably easiest to level.  I never thought twice about diving into a pack of mobs and just melting them all.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Dark_MadMax on April 11, 2013, 04:20:06 AM
I finally got 30 laurels and god damn I am disappointed lol - reading descriptions all asceneded items are not only account bound (which I am fine with) but also soulbound on use! means i cant swap them between alts . Not only I would have to get jewelry for each slot , I have to get it for each spec and then for each alt... ughhhh .That seriously kills the desire to continue


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on April 11, 2013, 09:50:26 AM
Necklaces are the only piece you can't get through other means.  Rings drop like candy in the level 10+ fractal instances, and the rest of the pieces can be bought with tokens.

Now all those require a level of grinding I'm not willing to do, but if you're not running fractals, you don't really need the ascended gear anyways.  Just stick with exotics.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Furiously on April 11, 2013, 12:48:04 PM
Necklaces are the only piece you can't get through other means.  Rings drop like candy in the level 10+ fractal instances, and the rest of the pieces can be bought with tokens.

Now all those require a level of grinding I'm not willing to do, but if you're not running fractals, you don't really need the ascended gear anyways.  Just stick with exotics.

But...But the magic find...


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on April 11, 2013, 01:50:16 PM
I really dislike the account nature of ascended gear, simply because it limits the fuck out of alt lovers. Stat wise, the gear hasn't really bugged me that much. It's still dumb as hell and not needed, but not out and out offensive to me. I just really liked the relatively short hop from "just hit max level" to "and now I'm fully geared" that used to be there.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on April 11, 2013, 02:14:04 PM
Yeah, I can see that.  Khalipha took me by surprise with the ferocity of the reaction for exactly that reason.  It's mostly a non-issue to me, but I could see hate burning in those eyes.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Dark_MadMax on April 12, 2013, 06:25:23 PM
I keep playing it casually so far, which is quite enjoyable  - even though I already have 1 lvl 80 there is so much of the world I havent seen  . I have also 6 alts sitting there  waiting if I get bored with thief ( doubt  - its very fun class, despite it  could be frustrating to die if you miss the dodge lol). And  I  was able to do almost every event I want, -servers are not quite dead and people are around, when my server is empty  I just guest on high pop ones.

 Though more I play it its getting harder to keep   suppressing my achiever side which urges to  grind the chest events/fractals/www for ranks, which I think might actually turn it from fun into grind and make me quit again.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Trippy on April 12, 2013, 06:36:55 PM
I keep playing it casually so far, which is quite enjoyable  - even though I already have 1 lvl 80 there is so much of the world I havent seen  . I have also 6 alts sitting there  waiting if I get bored with thief ( doubt  - its very fun class, despite it  could be frustrating to die if you miss the dodge lol). And  I  was able to do almost every event I want, -servers are not quite dead and people are around, when my server is empty  I just guest on high pop ones.

 Though more I play it its getting harder to keep   suppressing my achiever side which urges to  grind the chest events/fractals/www for ranks, which I think might actually turn it from fun into grind and make me quit again.
Please, for the love of all that's good and pure, fix your space bar.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Dark_MadMax on April 18, 2013, 06:33:55 PM
Been doing dungeons (believe it or not only done Ascalon Tomb in release) - I dunno why the hate. they are pretty fun with decent story and amazing environment for most part(winter fractal impressed me the most so far). Fights themselves are not exactly the strongest point but they  are not too bad either.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Spiff on April 19, 2013, 06:53:34 AM
The fractals in and of themselves are quite excellent I thought, it's just the poor implementation that let them down again;
- they're fun, fairly fast little things, but then they practically force you to do at least 3-4 in a row.
- they coupled them with a ridiculous gear grind and of course a 'magic stat' that they crow-barred in there.
- the unique skins (and what else does one play GW for in the end?  :drill:) are also walled off behind the higher tiers, again forcing you to take part in the grind.

And that's not even mentioning when they launched they had no respawn, no way to reconnect if someone got disconnected and everyone had to be on the exact same tier to get a reward.

The architecture of the world and the dungeons is probably some of the best I've seen in an MMO, but the more I played the more I saw how it's constantly marred by poor mechanics.

I got a good 3-4 months of solid fun out of this, but I haven't logged in more than a few hours the past month and the same goes for most people in my guild.
There's just no hook; no house to fill with silly trophies, no superduper raids to beat, nothing to rally a guild (the guild missions are an attempt, but not an impressive one), WvW got stale and repetitive by about the second month and I am one of those fools that's been pining for the RvR 'glory days' of DaoC as well.

No sub so who knows? I might jump back in and get hooked for another month next year, if they add some good content, but it doesn't feel like it atm.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on April 20, 2013, 06:01:09 PM
Once they tuned them a bit, the dungeons are actually really fun, yeah. Weirdly, explorables are substantially better tuned and more fun than the story modes.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Furiously on April 20, 2013, 09:35:28 PM
CoE is hell both ways.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on April 20, 2013, 10:49:28 PM
Free 2 day trial offer this weekend and the game has gone to shit. Barren's chat everywhere on Yak's Bend.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Dark_MadMax on April 20, 2013, 11:02:27 PM
Free 2 day trial offer this weekend and the game has gone to shit. Barren's chat everywhere on Yak's Bend.

Ehh Id say barrens chat >>> no chat. Game is populated and its good


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on April 21, 2013, 10:41:55 AM
Free 2 day trial offer this weekend and the game has gone to shit. Barren's chat everywhere on Yak's Bend.

By that standard every single game is shit.  People on the internet are morons, they have always been morons and they will always continue to be morons.  I don't see how this reflects in any way on the quality or enjoyment of a game.  I have not played an MMO since EQ were my very first action upon logging in was not to turn off any world broadcast channels.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Dark_MadMax on April 21, 2013, 01:34:27 PM
I got a good 3-4 months of solid fun out of this, but I haven't logged in more than a few hours the past month and the same goes for most people in my guild.
There's just no hook; no house to fill with silly trophies, no superduper raids to beat, nothing to rally a guild (the guild missions are an attempt, but not an impressive one), WvW got stale and repetitive by about the second month and I am one of those fools that's been pining for the RvR 'glory days' of DaoC as well.

No sub so who knows? I might jump back in and get hooked for another month next year, if they add some good content, but it doesn't feel like it atm.

Well 3-4 month of fun is imho a lot nowdays.  In my personal book TSW is one of the greatest online games I ever played(deliberately not saying MMO :) ), but I was done with it in 2 months (1 month of beta and 1 month at release). I literally done every single thing and seen every piece of content in that game in 1 month span. In gw2 on other hand I  probably seen 60%-70% of content, my most progressed lvl 80 character havent seen 8 big zones at all . And its my only lvl 80 class. There things which still genuinely new for me in there (well as far as "new" could be for old gamer)

I done quite a bit of WWW and Spvp at release and the former is a lot of content in itself if you are into that sort of thing. Spvp is sadly pretty much dead, but  even htojin  could be some mindless  fun occasionally

There is a lot of stuff GW2 offers. Sure some of it is of  grindy/repeat style quality, but nevertheless the rest is genuinely good . It is just I think honeymoon is over for most  and people wont play same game for extended period of time, regardless of the actual quality. "Been there done that". The only games people still play are same old games they married first place (read WoW for most people, EvE for some weirdos), some people are long divorced and only look at younglings in disgust (e.g. UO/EQ/Daoc hardcores)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tannhauser on April 25, 2013, 04:42:24 AM
I popped back in GW2 last night after three months away and had a good time.  But my Daily list showed me needing to kill a Champion?  With the low pop I saw last night how are you supposed to solo a Champion? 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on April 25, 2013, 05:16:03 AM
I popped back in GW2 last night after three months away and had a good time.  But my Daily list showed me needing to kill a Champion?  With the low pop I saw last night how are you supposed to solo a Champion? 

Guest on a High Pop server - Yak's Bend is pretty much always got groups of 80+ taking on chest dragons/Maw etc.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: satael on April 25, 2013, 07:00:48 AM
I popped back in GW2 last night after three months away and had a good time.  But my Daily list showed me needing to kill a Champion?  With the low pop I saw last night how are you supposed to solo a Champion? 

I think the tower lords in wvw are champions.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on April 25, 2013, 08:41:41 AM
Just finished a guild run of Ogre Wars and the Hrathi Centaur equivalent, chest at the end of each. 40-50 of us smashing Ogres and then Centaurs for over an hour - at the end of it my bags were full and everyone had fun. Infinitely more fun than trying not to fall asleep on a Jormag event. Last night we ran Low level Fractals for newbies and had 20 people in 4 groups having fun and not wiping.

Big guilds are fun and due to size constrictions, we actually run 3 guilds, so there's always something happening.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on April 25, 2013, 09:52:41 AM
I popped back in GW2 last night after three months away and had a good time.  But my Daily list showed me needing to kill a Champion?  With the low pop I saw last night how are you supposed to solo a Champion? 
Queensdale is popular for the group events and champions.  Troll, Oakheart, Wasp, Boar, and of course the Shadow Beast.

You also only need five out of all those on the list, so it's safe to skip a few you don't like or aren't reasonable to do.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on April 25, 2013, 10:30:00 AM
Yep! You'll probably finish 5 of those up during normal gameplay, though some MAY urge you to travel to a different area (ie. "complete 4 events in Shiverpeaks zones"). WvW is probably the best way to finish them all, since you get gathering, wvw / caravan kills, champion kills, group events, veteran kills, and maybe even kill variety if you go off-road a bit (does each player count as a separate kill for variety? me forget).

In fact, I think GW2's daily/monthly activity system is the ONLY one on the market that doesn't suck ass.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on April 25, 2013, 12:47:50 PM
LoTRO skirmishes (NOT tasks) are still the best daily thinger, to me. GW2 does a nice job at that, at least, although I'm not sure the rewards are really very compelling.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on April 25, 2013, 02:55:47 PM
The Laurels Dailies and Monthlies give allow you to buy some nice things, though their costs feel a bit high.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on April 25, 2013, 02:59:17 PM
Well, it's an alternate way of getting ascended gear if you don't want to run fractals... and yeah, the costs are high. I'd either make the gear unlockable instead of buyable (so you'd get them on all your alts after buying them on one char), or cut their prices by at least 50%. As it is, you can gear up ONE of your characters in a year or so of on-and-off gameplay? Eh.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Dark_MadMax on April 25, 2013, 03:23:46 PM
Well, it's an alternate way of getting ascended gear if you don't want to run fractals... and yeah, the costs are high. I'd either make the gear unlockable instead of buyable (so you'd get them on all your alts after buying them on one char), or cut their prices by at least 50%. As it is, you can gear up ONE of your characters in a year or so of on-and-off gameplay? Eh.

Yeah it kinda feels very grindy if you want get specific sets/gear. I mean I been running COF/fractals   daily for past  2 weeks. It take a lot of time and really only got me barely close to set of exotic gear. Only thing I got from over 70 fractals runs is 20 slot bag.  i shudder to think how much grind is to get armor set from unpopular explorable dungeons. I also really want one SAB skin but 50 bauble bubbles? - insane


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tannhauser on April 25, 2013, 04:30:21 PM
I don't play GW2 for the loot, it blows chunks.  I vendor greens, who gives a shit.  This games for combat, exploration and WvW.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on April 25, 2013, 04:40:55 PM
But I thought their cosmetic system was supposed to be so much better than anyone else's? Doesn't mean much if you can't get the gear to use for the look.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Furiously on April 25, 2013, 04:53:07 PM
Well, it's an alternate way of getting ascended gear if you don't want to run fractals... and yeah, the costs are high. I'd either make the gear unlockable instead of buyable (so you'd get them on all your alts after buying them on one char), or cut their prices by at least 50%. As it is, you can gear up ONE of your characters in a year or so of on-and-off gameplay? Eh.

Yeah it kinda feels very grindy if you want get specific sets/gear. I mean I been running COF/fractals   daily for past  2 weeks. It take a lot of time and really only got me barely close to set of exotic gear. Only thing I got from over 70 fractals runs is 20 slot bag.  i shudder to think how much grind is to get armor set from unpopular explorable dungeons. I also really want one SAB skin but 50 bauble bubbles? - insane

Ok, you get two per zone, so that's six per day per character. Plus you can easily get an extra one just with the shovel in zone two (trading baubles for bauble bubbles) if you run one character nine times you get a guarenteed skin. Running more characters makes it a bit quicker. Your 1/50 odds for  a drop also help a bit.  Or you can just run zone two digging for a couple hours and get 10 bauble bubbles.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on April 25, 2013, 04:53:19 PM
About half the sets are actually available on the cheap for karma if you are fine with transmuting. I'd love a cosmetic slot, but it would probably mess with their micro transaction model.

For example, the CM armor sets are given out as greens by a bunch of the Orr vendors, texture wise. My engineer gets a bunch of compliments because I found a karma vendor in the middle of nowhere that sells a set that doesn't appear to be reused ever.

CoF armor isn't available via other methods, and fractal weapon skins are just a punch in the dick to get however.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on April 25, 2013, 05:14:21 PM
I also really want one SAB skin but 50 bauble bubbles? - insane

It took me half a day to get the GS SAB skin. I ran each character through the first section for 2 baubles each run. Time in instance = 7 minutes including stupid intro. I then created 2 Asura alts and ran them through the starter area. One alt would be deleted after a SAB run and then re-created allowing infinite runs using that character slot.

I have 10 Character slots and by timing my run to before and after reset (2 runs each character on the same day) I only needed to recycle the lowbie alt 5 times to get the GS skin and less for the backpack. I did this 3 times over my holiday break and came away with a hatred of green. But it's not hard to do. The most boring part is the Asura starter area and the intro to SAB.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on April 25, 2013, 10:17:56 PM
But I thought their cosmetic system was supposed to be so much better than anyone else's? Doesn't mean much if you can't get the gear to use for the look.
Oh, their cosmetic system is the best ever.. as long as you get some HOM points and get free infinitely reusable good-lookin' skins for all your gear. It's what I do, anyway. :grin:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on April 26, 2013, 09:05:20 AM

For example, the CM armor sets are given out as greens by a bunch of the Orr vendors, texture wise. My engineer gets a bunch of compliments because I found a karma vendor in the middle of nowhere that sells a set that doesn't appear to be reused ever.


Give us the location for the precious?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on April 26, 2013, 10:24:09 AM

For example, the CM armor sets are given out as greens by a bunch of the Orr vendors, texture wise. My engineer gets a bunch of compliments because I found a karma vendor in the middle of nowhere that sells a set that doesn't appear to be reused ever.


Give us the location for the precious?

First vendor in Malchor's Leap is Pagga's Post. It sells some unique armor looks, and some that are the alternate quest rewards for the Orr chain textures (so you can get commando armor if you picked the CM lookalike during the chain)

edit: link to the set I'm using, and where it's from:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Conquest_armor


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on April 28, 2013, 11:10:14 AM
Thanks!  :drill:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Dark_MadMax on April 29, 2013, 07:20:02 AM
t took me half a day to get the GS SAB skin. I ran each character through the first section for 2 baubles each run. Time in instance = 7 minutes including stupid intro. I then created 2 Asura alts and ran them through the starter area. One alt would be deleted after a SAB run and then re-created allowing infinite runs using that character slot.

I have 10 Character slots and by timing my run to before and after reset (2 runs each character on the same day) I only needed to recycle the lowbie alt 5 times to get the GS skin and less for the backpack. I did this 3 times over my holiday break and came away with a hatred of green. But it's not hard to do. The most boring part is the Asura starter area and the intro to SAB.

After farming the damn SAB for 3 days  with 7 chars  and a few digging runs  I got myself 3 skins! I hate sab with a passion now lol . Also the SAB title  achievement is made by sadists


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on April 29, 2013, 09:32:43 AM
We've had a full month.  There was no reason to grind it out.  :-P

The greatsword skin on an Asura Warrior is perfect.  The way she flails about makes you wonder who thought giving a kid a lightsaber was a bright idea.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Furiously on April 30, 2013, 01:11:52 AM
We've had a full month.  There was no reason to grind it out.  :-P

The greatsword skin on an Asura Warrior is perfect.  The way she flails about makes you wonder who thought giving a kid a lightsaber was a bright idea.

Darn Obi-Wan....but yea the 2% drop rate really made it punishing.  Then again I'm gonna make some clovers for cheap.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on May 01, 2013, 04:12:34 AM
I picked up 4 GS skins and blew 16G each for 2 on the AH. When the prices rocketed to 70G I dumped 4 onto the market and am hanging on to the other 2 for now to see what the market does. I also have a staff, shield and scepter plus used by BBs to buy the soulbound skins. 2 swords left me with chump change for T3 Asura heavy armour and I'm going to blow the revenue on T3 Charr heavy tonight. I thought about saving the gold but screw it, I'm not going for a legendary and most of my characters are in exotics except for a few that are running rare underwater equipment.

SAB was good to me, but I don't ever want to go in there again - my eyes ache from it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Dark_MadMax on May 03, 2013, 06:11:40 PM
While I am not much into cosmetic stuff myself many other people characters outfits continue to amaze me on daily basis. Variety and customization of armor/weapons skins in this game is top notch, I dont ever get  now why people grind "x tier" gear in wow and such when all it achieves is making you exactly like next guy.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on May 03, 2013, 09:35:26 PM
Interesting you should say that, my (female BE DK wears her DK 50-60 quest gear transmogged over whatever she has picked up because IMO it's the best looking DK gear in the game. She also uses the quest 2H sword for that matter - or she would if I didn't get sick of where WoW has gone.

I'm liking some of the GW2 T3 gear sets too not to mention some of the crafted

My level 80 GW2 character's gear pics in spoiler:


I'm currently rolling through a Sylvari ranger for the personal story achievement and have her in Whispers gear because I'm not sure I like the Syvari cultural sets.

At the moment I really rate the Asura T3 Heavy and light Armour and weapons over everything else. To the extent that I'll probably roll an Asuran Necro or Mesmer so I can kit them up in T3 (my guild holds fancy dress contests which Kira Chenco won last time on a theme "heroic"). The Charr heavy T3 is fantastic but I hate the leather/cloth wrapping on arms and legs as well as the "tail cover".

I may have carried my WoW-addiction over to GW2  :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Dark_MadMax on May 05, 2013, 08:40:16 AM
My level 80 GW2 character's gear pics in spoiler:

Some really nice sets there.  Particularly like necro , charr engy and ele.

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At the moment I really rate the Asura T3 Heavy and light Armour and weapons over everything else.

Yeah but Asura are so tiny you can literally hide them behind charr/norn ankles :) My original asura engy made with smallest possibly silhouette for www purposes is  as big as  a mini pet


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on May 26, 2013, 05:14:58 PM

I still think the start of this game is brilliant in terms of content (huge amounts) and the way your character naturally evolves, can just go wandering and find content, and that content naturally scales up to be co-operative and often more intense when done with others. It's a superb model for a more casual type of MMO.

But the content since launch has shown little foresight or novelty. World events that occur at one time and one place should have been seen as a bad idea on the drawing board. Much of the content seems determine to make it a grouping MMO (southsun, dungeons) which is pretty traditional and nothing much like the launch content. It's also creating a bit of a conflict between content and the progression carrot which splits the achievers and more casual players (and still no LFG while doing this?).

Even the model of content that is added and then vanishes after a set time is a pretty foolish use of resources. These days, despite being a fan of the game, I look at the new content and realise it is going to probably end up in a dungeon I'd need to PUG and don't bother. A lot of the added content, like southsun, isn't terribly fun... though I am told the intention is you should be bringing a group.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tannhauser on May 26, 2013, 07:21:23 PM
My thoughts exactly.  If group play wasn't so nut-crunching, maybe I'd have kept playing.  But it's such a tremendous solo game it's a shame their later patches don't continue that direction.  This game killed WoW and Rift dead for me with its fun, exciting combat and exploration.

Although I don't play anymore, I still keep an eye out to see if Arenanet comes to their senses.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: KallDrexx on May 26, 2013, 07:33:18 PM
Now that I've ordered my gaming PC I'm veeerryy tempted to start playing again.  But I dunno, I really have no desire to do fractals and dungeons (well I have a desire, but no desire to pug them) and I've missed most of the new content they've added so I'm not sure it'll be as fun as the first 2 or so months I played.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Dark_MadMax on May 27, 2013, 01:51:05 AM
Now that I've ordered my gaming PC I'm veeerryy tempted to start playing again.  But I dunno, I really have no desire to do fractals and dungeons (well I have a desire, but no desire to pug them) and I've missed most of the new content they've added so I'm not sure it'll be as fun as the first 2 or so months I played.


well gw2lfg.com is  good site for puggin and  I done FOTM to lvl28  purely with pugs and it was for most part decent experience.

Game itself experiences influx of new/returning people .  Servers now are "very high" on all time and now 4 servers are listed as "full" - that is stark contrast to february when none of the servers were "full " .

They new temporary content they adding is  good for most part (SAB/Molten Facility) despite southsun being some of a letdown (its just a few new dynamic events).

They adding new stuff on monthly basis  and it seems if they continue doing that eventually Gw2 will become  much better game than it was on release


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Bzalthek on June 23, 2013, 08:18:33 PM
I enjoy popping on from time to time.  I would really like to play as a Skrit.  Every quest could just be to get the shiny for all I care.  Just as long as everything I do or say is frantic.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on June 24, 2013, 10:44:06 AM
Skrit tool tips change as you get more skrit in the party.

Warrior - Greatsword - Arcing Slice    Burst    ¾    10    Strike your foe with an uppercut and gain fury.

"Shiny!"
"Shiny hurt."
"Skrit hit! Rawr! 
"Hit foe.  Get mad."
"Strike your foes with an uppercut and gain fury."


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Bzalthek on June 24, 2013, 01:32:51 PM
This must happen.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on June 24, 2013, 03:01:55 PM
Tomorrow's patch is supposed to be stupidly large, and focus primarily on balance chances and shaking up the viable build list.

Supposedly leaked notes. Take with a giant block of salt:

http://pastebin.com/2rrFg9pS


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on June 24, 2013, 03:08:29 PM
Are ranger pets still buggy ass?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on June 24, 2013, 03:12:44 PM
Are Necro pets still even worse buggy ass?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on June 24, 2013, 03:13:13 PM
They're not buggy anymore, but they are still ass imo.

They changed them a while back to run a bit faster/attack at a longer range so they wouldn't miss moving targets, and made their F2 specials FAR more responsive.

But they're still squishy as shit and you have to run the ranged pets in any sort of champion encounter or they just up and die in one hit. Still probably the class I dislike playing the most.

edit: necro pets aren't buggy, they're just shitty. And IIRC that stupid spawnling on target death is still a minor trait that everyone winds up with and hates. Though from the leaked notes, death nova may be even better now. Which was always the only thing to do with necro pets: hope they die somewhere useful.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on June 24, 2013, 03:25:54 PM
Oh wow, they nerfed (or moved it way deeper) that petswap for haste talent. How mad are the rangers? Super mad or SUperDuper mad?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Bzalthek on June 24, 2013, 03:32:31 PM
And I just started playing a ranger.  Heh.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on June 24, 2013, 03:40:36 PM
Oh wow, they nerfed (or moved it way deeper) that petswap for haste talent. How mad are the rangers? Super mad or SUperDuper mad?

Zero Fucks from what I've seen. Now, the shortbow range nerf however..


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on June 24, 2013, 06:04:49 PM
If the notes are true, I might go back to a pet spec:  "Bone Fiend and Shadow Fiend now regenerate outside of combat."


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ard on June 24, 2013, 06:18:02 PM
Rangers have been pissed since the game came out.  That part isn't new. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on June 24, 2013, 10:11:21 PM
That's why the question was Super mad or SuperDuper mad!

Mad is their default state.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on June 25, 2013, 08:30:43 AM
I'm eyeballing the changes to the Spite line for Necromancers and suddenly a crit based axe/signet build looks awfully fun. Not very group friendly, but awfully fun.

Doesn't matter. They're buffing wells.  :grin:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nija on June 25, 2013, 02:21:03 PM
I'd like to get back into this.

The last time I played was the October halloween event.

I logged on and it's REALLY CONFUSING to me for some reason.

Is there a wiki summary page somewhere of new shit that I should be doing? These town crier dudes are pretty worthless.

I don't even know what a fractal IS. Or where they are.

Christ. This is one area that ongoing games need to work on. Do I just concentrate on THIS MONTHs content, or July content in a few days? Can I not do any of the previous shit?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on June 25, 2013, 05:06:24 PM
The events are pretty well self-contained. dulfy.net has the best and most up to date guides.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: 01101010 on June 25, 2013, 07:41:01 PM
I'd like to get back into this.

The last time I played was the October halloween event.

I logged on and it's REALLY CONFUSING to me for some reason.

Is there a wiki summary page somewhere of new shit that I should be doing? These town crier dudes are pretty worthless.

I don't even know what a fractal IS. Or where they are.

Christ. This is one area that ongoing games need to work on. Do I just concentrate on THIS MONTHs content, or July content in a few days? Can I not do any of the previous shit?


That bolded part really does hamper me getting back into this and other games. You bail for a month and you might as well find a new game or start a new character. -


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on June 25, 2013, 07:48:28 PM

Pretty much, it's the cost of depth in the game... though I don't think GW2 does a very good job of helping, way too much hidden content and weird tokens.

Some of the larger changes of late have been guild events which progress your guild, fractals are a new layer of dungeon with gear progression (which is valuable only in the context of those dungeons) and I think they modified the dailies so you can buy equivalent gear just by doing the daily (using "laurels").

I used the wiki to decode the armor progression and was happy to find that while there are lots of, fairly confusing, paths to orange armor they all end up in the same place in terms of level of power. It turned out the easiest way to get orange weapons was buy them in the AH which was a bit of an anti-climax but I can live with it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: EWSpider on June 25, 2013, 07:55:02 PM
I'd like to get back into this.

The last time I played was the October halloween event.

I logged on and it's REALLY CONFUSING to me for some reason.

Is there a wiki summary page somewhere of new shit that I should be doing? These town crier dudes are pretty worthless.

I don't even know what a fractal IS. Or where they are.

Christ. This is one area that ongoing games need to work on. Do I just concentrate on THIS MONTHs content, or July content in a few days? Can I not do any of the previous shit?


That bolded part really does hamper me getting back into this and other games. You bail for a month and you might as well find a new game or start a new character. -

That couldn't be any more further from the truth.  In GW2 you simply do whatever the hell you want to do.  The monthly/bi-weekly patches don't provide anything but new skins and achievements for the most part.  If you don't want the holographic wings you can ignore Dragon Bash, although the Dragon Ball pvp instance is quite fun.  Again, the new content that just released today rewards only achievements, a mini, and a new skin (monocle).  If you like 5 man dungeons the one just released is challenging and a lot of fun.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/a-guide-to-dragon-bash/

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/a-guide-to-sky-pirates-of-tyria/

Nija, where did you leave off?  Did you get to 80?  Are you geared up?  Tell me what you WANT to do and I'll recommend a starting point.  One thing I recommend no matter your goal is doing the Daily/Monthly Achievements for the Laurel reward.  There are now a much larger variety of tasks to choose from so you can generally complete it by doing only things you want to do.  You can even just do 3 sPvP matches and get the daily Laurel that way.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Laurel

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Laurel_merchant


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on June 26, 2013, 02:15:55 AM
Liking this new dungeon a lot... definitely way better than the other dungeons, though Molten Facility was still better overall I think. The first boss is a definite pug-killer -- in my group, 3 people died ~15 seconds into phase 3 (with the slow lazers + fast lazers at the same time) and it took for-freaking-ever to kill the golems as a ranger (with perma-dead pet) and support-spec elementalist (basically I'd squeeze off a lava font + flame burst between all that running, and that was it). The fact that the golems kept changing direction and running into the walls even if we were kiting them properly didn't help, but I assume that was addressed in the hotfix. Also, the third 'run from zillions of AOE circles on the ground' cannon phase on the last boss is a killer... how long does it last, 3 minutes?!

I also dig what they did to staff elementalists. It felt very sluggish to play before, and all of the staple skills feel more responsive now with the reduced cast/aftercast times. Air attunement is still mostly crap for general use, but oh well!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on June 26, 2013, 03:49:56 AM
They gutted the ranger class. Long Bow is now bugged or broken, it's hitting for a lot less than it did before. Pets are also dying faster and their F2 skill is lucky if it activates at all :( This shits me as I had got to 15 agony resist on mine as a SB/LB P/P build.

They really need a trait that you can select to get rid of the fucking useless pet and boost the ranger's dps. I can't even imagine taking my ranger into a fractal now, so it's back to guardian or warrior for me or start levelling my ele or necro's fractal level


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on June 26, 2013, 09:07:22 AM
I took a little break and now am getting back into this again. EWSpider has a good point, I just logged in and continued on with where I left off and easily managed to do the Dragon Bash stuff. Now, looks like I have some reading to do with this new patch...

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Update


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nija on June 26, 2013, 05:00:59 PM
I have two 80s, a 65, a 55, and like 3 ~20-30 dudes.

One 80 is geared out entirely, the other one is halfway.

I'm just lost as to what to do "next" with the most geared guy.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: EWSpider on June 26, 2013, 07:56:42 PM
I have two 80s, a 65, a 55, and like 3 ~20-30 dudes.

One 80 is geared out entirely, the other one is halfway.

I'm just lost as to what to do "next" with the most geared guy.

Depends on what you like.  If you are more into the 5 man instanced PvE than it's all about the dungeons and Fractals.  Fractal guide:

http://www.guildwars2hub.com/guides/basics/complete-guide-fractals-mists
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Fractal

They basically have their own advancement mechanism with a new gear stat Agony.  The higher level you go the more Agony you need.

Does your 80 have all his Ascended accessories?  If not that is something to work towards and there are multiple ways to get most of them.

WvWvW is still a lot of fun if that's your cup of tea.  It now has World XP which you get for taking keeps, towers, supply camps, guard posts, repairing stuff, killing enemies, etc.  There are now Realm Levels similar to DAoC and you get titles and ability points which can be spent on passive abilities for w3.  The abilities don't affect player vs player (no power creep in that regard), but there are some nice minor boosts such as reduced damage from guards and boosts for using/defending siege weapons.

There are new Guild Missions now.  They are a lot of fun, but require you be in largish guild.  If you are on GoM I can recommend Indigo Plateau.  They do missions every Saturday and Sunday night at 9pm EST.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Guild_missions

The tokens you get from doing the missions can be used for a variety of nice rewards including some Ascended accessories:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Guild_Commendation_Trader


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on July 02, 2013, 09:20:32 AM
Still playing.  Between a demanding job, and a marriage and toddler who deserve most of my attention, this is the perfect game to play.  A few reasons:

1.  You don't have to group.  Just walk up to events or mobs, there's almost no worry of competing for loot. 

2.  You don't need ascended gear.  Exotics are cheap and do the job just fine.  Some of my toons have one or two pieces of ascended, but that's just because laurels stack up and you might as well spend them.  I have 80s with nothing but rare level gear and they do just fine in the open world or wvw.

3.  WvW.  It's exactly the kind of large scale pvp that some of us waited a long time for, and it works.  Jump in, run around for a short time or long time, not a lot of pressure involved.  Can be extremely fun with good commanders and enough players following directions.

4.  Dragon timers.  http://guildwarstemple.com/dragontimer/  This is the first thing I pull up if I'm about to log on.  Guaranteed rares and sometimes exotics.  With this and selling mats, I always have enough gold for my needs.  (needs:  expensive dyes, leveling alts through crafting)

5.  No raiding.  No multi-hour time commitments at a time unless you really want them. 

6.  Professions, combat, combo systems are fun and interesting.  I installed Rift last week and played for about 30 seconds.  The characters looked like the dudes from "Money For Nothing" in comparison.

The game is by no means perfect, and if I was a bachelor under house arrest I might be open to different games, but for now GW2 is my pick and has been since launch.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on July 02, 2013, 11:40:26 AM
Yep. I'm an old man with a kid and a mortgage and school and sudden writing gigs. I can't hit shit like I used to. This is great. I hooked up with a bunch of other old people. I know maybe four people by name, but whatever. They seem mostly okay, there are a lot of them for planned guild things, and it's fun in bursts.

You can buy things which achievement points soon. Stoked.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on July 03, 2013, 07:01:24 AM
I hooked up with a bunch of other old people. I know maybe four people by name, but whatever.

Not ToG (theoldergamers.com) by any chance? I've been with them on Yak's Bend for quite some time.

Working on alt #12 because I'm freaking mad. On the plus side, I scored 7 jade tickets - I more and one of my guardians will be fully kitted out with jade weapons (the other has full Asura T3 weapons :).


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on July 03, 2013, 09:09:46 AM
Yeah! That's me. I'm Brocktoon over there, usually on Meow Meow Nuggets or Ator.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on July 03, 2013, 09:15:56 AM

Heh, other ToG'ers. The relatively relaxed nature of ToG is a good match for this game.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on July 03, 2013, 09:29:25 AM
It really is. I'll not play for a couple weeks and then binge for one. Or drop in once every three days for a half hour at a time. And it's cool because whatever.

I don't really *know* anyone and that's a byproduct of not really needing to in order to accomplish things. That's a non-zero drawback to super casual games and play. But it's cool.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on July 03, 2013, 05:06:31 PM
I'll be damned. What's all this about an achievement system which actually gives you things for your points?

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/new-account-achievement-rewards-incoming/


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on July 03, 2013, 05:09:24 PM
If it is just gated unlocks, fine. Making the points "spendable" is a shitty idea, and I hope that's not how it works.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on July 03, 2013, 05:53:34 PM
Makes it sound like gated unlocks.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on July 03, 2013, 06:23:35 PM
I don't really *know* anyone and that's a byproduct of not really needing to in order to accomplish things. That's a non-zero drawback to super casual games and play. But it's cool.

Yep... but if I put a lot of time into a game I'd start learning names. I mostly Duo with my wife though (we're almost 100% map completion, so casual). Kageru on the account and mainly Khelessar in game.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on July 04, 2013, 03:40:26 AM
Oh nice, Other Toggers. I'm in Tyrian due to being on in the Aussie times. Usually on Dallith Bradley or Kira Chenco or Setanta (or any other of my 11 90s and 3 lowbies :D ).

Would you guys be Tyrian or Olden?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on July 04, 2013, 06:26:06 AM
hahaha: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/dungeons/Ranger-DPS-in-Dungeons/first

No idea if legit, but it made me laugh either way. TLDR: PvE rangers better off picking up warrior banners instead of using their own weapons.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on July 04, 2013, 07:16:00 AM
Oh nice, Other Toggers. I'm in Tyrian due to being on in the Aussie times. Usually on Dallith Bradley or Kira Chenco or Setanta (or any other of my 11 90s and 3 lowbies :D ).

Would you guys be Tyrian or Olden?

I.... don't know. I'm just in TOG. :D

New jumping puzzles is brutal. Camera and tight jumps made me motion sick. I still didn't finish it. :(


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on July 04, 2013, 08:14:04 PM
I gave up on it (made the mistake of going in there on my charr and norn).

Took the human mesmer in and then cheated and got people to port me up :)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on July 04, 2013, 09:17:09 PM
Well according to some datamined icons we are getting basketball.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on July 04, 2013, 11:39:11 PM
hahaha: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/dungeons/Ranger-DPS-in-Dungeons/first

No idea if legit, but it made me laugh either way. TLDR: PvE rangers better off picking up warrior banners instead of using their own weapons.  :why_so_serious:

The banners surprise me. The ele weapons don't, they do more damage than anyone's normal attacks since they're charge limited.

I'm curious how honest the banner thing is though, since it's just time limited IIRC. My ranger out damages my engineer and elementalist like there's no tomorrow, but I have no warrior or guardian to compare to what people are actually complaining about.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on July 05, 2013, 12:13:37 AM
Definitely not warrior and probably not guardian. Having said that, ranger is still in a very average place and the pet mechanism stinks to high heaven, but It's still fun (more fun than my engineer). There really needs to be a trait to remove the pet completely and give the ranger the lost DPS. I'm trying to play with axes but the shortbow still leaves them for dead. As soon as I can get some knight's gear together (currently I'm using berserker) I'm going to go back to GS/S/WH.

I'm currently levelling my second thief as a pistol/pistol & dagger/dagger build. It craps all over the second ranger I finished a few weeks ago in terms of being able to tear through mobs even as a "button 3" build


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Bzalthek on July 06, 2013, 08:19:07 PM
Once I get to the Ruins of Orr areas I just lose interest with all the Champions and clustered veterans.  It's like it becomes a different game which I don't much like =/


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on July 06, 2013, 10:24:41 PM

Yeah. A desolate wasteland crammed full of undead and poison might have sounded "cool" but it's not much fun in practice. Though I believe they did a pass through it and reduced mob density and some other things.

We're "vacationing" in Timberline falls, a very scenic region, to recharge before we go finish Orr off.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on July 07, 2013, 01:11:16 AM
I like Orr on all classes bar my thief and elementalist.

My rangers and guardians rip through it, warrior and FT Engineer face tank it, phantasm mesmers and condition necro melt faces. The thief sadly got smashed until I went Pistol/Pistol as did the ele until I went dagger/dagger pvp spec.

Mesmers: phantasm -> clone -> dodge clone ->shatter while circle strafing (condition removal is nice)
Necro: sceptre/dagger and staff strafe if not melted by the time they get to you (and 2 skills to lose conditions)
Warrior: burn them down fast and shout-heal, ignore vets unless they are in a clear space.
Engineer (flamethrower/elixir build) circle-strafe (which I hate as it's harder to get flames to hit than any other class) and face-tank. Elixir to remove conditions.
Rangers: melt them with longbow, strafe with shortbow (even with nerf) and use a southsun drake and a devourer (awesome little ranged tank the devourer is).
Guardians: GS and Hammer and lay down the law because guardians aren't OP at all.
Mage: melt with air stance and heal with water, fore for the ele.
Thief: Pistol/Pistol skill 3 ->  skill 3 ->  skill 3 -> loot. Daggers/heal etc for escape.

Southsun on the other hand is a pain especially with the vet/champ karka that pop up like godzilla on crack :D


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: EWSpider on July 07, 2013, 08:30:32 AM
Once I get to the Ruins of Orr areas I just lose interest with all the Champions and clustered veterans.  It's like it becomes a different game which I don't much like =/

I don't care for Orr either.  My Elementalist alt hit 80 without doing much in Orr.  I only went there for some of the personal story quests and didn't even finish those.  You're not missing much if you simply avoid it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Bzalthek on July 07, 2013, 08:37:45 AM
True but I'm a completionist whore.  I can't leave a zone until it's 100%. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on July 07, 2013, 07:05:22 PM

Thief: Pistol/Pistol skill 3 ->  skill 3 ->  skill 3 -> loot. Daggers/heal etc for escape.


With a thief you want sword/pistol, lay down a black powder and auto attack with the sword.  You are basically immune as the mobs are blind the whole time.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on July 07, 2013, 09:44:11 PM
True but I'm a completionist whore.  I can't leave a zone until it's 100%. 

Absolutely... but there's also some beautiful scenery oddly hidden away in the corners of the world they've built.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on July 08, 2013, 12:49:02 AM

Thief: Pistol/Pistol skill 3 ->  skill 3 ->  skill 3 -> loot. Daggers/heal etc for escape.


With a thief you want sword/pistol, lay down a black powder and auto attack with the sword.  You are basically immune as the mobs are blind the whole time.

Thanks, I'll give that a go.

On another note, I may have an issue with this game:

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~setanta/gw2/row1.jpg)

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~setanta/gw2/row2.jpg)

98% map completion on my oldest char, all 80s bar the Sylvari Ranger are in exotics, too many sets of T3 gear... yeah I have a problem.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Stokowski on July 08, 2013, 03:53:17 AM
(http://cdn.meme.li/instances/300x300/27627829.jpg)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on July 08, 2013, 08:30:10 AM
I'm not sure i get the point of multiple 80s of the same class, respeccing is damn near free.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on July 08, 2013, 10:59:00 AM
I'm not sure i get the point of multiple 80s of the same class, respeccing is damn near free.

I like levelling different classes and exploring the personal story. Then the OCD kicks in and I finish them.

I could respec, or I could just jump on the character specced/geared for the way I want to play... and play.

It's a combo of the two


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Furiously on July 09, 2013, 12:54:43 AM
Multiple 80's are also really nice for parking in places....


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on July 11, 2013, 11:33:53 AM
Reddit thread talking about how much people spend on this game. (http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1i2arl/how_is_anet_making_money/)  Whatever they are doing seems to be working for them to the point that they think its a good idea to do it harder i guess.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Furiously on July 12, 2013, 12:00:37 AM
I'm still reading or? as Orr....


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Numtini on July 12, 2013, 10:18:24 AM
Wow, I definitely underestimated how much people were putting in. Maybe it's that I'm not at the top level or even in the next state over, but I just didn't see all that much to buy in the cash shop. Like I love little pets, but the things don't stay out and if I'm coughing up money, I want it to stay out and I want to choose what tiny critter I'm getting for my $$. Likewise the costume selection is good, but you can't wear it outside the city so who cares.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on July 12, 2013, 10:31:35 AM
I don't think people spend that much in the cash shop, they buy gems to turn into gold.  Ten bucks gets you around 30 gold atm, which is more than i've ever had.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on July 12, 2013, 01:22:23 PM
Yeah that has to be it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on July 12, 2013, 10:05:41 PM
I wish I'd bought more molten picks. They aren't justifiable in terms of economy but for convenience they rock (I only bought 2). On the other hand, I will probably deck out all my characters with the saw - or at least one from each class. Bank slots and character slots I have bought but bag slots - the characters have to earn the gold for them :)

I also bought an aether medium set of skins (can be worn outside) for my second engineer. Originally I bought the medium and heavy skin set and later the haloween costume - because it's functional as well as fun. I do buy XP, Karma and MF boosts if I run out - haven't done that in a long time though. Also the 80-80 transmog gems (but the lower level ones I have over 70 of due to zone completions). Gold is a necessity as I don't want to grind it (and I dump all my earned gold into T3 skins) so I buy a little now and then for exotics if I don't get decent drops. I bought a MF set of exotics and with food etc, I don't need to convert gems to gold as much. But as a starting point it was great :)

I ditched all my subscription games so I don't mind buying from the shop.

I don't buy vanity pets anymore, I'm over them. Likewise dyes, they are cheaper on the market individually. I refuse to buy the RNG chests but from the last content release I got 9 jade tickets (decked out my human guardian with all jade weapons) and so far have 2 sun-catchers and a helm.

I have a feeling the gem store is a great model to follow.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on July 13, 2013, 02:40:29 AM
I hit max level in this game finally! Twice! Level 80 thief and level 80 guardian! Both of whom I immediately dropped upon hitting 80 because ugh I cannot be bothered to gear them up (yet). Next up is my elementalist! He's 63 or something.


PS: Setana, your little level 6 dude is hot.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on July 13, 2013, 05:14:19 AM
lol - got him to 11 to wear the shoulders :D


I even like the original colours - just needs a Captain America shield and pistol... which he can wear because he's an engineer :)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on July 13, 2013, 08:23:35 AM
I hit max level in this game finally! Twice! Level 80 thief and level 80 guardian! Both of whom I immediately dropped upon hitting 80 because ugh I cannot be bothered to gear them up (yet). Next up is my elementalist! He's 63 or something.
My 80 Necro has been running around in level 60-ish gear for months.  I only upgraded to exotics last week after deciding to drink a million karma in potions.  There's no reason to stop playing them if you find them fun.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on July 13, 2013, 08:53:57 AM
What's T3 skins?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on July 13, 2013, 09:26:28 AM
What's T3 skins?

Tier 3 Cultural Gear. Can't say I've ever bought them for the stats, just the skin


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on July 13, 2013, 05:21:19 PM
Their price/stat stuff on gear is completely out of whack. It is far easier to earn the 44k karma to get an exotic piece from Orr than it is to get the gold for a T3 piece that only has rare stats.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on July 13, 2013, 06:33:49 PM
Isn't that cultural stuff just prestige looks though?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on July 13, 2013, 07:55:11 PM
Ingmar: Agreed, but I don't find it hard to make gold - usually a minimum of 5 a night just playing and selling off drops/salvages.

My 2nd Guardian has full T3 Heavy (skin only not stats) plus a full complement of T3 weapons from Karma. Getting the weapons was faster.
My original guardian runs full Orrian Karma gear (skins not stats) plus full jade weapons (other than water). The Orrian gear was faster to get than the 5 pieces of Charr T3 that my warrior has or the 5 pieces of Norn T3 my ranger has.

Karma is fast and easy, you really just have to play and it rains down on you which is why my second mesmer is using full T3 Asura weapons. Having said that, getting her into light T3 was easy because I had a good run of exotics dropping along with selling SAB items at just the right time. I have a greatsaw skin from Halloween tucked away for a rainy day but I am really tempted to use it myself. This one bugs me a bit, I could sell it and exchange the gold for gems or pretties... but I know I'd regret it.

When it comes to buying things from the store is where I baulk. Gold for gems is a lousy return. I could spend a couple of days getting gold together, or I could just use what equates to 20 minutes of real work and pony up cash. So for me it comes down to in-game earn gold and wait and gem-store spend cash and enjoy.

What's really sad is I think Blizzard missed the boat with this one. I have a feeling I've willingly spent more on GW2 than I begrudgingly paid as a sub to WoW, even without doing massive gem->cash transactions. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on July 13, 2013, 07:59:01 PM
Their price/stat stuff on gear is completely out of whack. It is far easier to earn the 44k karma to get an exotic piece from Orr than it is to get the gold for a T3 piece that only has rare stats.

You can get a full set of max stat exotic gear faster than you get the 44k karma too, the point of the cultural gear is looks.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on July 13, 2013, 11:19:31 PM
Cultural gear is basically elite armor from GW1. Ridiculously expensive and something most people don't bother with unless they're crazy rich... or GW3 is announced with a similar GW2->3 reward program as the HOM.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on July 14, 2013, 02:12:17 AM

Was messing around in Orr (so ugly) and ran into a big group doing the gates of Orr event. Somewhere in the middle, unable to see my character given all the effects, getting randomly ganked when I got the champions attention (cause having "tanks" makes these encounters boring). The main tactic was a lot of running around circles, rezzing others or a stream of people running back from the nearest port.

I adore the GW2 levelling experience, but the end-game... urgh.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Bzalthek on July 14, 2013, 08:31:44 PM
I have found that toughness/armor is very attractive to mobs.  Makes you tasty.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on July 15, 2013, 11:11:59 PM
lol - got him to 11 to wear the shoulders :D


I even like the original colours - just needs a Captain America shield and pistol... which he can wear because he's an engineer :)

Rawr.


My elementalist is 77 or so now, turns out I really heart dagger/dagger for PvE. In WvW I've been lugging around a staff, though, and enjoying myself more than I expected, even though sometimes I have some mid/igraine flashbacks (I laughed at the "outnumbered" buff. Extra XP? Gosh, that makes it all worth it!). It's not really as bad as then, of course, we have more than 8 people in one place and no one is whining about how we're zerging.  :why_so_serious:

Once he bangs up to 80 I'll probably level my warrior or hunter. Need to ride this random whim while I can!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on July 16, 2013, 03:34:31 AM
Both Ranger and Warrior are fun to level. My second ranger got to 80 in a few  days and I've just started my second warrior and elementalist. I've found that ignoring all the build advice is easiest, I'm just playing this warrior as sword/ace & GS and the ele as dagger dagger (which is what my 80 ele is for everything bar fractals).

So far I need to level:
Warrior 10-->80
Ele 11->80
Thief 41->80
Necro 0->80

and that will give me 2 80s in every class. Of them, the necro will level the fastest followed by the warrior. This time I'm levelling my Necro as a condition build - screw the pet build I used last time that led me to shelve the necro for a month.

I've hit the point where the fragility of the thief class hurts in PvE (as opposed to the fun I have as a glass cannon in PvP 80)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on July 17, 2013, 04:25:32 PM
Elementalist hit 80 during WvW last night, I guess I'll probably try leveling my 20-something warrior next.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on July 17, 2013, 04:43:18 PM
People have some horrible fashion sense.  No, you don't have to wear tentacles or wings just cause you have them, specially if the rest of your outfit looks like a ninja.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on July 17, 2013, 05:04:26 PM
YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME!  :why_so_serious:



I followed Sjofn into WvW last night, my Ranger was ass in just about every way I expected it to be. Everything I do is easily ignored or just flat out dead 70-80% of the time, hurrah!  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: EWSpider on July 17, 2013, 08:25:25 PM
YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME!  :why_so_serious:

I followed Sjofn into WvW last night, my Ranger was ass in just about every way I expected it to be. Everything I do is easily ignored or just flat out dead 70-80% of the time, hurrah!  :oh_i_see:

Bunker Rangers are one of the strongest classes in pvp right now.  I'm not an expert on them myself, but I know I lose to them quite often!  They're usually S/D and best I can tell something along the lines of 0/0/30/20/20.  If you are interested in more details I can dig deeper.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on July 17, 2013, 09:50:45 PM
YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME!  :why_so_serious:

I followed Sjofn into WvW last night, my Ranger was ass in just about every way I expected it to be. Everything I do is easily ignored or just flat out dead 70-80% of the time, hurrah!  :oh_i_see:

Bunker Rangers are one of the strongest classes in pvp right now.  I'm not an expert on them myself, but I know I lose to them quite often!  They're usually S/D and best I can tell something along the lines of 0/0/30/20/20.  If you are interested in more details I can dig deeper.

Do you mean PVP PVP, or WvW PVP?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: EWSpider on July 17, 2013, 10:53:28 PM
YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME!  :why_so_serious:

I followed Sjofn into WvW last night, my Ranger was ass in just about every way I expected it to be. Everything I do is easily ignored or just flat out dead 70-80% of the time, hurrah!  :oh_i_see:

Bunker Rangers are one of the strongest classes in pvp right now.  I'm not an expert on them myself, but I know I lose to them quite often!  They're usually S/D and best I can tell something along the lines of 0/0/30/20/20.  If you are interested in more details I can dig deeper.

Do you mean PVP PVP, or WvW PVP?

Bunker spec classes shine a bit more in sPvP/tPvP because of the mechanics (capture a point and sit your ass there daring someone to take it from you), but they can also be quite effective in WvW.  I went through the whole process with an Engineer I just leveled to 80.  My inclination was to spec more offensively and try to play that way, but I kept getting destroyed.  As soon as I shifted to a defense first mind set I started doing very well in all 3 forms of pvp.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on July 18, 2013, 02:07:01 AM
Whatever wisdom you have available, feel free to lay it on me, because what I'm currently doing just ain't workin.


I can't even hit people with my freaking arrows half the time. They can twitch away, but I can't seem to lead my shots in return.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on July 18, 2013, 02:32:57 AM
I play a P/P ranger in GW2 when I need lols. Even with the range nerf Shortbow is good for crippling and Longbow is viable with the (slight) buffs it got. Stay with the pack, rain arrows down to debuff run speed, nuke every time it's available. It's a newbie build but with a drake or devourer it can be fun, especially if you are in a base and the enemy builds within your traited longbow range.

Sadly, every other class feels more viable. No stupid pet mechanics (with gimped pets) and the most fun I have is to jump in on one of my guardians, strapping on a GS and Hammer and wading into a pack knowing that theere's a good chance I'll back out alive.

So there's my advice - save your ranger for PvE (they are actually fun in fractals once you realise that your pet IS going to die) and roll another class... any class.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on July 18, 2013, 04:17:39 AM

You can generalize that. Don't ever play a pet or DoT class because they almost always get screwed over. Doubly so in PvP where encounters tend to be short and sharp. Been that way in pretty much every MMO I've ever played.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: EWSpider on July 18, 2013, 10:45:39 AM
DoTs are king in GW2 right now.  The current meta is all Condition Damage.  Fear bombing Condition Necros are the most powerful build/class right now and Rangers/Engineers can do much the same though not nearly as effectively as a Necro.  Pets still stink in zerg fights because of all the AoE, but are very strong in small scale fights.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Maledict on July 18, 2013, 12:05:48 PM

You can generalize that. Don't ever play a pet or DoT class because they almost always get screwed over. Doubly so in PvP where encounters tend to be short and sharp. Been that way in pretty much every MMO I've ever played.


Pet classes are almost always overpowered for soloing content and single player stuff on the other hand.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on July 18, 2013, 03:27:50 PM
The thing I find sort of disorienting coming from SWTOR is how fast all the fights are in WvW. One zerg will crash into the other and it's over in what feels like seconds, it's really weird. That's why I've been sticking with the elementalist, I lay down fields and hope they're useful to SOMEONE and try not to die immediately, basically.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: EWSpider on July 18, 2013, 07:21:08 PM
This isn't quite the Ranger build I was thinking of, but it's close and supposedly one of the most effective builds currently.  This thread talks about it in-depth:

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/ranger/My-Spirit-Build

(and just as a side not I'm in no way saying Rangers are in a good place overall, just that they have some effective builds you can run in the meantime)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on July 19, 2013, 06:15:25 AM
I tried that build out and I just don't see the appeal in WvW. All the spirits and shit, just got SPLAT once an actual fight starts.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on July 22, 2013, 02:51:11 AM
I went a total noobler build on the ranger now, 30 power, 30 toughness, 10 Vitality. Using that signet trait that lets them work on me too, arrow piercing, some + dmg thing and like every single defensive trait I have access too. All my gear is Power/Tough/Vit now too. Using Longbow/Greatsword and 2 Lizard pets. The lizard pets are almost as survivable as bears, but they actually do shit too, blast finishers and junk.


I can hump the friendly zerg reasonably well now, but I really really wish I could get the longbow range talent too somehow. I also have this talent that when I get stunned I turn invisible for 5 seconds (30 sec cd), this has saved my ass numerous times.

I think eventually, I might be able to move some points around so I can get a little crit too, maybe even get the longbow reduction thing, dunno.


I'm also having an easier time of things simply because Jade Quarry dropped down from T1 to T2, and the T2 servers are T2 for a reason it seems. They are soooo skittish! It's almost adorable. The T1 match up from last week, all 3 groups are just hyper aggressive. Outnumbered 2:1? Fuck it! BALLS DEEP BABY  :drill: . These guys, they see anything close to even numbers and just flee and flee and flee until they either find a base to hide in (which we take like half the time anyways), or we run them down in a corner.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on July 22, 2013, 03:16:44 AM
I went a total noobler build on the ranger now, 30 power, 30 toughness, 10 Vitality. Using that signet trait that lets them work on me too, arrow piercing, some + dmg thing and like every single defensive trait I have access too. All my gear is Power/Tough/Vit now too. Using Longbow/Greatsword and 2 Lizard pets. The lizard pets are almost as survivable as bears, but they actually do shit too, blast finishers and junk.


I can hump the friendly zerg reasonably well now, but I really really wish I could get the longbow range talent too somehow. I also have this talent that when I get stunned I turn invisible for 5 seconds (30 sec cd), this has saved my ass numerous times.

I think eventually, I might be able to move some points around so I can get a little crit too, maybe even get the longbow reduction thing, dunno.


I'm also having an easier time of things simply because Jade Quarry dropped down from T1 to T2, and the T2 servers are T2 for a reason it seems. They are soooo skittish! It's almost adorable. The T1 match up from last week, all 3 groups are just hyper aggressive. Outnumbered 2:1? Fuck it! BALLS DEEP BABY  :drill: . These guys, they see anything close to even numbers and just flee and flee and flee until they either find a base to hide in (which we take like half the time anyways), or we run them down in a corner.
As a TC resident, I like being in T2 thankyouverymuch. :p

T2 is low-pressure 'hop on, hop off' zerg-friendly wvw, basically. There is some 'super serious elite pvp guilds' doing small group stuff sometimes, maybe... but I don't bother with that stuff. T1 seems to be all super-fucking-serious-business all the time, from vnboards-style forum trash talk to spies to 100% coverage and all-nighters to people willing to wait x hours in queue just to get in. TC also has no queues for anything (except maybe EB on reset night), which is nice. We do have good commanders, and at least our militia is smart enough to know how to stack, when to engage and when to run (gotta get those loot bags), etc... which is good enough for tier2, considering that we also have a ton of people from RP guilds and/or upleveled people running around doing stupid stuff!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on July 22, 2013, 04:03:17 AM
I just go wherever the pin tells me to go, it's easy! There's no queue for any of the Border lands unless there's a mass rally to save a garrison or something.

I do need to install team speak just so I can hear which waypoint to go to next faster, sometimes the chat relay is behind a few ticks and I spend a few moments wondering where the pin went. Isn't REALLY necessary though. Follow the pin, stack on the pin, fight with the pin, do not fear death the stack will keep you alive. Don't drop siege with the pin and don't take supply from the forts unless the pin calls it out.

We have a wide variety of Cat Herders and Den Mothers, lots of patience and inclusiveness. I ask questions/directions and get answers without any grief. If I see badguys, I say where and how many and get praised.


Really the biggest problem I come across is when I hit a map and there isn't a pin up. Then it's just a random crap shoot with people useless scattered all over. Like dirty fucking albs! IEW!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on July 22, 2013, 09:22:12 AM
Wait, JQ finally went to T2?

Fuck, I need to log in and finish my world explore on the Ele. My issue with it was always that T1 was so aggressive and hyper competitive that being out there getting POIs felt like actively hurting THE REALM.

If we're just in the shits and grins tier that WvWs for fun instead of HONOR.. woo!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on July 22, 2013, 12:58:13 PM
It isn't going to last so work fast.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Pendan on July 22, 2013, 02:53:04 PM
The tier your server is for a week is now randomly chosen to be adjusted up or down 1 position. Jade Quarry is still the 3rd ranked server they just get to beat up the 4th and 6th ranked servers this week. Meanwhile poor Dragonbrand that is only 5th ranked got randomly chosen to be in T1. Even though they are in third place right nowin T1 they actually gaining ranking points for putting in a good show. In fact they are gaining nearly 45 points while JQ easily winning the T2 matching is only gaining 1.2 points.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on July 22, 2013, 04:14:48 PM
Jade Quarry is in a weird spot right now WvW-wise, I think, because we are clearly just way more GRRRRRR than the T2 people we're up against this week, but we don't have the coverage (or WvW population, it feels like) that SoR and BG have, so they (from what I saw) crap all over us. Basically when we're in T1, I have Mid/Igraine flashbacks, when we're in T2, we are suddenly Mid/Percival.

I find the board trash talk funny, it's very nostalgic. SoR accusing BG and JQ working together last week was my favorite, although I am enjoying that BG is beating the fuck out of SoR this week without JQ around to distract them (especially since apparently JQ has a ridiculous SEA presence, complete with a commander whose name BG and SoR players use to frighten their children into being good). And of course the thread for this week's match up is sort of cute, it starts out with all three servers being very excited for the coming week and then TC and FA sort of losing their enthusiasm, in part because of that aforementioned insane commander.

But yeah Kild if you want those POIs and stuff, this is the week to do it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on July 23, 2013, 01:00:12 AM
Tonight was fun, the other two servers turned our garrison into swiss cheese! One was breaking the west, the other the east/south and we had no time to actually retake anything to resupply. Wipe one side and then move immediately to the other one.

We finally cleared everything out and went to retake a tower, but somehow didn't leave any eyeballs in the garry and gifted someone a empty throneroom.  :why_so_serious:

Took like 30 minutes to take it back in the end!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on July 23, 2013, 11:31:41 AM
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/july-23-content-release-notes/

Patch notes up.

Also: Rangers are absolutely silly in keep defense. I'm sure everyone already knew that, but still.

I also didn't see many necros out and about last night, which struck me a really odd. Rangers, Guardians and Warriors all the way down.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on July 23, 2013, 03:27:35 PM
My main enemy in keep taking are those goddamn arrow carts. And MAN, do the other two servers love them some arrow carts.

Staff elementalist is pretty fun in WvW. Lay down my fields, run around crying for a little bit, collect loot bags.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on July 24, 2013, 12:06:54 AM
Yep. I like to switch between staff for sieges (meteor shower can hit way-out-of-LOS siege, which is nice) / zerginess and scepter/dagger for smaller groups / soloing... s/d is pretty decent with the last patch, and can burst shit down like whoa. I wouldn't take it in a zerg, though, as 900 range is Definitely Not Enough  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Shatter on July 25, 2013, 10:37:24 PM
Well I logged back in after 6 months away to see how things looked.  First I noticed there was almost no one in Orr, there used to be tons of people farming there and now its dead.  So I did some event farming for a bit and noticed I had over 100K karma so I hit a few vendors and there was nothing to spend it on I didn't already have or wanted since 6 months ago.  I noticed this 4500 karma box so I purchased up a bunch and got jack shit out of all of them...gg.  So Karma still appears useless.  Did a few world bosses, got junk.  So, I guess in summary nothing much has changed unless you like doing puzzles and shit?  Are the populations so low now that you can't do any of the big events?  I went to about 10 events that can't be soloed and no one came to any of them, just NPC's standing there or bosses waiting to go and no one cares to do them.  Went to lower level areas and saw same thing everywhere I went.  So I decided my only end game fun as a solo player will be to farm money somehow, anyone have any suggestions?  Crafting or farming mats to sell or something?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Furiously on July 25, 2013, 11:11:55 PM
What server are you on?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on July 26, 2013, 01:00:20 AM
Populations aren't low as much as the reward structures changed a bunch. So the population congregates near the revamped reward events.

Basically, major events give you a rare all the time once per day per account. This means dragons, and pretty much anything that results in a Splendid or Grand chest spawning. So you can always find people in Harathi doing the centaur chain, or watching the timers and showing up for Orr temples (and absolutely nothing else, which means half the time the temples aren't even up)

It's basically a direct result of the reward changes punishing repeatedly farming the same event and really only buffing certain events. So everyone who is farming goes to the easiest and fastest chains. Nothing in Orr is nearly as brain dead easy as things like Harathi or the Ice Worm thingy in snowland.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on July 26, 2013, 02:29:16 AM
Karma can be spent at the Orrian Temples - if they are uncontested - for some nice armour - I think I spent 60K a piece on the heavy set.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Phred on July 26, 2013, 02:34:48 AM
So I havent played in quite a while and logged in to see how badly they fucked up the ranger. Pretty bad. I notice since they added the stealth on longbow pet agro seems to have been diminished considerably. I know my pet didnt used to have anywhere near the problem holding agro last time I played which effectively makes the solo pve for rangers worse than ever. I guess that is to justify putting an agro dump on longbow but doesn't help the shortbow in the slightest. Any urge I had to start playing has evaporated.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on July 26, 2013, 05:07:38 AM
Well I logged back in after 6 months away to see how things looked.  First I noticed there was almost no one in Orr, there used to be tons of people farming there and now its dead.

Soon as I finish with Orr I'm certainly never going back, what an ugly and depressing set of zones. Try the new event zone or Southsun Cove (if you need mobs that are more end-game than Orr).


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Shatter on July 26, 2013, 05:33:10 AM
What server are you on?
Henge of Denravi.  I even asked in chat where I would find people and the answer was go do the event  :facepalm:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on July 26, 2013, 09:39:10 AM
Well I logged back in after 6 months away to see how things looked.  First I noticed there was almost no one in Orr, there used to be tons of people farming there and now its dead.  So I did some event farming for a bit and noticed I had over 100K karma so I hit a few vendors and there was nothing to spend it on I didn't already have or wanted since 6 months ago.  I noticed this 4500 karma box so I purchased up a bunch and got jack shit out of all of them...gg.  So Karma still appears useless.  Did a few world bosses, got junk.  So, I guess in summary nothing much has changed unless you like doing puzzles and shit?  Are the populations so low now that you can't do any of the big events?  I went to about 10 events that can't be soloed and no one came to any of them, just NPC's standing there or bosses waiting to go and no one cares to do them.  Went to lower level areas and saw same thing everywhere I went.  So I decided my only end game fun as a solo player will be to farm money somehow, anyone have any suggestions?  Crafting or farming mats to sell or something?

Or you could have asked and we could have told you to do none of those things... You can still get exotic gear from karma, several different sets, you just didn't know where to look.  Orr is not where farming is done, world bosses drop loot like candy now including a bonus chest with a guaranteed yellow/orange each. End game is still either finding something you enjoy doing from dungeons/pvp/exploring and doing it or playing pretty princess dress up which generally involves one or all of the above.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on July 26, 2013, 10:47:32 AM
So I havent played in quite a while and logged in to see how badly they fucked up the ranger. Pretty bad. I notice since they added the stealth on longbow pet agro seems to have been diminished considerably. I know my pet didnt used to have anywhere near the problem holding agro last time I played which effectively makes the solo pve for rangers worse than ever. I guess that is to justify putting an agro dump on longbow but doesn't help the shortbow in the slightest. Any urge I had to start playing has evaporated.


Rangers are kind of awesome at the moment. It's really strange.

That said: pet aggro and aggro in general is heavily proximity based. Short Bow's aggro issues are tied mostly to the range reduction. If you're at 1400 or so range with a long bow and send your pet in you should be good to go for a while with threat. My experience though is that I rarely want my pet holding aggro and it's just easier to go whack things with a sword in pve and use a dps pet.

About my only ranger complaint right now is that MH Sword #1 is still the single most aggravating attack chain in the entire game and basically makes the game unplayable to try and use without turning off autoattacks and basically fighting with the interface instead of your target.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on July 26, 2013, 01:01:59 PM
Well I logged back in after 6 months away to see how things looked.  First I noticed there was almost no one in Orr, there used to be tons of people farming there and now its dead.  So I did some event farming for a bit and noticed I had over 100K karma so I hit a few vendors and there was nothing to spend it on I didn't already have or wanted since 6 months ago.  I noticed this 4500 karma box so I purchased up a bunch and got jack shit out of all of them...gg.  So Karma still appears useless.  Did a few world bosses, got junk.  So, I guess in summary nothing much has changed unless you like doing puzzles and shit?  Are the populations so low now that you can't do any of the big events?  I went to about 10 events that can't be soloed and no one came to any of them, just NPC's standing there or bosses waiting to go and no one cares to do them.  Went to lower level areas and saw same thing everywhere I went.  So I decided my only end game fun as a solo player will be to farm money somehow, anyone have any suggestions?  Crafting or farming mats to sell or something?

Or you could have asked and we could have told you to do none of those things... You can still get exotic gear from karma, several different sets, you just didn't know where to look.  Orr is not where farming is done, world bosses drop loot like candy now including a bonus chest with a guaranteed yellow/orange each. End game is still either finding something you enjoy doing from dungeons/pvp/exploring and doing it or playing pretty princess dress up which generally involves one or all of the above.

If he was buying the exotic treasure box thing, he was looking at a vendor with the real exotic gear. I'm guessing he already is exotic'ed out; the random treasure box and exotic back items (maybe the jewelry? I crafted mine way back when) are really the only new things they added to the karma vendors that I've noticed.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Phred on July 26, 2013, 01:19:27 PM

Rangers are kind of awesome at the moment. It's really strange.

 My experience though is that I rarely want my pet holding aggro and it's just easier to go whack things with a sword in pve and use a dps pet.

About my only ranger complaint right now is that MH Sword #1 is still the single most aggravating attack chain in the entire game and basically makes the game unplayable to try and use without turning off autoattacks and basically fighting with the interface instead of your target.

Ya that sounds completely awesome all right. A playstyle I enjoyed is eliminated and substituted by an aggravating, unplayable style.
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You might want to check the definition of awesome btw.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on July 26, 2013, 02:43:35 PM
Or you could switch to longbow, if your "playstyle" is "hide behind my pet and cry."

I hated shortbow immediately when I tried it, though. I haven't touched one since release.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Shatter on July 26, 2013, 03:12:25 PM
Well I logged back in after 6 months away to see how things looked.  First I noticed there was almost no one in Orr, there used to be tons of people farming there and now its dead.  So I did some event farming for a bit and noticed I had over 100K karma so I hit a few vendors and there was nothing to spend it on I didn't already have or wanted since 6 months ago.  I noticed this 4500 karma box so I purchased up a bunch and got jack shit out of all of them...gg.  So Karma still appears useless.  Did a few world bosses, got junk.  So, I guess in summary nothing much has changed unless you like doing puzzles and shit?  Are the populations so low now that you can't do any of the big events?  I went to about 10 events that can't be soloed and no one came to any of them, just NPC's standing there or bosses waiting to go and no one cares to do them.  Went to lower level areas and saw same thing everywhere I went.  So I decided my only end game fun as a solo player will be to farm money somehow, anyone have any suggestions?  Crafting or farming mats to sell or something?

Or you could have asked and we could have told you to do none of those things... You can still get exotic gear from karma, several different sets, you just didn't know where to look.  Orr is not where farming is done, world bosses drop loot like candy now including a bonus chest with a guaranteed yellow/orange each. End game is still either finding something you enjoy doing from dungeons/pvp/exploring and doing it or playing pretty princess dress up which generally involves one or all of the above.

If he was buying the exotic treasure box thing, he was looking at a vendor with the real exotic gear. I'm guessing he already is exotic'ed out; the random treasure box and exotic back items (maybe the jewelry? I crafted mine way back when) are really the only new things they added to the karma vendors that I've noticed.
Yep this, I know where the vendors are and I have all the karma gear I need from 6 months ago, there didn't seem to be anything else to spend it on so I went with the boxes which are useless.  Thought maybe I was missing something but doesn't sound like it.  Sounds like boss chasing is the way to go I guess


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on July 26, 2013, 05:59:23 PM

They've got some weird and poorly designed proliferation of tokens. The Karma for temple armor hasn't changed much but they've added all sorts of even tokens, daily tokens (laurels), guild tokens, PvP tokens. They've even put rewards on achievement points.

But with a flat power curve most of them seem to be a path to cosmetics or things of the same power. If you wanted significant progression past temple armor you might be playing the wrong game.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Shatter on July 26, 2013, 07:25:55 PM

They've got some weird and poorly designed proliferation of tokens. The Karma for temple armor hasn't changed much but they've added all sorts of even tokens, daily tokens (laurels), guild tokens, PvP tokens. They've even put rewards on achievement points.

But with a flat power curve most of them seem to be a path to cosmetics or things of the same power. If you wanted significant progression past temple armor you might be playing the wrong game.


Half right, I don't need significant progression but I do like to feel like I accomplished something at the end of the day.  I want to focus on making money in GW2 I think solo(I have to play solo cause I have a 2 year old and 5 year old so I can be pulled away anytime, hence why I play solo) so any tips on best ways to do that are appreciated.  I haven't done much crafting wise, are there some crafting mats I can farm or a crafting prof that works best?  Farming seems like a pretty slow way to try and make it at this point.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Phred on July 26, 2013, 08:21:01 PM
Or you could switch to longbow, if your "playstyle" is "hide behind my pet and cry."

I hated shortbow immediately when I tried it, though. I haven't touched one since release.

I actually used a longbow until they messed with it. I'd rather not play. Game's not much fun now anyway.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: EWSpider on July 26, 2013, 09:47:54 PM

They've got some weird and poorly designed proliferation of tokens. The Karma for temple armor hasn't changed much but they've added all sorts of even tokens, daily tokens (laurels), guild tokens, PvP tokens. They've even put rewards on achievement points.

But with a flat power curve most of them seem to be a path to cosmetics or things of the same power. If you wanted significant progression past temple armor you might be playing the wrong game.


Half right, I don't need significant progression but I do like to feel like I accomplished something at the end of the day.  I want to focus on making money in GW2 I think solo(I have to play solo cause I have a 2 year old and 5 year old so I can be pulled away anytime, hence why I play solo) so any tips on best ways to do that are appreciated.  I haven't done much crafting wise, are there some crafting mats I can farm or a crafting prof that works best?  Farming seems like a pretty slow way to try and make it at this point.

The best way to make money is to run dungeons.  The most efficient dungeon path is Citadel of Flame Path 1.  You can get speed farming groups that will run that path over and over for an hour or two at a time.  Although most of those hardcore groups will only take a Mesmer and zerker Warriors.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on July 27, 2013, 12:32:55 PM

They've got some weird and poorly designed proliferation of tokens. The Karma for temple armor hasn't changed much but they've added all sorts of even tokens, daily tokens (laurels), guild tokens, PvP tokens. They've even put rewards on achievement points.

But with a flat power curve most of them seem to be a path to cosmetics or things of the same power. If you wanted significant progression past temple armor you might be playing the wrong game.


Half right, I don't need significant progression but I do like to feel like I accomplished something at the end of the day.  I want to focus on making money in GW2 I think solo(I have to play solo cause I have a 2 year old and 5 year old so I can be pulled away anytime, hence why I play solo) so any tips on best ways to do that are appreciated.  I haven't done much crafting wise, are there some crafting mats I can farm or a crafting prof that works best?  Farming seems like a pretty slow way to try and make it at this point.

Farming events is pretty decent money, just open up an event timer for your server and hop around as needed. The money is in using high end salvage kits on the rares and exotics you get and selling those mats.

Dungeons are awesome money, but require you to be able to dedicate some time to them which is out of scope for your stated requirements.

World complete also gives a chunk of change, I think I wound up around 20-30 gold stockpiled just from all the shit I picked up and zone rewards while doing map complete stuff on my Elementalist.

Gaining money for money's sake probably isn't an ideal goal in GW2 though. To really enjoy it you need to pick goals (like I want X cosmetic armor set) and find a path to accomplish that given your playstyle.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on July 27, 2013, 12:51:04 PM
I'm not sure you should salvage exotics, they sell for gold.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on July 27, 2013, 01:25:45 PM
I'm not sure you should salvage exotics, they sell for gold.

Depending on the stats. Glance at them on the exchange before salvaging them. But a number of them are only worth a bit because they're just orb fodder.

Valk/Zerker and other high value stats or a good rune = sell it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Shatter on July 27, 2013, 05:53:38 PM

They've got some weird and poorly designed proliferation of tokens. The Karma for temple armor hasn't changed much but they've added all sorts of even tokens, daily tokens (laurels), guild tokens, PvP tokens. They've even put rewards on achievement points.

But with a flat power curve most of them seem to be a path to cosmetics or things of the same power. If you wanted significant progression past temple armor you might be playing the wrong game.


Half right, I don't need significant progression but I do like to feel like I accomplished something at the end of the day.  I want to focus on making money in GW2 I think solo(I have to play solo cause I have a 2 year old and 5 year old so I can be pulled away anytime, hence why I play solo) so any tips on best ways to do that are appreciated.  I haven't done much crafting wise, are there some crafting mats I can farm or a crafting prof that works best?  Farming seems like a pretty slow way to try and make it at this point.

Farming events is pretty decent money, just open up an event timer for your server and hop around as needed. The money is in using high end salvage kits on the rares and exotics you get and selling those mats.

Dungeons are awesome money, but require you to be able to dedicate some time to them which is out of scope for your stated requirements.

World complete also gives a chunk of change, I think I wound up around 20-30 gold stockpiled just from all the shit I picked up and zone rewards while doing map complete stuff on my Elementalist.

Gaining money for money's sake probably isn't an ideal goal in GW2 though. To really enjoy it you need to pick goals (like I want X cosmetic armor set) and find a path to accomplish that given your playstyle.

Thanks, the goal would be to buy a Legendary which I believe you can do, since I don't have the time to do everything required to "earn it" I can farm over time and buy it eventually which would be the reason I am looking for ways to make cash over time. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on July 27, 2013, 06:33:34 PM

I looked at the legendary grind... and that was about as far as I got.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on July 27, 2013, 09:42:23 PM
To answer the question in the OP, the game seems to be doing quite well. (http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1j6bkv/interesting_figures_about_guild_wars_2_from_the/)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on July 28, 2013, 02:06:44 AM
I seriously fucking hate that you can twitch your way out of projectiles, but can't lead your shots and need a target yourself to actually 'aim'.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Torinak on July 28, 2013, 09:29:29 PM
I seriously fucking hate that you can twitch your way out of projectiles, but can't lead your shots and need a target yourself to actually 'aim'.

You don't have to be targeting something to hit it with a projectile. You can lead a moving target and hit it with a projectile, without ever targeting it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on July 30, 2013, 12:37:37 PM
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/august-06-2013/

You can ignore that entire page, and skip to one line:

Quote
Account Wallet for Currency
Keep all of your currencies in one easy-to-find location! This Wallet holds dungeon tokens, coins, karma, laurels, Guild Commendations, Fractal Relics, Badges of Honor, gems, and glory and makes them accessible to any character on your account. Upon logging in with each unique character for the first time after the Wallet has gone live, that character will have all of their currencies deposited into the account-wide collection.

50/50 on shared money just because. But tokens out of the bank? Fuck yes.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on July 30, 2013, 01:10:12 PM
More importantly than 'where do I keep these tokens,' making laurels and karma account-wide is a big deal.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on July 30, 2013, 02:29:32 PM
Laurels already were, I am pretty sure? Account-wide karma is good, I have a giant pile on my elementalist that he has no use for.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: proudft on July 30, 2013, 02:44:44 PM
It is definitely an encouragement for me to play alts and then never buy the poor bastards anything.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on July 30, 2013, 03:06:52 PM
Laurels have been account wide. Karma will be useful since you have tons of it on the character who doesn't have anything to buy with it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on July 30, 2013, 03:18:35 PM
More bag space free!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on July 30, 2013, 05:00:47 PM

The token account is great, the feature to start winding back visual effects as the numbers grow is almost as good. Some of the big event fights it's difficult to even see your character amidst the spell effects if you are melee. Which of course makes responding to red circles and mob telegraphs more or less impossible.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Stokowski on July 31, 2013, 01:59:57 AM
Am I allowed to hope that they will also make title visibility toggleable? They're just annoying fluff.

</grump>


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: tazelbain on July 31, 2013, 08:27:13 AM
Did they ever make it so you could see the chat for all your guilds?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on July 31, 2013, 09:15:05 AM
No.  I see very little point in the whole "join multiple guilds" feature as it is.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Stokowski on July 31, 2013, 06:28:57 PM
You create a one-man guild for extra storage space, then join a real guild for giggles & stuff.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 02, 2013, 10:15:53 AM
Made like 10g in about an hour of doing world bosses after reset last night, did get two exotics and above average on ectos from salvaging though.  Still, it seems a much better time investment than endless dungeoning, and more varied.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on August 02, 2013, 03:31:20 PM
I need some of your luck.  I've yet to see an exotic drop from a world boss, and it's been over a month since I've even gotten two rares from a single event.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 02, 2013, 03:54:01 PM
People tell me magic find only affects mob drops and not chests but i think they are nuts.  Two rares per boss is average, three is not rare at all.  Two exotics in one night is quite rare though, but i do average about 6 gold or so after clearing all the more common world bosses each day (no convington or karka queen or the hard temples usually).


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: KallDrexx on August 04, 2013, 09:12:59 PM
So I have two friends looking to start playing and I decided to hop back on. 

Is WvW usually that dead on a sunday evening (3-5pm-ish)?  I play on Blackgate (which appears to be number 1 (https://leaderboards.guildwars2.com/en/na/wvw)) and yet there was literally no action on any of the battle grounds except for Eternal Battlegrounds (which of course had a queue).  Are all servers like that?

It is really hard to get back into this game in a non-WvW aspect.  I haven't played since 2 months after launch and trying to remember all my abilities, how to play my character, what I should do, etc... just makes me feel pretty lost.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Shatter on August 04, 2013, 09:42:32 PM


It is really hard to get back into this game in a non-WvW aspect.  I haven't played since 2 months after launch and trying to remember all my abilities, how to play my character, what I should do, etc... just makes me feel pretty lost.

Nah, I just restarted last week and got back into it very fast which quickly reminded me why I left in the first place but I'm trogging through anyhow.  My experience so far though is a lot of areas are dead, just no one there, maybe its server dependent dunno.  Sucks to see events and stuff up and no one doing em. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on August 05, 2013, 04:41:51 AM
Has to be server dependant - Yak's Bend has at least 30-40 doing the chests at any one time in Aussie prime time, more during US prime.

WvW is good in US


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on August 05, 2013, 09:39:06 AM
It's the rewards revamps. People don't do the harder zones with shit rewards. So people will do the temples (though the timers on them are kind wonky), and everything you see on the timer sites. And you'll usually have a karma zerg around in a sub-40 zone hitting all the champ spawns in a rotation.

But 70-80? Kinda empty. Because the content is harder for roughly the same rewards as just farming lucrative events.

Ideally they patch in that exploration bonus XP => bonus loot chance to encourage people to spread out a little bit and reward killing that shark in the lower corner of the map who hasn't been killed in seven months.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on August 05, 2013, 01:36:03 PM
That shark ain't doin' nothin' bad! Leave it alone!


As for WvW being dead, I think it depends pretty heavily on time zones, but probably also on the match-ups. I know I stopped bothering going last week mostly because JQ was so thoroughly owning the other two servers, there wasn't much to do, and the stuff there WAS to do just felt like needlessly kicking the other servers in the nuts, which would make them less likely to come back out, which meant we were even more ahead, etc.

And we still haven't gotten kicked back up to T1, so we are still just beating the shit out of the other two servers unlucky enough to be matched up with us. I am pretty sure Fort Aspenwood is ready to see us go away.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on August 05, 2013, 02:44:01 PM
FA seems a lot happier about it than Maguuma, who as far as I can tell has ONE guild who cares about keeps and the rest basically forum troll about 8v8s or whatever the kids call it now.

I took the shit matchup as a reason to finish my WvW map complete. Got killed a few times running into hostile groups. Why you gotta bring 5 to fight my 1, FA! Zergers!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: KallDrexx on August 07, 2013, 06:33:18 PM
Wow, I was wondering why I wasn't doing as well as I remembered with my necromancer.  Just found out that sometime during my haitus they refunded all trait points, so I literally have zero trait points spent.  gg...

Now I have to remember what kind of build I can do and what I should be speccing in.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on August 12, 2013, 11:59:12 AM
Wow, I was wondering why I wasn't doing as well as I remembered with my necromancer.  Just found out that sometime during my haitus they refunded all trait points, so I literally have zero trait points spent.  gg...

Now I have to remember what kind of build I can do and what I should be speccing in.

This was me yesterday - I can't even remember HOW I was speccing, let alone what all my points were in.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on August 13, 2013, 03:48:51 AM
Wow, I was wondering why I wasn't doing as well as I remembered with my necromancer.  Just found out that sometime during my haitus they refunded all trait points, so I literally have zero trait points spent.  gg...

Now I have to remember what kind of build I can do and what I should be speccing in.

I was in the same boat. Fortunately I screenshot all my builds :)

Just respecced my warrior into 30/0/0/10/30 and am having a ball as axe/mace with greatsword. Finished my second thief and am playing it as S/P and P/P for fun. At 13 level 80s I can't bring myself to level another.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: KallDrexx on August 13, 2013, 07:12:18 AM
I didn't last long in my attempt to come back to GW2.  It really is like Shatter said, even in the newbie areas there aren't many dynamic events firing off, nor random people you run into to do quests with.  It really seems dead for a lot of content :-/


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on August 13, 2013, 08:11:58 AM
Guest on a different server. Yours is dead by the sounds of it but mine seems to be alive in both US and Aussie time zones.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on August 13, 2013, 09:38:41 AM
JQ is pretty populated. But for this week nobody's in the world because everyone's farming the new zone for a bit. Seriously, everyone. I've yet to even see the non overflow version of it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on August 13, 2013, 12:03:43 PM
Likewise with Yak's.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on August 13, 2013, 05:03:08 PM
JQ is pretty populated. But for this week nobody's in the world because everyone's farming the new zone for a bit. Seriously, everyone. I've yet to even see the non overflow version of it.

Not entirely true, there are also giant champion trains in the 70-80 zones.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on August 13, 2013, 06:08:30 PM
You should be defending the realm instead!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on August 13, 2013, 06:33:39 PM
I can't complete my daily in WvW alone!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on August 13, 2013, 07:02:07 PM
You totally can!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on August 13, 2013, 07:15:38 PM
JQ is pretty populated. But for this week nobody's in the world because everyone's farming the new zone for a bit. Seriously, everyone. I've yet to even see the non overflow version of it.

Not entirely true, there are also giant champion trains in the 70-80 zones.  :why_so_serious:

Bah, inefficient! Low level champs die in 30 seconds!

This patch made the Harathi Powerlevel Event stupidly good and soon to be nerfed, because all in all there are 5 champs involved every 20 minutes or so.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 13, 2013, 07:29:29 PM
What's the harathi powerlevel event?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on August 13, 2013, 07:38:53 PM
What's the harathi powerlevel event?

The Harathi Overseer or whatever. Starts at the very NE part of Harathi Hinterlands, and involves a four event chain that spawns a billion centaur. If you go up there, you will find tons of people and usually XP/Karma banners. Bring food/oils for xp bonuses, and every AE you have. You will not be able to see the mobs, culling gets brutal.

But it's pretty comical amounts of xp, and a daily chest at the end if you just want to run it once a day with an 80.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on August 13, 2013, 07:48:16 PM
All the fun of fin tree without the ability to go AFK ever.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on August 13, 2013, 07:51:45 PM
All the fun of fin tree without the ability to go AFK ever.

Lies.

You have to move at the harathi event! Occasionally.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on August 13, 2013, 09:26:48 PM
You totally can!

Depends on the set for any given day, and yesterday's was not one of those days.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: apocrypha on August 14, 2013, 12:15:40 AM
Saw this for £25 on this place (http://play-sc.com/) a couple of days ago so. Been playing with a friend since then, really liking it.

So far it feels very much like you get rewards for doing pretty much anything you feel like. My highest level is only 15 so far, a Charr Necromancer, but it's fun. I'm digging the way skills work even if I don't yet understand a lot of it.

My one complaint would be that every single female character in the game, both player and non-player, appears to be a porn-star-esque 19 year old. Mind you there aren't many male characters over the age of about 30 either. MMOs are all like Logan's Run.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on August 14, 2013, 02:04:47 AM
My one complaint would be that every single female character in the game, both player and non-player, appears to be a porn-star-esque 19 year old. Mind you there aren't many male characters over the age of about 30 either. MMOs are all like Logan's Run.

There ARE old person models in the game, I've seen some old ladies trundling along in the human capital, at least. But yes, basically everyone is young and pretty in GW2. Almost everyone was young and pretty in GW1, too (some of the dudes, like the necros, were not, but some of the other dudes, like the mesmers, were very pretty indeed). The derpy skimpy armor would bug me if I had to wear it, but I don't! Hooray!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: apocrypha on August 14, 2013, 02:24:04 AM
The derpy skimpy armor would bug me if I had to wear it, but I don't! Hooray!

Yeah that's cool, most of the female armour I've seen is vaguely sensible looking, so the mental score point I took away from the game for the sea of teenagers is given back for the relative lack of chainmail bikinis.  :awesome_for_real:

Anyway, is there anything I should be doing as a new player? I've managed to get the Daily reward two days in a row now, and am finding my feet with most things, but are there any other dailies or specific events I should be having a go at? Is there anything in the Queen's Jubilee stuff for lowbies?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on August 14, 2013, 02:37:34 AM

You can certainly go and have a look. The event is level 80 but you'll be scaled up to level 80 yourself so you can participate.

In general I'd say just explore both the game world and the game systems at your own pace. There's not really anything to rush towards and the world is beautiful and encourages exploration. Whereas the end game... hm, some issues. The daily is a nice little boost and goal though.

The chainmail bikini's come as the armor gets higher level and more exotic. Thankfully I can transmute it all so it looks like the low level chainmail which I liked the look of for torso.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on August 14, 2013, 04:33:01 AM
So far it feels very much like you get rewards for doing pretty much anything you feel like.

...

My one complaint would be that every single female character in the game, both player and non-player, appears to be a porn-star-esque 19 year old. Mind you there aren't many male characters over the age of about 30 either. MMOs are all like Logan's Run.

Your first point is spot on, I never feel like I get funnelled into any one thing and I usually get 4/5 of my dailies completed without even trying.

On your latter point, I'm not sure that I agree (then again, I have no desire to bang an Asura  or Charr :D ).

Cases in point (lots of SFW images and shameless admission of GW2 enjoyment):


Sigh, looking at those characters with 1 at 100% exploration and the rest at 35-55% exploration, I'm glad I'm not addicted!




Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: apocrypha on August 14, 2013, 05:26:03 AM
Holy crap that's a lot of characters  :uhrr:

Good to see some variation from the teenager look, like I said I've only been playing a couple of days so that's what's stood out for me in that short time.

Loving the explorer vibe in the game. Me and a mate have been wandering almost randomly around the Ashford Plains (I think it's called) and have just constantly had things to do. We had a fun hour yesterday where there were 3 separate events all converging on the same location, each of which had 10-20 people doing them. It turned into an almighty clusterfuck bunfight. Was hilarious :)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on August 14, 2013, 07:18:30 AM
And the nice things is that thanks to the character down-levelling you can wander into any zone you have missed and still find the content interesting. Though the scaling seemed to break down a bit when I got solid gear on one character and went back to a starter zone.

It's one of the few MMO's where the zones feel like they have a life of their own. There's things happening you wander into and there's a larger story to most zones. And if you go off the beaten track you'll quite possibly find there's something there. Also GW2 have astounding graphic artists, there is some really impressive scenery which the vista's show off really nicely. A nice change from WoW where it was too easy to see the zone (in cataclysm) was a linked series of rides.

The game still has some mechanics and goals incomplete, but it's certainly pretty good value for a one off box cost.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 14, 2013, 09:04:33 AM
? Is there anything in the Queen's Jubilee stuff for lowbies?

There's two parts to the queen's jubilee: the queen's pavillion is a straight up farmaton, you can usually find a group at the destroyer area since they have the best drops.  The exp is very good, you make more money than almost anything else and you can get a few free achievement points for representing the various cities and finishing events.  It also gets boring pretty fast since you are just doing old style mob grinding, even if it's fast paced.  The other part is the queen's gauntlet where you take on gimmicky one on one fights against tough oponents, you should be able to get through at least a couple of them if you want but at low levels you have very little chance of getting very far.  You get a special miniature for beating it and a large chunk of achievement points.  Also you can go around the world climbing the balloon towers, usually you have to do an event first and there is a chest at the top of each.  Edit: achievement points are nice because every 500 you get account wide gold karma or magic find boosts, a chest with gold and goodies and sexy weapon and armor skins you can use anytime you want.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on August 14, 2013, 09:07:30 AM
Every time I've tried Liadri I've basically said fuck it to dying to dumb shit like lagging for half a second.

Anywho, with most of the living world content, they actually uplevel you to 80 for it. You're a shit 80 with few skills and crap gear, but you can at least see it. So if you do the Queen's Pavilion as a new player you will actually get a bit of a leg up since the repping buffs in there give 162% magic find. Which is why everyone and their dog is in there farming crafting mats.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 14, 2013, 09:20:34 AM
Every time I've tried Liadri I've basically said fuck it to dying to dumb shit like lagging for half a second.

Anywho, with most of the living world content, they actually uplevel you to 80 for it. You're a shit 80 with few skills and crap gear, but you can at least see it. So if you do the Queen's Pavilion as a new player you will actually get a bit of a leg up since the repping buffs in there give 162% magic find. Which is why everyone and their dog is in there farming crafting mats.

Took me about 30 tries, but i hear us thieves have it pretty easy.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on August 14, 2013, 12:59:50 PM
I've been trying on a necro, who appear to have some of the worst ability to recover from fuckups due to no access to vigor and limited access to swiftness. On the up side if you can get to phase 2 with a reasonable amount of health you can sit in lich form with stability and ignore the stupid orbs.

Most of my issues are a bit of lag and the really dumb visibility shit. I'm pretty offended that you need to turn off post-processing to make the fight not dickish. That's just dumb design.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on August 14, 2013, 03:31:17 PM
I'm assuming that they are flooding the market with T6 mats in preparation for the T7 crafting stuff coming at the end of the month, or I just don't understand what the Queen's events are doing. I took my baby Necro in last night and got 5 levels just running with the zerg, plus a metric fuckton of mats and a few gold worth of items.

My Necro is also not much of a classy lady like all of Setana's.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: luckton on August 14, 2013, 03:34:20 PM
I'm still trying to fit into this game, but I just have a time with the survival mechanics and such.  Too much time in WoW, I guess.  Any recommendations for someone who's played a Death Knight tank since their inception?  :grin:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on August 14, 2013, 03:36:53 PM
My guardian seemed sturdiest right out of the box, although once I got the swing of it, my elementalist was/is pretty resilient.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 14, 2013, 03:44:33 PM
Yeah guardians are the closest to a tanky type character, warriors could be too i guess but they are so good at putting out shit tons of damage nobody expects them to do anything else.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: satael on August 14, 2013, 04:04:23 PM
Yeah guardians are the closest to a tanky type character, warriors could be too i guess but they are so good at putting out shit tons of damage nobody expects them to do anything else.

Warrior's banner revive (from downed) used to be something really appreciated by others atleast back in the spring when I played (could be that they've nerfed it since then)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 14, 2013, 04:16:03 PM
Yeah guardians are the closest to a tanky type character, warriors could be too i guess but they are so good at putting out shit tons of damage nobody expects them to do anything else.

Warrior's banner revive (from downed) used to be something really appreciated by others atleast back in the spring when I played (could be that they've nerfed it since then)

It's extremely appreciated now that you have to do a very tough orr escort to get to the best farming spot in the game.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on August 14, 2013, 09:16:11 PM
Warrior Banner is still the best rez ever. It's fallen out of favor because warriors have built boon duration builds that allow them to keep signet of rage's actives up permanently.

That said, my warrior is tanky as shit as a sword/longbow condition build. But anything can be, healing signet + the healing based on adrenaline minor trait causes you to regen around 6-800hp every second, and they have a bunch of really good access to stability. It's kind of stupid how much my trouble warrior can get in to in wvw and still get out alive.

Guardians are tanky from level 1, bunker Eles are pretty crazy tanky but require access to a bunch of traits to do it. They feel squishy as fuck at low level.

I recommend that you tell us what sort of thing you'd like to play (like, what about Dk tanks did you enjoy?) and then we'll give ideas and you take the class for a spin in the Mists training area to see if you like how the skills work.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on August 14, 2013, 10:10:56 PM
For me it's a case of:

Fastest to level - Warrior/Ranger then Guardian
Easiest to level (survivability) - Guardian/Ranger
Best at surviving "oh shit" moments - Guardian

Fun after level 60 Ele/Mesmer then Thief then Necro

No fun to level - Engineer. Poor engies - Flamethrower is a boring skillset and despite actually being really good at open world PvE face-tanking once you get Juggernaught - but boring
Grenadier is fun to watch the numbers but too much effort compared to what every other class brings.

If you want to run PUG dungeons (I don't) then forget Ranger - no-one likes rangers and the pets are gimped with clunky mechanics. Engineers don't get much of a decent shake either.




Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on August 14, 2013, 10:43:47 PM
Engines are fun, but you have to work so much harder pretty much constantly. A good example is that to have swiftness you need to take a trait and then toggle a kit every 5 seconds. No more, no less, since it gives 5s of swiftness with a 5s cooldown. Just freaking annoying micro heavy work just to walk around.

And fuck grenades. One of the best weapons in the game, and you will uninstall the game if you try to use them as a primary weapon.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on August 14, 2013, 11:23:51 PM
Rangers are easily the best at solo PvE, but fall apart once the content gets beyond face tank mob, collect bag.

Something like 25-50% of the classes effective damage output is tied to the pet, the pet that cannot dodge/evade in content designed around the idea of constant evading and movement.

It's not a good equation.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on August 15, 2013, 12:42:33 AM
I rate pet mechanics in a dungeon/fractal up there with the fact that it is safer/easier for every melee class to equip a ranged weapon to increase survival in fractals :D It's my one hate with the game and the one thing WoW does better than GW2 - where melee can... melee.

Oh, I also love the fact that pets don't get agony resist and that Maw can one shot them, putting them on their swap timer. In fact, a few weeks ago I copped "burp - 1shot your pet (because I was on the swap CD), burp - 1shot your pet (when I swapped a few seconds after).


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on August 15, 2013, 02:21:53 AM
I didn't feel like my elementalist was particularly squishy, but that may be because I had started my mesmer first, who was squishy as fuck.  :why_so_serious:

Mesmer, for a long time, was one of those "dammit why won't you let me love you" classes until I figured out/got high enough to sword/pistol. Then it was fun! Getting an outfit that was 100% perfect for him helped too.  :grin:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on August 15, 2013, 05:01:01 AM
I build my Ele's tough, but they wear mobs down by attrition rather than brute force. I tried to level one as power/precision - was awesome until they took a hit :D

I never really get into my mesmers until L60 - then they are just awesome.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on August 15, 2013, 07:53:23 AM
My 1-80 class impressions so far:

- elementalist: my main, and the one I spent the most hours on. Lots of tricks, but requires a lot of button mashing (and constant attunement swaps). Also doesn't really produce BIG NUMBARS, though scepter/dagger has some decent burst. This class is so versatile that I find myself switching weapons (staff, s/d, s/f, d/d) and major traits (mostly between MAX DPS / survivability) between bosses all the time... this game needs some kind of dual spec badly.

- guardian: Greatsword kills stuff pretty good, though I'm fond of hammers... you can basically autoattack-chain + #2 your way to victory. Combine this with three spirit weapons and the invulnerability elite skill, and you can level semi-afk! This is also my only character that could reliably solo champions while levelling. The most annoying thing is that the only way to get swiftness is by using staff #3.... though staff #4 has an absolutely awesome animation on a (female?) asura, so I'll give that one a pass.

- mesmer: As posted above, really annoying to play and squishy until level 60 (that's when you get "create clone on dodge", right?) -- my biggest peeve was that all the illusions just vanish after their 'targeted' mob dies, so you need to be proactive with shatter skills and/or tab switch a lot. The only way to get swiftness reliably is on focus 4, which is good, since focus is pretty awesome when traited to reflect projectiles, plus spinny guy (#5) is great if used at the right time. I think my mesmer is the highest damage character I have... but I really have to be on top of the invulnerability skills to avoid faceplanting constantly, even more so than my elementalist.

- engineer: Grenadier is great on paper, but oh god the drudgery. I guess you could use a programmable mouse to autofire grenades on your mouse target while you hold down a side button. Is that a bannable offense? idk. Anyway, I use bombs 90% of the time, and that's pretty efficient for most pve situations. Smoke bomb (#4) basically makes you invulnerable in solo pve with the constantly reapplying blind, and fire bomb (#2) does a ridiculous amount of damage. The other fucking obnoxious thing is, like kildorn said, 'swap kits every 5 seconds to maintain swiftness' (and vigor). Just give the class a low-maintenance perma-swiftness option like everyone else, plzthx!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on August 15, 2013, 09:43:39 AM
Mesmers of any type just become awesome at 60 because everything cool is hidden in the GM traits, and they all modify your base skills heavily. So shatter builds suddenly do a dickload more damage (trait that causes you to count as a shattering clone), glamour builds gain enough points to pick up most of the confuse/blind stuff instead of null field just sitting there looking pretty in solo pve, etc.

Non dagger Elementalists are a lot better now from the patch that messed with their casting animation speeds as well. But you should still roll dagger/* when in solo pve because it's the single most fun set in the game.

Necros are also kind of meh until high level as well, but oddly it's less missing GM traits (deathly precision or terror, depending on your build) and more due to leveling gear having stats all over the place and necros really needing to hyper specialize in their gear at all levels to not be rather underwhelming.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on August 15, 2013, 05:05:59 PM
My thief was my first to 80 and she wasn't as squishy as I expected either, mostly because of the "heal on hit" heal skill. I am sure I did all sorts of things wrong with her, and she wasn't nigh immortal like my guardian, but she was pretty close... unless I was fighting those fucking dredge and their fucking immunity to blindness. Assholes!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 15, 2013, 05:57:14 PM
I prefer the "stealth and GTFO" heal personally.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on August 15, 2013, 06:48:54 PM
The heal on hit thing fits best with how I tend to play:

Am I dying? PUNCH THE THING HARDER


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on August 15, 2013, 08:01:14 PM
Thief heal on hit is amazing for pve. It's the only version of that type of effect that is per any physical damage dealt. So caltrops + healing signet = trolololol. You can basically just hit 80 by spamming dagger/dagger #3 with it equipped and between the evade frames and the healing you won't die unless you want to. The other variant is just auto attack with sword/pistol while standing in the smoke field from pistol #5.

One of the easier pve classes I've played, but all the tricks sort of fail the minute you do dungeons and actually need to remember how to avoid damage.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on August 16, 2013, 03:45:32 AM
I played the signet on my first thief and yeah, got smashed the first time i walked into a dungeon. My first mesmer taught me how to dodge and from there my second thief used the stealth heal and learned to dodge everything with no crutch.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: apocrypha on August 16, 2013, 11:31:11 AM
Feels strange to be posting all this in a thread with the title "Is this game dead or?" when it's clearly not.  :)

Anyway, are there ever sales on gems? I'd quite like some more bag slots, character slots and bank storage!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 16, 2013, 12:01:27 PM
No, that would totally screw the economy.  You want gems then take advantage of the easy gold farming currently going on.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on August 16, 2013, 01:15:52 PM
Gold -> Gem pricing will rise and fall every few weeks based on new things appearing in lockboxes and the like. If nothing new is out, nobody's spiking the price.

You can also get a few gems from the achievement chests, but very VERY few and far between (the 5k chest has 400 gems in it.  I suspect any crazy 10k chest may as well)

edit: but for some content: NEXT PATCH: Tuesday. Main thing changing so far in the preview? PVE Culling: Gone.

Also, it's the one year anniversary next year, so birthday presents will begin. It's looking like a static mini this time, mini queen jenna. So nobody cares, but they're glad it's not mini Traehern. Also an increase to WXP earning rates in WvW. I suspect it will be light on the balance changes because we're still dealing with the PAX tournament and nobody expects any balance changes until that's done with.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: amiable on August 16, 2013, 02:05:12 PM

- engineer: Grenadier is great on paper, but oh god the drudgery. I guess you could use a programmable mouse to autofire grenades on your mouse target while you hold down a side button.

There is a post somewhere here explaining how to do this via autohotkey, it makes playing a grenadier tolerable and useful in mass RvR.  My favorite build was a pistol/pistol elixir roaming build that for some reason they decided to nerf into the ground.  At that point I just gave up the game entirely.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 16, 2013, 02:58:28 PM
Fastest selling MMO in history. (http://www.guildwars2hub.com/news/guild-wars-2-fastest-selling-mmo-history)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on August 16, 2013, 04:28:13 PM
Gold -> Gem pricing will rise and fall every few weeks based on new things appearing in lockboxes and the like. If nothing new is out, nobody's spiking the price.

You can also get a few gems from the achievement chests, but very VERY few and far between (the 5k chest has 400 gems in it.  I suspect any crazy 10k chest may as well)

edit: but for some content: NEXT PATCH: Tuesday. Main thing changing so far in the preview? PVE Culling: Gone.

Also, it's the one year anniversary next year, so birthday presents will begin. It's looking like a static mini this time, mini queen jenna. So nobody cares, but they're glad it's not mini Traehern. Also an increase to WXP earning rates in WvW. I suspect it will be light on the balance changes because we're still dealing with the PAX tournament and nobody expects any balance changes until that's done with.

When the fuck is that tourney over or whatever.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on August 16, 2013, 04:58:09 PM
PAX itself is the 31st->Sept 2nd. Expect a massive patch on Sept 3rd at best (assuming nobody takes a break between the end of PAX and the new patch), 17th at worst.

Supposedly they're going to do some massive content reveal at PAX that is not an expansion. Realistically it's just going to be a preview of more living world stuff I'd bet.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on August 16, 2013, 06:28:54 PM
I am super confident there's a whole fuck load of changes for rangers, but they are holding them all back because of the stupid tourney.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on August 16, 2013, 07:38:13 PM
I have a harbour bridge for sale - slightly used - if you'd like to buy that too :(


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on August 16, 2013, 09:34:38 PM
I'm far more confident there are changes to terrormancers and probably spirit rangers waiting in the wings. If they're smart, it will be coupled with (at least a preview of) the first wave of new weapon selections to distract people.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on August 17, 2013, 12:15:19 AM
If they add MH pistol to mesmers and I will be as distracted as they want!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on August 17, 2013, 01:33:28 AM
Rangers are going to get some nerfs in SPvP probably yea, but they are going to give us more bullshit stealth stuff in return. Just watch.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on August 18, 2013, 03:19:20 AM
Just finished my second warrior. Previously I'd been told signet builds were useless past level 40. Not any more they aren't, they are great for levelling to 80 and awesome for farming.

I'm loving Axe/mace and GS again and ended up going 30/0/0/10/30 on both warriors


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on August 18, 2013, 03:28:01 AM
You can fairly trivially get 100% crit rate on Signet warriors. It's pretty lawl worthy.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Maledict on August 18, 2013, 04:10:41 AM
Warriors seem ridiculously overpowered in PvE, to the point where I don't think my Mesmer can even do 50% of the damage they it out and they survive better...


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on August 18, 2013, 02:02:25 PM
Mesmer damage is just pretty sad in general beyond shatter builds. They got over nerfed a while back and never really recovered.

But yeah, my warrior can pretty much face tank things and give zero fucks. I think my necro beats him in theory for single target and my ranger does okay, but both of them wind up being crazy squishy in comparison due to warrior's easy access to invulns and crazy long duration stability.

Really though, my ranger's pve problems are entirely dumb pets in dungeons and sword #1 being irritating as fuck to use. My Mesmer's pve problems are that while I can do anything my other classes can do, it just takes 3-4x as long to do it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on August 18, 2013, 09:13:45 PM
When I hit 40 with my Warrior just the other day, I was able to unlock that Might proc on GS strikes. I now know why every warrior runs around with a GS.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on August 19, 2013, 04:04:39 AM
Took my old warrior into Crucible of Eternity story mode last night. While my new one uses berserker gear, the old one runs knight's with berserker trinkets and divinity runes and a battle sigil on eack swap. With 22 stacks of might and about 70% crit my night was made when I weapon swapped from axe/mace to GS (love fast hands) and pulled off a 25K final hit with 100 blades.

I'd love to try Scholar runes to see if that would take me higher but I can't keep >90% health up but I'm not replacing the divinities - too damn expensive and I like the bonuses - there are times that not having them would have killed me.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Maledict on August 19, 2013, 07:01:43 AM
That's what I mean. Do you know how long it would take my Mesmer to do 25K worth of damage?  I can't think of a single skill I have, in full exotics, that can do 2K without critting. My phantoms can do a ton of damage IF they survive to unload a few attacks, but generally they don't.

Have to say overall the class depresses me. It's such a wonderful, wonderful concept for a class and I love the illusions and clones and everything, but in PvE it seems stupidly underpowered and really only viable thanks to Time Warp.

On the plus side, experimenting with an engineer has been great fun - seems to click more for me than the elementalist did.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on August 19, 2013, 08:33:36 AM
I'm loving Axe/mace and GS again and ended up going 30/0/0/10/30 on both warriors

I hadn't ever really done much with my warrior other than get him 80 and have some half-ass spec I made up. I switched to this on Saturday and haven't looked back. I didn't go ALL Beserker gear yet (half Knight's) and it's already pretty smashfacingly good. Pretty nice rotation that does VERY good damage.

I just stuck Ruby Orbs into my armor for now, but Divinity Runes would be super duper.

Leveling right now is ridiculously easy too - I took my Necro from 62-80 in a little over a week with my spotty playtime without much difficulty. The Crown Pavillion stuff made it easy to level and not even worry about any sort of gearing as I went the last 20 levels. Finished it off by crafting 200-400 and my new exotic armor.

Setting on a 30/0/10/0/30 DPS build that I am pretty happy with.

I find it pretty awesome that I actually have a couple of decently geared, fun to play, max level characters in an MMO which I have never had before. Problem is my small guild of friends is down to 2 people so there's a whole lot of solo play and I'm not much of a PUG guy to do dungeons and fractals.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on August 19, 2013, 09:11:09 AM
Took my old warrior into Crucible of Eternity story mode last night. While my new one uses berserker gear, the old one runs knight's with berserker trinkets and divinity runes and a battle sigil on eack swap. With 22 stacks of might and about 70% crit my night was made when I weapon swapped from axe/mace to GS (love fast hands) and pulled off a 25K final hit with 100 blades.

I'd love to try Scholar runes to see if that would take me higher but I can't keep >90% health up but I'm not replacing the divinities - too damn expensive and I like the bonuses - there are times that not having them would have killed me.

Scholar's are the best if you can keep >90% health for ~24% of the on target time of the fight.

A very cheap alternative that is nearly as good is simply using ruby orbs for dps.

And divinities are goddamned expensive. I personally default to orbs if I can't find a set I absolutely love the bonuses for. If I'm just after stats and nothing like boon duration or such the orbs wind up being about 2G total assuming you don't already have some lying around.

edit: and randomly: hundred blades is just a silly skill. It's overpowered as fuck in pve and some pvp (like the current mace/shield + gs build of doom). But a mesmer CAN do decent burst damage via shatter builds. But it's nowhere near the same tier. Same with Engineers in theory being able to drop a 17k 1-second burst down but in reality it takes so much work to set up that it's only useful against practice dummies and the world's easiest pve bosses.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 20, 2013, 12:00:51 PM
The new zodiac weapons are amazing.  Except the warhorn, which has you blowing directly into a chickens asshole.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on August 20, 2013, 12:04:16 PM
https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-August-20-2013

Release notes. No real class changes. Update to the living world meta, and notification that the current arena thing closes on the 3rd.

Looks like open world invasions and a new temporary instance (no idea if it's solo or 5 man)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Maledict on August 20, 2013, 02:49:59 PM
This update basically turns one zone an hour into a giant invasion event from Rift. Unfortunately folks haven't lernt the skills from RIFT about how to do zone wide group content so most times we lose because people dont split up and just stay in one zerg...


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on August 20, 2013, 02:55:01 PM
Zodiac weapons, aka BUY OUR FUCKING KEYS  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on August 20, 2013, 03:01:41 PM
Some people are complaining about the way the zodiac skins look. I am not one of those people AND I NEED KEYS ARGH


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on August 20, 2013, 03:16:53 PM
Most of those skins are pretty ugly, I think. I do like the bows.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on August 20, 2013, 03:42:51 PM
I'm not a huge fan of them either, but that's ok since the last thing I need is incentive to get some gems.

Still liked the Fused stuff the best.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on August 20, 2013, 03:44:48 PM
I love almost all of them.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on August 20, 2013, 04:16:38 PM
Jade staff is best staff. Now if only it was actually VISIBLE on an asura (this goes for every other weapon out there, too)...  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on August 20, 2013, 05:20:48 PM
Aw, why's the rabbit gotta be on the stupid scepter.  :heartbreak:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 20, 2013, 06:47:36 PM
I fail to see the appeal of turning off pve culling or why it was necessary at all.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on August 20, 2013, 06:51:50 PM
You don't like being able to see the monsters you're fighting?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 20, 2013, 06:56:09 PM
I never had any problem seeing monsters, the only change is now i see about ten times the amount of people around which actually makes it harder to see anything at all.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on August 20, 2013, 09:30:02 PM
I never had any problem seeing monsters, the only change is now i see about ten times the amount of people around which actually makes it harder to see anything at all.

Culling was stupid in a number of events where you could see players fine, but not see mobs. Because players have higher render priority.

The change is a bit laggy, but the new bit is that you can see mobs, not that you see more players exactly. If you're seeing more players you were already in a situation where it wasn't rendering mobs first for the most part.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Phred on August 21, 2013, 07:42:35 AM
That's what I mean. Do you know how long it would take my Mesmer to do 25K worth of damage?  I can't think of a single skill I have, in full exotics, that can do 2K without critting. My phantoms can do a ton of damage IF they survive to unload a few attacks, but generally they don't.

Have to say overall the class depresses me. It's such a wonderful, wonderful concept for a class and I love the illusions and clones and everything, but in PvE it seems stupidly underpowered and really only viable thanks to Time Warp. 


Ya I have one of every class up to 60 except my mesmer who stalled in the low 50's. It's just hard to bother logging in to level a character who is so depressingly bad.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on August 21, 2013, 03:37:05 PM
Get the mesmer to 60, that's when they start to come alive :)

Currently I'm sitting on 14 Level 80s and the only two classes I can't bring myself to level a second char on is engineer and necro.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on August 21, 2013, 03:59:37 PM
Amusingly, necro is one of my favorite 80s. But leveling him was obnoxious.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on August 21, 2013, 04:20:19 PM
Amusingly, necro is one of my favorite 80s. But leveling him was obnoxious.

Having just got my Necro to 80, I would have to agree. Totally fun now and I'm glad I got that last twenty levels just AoE'ing the Hell out of the Pavilion event.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Phred on August 21, 2013, 04:35:17 PM

Having just got my Necro to 80, I would have to agree. Totally fun now and I'm glad I got that last twenty levels just AoE'ing the Hell out of the Pavilion event.

Wow to both of you. I enjoyed leveling my necro immensely. Guess that was because I used a pet build that everyone swore was gimped.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on August 22, 2013, 02:51:16 AM
That's what I'm going to try second time around. I went a well build to level and hated every minute of levelling. Since then I went condition for PvE/PvP and love it. Minions seemed weak early build so I'm hoping it was just me.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on August 22, 2013, 06:55:48 AM
Yeah, I leveled pets and it was fine. Also not sure of the Well build hate. I love my wells so much that I don't see myself doing anything else. Things swarm me, I put down wells, pop shroud if I need to, and things just melt.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Dren on August 22, 2013, 09:30:03 AM
My necro was the first to 80 with wells.  Easy Peasy.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on August 23, 2013, 09:47:30 AM
Blarg. So ever since the first day of this new event, I lose connection during phase 3 of the invasions. I suspect it's Comcast's fault since all of my connections quickly reset (youtube will error out, but a refresh brings it right back), but logging back into GW2 puts me into an overflow without an active event so I wind up never getting credit towards the meta.

Whine. Waaah.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 23, 2013, 11:00:07 AM
Yeah, you are pretty screwed. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on August 24, 2013, 06:21:04 PM
I have no idea what the ramifications are for the economy long term. It's really weird. They've been so careful of keeping money flow tightly restricted, because of the RMT ramifications, that I simply cannot understand why they've opted to throw the doors open for three straight weeks now. So much money. Just greens and blues on this event are netting me something to the tune of 2-3g per event (half hour).


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on August 24, 2013, 06:28:50 PM
Its fucking the gold to gem conversion. Good for people who buy gems to turn into gold, bad for everyone else.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on August 24, 2013, 06:45:55 PM
Perhaps that's exactly what they want to happen.  Now more people will have to buy gems.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 24, 2013, 07:07:27 PM
I think it's just lack of planning, the two week cycle doesn't leave much time for balance testing.  A guildie made 200g on the first few hours of the pavillion before they took it down to nerf the champ centaur spawns, subject 7 was a cake walk with five gambits for a whole day before they nerfed him and even after deadeye dunwell was easy enough to farm with 3-4 gambits for several classes, now you only get rewarded once a day.  The aether champ farm from this event has already been toned down once.  They just aren't expecting people to thoroughly monetize everything so god damn efficiently and don't have enough time to make sure it's not easily exploitable before they roll it out.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on August 25, 2013, 03:36:01 AM
Perhaps that's exactly what they want to happen.  Now more people will have to buy gems.

Probably yea.


The bastards stole my bay tonight, I am sad :(


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on August 25, 2013, 05:53:43 AM
Whatever they are doing, they are doing it right. Logged in to Yak's Bend during Aussie day-time, LA and 3 other zones were in overflow. Hell, there were even people in the Asuran city


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on August 25, 2013, 12:15:37 PM
I don't think the intent is to flood the gold market to sell gems. They're trying to flood the high tier mats market to fix a few holes in the economy to prepare for 500 level crafting. The reality is that when they adjust the precursor system to be something other than bulk farming there will basically be no big ticket gold items left.

They're moving gold sinks into vendor purchased cosmetics, such as the gauntlet event letting you buy any racial weapon skins for gears + 5-10G per.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on August 25, 2013, 04:44:15 PM
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity, etc.

Anyway, I haven't logged in for a couple of weeks (way too busy working on a Shadowrun Returns module), how fun is this event? I kinda got bored with the pavilion farm after an hour or two.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 25, 2013, 05:52:37 PM
Same as the pavillion farm but spread across a lot of zones.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on August 27, 2013, 08:53:51 AM
Quote

Craft Ascended Weapons: New recipes and materials will be hidden around the world, and a new skill cap of 500 will be introduced for the Weaponsmith, Artificer and Huntsman crafting disciplines. Players crafting their way to 500 will become Grandmaster Crafters and can learn the secrets of crafting Ascended weapons.
Legendary Weapon Updates: Legendary weapons will receive a stat boost, an Offensive Infusion slot to align with new Ascended weapons and additional functionality, among other things.
Account-Wide Magic Find: Magic Find will be removed as an equipment stat and implemented as an account-wide bonus applied to all of a player’s characters.


And the return of Super Adventure Box which I loved.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 27, 2013, 10:39:49 AM
That sounds sweet.  Looks like i'll be finishing my legendary at a perfect time.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on August 27, 2013, 11:02:45 AM
The additional functionality of changing stats when out of combat is a really nice way of make the Legendaries more than just aesthetics, but not making them more powerful than the other stuff to can be bought/crafted.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on August 27, 2013, 01:23:32 PM
I'm still really really uncertain on the ascended weapons. Things leveled out a bit where getting ascended pieces wasn't that big a deal recently, but if the weapons are pricey as fuck it's going to be yet another alt-unfriendly patch and fuck with the power curve.

I will wait and see on this one when the patch hits. A lot of it comes down to how hard the new stuff is to craft.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on August 28, 2013, 12:08:31 AM
I probably won't even come back to play RVR occasionally like I have been with ascended weapons being a thing. Oh well.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: apocrypha on August 28, 2013, 12:39:08 AM
Quick newbie question: how do I do dungeons?

My necro is level 50 now and I've had 3 dungeons pop up on the map with mails suggesting I go there, but there's no dungeon finder? I found GW2LFG (http://gw2lfg.net/) but the groups that show up on that seem to always be level 80 and they don't say what server they're on. Can you group cross-server or something?

Is it even worth me doing story mode dungeons while leveling or does the lack of a group finder (which I am slightly stunned by, wtf is this 2004?) make it too much of a hassle without a large enough group of friends?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on August 28, 2013, 03:11:10 AM
1) Guildies
2) Guildies
3) Guildies

PUGS are cancer and from my experience aren't prepared to carry sub-80s. Level to 80, get into yellows, then give it a shot.

Depending on your server, get into a big guild with others that run instances. This is why I'm in TOG (http://www.theoldergamers.com) and have been for several different games


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on August 28, 2013, 04:25:24 AM
I used GW2LFG a lot... haven't really had any bad experiences with it, really. Ironically, the only dungeon group I was in that failed / fell apart was an AC storymode dungeon ~1 month after release that was an almost-full guild group (4 people from the same guild, and I was the PUG along for the ride). But yea, you'll want to be 80 with at least yellow gear (maybe a few greens) for best results.

Anet has been promising a LFD tool forever, but I haven't heard anything about it lately.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kaid on August 28, 2013, 08:49:28 AM
I have no idea what the ramifications are for the economy long term. It's really weird. They've been so careful of keeping money flow tightly restricted, because of the RMT ramifications, that I simply cannot understand why they've opted to throw the doors open for three straight weeks now. So much money. Just greens and blues on this event are netting me something to the tune of 2-3g per event (half hour).

I started the month with about 5 gold between my characters and due to random purchases tended to stay around that level. As of yesterday after plunking down 10 gold for a skin for my long bow I am at 55gp. This whole month has been one gigantic loot pinata of epic proportions and probably will have long term consequences on the economy.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 28, 2013, 09:16:52 AM
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/guild-wars-2-the-first-year/

The graphic at the end was pretty interesting.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on August 28, 2013, 07:59:01 PM
23 million dead cows  :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on August 28, 2013, 08:02:04 PM
Pretty sure those Risen Thralls are just killstealing from all the other bullshit in Orr.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 28, 2013, 08:30:32 PM
There's risen thralls in every zone with risen, and most zones have risen.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on August 28, 2013, 10:05:27 PM
The caravan stat made me laugh. Poor yaks.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: apocrypha on August 29, 2013, 01:02:03 AM
I seem to always end up playing the unpopular races & classes in MMOs. My Charr Necromancer feels special now!  :why_so_serious:

Dungeons are for 80s only then? Well that sucks.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on August 29, 2013, 02:04:36 AM
I seem to always end up playing the unpopular races & classes in MMOs. My Charr Necromancer feels special now!  :why_so_serious:

I have a Charr Engineer - that makes him rare too :)

Of the races I love the Charr and Norn the most but have a fondness for Asura and the Humans are the easiest to do jumping puzzles with. Sylvari I'm not fond of but that's probably an anti-Treahearne thing.

Looking at the racial breakdown of my characters it looks like:
Charr: Warrior/Elementalist/Engineer
Norn: Ranger/Warrior/Elementalist/Necromancer
Asura: Mesmer/Guardian/Thief
Sylvari: Ranger
Human: Guardian/Mesmer/Thief/Engineer

Of those, only the Charr and Norn warriors, Charr and Human Engineers are male. I do wish I'd made the Human Engineer a Norn.

I'm considering a Sylvari Necro as there's nice dungeon armour that would fit the theme but again... Treahearne syndrome.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Phred on August 29, 2013, 03:20:17 AM

Dungeons are for 80s only then? Well that sucks.

That's not strictly true but as people have said it'll be the rare pickup group that can get through one. I did the first one with a good group around 32 or so. It was difficult but we persisted and made it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on August 29, 2013, 04:36:44 AM
My boring race/class break down for level 80 goes like this:

norn elementalist
human mesmer
sylvari guardian
human thief (her armor looks hilarious on her right now, by the way, it all looks WAY TOO BIG for her which has the added bonus of making her look like she has a pinhead)

I was a little surprised to see norn so "low," just because it feels like there are a lot of them on Jade Quarry. Not at all surprised at the charr being the least popular, though. I feel a little bad I still don't have one, because I really like how they designed the females, but bleh. I just don't like the charr much to start with (NEVAR FORGET) and the running animation basically seals my DO NOT WANT opinion.

Still, I should probably make an engineer. Probably. Mmmmmeh, probably won't.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on August 29, 2013, 09:11:21 AM
Norn Warrior, Thief, Engineer and Elementalist. Human Necro and Guardian for me.

I kept trying to make a Charr because I felt I ought to, but I could never make one I liked. The most important part of any MMO is character creation. If I don't do it right, I won't play no matter how good the game is.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on August 29, 2013, 09:25:42 AM
That running animation is the worst thing in the game next to Orr.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 29, 2013, 10:52:22 AM
The caravan stat made me laugh. Poor yaks.

The part thats hilarious is that it takes 1 million kills for the achievement and only 23 million total have died across all players.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on August 29, 2013, 01:00:38 PM
You people all need to acknowledge the REAL masters of the universe.

My chars:
Asura Elementalist, Guardian, Warrior
Charr Engineer
Human Mesmer
Sylvari are boringNecro alt I'll never play
Norn are also boringRanger alt I'll also never play

e: I wish I could see my weapons though ;(


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on August 29, 2013, 02:40:04 PM
All of my characters are Norn Women, except for one Tree man.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on August 29, 2013, 03:30:22 PM
I do have an asura necro that seems the likely next candidate for an 80. She's my only lady caster, too, so it'll help catch up my lady-to-gentleman ratio at the top a bit. It's currently three dudes to one chick (the thief is the chick), I blame the fact I loathe the female sylvari voice for my guardian being a dude, and I know better than to play a human-shaped female caster in a Guild Wars game for my own sanity.  :oh_i_see:

I am bored, here are pictures of three of them:




Tree dude isn't in an outfit I like yet, so poor Jassan the Guardian does not get a picture.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Phred on August 29, 2013, 07:57:27 PM
I don't think the intent is to flood the gold market to sell gems.

I don't know who would suggest such a thing in the first place. What possible benefit does ANet get from selling gems for gold?



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: apocrypha on August 30, 2013, 12:53:30 AM
I don't know who would suggest such a thing in the first place. What possible benefit does ANet get from selling gems for gold?

The benefit to ANet comes from the gold price of gems going through the roof which means that newer players, who don't have 80s and can't make nearly as much gold from the events as longer-term players with 80s, are more likely to want to buy gems with real money.

Either that or these events are just badly thought out, but I don't think that's likely given that they've run 2 in a row like this.

Do the gear boxes that drop from the events have their item level set on drop or on opening does anyone know? It occurred to me yesterday that it might be worth be saving them til I'm 80 before opening.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on August 30, 2013, 09:12:13 AM
There's risen thralls in every zone with risen, and most zones have risen.

Lol seriously.  It's like saying, "Surface most often walked on:  the ground." 

Engineer and Necromancer are my two top classes.  Thief and Guardian are a moderately placed third and fourth.  Love the idea of Mesmer but can't get past 40.  Warrior and Ranger I can't get into at all.

I made a second Engineer and run a 0/20/20/20/10 build that is beyond fun.  Flamethrower, Elixir Gun, Elixir B, Supply Crate.  Pistol/Shield.  Specc'd for toughness and might stacks with flamethrower, extra damage with flamethrower and elixir gun.  This is a build I tweaked and optimized during these zerg-heavy living world events.  Tagging mobs, good damage dealing, and lots of support/healing available.  Run in with elixir gun, hit button 5 where you stand, hit button 4 and it's area retaliation.  Hit button 3 and cleanse folks.  Switch to flamethrower and burn everything.  Repeat.  So fun.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on August 30, 2013, 04:00:00 PM
The only class I just cannot make myself get into is the engineer, and I'm not sure why. I start and then I go "blurgh" and I do something else. I guess I could insta-20 one now if I really wanted, I have a spare scroll of that sitting around.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: proudft on August 30, 2013, 05:09:32 PM
That's what I'm gonna do.  Level 8 engineer and six of those scrolls, he's getting one whether he likes it or not.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on August 30, 2013, 09:02:44 PM
The only class I just cannot make myself get into is the engineer, and I'm not sure why. I start and then I go "blurgh" and I do something else. I guess I could insta-20 one now if I really wanted, I have a spare scroll of that sitting around.

There is something wrong with engineer as a fun levelling experience. Admittedly mine was my second character but I had to push myself to hit 80 (no crafting either).

I wanted to be a grenadier - grenades were clunky.

Flamethrower was fun until the patch where you had to align stars or get "missmissmissmiss" etc.

Even then, once you work out how to maintain the correct angle to not miss, it wasn't fun.

Underwater sucked if tiy were FT - I ended up grenading underwater with a FT build. It's just so clunky and the class that should have been the most versatile just isn't.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on August 30, 2013, 11:46:52 PM
Engineer really needs to have at least 2-3 toolbelt skills unlocked before it becomes fun to play.

My engineer levelled with a bomb spec -- keep dropping a trail of autoattack bombs while I gathered a bunch of mobs, drop 4 (basically perma-blinding them), then 2, 3, 5, and maybe the big bomb when needed. Marvel at the explosions, collect loot. 'Evil Midnight Bomber That Bombs At Midnight' cackle optional.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 31, 2013, 09:04:16 AM
Or you could just do as i did: eat a scroll to 20, level 4 crafting skills for around 35 gold then do invasions till 80.  Took a whole afternoon.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on August 31, 2013, 03:40:44 PM
I've never had 35 gold total.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 31, 2013, 03:59:01 PM
The last two updates have been extremely good for my bank account.  I went from not being interested in a legendary to almost done.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on August 31, 2013, 04:18:27 PM
Feel free to buy me bigger bags  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 31, 2013, 04:21:07 PM
Lol, i actually sunk everything i had left into vicious claw prospecting.  If i'm not mistaken the new assassin armor will drive the price way up.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on August 31, 2013, 04:52:54 PM
Feel free to buy me bigger bags  :why_so_serious:

I can make you bags if you buy me the runes of holding for the bag size you want, you know! I have a 400 skill tailor!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on August 31, 2013, 08:22:20 PM
Legendary Rifle precursor dropped for me. Time to decide if my Warrior main or my engineer gets it. Now I need to work out how much it's going to cost to make it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 31, 2013, 09:06:23 PM
Tier 6 mats and ectos are through the roof, unless you got a large stockpile of both those things you are looking at tons of farming still.  And rifle i would throw on an engi, at least they have a good rifle build.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on August 31, 2013, 10:14:47 PM
I'm guessing the crafting update on Tuesday has something to do with the money explosion.

LFG system is in on 9/17, along with turning Tequatl into a full blown super fight.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: apocrypha on September 01, 2013, 12:19:07 AM
LFG system is in on 9/17

 :woot: :thumbs_up: :Love_Letters: :yahoo:

Got my Charr Necro to 80 mostly by farming the Clockwork Chaos events. She has 25% map completion and 20g as a result.

Started on my Norn Guardian and realised after a few levels that not having a speed boost utility skill is painful. Might have to try the Elementalist instead...


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on September 01, 2013, 04:31:30 AM
The classes without the 25% run buff are dead to me.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on September 01, 2013, 04:37:45 AM
Guardian has that one utility skill with a 60sec cooldown that gives swiftness, is that not enough?! :awesome_for_real:

Seriously though, guardian staff 3 is an ok swiftness skill (kinda similar to mesmer focus 4), though obviously nowhere near as good as other permaswiftness options. Now the engineer "swap kits every 5 seconds to get 5 sec of swiftness" thing... yeah.


Anyway, I decided to take a look at this arena thing before the entire meta-event ends (yeah yeah, late to the party). Didn't really have problems until sniper dude (screw 1sec cast time killshots with transatlantic latency), but eventually got to Liadri... at which point I realized that my scepter/dagger (or staff) elementalist is probably never going to make it. Have much higher hopes for my engineer (though my gear is kinda cruddy) after facerolling 5-gambit subject 7 -- we'll see.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: apocrypha on September 01, 2013, 05:24:30 AM
Yeah I put a staff on her weapon slot 2 and with that in combo with "Save Yourselves!" it's better than nothing. Still painful.

Classes with no-fuss run speed buffs are Necro, Elementalist and Ranger yeah?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on September 01, 2013, 07:53:28 AM
Thief has the 25% run speed signet too and runes of the traveler are gonna give run speed now.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on September 01, 2013, 08:35:58 AM
Classes with no-fuss run speed buffs are Necro, Elementalist and Ranger yeah?

Warriors have it as a trait in the adept section of the Discipline line "Warrior's Sprint" - "Run 25% faster while wielding melee weapons". I run it for open world PvE and for PvP - gives me one extra Slot Skill over the other 3 classes you mentioned.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: apocrypha on September 01, 2013, 10:48:07 AM
Cool, thanks folks.

What I currently want is a keyboard shortcut to swap from Best Performance to Best Appearance graphics options and back again. I set Performance when porting to high population areas or Clockwork events, Appearance for everything else. Makes a big difference to loading times too.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on September 01, 2013, 12:00:54 PM
As expected, fuckers have been sitting on some stuff due to the tournament. Full panel rundown from PAX:

http://dulfy.net/2013/08/31/gw2-pax-anniversary-bash-coverage/

Notable stuff is a peek at a dragon encounter revamp, a seasonal WvW thing starting in October where the matches will be in a bracket and give weekly rewards to winning participants and end of event (7 weeks) rewards based on total participation.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on September 01, 2013, 01:39:12 PM
Man, that Q&A gets reeeeeally Engrishy in some places.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on September 01, 2013, 02:04:49 PM
That's just Dulfy, I think. Her site is awesome, but she could use an editor  :awesome_for_real:

edited for actual content: I wonder if they'll give all the dragons the Tequatl treatment. Also, making it 'really hard' means it'll probably fail all the time and people will get fed up with it. I hope to be proven wrong!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on September 01, 2013, 04:10:24 PM
All I know about the new encounter is that the Rangers are already cutting themselves over it.  :why_so_serious:


Elementalists, Thieves, Rangers and Necros all have a 25% Run Signet

Necros, Elementalists and Warriors have a 25% Run buff from traits when using X weapons.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Movement_speed


Engineers, Guardians and Mesmers are dead to me! DEAD!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on September 01, 2013, 04:48:57 PM
Rangers are so odd. Even if you assume (safely) that pets will be terrible at the encounter.. it's still a fight about standing at range and nuking something. Which rangers are absolutely amazing at.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on September 01, 2013, 05:17:32 PM
It always comes back to the reverse doublefrost math on our weapon scaling. During one of the last weeks of Beta, someone went and did the math on how much damage a pet did on a target dummy, then subtracted that from all the rangers weapons.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on September 01, 2013, 05:30:00 PM
All I know about the new encounter is that the Rangers are already cutting themselves over it.  :why_so_serious:


Elementalists, Thieves, Rangers and Necros all have a 25% Run Signet

Necros, Elementalists and Warriors have a 25% Run buff from traits when using X weapons.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Movement_speed


Engineers, Guardians and Mesmers are dead to me! DEAD!

My thief feels slow compared to my perma swiftness/vigor engi.  It requires a bit of upkeep but you are certainly extremely mobile.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on September 01, 2013, 06:52:19 PM
DEAD TO ME!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on September 02, 2013, 03:18:04 AM
It always comes back to the reverse doublefrost math on our weapon scaling. During one of the last weeks of Beta, someone went and did the math on how much damage a pet did on a target dummy, then subtracted that from all the rangers weapons.  :why_so_serious:

I'm probably wrong, but it feels like Teq is going to be the new Jormag. By now people do the encounter for loot, not for the encounter itself. Jormag is still boring as all hell and I avoid it unless he's in phase 3 - in which case I'll come along and mooch free loot :D

I love my rangers, but watching their pets die to aggro/aoe/agony etc makes me cry. They need to share agony resist with their owner at the minimum, have reduced aoe damage (not negated - rangers should have to micro them a bit) and should definitely have a switchable taunt (WoW does this well). That or reduce the god damn 60 second switch timer on pet death. I love losing a pet to agony and then switch only to lose the second one and be gimped.

That, or has been said time and time again, have a trait that locks the pet away and boosts the ranger's DPS.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: amiable on September 03, 2013, 07:35:38 AM


My thief feels slow compared to my perma swiftness/vigor engi.  It requires a bit of upkeep but you are certainly extremely mobile.

Trait perma-swiftness and add rocket boots (the tooltip is a high dps attack with a low cooldown as well).  It is among the most mobile classes in the game with these two abilities.   If you use medkit you don't have to constantly be switching kits either as you can stack a minute or two of swiftness with moderate boon duration buffs and using medkit 5.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on September 03, 2013, 12:19:02 PM
Also if you are not broke runes of the traveler are pretty much perfect for engis now.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on September 03, 2013, 09:09:05 PM
I would straight up drop about 30 bucks for one of the rainbow farting clouds from infantile mode.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: amiable on September 04, 2013, 06:53:36 AM
Also if you are not broke runes of the traveler are pretty much perfect for engis now.

I would disagree, engineers can easily run perma-swiftness or near perma swiftness in a variety of builds.  That overrides the runspeed bonus of travelers (unless travelers is a unique mechanism that stacks run speed boosts, but that would be a departure from every other speed boosting ability).


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Phred on September 05, 2013, 02:47:22 AM
Also if you are not broke runes of the traveler are pretty much perfect for engis now.

I would disagree, engineers can easily run perma-swiftness or near perma swiftness in a variety of builds.  That overrides the runspeed bonus of travelers (unless travelers is a unique mechanism that stacks run speed boosts, but that would be a departure from every other speed boosting ability).

Kinda a  fiddle fucky way to to get perma swiftness though.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on September 05, 2013, 07:24:23 AM
I did guild events tonight, the guild JP chest dropped a Angchu Weapon Chest that allowed me to choose an Ascended weapon with Power/Toughness/Crit Damage on it.

Not much use on my warrior but my engineer rocks it with Flamethrower spec and toughness converting to power trait.

Nice to see that I've saved myself 2 weeks of crafting :)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on September 05, 2013, 08:53:51 AM
Also if you are not broke runes of the traveler are pretty much perfect for engis now.

I would disagree, engineers can easily run perma-swiftness or near perma swiftness in a variety of builds.  That overrides the runspeed bonus of travelers (unless travelers is a unique mechanism that stacks run speed boosts, but that would be a departure from every other speed boosting ability).

Kinda a  fiddle fucky way to to get perma swiftness though.


Everyone should have a 25% signet.  Since there are no mounts, swiftness is essentially the GW2 mount.  In this light, it's silly to say "some classes must spend trait points for a mount and others just get one for no trait points."  As an engineer who doesn't use the toolbelt kit, it's extra painful to lose 10 points just to not be slow.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on September 05, 2013, 03:47:09 PM
I don't quite see it that way.
My Ranger/Eles/Thieves/Necro can use a signet but that's a Skill Slot gone that removes some versatility from what they do. My Warriors on the other hand trait it as it's in a line that I max, freeing up a slot. The trait is interchangeable just as a signet is. All classes can put traveller runes on - I dropped some power on my engineer to do so (I had Flame Citadel runes on) but am not fiddling with kits and played with my gear to make it back up.

My Guardians and Mesmers can grant run speed to my group, but not permanently. It's a trade off but it's what they do and in a WvW group it's a godsend. No class is perfect, but all do useful things. Only necros get access to all 3 options (trait/sig/rune) and ele's get staff swiftness for the group.

Builds are about compromise, if you want X you give up Y.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on September 05, 2013, 03:59:38 PM
Run speed isn't something that should require a big tradeoff for, though. A slot skill, especially on some classes, isn't actually that big a deal, but being forced down a trait line or use a specific weapon you otherwise hate (like I really kind of hate focus for mesmer) is. Like Crumbs said, it's not like there are mounts or anything in this game to put people on a level playing field, and in WvW, I would much prefer everyone be able to keep up instead of have stragglers because the field combo cap left them out and now they're juuuuust enough behind that the guardian swiftness puddles fade juuuust before they get to them (this has happened to my mesmer so many fucking times, and no my own runspeed group buff is not enough to catch me up). I don't like that some classes have to give up more than others to have a non-painful run speed, and think that's a weird imbalance to allow.

Clearly the answer is to UP THE BASE RUNNING SPEED.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on September 10, 2013, 09:48:26 AM
17th patch preview is up:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/september-17-2013/

Teq update as promised, LFG tool (yay for me, I think everyone else hates dungeons BUT I WANT PRETTY ARMOR)

WvW is gaining a new bloodlust buff to replace Orbs. Kinda iffy on that one.

Many other world bosses updated to not be mindless dps fests, supposedly.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: EWSpider on September 10, 2013, 10:30:29 AM
I don't get the hate for dungeons.  Most of the paths are super easy and there are only really a few "hard" ones.  I've done hundreds of dungeon runs (have my DM title as well) and every single run has been a pickup group.  I've had maybe 3 or 4 bad groups in all of those runs.  At this stage of the game most people know the paths by heart and can do them in their sleep, so even if you get 1 or 2 noobs in the group (or are one yourself) the other group members are always quick to explain whatever is necessary.  My best guess is people tried to do them while under geared and had difficulty.  If you had a bad experience previously give it another shot, especially if you are 80 now.  There are very few paths that take more than 30 minutes, and a lot of them can be done in far less time.  You can find a group in seconds using http://gw2lfg.com/ and next patch the lfg tool will make it even easier.  Anyhow, just throwing that out there if anyone has thought about trying dungeons again.


Edit:  Oh, and if you are new to a particular dungeon path just make sure you say so at the beginning of the run.  People don't mind explaining the encounters if you make them aware ahead of time.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on September 10, 2013, 10:54:02 AM
I have had maybe 2 successful dungeon runs out of 15 or so tries if you don't include cof path 1, that one has a good 90% success rate.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on September 10, 2013, 10:55:27 AM
Definitely looking forward to the LFG tool. Honestly I didn't have many problems with pugging GW2 dungeons at all -- get a group with gw2lfg.com within minutes, go to the entrance, be done in 30 mins or less, profit. Didn't have any wipefests, even though it was my first time for all of them except for AC (which I ran to death in the first few months to get a set of PTV gear). A lot of the time the dungeon run consists of applying AOE blind / knockdowns to trash and knowing when to dodge on bosses, but there are some really interesting fights out there, too. Of course there are a few cockstabs (like Arah)... but I solve that problem by not running Arah.  :awesome_for_real: Oh yeah, fractals used to be finicky at times with bad pugs (hi swamp/dredge/cliffside), but the few times I LFG'd for low-level fractals were painless as well. Guess everyone knows when to do what by now?

That said: GW2 dungeoning is definitely unlike diku dungeoning. If anything, it reminds me of doing COH TFs without any tankers in the group... which certainly is enjoyable (one of my best COH PUGs was a 5-defender 2-controller 1-stalker ITF), but you lose a lot of the pacing offered by a traditional tank/healer/cc setup. It's a lot more "everyone look out for themselves, sync up damage cooldowns + use your group buffs/cleanses as appropriate, get downed people up ASAP unless it'd kill you too". As someone who plays a healer and/or tank in almost every game, this took some getting used to... and it doesn't scratch the same dungeoning itches as running a heroic in WOW/Rift/SWTOR. ymmv.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on September 10, 2013, 11:36:20 AM
So i'm one ingredient away from crafting my first Ascended weapon.

And by one I mean 492 Dragonite Ore. How I have collected everything else and next to none of that baffles me a little.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on September 10, 2013, 11:39:31 AM
Wish i could send you some of mine, i'm going on my third stack.  World bosses, you'll get most done right after reset.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: EWSpider on September 10, 2013, 12:03:13 PM
So i'm one ingredient away from crafting my first Ascended weapon.

And by one I mean 492 Dragonite Ore. How I have collected everything else and next to none of that baffles me a little.

Find your server's World Boss zerg train and hop on.  You'll have 500 Dragonite in two nights easily.  Temples and Dragons give the most.  If you can't find the zerg use this to know when to be where:

http://us.gw2stuff.com/en/overlay

If you don't like using an app you can just use the website instead:

http://us.gw2stuff.com/en/events/gate-of-madness


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on September 10, 2013, 12:12:01 PM
Thanks guys.

These account bound mats are a pain in my mostly casual playing ass. I have been able to get some more free time to play lately, but generally speaking a purchase at least a portion of my mats for all crafting off the BLT. I wouldn't even have a level 400 crafter, let alone a Grandmaster if I had to gather everything myself.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on September 10, 2013, 12:15:22 PM
It's even worse for someone like me who plays a lot but doesn't want to bother with crafting until prices settle down.  I have an alt with 10 slot bags full of dust, that's 60 stacks already.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on September 10, 2013, 12:21:40 PM
Temples and Dragons have me down to 1 dragonite ore left.

I've got another day of quickly running a zone chest circuit on my 80s for the Shards as well, then I can make something.

Just.. not really sure what I want. I think I'll just make the zerk longbow for my ranger. Everything else I'm playing right now is condition spec for WvW and gives few fucks about ascended weapons.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on September 10, 2013, 03:24:48 PM
I had enough mats to get to 500 and am now having to restock my mats together for my first berserker ascended weapon. I'm tossing up between greatsword and axe although axe/mace is my primary set.

The time-gating shits me and may kill my interest in the game if they keep it up.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on September 10, 2013, 04:04:42 PM
What did it take to get to 500? current guides have it at around 200g cost to raise the skill, which is nuts.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on September 10, 2013, 04:22:29 PM
What did it take to get to 500? current guides have it at around 200g cost to raise the skill, which is nuts.

Theorycost. You probably already have a lot of the stuff.

Basically, refine T6 mats (ori, whatever) until it's green/grey, then combine for your ascended ores until 475, then make six to ten random exotics.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on September 10, 2013, 04:51:17 PM
What did it take to get to 500? current guides have it at around 200g cost to raise the skill, which is nuts.

I figure it cost me between 80-100g to go from 400-500 but I had a few T6 mats saved up.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on September 11, 2013, 01:59:28 AM
I had a lot of mats already but even so it set me back 56 gold. Refining is the big key to it and sell off your lesser mats that you aren't using.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on September 11, 2013, 03:09:06 AM
Pretty good overview of what they are doing to the WvW borderlands: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/wuv/wuv/Bloodlust-in-the-Borderlands-Details


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Dark_MadMax on September 11, 2013, 03:39:43 AM
I have had maybe 2 successful dungeon runs out of 15 or so tries if you don't include cof path 1, that one has a good 90% success rate.

ehhh  I dunno I had no major problems with mainstream dungeons. I even  got to like lvl 35 fractals  with 90% success rate . Only the ones I  had problem with are those  which- no one runs those ever (like arah explorable)

All the regular content updates in the game proved too much pressure for me though - like if you miss the content patch, its poof - gone, you never see it again. defeats purpose of casually playing game



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tmon on September 11, 2013, 11:29:56 AM
The regular patches have gotten me to play more, if the event is interesting to me I play it, if not I just wait for the next one.  That you only miss out on a title and some pretty loot for most of them pretty much makes them painless to skip.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on September 11, 2013, 03:47:07 PM
I bumped an Elementalist up to 20 and gave it a whirl this morning and... wow I am awful.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Maledict on September 11, 2013, 06:03:15 PM
Elements list is probably the hardest class to learn, especially at the start. Also due to the mechanics I really can't recommend jumping to 20 because they have so many abilities to use at once and you need to learn how to weave between them to survive.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on September 12, 2013, 09:29:01 AM
Jumping one to 20 shouldn't be that bad. But they are strangely squishy until suddenly their bunker specs work. There's no slow ramp up into being able to survive and pull 10 mobs at a time easily, it's just a sudden tipping point.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on September 13, 2013, 03:26:59 PM
https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/October-15th-balance-skills-updates-preview

Interesting. High level preview of class changes coming in October.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Yoru on September 16, 2013, 08:24:16 AM
So I got this a couple months back and have been playing exceedingly casually. This past weekend, thanks to jetlag, I put in a few more hours than usual, and got my warrior into the early 70s. I must say it felt like smacking directly into a content brick wall; there's one zone with a bunch of group events that are always empty and another with just enough content to get from 70 to 72 before everything's too high-level to kill alone.

What's a guy to do here? Spend a bunch of cash on crafting? Go farm a whole bunch of 30-60 zones' content? Literally farm mobs and event failures in that 70-75 maritime zone in the south of the map?

Help?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on September 16, 2013, 08:33:44 AM
You won't level any slower doing lower level content, that's how the game is designed.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Yoru on September 16, 2013, 08:45:30 AM
You won't level any slower doing lower level content, that's how the game is designed.

Cool, thanks. I'll go slum it then.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on September 16, 2013, 09:01:02 AM
Yeah, you also get mostly (like, 90%) drops for your actual level from lower level mobs. The whole downleveling thing is one of the very best bits of pve, even if it doesn't handle high level well geared characters at all in any zone below level 60 (you basically one shot shit because the content isn't scaled for exotic gear)

edit: If it's not broken on your server, there's an event in northern Harathi Hinterlands that is the usual powerleveling spot. Use food + oil (for the xp bonuses, so even level 10 food works), and go nuts.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on September 16, 2013, 09:02:20 AM
You won't level any slower doing lower level content, that's how the game is designed.

Cool, thanks. I'll go slum it then.

You can also level in WvW if

A)  Your server has a decent population in there capturing objectives.  Just follow the group and xp rolls in; I've found that the last 10 levels really fly in WvW.
B)  You like WvW

If you're more inclined to head to the lower level areas, just do as many events as possible.  Queensdale now has a zerg group doing the events racetrack style, usually with a commander tag (again, depends on your server).  

If you're on a low pop server and are bummed out by empty zones, you might want to consider a transfer or reroll.  It won't get any better once you hit 80.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Yoru on September 16, 2013, 10:00:25 AM
edit: If it's not broken on your server, there's an event in northern Harathi Hinterlands that is the usual powerleveling spot. Use food + oil (for the xp bonuses, so even level 10 food works), and go nuts.

If that's the Modniir centaur one, I tried that one once when I was appropriately-leveled for the zone and there were like 3 other people doing it with me. We failed hard on the final boss. Also, I hate centaurs. Them and Risen Brutes. Fuck getting launch ping-ponged by multiple dudes, it's not fun.

You can also level in WvW if

A)  Your server has a decent population in there capturing objectives.  Just follow the group and xp rolls in; I've found that the last 10 levels really fly in WvW.
B)  You like WvW

If you're more inclined to head to the lower level areas, just do as many events as possible.  Queensdale now has a zerg group doing the events racetrack style, usually with a commander tag (again, depends on your server). 

If you're on a low pop server and are bummed out by empty zones, you might want to consider a transfer or reroll.  It won't get any better once you hit 80.

I'm on Gunnar's Hold (Int'l EU), which seems to control at least 50% of the WvW screen every time I open it; I've gotten into the zerg twice, but I can't quite figure out my place in WvW yet. Going to the frontlines = near instant death. Hanging around in the back = event XP only.

I've definitely seen the Queensdale champion train; people even announce the next objective in /map. So there seems to be a decent enough population for the established activities, just nothing in the 70-75 range. I figure everyone who's in that range is pretty much in a guild or something.

I did just spring for an orange greatsword, so I might play reaper in one of the 30-60 zones. Kill twenty dudes? Sure, that's just a bit of training and a Hundred Blades.  :drill:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on September 16, 2013, 10:30:37 AM
As a warrior, spec for some level of survival (15-20 in the defense tree) and make sure your gear has at least one tank stat on it. Then make sure you have dolyak signet or balanced stance on your bar. You should be comically survivable in WvW, just keep moving and you'll learn when to dive and when to gtfo.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Yoru on September 16, 2013, 10:40:36 AM
As a warrior, spec for some level of survival (15-20 in the defense tree) and make sure your gear has at least one tank stat on it. Then make sure you have dolyak signet or balanced stance on your bar. You should be comically survivable in WvW, just keep moving and you'll learn when to dive and when to gtfo.

Last time I went in with my warrior was probably in the 30s or early 40s, still wearing late-20s +power gear and without a single point in defense. My current gear is power/vitality and I've got 15 points in defense, I think, (the one that gives extra regen for higher adrenaline levels) so I'll give it another shot some time.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: EWSpider on September 16, 2013, 11:55:32 AM
Go to Frostgorge Sound.  Make sure you have the necessary Waypoints discovered to follow this map:

http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/gw2-champions-frostgorge-sound-map2.jpg

Ask in /map where the train is.  Follow the above sequence once you've found the train.

Profit.

It should be good xp and you'll rake in the gold.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on September 16, 2013, 12:05:02 PM
I've never seen our zerg do ooze .  Honestly, I just do fish, kodan, norn and then skip over to drake.  I tend to miss wurm about 50% of the time because the zerg gets it so fast and then you have to hope you load really quick and that people aren't already killing drake.  And troll is just as bad as you can then miss troll entirely due to super mario jump misses and then you'll maybe miss fish.  

I have the worst luck with exotic drops.  A harpoon and a trident two days ago and then a bow with terrible stats yesterday.

I'm getting pretty bored with the champ farming, but it is good money, especially if you can upgrade the rare crafting mats.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Draegan on September 16, 2013, 01:07:39 PM
So how are classes these days? I haven't played in quite some time and the last time I did:

I had a 60+ Mesmer that was kind of meh. Cool shatter or condition build. Real squishy, but didn't feel satisfying.
I had a 70+ Engineer that is just hurts playing. I was playing a shotgun like build where I would jump into a mob, blow it up and knock it back. Was kind of fun, but a lot of work for not much damage comparatively.
I had a 80 Necro that I really enjoyed playing as a pool/power build. Condition builds were annoying to me in any multi person fight because of stacking issues.

I had a 30+ Thief that was entertaining, but it got boring.

I never got past 20 with a Guardian/Warrior/Ranger/Ele

Has anything changed that made some of these classes much better? I would really like to dive back into my necro or engi but they had real limited builds. Also Ranger pets were always ass.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on September 16, 2013, 01:14:09 PM
Worm and Troll I can never hit on JQ. Too large a zerg, and shit tends to drop in under 10 seconds.


As for classes: Mesmers are amazing, wonderful, and fucking awful to actually play imo.

Warriors are little gods with amazing access to everything who should never be allowed to whine about shit since their condi removal issues were worked on.

Necros are little gods with amazing access to everything but stability who should never be allowed to whine about shit, ever. But if you want to play condi you need to use exotics in order to steal room in the bleed stacks (basically if you're capping out a champ, it will prioritize the people with the highest bleed damage. Be that person, or use a power spec.)

Engineers are fiddly fucks. I enjoy playing mine, but dear lord does that class make you put in work to do the same shit everyone else has on one skill bar. They're amazing (especially condi, but same rules as condi necros in a group), but holy shit does it get tiring to play after a while.

I switched from a zerker nerco using the 100% crit in DS build to full condition (using Rabid and Dire) and that wonky condition spike build with dhuumfire and terror. It's absolute bullshit in WvW, and pretty bullshit in PVE as well. The only real thing it's bad at is tagging champs in the frostgorge train. But Epidemic in large encounters like Aether farms? Amazing.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Draegan on September 16, 2013, 01:16:43 PM
I remember trying forever to get a DS build to work. Never really did.

What wonky condition build are you using with those runes?

Outside that, looks like nothing really changed.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on September 16, 2013, 01:49:39 PM
Power DS specs are 30/0/0/0/30. 10 free points people usually put in spite. They rely heavily on the new GM trait that gives you +50% crit in DS, so you wander around tossing out 6-8k lifeblasts like it's going out of style.


Personally, I'm running 30/20/0/0/20, which is a dhuumfire/terror build.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fQQQNArYWjMaF7tbKb87JEoH9CuAiRKOmghSR5kOA-jEyAINBRaBIVJQ5wioxWNLiGrmBTlSEV7RKiWtQAPWDA-w

At least one of those Rabid items is secretly Dire, because Rabid is hard to come by. But all but two pieces you can buy for temple Karma if you're sitting on 600k or so. Signet of Spite  can be swapped for Corrupt Boon if you're planning on hitting a bunch of guardian abusers, it's primary purpose in life is just to give you something long ranged and rapid to spread with epidemic.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on September 16, 2013, 01:54:40 PM
I switched from a zerker nerco using the 100% crit in DS build to full condition (using Rabid and Dire) and that wonky condition spike build with dhuumfire and terror. It's absolute bullshit in WvW, and pretty bullshit in PVE as well. The only real thing it's bad at is tagging champs in the frostgorge train. But Epidemic in large encounters like Aether farms? Amazing.

I'm running the Zerker 100% crit DS build on my Necro and having pretty limited success in WvW. Partly this is me because I'm just not very good at it right now, but I think I would do a better job with a different spec and keep looking at full condition.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on September 16, 2013, 02:03:07 PM
I switched from a zerker nerco using the 100% crit in DS build to full condition (using Rabid and Dire) and that wonky condition spike build with dhuumfire and terror. It's absolute bullshit in WvW, and pretty bullshit in PVE as well. The only real thing it's bad at is tagging champs in the frostgorge train. But Epidemic in large encounters like Aether farms? Amazing.

I'm running the Zerker 100% crit DS build on my Necro and having pretty limited success in WvW. Partly this is me because I'm just not very good at it right now, but I think I would do a better job with a different spec and keep looking at full condition.

Zerker can basically burst someone down before they can blink. But it lacks staying power in my mind. Condi allows you to disengage without completely removing pressure from the target. But be aware that condi's meta is a bit too strong right now and will likely eat a nerf in the near future.

Right now Condition builds are absolutely destroying small scale pvp, and hit a wall against organized WvW due to stacked AE condition removal. As long as you're okay with that and understand that sometimes you won't be able to dent a group, it's awesome.

Also: epidemic steals other people's conditions and applies them with your condition damage to the new targets. I have done a comical amount of damage by spreading 10stacks of confusion and guardian burns all over the place. Why does that skill only have a 15s cooldown, WHY?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on September 16, 2013, 04:44:52 PM
Necros are little gods with amazing access to everything but stability or block or vigor or invulnerability, making them the class with the worst defense in the game.

So yeah, they do have something to whine about.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on September 16, 2013, 04:47:49 PM
Ehh, not really. Their incredibly long health bar and lifestealing makes up for a lot of that.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on September 16, 2013, 05:04:13 PM
Not even close.  The entire game seems designed around dodging or blocking big attacks, and Necromancers are hands down the worst at doing that.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on September 16, 2013, 05:16:55 PM
Maybe in PVE. In WvW necromancers are very noticably slower for me to kill than, say, elementalists, engineers, or rangers.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on September 16, 2013, 06:11:34 PM
Necro's big weakness is just the lack of stability, if they had access to easy stability they would be utterly overpowered. They also have the added bonus of having a universal zerg weapon in staff. Doesn't matter what spec you are, or even what level, equip staff, collect bacon. Very similar to thieves and shortbow, just a standard secondary zerg weapon to carry around.


Warrior's are just like, in the wrong game currently. They passively regen more health the most classes can actively heal and spam long duration stuns like it was DaoC before immunity timers. They can stack ridiculous amounts of stability, invulnerability and condition removal and baseline have more armor and hp then most bunker specs. They also have one of the best long range weapons in the game that they hardly ever use because their melee weapons are just that good. There's a reason your standard WvW zerg is like 30% warrior.


Ranger's are the best at anything where their pet A) lives and B) hits. This is sadly limited to Solo PvE and defending nodes in SPvP. They have bunker specs that make them immortal and single target condition damage comparable to necros. Their power builds are sub par, but they can tag zergs easily enough. Contribute not as much, but tag easy. In large scale stuff, the pet just gets jibbed and it's gone and your at 75% power at best. Really fucking good at solo pve though, if your goal is just casual leveling and exploration, can't go wrong with the ranger.


Mesmers are portal/veil/timewarp bots.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on September 17, 2013, 01:25:16 AM
Necros are pretty good in WvW (I live a surprisingly long time, considering I am upleveled when I play her), but I prefer my staff elementalist for that when I'm being "serious." I just ... I really like dropping fields for people, I guess. A lot.

I want to love my mesmer, but it's pretty meh in WvW. My main role as a mesmer seems to be "help golems get around and tear down doors faster." I wish GW2 mesmers were more like GW1 mesmers, basically.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Yoru on September 17, 2013, 03:44:07 AM
Warrior's are just like, in the wrong game currently. They passively regen more health the most classes can actively heal and spam long duration stuns like it was DaoC before immunity timers. They can stack ridiculous amounts of stability, invulnerability and condition removal and baseline have more armor and hp then most bunker specs. They also have one of the best long range weapons in the game that they hardly ever use because their melee weapons are just that good. There's a reason your standard WvW zerg is like 30% warrior.

Which ranged weapon is that? I currently use the rifle as my ranged weapon, largely because I like the aesthetic. I found a shitty gun with a cool model a while back and I've been transmuting it onto all my newer, better-statted rifle finds. It's also nice as I can stay at range when fighting special mobs and bosses.

The longbow is just too Legolas for my taste, but if it's better at Murderin' Folks, I'll use it in WvW.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on September 17, 2013, 03:57:48 AM
A lot of tears over warriors being OP on the forums - it makes me love my warrior even more.

I so want to try this, going to take one of my warriors into WvW with it tonight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5FiSGEhyxM


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on September 17, 2013, 04:02:53 AM
Longbow yes. (Rifle is fine too mind you, just more gimmicky)

Most ranger would walk over their own mothers to get their hands on the warrior longbow. It works for either power or condition builds, doesn't need much (if any) trait support and has some of the best individual skills in the game that also all work together as a complete weapon. It's also a bag farming machine.


It's just usually overshadowed by stuff like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_syOEID1nU


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on September 17, 2013, 04:30:01 AM
Well, there is veil and feedback too, but yeah. I'd say staff elementalist is the best class for a wvw zerg. Playing a warrior is much more personally rewarding (longbow / greatsword for a combination of ranged aoe tagging and high melee damage + mobility), but a well-placed elementalist field can swing the balance of the battle right there. Though in practice I find that most group v group engagements depend on who gets the jump on the other first, which is where portals / veil matter a lot.

Warrior survivability is pretty good in general pve, too. My [staff or S/D] ele feels a lot more squishy in dungeons, even though my warrior is in full zerker gear and my elementalist is in a mix of PTV and Celestial. However, I'll say that the warrior needs a bit of support to be effective: someone making sure that the trash mobs aren't attacking the warrior (via aggro stealing or aoe blinds), or putting down fields to whirl around in. Only weakness is condition damage, at least in the cookie cutter 'omg max dps' build that I use right now...


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on September 17, 2013, 04:36:52 AM
Just thought I'd share my main warrior Setanta De Danaan (PvE spec 30/0/0/10/30 Axe/Mace + Greatsword) and his weapon skins:


The GS skin is why I am in no rush for a legendary and I love the back-piece. I have had them since their respective events and finally decided to equip them rather than cash them in on the market. He runs knight's gear with ascended jewellery.

So far the GS is ascended Zojja's (berserker) and I'm hoping to make the axe tonight or tomorrow followed by the mace in another 4-5 days.

My alt warrior Cuchulain De Danaan runs full berserker in the same spec - I love the Greatsword - and it was a cheap karma one at that:



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Draegan on September 17, 2013, 08:30:46 AM
That warrior video is crazy. The guy never took any damage.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on September 17, 2013, 08:59:43 AM
The rifle warrior? At least in the first half nobody actually targeted him for some reason. The fight in the lord's room was particularly bad for that in that I didn't see that many friendlies and everyone was just letting him walk around.

But in zerg fights a decent amount of the fight is determined by how well your tanky folks draw attention and how well your dps-y folks pick out soft targets. If we're doing well at that, I'll frequently take nearly no damage during a clash on my necro. If we're doing poorly at it, I'll get chain stunned into the dirt in seconds.

The one time that's not the goal (avoid tanks, kill squishies) is if you have Corrupt Boon up and want to snipe one of their guardian tanks. That skill is seriously dickish against Guardians and I laugh every time one goes into bullshit bunker mode just to immediately die to boon stripping/some other dude hitting him once + auto spinal shivers.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on September 17, 2013, 09:09:18 AM
re:  Necro

Apparently I'm getting very lucky or doing something right in WvW, as my Necro hardly ever dies.  The extra health and DS have been mentioned a million times.  Also plague:  for some reason I stop getting attacked when I pop it.  

Necro is great for getting people to stop attacking you.  People tend to run away when they set off a staff mark, especially chillblains.  That and Plague 3 cause cripples which usually cause panic.  People also tend to run away when feared :)  Staff 5.

Staff 4 is a blast finisher which should be placed at your feet when your group has stacked and put fields down.  Get some of that sweet combo lovin.

I've gone back to using wells.  If you've got suffering/corruption/power on your bar, plop them down during big fights and watch what happens.  It was difficult for me to give up epidemic, as a successful hit would cause a million bags to drop, but the advantage of wells to my allies and I was so obvious after a few big battles that I don't miss it as much.

Here's the build (I found it on the forums with a search for "wellomancer."  It's working quite nicely):

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/necromancer/?5.0|7.1g.h2.g.1g.h1|6.1g.h15|1n.7r.1g.7r.1n.7r.1g.7r.1n.7r.1g.7r|2t.d13.2v.d1a.3v.d16.2v.d14.3v.d16.2v.d14|0.p60.p57.k38.0|15.7|3r.4d.4a.48.4f|e


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on September 17, 2013, 11:29:10 AM
https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-17-September


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on September 17, 2013, 12:47:35 PM
Looking like all the leaked class changes are still pending for the mid-october patch. So this is just boss updates, WVW map/bloodlust change, and bug fixes.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: apocrypha on September 17, 2013, 02:03:43 PM
Is the LFG tool in this update?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on September 17, 2013, 02:09:11 PM
It's in limited beta like the trading house at launch.  And making a world boss so easily griefed is fucking retarded.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on September 17, 2013, 03:10:25 PM
My server has not figured him out yet.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on September 17, 2013, 03:16:05 PM
Pretty sure no one has, even with people doing the right thing on the cannons and about 100 people dpsing him you still only get him to like 75%.  We had a dev helping us and didn't get him under 90%.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on September 18, 2013, 09:35:45 AM
Blackgate took him down last night apparently, with over 120 people in TS.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on September 18, 2013, 05:08:10 PM
After playing last night I wondered which Blizzard devs had just moved to the GW2 team. They've ramped the difficulty up a tad too high.

Gollem MK2 is togher but ok, Wurm and SB are fine, FE is a prick as melee and on a 180 ping, Teq was un-doable with 50 randoms.

I was already ignoring Jormag because it was tedious and not fun. Teq is now added to that list.

For bosses that drop shitty greens and blues, the time/effort is ridiculous and when you factor in having to do them for mats for ascended I really questioned the game for the first time since release.

They have made the horrible assumption that after 12 months of the game, these bosses should be harder, despite the fact that on Yak's Bend, we always had enough people to take them down and the fine balance between numbers and difficulty were there. I'll be interested to see where the fine line between numbers and overflow is.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Draegan on September 18, 2013, 05:22:17 PM
I completely disagree. Games need challenging content and this game only challenges your patience with the farming. All the content doesn't need to be hard, but I think they did a pretty good job making one encounter pretty difficult. Probably needs tuning, but soemthing that isn't immediately facerolled by everyone is a good thing.

It gives the game depth.

If they made all the other bosses "hard" by just adding hps so all you are doing is safely wacking away at it for an extra 10 minutes, that's just bad design.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on September 18, 2013, 06:04:02 PM
I'm probably just going to ignore Teq until they tune him lower.  Easy enough to do, I've got toons to level.  

I don't really want to bother with team speak and/or fail because some goofball grabbed the turrets or we don't have decent PVE commanders on.

Luckily there's a lot to do when you've been away for a long time.  SAB and this haven't exactly wowed me.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Yoru on September 19, 2013, 07:01:13 AM
I tried the Tequila fight last night since it popped up right before bed, as well as the new Golem.

On the one hand, some of the mechanics are kinda fun for a bit. Evading poison clouds/electrical bursts and jumping over waves/fists is kinda neat; it's all on your own timing and skill.

On the other hand, after 50+ people pounding at Tequila for ten minutes, it was down maybe 5% health. The golem was similar - a brief (SNES-Megaman-like) attack cycle, but a huge sponge of HP so it took somewhere on the order of 13 minutes to grind through. Shooting for minutes on end at an essentially stationary object isn't fun, it's tedious.

Less HP and more active play would be nice. Perhaps stuff akin to the Jormag bits where you have to make him vulnerable by doing slightly different things; you know, take down the protection, then shoot the weak spot. Just like an old SNES shooter.

As is, I prefer the old taxiing-to-victory autoattack bosses.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on September 19, 2013, 08:36:32 AM
Having one big badass boss is fine in my books and I'll probably ignore it for the most part. We got it down to 75% last night and my reward was 2 greens.  :oh_i_see:

Not a whole lot of incentive to go back other than "hey we finally did it and I was there for the first time".

I respec'd my Warrior last night though and decided to see how terrible I could be in WvW, and it was pretty damn fun with the new control points and some smaller group fights. Our matchup this week ran away from us, so there isn't a lot of reason to go out into the Borderlands, but that was pretty good time.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on September 19, 2013, 09:01:32 AM
The difficulty of Teq is hardly the point.  The comparative difficulty of completing Teq on an overflow vs a home server is the point.

Home servers have public voice chat channels and guild coordination.  Overflows are random people from random servers. 

It's a lame change.  It's an answer to the call for raids, except it's a 15 minute sudden death raid at random times with random people.  I imagine one would need a third hand and some fleet enemas to do this and poop in a sock successfullly. 

Luckily it's mediocre loot and not necessary at all.  If the other chest events are made like this, I wish this game luck.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on September 23, 2013, 11:41:58 AM
Apparently I stumbled on a serious Teq attempt last night.  Usually if it's even moderately close to expected Teq time or there's an organized attempt, the zone boots me to an overflow. Decided to stick around.

Despite what looked like an attempt that wasn't going to get it done, Teq scampered off at like maybe 3%, if that.   There were no serious mess ups.  And yet, still didn't down him.  That's got to be a bit frustrating, but the response from the pins reminded me why I don't do organized PvE much.  Instead of "good job, we'll get him next time" it was mostly "you guys suck dick.  do I need to bring my warrior? jesus, dps, learn how to do damage.  why is this so fucking hard for you retards? etc etc etc"

edit: It's funny, none of my toons are geared in "optimal" Teq gear, at least for the DPS stack.   They're either a bit too squishy, a bit too crit based or a bit too condition damage.  I guess this fight favors high vit/to/power builds.  Seemed to do really well at the turret defense, however.

Once the luster has worn off and there's a new build out, is anyone going to bother doing Teq?  The non-organized attempt I saw (same day as other) barely even damaged him.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on September 23, 2013, 02:16:04 PM

Once the luster has worn off and there's a new build out, is anyone going to bother doing Teq?  The non-organized attempt I saw (same day as other) barely even damaged him.


This, other than the achievement for doing it - there's no real reason for me to keep going to this event already. My luck for good drops is awful and I hate running off from whatever I am doing to go fail an event over and over. It's already not worth my time, especially when you compare it to Scarlet's invasion and the jackpot each of those was.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on September 23, 2013, 04:12:56 PM
I'm already ignoring it as hard as I can. I'd rather they kept the ball-kicking raid shit in their own little corner instead of deciding to make world bosses harder or whatever, but ... eh. Ignorable enough.

I ignore a lot of shit in this game, I've noticed.   :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on September 23, 2013, 04:14:40 PM
Pretty easy to do that when there's no sub fee.  I have serious doubts I'll ever do a regular dungeon or fractal.  I may some day finish my thief's personal story.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on September 23, 2013, 04:23:45 PM
Furthest I've gotten on the personal story was somewhere in the 50's before going "fuck it, I just don't care." I like the early stuff well enough, when it has little shout-outs to the stuff you picked during chargen as your background and such, but once you pick an order it gets way bland.

Also the voice acting is so bad. Soooo bad. It's a good illustration of how important directors are.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tannhauser on September 23, 2013, 04:28:30 PM
I ignore a lot of shit as well.  Basically right now I'm exploring and fighting/doing quests that arise from said exploring.  When I get bored, I hop to an alt, rinse and repeat.  But I personally don't like the story quests/dungeons and don't give much of shit for fractals and PVP.  More power to those that do.

A huge fucking world with lots of nooks and crannies along with best in class combat.  Love it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on September 23, 2013, 04:41:55 PM
I WvW once or twice a month. Other than that I just don't see anything worth doing in the game for me that I haven't already done, and I find the replayability of a lot of this stuff very low. I thought about trying to level another class to try in WvW, and the only way I can stick with it is just by leveling IN WvW, every time I try to PVE I get bored with the repetitiveness of it all about 15 minutes in.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on September 23, 2013, 06:02:51 PM
I just finished 100% world completion for the second time, have crafted 3 ascended weapons, completed personal story including Arah on 5 characters, done guild rushes and puzzles and challenges, run fractals and dungeons and done WvW.

The game has lost its shine for me and Teq etc isn't going to solve that.

Teq is a clusterfuck decision by Aanet. Like SAB2.0 they polarised their user base but this time took away a part of the daily chance to get precursers/ectos/ascended mats because of the need for heavy organisation in what was a casual-friendly game. People liked coming in, taking a shot at old Teq and walking away having fun and loot for 5 min and moving on. New Teq should have been called "New Big Angry Motherfucker Dragon", stuck in a living story zone as an option. That way the status quo wouldn't have been as badly disturbed by an old/new dragon that needed 80+ coordinated people killing him. He also should have had scaling on him.

My old game play used to be; family time, log in, dailies, chest bosses, fractal or dungeon, log out. It was fun because I could... have fun. They then upped the hit points on Wurm and Gollum making them.... boring. Seriously, what the hell were they thinking? To make these challenging... you can hit them some more. They also over-tuned the electricity grid on gollum making it difficult for higher ping players (fire elemental shares this issue). It should have had increasing damage the longer you stayed in it, not what appears (at 180 international ping) to be a nuke on my warrior. What really shits me is that to have a better chance at survival on these bosses, it's better for melee classes to equip ranged weapons. WTF????? This is fractal mindset at it's worst. In fact, it's the biggest design flaw in the game and has been there since day 1 as some bosses in dungeons are easier to range down.

Living story is shit. It's not interesting enough and doesn't bring much to the table. I rate it as just above personal story but only because it doesn't have Trahearne. They need to be thinking of opening up new lands/exploration or even an expansion.

WvW is stagnant - it needs something to get people in there. Maybe they should have put Teq in a borderland :D

I may be a touch jaded from overplaying the game I guess.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on September 23, 2013, 06:05:54 PM
Unfortunately the new WvW stuff isn't going to help - it's a win-more mechanic, which is the opposite of what it needs.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on September 23, 2013, 06:11:37 PM
I don't disagree with your assessments, Set, but..

I just finished 100% world completion for the second time, have crafted 3 ascended weapons, completed personal story including Arah on 5 characters, done guild rushes and puzzles and challenges, run fractals and dungeons and done WvW.

...

I may be a touch jaded from overplaying the game I guess.

Perhaps.

I'm so behind on everything, that I'm overplaying like hell (I usually don't play a single game for my entire gaming time, but I am here) and not yet feeling any burnout.  My alt-itis is making me a bit sick of leveling, however.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on September 23, 2013, 07:50:10 PM
Yeah, the new WvW thing is just terrible. I understand (I SUPPOSE) wanting to break up zergs some (as someone who likes the zerg, I am not a big fan of this ... there was already shit to do as a small havoc squad, dammit), but the way it's been done just makes the population imbalances even more glaring, because Server A might have 80 people in the zone and able to break into 40 and 40, while Server B only has 40 total (and Server C is asleep). So Server A has a zerg that can capture all the horseshit, so that the other zerg, when meeting equal numbers, has a huge buff to overpower Server B. And they get more points to boot!

Basically, it's like the relic problem in DAoC all over again, where the rich get richer and the lower population servers in a match up (even just from time zone to time zone) have even less reason to voluntarily get steamrolled. Bigger population was already an advantage, now you get a freaking buff for it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on September 24, 2013, 09:00:28 AM
Some weird changes indeed.  The only thing that concerns me is that the team sees Teq as a success because it's "hard," and changes the game to fit this model on a wider scale.  The final nail would be to ensure that the best loot comes from only the "hard" content. 

I put "hard" in quotes not only because I like to set up jokes, but because this event isn't fucking hard.  The game mechanics of spam clicking "join your buddy in the main instance" and having to camp for hours is the hard part.  The difficulty level of Teq is easier than the first boss in Icecrown Citadel (Marrowgar).  And when you die, you can WP and run back to the fight.

The stupid part of this event is that "we can haz raid now?"  but let's have the raid at random times with random people.  And instead of 10 or 25, or even the old days of 40 players, we have 80+, most of whom are in overflows with an even more random set of people! 

 :uhrr: :uhrr: :uhrr: :uhrr:
 :ye_gods: :ye_gods: :ye_gods: :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Venkman on September 24, 2013, 11:08:48 AM
I've been out for almost a year now, but have been thinking of coming back. I left just after Lost Shores launched, in part because I was playing at an addictive level that only 10 days of pneumonia could undo :-)

Anyway, just how lost will I be if I come back, and what should I pick up. Had an 80 Ele, 20 something Engy and a teens Mesmer. Keeping casually interested over the last 10 or so months it looks like most of the craziest changes were endgame type things, so is picking up and continuing an alt the best way to ease back in? And are all classes still pretty viable, or has there been some that have gotten much better while others have languished.

And no way am I asking any of this on the Oboards :wink:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on September 24, 2013, 11:38:46 AM
The best way to get into the game is to have a goal.  There is really not much of and endgame, ascended weapons and legendaries are a tiny improvement over exotic stuff.  Did you enjoy wvwvw? or pvp? do you like making your characters look just right? dungeons? exploring?  I finished my legendary a week or so ago and found myself playing very little because i no longer had a goal in mind. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on September 24, 2013, 05:07:17 PM
Also, I don't think the game is all that different.  The high volume of temporary content was just that:  temporary.  New skins and achievements basically.  Actual class changes have occurred but they're not so huge as to alter play style (in my experience).  (Do make sure to see if trait points have been refunded though!)

So if you were to just futz around with your toons as you like, I think it would be pretty easy to get back into the groove pretty fast.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tannhauser on September 24, 2013, 05:24:35 PM
I've been out for almost a year now, but have been thinking of coming back. I left just after Lost Shores launched, in part because I was playing at an addictive level that only 10 days of pneumonia could undo :-)

Anyway, just how lost will I be if I come back, and what should I pick up. Had an 80 Ele, 20 something Engy and a teens Mesmer. Keeping casually interested over the last 10 or so months it looks like most of the craziest changes were endgame type things, so is picking up and continuing an alt the best way to ease back in? And are all classes still pretty viable, or has there been some that have gotten much better while others have languished.

And no way am I asking any of this on the Oboards :wink:

I started and quit exactly when you did.  I don't see many changes honestly, but then again I don't pvp or do dungeons/fractals.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on September 24, 2013, 06:38:05 PM
If you don't do WvW (and even then the change isn't even a week old yet (I think?), so it's new for everyone) or dungeons/fractals, I don't think there's much different that isn't Living World nonsense, and right now the Living World thing is just derpy LOOK WE MADE THIS WORLD BOSS WAY HARDER that is easily ignored.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Venkman on September 25, 2013, 08:08:35 AM
Cool ok. I didn't PvP (in any flavor) nor dungeon much, so it's cool to know the game is still approachable. I loved the casual play coupled with the random social large scale outdoor raid type stuff with zone controls stuff. I'll patch on up this week and see what's what on Friday.

Did they ever fix it so that regardless of what guild you're "active" in (whatever that was called), you could still see who in what other guilds is online and and where they were?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on September 25, 2013, 09:28:36 AM
 :uhrr: SWAMP POOP EPISODE TEN MILLION :uhrr:

WTF is this bloodlust in WvW?  Logged in last night after a 2 week break and Orbs were back. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on September 25, 2013, 04:14:57 PM
Border Lands have 5 SPvP style capture points, hold 3 points for 2 minutes and you gain a stack of 'bloodlust' which gives you 50 bonus stats for each stack and most importantly, causes any STOMP you perform to add 1 point to your realms point total.

AKA: The OVERmanned buff. It's causing already lopsided matches to snowball into hell. I think something like 30-40% of Tier1 point totals are coming from Stomps now. I don't expect it to last longer then the first WvW season.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on September 25, 2013, 05:54:35 PM
It really is the usual problem of "I want a tangible gain for winning wvw!" followed by "oh yeah, if we do that suddenly winning becomes a snowball situation."

On the plus side, they're kind of fun to fight over most of the time.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on September 25, 2013, 07:16:44 PM
That hasn't been my experience. What I see happen is the zerg moves in, cleans them out and leaves a thief group to back cap to delay the flip until the zerg finishes its PPT objective and returns to clean out the middle again.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on September 26, 2013, 01:10:41 AM
So basically they decided that if the WvWers didn't want to go sPvP, they'd bring the sPvP to the WvWers whether they like it or not, with buffs so stupid they'll be forced to do it.  :uhrr:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: MediumHigh on September 26, 2013, 01:25:57 AM
Back in GW1 I pledge not to buy this game and nearly broke that pledge before I noticed the lack of team deathmatch. One year in ill wait for a second drop in price before scooping up the bargin bin, let the gf buy me diablo 3 cause it can't be that bad :drill:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on September 26, 2013, 09:48:04 AM
So basically they decided that if the WvWers didn't want to go sPvP, they'd bring the sPvP to the WvWers whether they like it or not, with buffs so stupid they'll be forced to do it.  :uhrr:

I really hope they don't NGE this game.  They're using this rapid fire content change model as an excuse to experiment with the live game.  I'm just a caveman, I fell on some ice and later I got thawed out by some of your scientists, but to me this seems like a bad thing.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: MediumHigh on September 26, 2013, 11:44:53 AM
Anet is historical bad at understand what make their pvp fun and is more apt to take the path of least resistance. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on September 27, 2013, 09:35:38 AM
I went to the Teq fight last night on GoM to get my daily and just see how far we had advanced in killing it.

There was maybe 20 people there? During primetime. I just ran around rezzing people for the daily and then afk'd for the last 8 minutes or so while the event finished. Apparently JQ guested to us at some point and killed the dragon for us and since then it's been a ghost town.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on September 27, 2013, 10:33:55 AM
I actually got in for a kill a few days ago.  It took me actually not getting into an overflow (I'm on JQ) and then pretty much goofing around in the zone for 2 hours until it started. 

I guess we were bad on DPS.  At least that's what the guy on vent kept telling everyone.  I think it was downed with a minute or two left.   Didn't really look like a full attempt, there must have been a number of AFKers or people just in the zone for other reasons. 

They need to make the effective number needed for these fights a lot lower, IMO.  I've heard he's scaled to 80 people, no matter how many you have.  I don't see myself making a grand effort to try this again.

Now, I'm trying to leveling a mesmer.  Trying being the key word.  I feel like I don't do any damage.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on September 27, 2013, 11:07:20 AM
I got a kill a few days ago too, the first 25% is the only real challenge after that it is just beating up on a punching bag.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on September 27, 2013, 02:50:21 PM
Now, I'm trying to leveling a mesmer.  Trying being the key word.  I feel like I don't do any damage.

Mesmers take a LONG time to start to feel good, unfortunately. I was like ... level 40 before I started thinking, "OK, I think I can dig this." And I only got that far because I bought the perfect outfit for him and GODDAMMIT I NEED TO LEVEL HIM TO JUSTIFY IT.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tannhauser on September 27, 2013, 04:06:01 PM
I have a token to level a class to 20.  I was going to use it for a Guardian but are Mesmers cool at 20?  I tried one from scratch and was unimpressed.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on September 27, 2013, 04:57:52 PM
Mesmers are cool at 60. Having illusions on dodge roll talented makes them come alive as does the GS boosts. Levelling should be greatsword only. That kind of limits them in levelling as the other weapon set is utility. Having said that, I levelled my second one with sword/pistol but was paper thin and went back to GS.

This is how my experience went with classes (x2)

Fun/ease of play from zero:
Warrior (any weapon set bar mace/shield but big props to GS & Axe/Mace)
Ranger (Greatsword Sword/Torch Sword/Warhorn Longbow Shortbow) - get a tanky pet or you will cry when it goes splat. Get ready for dungeon tears if you try to take one in)
Guardian (Greatsword/Hammer but mace/shield & Sword/Focus or Sword/Torch is fun too)

"Meh" until 60, comes alive at 80:
Necromancer (pets or conditionmancer kiter)
Mesmer (GS scepter/focus) - 70 is really the sweetshot but I learnt to dodge roll on my first mes.

Not fun until 60 plus lack of survivability until you "get it":
Thief (Sword/Pistol and either P/P or shortbow) - you are a glass cannon, hated my first one as I made the mistake of levelling D/D

Oddball, horrible levelling, comes alive at 70-75
Elementalist (Dagger/Dagger or Scepter/Dagger) - avoid staff, prepare to do a lot to equal 2 button presses on Warrior/Ranger/Guardian

Screwball, not fun until 60+ if you are a masochist
Engineer (Flamethrower or kit swapper) - the red haired step child. Don't forget that if you have a kit equipped then you can swap to your primary weapons (rifle or pistol/shield). Flamethrower is a 4 button wonder and you need elixirs to boost them plus the ability to not hurl your monitor out the window when you see a #1 skill missmissmissmissmissmiss when you circle strafe or otherwise see the mob in your cone. I swear FT has it's own RNG. Bombs are fun but be brepared to buy a new keyboard and grenades are fun but the lack of autocast on #1 requires another spare keyboard. As with the elementalist, you do a lot to match what other classes do with a few keypresses and auto-attack. Not the king of Aoe, that's a necromancer with staff or a thief with a bow.

That's just my take on it from my experience, take it for what it's worth.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on September 27, 2013, 05:48:38 PM
I went sword/pistol + GS for leveling on my mesmer and honestly I spent a lot more time being sword/pistol than GS. I didn't feel particularly squishy.

But yeah, even at 20, mesmers are still kinda feh. I would probably spent it on the mesmer if I wanted to level one at ALL, because the guardian is pretty fun early on and hitting 20 would be pretty trivial as one of those. ;)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on September 27, 2013, 07:45:05 PM
You can level cooking to 400 for a gold and a half, it is still 7 free levels and highly recommended along with that scroll for a mesmer.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on September 27, 2013, 07:53:16 PM
You can level cooking to 400 for a gold and a half, it is still 7 free levels and highly recommended along with that scroll for a mesmer.

Did they change this? It used to be 10 levels per crafting 0- 400 on all types.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on September 27, 2013, 07:59:04 PM
You can level cooking to 400 for a gold and a half, it is still 7 free levels and highly recommended along with that scroll for a mesmer.

Did they change this? It used to be 10 levels per crafting 0- 400 on all types.

Yup, now it's 10 levels for 0-500 but only three skills so far go to 500.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: apocrypha on September 28, 2013, 01:22:14 AM
This game lost me once I'd reached level cap with one character.

The events were uninteresting. Zerging is terrible gameplay and forcing me to turn visual settings way down to get playable framerates with 100s of players on-screen makes the gorgeous game engine pointless.

Map completion % being character-specific was also a turn-off. Very alt-unfriendly.

Never did any of the dungeons. Not a one. Didn't read or hear anything about them or the community that made me thing they'd be fun.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Venkman on September 28, 2013, 09:30:59 AM
Patched and played for like two hours last night, spend almost the whole time just relearning how to play a level 10 Mesmer, plowing through all the UI changes, and trying to figure out what I needed to keep in my inventory vs bank vs what I could toss. Got a bunch of chests including some PvP stuff I'll never use but dunno what to do with.

Dinged 11 just farming stuff around Rata Sum to relearn the abilities :-)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on September 30, 2013, 02:48:32 PM
For mesmer, I have to go GS/Staff if I'm doing events, otherwise it's GS/Scepter+Focus.  The swiftness from focus feels like a necessity, because you don't get a movement speed signet. You are the slowest thing on the planet and it's incredibly frustrating.  

With half of your skills dedicated to "making players look like idiots", you have a lot of stuff that's just dumb in PVE.  So, I mainly just focus on crap that produces clones for me to shatter.  And greatsword is nifty, because every ability does damage.

I'm enjoying my fully geared necro in WVW. I can actually kill people 1v1, and I don't feel helpless outside the zerg (my staff ele fills tha role nicely  :awesome_for_real:).  Epidemic is the best thing ever.  Rogues are still horseshit. I laughed a lot when one jumped me yesterday and promptly got slapped with corrupted boon and a dhuumfire proc.  Die die die die die die, dirty rogue.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on September 30, 2013, 03:17:30 PM
I'm no expert but from what I understand it's generally better to focus on either Power or Condition.  Mesmer Greatsword is a Power weapon while the Scepter is a Condition weapon.  Probably doesn't matter at lower levels but once you hit 40 and have the clone on dodge trait, try going GS/Sword+Focus.  Even though Sword main hand is a melee weapon, the 2 skill makes you evade every attack while it channels.  With practice being in melee range of most mobs isn't as dangerous as you'd think.

For your utility skills, crap that produces clones is usually fine but don't overlook Arcane Thievery and/or Null Field for when you get to mobs that start throwing conditions on you.

I still hate my Necro in WvW but that's because I refuse to switch over to a condition build (and can't afford all new gear to change over anyway).  Since the power build has crap range, little mobility and next to no defense, there's not much point in playing that character anymore.  Between the Necro, Thief and Mesmer, I have easily the most success playing the Shatter Mesmer with Staff/Sword+Torch* in WvW but I'm sure that has a lot to do with playstyle.

*Yes, Staff and Torch are generally Condition weapons which goes against the conventional wisdom, but I use both for the utility and rely on the sword and shatters for damage.  I'd switch the torch for a pistol except there's a trait that adds a condition removal to activating torch skills, plus having an extra stealth never hurts.  The torch phantasm is so bad though.  SO BAD.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on September 30, 2013, 05:36:34 PM
Sword/pistol for mesmer is really fun in PvE, as I mentioned earlier. I just sucked up being slow most of the time (I would run with that "get a random boon" signet while leveling because at least I had a CHANCE of not being super stupidly slow). I forget what DWing swords gets you, that might be fun, but I really love the pistol phantasm, so I didn't use it much. :P

WvW I use GS mainly, because I fucking hate scepter but I hate being in melee range as a mesmer even more, and not having focus for swiftness makes me depressed. If I know for sure I'm going to be keeping up with a zerg that's pooping out a lot of swiftness buffs, I'll consider strapping on a staff, as it's a pretty good defensive weapon.

Won't lie, though, I basically only play a mesmer in WvW when we really, really, really, really, really, REALLY need a portal/time warp bitch.

As for necro, I just use a staff and whatever armor I happen to be wearing (I honestly forget what the stats are on the shit she's wearing, it's like ... condi/power/vit mostly, maybe? It's a mess.) and still feel pretty good. I carry axe/dagger for basically no good reason (axe is more exciting during PvDoor). In theory I am trundling towards something vaguly like this (http://www.guildwars2hub.com/guides/professions/necromancer-build-guide-wellsdaggerfocusstaff) but we'll see. I'm level 61 now!  :why_so_serious:

Still like the elementalist best for zerging around in WvW. I can't (usually) kill thieves (fuck thieves) but I've gotten a lot better at running away from them so they get bored and go away.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on September 30, 2013, 05:42:49 PM
How effective is stacking +healing on a support staff ele?  My necro seems OK at killing people, so my ele I'd like to take in more of a wvw support role.   Just bring fields, boons, condition removal and healing yet no actual damage.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on September 30, 2013, 05:52:35 PM
I forget what DWing swords gets you, that might be fun, but I really love the pistol phantasm, so I didn't use it much. :P

Objectively speaking, the offhand sword is probably better for PvE than the offhand pistol if you aren't using the focus for speed.  Offhand sword has a block that can spit out a clone on 4 and the swordsman phantasm on 5.  I seem to remember using GS/Sword+Sword for PvE back when I started my Mesmer, but I ended up leveling that character almost entirely in WvW.  As for speed, the reason I can't afford new gear for my Necro is because I finished off a Travelers set of runes for the +25% speed.  I already had 2 from somewhere that I didn't remember having so I just went ahead and bought 4 more.  That's how much I hated moving so slowly on my Mesmer.

As for healing gear, I have no idea.  I haven't tried using any.  I'd look around for a recent water attunement build and go from there.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on October 01, 2013, 05:57:58 AM
How effective is stacking +healing on a support staff ele?  My necro seems OK at killing people, so my ele I'd like to take in more of a wvw support role.   Just bring fields, boons, condition removal and healing yet no actual damage.

I dunno! I'm power/vit/toughness gear-wise. I support pretty well with just that, because just the act of laying down water fields is a big help. I dunno how the math works out for people that stack healing.

I've considered buying my mesmer the traveller's runes, but haven't pulled the trigger yet, mostly because I only run with the zerg in WvW and I don't use him for anything else. Also block skills make me annoyed, so that's probably the reason I dumped dual wielding swords.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Merusk on October 01, 2013, 08:01:22 AM
Sooo.. I finally bought this last night because it was on sale enough to break my threshold finally.  After dealing with NCSoft's terrible account management (I have a Lineage II and GuildWars acct I haven't used in 6 years and had to go through a really arcane recovery process)  I was able to get in and made a warrior.

Now I find myself questioning, is this the best choice?  How are warriors to play? Seems strong now is it a terrible class at the end?  Setana's post up above seems to indicate they're "OK" but is that throughout?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on October 01, 2013, 08:08:18 AM
Warriors are basically playing a whole different game were everything is about three notches easier than for every other class.  Everyone of their weapons falls between "great" and "holy fucking shit". They have the best DPS while having high hps armor self healing good crowd control and crowd control avoidance.  They also get buffed every patch.  So yeah, good choice.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on October 01, 2013, 08:18:37 AM
Warriors are solid throughout and have a few viable specs.

Right now I am testing a sword n board and hammer spec with %98 immobilize reduction and it's pretty swell.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Merusk on October 01, 2013, 08:51:48 AM
Well awesome. If my usual jinx applies expect them to be nerfed heavily sometime in the next 2-3 months.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: proudft on October 01, 2013, 11:13:37 AM
You bastard!   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on October 01, 2013, 11:14:42 AM
Patch notes (https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/release-notes-for-twilight-assault/)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on October 01, 2013, 03:30:05 PM
Well awesome. If my usual jinx applies expect them to be nerfed heavily sometime in the next 2-3 months.

They could probably use one, so thanks!  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on October 01, 2013, 03:40:51 PM
Started working toward 500 artificing.. got to 452.  I don't think I have the money to see this through.  

Other than champ trains, is there a reliable way to make money solo?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Merusk on October 01, 2013, 03:58:20 PM
Well awesome. If my usual jinx applies expect them to be nerfed heavily sometime in the next 2-3 months.

They could probably use one, so thanks!  :why_so_serious:
Anytime.

My past resume of work:

WoW:
Druid; BC era
DK; Lich King
Hunter: BC
Shadow Priest: Vanilla
Rogue: Cataclysm

DAOC:
Warden

COH:
Regen Brawler

 :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on October 01, 2013, 05:12:45 PM
Started working toward 500 artificing.. got to 452.  I don't think I have the money to see this through.  

Other than champ trains, is there a reliable way to make money solo?

I do it with chest events, Scarlet invasion (still happens), and selling mats.

When crafting, do you do buy orders or do you buy instantly?  Took me awhile but finally discovered that buy orders are awesome.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on October 01, 2013, 05:41:51 PM
Warriors are in a sweet spot right now. For PvE Axe/Mace and Greatsword is an awesome combo at 30/0/0/10/30. Fast hands means weapons swapping to maintain stacks of might and the healing signet is just fantastic. Last night's fractal run had me pulling 21K 100blades (or more). Switching to Longbow and Axe/Mace on the Grawl fractal dropped the DPS a bit but the numbers were still hitting hard. In WvW roaming or zerging, just strap on a mace/shield and it doesn't matter what you have, people avoid you. I've taken Rifle/Greatsword into WvW and had a ball as well. I'm actually running my guardian through Orr etc at the moment and wondering why I feel paper thin - I'm not, guardians are still tough as all hell, but the longer a mob is alive, the more damage I take. With the guardian I take on 4-5 mobs and walk away having burnt all my cool downs, the warrior just wades in and smashes and moves on.

The warrior just burns things down fast in a way that most other classes can only dream of. When I compare the warrior to what my ranger is I just cry. Having said that, my necro is at a sweet spot right now too as either condition or berserker nuke spec. I've found that kiting some champs is doable in condition spec, multiple mobs (7-10 ata time) just melt while I giggle like a school girl. They really need to fix condition stacking on bosses though, but a respec to berserker fixes that and the nukes that you can lay down are fun (admittedly with melee weapons making you a glass cannon).

I'm about to read the notes and see if my warrior needs a respec - I have a feeling that empowered allies should have been moved out of Tier 1 traits to at least Tier 2 and am wondering if Anet has done it or not. I also wouldn't mind seeing if shouts have been fixed.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on October 02, 2013, 09:04:03 PM
Apparently i wasn't the only one to notice what the new haircuts looked like. (http://i.imgur.com/7fyjLV9.jpg)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on October 02, 2013, 10:38:11 PM
Apparently i wasn't the only one to notice what the new haircuts looked like. (http://i.imgur.com/7fyjLV9.jpg)

OMG lol

What gear are they wearing?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tannhauser on October 03, 2013, 04:44:39 AM
That's actually pretty horrible.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on October 03, 2013, 06:28:48 PM
Apparently i wasn't the only one to notice what the new haircuts looked like. (http://i.imgur.com/7fyjLV9.jpg)

OMG lol

What gear are they wearing?

I have no idea, i can't find it in the light armor pictures either.  Might be town clothes.  Also it is just one mesmer.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Venkman on October 03, 2013, 09:34:26 PM
I keep forgetting I can name my clones. Or is it Phantasms? Whichever, I love the class a lot. I should dust off the Ele for dungeon runs through. At first I didn't think I'd remember how to play, but man muscle memory runs deep :-)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ard on October 04, 2013, 02:53:09 AM
That's the guild wars 1 heritage armor hall of monuments reward.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on October 11, 2013, 02:41:43 AM
This game puts me in such shitty moods, with all the stupid horse shit it has in terms of mechanics and balance.

OBSTRUCTED OBSTRUCTED OBSTRUCTED MISS OBSTRUCTED OUT OF RANGE.


FUCK YOU ITS A OPEN LEVEL PLAIN!



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on October 11, 2013, 09:41:29 AM
I don't get obstructed too often, but I am also melee distance for the most part so I would assume that changes it a little.

Got my Thief to 80 last night, and it's such a bullshit class. I am terrible on him, but if I don't burst you down - I can almost always get away and try again if I want. Kind of silly, the risk vs. reward is so out of balance. It was one of the first times I have not only won a 2 vs. 1 against me, but won handily.

Again - I am also terrible, so that says a lot.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on October 11, 2013, 10:22:34 AM
You can be wearing full Toughness armor and have over 18k health and still get burst down in less than two seconds by a Thief plus they have near infinite in-combat stealthing so yeah, bullshit class.  Between them and Warriors, class 'balance' is the most out of whack I've seen in an MMO since the days that Infiltrators could one-hit kill you and not unstealth in DAoC.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on October 11, 2013, 11:21:56 AM
Hey, guess what my other level 80 is?  :drill:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nightblade on October 11, 2013, 11:24:43 AM
Thief is why I stopped bothering with this game, and I played one.

In sPVP each encounter was ridiculous. With certain builds you almost never die. Stealth, teleports, blinds; you have so many tools to easily get away or lock down your opponent. I played some Sword / Dagger build I found online and just wrecked everyone to point of being bored to death. I got to Dolyak rank in sPVP and then just put the game away.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on October 11, 2013, 11:45:03 AM
I stopped playing my thief in spvp, the warrior is far superior at actually killing things it is ridiculous.  Hint: being able to run away doesn't actually win any fights, having the same damage with twice the hps/armor/healing does.  I can be a total pest with the thief, i can actually be effective with the warrior.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nightblade on October 11, 2013, 11:57:08 AM
I stopped playing my thief in spvp, the warrior is far superior at actually killing things it is ridiculous.  Hint: being able to run away doesn't actually win any fights, having the same damage with twice the hps/armor/healing does.  I can be a total pest with the thief, i can actually be effective with the warrior.

Yeah, its been a long while since I played so you're probably right.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on October 12, 2013, 05:09:41 PM
Is it me or is this league thing fishy?  Like, even beyond the FTP "it's a business" model.  They're offering discounts on server transfers...in order to give players a chance to navigate game mechanics (once again, this time in the form of winning wvw servers)? 

It's like they gave up on matchups entirely and made wvw a cash shop "item."


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on October 12, 2013, 05:18:40 PM
It's an excuse to not have to put in any game balance changes for another 7 weeks. I'm sure the fat gem cash on all the transfers is also helping that motivation.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Merusk on October 14, 2013, 03:34:58 PM
So I blew $40 on diamonds and unlocked my bags and bought the permanent salvaging device. That thing is the best expenditure of $15 in the game just because I no longer have to 1) stuff my bags with kits 2) stop off every few hours to buy new kits.  If I could sell/ salvage Karma or quest gear I'd be set for the life of my character.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on October 14, 2013, 03:45:30 PM
I was very happy with my infinite pick and axe, refilling those when you are out in the world is a pain.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on October 14, 2013, 03:46:14 PM
Finished my Ascended Staff.  And now they're counting blocks/evades toward AE targets.  THANKS, DEVS.  Might have to work a new spec to get around that, and that may require dropping dhuumfire.

So, now I'm relatively poor again. Although, my bankroll just moved down 100g over the entire process of going from 400-500 and crafting the staff.  Probably took about 150g overall.

Conditionmancer is pretty good for small/medium sized group and for wall defense at keeps/towers/garrisons, but kind of crap in open field zergs.  Time to keep the bankroll small and start building a well-o-mancer/DS set.  :awesome_for_real: And now with WvW season starting, blobs are going to be the way of things.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on October 14, 2013, 04:00:16 PM
There's only going to be one matchup we really have to worry about, the SoR/BG/JQ one. Everything else waha will carry us, unless our SEA dies of boredom.


I've never had more then like 30 gold at once, you dirty PvE'er.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on October 14, 2013, 04:17:26 PM
My staff has parts that jiggle.   :awesome_for_real:  Hey, and now I am under 30g.  

Yah, finally seeing TC in action was a bit disappointing.   They seemed to fight well, but just did a ton of really bone headed tactical moves.  Well, and they can't seem to field quite as large of a blob as BG. Past 10-11pm the scores would just go pear shaped for our opposing servers.  BG is good, though, and they have many, many people.  <not sure if green> Plus they ddos'd our teamspeak. </>

waha is the main SEA commander?  Seems like BG and SoR bitch about our SEA a lot.  I'm still really new the WvW, as I'm very afraid at this point to even man siege.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on October 14, 2013, 04:40:40 PM
Yea, Waha is our major SEA commander. He's arguably the most infamous command pin in the entire game probably. Other servers use waha's name like a bogey man. "Eat your vegetables or waha will get you!" Him and his force are why JQ have been tier 1 for so long basically. It's a top tier, mobile, organized army in a time zone where most servers have zero to shit for coverage. Also makes our server excitingly multilingual!

If he and his forces ever decide they get tired of the game and stop playing or move servers or whatever, expect us to drop like 4 tiers over night  :why_so_serious: .


TC has a fair weather problem. They spend like 5 out of 6 match ups just rolling servers they completely out class, get really complacent and have a lot of random glassy people attach onto the karma trains. Then they get sent up to us for a week, or one of the big 3 goes down and they get farmed instead of doing the farming and sorta filter off till their next steamroll. I remember the first week the RNG sent us to the TC/FA match up and just how god damn squishy they all were.


BG is our big competition usually, they have just as much organization and coverage as we do, except for the SEA slot. They used to keep pace by their Oceanic coverage, using that window to paper all our keeps so our SEA had to rebuild instead of gain a lead. We recently poached their big oceanic guild [MERC], or most of it, notably their commanders, and this has thrown a big monkey wrench in BG's general direction.


SoR is our other competition, and are full of trolls and chest beaters and generally detestable people.  :why_so_serious: They are also in love/hate relationship with BG and will actively ruin each others chance of winning just to spite the other and give us (jq) the win. They are also the server most capable at shoving every single person on a map onto ONE point, in a true map zerg. If SoR and BG ever actually hatefuck it out and get married, we are basically boned too. This is unlikely though.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on October 14, 2013, 09:52:07 PM
My favorite thing about SoR and BG is how quick they are to accuse the other of teaming up with JQ.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on October 15, 2013, 12:23:16 AM
I haven't www'd in forever, but basically TC has been a zergfest server of undergeared / underlevelled people since day 1, and it'll remain as such until the end of time. Most TCers don't care to get to the super-fucking-serious-business of tier1... though I'll say that completely dominating tier2 due to sheer numbers and some good zerg commanders on voice comm isn't that fun either (it's why I stopped playing wvw, I hate lopsided fights).

There may be some smaller military-style srs bsns wvw guilds on TC who actually use proper builds/gear, but they probably play in the borderlands or somesuch.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on October 15, 2013, 01:49:22 AM
Almost all organized guilds play in the BL's, since you can't get a guild queued on EB for shit for the most part.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on October 15, 2013, 02:43:29 AM
Yak's Bend and Oceanic timeslot do not WvW a good time :(

Plus a lot of our good players transferred making it limited fun. I understand the league thing but people getting transfers means this will always be lopsided. I now only go to BGs on alts to get my zone completion.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on October 15, 2013, 03:09:45 AM
Clearly you should transfer up!  :grin:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on October 15, 2013, 07:58:16 AM
GoM is the lowest of the low for WvW - I've been spending a lot more time WvW lately and it's basically the exact same handful of names every night. I keep debating transfering to a new server that has a much more active WvW population, but bottom tier isn't so bad for roaming and smaller group vs. group combat which is what I prefer anyways.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on October 15, 2013, 12:03:03 PM
They added a greatsword that shits bats, my life is now complete.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on October 15, 2013, 02:54:01 PM
How is throwing siege on a defeated enemy in WvW considered insulting?  :uhrr:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on October 15, 2013, 02:59:53 PM
That is a fantastic idea.  

You lost.  Have a catapult.  (I don't think I'd build it)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Venkman on October 16, 2013, 04:12:01 PM
Jeezus I'm really enjoying this again. And of course so much so I totally know why I had to quit last time. This game's an OCDs dream  :grin:

Made 51 levels in like twenty hours, forgetting another thing I've loved: flat leveling curves all the way up. I don't even notice the dings anymore, haven't slotted any new skills in 20 levels and still rotate through four different configs on my Mesmer (generally Staff and Scepter/Torch but sometimes GS and Pistol/Torch or Sword/Focus). I don't remember my Ele having anywhere near this breadth of options to explore, survive, fight single things, fight groups of things, fight groups of things when suddenly other things show up, including Veterans, etc. But then, I stopped playing him a year ago and haven't reupped him yet.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Furiously on October 16, 2013, 04:36:57 PM
Engels was teasing me a few nights ago that I only played to play the market which made me log in to sell the 24 stacks of flawless snowflakes I had bought for 80 copper each. I was pretty happy to see they were selling for 8 silver 70 copper each now. Seasonal items are nice.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on October 16, 2013, 04:39:16 PM
Ele's are the squishiest class in game by default, a real razor's edge class. If you do it right, it goes real good and you destroy things. If you slip up even once, you're a corpse.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: EWSpider on October 16, 2013, 05:26:43 PM
Ele's are the squishiest class in game by default, a real razor's edge class. If you do it right, it goes real good and you destroy things. If you slip up even once, you're a corpse.

That's not really true.  Sure, if you go full zerker with an Ele they're going to be squishy, but so is any other class.  If you are spec'd and geared well an Ele can tank just as well as any other class.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on October 16, 2013, 05:55:25 PM
Honestly, my elementalist felt surprisingly sturdy leveling up.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on October 16, 2013, 06:29:04 PM
Engels was teasing me a few nights ago that I only played to play the market which made me log in to sell the 24 stacks of flawless snowflakes I had bought for 80 copper each. I was pretty happy to see they were selling for 8 silver 70 copper each now. Seasonal items are nice.

That's like a precursor right there.  I've been buying lvl 400 leather at 1.5s each, hoping it goes to 15 or so the first day of ascended armor crafting.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on October 16, 2013, 08:11:07 PM
How is throwing siege on a defeated enemy in WvW considered insulting?  :uhrr:

In SWG, throwing a house down on a corpse kept them from rezzing.  /rosecoloredglasses

Also ITT:  JQ complaining about TC?  Next time you're in WvW, ask how many people xferred from TC.  It's not our fault the devs manipulate matchups and various other game mechanics to generate cash.  TC either wins by a zillion points or loses by a zillion points, there is no in between and it's boring as hell.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on October 16, 2013, 08:41:32 PM
Commenting != complaining.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on October 16, 2013, 08:43:52 PM
Yeah, I think the one closest to "complaining" about TC is ... someone from TC.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on October 17, 2013, 10:12:37 AM
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I remember the first week the RNG sent us to the TC/FA match up and just how god damn squishy they all were

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Yah, finally seeing TC in action was a bit disappointing.   They seemed to fight well, but just did a ton of really bone headed tactical moves.

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TC has a fair weather problem.

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TC has been a zergfest server of undergeared / underlevelled people since day 1, and it'll remain as such until the end of time.

I mean, you tell me.  It's just funny to read people from T1 criticize TC.  You guys have better coverage, which I suppose is a tactical advantage.  If we go up against JQ and BG or SOR, we get the shit kicked out of us.  If we go up against anyone else, we kick the shit out of them.  Is the bell curve of skill really represented here?  No, TC just has better coverage than non-T1 servers and not as much coverage as T1.  Problem solved.  There are simply more of you, because of those early months of free server transfers. 

I can tell you that there are many dedicated, skilled WvWers who have stayed on TC because we have a strong community.   Others, literally some of the best pvpers I've ever seen, left because they wanted to win or at least be in more competitive matchups.  This is why I get peeved from the criticism. 

Statistically, skill ratios should be the same.  Are the quoted criticisms correct?  Absolutely.  Could they apply to T1 servers?  You bet.  Undergeared/underleveled players, boneheaded tactical decisions, fair weather playes and zergfests are absorbed and less noticeable when you have better coverage.  And if there is a higher ratio of skilled players in T1, it's because they transferred there out of frustration.

Blame Anet.  The coverage (sorry, skill) issue could easily be addressed by grouping servers together in WvW battlegroups the way WoW ended up doing, ensuring a more uniform coverage in every matchup.  Instead they're doing Leagues which is just another cash shop item.  The proof of this is that the cash shop offered discounts on server transfers when Leagues started.








Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on October 17, 2013, 12:02:38 PM
Errr, sorry?  It turns out Fordel's (and other's) description of TC at Tier 1a is just very accurate.  THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE DISPARAGING.  It's unfortunate and you have my condolences. 

As for the holiday thing: haha, one-shot capable bosses (with actual mechanics) v. zerg. This maze is great for leveling, it can just kind of suck a times when you're on an overflow and 2 bosses spawn in the same area.  :awesome_for_real:  The loot is terrible, but it has its uses for quick leveling outside of the normal event chains.  I'm kind of burnt out on map completion leveling.

edit: I just picked JQ to play with SLAP.  Honest.   :sad_panda:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on October 17, 2013, 01:07:51 PM
WvW is serious business.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on October 17, 2013, 03:51:39 PM
This may be nitpicky, but none of the stuff said by JQ people is "complaining." Call it insulting if you'd like, although I doubt that was the intent either. Criticism is a fine word for it, and had you used it in the first place, I wouldn't have thought anything of it. Also, I don't think the people of TC are bad people (I DO think the people of SoR are!  :why_so_serious:), and I do find their position sort of weird, for the exact reason you stated. They faceroll the other T2 and below servers easily, but cannot handle going against the big three (because we are enormous). That's got to be weird.


I do think the leagues are stupid. There are going to be a lot of boring stretches in it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on October 17, 2013, 03:58:30 PM
It doesn't make me want to play more or take it more seriously.  Although, I assume I'll be doing more of both.

People will probably be a lot crankier about losing.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on October 17, 2013, 04:05:28 PM
Everyone trying to farm the achievements should be hilarious.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on October 17, 2013, 05:14:28 PM
Depending on how Anet splits the match ups, the league will be karma train time for half of it at least. It's going to do a lot more harm then good in the long term.


I stand by my statements about TC, the dirty Yak lovers!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on October 17, 2013, 05:35:46 PM
I get their theory that it gets "boring" to face the same servers all the time (indeed, getting a little break from SoR and BG a few months ago was sorely needed by JQ), but the problem is, I think people find it more boring to just stomp/be stomped by wildly mismatched servers. And the stupid bloodlust bullshit doesn't help that at all.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on October 17, 2013, 05:47:39 PM
I finally read about the leagues ( :awesome_for_real: I know).  Uhhh, this won't work.  It'll work for 2 weeks and then, no, it won't work.  


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on October 17, 2013, 06:44:36 PM
It's going to be so dumb.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on October 17, 2013, 10:15:57 PM
This may be nitpicky, but none of the stuff said by JQ people is "complaining."

I did try to stealth-fix that.  It's a sore spot; I realize you guys weren't being personal.  I just felt like Tom Branson listening to the Crawleys talk shit about Ireland at the dinner table.

If iwe are losing hard, TC WvW is a ghost town.  No commander tags are up.  Map chat is dead.  Server mumble is empty.  The same is true, though , if we are winning disproportionately.  The whole thing is  :uhrr:



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on October 19, 2013, 02:19:02 AM
SoR and BG are already wailing that JQ has an easier schedule than they do bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

TC should have a good time this week, at least, they're up against SoS and #magswag.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Merusk on October 19, 2013, 09:50:45 AM
Tried to PVP yesterday.  Got my ass handed to me so quickly so often I wonder what the fuck the point of trying is now.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on October 19, 2013, 09:57:11 AM
I mostly just couldn't deal with the massive skill lag.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Venkman on October 19, 2013, 10:16:11 AM
Yea I still haven't tried PvP here. I did enjoy the BGs in WoW, so I'd probably go with WvW here maybe. I've been enjoying the leveling up PvE and DEs enough as it is. I feel like going PvP would be going to almost a differnet game.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on October 19, 2013, 07:44:09 PM
https://buy.guildwars2.com/en/buy/digital-heroic-edition

20 bucks off, today only.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: MediumHigh on October 19, 2013, 08:52:38 PM
Around this time Arena-net should be releasing a new expansion.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on October 19, 2013, 09:33:10 PM
Around this time Arena-net should be releasing a new expansion.

This. It's not like people haven't been screaming out for it. Anet is sadly all "that's nice, have a shitty 2 week living story that many couldn't give a damn about". TBH, Fire and frost was the only good one so far and even then as a living story it's pathetic.

I wish I could say I'm done with the game. Instead I crafted 4 more ascended weapons taking my total to 7  :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on October 19, 2013, 09:39:36 PM
I've tried other games, i simply cannot handle the movement on any of them anymore.  Even the dodge rolling on secret world felt clunky.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tannhauser on October 19, 2013, 09:48:36 PM
Yeah, I booted Rift up and shut it off after 30 minutes.  GW2 has spoiled me.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: MediumHigh on October 19, 2013, 10:23:32 PM
That how it was like with Guild Wars 1 for me.

So no instant travel to regions I already explored? Uninstall.
No free reallocation of skill points? Uninstall.
Pointless level/weapon grind for pvp? Uninstall.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on October 20, 2013, 08:20:31 AM
Decided to play some WvW and had a lot of fun. Had an exotic drop so linked it only to watch people get all excited.

Apparently The Legend* is a good drop?  :awesome_for_real:

Think I'll sell it and buy The Colossus and put the rest of the gold towards The Hunter.










* The Legend is the Staff Precurser for the legendary


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on October 20, 2013, 09:37:57 AM
I hate you so much right now.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on October 20, 2013, 09:39:17 AM
PSA: if you are going to sell to the lowest bidder put it up for auction for 1 copper over vendor price.  It automatically sells to highest bidder but you pay the listing fee on the price you used.  It might sound kinda scary but it will save you about 15-20 gold depending on price.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on October 20, 2013, 03:54:56 PM

Apparently The Legend* is a good drop?  :awesome_for_real:


Die.  I'm broke now that I've geared another character for wvw (runes, weapons, sigil, some trinks) and finished my ascended staff.  I don't think I play enough to actually make money. I might abandon ascended crafting all together, and just speculate on materials or just sell out once ascended armor crafting is released.  That stuff's for rich people.

Getting a power set for my necro, upgrading my ele's trinkets and then gearing a tank is probably worth more to me than doing another climb to 500.  

Of course, now that I can't get into wvw reliably due to queues, I have time to farm.  Seriously, fuck these stupid achievements.  It's hard to compete when you've got a bunch of assholes afk, doing jumping puzzles, or running around in berserker's gear.   And they're always spamming dumb shit in map chat.  I wish the Halloween event was pooping out free champs bags faster and had worse grinds just to get these people out of the damn borderlands and EB.  I'm not sure what voodoo BG and SoR are doing in order to get their fair weather wvwers to actually do something.  Their blobs seem unaffected.   And they actually get their guilds in..  :-o

 :angryfist: :tantrum: :cry2:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on October 20, 2013, 05:39:24 PM
It's probably the last minute wagon, since we won the last couple weeks before the league.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on October 20, 2013, 06:25:02 PM
BG and SoR probably paid to move all their PvEers over to JQ.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on October 21, 2013, 06:35:23 AM
Really, it should be fine in another day or two as people get their achievements and never return. Even tonight the queue's went from hours to minutes.




Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Merusk on October 21, 2013, 06:42:42 AM
Wvw is a different set of queues from the team pvp, yes?  I had instant access to the random team stuff on my server, but after getting my clock cleaned I didn't even try the WVW stuff.

Still struggling to figure out how I'm supposed to get 13 achievements for the next Halloween step when there's only 12 possible ones and I have no desire to do the pvp finisher one.  :|

Also, is there an easier way to map fill than running around to each and every check point?  I joined a new guild last night when I ran in to them trying the world dragon. (My previous guild had all of 4 people on at any one time.)  Turned out it was the night they do guild events but I missed out on two because I didn't have waypoints and it took me too long to run from 3 maps away.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on October 21, 2013, 06:57:58 AM
PvP and WvW are totally separate. PvP is it's own entire rule set with it's own 'gear' and world. Everyone has the exact same item access in PvP and characters are automatically level 80 in PvP (not up-scaled, full 80 with full traits etc). WvW is DaoC/Warhammer style RvR, using any and all items/consumables available in PvE. Builds that are extremely powerful in PvP are often utterly useless in WvW and vice versa. Different scales to combat and stat combinations and vastly different objectives.

It's a LOT easier to just casually attach yourself to a zerg and follow a commander pin in WvW, then it is to jump into the PvP scene.

You pretty much just have to run around to places as far as I know. You can reach Lion's Arch easily by just going to the PvP lobby and exiting the gate.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Merusk on October 21, 2013, 07:07:49 AM
Ah, I see now. That explains why I got my ass handed to me the one time I went in to the borderlands areas. I didn't notice I wasn't upleveled.  Then again my server doesn't seem to do the WvW thing *at all* as we're always the tiniest slice of the pie chart, owning maybe one or two nodes ever.

Thanks for the tips.   Hit 59 last night and now it's just feeling like a grind to 80.  Been to Lion's Arch, etc but haven't map-filled since I've been Champ Zerging and event hopping for XP.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on October 21, 2013, 07:09:41 AM
Everyone is upleveled to 80 in the WvW maps.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on October 21, 2013, 09:04:24 AM
Still struggling to figure out how I'm supposed to get 13 achievements for the next Halloween step when there's only 12 possible ones and I have no desire to do the pvp finisher one.  :|

Every day there are two halloween achievements on the daily tab.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on October 21, 2013, 09:24:08 AM
It's a LOT easier to just casually attach yourself to a zerg and follow a commander pin in WvW, then it is to jump into the PvP scene.

Yep, this is the best way to get acclimated in WvW.  Find your blast finishers and combo fields, and use them often (commanders will usually call for them too).

TC/Mag/SoS is a good matchup indeed.  TC has the advantage but you can tell it's a popular match because the queues are long.  Now everyone is complaining about the wait time, which isn't helped by the fact that Anet has admitted that their queue system is messed up.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on October 21, 2013, 09:48:07 AM
Ah, I see now. That explains why I got my ass handed to me the one time I went in to the borderlands areas. I didn't notice I wasn't upleveled.  Then again my server doesn't seem to do the WvW thing *at all* as we're always the tiniest slice of the pie chart, owning maybe one or two nodes ever.

Thanks for the tips.   Hit 59 last night and now it's just feeling like a grind to 80.  Been to Lion's Arch, etc but haven't map-filled since I've been Champ Zerging and event hopping for XP.

You're upleveled, but (correct me if I'm wrong), you're still not going to be upleveled to exotics. Those still make a difference.  And like Fordel said, your gear isn't going to be tailored for it.   I wvw'd a fair bit with my underleveled elementalist and still did OK.   I was able to provide a lot of fields, but I was really noobish and squishy.   I still kind of am, as I have no real good grasp on siege placement and range, and the most strategic aspects of it all.  However, my positioning is better and I'm not quite as squishy.  

The good thing is, you'll be able to buy some 80 exotic gear with all of the Badges of Honor you get from achievement chests up to this point.  You can get some good wvw type of gear that isn't even craftable, like Soldier's, Rabid and Dire.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: EWSpider on October 21, 2013, 10:12:09 AM
Still struggling to figure out how I'm supposed to get 13 achievements for the next Halloween step when there's only 12 possible ones and I have no desire to do the pvp finisher one.  :|

Every day there are two halloween achievements on the daily tab.

You can also complete the pvp finisher one in The Mists staging area.  When you first zone into the Mists head to the back of the zone where there are NPCs for each profession.  You can duel them and when you down one use one of your Halloween finishers and you will get credit towards the achievement.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Merusk on October 21, 2013, 12:03:07 PM
Ah ha! Thanks that'll be most beneficial.

Still struggling to figure out how I'm supposed to get 13 achievements for the next Halloween step when there's only 12 possible ones and I have no desire to do the pvp finisher one.  :|

Every day there are two halloween achievements on the daily tab.

Those count? Well shit then, that's awesome. All I need to do is save a few trick or treat bags instead of spamming them open as I get them. Thanks.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on October 27, 2013, 01:29:32 AM
Sold the staff precursor, sold everything I had in terms of mats, bought the hammer precursor and learnt Sorrow's Embrace.

I'm not doing that again in a hurry.

Hello Juggernaut for PvP

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~setanta/gw2/jugger1.jpg)

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~setanta/gw2/jugger2.jpg)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on October 27, 2013, 02:27:44 AM
Grats!

Well, this matchup is fucking boring.  Learned the jumping puzzle, though.  :awesome_for_real:

And somehow Mag talks more shit than SoR and BG combined.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on October 27, 2013, 11:02:05 AM
Did you not know about #MagSwag?  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on October 27, 2013, 11:20:31 AM
Did you not know about #MagSwag?  :why_so_serious:

#Swagguma, we do have the goons after all.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on October 27, 2013, 12:48:14 PM
Basically, Sjofn and I are waiting on the Mag vs SoR forum war, it will be the highlight of gold league.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on October 27, 2013, 11:13:11 PM
It will definitely be the best forum match up, I can't fucking wait!  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on October 28, 2013, 11:54:01 AM
Did you not know about #MagSwag?  :why_so_serious:

I did not expect this level of swag.  I was not prepared. However, they are not completely awful.  They can do things when we get lazy and have troll commanders running things.   :why_so_serious:

This does give me time to leveling another character.  Can't decide between actually getting a tank (guardian), finishing my mesmer, or leveling an engineer.   Even with this matchup, I'm sure the EB queue won't get under my total play time allotted, so that crap will still stay unfinished.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on October 28, 2013, 02:50:10 PM
Mag is actually quite good at the video game, they just like the warm safety blanket of "good fites", since that's entirely subjective and lets them fuel their forum game  :why_so_serious:

They also have like, zero coverage, so after like midnight est, they stop existing.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on October 28, 2013, 03:29:04 PM
So far, I am pretty happy being in Bronze league. No queues except for the odd EB one, lots of smaller group fights in the ruins and the camps not in the south. You can actually defend stuff without just being swept aside by the zerg. Spent the other night just running through JPs and killing the people that were there for the first time for achievements until they get enough to kick us out.

All in all, this is the most fun I have had in WvW.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Cheddar on October 28, 2013, 05:28:34 PM
Updated and rolled a warrior this time.  Maybe I will make to rvr this go around.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on October 28, 2013, 05:42:19 PM
Yay, more warriors.   :awesome_for_real:

So far, I am pretty happy being in Bronze league. No queues except for the odd EB one, lots of smaller group fights in the ruins and the camps not in the south. You can actually defend stuff without just being swept aside by the zerg. Spent the other night just running through JPs and killing the people that were there for the first time for achievements until they get enough to kick us out.

All in all, this is the most fun I have had in WvW.

Do you guys have regular pins and stuff?  We get a lot of small scale activity as well, just got to watch your ass for the moving swarm of death.  But yah, I could do without the queues.

I'd go park my lowbie guardian on a jumping puzzle, but I've yet to actually see someone from the other servers doing them. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Cheddar on October 28, 2013, 06:28:52 PM
 :why_so_serious: so warriors are popular... what about engineer?

I feel noobish and dont want to roll what I played before (ranger, necro, and uh, warrior counterpart),


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on October 28, 2013, 06:32:23 PM
Please, do play what you want.  I've just taken a lot of hammer hits to the face lately.

But yes, warriors are popular.  They're versatile, powerful, and easy to play.  Engineers are rarer ducks.  There's a lot of button pushing involved.   I deleted  mine long ago and just remade one recently.  I haven't played it at all.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Cheddar on October 28, 2013, 06:51:42 PM
Please, do play what you want.  I've just taken a lot of hammer hits to the face lately.

But yes, warriors are popular.  They're versatile, powerful, and easy to play.  Engineers are rarer ducks.  There's a lot of button pushing involved.   I deleted  mine long ago and just remade one recently.  I haven't played it at all.  :awesome_for_real:

meh, I will try engineer.  I will probably crap out in a few weeks anyway.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on October 28, 2013, 06:52:41 PM
Play your warrior.  :drill:

I will probably crap out in a few weeks anyway.

I thought I would too.  Didn't expected to get hooked.  I don't like a lot of what they do, but the wvw is compelling.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: proudft on October 28, 2013, 06:55:18 PM
The only thing I regret about playing my warrior is that I made him first, so every time I play another class I think, "man, I kinda wish I was playing my warrior".


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on October 29, 2013, 12:28:23 AM
I will probably crap out in a few weeks anyway.

I thought I would too.  Didn't expected to get hooked.  I don't like a lot of what they do, but the wvw is compelling.

Same here! ~twinz~

My engineer is 75 or so now, the best part about playing it is no one knows wtf engineers actually do, so no one can tell how shitty you are.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: amiable on October 29, 2013, 07:10:20 AM
Mag is actually quite good at the video game, they just like the warm safety blanket of "good fites", since that's entirely subjective and lets them fuel their forum game  :why_so_serious:

They also have like, zero coverage, so after like midnight est, they stop existing.

I'm on mag and pretty much this.  I am completely amazed we made it to gold league considering how piss poor our oceanic coverage is.  On the plus side, it's a gold league server with almost zero queues (unless xushin is running a karma train).  There was actually a big argument about whether or not to go for gold league, but some of our more popula commanders decided to do it, and promptly burnt themselves out getting to gold league and disappeared from play. 

Folks take the "we don't care about PPT" pretty seriously, until they don't lol.  But I love forum-whoring on mag, we rule PvF.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: amiable on October 29, 2013, 07:13:04 AM
Please, do play what you want.  I've just taken a lot of hammer hits to the face lately.

But yes, warriors are popular.  They're versatile, powerful, and easy to play.  Engineers are rarer ducks.  There's a lot of button pushing involved.   I deleted  mine long ago and just remade one recently.  I haven't played it at all.  :awesome_for_real:

I mained an engineer but switched to a warrior recently.  Engineer is just too fiddly a class to be very effective in PvP or PvE.  There are some amazing players out there who can play them very well, and they do good in sPvP at very specific rolls (knocking folks out of control points seems to be a big one). In lag-heavy situations like large scale WvW they are horrendous because not being able to switch kits means you have zero offense and zero defense.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on October 29, 2013, 09:41:35 AM
Do you guys have regular pins and stuff?  We get a lot of small scale activity as well, just got to watch your ass for the moving swarm of death.  But yah, I could do without the queues.

I'd go park my lowbie guardian on a jumping puzzle, but I've yet to actually see someone from the other servers doing them. 

Sorry, pins?

What seems to happen is that each server puts a super zerg in the field somewhere and they play a little cat and mouse with each other, if we get the super zergs in the same zone it might queue for a bit. Then we have a couple groups of 10ish wandering around taking towers and the odd camp in the BLs. Most of the time I find groups of <5 hitting the southside of each BL. We usually prowl the ruins since it's pretty easy to keep an eye on flips with the minimap zoomed out as far as you can go.

Our last ditch efforts of the night are usually to take the North camp of one of the other server BLs and defend it as best we can from everyone that piles in from the port-in keep for that BL.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on October 29, 2013, 09:59:01 AM
I thought queues were for your side only.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on October 29, 2013, 10:03:29 AM
I thought queues were for your side only.

Yes, I just worded what I was trying to say wrong. When the super zergs meet up, it tends to draw a lot of people which gets the queue going. And by queue I mean 10-15 minute wait.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on October 29, 2013, 11:25:56 AM
Do you guys have regular pins and stuff?  We get a lot of small scale activity as well, just got to watch your ass for the moving swarm of death.  But yah, I could do without the queues.

I'd go park my lowbie guardian on a jumping puzzle, but I've yet to actually see someone from the other servers doing them.  

Sorry, pins?

Commanders.  Guys with the blue dorrito/taco/chevron on them.  Are there recognizable commanders on the field?  Is there a server vent used for wvw?

And on another note, necro well builds are complete shit for 1v1 and small engagements.  They are, however,  absolutely hilarious when you can catch a small group unawares.   Great for siege killing and camping clearing too.  


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on October 29, 2013, 02:41:44 PM
Commanders.  Guys with the blue dorrito/taco/chevron on them.  Are there recognizable commanders on the field?  Is there a server vent used for wvw?

And on another note, necro well builds are complete shit for 1v1 and small engagements.  They are, however,  absolutely hilarious when you can catch a small group unawares.   Great for siege killing and camping clearing too.  

Oh yeah - there's 5-6 recognizable, decent Commanders. A few not great ones that I just ignore and a bunch of newly bought ones. There's a server vent set up, but it's really new only about a dozen guilds ranging in size use it. I would say at most we have about 15-25% of the WvW population using it right now, but as we keep doing decently that number seems to be increasing.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on October 29, 2013, 05:45:57 PM
Mag is actually quite good at the video game, they just like the warm safety blanket of "good fites", since that's entirely subjective and lets them fuel their forum game  :why_so_serious:

They also have like, zero coverage, so after like midnight est, they stop existing.

I'm on mag and pretty much this.  I am completely amazed we made it to gold league considering how piss poor our oceanic coverage is.  On the plus side, it's a gold league server with almost zero queues (unless xushin is running a karma train).  There was actually a big argument about whether or not to go for gold league, but some of our more popula commanders decided to do it, and promptly burnt themselves out getting to gold league and disappeared from play. 

Folks take the "we don't care about PPT" pretty seriously, until they don't lol.  But I love forum-whoring on mag, we rule PvF.

It wouldn't be gold league if Mag wasn't there to shit up the forums.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on November 01, 2013, 06:33:04 PM
Lots of incoming balance changes. (https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Dec-10th-Balance-Preview)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on November 01, 2013, 06:36:37 PM
I like how GW2 devs think I actually know what my traits are called.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on November 01, 2013, 06:41:49 PM
I clicked Threash's link and I got:

Quote
Oops! Google Chrome could not find lots of incoming balance changes.

And I laughed.

The end!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on November 06, 2013, 12:11:34 PM
https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/ranger/December-10th-Ranger-changes/page/9#post3162139

Anet Dev's have been making the rounds on the class forums, but I enjoyed this particular post. Confirming what everyone whose who has spent more then 5 mins on a Ranger already knew, pets are fucking broken.


-edit- whose? Is that even a word? That sounds really wrong in my head now!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: pxib on November 06, 2013, 12:23:06 PM
You were looking for the contraction "who's" which can mean either "who is" or "who has".

"Whose" is the possessive. Think it's/its with a silent "e" to sustain the vowel sound.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on November 08, 2013, 05:24:41 PM
Lord Above I hope they never do another WvW "season" because getting match ups where we are just completely overwhelming to the two servers we're against is really fucking dull. I would like to take a moment to laugh at Sanctum of Rall, though, who has gotten a painful lesson the past two weeks that they need JQ on that wall.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on November 09, 2013, 04:35:48 PM
The main issue with the Gold League at least is that there's a massive gap between the upper three and the lower three. Like, a comically large gap in numbers, coverage, everything.

I don't know if the other leagues have the same issue, but while the numbers in WvW are high I don't know how many of them are just in it for the achievements. Personally, I'm not enjoying the matches at all, and I have little motivation to actually sit through the queue to work on the meta.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on November 09, 2013, 05:32:30 PM
I've been vaguely watching the scores (http://mos.millenium.org/na) in the lower leagues, and they're not much closer, really. This week's seems particularly shitty. But what's interesting to me is just how crap SoR's been without JQ to draw BG's ire. So even in the BG/SoR/poor bastard match ups, BG's been having a snoozefest too.


edit: As for queues, they go down pretty substantially during the week. Once we hit Tuesday, there's always been at least one BL without a queue ... of course, it's always the BL where we own almost everything anyway, so not much help towards the meta there (unless you want to do the jumping puzzle) (which I keep putting off because fuck jumping puzzles).


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on November 09, 2013, 08:12:13 PM
Apparently, BG added a huge Russian guild which has totally fucked the EU time zone shit.  SoR just sounds demoralized as hell on the boards.  Even without the EU stuff (which kind of can wreck reset day), they've been ticking hella low all the time.

Tue/Wed/Thursday is a great time to try and get lucky with the EB queue.  Karma train is fantastic for the meta, and you don't feel bad about doing shit like jumping on rams without mastery.  

Still, there have been some decent fights.  TC can be really effective defenders when they've got some map presence.  In lower numbers, their lack of appropriate armor is really obvious.  It could also just be that we've been running really high DPS blobs, with little front line.  AOE meltage is rough against straight line rushes.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Merusk on November 10, 2013, 11:31:57 AM
I've been vaguely watching the scores (http://mos.millenium.org/na) in the lower leagues, and they're not much closer, really.

All server clusters seem to be set up with one dominant one mid and one who just doens't give a fuck.  I'm on Anvil Rock and tried PVP a few times.  The most AR players I've ever seen at a time was 10.  And we got roflstomped quickly by the FC zerg that had easily 3x our numbers.  It's just not worth it. 

When folks mention getting a zerg in Lion's Arch they get laughed at and told not to bother on this server.

Reflecting - once again - why WvW is a terrible model.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: MediumHigh on November 10, 2013, 01:12:20 PM
Pssh. RVR is just bad as a concept. The only solution is to match up the severs with the highest pvp participation and cross your fingers. How much better would the game run if it merely capped participation to 300 man instances (100/100/100) and did a special guild que for the hardcore.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Merusk on November 10, 2013, 01:17:25 PM
Yeah I didn't mean to imply RvR would be any better.  The best format *is* capped instances, though you have to have better tools for booting botters & leeches than we've seen to date from any game company.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on November 10, 2013, 01:48:25 PM
The problem is less with WvW and more with the fucking stupid league. Well, maybe not for Anvil Rock, they've been the crap-ass server for months and months. But when you toss vaguely-similar populations at each other, it's a lot of fun. Population is a problem (always will be) and ANet's solution to it seems to be "transfer to one of the T1 servers, T2 in a pinch," which is a terrible goddamn solution.

Some of the lower pop servers could probably stand a merge. Honestly, I'd love if they merged the EU servers with the US ones, that would suddenly make a lot more servers have a lot better coverage. :P Won't happen, though.

Plus WvW is pretty low on their priorities list. Which is OK with me, really, because when they pay attention to it, we get stupid shit like this league nonsense.  :uhrr:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on November 10, 2013, 02:58:06 PM
Population and Participation are always the problems with ANY kind of PvP in any game. Large scale or small. MMO Dev's love to make various systems and just assume everyone will use them forever and equally distribute amongst themselves.

This is always wrong and leads to broken things.




Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on November 10, 2013, 03:11:05 PM
Population and Participation are always the problems with ANY kind of PvP in any game. Large scale or small. MMO Dev's love to make various systems and just assume everyone will use them forever and equally distribute amongst themselves.

This is always wrong and leads to broken things.




The problem is checklist MMO design.  You gotta have everything so everything ends up sucking.  You put in world pvp because there is always that segment that demands world pvp no matter how unbalanced it ends up and how the population always cannibalizes itself, but you keep it separated from everything else so it doesn't affect the pvers.  You put in crafting because there is always a group that wants crafting, but you never make it give the best items because that upsets the raiders and pvpers.  You gotta have battlegrounds and dungeons with dungeon finders and raids and talent trees and gigantic shoulderpads and mounts and talent trees and levels...etc etc etc.  Because god forbid you piss off any possible customer.  There is absolutely no reason any game should have world pvp unless the game is entirely based around world pvp.  You are either making the nect Daoc or Shadowbane or you are just marking off things off a checklist.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on November 10, 2013, 03:15:28 PM
DaoC had the exact same problem though in regards to Population and Participation.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: MediumHigh on November 10, 2013, 05:38:32 PM
It's intellectually dishonest to assume that a game made with mmo dollars should slavishly devote all its attention to one game made/rule set. It makes sense to us forum warriors since we only play 10% of any given game anyway and half us will never be better than mediocre at it anyway. But to the average Timmy they want as many game modes as possible because that determines to them anyway whether or not they play for 2 months or 6 years.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on November 10, 2013, 06:41:25 PM
The average Timmy might enjoy a couple well done game modes more than twenty half assed ones also.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Cadaverine on November 10, 2013, 07:08:12 PM
The average Timmy couldn't find his ass with both hands, and a map.  I don't know that building your game around his input is that great of an idea.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: MediumHigh on November 10, 2013, 09:01:26 PM
How about building your game around his dollars  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on November 11, 2013, 01:30:33 PM
Regardless WvW is clearly not just a 'checkbox' feature in GW2, so I don't know why we're on this tangent.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on November 12, 2013, 08:22:31 AM
I'm really enjoying this Season WvW stuff and this is coming from a server that wakes up each morning to see all the BLs and EB taken over by the one server with an overnight crew. I cannot think of a way to prevent that and some servers are just going to have much better 24/7 coverage. Population imbalance is something that these types of games will always struggle with and I personally have no idea how to fix that without wrecking some other aspect of it that I would prefer not to lose.

We have basically none unless some of the WvW guilds pull 18-20 hour days playing, which is pretty unreasonable. The prime time fights are ridiculously fun though, even if there is no way for us to win our match this week.

Overall, more people are involved. I know more about all my classes than I did 3 weeks ago and instead of running cookie cutter specs - I am starting to make my own that fit my playstyle. I've actually gotten back to being involved with the server community which is something that hasn't happened since the DAoC days.

Season 1 has been pretty much win for me so far /shrug.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: tazelbain on November 12, 2013, 01:20:23 PM
Although GW2 WvW is the best so far, it still suffers from "the best time to fight when there is no opposition."  This is a fundamental an anti-casual state. Player vs Door > Player vs Player still the biggest problem with Large Scale PVP.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Venkman on November 12, 2013, 05:00:29 PM
Is that a game design flaw or a human nature one though?

I always feel like games built entirely on the concept of constant achievement through predictable encounters contradict the premise of WvW (a constant fight with uncertain outcome). Of course, PvP in general presents a contradiction between what players say they want (balance) versus what they really mean (for them to win and everyone else to lose).

Unless you do the SB approach of scheduled fights, I don't see a way to get around this problem.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on November 12, 2013, 06:52:02 PM
Don't divide your player base by region would be a start.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on November 12, 2013, 07:20:29 PM
Although GW2 WvW is the best so far, it still suffers from "the best time to fight when there is no opposition."  This is a fundamental an anti-casual state. Player vs Door > Player vs Player still the biggest problem with Large Scale PVP.

I'm not sure that 'players might try to engage in sound military tactics' is really a problem. Taking undefended targets is always going to be important.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: tazelbain on November 12, 2013, 07:43:07 PM
Its still a game. If a game can't balance with real life, it not going to work in the long run.  Is it undefended because your opponents have chosen other objectives? Or because they prioritized employment over a video game? That seems pretty key.  Anyway A.net has the population data, they control the scoring system, its not rocket science.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on November 12, 2013, 07:49:44 PM
Quite frankly in BF4 I always attack poorly defended points. While shooting mans is fun, it's now how the game is (usually) scored.

WvW's problem is that it's very fuzzy as to how balanced the teams were to start with, same issue DAOC had and such. Not the PvD, but the lack of a balanced number of players PvDing you back if you ignore them. You don't really want to tell the players no when they say they want to play with their friends on server X, but you also need some way to encourage play on what is going to be the losing team for quite a while.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on November 13, 2013, 09:07:43 AM
Anyway A.net has the population data, they control the scoring system, its not rocket science.

It's not rocket science, it's revenue generation science.  WvW and its leagues are the result of reading the data and calculating how to get people to spend gems on transferring.  Not only do people transfer to stacked servers to win, but many guilds transfer FROM stacked servers to escape long queues and give themselves more of a challenge.

That said, TC is having fun this season.  Having accepted the fact that JQ will be at least 100k points ahead of us by the end of any week with them, we just adapt.  I think that's the strength of TC from the start and why we get underestimated; we don't rage, we learn from getting stomped.  Even got to kill/be killed by some SLAP folks!  Nice to see ya.  As an extra added bonus, one of our best liked guilds moved to SoS and we really enjoy hunting them. 

"It is what it is"...as skewed as the numbers may be, and whatever balance is, and whatever blobs mean skill-wise, the important thing to remember is that with WvW they're doing what other games have shied away from.  Gotta give them credit for that. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on November 14, 2013, 12:00:30 PM
So, they're adding some sort of precursor scavenger hunt (according to data mined shit in the newest patch)?  How much you want to bet it takes longer than farming up for a precursor or ends up costing more?  Or it could cost like $30 in gems.

5 ranks from my wvw meta, which means it's essentially done.  I think I can manage 5 ranks, even with our SRS BZNS matchups coming in the next weeks.  We're (JQ) still getting 2nd, I think.  SOR is shitting the bed and arguably their best guild is probably pissing off back to EU (IRON).  They'll be so damn weak, even attempting to stop the BG train will be futile. Plus, we've had such easy matchups lately, it'll be Tuesday before we're able to get any traction.  Reset day is going to be brutal.

This newest LS update is kind of garbage.  The rewards are OK, and the soloable tiny instances are OK, but the annoying debuff thing is annoying.  Also, giant gauntlets of death are only doable when people are around that will actually do it.  Floor 3 is a bit stupid.  I'm not sure they can do much better.

edit: SoR is ticking at a 45 right now.  Jesus.  BG is a monster right now.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on November 14, 2013, 12:19:35 PM
I finally finished my WvW meta last night, went around looking for walls and doors to repair to do it. Wouldn't mind the gasmask reward for the LS meta this time around, but not sure I am really wanting to do the stuff to get it. The only time I have really dealt with the toxic crap is because they stuck it in all the PvE content sprinkled in WvW.

We are just finishing up our weekly matchup against the two servers that will probably go 1-2 in Bronze and they leveled us pretty good. I woke up Monday morning and logged in to find that HoD had completely taken over the world overnight. They owned pretty much everything they could and that was the end of this week.

Gate of Madness is definitely a PvE server and every second week on Tuesday WvW becomes a ghosttown for us, even more so because we are a very distant third place. Next week is a better match up for us though, so I expect to see a return once we jump out to a what I anticipate will be a quick lead on reset night.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on November 14, 2013, 01:36:40 PM
So, they're adding some sort of precursor scavenger hunt (according to data mined shit in the newest patch)?  How much you want to bet it takes longer than farming up for a precursor or ends up costing more?  Or it could cost like $30 in gems.

5 ranks from my wvw meta, which means it's essentially done.  I think I can manage 5 ranks, even with our SRS BZNS matchups coming in the next weeks.  We're (JQ) still getting 2nd, I think.  SOR is shitting the bed and arguably their best guild is probably pissing off back to EU (IRON).  They'll be so damn weak, even attempting to stop the BG train will be futile. Plus, we've had such easy matchups lately, it'll be Tuesday before we're able to get any traction.  Reset day is going to be brutal.

This newest LS update is kind of garbage.  The rewards are OK, and the soloable tiny instances are OK, but the annoying debuff thing is annoying.  Also, giant gauntlets of death are only doable when people are around that will actually do it.  Floor 3 is a bit stupid.  I'm not sure they can do much better.

edit: SoR is ticking at a 45 right now.  Jesus.  BG is a monster right now.


Money is so easy to get that any scavenger hunt is bound to be harder than the two weeks of half assed farming buying it would cost.  But it allows people to do it in small quantifiable steps, which is really what they want.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on November 14, 2013, 01:52:43 PM
So, they're adding some sort of precursor scavenger hunt (according to data mined shit in the newest patch)?  How much you want to bet it takes longer than farming up for a precursor or ends up costing more?  Or it could cost like $30 in gems.

5 ranks from my wvw meta, which means it's essentially done.  I think I can manage 5 ranks, even with our SRS BZNS matchups coming in the next weeks.  We're (JQ) still getting 2nd, I think.  SOR is shitting the bed and arguably their best guild is probably pissing off back to EU (IRON).  They'll be so damn weak, even attempting to stop the BG train will be futile. Plus, we've had such easy matchups lately, it'll be Tuesday before we're able to get any traction.  Reset day is going to be brutal.

This newest LS update is kind of garbage.  The rewards are OK, and the soloable tiny instances are OK, but the annoying debuff thing is annoying.  Also, giant gauntlets of death are only doable when people are around that will actually do it.  Floor 3 is a bit stupid.  I'm not sure they can do much better.

edit: SoR is ticking at a 45 right now.  Jesus.  BG is a monster right now.



We can beat BG as long as whoever the third is isn't shitting on us too. Week one was that, because JQ has the easy schedule and SoR was SURE it would run over BG, so JQ had to be stopped and blah blah.

SoR bought into it's own hype, then failed and imploded because of it. BG tricked them and it's ruined SoR. They've lost their server identity and morale. The pugs don't trust the pins, the pins are openly berating the pugs and the guilds are all blaming each other for buying BG's snake-oil. TC may very well get 3rd place at this rate.

In order for us to take 1st, I think we basically need to beat BG in our 1v1 and then somehow get BG into a 3rd place in one other week, which probably isn't happening. Not unless SoR somehow pulls its shit together for that last week, if only out of spite for BG.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on November 14, 2013, 01:54:54 PM
Money is so easy

Not here it isn't.  I spend a majority of my time in wvw.  I don't really play enough to supplement this with farming. 

But, I guess it is for some.  There's people in my guild on their 7th legendary.  Some dude has every single thing from the gem store that he's purchased with only gold.  Meanwhile, I can't buy a full set of certain runes.   :sad_panda:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on November 14, 2013, 02:01:28 PM
Well obviously i meant money is easy if you focus is getting money, it ain't just going to magically appear in your bags.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on November 14, 2013, 02:01:55 PM
I really wish it would!  :sad:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on November 14, 2013, 02:08:25 PM
We can beat BG as long as whoever the third is isn't shitting on us too. Week one was that, because JQ has the easy schedule and SoR was SURE it would run over BG, so JQ had to be stopped and blah blah.

SoR bought into it's own hype, then failed and imploded because of it. BG tricked them and it's ruined SoR. They've lost their server identity and morale. The pugs don't trust the pins, the pins are openly berating the pugs and the guilds are all blaming each other for buying BG's snake-oil. TC may very well get 3rd place at this rate.

In order for us to take 1st, I think we basically need to beat BG in our 1v1 and then somehow get BG into a 3rd place in one other week, which probably isn't happening. Not unless SoR somehow pulls its shit together for that last week, if only out of spite for BG.  :why_so_serious:

Our offbrand/third-string commanders have this problem too. The second Elvadara Dod (I hate this kid), Molasses Mussles, or someone like Ninja Spawn pin up, people just lose all confidence and start steadily ticking away.  These guys can't win fights and take objectives even when we have overwhelming numbers.  At least Molasses doesn't fill teamspeak with spergy teen tantrums like the others; he just sucks.   It's sad when I look forward to LeeT and HZH commanders.  The alternatives are just that bad.

Heh, I think BG is floating rumors that MERC or waha is leaving.   :awesome_for_real:

I don't think SOS, TC or Mag will go along with us beating BG.  We haven't been nice enough, and they've had too much of us.   Plus, coverage.

I really wish it would!  :sad:

I needed a precursor to drop.  Last week.   I did get an exotic with a divinity rune doing Orr map completion while waiting for queue.  /flex


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on November 18, 2013, 11:00:11 AM
Looking like there's a real possibility of a 2 way tie for first in tier 1 NA.  Well, provided BG's EU coverage dominance doesn't kick into overdrive and start steamrolling this week's matchup.   SoR, I believe, had a sizeable lead going into the week in their first matchup and then just got knocked the fuck out.

I have gotten used to jumping with my charr.  Cue end of the world in 5.. 4.. 3.. 2.. 1..

Apparently ascended armor is right around the corner. I will not be able to afford any of this garbage.  I wonder what the overall statistical advantage is going to be and how this will assjam wvw.  Weapons are already more than should be allowed.

Full set for one character: 3000 bloodstone dusk/dragonite ore/empyreal fragments (if it requires a vision crystal for each).  5 augur stones.  180 obsidian shards. Thermocatalytic Reagent costs will start to stack up.  Plus material cost and leveling.  Gossamer is going to be incredibly expensive.  So, good luck with that.  Tailoring will be the worst out of  all of them.   I wonder if hardened leather has started spiking yet, although that'll be the least contested.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: amiable on November 18, 2013, 11:13:47 AM

I don't think SOS, TC or Mag will go along with us beating BG.  We haven't been nice enough, and they've had too much of us.   Plus, coverage.



I can tell you the general sentiment on Mag is $#%# everybody, let's troll.  Since we are never going to win PPT we just spend all our time sieging up stuff to hell, sneak attacking waypoints, roaming, gvg, and just generally being a nuisance.  We make no deals.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on November 18, 2013, 11:57:14 AM

I don't think SOS, TC or Mag will go along with us beating BG.  We haven't been nice enough, and they've had too much of us.   Plus, coverage.



I can tell you the general sentiment on Mag is $#%# everybody, let's troll.  Since we are never going to win PPT we just spend all our time sieging up stuff to hell, sneak attacking waypoints, roaming, gvg, and just generally being a nuisance.  We make no deals.

How is that different from any other server?  :why_so_serious:


Rasix, unless something truly catastrophic happens, I don't see BG beating our SEA. Our SEA looks like its been staying up to cut into BG's Russian/Euro coverage, which just means we only need to stop the bleeding till our NA logs back in and then it's probably in our favor from then to SEA again. BG had an early weekend lead from reset due to superior bloodlust maintenance, but our insistence on maintaining our keeps and breaking their WPs slowly overturned it.

Still close match so far, like 4-5k separation only.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on November 18, 2013, 12:42:15 PM
This PPT is troubling, Ford.  These guys don't have jobs.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on November 18, 2013, 01:22:51 PM
Nah, that's just the EU hole we have. The big issue is when they paper the WP's.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on November 18, 2013, 02:00:51 PM
http://imgur.com/a/p7DhG

I love that gas mask lol.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on November 19, 2013, 12:02:12 PM
The papering of keeps is killing more momentum then I'd hoped. The other thing is we don't only have to stop the bleeding on our own stuff, but SoS's as well and we clearly don't have enough in that time zone to do both.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on November 19, 2013, 01:32:21 PM
At about 9-11 PST we start tapering off.  SoS loses any presence and we start to get less organized. Our second string commanders are less effective (sadly even our own guild's).  BG can just blob free on all 3 BLs.   Around midnight or later, they'll have papered all of our keeps.   By then the damage, as you've said, is done.  Enter SoR demoralization syndrome.  100 point ticks during the day when their crazy ass Russians run free.  

I'll give them something, they keep up their zergs 24/7.  You always encounter BG blobs when you encounter BG.  No piddly ass 15 person groups. 30-80 or go home.  They don't suck either, we're losing fights where we'd steam roll any other server.

Do we even have Euro guilds?  Mance joked that 30% of our Euro base is SG daytime players.   :awesome_for_real:

...

And.. updates to fractals.  I've never done one.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on November 19, 2013, 01:49:33 PM
EU has always been a hole for us, it's literally NA housewives and college students and stuff like that. We have a few small EU guilds that put in a ton of work, but you can only do so much with whats available.

It's usually a hole for all NA servers (Since EU people would rather play on their own servers usually) so it didn't matter before. It's also why IRON always got so much shit for their shit talking on the forums, since they were essentially fighting no one most of the time.



It's the papering of the WP's though, JQ's plan against other T1 servers was always maintaining a WP on each BL and just being able to Map hop our shitty timezones effectively. Instead of being able to maintain a WP, we have to rebuild one each day so we can't claw back effectively.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: amiable on November 20, 2013, 08:03:17 AM

I don't think SOS, TC or Mag will go along with us beating BG.  We haven't been nice enough, and they've had too much of us.   Plus, coverage.



I can tell you the general sentiment on Mag is $#%# everybody, let's troll.  Since we are never going to win PPT we just spend all our time sieging up stuff to hell, sneak attacking waypoints, roaming, gvg, and just generally being a nuisance.  We make no deals.

How is that different from any other server?  :why_so_serious:


Well it seems substantially different from BG and the "let's buy guilds to super stack our server" and the constant whining from the T1 servers on the official forums about JQ's easier schedule.  I know we have been approached by several of the T1 servers in match-ups to double team other servers in exchange for second place and thus far we have laughed off these suggestions.  :awesome_for_real:

We also had a lot of people pull all-nighters to get into gold league knowing we would get our face smashed just so we wouldn't kitten-stomp in the silver league and would have the luxury of non-stop action in every borderland.  I would say its a substantially different mentality than the T1 PPT servers, not better, just different.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on November 20, 2013, 11:23:01 AM
Seriously, it's like most of the server collectively decided getting stomped in gold league would be more fun than running roughshod over the silver league.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on November 20, 2013, 11:28:31 AM
I'm referring to "Since we are never going to win PPT we just spend all our time sieging up stuff to hell, sneak attacking waypoints, roaming, gvg, and just generally being a nuisance."

You have basically just described what WvW is :P


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: amiable on November 20, 2013, 11:55:23 AM
I'm referring to "Since we are never going to win PPT we just spend all our time sieging up stuff to hell, sneak attacking waypoints, roaming, gvg, and just generally being a nuisance."

You have basically just described what WvW is :P

Not from what I've seen of Tier 1 play, which seems to be forming up as large a zerg as possible and playing in literally the most boring way imaginable (super cautious siege creeping, little roaming etc...)

While Mag does zerg from time to time (especially when xushin is around) we usually have lots of small groups running all over the place, I haven't seen a lot of 10-15 (what I consider gvg) man roaming groups in from the big 3, it's either 50 folks or 1-5.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: tazelbain on November 20, 2013, 12:54:59 PM
In good large scale pvp, the map needs be larger than gamer's ability to organize. EvE works in a lots ways just because the map is an order of magnitude larger than players can organize. SB failed a lot because summoning shrunk the world dramatically.  Because the maps in GW 2 are small enough that every meaningful objective is at most 7 mins from each other, its not particularly hard to cover that in a single player org structure.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on November 20, 2013, 01:03:21 PM
If I remember correctly, I think overall the DAoC frontiers were larger than the WvW zones in GW2, but that didn't stop the zerging in DAoC.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: zumu on November 20, 2013, 01:14:04 PM

Not from what I've seen of Tier 1 play, which seems to be forming up as large a zerg as possible and playing in literally the most boring way imaginable (super cautious siege creeping, little roaming etc...)


This is why I quit the game.

Imho it's the way they handle wxp that causes this. It needs to get split up like in DAoC, instead of everyone who remotely participated in a kill/capture getting full credit.

I can forgive a lot of the games faults (glacial balancing, ascended grinding, necessary PvE... etc.), but the zerg fest pretty much eliminated the only game mode I enjoyed (solo/gank squad roaming).

All that dead horse kicking aside, I'm thinking about giving it another go. Yay, cognitive dissonance.

What classes do you think are best for the zerg? Necro? Engi?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: amiable on November 20, 2013, 01:36:03 PM


What classes do you think are best for the zerg? Necro? Engi?

Negatory on the engy (which is great for roaming).  Current meta is 30 hammer warriors 15 guardians 10 well necros with unblockable marks and a couple mesmers for veils. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on November 20, 2013, 01:40:05 PM
WXP has nothing to do with force size. Map zergs existed before WXP even existed.



Don't forget the staff ele's for the water fields :P


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: zumu on November 20, 2013, 01:48:35 PM
Map zergs existed before WXP even existed.

Don't forget the staff ele's for the water fields :P

True, but as someone who exclusively roamed WvW for the first 8ish months of this game's release, I will tell you from experience that zergs are both larger and more numerous than pre-wxp. Mind you I haven't played in a few months, so I'm talking out of my ass a little here, but I think it holds.

My main was an ele. I might give it another shot, but it will be hard for me to come to terms with no longer being invincible.


Current meta is 30 hammer warriors 15 guardians 10 well necros with unblockable marks and a couple mesmers for veils. 

What server? Or all servers? (I'm JQ)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: tazelbain on November 20, 2013, 01:54:30 PM
If I remember correctly, I think overall the DAoC frontiers were larger than the WvW zones in GW2, but that didn't stop the zerging in DAoC.
Still not even close to being to large enough and DAoC had so few objectives that situation was worse since you could ignore 95% of the battlefield





Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: zumu on November 20, 2013, 02:06:12 PM
Another problem with DAoC was that the best way to advance your character (via RA's) was to ignore map objectives and just gank.

Whereas, with GW2 map objectives > ganking as far as wxp is concerned.

Maybe in 10 years the next open-world PvPvP game will strike a balance [sigh]


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on November 20, 2013, 02:12:27 PM
JQ doesn't give a shit what you run as long as you don't rallybot. JQ is much more concerned with you getting on TeamSpeak and working with everyone else then any kind of class/spec.

Individual guilds may have their own comps when they run without a pin. Especially if they go do a organized GvG or something.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on November 20, 2013, 03:49:14 PM
Yeah, JQ's pretty accepting of any and all snowflakes in its zergs. As long as you don't explode instantly when someone glances your way, you're good (and even then, they probably won't give you too much shit beyond "you should probably swap your gear around there, champ.").


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on November 20, 2013, 04:01:18 PM
Sometimes on JQ (at least with predominately SG groups), we have to run different combat strats just because we lack the numbers for an effective war/guard tank line.  You can't go spear head to spear head when SoR has a group consisting of 50% guardians spamming staff 1.  SoR just has a lot of guardians in general it seems.   Hell, we've got our fair share of rangers.   EB seems to avoid that problem; I swear it gives queue preference to anyone in heavy armor.

Roaming in t1 shouldn't be that bad, although the number of people participating is going to make certain aspects more difficult.  Granted, I don't solo/small group roam a lot.   It's just your going to run into that zerg, which you should obviously keep an eye out for and just avoid like the plague.  You're going to have havoc groups running around.  These could be 5-10 guys that will go out of their way to kill you.  Plus, the roaming is going to be more small 3-4 person groups instead of just the soloer.  The atomic level is going to be similar, I'd imagine.  Same trolly ass builds, same amount of annoying rogues/eng/warriors.  

Next week's matchup should be interesting.  Demoralized server v. demoralized server. Hopefully we can keep our shit together a bit better this time.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on November 20, 2013, 04:29:01 PM
Week long karma train to level alts and finish achievements  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: amiable on November 21, 2013, 07:29:37 AM
Mag tends to run a lot of 10-15 man havoc squads, even when we do manage to fully queue a server.  We were able to hold all our territory in EBG last night while being double-teamed by SoR and TC (at least when I was on) and hold SM and random keeps much of the time as well.    Of course we lose itall around 2 am EST when our night crew (the NPC guards) comes online.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on November 21, 2013, 08:57:15 AM
There's days I sorta regret following Bat Country (LOL) to a server that ended up being in the bottom Tier, but overall I'm pretty happy not to having to deal with queues and usually only a single zerg or two. It's like you guys are playing a completely different WvW game.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: MediumHigh on November 21, 2013, 10:12:40 AM
Coming from the old Guild Wars 1 mentality, one of the best inventions from that franchise was heroes and henchmen. Not as good as real players no, but you can have 4 (and now 7) to an active player and use them to do missions and even do some PVP maps/game modes. Why not bring the concept to WvW where you can assign henchmen to be your night/off hour crew, make it a resource gathering game. Get money => Buy henchmen for the hour(s) => Leave your keep partially protected. Hell make a RTS style minigame where one player manage the henchmen crew or crew(s) against invaders.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: tazelbain on November 21, 2013, 10:22:12 AM
There's days I sorta regret following Bat Country (LOL) to a server that ended up being in the bottom Tier, but overall I'm pretty happy not to having to deal with queues and usually only a single zerg or two. It's like you guys are playing a completely different WvW game.
With the mass migrations nobody could have know how things would have turned out a year later.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on November 21, 2013, 10:54:07 AM
Coming from the old Guild Wars 1 mentality, one of the best inventions from that franchise was heroes and henchmen. Not as good as real players no

What are you talking about, my heroes from GW1 were far superior to any actual player i have ever played with.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: MediumHigh on November 21, 2013, 11:11:35 AM
Coming from the old Guild Wars 1 mentality, one of the best inventions from that franchise was heroes and henchmen. Not as good as real players no

What are you talking about, my heroes from GW1 were far superior to any actual player i have ever played with.

Sadly more true than not true


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on November 21, 2013, 11:46:12 AM
Mag tends to run a lot of 10-15 man havoc squads, even when we do manage to fully queue a server.  We were able to hold all our territory in EBG last night while being double-teamed by SoR and TC (at least when I was on) and hold SM and random keeps much of the time as well.    Of course we lose itall around 2 am EST when our night crew (the NPC guards) comes online.

EBG is strange strange beast on the T1's. Organized guild groups can almost never actually get their groups into EBG due to queues and mostly ignore them. Which turns EB into this permanent state of pug-train with it's own sub culture and it's own EB only commanders, which have to lead in a significant different and amusing ways. You'll have commanders in there who are perfectly multilingual and can speak like 2-3+ languages. Then you'll have commanders that say nothing at all and simply lead through pin movements.  :why_so_serious:



-edit-

We are never going to see hero's and henchmen in GW2. GW2's AI is SIGNIFICANTLY worse then GW1's. Comically so.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on November 21, 2013, 03:05:39 PM
Mag tends to run a lot of 10-15 man havoc squads, even when we do manage to fully queue a server.  We were able to hold all our territory in EBG last night while being double-teamed by SoR and TC (at least when I was on) and hold SM and random keeps much of the time as well.    Of course we lose itall around 2 am EST when our night crew (the NPC guards) comes online.

That's interesting, given the huge amount of "waaah 10-15 man squaaaads" whining the Mag forum warriors were doing. To hear them tell it, Mag only runs around in groups of one. Two if they're feeling zergy.  :awesome_for_real: I know it was likely 90% trolling, but it's still kinda funny.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on November 21, 2013, 09:35:08 PM
What are you talking about, my heroes from GW1 were far superior to any actual player i have ever played with.
My heroes were far superior to ME.

That's why I liked them.  I could kit them out so I could handle things I'd never be able to do on my own.  Heals, buffs, interrupts, minions?  Thanks guys!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: amiable on November 22, 2013, 07:00:41 AM
Mag tends to run a lot of 10-15 man havoc squads, even when we do manage to fully queue a server.  We were able to hold all our territory in EBG last night while being double-teamed by SoR and TC (at least when I was on) and hold SM and random keeps much of the time as well.    Of course we lose itall around 2 am EST when our night crew (the NPC guards) comes online.

That's interesting, given the huge amount of "waaah 10-15 man squaaaads" whining the Mag forum warriors were doing. To hear them tell it, Mag only runs around in groups of one. Two if they're feeling zergy.  :awesome_for_real: I know it was likely 90% trolling, but it's still kinda funny.

Oh just ignore the obvious trolls.  If folks want to 1v1 they should play sPvP. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on November 22, 2013, 09:35:49 AM
Seriously, what a weird way to approach a game like GW2.  It's like showing up to a baseball game with a basketball.  "Hey man, we're playing basketball on this baseball field because baseball is for baddies." 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: MediumHigh on November 22, 2013, 11:52:26 AM
Meh its like bring shovels to the beach when everyone else is stacking seashells.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on November 22, 2013, 12:15:54 PM
It's neither of those things, it's just people who hate losing, so they make up their own win condition that is immensely stacked in their favor.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: amiable on November 22, 2013, 12:28:15 PM
It's neither of those things, it's just people who hate losing, so they make up their own win condition that is immensely stacked in their favor.

Meh, I agree to an extent but I would argue that ANET doesn't like Zerg-wars and time-zone wars play very much either, because they understand it is boring and detrimental to keeping players.  They just haven't found out a way to deal with it.  (the best way would be AOE's, but that is a programming limitation because allowing unlimited AOE's apparently causes too much server strain).


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on November 22, 2013, 12:49:39 PM
Zerg bust.  You claim to do it, so do it.  :awesome_for_real:

That term gets thrown around a lot, but I've not really seen it happen much in practice.  I've seen us kinda do it, but not against t1 reliably.  And when it happens, it's mostly plowing into a bunch of morons PVD'ing and not checking their rear.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: MediumHigh on November 22, 2013, 12:53:38 PM
Time-Zone wars yes. Zerg wars? Honestly at this point I argue that the people complaining about it are merely a very vocal minority. The casuals (the meat of RVR type games) don't give a shit about time zone wars or mega zergs, they just don't want to be herded into mass deaths. The serious gamers get organized and generally favor "skirmish" style warfare, 8v8, 15v15, and generally hate the time-zone wars. Then their is the guys inbetween, casual enough to attract large groups of gamers, but serious enough to organize 30+ players for an objective. A large enough map allows for all of these types of players to coexist. And their all needed to make the game dynamic and fun. Oh and even sides, which kills the casuals, the hardcore, and the inbetweeners all the same.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on November 22, 2013, 01:15:14 PM
It's neither of those things, it's just people who hate losing, so they make up their own win condition that is immensely stacked in their favor.

Meh, I agree to an extent but I would argue that ANET doesn't like Zerg-wars and time-zone wars play very much either, because they understand it is boring and detrimental to keeping players.  They just haven't found out a way to deal with it.  (the best way would be AOE's, but that is a programming limitation because allowing unlimited AOE's apparently causes too much server strain).

No, Zerging keeps players, since it's inclusive and low maintenance on the players part. Anyone can just hop onto a zerg and have a good time.

PvP games die when they cannibalize their own playerbase by forcing them into strict class/group comps and/or demand the top tier of grind to stay relevant.



What ANET wants is for the casual once in awhile PvP'er to jump onto a zerg and have a big epic battle and then fuck off and never ever think about actual mechanical balance in WvW.

They also want the super tight knit hardcore PvP'er to go play SPvP where everyone is on a even playing field and they can showcase all that elite top tier skill for their ESPORTS dreams.



What ANET somehow failed to figure out, is that WvW people are just as hardcore as anyone else and will game their system just like any other aspect of the game.

They also failed to realize the number of people that want actual fair fights on even playing fields is very small and only shrinks as players find out they aren't as awesome as they think they are at the video game and go and filter into another avenue of the game where they can stack their deck.



The day ANET 'breaks' zergs, is the day WvW just dies.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: MediumHigh on November 22, 2013, 01:39:18 PM
Actually the "fair fight" people are quite large. Wonder why so many people are running around in 8 mans and going out of their way to GvG's? Well its because their SPVP model is garbage. Its (capture point) a shit play mode no one wants to play. If they ever introduce team death match a lot of hardcore guilds would simply play that and us WvW as their casual play ground. Anet tried to shove a gamemode no one wants to play on a playerbase and it didn't work so everyone is just WvW till Anet gets their shit together.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on November 22, 2013, 01:59:01 PM
People will play TDM for a month, get rolled and then it will be the same little subset of the player base using it that currently use the Capture and Hold maps. Then someone will bitch what they really need is a CTF map!  :why_so_serious:


People run little gank squads so they can claim they are awesome when they win a fight, and that they were zerged/cheesed when they lose. It's the same thing as the random solo duelist guy, just scaled up a little bit. The solo guys hates the duo's+, the duo's hate the 5 mans, the 5 mans hate the gank squads, the gank squads hate the guild groups, the guild groups hate the map zergs and the map zergs bitch that the enemy map zerg has more people... somehow.  :why_so_serious:


Like, how many honest to goodness GvG's actually happen in any given matchup week? Those guys are very much in the minority.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on November 22, 2013, 01:59:53 PM
Those "so many" people 8v8ing are a tiny fraction of the people in the frontier at any given time.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: MediumHigh on November 22, 2013, 02:20:00 PM
People will play TDM for a month, get rolled and then it will be the same little subset of the player base using it that currently use the Capture and Hold maps. Then someone will bitch what they really need is a CTF map!  :why_so_serious:


People run little gank squads so they can claim they are awesome when they win a fight, and that they were zerged/cheesed when they lose. It's the same thing as the random solo duelist guy, just scaled up a little bit. The solo guys hates the duo's+, the duo's hate the 5 mans, the 5 mans hate the gank squads, the gank squads hate the guild groups, the guild groups hate the map zergs and the map zergs bitch that the enemy map zerg has more people... somehow.  :why_so_serious:


Like, how many honest to goodness GvG's actually happen in any given matchup week? Those guys are very much in the minority.

Mostly because the way the que works doesn't allow everybody who wants to do it to do it (besides WvW is very limiting by its nature). TDM is to Guild Wars as Summoners Rift is to League of Legends. People will rage, and gripe about classes, feeders, etc, etc, but ultimately if Riot told everyone they had to play Twisted Treeline or Dominion, we'd have a HON sub-forum instead of a LoL sub-forum. A crapton of people just play the game for the pve and transition into WvW, which for Anet is working as intended. Anyone JUST playing for pvp is left with... "sports"pvp or hurling yourself into the zerg.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on November 27, 2013, 12:53:48 PM
I hate to leave free achievement points on the table (especially nearing 5000), but are all fractals as assy as this story one?  This isn't DAoC pve bad, but this stuff isn't good either.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on November 27, 2013, 01:49:27 PM
No, this story thing is just dumb and punishing to pugs. Some of the fractals have the same issue (being coordination based, and thus vulnerable to pickup groups going every which way) which is why Fractals aren't really that popular to pug.

I took a stab at a pickup for the story, and promptly said fuck it when people couldn't even stick together during a fight, and two members would just wander the fuck off and aggro more shit and complain they had no help killing it since everyone else was still fighting the last pack of shit.

On the up side: I've had a sudden revival of interest in my mesmer, which has been a load of fun.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on November 27, 2013, 05:59:09 PM
Group content is my least favorite part of this game, fractals were basically what lead me to quit for the first time months ago.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on November 27, 2013, 10:14:05 PM
So WXP is going to become account wide. Expected change imo, but the odd (promising!) line from the announcement is:

Quote
We will be building this change into the public test that [[we are currently holding/ will begin soon]] to test out the newest WvW map, the Edge of the Mists.

Wait, public test? Are we getting a public test realm for just this, or permanent use? Because it would really benefit the game if they'd stop with the private NDA'd test realms.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: zumu on November 28, 2013, 02:21:46 PM
I am under the impression it is a private test (at least initially).

Your guild has to sign up to participate and they run trials of the map at varying intervals.

Link (https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/wuv/wuv/Edge-of-the-Mists-Testing-Update) to relevant forum post.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fraeg on November 30, 2013, 10:07:57 PM

Not from what I've seen of Tier 1 play, which seems to be forming up as large a zerg as possible and playing in literally the most boring way imaginable (super cautious siege creeping, little roaming etc...)


This is why I quit the game.

Imho it's the way they handle wxp that causes this. It needs to get split up like in DAoC, instead of everyone who remotely participated in a kill/capture getting full credit.

I can forgive a lot of the games faults (glacial balancing, ascended grinding, necessary PvE... etc.), but the zerg fest pretty much eliminated the only game mode I enjoyed (solo/gank squad roaming).

All that dead horse kicking aside, I'm thinking about giving it another go. Yay, cognitive dissonance.

What classes do you think are best for the zerg? Necro? Engi?

If you prefer solo/havoc/5 man stuff might be worth dropping down in tiers.  Look at servers like eBay, BP,  NSP, yaks

If you really want to run with the Zerg a power wells Necro works fine,   Make sure you take chill on blind and slot plague


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fraeg on November 30, 2013, 10:18:26 PM
People will play TDM for a month, get rolled and then it will be the same little subset of the player base using it that currently use the Capture and Hold maps. Then someone will bitch what they really need is a CTF map!  :why_so_serious:


People run little gank squads so they can claim they are awesome when they win a fight, and that they were zerged/cheesed when they lose. It's the same thing as the random solo duelist guy, just scaled up a little bit. The solo guys hates the duo's+, the duo's hate the 5 mans, the 5 mans hate the gank squads, the gank squads hate the guild groups, the guild groups hate the map zergs and the map zergs bitch that the enemy map zerg has more people... somehow.  :why_so_serious:


Like, how many honest to goodness GvG's actually happen in any given matchup week? Those guys are very much in the minority.

Will be interesting to see how thing shake up with the new gvg arena.   There is a gvg league with rankings.

The gvg guild i am tries to schedule 2 Gvgs a week, and win or lose they are the highlight of the gw2 week for me.    /shrug

We might be in the minority but it is about as "fair" a fight as you can get.  Typically do 15v15 best of 5.  Some nights there are several Gvgs scheduled that run back to back with a decent sized audience.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on December 05, 2013, 12:07:37 PM
Actually did a full set of fractals.  YEP. Done with that shit.  Not very fun to PUG at all.

WVW is just dying off now at around 9PST.  I think Jade Quarry is officially done with Season 1 and just wants a break now.  Of course, Blackgate is still fielding full map zergs (HOW?).

Is the upcoming Wintersday stuff any good (ie was it last year)?  I think I quit shortly before it when the game was released.





Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nebu on December 05, 2013, 12:39:21 PM
Did some WvW for the first time sisce coming back to the game.  For reference, I quit 2 months after release.   Seems nearly everyone in WvW is a warrior or guardian. 

How long after 80 would you say it takes to get fully geared and competitive in WvW?  Playing with a mid-30's alt I got WTFPWND by everyone that came near me. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on December 05, 2013, 12:46:39 PM
Uplevels are pretty much rally bots unless you're really awesome at positioning and obviously not playing a front liner.   Still, it just takes one rogue looking at you wrong to die in seconds.

I'd say it takes anywhere from 20-60 gold to get competitively geared at 80.   PVT (power/vitality/toughness) armor can be gotten from Orr temples (not all pieces but most) for karma and for WvW badges.  Buying it off the TP isn't cheap, since it's not a craftable without someone salvaging the inscription.  If you're condition based, you can also get rabid (cond damage, precision, toughness) armor for karma also.  

It doesn't take time.  Your wvw ranks are not super duper important for your effectiveness as an individual.   It just takes gold or an appropriate amount of karma/badges.    I geared my 80 guardian at a fairly low cost.  I spent money on the inscriptions to craft his weapons and his sigils/runes.  But, I had all of that to work with already.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on December 05, 2013, 12:48:36 PM
Wow that's more expensive than it used to be. I just ran karma stuff until I could buy the Melandru armor and crafted the rest.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on December 05, 2013, 12:52:48 PM
Well, I'm speaking from a SG perspective, not a SLAP one.  :awesome_for_real:  The Melandru temple armor is good for 4 heavy pieces (because it's PVT), it's crap otherwise. Plus, I'd rather run soldier's runes if you're utilizing shouts as a warrior on guardian.  Survival stats and extra condition removal is nice.

The tab for my guardian was:

9 gold for 2 soldier's inscriptions (I have another one, but that's not necessary)
7 gold for 2 sigils of energy
8 gold for soldier's runes
6 gold for gems.
30g total before food/oil. Armor/trinkets were karma/badges/laurels.

But that's pretty much best-in-slot (except for the gems) for a front line guardian.  Not everyone's going to go this balls out for a fresh 80.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on December 05, 2013, 01:13:50 PM
Yeah, I don't think that stuff cost that much back when I did it though? And Melandru runes got nerfed later.  :heartbreak:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on December 05, 2013, 02:00:48 PM
You get shit tons of wvwvw badges from achievement reward chests and you can use those to cheaply buy full exotic armor.  20-60 might be a lot more than it used to cost but it is also a lot easier to get than it used to be.  How quick you can gear up at 80 depend mostly on what your resources are at that point, I don't think it would be hard to instantly gear up between badges/karma/laurels/gold.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on December 05, 2013, 02:20:50 PM
Also, before gearing for WVW, have an idea of what you want to do.  Roaming/small group and zerg builds can vary wildly.  If you want to roam, I'd skew your build toward that, because zerg builds are mostly terrible at soloing anything other than staff elementalists or rifle warriors.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on December 05, 2013, 02:21:22 PM
Don't solo roam on a up level, you're food to the other roamers.


You can do fine on the pin as long as you keep your gear near your level, you'll do piss poor damage but your HP and Armor will be in line with everyone else, it's more about knowing how to dodge the train and not stand in the red circles.


Rasix's numbers are spot on, it's just most people buy everything piece meal over time, instead of one big go, so they don't notice how much they are actually spending.



BG is fielding full map zergs because they are winning/won.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nebu on December 05, 2013, 02:53:53 PM
Thanks a lot for all of this information.  I've been leveling a mesmer alt and got pretty discouraged entering WvW at level 30.  I used to dominate on my necro at release, but it seems people have figured out the path to min-maxing better now.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on December 05, 2013, 02:59:07 PM
Looking at my first character's (thief) equipment from release is painful.  It makes no sense and serves no purpose.  The spec (changed now) didn't make a lick of sense either.

Here's (http://osicat.weebly.com/guide.html) a crap load of information about mesmer shatter specs.  There are some WVW builds in that.  The official forums have some decent condition spam builds as well.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on December 05, 2013, 03:02:18 PM
New Heals: http://qq.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1s31pc/new_healing_skills_datamined/



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on December 05, 2013, 03:46:13 PM
Looking at my first character's (thief) equipment from release is painful.  It makes no sense and serves no purpose.  The spec (changed now) didn't make a lick of sense either.

Here's (http://osicat.weebly.com/guide.html) a crap load of information about mesmer shatter specs.  There are some WVW builds in that.  The official forums have some decent condition spam builds as well.

Shatter specs can be fun (it's what I use) but it can be very squishy and it's not all that easy to play.  You have to set up your shatters and aware opponents can avoid all that damage.  Far more popular right now are the condition/high stealth Prismatic Understanding builds which are far safer and can whittle away at opponents but lack the high spike damage a shatter can inflict.  Many of the PU builds also use Perplexity runes but those are expensive and might finally end up being nerfed.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on December 05, 2013, 04:02:58 PM
New Heals: http://qq.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1s31pc/new_healing_skills_datamined/


The guardian and ranger heals are perfect and improve already solid builds.  Not sure anything can touch healing signet for warriors.  The necro one seems like a good group utiity heal for dungeons/fractals.  Engineer looks really good for duels and for avoiding one shots in high level content.  Dunno enough about mesmer or elementalist to judge those.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on December 05, 2013, 04:27:45 PM
Many of the PU builds also use Perplexity runes but those are expensive and might finally end up being nerfed.

They got nerfed

The 6/6 bonus on Runes of Perplexity now have a 8 second cooldown. This was excluded from the patch notes, but we’re in the process of getting them added.
Thought you guys would like to know.


https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/wuv/wuv/Perplexity-runes/page/9#post3264438


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on December 05, 2013, 08:15:47 PM
http://dulfy.net/2013/12/05/gw2-new-healing-skills-for-next-patch/ More details, or easier to read, or both.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fraeg on December 06, 2013, 04:54:31 PM
Wow that's more expensive than it used to be. I just ran karma stuff until I could buy the Melandru armor and crafted the rest.

I don't know how you stand with "pay to win".  But keep in mind $10 will get you 55 or 60ish gold.  Dunno exact exchange at this point,   I could be quite off


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kildorn on December 08, 2013, 12:34:05 PM
Personally I tended to run a step down on the runes (not best in slot, but the rare versions or unpopular 6/6 sets) if I was poor. But I did drop around 90G in total re-decking my mesmer out. But that included a few vanity purchases like a rapier. And non min/maxed set of Runes of Speed because fuck memser runspeed.

New healing skills look neat. New ascended armor crafting looks like it will make me roll my eyes and stop playing again for a month.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fraeg on December 08, 2013, 04:01:58 PM
yep

the idea that my toons all geared with exotics are now obsolete come Tuesday is giving me Ruins of Kunark/Trials of Atlantis/Burning crusade flashbacks.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on December 08, 2013, 04:09:19 PM
There will be no gear grind in GW2!  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: MediumHigh on December 08, 2013, 04:13:27 PM
It was brought back by popular demand  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on December 08, 2013, 08:25:14 PM
yep

the idea that my toons all geared with exotics are now obsolete come Tuesday is giving me Ruins of Kunark/Trials of Atlantis/Burning crusade flashbacks.

Pffit. It's only like a 10-15% increase in power.   :awesome_for_real: :awesome_for_real: :awesome_for_real: :awesome_for_real: :awesome_for_real: :awesome_for_real: :awesome_for_real: :awesome_for_real:

Yah, I liked when someone made that argument on reddit.  They really need to cap the gear at exotic in WVW or start selling ascended for badges.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on December 08, 2013, 08:28:29 PM
If they gave a flying crap about WvW, Warriors wouldn't be so obviously grossly overpowered in that setting.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on December 08, 2013, 08:36:26 PM
yep

the idea that my toons all geared with exotics are now obsolete come Tuesday is giving me Ruins of Kunark/Trials of Atlantis/Burning crusade flashbacks.

Pffit. It's only like a 10-15% increase in power.   :awesome_for_real: :awesome_for_real: :awesome_for_real: :awesome_for_real: :awesome_for_real: :awesome_for_real: :awesome_for_real: :awesome_for_real:

Yah, I liked when someone made that argument on reddit.  They really need to cap the gear at exotic in WVW or start selling ascended for badges.



It's actually 5%, and you will be able to get them from pvp eventually.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on December 08, 2013, 08:42:58 PM
sPVP or WVW? 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on December 08, 2013, 09:20:34 PM
They said wvwvw, but now that they are connecting spvp to the rest of the game it might be available there also.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on December 09, 2013, 08:32:58 AM
Dammit - i just made my first ascended WEAPON let alone start thinking about armor. Plus, I switch armor and specs around so much that deciding on one set to craft will be almost impossible for me.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on December 09, 2013, 11:05:08 AM
Yah, I'm having a hard enough deciding on which character to play.  I may just say fuck it for the armor and focus solely on weapons.  I could make another staff (for guardian), easy.  I already have a staff (with the wrong stats since I switched specs) for my necro. 

 :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on December 09, 2013, 11:23:56 AM
You don't really have to do any of it unless you plan on doing high level fractals really, the extremely minor stat increase is hardly worth the massive gold/time sink. Edit: if you don't play much exotics are not worth it either, rares will work just fine.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on December 09, 2013, 01:26:39 PM
Dammit - i just made my first ascended WEAPON let alone start thinking about armor. Plus, I switch armor and specs around so much that deciding on one set to craft will be almost impossible for me.

I made a set of berserker ascended weapons for my warrior: GS/axe/mace/longbow/rifle/spear/speargun. Hardest part was grinding to 500 in both professions and then grinding the dragonstone. I have a ton of mats waiting for armour to release but will have to run world bosses a fair bit more. I'll make P/P/T gear because I hate pure 'zerker on my warrior.

My other 13 80s will get... nothing and I rotate through them regularly, they aren't shelved. I'm guessing exotic will do unless gear drops for me.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fraeg on December 09, 2013, 08:33:09 PM
You don't really have to do any of it unless you plan on doing high level fractals really, the extremely minor stat increase is hardly worth the massive gold/time sink. Edit: if you don't play much exotics are not worth it either, rares will work just fine.

Maybe we just have very different takes on what "fine" means?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: zumu on December 09, 2013, 10:08:10 PM
Looks like I'm just going to grind PvP til I have enough gold to gear out a WvW char.

Adding gold to PvP was a good move. Here's hoping they don't make that grind too impossible.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nebu on December 10, 2013, 09:18:14 AM
Is it me or do they still treat WvW deaths as PvE deaths.  Having to pay repairs in PvP is really a bad mechanic. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on December 10, 2013, 09:26:40 AM
Is it me or do they still treat WvW deaths as PvE deaths.  Having to pay repairs in PvP is really a bad mechanic.  

They do unless you have the outnumbered buff and then you can die for free!

Balance patch day today, so long sweet Hammer Warrior Meta - you were wicked fun for a few months.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nebu on December 10, 2013, 09:34:27 AM
Balance patch day today, so long sweet Hammer Warrior Meta - you were wicked fun for a few months.

I'll believe it's a real balance patch when I stop seeing a bajillion warriors and guardians in WvW.   :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on December 10, 2013, 10:39:03 AM
You don't really have to do any of it unless you plan on doing high level fractals really, the extremely minor stat increase is hardly worth the massive gold/time sink. Edit: if you don't play much exotics are not worth it either, rares will work just fine.

Maybe we just have very different takes on what "fine" means?

Well to me "fine" means "able to easily do all pve content, and having an statistically insignificant stat disadvantage in pvp".  All pve content besides high level fractals that require agony resist obviously.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nebu on December 10, 2013, 12:49:04 PM
Well to me "fine" means "able to easily do all pve content, and having an statistically insignificant stat disadvantage in pvp".  All pve content besides high level fractals that require agony resist obviously.

I just started playing again and the Agony/Fractal thing has me baffled.  Is there anywhere that I can find a good explanation?  My friends tell me that the higher the fractal level, the better chance for loot but the more Agony resists you need.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on December 10, 2013, 01:29:18 PM
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Agony


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nebu on December 10, 2013, 01:33:47 PM
I said a "good" explanation.  I read the wiki and need an abbreviated form.  Like how do I turn +1 agony crystals into + anything better stuff?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on December 10, 2013, 01:40:15 PM
Oh, well sorry i have no idea since i have no interest in any group content.  I have been selling them, apparently getting them to a high level is very expensive.  Those are a new addition though, normally you would just take one of the regular +5 infusions and slap those on any ascended item, i haven't really paid any attention to those new ones.  Speaking of fractals they removed the fractured living story, i was at 10/11 :(.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tmon on December 10, 2013, 02:50:11 PM
I skipped the fractured thing since it involved dungeons which avoid on principal.  One thing I've learned about the live story events is that I need to complete theevents in week one otherwise my chance drops effectively to 0 as the herd of people zerging the content fades away to nothing.  Since I mostly play in the early morning or afternoon there isn't a huge population to join with after the initial blitz occurs. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on December 10, 2013, 07:48:49 PM
This is the difference from a full set of exotic armor to ascended armor:

+60 Armor(on Heavy)
+13 Primary Stat
+11 Secondary Stat
+11 Secondary Stat

The armor difference will be lower in medium and light sets.  Basically there is zero point in crafting the ascended items unless you want the agony resist slot.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on December 10, 2013, 08:26:43 PM
Time to make some money.

edit: guess not.  The price bottomed out on everything.  :awesome_for_real:

edit #2:  Well, it was quick and cheap to make a bolt of damask, which sold for all I had spent + a fair amount. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: EWSpider on December 11, 2013, 07:23:59 AM
Before the patch my Fractal Level was 40, though I had never attempted it.  I had just been doing the occasional level 38 Daily.  After the patch I'm at 34.  Reasons to do Fractals:

1.  Fractal Weapon Skins - Only drop from the Daily Chest.  Chance goes up the higher your Fractal Level.
2.  Ascended Rings and Back - Any time I get an alt to 80 I skip Exotic (save gold) and have 2 Ascended Rings and a Back item ready to go
3.  Ascended Equipment - Weapon and Armor chests have a slight chance to drop from the Daily Chest.
4.  Achievements
5.  Fun

Check the Reward tables at the bottom:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Fractals_of_the_Mists

The effects of Agony increases in tiers.  There's none at all at levels 1-10 so you have a chance to learn each Fractal.  At level 11 it starts to kick in.  It is basically a DoT whose damage increases in each tier (it doesn't increase per level in a tier, just each tier) and your Agony Resistance lowers the damage.  In the regular levels Agony can be avoided altogether.  It gets applied by certain boss attacks which can be evaded.  However, when you get to the 4th Fractal in a run (the Boss Fractal) there's a gear check Agony attack applied to you as soon as the boss fight starts and at intervals during the fight (usually only get hit by it twice total).  This one is unavoidable.

Let me know if you have any specific questions!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on January 01, 2014, 09:36:20 PM
Got an Xmas card from Anet - nice of them to send it even if Australia Post bent it.


Going to put it next to my Teemo statue and card that Riot sent me last year :)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on January 13, 2014, 04:35:55 PM
http://imgur.com/a/Ykv4r#1

best endgame ever.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on January 13, 2014, 05:05:44 PM
I dunno - i think Sad Panda Char (http://imgur.com/a/tdoYf) is better.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on January 14, 2014, 03:54:34 AM
I've seen Sad Panda Hero around - love the look and I'd kill for the slider settings :D


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on January 22, 2014, 10:36:22 AM
More coordinated large group content.  YAY.  More waiting around in an overflow waiting for shit to spawn! YAAAAAAAAY. :uhrr: :facepalm: :sad_panda:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on January 22, 2014, 11:31:44 AM
Is this game not dead yet?  Does anyone still actually like it?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on January 22, 2014, 11:37:49 AM
More coordinated large group content.  YAY.  More waiting around in an overflow waiting for shit to spawn! YAAAAAAAAY. :uhrr: :facepalm: :sad_panda:

The marionette at least is on an exact timer, there is no reason to wait for it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on January 22, 2014, 11:42:43 AM
Overflow.

Good luck getting into your home server instance without sitting on your ass playing Hearthstone for an hour or so.  

I've heard the Marionette is doable in an overlow, but I don't see that worm going down unless it's a very coordinated attempt.  TTS (the Teq killing guild) apparently nearly downed it.

edit:

Eh, fuck it anyhow.  I'll try enough to get what achievement points I can without screwing up my WvW play. WvW is still fun, although I'd like to see another pair of servers other than Blackgate and SOR.  SOR is in a bad state, and there's no way we can stay motivated enough (nor do we have the Euro coverage) to beat BG.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on January 22, 2014, 02:31:13 PM
Is this game not dead yet?  Does anyone still actually like it?

I still like it a lot and play daily.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Torinak on January 22, 2014, 04:23:51 PM
More coordinated large group content.  YAY.  More waiting around in an overflow waiting for shit to spawn! YAAAAAAAAY. :uhrr: :facepalm: :sad_panda:

Have they adjusted the large-group content so it's doable for the lower-population servers? I quit playing when my server (Eredon Terrace) couldn't finish any of the large-group content even after a week of prepping and planning, with all of the "big" guilds in full force (and even with some aggressive guesting).


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on January 22, 2014, 09:40:40 PM
Given the giant middle finger they gave small guilds with their guild activities, I'm going to say good luck getting them to reduce anything for the lower pop servers.  Maybe y'all should consider making a server-wide guild.

Is this game not dead yet?  Does anyone still actually like it?
There are parts I like, but they're fostering worse and worse behavior.  I expect it won't be long until I'm totally over it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on January 22, 2014, 10:04:47 PM
It's a good game in some ways, but the direction since release has been pretty consistently "what? why?" Still like popping in once in a while, but. Eh. That terrible WvW league idea kinda killed it for me (in that I got bored and left, and haven't felt the need to return for more than 10 minutes since).


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on January 22, 2014, 10:15:04 PM
I want to like the WvW so much but the terrible, terrible class balance in that venue just kills it for me.  I've long since past the point of playing a game that makes me angry in the hope I can get some fun out of it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on January 22, 2014, 10:23:01 PM
The balance isn't great (lol warriors) but for how I played (and what, to a lesser degree), it was rarely an issue for me. I certainly don't hate anything about Guild Wars 2 ... there's just a lot of shit about it that make me go "whelp, can't do any of that shit," which makes it lack any stickiness.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on January 22, 2014, 10:24:46 PM
I hate my pet. I'm pretty sure it hates me back.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on January 22, 2014, 11:22:54 PM
My pet either stands in fire (especially in the cannon fractal) and dies or jumps ahead of me in the asura/harpy jumps... then laughs at me when I fall off and die... then resses me to show me how to do it again.

Put my warrior through a fractal today with 40 AR, same as my ranger. I really need to stop using soldier's gear - I become a boss magnet - but I hate playing berserker warrior.

In terms of my fractal runners' survivability, it goes GS/sceptre/focus guardian > sceptre/dagger elementalist = axe/warhorn/longbow ranger > warrior.

What really shits me about fractals is that Guards can facetank where warriors have to run ranged on a lot of bosses. That and the fact that melee ranger is fail in a fractal. I'm hoping that they come good on their promises that the #1 autoattack is removed as they are promising.

Last fractal run was 1, 1, 3, 1, shit 2, 2, 1 shit my longbow is still in combat, fuckrootedcantdodge*splat*wher'smyfuckingaxe


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on January 22, 2014, 11:57:33 PM
What are they promising?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on January 23, 2014, 06:44:48 AM
Current promise is to remove the root from autoattack. Explanation for those that don't know: Currently sword/x rangers get some avoidance from their autoattack but are rooted in place stopping you from stepping back or dodging. You can either #2 or weapon swap to disengage but if your swap and #2 are on CD then you are boned. Option 2 is to switch off autoattack and manually hit #1 which is painful but doable - just, because you still get problems with the animation locking you sometimes.

The promise is to fix the root so that the ranger's highest DPS weapon doesn't get them killed (as much) aka remove the root.

Now all they need to do is fix pet hide so the little bugger doesn't pop out and preferably buff rangers who don't have pets out - but that won't happen, instead they will be left with a creature that dies to AoE and drops ranger dps.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on January 23, 2014, 07:49:02 AM
It's not avoidance, it's a little mini gap closer for stickiness. 2h Ranger sword is the evade on auto.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on January 23, 2014, 12:00:29 PM
My pet either stands in fire (especially in the cannon fractal) and dies or jumps ahead of me in the asura/harpy jumps... then laughs at me when I fall off and die... then resses me to show me how to do it again.

Put my warrior through a fractal today with 40 AR, same as my ranger. I really need to stop using soldier's gear - I become a boss magnet - but I hate playing berserker warrior.

In terms of my fractal runners' survivability, it goes GS/sceptre/focus guardian > sceptre/dagger elementalist = axe/warhorn/longbow ranger > warrior.

What really shits me about fractals is that Guards can facetank where warriors have to run ranged on a lot of bosses. That and the fact that melee ranger is fail in a fractal. I'm hoping that they come good on their promises that the #1 autoattack is removed as they are promising.

Last fractal run was 1, 1, 3, 1, shit 2, 2, 1 shit my longbow is still in combat, fuckrootedcantdodge*splat*wher'smyfuckingaxe

The new armor combination that drops from the marionette is power precision and healing, it might be better than soldiers.  I hear healing doesn't scale well at all though.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tannhauser on January 23, 2014, 04:44:05 PM
Once they put in mandatory group end game content I quit playing.  Their dungeons and story lines SUCK.  Everything else is pretty cool though.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on January 23, 2014, 04:50:12 PM
How can anything be mandatory?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on January 23, 2014, 04:53:25 PM
I think he means 'grouping is mandatory if you want to do that stuff'.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on January 23, 2014, 05:01:18 PM
The amount of people required is quite large too.  Marionette is 75 players and Wurm is minimum of 60, but you'd be crazy to try it with that amount.

There's some guild for taking this sort of shit down.  TTS: Tequatl Terror Squad and it has filled up 11 guilds.  They're the first ones to down the wurm.  I don't think they're opening up more guilds for a little while and those will fill fast. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on January 23, 2014, 09:01:34 PM
I'm at the "flatlining stage" with GW2.

So much content, so little depth and devs who have no idea what to do.

Current patch is pretty pathetic all in all.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on January 23, 2014, 09:46:55 PM
And what content they do add is gone between two weeks and a month later.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on January 24, 2014, 08:51:29 AM
The worst part of this update is that the temporary boss is good while the permanent one is horrible.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on January 24, 2014, 09:43:42 AM
I haven't looked back since getting back into SWGemu.  Well, ok I lied.  I logged in last week in time to do a quick Maw, and promptly logged back into the emu afterwords.

My play style relegated me to dragon timers for gold and WvW for fun.  Exploration was cool for the first few months but then it took a back seat to the timers, which meant that I was spending most of my time at a handful of map points.  

WvW became less fun because it became serious business.  Somehow, large groups were frowned upon even though it was large scale pvp.  Arenas are that way, SPVP is that way.  COD is that way.  Etc etc.  I got into large organized PVP guilds and it was fun to an extent, but the leaders were yelling too much.  Other guilds would stay on their own voice chats, commanders would not show their tags.  It became too cliquey, at least on my server.

I enjoyed roaming around and just zoning out with PVE for awhile, but the process got old because drops are basically crap.  And we know they're crap because diminishing returns, because gem store.  

There should've been some starter dungeons, like Wailing Caverns and such.  Easy dungeons for players to learn basic game mechanics without dying 70 times.  Easy level 80 dungeons too, that people could just do for shits.  "Every boss has a 1 shot every 10 seconds" isn't difficult content, it's unimaginative content.  It's like the Dragon's Lair arcade game, if you went up up up left right down left left right DOWN instead of up up up left right down left left right RIGHT, you died.  Dirk falls down pit.

Teq Rising was further evidence that they had no idea what they were doing.  Again, when everyone dies, the event mostly fails, and only a handful of players keep attempting the encounter, something is amiss.  Raiding is raiding, and that means it's the same players committed to doing content together at set times.  Open world bosses are for random players who happen to be online and in that zone (or able to GET to that zone) at a given time.  Anet tried to combine the two, which anyone with any raiding experience could've told them was a bad idea.

There were also some pretty fabulous things about GW2.  Combos, dodging, weapon abilities...there's a long list of cool stuff.  It just got drowned out by the things that were frustrating.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nebu on January 24, 2014, 09:47:40 AM
There were also some pretty fabulous things about GW2.  Combos, dodging, weapon abilities...there's a long list of cool stuff.  It just got drowned out by the things that were frustrating.

I think this sums up my experience.  The things that GW2 does well, it does very well.  The parts that weren't thought through become very apparent... and frustrating to the point of me losing the will to go back. 

Great game.  No stickiness.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: CaptainNapkin on January 24, 2014, 10:04:48 AM
I feel the same way. Love the cool things they did but after 3 80's and some other random alts, I only find myself logging in to do a daily on occasion with my wife. It's still our go to game when we want to play something together cooperatively, she still loves it but I'm fairly burnt on it.

The other real problem GW2 caused for us, is that I enjoy the combat/abilities style of play so much that it's ruined that part of other MMO's for me. Couldn't get past starting area in TSW for this reason. Just decided to give SWTOR a try since I haven't yet and find the same experience, I like everything about the game until combat starts, then I yawn and log out. I'd give any other MMO a shot that has combat similar to GW2 but I just don't know of any. Tempted to try FFXIV, but I fear the same. Of course the GW2 combat does break down in those boss fights and dungeons where it's non-strategy and just an 'everyone beat on this quickly' fest.

So anything out there with combat resembling GW2 style?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on January 24, 2014, 10:08:18 AM
Wildstar is the closest I can think of, thought that doesn't mean it will satisfy.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on January 24, 2014, 05:23:48 PM
The Marionette fight isn't bad, but a few unskilled/shitty/poorly geared/lagged/unlucky characters can throw the entire thing.  With one platform failing, you lose the entire phase.  We had our lane win twice but the whole thing failed due to one lane losing by one platform twice and other lanes failing theirs.  There's insta kill mechanics and melee unfriendly mechanics.   

Still, it's pretty winnable in an overflow if you have a few commanders in there, but there are just too many variables to not make it much more than a crapshoot in that scenario.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on January 24, 2014, 05:28:48 PM

I'd like to complain about the lack of "stickyness"... but since I got multiple hundreds of hours of gameplay for one box price that would feel pretty churlish.

Though I do agree with the comment of some things done really well, possibly from the early design phase, but they're not convincing in how they fill the gaps. And having done some dungeons I don't really like the dynamics, classes really add to multi-player RPG content.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: amiable on January 27, 2014, 02:52:09 PM

WvW became less fun because it became serious business.  Somehow, large groups were frowned upon even though it was large scale pvp.  Arenas are that way, SPVP is that way.  COD is that way.  Etc etc.  I got into large organized PVP guilds and it was fun to an extent, but the leaders were yelling too much.  Other guilds would stay on their own voice chats, commanders would not show their tags.  It became too cliquey, at least on my server.


This and the gear grind are what finally did it for me.  WvW became rife with obnoxious prima donna's yelling about "bads" and screaming at the few commanders who actually took the time to organize folks in the public mumble.  To be honest though after a year of gameplay I imagine it becomes self-selecting for those types of folks.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on January 27, 2014, 03:11:22 PM
WvW became less fun because it became serious business.  Somehow, large groups were frowned upon even though it was large scale pvp.  Arenas are that way, SPVP is that way.  COD is that way.  Etc etc.  I got into large organized PVP guilds and it was fun to an extent, but the leaders were yelling too much.  Other guilds would stay on their own voice chats, commanders would not show their tags.  It became too cliquey, at least on my server.

Weird.  Swaguma right? Or TC?

The never changing T1 epic struggle still remains the same, except SOR is a shell that can occasionally defend with overwhelming numbers when badly pushed.  Otherwise, they've pretty must lost by the weekend, because they don't PPT for shit. BG is still frightening and the numbers they can pull out of nowhere is crazy.  Plus, they can fight and have decent commanders.  SOR commanders seem one step above the random TC commander leading his squad of rally bots face first into a PVT wrecking ball.

A couple days ago, one of our more spastic French Canadian commanders decided to chug a few Red Bulls and lead EB.  The result was possibly the funniest thing I've ever heard.  I wasn't even in EB, but the comms were priceless. "Go go gogogogogogogog.  PUSHPUSHPUSHPUSH. ROLL LEFTLEFTLEFT.  BUFFSBUFFSBUFFS. EMPOWER. GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO. STAAAAAAAAAAABS. TOMETOMETOMETOMETOMETOME. Ohh, shit I died."

WVW is still fun for me, and I'll likely just go back to that since I finished the living story meta and FUCK THAT WORM.  Only 70 points from the 5k chest too.  :awesome_for_real:

edit:

I could say that my guild is probably a bit guilty of cliqueiness. We, at times, are on private coms.  We do not get along or really respect one of the bigger wvw guilds (individual relationships with members are fine).  NA relationships in general are a bit weird on the server. We can tend to be a little trolly. 



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on January 27, 2014, 04:57:51 PM
TC.  Guild arcs are almost textbook identical these days, would you guys agree?  Everything's great, then people want to break off, then etc.  That kind of happened server wide on TC, probably because of the nature of server voice chat and large scale organization across guilds.  It can't last.

Overall it was fun, it really was the kind of thing I was waiting for for a long time.  Maybe it was enough.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on January 27, 2014, 05:05:03 PM
I got lucky enough to land in a pretty established pvp guild that predated GW2. The roster fluctuates and recently we did lose some core members to an offshoot guild (which I believe was just some merged members going back to reform their old guild), but it has stayed roughly the same size and activity level since I've joined.

Overall, if the guild participation did decline to the point where they're no longer a presence, I would probably stop playing.  Given they're a PVP focused guild across multiple games, a significant enough shiny could cause this.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on January 27, 2014, 05:11:06 PM
Luck had nothing to do with it! 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on January 27, 2014, 05:16:41 PM
Lucky that you were in SLAP and SG?  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on January 27, 2014, 06:35:51 PM
It's my bizarre super power, the ability to get other people into stable communities and have said communities like them more then myself.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on January 27, 2014, 06:40:44 PM
Find one for me in SWTOR, since I think the days of Slap ever all playing the same game together are gone.  :-P


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on January 27, 2014, 10:44:34 PM
That's your own fault, stop disappearing for months at a time then getting annoyed when other people stop playing!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on January 28, 2014, 12:44:14 AM

I thought this game might be an interesting experiment in "casual" MMO's, something like minecraft where half the fun is logging in to an interesting world to work on your own goals. Which might be a bit grindy but would be something you could work on by yourself (but scale up if you have friends or randoms) and at your own pace. Sure, the "achievers" would hate it but it matched the fact it was a non-sub MMO that wouldn't be able to put out the content to keep the raiders entertained anyway.

But of course they've fallen into the same trap as every other MMO developers. The end game wasn't well thought out, a lot of the lovely levelling content went nowhere.  Meanwhile class balance is being held hostage to PvP concerns while the current world content is basically raids (no doubt demanded by the forum crowd). Without the drops to make it worth doing for the progression types and with too many people required (so you need to get in early before enthusiasm ebbs and the keen are bored) and requiring coordination that is a high bar for a public event and punishing for low end systems or those with slow reactions.

On the positive side, as someone on the forums noted, their dreadful ideas are quite well implemented.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on January 28, 2014, 02:00:18 AM
Find one for me in SWTOR, since I think the days of Slap ever all playing the same game together are gone.  :-P

My sister's in some guild she's enjoying, you could always ask her! Me, I like our current guild name too much to leave it.

I logged into GW2 the other day and ran around on my engineer for a little bit. I cannot begin to describe how little I care about the Living World stuff. I almost feel guilty about it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on January 28, 2014, 02:28:44 AM
It's hard to care about something when they take away all the stuff that came before so you could catch up on wtf might be going on.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on January 28, 2014, 05:08:48 AM
I logged into GW2 the other day and ran around on my engineer for a little bit. I cannot begin to describe how little I care about the Living World stuff. I almost feel guilty about it.

Some of it's fascinating in a "what are they thinking" way. The new worm encounter takes ages, needs 80 people (really fun in Australian timezones), has a tight time limit requiring co-ordination (all 3 bosses, with different mechanics, must be killed with one minute) and the reward is some achievement points and progress towards some repulsive armor skins with a green fog coming off them.

Apparently the Anet developers were also at one event no doubt wondering why our server has only had a single success. It's just so wrong-headed.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on January 28, 2014, 08:05:28 AM
When they started the entire 'living world' thing, I was still heavy into this game (it was my only MMO, basically) and I had a chance to play through the content as they released it. Back then I felt that the living world stuff was fine: it shook things up and gave some new objectives to work for (that were sometimes pretty fun). Some of the LW events were great, such as the solo pve arena and even the clockwork invasions -- others were more hit-and-miss like the 'mega jumping puzzle' sky crystal patch or Teq v2.0. But even then I felt that this was basically trying to keep people playing (and buying stuff from the store) using "if you don't play through the latest LW content, you'll miss out on this awesome cosmetic armor piece that will never be available again!" as the main motivator.

However... I haven't logged in since mid-Sep (SAB 2, basically), and I'm not really feeling the urge, either, even though I'm sure there is a whole new LW content cycle going on right now. I'm with Ingmar -- there's so much I know I've (permanently) missed out on, and I'd probably come in at the tail end of a cycle, so that the boss / dungeon / openworld encounter / scavenger hunt / jumping puzzle / whatever'd disappear before I could experience it.

Seriously, they should just make ALL living world stuff permanent. If they're so hell-bent on making permanent changes to the world, use phasing or some sort of timey-wimey notCavernsOfTime gimmick so that trying to experience past 'episodes' doesn't interfere with the current state of the world. If there's group-only LW content, add it to the LFG system and/or give some shiny incentives for everyone to do it. Etc etc.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on January 28, 2014, 08:39:47 AM
There's really no reason they couldn't at least have the Nightmare Tower to present available.  The problem with catching up on the living story is that is it presented in a rather disjointed manner where you get some of it through large group activities and others through solo instances.  They should have really treated the main thrust as just a living story extension, but, heh, even there a group instance was plopped onto the end of the LS(fuck you, I won't do Arah).  Heh, they even gated Scarlett's secret room behind energy probe killing and, honestly, everyone should see that. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on January 28, 2014, 09:20:21 AM
WVW is still fun for me, and I'll likely just go back to that since I finished the living story meta and FUCK THAT WORM.  Only 70 points from the 5k chest too.  :awesome_for_real:

Do you have much in the way of queues for WvW? I tend to spend the majority of my time out there, even if my WvW rank doesn't show it (please combine those ranks SOON) and it's nice never having to worry about queues.

Problem is weeks with new PvE content, WvW in the lower tiers is either a ghost-town or just a massive zergfest. I stuck with The Gate of Madness because LOL Bat Country (I'm the only one in that guild on GoM and I still use it as my extra +5 supply guild), but I am wondering if for my playstyle that I would be better off moving up a Tier or two for my WvW.

Be nice to actually have groups to run with that aren't the zerg for a change, but I don't think I should sacrifice my non-queue server for one where I have to sit around waiting to get into a BL.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on January 28, 2014, 10:19:04 AM
Well, I start pretty late compared to most, 9-10pm PST, so my queues aren't bad. We had some queues this week (maybe 5 minutes on borderlands?), but that's just because we're making a serious effort to beat BG.  And with beating BG, you have to go really hard during your prime time because they can cause massive point swings in the Euro timezone.  We have 4 largish (generalization, the compositions are a bit more complex) NA guilds hitting the borderlands this week, with pretty much constant main guild commander pins.  I don't do EB much, so I can't speak for that queue, it's generally longer.

During season 1, the queues were bad.  We have a fairly large PVE/achievement hunter crowd on JQ and they were clogging up queues pretty fiercely.  It wasn't unheard of to have 1-2 hour queues well into the night.  While this allowed us to steamroll the tier 2 servers, this was a giant impediment in beating the other tier 1.  Plus, the enigmatic queue system pretty much fucking broke under all of that strain.  Some people would get completely different queue times even if they queued for the same map and the same time from the same place.

edit:

The first few weeks of tier 1 can be a bit jarring, especially if all 3 are in try-hard mode. When I first started we had FA and TC at times in the mix.  I didn't get a full BG/SOR/JQ matchup until like a month in. It was a bit overwhelming and discouraging at the same time.  There can be times where there's not a lot of objective capping, and facing giant map blobs that can also fight is an eye opener.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on January 28, 2014, 10:41:13 AM
I saw a norn warrior in full plate with the jetpack, chainsword and the gauntlets from the flame and frost LS, it was a perfect space marine costume.  That made me wish i had not missed those events.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on January 29, 2014, 01:25:30 AM
They really need to work on some simple quality of life improvements.  Why can't I ignore some asshole by right clicking his name?  This stupid Russian ratted our golem rush to BG after he was guild kicked for gloating on SoR's teamspeak after we wiped them.  He spent the next 2+ hours (and is still going for all I know) spamming WvW map chat with nonstop drivel about how much our server sucks and why he's going back to EU.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on January 29, 2014, 09:22:31 AM
You can? Right click name, block.  Not sure how you can possibly miss it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on January 29, 2014, 10:31:41 AM
Not sure how you can possibly miss it.

It not being there might make that a possibility.

It would only let me report them from the chat interface. That was the only option.  Dude's name was obnoxiously long and strangely spelled (it was a "murloc noise") or I would have taken the time to try and type it into the ignore interface on the social tab.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on January 29, 2014, 11:10:01 AM
You right click their name and block them, no need to type it out at all.  In the chat window.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on January 29, 2014, 01:29:45 PM
Did you read the words I typed previously?  ANYHOW, it seems to be a bug. Which apparently people that want to spam you endlessly know about.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82533/blockblocknoblock.jpg)

And now for something completely different, anyone got a suggestion for a mesmer build that's effective solo, but also in a large group setting?  I've been thinking about trying a PU power build (http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQNAR8flwzKqHTTkGb9IhpHE33AnkCV/6SKwttB-jEDBYfCyUEwkIBK3MrZnKi5pAlhFRjVbDT7aI1qYQ2cDRzaO1SBMqyI-wl) that I've seen recently, but a little wary due to the incoming crit damage nerf (which might not be so bad).  Obviously for larger group combat I switch out utilities adding feedback/veil/null field as needed.  And power over condi, as I've found condi to be somewhat poor in larger settings, although my mine contributions will be for the fields and boon stripping.

Just want a sanity check from an experienced mesmer before I use my stack of traveler's runes.  :awesome_for_real:






Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on January 30, 2014, 02:07:32 AM
I saw a norn warrior in full plate with the jetpack, chainsword and the gauntlets from the flame and frost LS, it was a perfect space marine costume.  That made me wish i had not missed those events.

This was back when I loved the game and ran the dungeon for the jetpack. Greatsword was a lucky dip:

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~setanta/gw2/setfirecs.jpg)

Weapon off-set is fused axe and mace (ground for tickets) plus fused longbow for ranged.

I had so much fun... then.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on January 30, 2014, 09:17:24 AM
I run a horribly squishy PU Mesmer that I have a lot of success with and I can't imagine playing him without Traveler Runes.

This is how my Mesmer is spec'd and geared: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgMQNAR8anUEFWbMNG1wWbEx0jhjCBOSKKtUrkCb7CB-jEDBYfAYLLamiAm+QRjEBI5pIaslhFRjVtATVaR1KXAWzAeDMa1SBExwI-w

Condition mitigation is an issue, but considering he's full Zerker - my survivability is actually really good with all the invis I have. I think the spec you linked would probably do you very well. I am by no means an experienced Mesmer though.

The only way I have found around that 'report' issue in WvW is to actually target the person and right click their portrait in the target window - everything else just defaults to 'report'.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on January 31, 2014, 10:41:29 AM
https://www.guildwars2.com/en-gb/news/world-vs-world-queue-improvements/

Most of this doesn't apply to me right now, but this does:

Quote
In WvW, the right-click context menu that may be used for party invites and other social functions will now correctly show more options than just “report” while still restricting communication options with enemies.

Wonder if it will also mean we won't be able to invite people on other servers to our groups anymore.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on February 04, 2014, 10:02:07 PM
So the new map is basically tor anroc, it is glorious.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on February 04, 2014, 11:29:35 PM
Yeah, bring your stability and your knockbacks.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on February 05, 2014, 12:10:51 AM
So the new map is basically tor anroc, it is glorious.

As an Ironbreaker I loved that fucking map. I might have to take a look at it on my warrior.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on February 07, 2014, 04:06:55 PM
New map rocks. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLiAe2qAkbg&)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on February 11, 2014, 09:04:35 AM
That makes me want to give the game another go.  I'm already done with FFXIV & went back to poopin around in SWGemu. 

Sigh.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on February 16, 2014, 01:01:26 PM
I didn't play it much when I got it before christmass, and I decided to give it a whirl again. Downloading 17,500 files. Yey patching. Maybe I should go buy 2 worlds for my occasional Fantasy fix... :(


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on February 16, 2014, 01:22:48 PM
2 Worlds is fucking terrible man.  Just load up Skyrim if you want something similar and about a thousand times better.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on February 16, 2014, 06:26:43 PM
Yeah your right. Kingdoms of Amalur isnt too bad either, I might run through that as a hand to hand guy. I did it last time as a mage. Really fun combat. Anyway, off topic.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on February 17, 2014, 01:16:40 AM
Could be worse, I re-installed Rift and Aion. I just know I'm going to hate myself when I log into them.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on February 18, 2014, 10:32:45 AM
Escape from LA (http://massively.joystiq.com/photos/escape-from-lions-arch/#!slide=2434240)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on February 19, 2014, 09:03:11 AM
The new patch is pretty zergy right now - but I love what they have done with it. They've done a pretty great job with this step of the Living World.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on February 19, 2014, 01:49:37 PM
I lasted 30 minutes when I logged in last night.

Follow the zerg boring shit again but at least they are pushing the microtransactions.





Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on February 19, 2014, 03:42:48 PM
Honestly, I'd rather have a zerg event than a dungeon with the idiotic "all glass cannon dps all the time or you're doing it wrong" mentality most players seem to have. I'm a staff elementalist though, so may be pretty sure I'm biased  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on February 19, 2014, 03:51:09 PM
Honestly, I'd rather have a zerg event than a dungeon with the idiotic "all glass cannon dps all the time or you're doing it wrong" mentality most players seem to have. I'm a staff elementalist though, so may be pretty sure I'm biased  :awesome_for_real:

When dungeons are designed to kill you equally fast if you are full glass cannon or full tank then max dps really is the correct way to do them.  It's not a mentality, it is simply adapting to their game design.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on February 19, 2014, 04:08:09 PM
Honestly, I'd rather have a zerg event than a dungeon with the idiotic "all glass cannon dps all the time or you're doing it wrong" mentality most players seem to have. I'm a staff elementalist though, so may be pretty sure I'm biased  :awesome_for_real:

When dungeons are designed to kill you equally fast if you are full glass cannon or full tank then max dps really is the correct way to do them.  It's not a mentality, it is simply adapting to their game design.
Yeah, I get that... it's not surprising that everyone gravitates towards 'the deeps'. It's just that as an elementalist, I'm expected to either go with an unwieldy and annoying pseudo-melee weapon set that I hate (dagger/focus, maybe scepter/focus... still in melee range) that's using a conjured melee weapon most of the time anyway. The only 'viable' staff build has 30 in fire, and literally presses 3 buttons over and over without switching from fire attunement, since everything else sucks for damage. Oh yeah, 0 points in arcane too, because who wants versatility anyway?

In contrast, in a sufficiently hairy openworld [zerg or not] encounter or wvw, I pretty much have to use my entire toolbox, lay down fields that are actually useful for the encounter, healing and targeted CC (instead of 'spam autoattack on lightning hammer to blind all the things') has a point, etc etc. Kiting around an ogre-reinforced supply camp with my green-geared staff elementalist and slowly killing them all was far more fun than any of the GW2 dungeons so far (ok, the spinning lazer beam boss in aetherblade retreat had its moments... very brief moments at that.)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on February 19, 2014, 05:05:14 PM
Honestly, I'd rather have a zerg event than a dungeon with the idiotic "all glass cannon dps all the time or you're doing it wrong" mentality most players seem to have. I'm a staff elementalist though, so may be pretty sure I'm biased  :awesome_for_real:

As a fellow staff elementalist: preach it, brother.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on February 19, 2014, 05:15:23 PM
Relieved to hear it's a stupid zerg event.  Should make the meta less of a pain. Although doing zergs events on Jade Quarry means you're in an overflow for the first week at the very least.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on February 19, 2014, 05:37:07 PM
Overflow builds character!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Stokowski on February 20, 2014, 09:13:51 PM
Honestly, I'd rather have a zerg event than a dungeon with the idiotic "all glass cannon dps all the time or you're doing it wrong" mentality most players seem to have. I'm a staff elementalist though, so may be pretty sure I'm biased  :awesome_for_real:
As someone who has been known to run an idiotic glass cannon dps, the sight of a staff elementalist joining the fray is supremely reassuring. Don't go changing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaA3YZ6QdJU).


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on February 22, 2014, 07:58:30 PM
Silly question, whats a good fun class to level? I tent to go either blasty mages or sneaky types, though I like tanking too occasionally.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on February 22, 2014, 08:52:29 PM
Warriors and thieves are both fun to level, i don't really play mage classes so i cant help you there.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on February 22, 2014, 09:27:02 PM
If it's JUST leveling, a Ranger can not be beaten.

Once you do any other content though, you'll hate yourself twice as much as you hate your pet.


So yea, I second warrior  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on February 22, 2014, 10:33:07 PM
If it's JUST leveling, a Ranger can not be beaten.

I found 2H Guardian to be faster, not to mention my second warrior and Mesmer.

Guardian was just nuts for the fact that you just wade in, shrug off the damage and move on. Since the pet buff ranger is still up there though.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on February 22, 2014, 10:52:25 PM
Might try guardian then. Thanks guys


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on February 22, 2014, 11:04:35 PM
Guardian's good for tagging shit in events too.  You get a lot of exp and don't miss out on much.  I main a guardian and it was effortless to level.

Still, warrior is really easy and one of the better classes for pve, pvp and wvw.  Course, I don't really do a whole lot of the first two outside of the the living story content.

I would stay away from mesmer as a noob. It's sneaky, it's ranged or melee, can front line, but it's complete shit to level.  You don't feel powerful until about level 60.  For the first 20 levels, you'll be doubting your ability to do damage at all.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on February 23, 2014, 12:12:53 AM
Warrior and ranger are the two classes I never hit 80 on, because I didn't want to WvW with either of them, for opposite reasons. :why_so_serious: My thief only made it to 80 because I leveled her before I realized I enjoyed the WvW, and she's never stepped foot in one of those zones either.

I think the class I enjoyed leveling most was my elementalist, but that might be a better second character, I dunno. Honestly the only class I don't have SOME fun on is the ranger. It's good at solo PvE, but I still just ... don't like it much.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Stokowski on February 23, 2014, 06:56:35 AM
Ranger is by far the easiest class to level with, but as pointed out, it sucks terribadly at everything else.

----

Anyway, I'm belatedly getting around to completing the human Personal Story and it turns out ... sigh ... nobody at ArenaNet, not the dev/writer(s) involved, or even the professional voice talent or the recording director know how to pronounce "quay". Where's a great facepalm gif when I need one?



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on February 23, 2014, 08:32:23 AM
Mesmer is a lot of fun if it clicks for you, but it's not a good first character profession for sure.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on February 23, 2014, 12:34:44 PM
If it's JUST leveling, a Ranger can not be beaten.

I found 2H Guardian to be faster, not to mention my second warrior and Mesmer.

Guardian was just nuts for the fact that you just wade in, shrug off the damage and move on. Since the pet buff ranger is still up there though.


Nah, even before the pet buff Ranger beats a Guard in leveling, its the one thing that stupid pet is actually good at. Like there's a reason all the gold farm bots are Rangers.

The Guard is vaaaastly superior at everything else though, so it's probably better to level one of those anyways.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on February 23, 2014, 12:53:21 PM
I play my guardian when i want to win at pvp or do anything related to pve at all, they might not be the "best" at it but they make everything easier.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on February 24, 2014, 06:49:27 AM
nobody at ArenaNet, not the dev/writer(s) involved, or even the professional voice talent or the recording director know how to pronounce "quay". Where's a great facepalm gif when I need one?

It's okay. They consistently didn't know the difference between "golem" and "Gollum", either. I think I bugged it like twenty times in beta and it still drives me absolutely bananas.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Pennilenko on February 24, 2014, 09:27:11 AM
I need gear/state advice for my mid level ranger. The official forums are complete garbage.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on February 24, 2014, 09:29:29 AM
Advice for what? leveling? grab a good tagging weapon (mainhand axe rocks) and head to LA, i'm racking up the levels on my 50s ele right now.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Pennilenko on February 24, 2014, 09:41:12 AM
Advice for what? leveling? grab a good tagging weapon (mainhand axe rocks) and head to LA, i'm racking up the levels on my 50s ele right now.

I do not play enough to know what area acronyms stand for. My ranger is 33 or 34 and I haven't done any group content yet. Not entirely sure what I should be doing.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on February 24, 2014, 09:45:19 AM
Lions Arch, the big event that everyone is at.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tmon on February 24, 2014, 02:20:34 PM
nobody at ArenaNet, not the dev/writer(s) involved, or even the professional voice talent or the recording director know how to pronounce "quay". Where's a great facepalm gif when I need one?

It's okay. They consistently didn't know the difference between "golem" and "Gollum", either. I think I bugged it like twenty times in beta and it still drives me absolutely bananas.

I turned off the sound about an hour into launch, I don't think I've missed anything.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on February 24, 2014, 03:46:47 PM
Step 1: Go Train Two Drakes, preferably River and Marsh, but any two Drakes will do. They are the only pets that cleave and they are nearly as tanky as bears.

Step 2: Pick a Ranged Weapon, I prefer Longbow, but Shortbow and Axe are both serviceable.

Step 3: Get a Sigil of Fire for your Ranged weapon. This will cause a AoE damage proc on a crit. Your secondary Sigil should be Bloodlust or Perception (these are stacking power/crit buffs when you get kills)


Gear wise, Prioritize Power and then Crit if at all possible, but Power/Crit gear is usually quite expensive on the Trading Post. You can get pretty good leveling gear from the WvW zone, it's just on a Karma vendor. It's Power, Vitality, Toughness. You can get lower level foods and oils (from the Trading Post) that buff your crit rate up really really cheaply, do so.

Your heal should probably be Healing Spring, it's one of the best heals in the entire game. It does several things. First it has a direct heal portion, that heals both you and your pet. Second is drops a heal over time field that anyone inside of it will get healed, this field will also remove harmful conditions on every pulse. Thirdly, this field is a water field, where you or friendly players can use special attacks called finishers to trigger additional healing and buffs.

From a practical stand point you can just drop it and stand in it and good things happen to you and anyone near you.


I just use Signets for my utilities, which for leveling is perfectly acceptable on almost every class. Signets are utilities that have always on passive buffs, with more powerful active utilities on Signet use (which turns off the passive buff till the signet recharges). The one thing you need to note on Rangers, is the ACTIVE abilities of signets do NOT effect you, just your pet. UNLESS you spec into Signet of the Beastmaster, a 30 point talent in the Marksmanship Line. There are four Signets and 3 slots, any 3 will do, but I prefer Stone, Hunt and Wild.

I don't remember when you get your Elite Skill, but I prefer Rampage as One, it's straight forward and powerful.


Talent Wise, I usually go 30/20/20/0/0 but this is like, almost entirely preference and play style in regards to leveling.

30 Marks for more overall power, Arrow Piercing (which lets your arrows shoot through targets, like a line AE) and Signet of the Beastmaster so my sig actives work on me.

20 Skrimishing for more crit stuff and Quick Draw, which reduces the cooldown on my bow abilities.

20 in Wilderness survival, the first 10 is purely for the fall damage talent which I spec on EVERY character and the last 10 for Shared Anguish and Companions Defense. One is a passive stunbreaker and the other adds a defensive buff at the end of my dodge roll.




The general gameplan, is send pet onto mob, shoot mob with arrows, collect loot after mob dies. As you get more comfortable with the game, you shoot many mobs at once and collect many loots after they die. When that becomes boring you can wade in with a Greatsword or something to entertain yourself  :why_so_serious:

Swap your pet BEFORE they die. When you swap after they die, the swap cooldown is 60 seconds. When you swap before they die, it's 20 seconds. As long as your pet can live 19 seconds, you can tank anything in the entire game by just swapping. This lets you solo mobs and events you honestly have zero business being able to with almost zero risk to yourself as if your swap chain fails, you are already like 50 meters out and running  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Stokowski on February 24, 2014, 04:51:49 PM
nobody at ArenaNet, not the dev/writer(s) involved, or even the professional voice talent or the recording director know how to pronounce "quay". Where's a great facepalm gif when I need one?

It's okay. They consistently didn't know the difference between "golem" and "Gollum", either. I think I bugged it like twenty times in beta and it still drives me absolutely bananas.

I turned off the sound about an hour into launch, I don't think I've missed anything.

"Minatar" and "sintar" instead of "mynohtor" and "sentor" used to bother me, but I assumed it was just an unfortunate Americanism, if a little exaggerated. But quay? Quay!? That's just old-fashioned ignorant.

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EDIT: I agree with everything in Fordel's post re levelling a ranger, with the possible exception of Healing Spring as your heal. Consider Troll Unguent (sp?) too. It's not group/ally friendly and has no continual HoT, but mathematically it is the stronger heal. Try both, see which you find most suits you.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on February 24, 2014, 05:19:27 PM
Troll Unguent is very strong on Tank/Condition builds that abuse Empathic Bond and Heal gear. It's just one big Massive HoT for you and your pet, but that's it. It has no condition cleansing or combo field or direct heal or anything.

It's an ideal SPvP and Solo Roaming WvW heal/build thing, but sorta meh for leveling. It's just a pure sustain thing for builds that focus on outlasting shit.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Pennilenko on February 24, 2014, 05:45:49 PM
Awesome Ranger Tips
You sir are amazing! That is exactly what I was fishing for information wise.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on February 24, 2014, 07:26:40 PM
I do Healing Spring for land and Troll Ungent for underwater.  Spring has the advantage of being a field, so with my axe bouncing between targets and Empathic Bond it can end up greatly boosting the heal on the pet.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on February 24, 2014, 08:12:12 PM
As for ranger's current place in WvW, I hear this a lot in teamspeak/mumble: "is that a ranger or an arrow cart?"  However, they're pretty nasty solo if they can get the jump on you from ranged. 



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on February 24, 2014, 08:19:00 PM
The way you can tell the difference, is the Arrow Cart spam can actually kill you.  :why_so_serious:




Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on February 25, 2014, 09:53:48 AM
The way you can tell the difference, is the Arrow Cart spam can actually kill you.  :why_so_serious:


+1

Usual TS convo as a battle starts "Someone just go quickly kill the Ranger so we can focus on the rest".


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on March 17, 2014, 06:03:11 AM

Having accidentally encouraged some RL friends to start playing I ended up doing some dungeons.. I'd wondered whether there was hidden depth to the class mechanics and it turned out to be the expected lack of depth. The lack of class identity and synergy means that combat feels very zergy and quite unsatisfying. Mobs are made challenging through the use of cheesy and annoying abilities to restrict mobility because they can't be tuned to a "tank". Thanks to PvP balance the class abilities and builds are unsatisfyingly "over-balanced" for PvE use and lots of classes have terrible gaps or limitations in the number of builds that work. Unlike GW1 where you could mix and match a lot of skills to make something that works you feel very constrained here. You can trait into a skill category, like wells or venoms, but with only three skills and 2 of those often being weak or situational there's little variation in both builds and play-style.

The big story events have the same problems. The current living event boss mobs are amazingly hostile to melee or condition using builds (which is lots of classes) which is mostly frustrating because the class designs simply aren't flexible enough. You just never seem to hit the sweet spot where all your abilities fit together and support the class identity and play style you want.

The idea of "no trinity" has, as always, largely translated into "everyone's a DPS". It can be fun looking through the forums for suggested builds that aren't purely focused on DPS stats (berserkers).

But worst of all extending the range of skills would seem a good way to grow the game. Adding new weapons or variant weapons, or making the skills locked to them and free skills more flexible and varied, would allow the game to grow. But the dream of "sport-PvP" means they are scared shitless of making any substantial changes that will upset that balance.

I love the world, I loved the "more the merrier" and dynamic atmosphere of the levelling experience, but I wish they'd focused more on how to keep people interested long term.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: MediumHigh on March 17, 2014, 02:34:52 PM
They can never have sports pvp cause no one cares about captured point. Anet will hold position for another year or three before finally "reworking the arena".


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on March 17, 2014, 03:37:19 PM

It would be enough that the decouple the skill balancing. I'm pretty sure GW1 had the ability for skills to have alternate mechanics when used in team PvP. I wish they'd kept that in GW2. They already have a lot of skills that don't work underwater.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on March 17, 2014, 04:01:06 PM
They do the same in gw2, many skills don't work the same in the SPvP arena's as they do in the PvE/WvW ones.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: MediumHigh on March 17, 2014, 04:08:27 PM
GW1 had so many skills and ultimately way more control of your skill bar that some skills being more useful in pve verse pvp mattered less because you had a depth of options. Later on anet introduced PVE-only skills but anet resisted that route for a long time because the assumption was pve'ers shouldn't experience too much of a culture shock when getting into pvp.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on March 18, 2014, 01:41:03 AM

As if they don't... the pretty casual gamers I'm playing with would be obliterated (and sworn at) by the veterans still active in PvP if they accidentally wandered into PvP.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Spiff on March 18, 2014, 05:59:54 AM
I once hoped the combo system would provide a lot of the depth that seemed lacking at first glance, but it's just too limited and often awkward to do so.
That's in part because they insist it has to be a group mechanic mostly, but the timing and positioning it takes to consistently combo almost requires Voice-Comm and even then it's often more hassle than it's worth.
One of the reasons I never enjoyed any class as much as my engineer: they can do some decent combo'ing all by themselves (despite A-net trying their best to make it as difficult as possible).

Is 1 mesmer and a bunch of warriors still the 'best' way to do dungeons btw? Because that right there was one of the biggest "your balance has failed!" signs-on-the-wall I've ever seen in an MMO.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on March 18, 2014, 03:34:08 PM

As far as I can tell. And gear balance is "Full berserker" (DPS armor / weapons) for virtually every class. Thankfully since I'm grouping with casual gamers we don't speed clear and the class selection is erratic.

The guardian has a reasonable design intent and most of the traits suggested builds. But the necromancer is impressive in that you can see the potential but it's just so hard to make it work. The weapons have lots of limitations, the useful abilities are on long timers, DoT's are heavily limited by the tight debuff cap, and the traits are a mess. And too much of the already restricted skill and trait selection is in the "no one ever picks that" category. Such a waste.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on March 18, 2014, 03:57:41 PM
The lack of trinity works fine in pvp but it's like they put zero thought to what to replace it with in pve.  This is not the game to play if you enjoy dungeons, luckily that is the thing i enjoy the very least.  My two legendaries i took longer getting the dungeon tokens than everything else just because i had a hard time forcing myself to run them, and i picked the two easiest ones CoF and HoTW.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on March 18, 2014, 05:04:10 PM
We completely gave up on dungeons.  They were impossible for our 'casual' friends and they were frustrating enough for me who is reasonably decent.  Then they 'improved' them and we couldn't even finish Ascalon Catacombs anymore.  If that wasn't bad enough, the limited-time event dungeons kicking our ass at the end made us completely give up.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on March 18, 2014, 08:12:52 PM
I like them. I just hate the culture around them, with the insistence on Berzerker gear when it's just not necessary.

I can't complain too much about the game from a money to satisfaction ratio. I hated the Scarlet Briar stuff but I've gotten tons of playtime. They'll easily get me back with an even halfway compelling plot post Scarlet horseshit.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tannhauser on March 18, 2014, 08:38:05 PM
We completely gave up on dungeons.  They were impossible for our 'casual' friends and they were frustrating enough for me who is reasonably decent.  Then they 'improved' them and we couldn't even finish Ascalon Catacombs anymore.  If that wasn't bad enough, the limited-time event dungeons kicking our ass at the end made us completely give up.

Ayup


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on March 18, 2014, 08:43:43 PM
I like them. I just hate the culture around them, with the insistence on Berzerker gear when it's just not necessary.

I can't complain too much about the game from a money to satisfaction ratio. I hated the Scarlet Briar stuff but I've gotten tons of playtime. They'll easily get me back with an even halfway compelling plot post Scarlet horseshit.

It's not necessary, its just optimal.  Why fight for 15 mins when you can fight for 10? the only difference any other gear makes is to needlessly prolong the fight.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on March 19, 2014, 01:02:25 AM
Before I gave up this game I was pugging 5-6 dungeons a night and then moved on to pugging 11-20 and 21-30 fractals (2 brackets for a relic each plus a chance at rings etc). I was running in power/precision/toughness gear on my warrior and swapping in bow/rifle for some of the fights. Likewise a shout spec guardian. Everything else was zerker and TBH, the speed runs wern't that hard even though my specs//gear wasn't optimal.

But it was tedious.

It stopped being fun when I ended up with over 2K dungeon tokens (except Arah, fuck Arah).

Living story doesn't make up for a massive flaw in the game design - the class mechanics and their lack of flexibility in dungeons. I don't see the problem as a lack of the trinity, it's very much a case of DPS racing against poorly thought out NPC mechanics that aren't challenging at all. Which means there's no real challenge and no real fun, even in fractals where the difficulty increases (this may be a limitation of my experience, I only got to L38 fractals).

GW2 is to GW1 as Diablo 3 is to Diablo 2. Shinier, more refined (and both of the sequels with shitty storytelling) but with a dire need to go back and look at what made the originals truly entertaining. Blizzard are getting there, Anet I'm not so sure.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on March 19, 2014, 08:42:08 AM
A substantial portion of the old magic can be recaptured by adding in a lot more skills, making elites worth a fuck, and increasing synergy. Figuring out builds and sorting through the sheer variety on display in GW1 was delightful. I have no idea why they nixed it, other than an obsession with balance.

And, again, I like the game. I like the game a lot. But I also play like once a month for a few hours to do the newest content. I wish I liked it more.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on March 19, 2014, 12:05:42 PM
I've been playing pretty constantly for the last few weeks. I started a Gaurdian,leveled up my ranger, which was ok, and then I've started an elementalist which I'm having a blast with.

Last nioght a bunch of guys on my server started a Quaggan march from Vigin keep to Divinity's reach. There musk have been 50 guys at one point trotting along with about 5 guys running around dealing with Mobs. It was a blast and the comments we got from players along the way was just priceless.

(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/Sir_Telemachus/gw002.jpg)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on March 19, 2014, 03:44:36 PM
I basically just WvW at this point, with the odd venture to check out any of the Living Story stuff. I have a baby Ele on the go that I level when guildies/friends are playing alts but that's about it. Still enjoying the game a lot and log in most days.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on March 19, 2014, 03:45:07 PM
A substantial portion of the old magic can be recaptured by adding in a lot more skills, making elites worth a fuck, and increasing synergy. Figuring out builds and sorting through the sheer variety on display in GW1 was delightful. I have no idea why they nixed it, other than an obsession with balance.

I'm assuming this is because the PvP side of the house screams at them any time they suggest it. Balancing for "e-sports" is the death knell for interesting PvE skills and synergies I suspect.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on March 19, 2014, 04:04:11 PM
"Balancing" for PVP has wrecked every single game it has been attempted in. Its utter BS. CHESS isn't balanced ffs. However the PVP trolls basically fill up forums with Garbage about it. They regard Forum warrioring as just as important as PVP itself. They seek to shape the game to the way they want it and different factions to "balance" the game in favour of their preferred class. The one of the MANY problems with this is that they only regard one thing as important - DPS. So they will pretty much like a hive mind shape the game to favour their high DPS High armour Warrior classes because who gives a fuck about wierdos who actually like playing a support Staff Elementalist (like me). And if a game is not that reliant on DPS>all then by God they will make  DPS>everything even if they have to turn the forums to dogshit to do it. Not very deep down its the one and only thing forum warriors care about and thats the only thing that balance means to them.

And if they try and change it they will unleash the howls of the demons of hell on forums and in Emails and twitter and in-game chat and God knows what else. Its all PVP to these losers.

STO has uniquely made the decision to largely ignore the PVP warrior crowd after a while and focus on good PVE content and fuck balance, and its a better game for it. And even then I heard people bitching when I showed up in a cruiser to an STF.

I would much rather a heavily PVE game that had a WvW system for those who want to enjoy this, but which would basically say "we only care about PVE content. If you enjoy the PVP have at it but if its "unbalanced" then tough titties." Someone like me would find that refreshing and would accept that.

I haven't tried PVP yet but I look forward to trying WvW once my elementalist is leveled up. I'm not going near Berzerker gear though.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on March 19, 2014, 04:35:32 PM
Well, in my experience wvw is one of the things where a support elementalist really shines, and you definitely don't want berzerker armor there (I use full PVT, but I'm sure other combinations can be just as useful). Ditto for world events / zerg pve, the extra survivability definitely helps.

The dungeon subculture in GW2 is... appalling, however. I don't think even the worst LFD/LFR dungeon runs were as aggravating as trying to pug something in GW2. I wouldn't even blame the players (and their elitism or noobness or whatever) -- while all the hurfblurf about "lol bearbow rangers / cleric guardians", "l2dodge, scrub" and "zerker or GTFO" on the forums is eyeroll-worthy, the hardcore dungeon runners are just using the most effective methods to get through the content in as little time as possible. It's just that I find said content shit in the first place.


edit: though I'll say that trying to run HOTW as my first dungeon in 4+ months probably didn't help. Apparently yesterday's patch stealth-buffed the troll miniboss to have the same moveset as the troll in AC after it was buffed. The resulting slaughter was hilarisad. I just wanted some polar bear symbols for my legendary axe that I'll probably never make anyway, demmit!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on March 19, 2014, 04:59:32 PM
Yeah I was just bitching in general and making generalisations, sorry. :)

I actually fell in love with the Staff  Elementalist in Lion's Arch. I went there as a lowly level 4 Elementalist and after a bit of frustration I finally got the staff out to try it, and it was pure love for 20 levels. :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on March 19, 2014, 08:02:05 PM
Support staff is really fun in WvW (imo), and you will find that while the dungeon people are all ZERKER OR NOTHING, the WvW people will cringe at you if you're in zerker gear, because you will explode in about two seconds.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on March 20, 2014, 03:58:14 AM

I don't think they balance that much for WvW, and WvW is a lot more tolerant of build variety. It's the small team competitive pre-made PvP that drives the issue.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on March 20, 2014, 11:14:03 AM
New stuff (https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/feature-packs/)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on March 20, 2014, 11:36:39 AM
Some interesting ideas in the trait update. I like that they have given the ability to pay for unlocks if you don't feel like going exploring for them.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on March 20, 2014, 11:52:30 AM
I can't wait to see how much it costs to avoid having to do their shitty dungeons.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tmon on March 20, 2014, 12:09:17 PM
200 gems per or buy the set for 1600.  This is based on nothing at all but still wouldn't surprise me.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on March 20, 2014, 12:26:17 PM
Yes... It didn't occur to me that it might cost real money :D


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on March 20, 2014, 02:37:09 PM
 :roll:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on March 20, 2014, 05:30:18 PM
They have no God damn idea what they are doing.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on March 20, 2014, 05:51:44 PM
I dunno, that all seems pretty good


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on March 20, 2014, 06:09:26 PM
Correcting fundamental class problems with 30 point talents doesn't seem like the right approach.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on March 20, 2014, 06:24:32 PM
Those are not new talents, those are fixes to broken mechanics and poor design decisions.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tannhauser on March 20, 2014, 06:55:22 PM
New stuff (https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/feature-packs/)

I have to do their worst content to get these? LOL FUCK THAT


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on March 20, 2014, 07:33:52 PM
They said you could just buy them also.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tmon on March 20, 2014, 07:42:35 PM
I do like the whole change your traits on the fly mechanic, not that I expect to use it much but I do appreciate having the option.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on March 20, 2014, 08:00:34 PM
One good idea in a mountain of nonsense.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on March 20, 2014, 08:22:39 PM
The most exciting preview trait for the engineer was that? Thank God for the rangers and guardians, their preview traits are even more hilarious. "FINE, we'll fix the stupid projectile thing for you, rangers, out of the goodness of our hearts. Oh, it's also a grandmaster trait. Bye!"


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on March 21, 2014, 10:52:11 AM
With no mention of Ranger pets...


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on March 21, 2014, 12:43:05 PM
More new stuff. (https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/runes-sigils-and-balance-updates/) Also crit changes. (https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/learn-about-critical-damage-changes/)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: KallDrexx on March 21, 2014, 12:52:11 PM
They are trying really hard to have a D3 Loot 2.0 saving style patch it sounds like.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on March 21, 2014, 03:30:54 PM
Quote
On-Kill sigils (those sigils which trigger when you kill something) have received an update as well. The functionality of each sigil has changed so that killing a player is worth five stacks of a sigil in any game mode, while killing a monster only grants one stack. This type of sigil will have more strict rules applied on them, so that a player will no longer be able to gain 25 stacks and then un-equip the sigil.

Depending on how strict this is, that change could wipe out like half the builds in game.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on March 22, 2014, 01:15:14 AM
Well, from my reading it'd only remove the buff if you actually unequipped the weapon instead of switching to another set, so basically just removing the "put on bloodlust and perception sigils to kill trash mobs until 25 stacks, then equip your REAL weapons" min-maxing method. And honestly, I find that method dumb -and- a huge pita to actually perform (switch out weapons through the unwieldy equipment screen every time you die, then after x mobs... then do it again! Extra fun if you're dual wielding).


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on March 22, 2014, 08:40:11 AM
If that's the level of OCD they've been catering to it's no wonder the game has been going in a direction I didn't care for.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on March 22, 2014, 10:21:27 AM
If people were seriously doing that to get ahead, then fuck them and their crying about an "awkward equipment screen" that was never designed to be used in combat. Seriously.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nija on March 22, 2014, 03:23:00 PM
They need to do something to get all of the people who haven't logged in since 2 or 3 months after release playing.

Then once those players are back, release a paid expansion box.

Then again loot 2.0 hasn't brought me back to Diablo3 - I'm not sure what could get me back to GW2.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on March 22, 2014, 03:54:38 PM
Not having any other mmo options and GW2 not having a sub brought me back after quitting a couple months in.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on March 22, 2014, 04:19:04 PM
If people were seriously doing that to get ahead, then fuck them and their crying about an "awkward equipment screen" that was never designed to be used in combat. Seriously.


You can't change your inventory in combat.

It's also a 2 second process out of combat (comparable to reapplying food/oil), mainly used by 2h weapon users to have parity with mainhand+offhand users. The new allowing two sigils on 2h weapons will net the same effect in the end, since the stack drop is only off of actual de-equip not swap.

A full 25 stack of a sigil is worth 250 of a stat. For comparison, putting 30 points into a trait line would net you 300 of a stat. This isn't a 2% OCD advantage, it's a large hole in any potential build. It's also why they changed the stacking sigils to build 5 at a time in PvP, you're expected to have a stack built up.

Why not just make the sigil a flat 250 increase at all times? Because ANET  :why_so_serious: :uhrr: :why_so_serious: I'm sure their reasoning is it adds extra consequence to dieing and being rezzed mid combat, or whatever.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on March 24, 2014, 01:07:46 PM
New guardian traits are so goddamn boring and stupid.  A boring (but somewhat needed to bridge the stupid HP gap with warriors) HP boost in the same line as purity of voice.  :roll:

Season 2 tourney starts on Friday.  9 weeks.. ugggg.  I think the strategy will be to possibly win enough early on to take some weeks off.  That's going to be a serious grind for a dedicated wvw guild.  Of course, I expect Blackgate to kick the hell out of us after sandbagging it for the last month.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on March 24, 2014, 03:42:32 PM
9 weeks is way too long, too many matchups and too many duplicates I would think.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on March 24, 2014, 03:50:50 PM
My strategy is going to be grind out all the achievements on the first three days then let swagumma fend for themselves.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on March 25, 2014, 08:36:22 AM
https://www.guildwars2.com/en-gb/news/introducing-the-wardrobe-system/

 :inluv:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on March 25, 2014, 09:37:35 AM
https://www.guildwars2.com/en-gb/news/introducing-the-wardrobe-system/

 :inluv:
Interesting... what happens to the HOM skins, though?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on March 25, 2014, 09:48:56 AM
Don't forget this

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/dyes-in-the-new-account-wardrobe/

I'm just not seeing any reason to be upset with any of this stuff they've announced so far.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: EWSpider on March 25, 2014, 12:00:24 PM
About fucking time.  I would never have stopped playing if these were the kind of features they had been implementing more regularly instead of the stupid ass Living Story and its bi-weekly list of chores.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on March 25, 2014, 12:16:55 PM
No more random dyes dropping sucks.  And I certainly hope there are more ways to get those transmute charges than just with gems.  Otherwise there's even less reason to ever come back since there will be less dyes and it will cost real money to transmute anything.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on March 25, 2014, 12:42:55 PM
All my random dyes just ended up being shades of pink I mailed to Sjofn.  :why_so_serious:


Improved cosmetic system is good.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on March 25, 2014, 12:55:34 PM
Random dyes are about the only interesting thing that drops for the first 79 levels so that's pretty disappointing to lose I think.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on March 25, 2014, 01:03:26 PM
I've just been collecting my unidentified dyes to make Bifrost for my elementalist (you need 250 for the Gift of Color). I forgot about that plan shortly after I learned what making a legendary entails (:ye_gods:), but I still have almost a full stack of unid dyes in my bank. Hmmm, now may be a good time to TP them all?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on March 25, 2014, 04:31:06 PM
I've just been collecting my unidentified dyes to make Bifrost for my elementalist (you need 250 for the Gift of Color). I forgot about that plan shortly after I learned what making a legendary entails (:ye_gods:), but I still have almost a full stack of unid dyes in my bank. Hmmm, now may be a good time to TP them all?

Actually right after the blog was posted they went over a gold each, they were over 60s each a couple hours ago when i cashed in all my laurels for dyes.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on March 26, 2014, 10:00:43 AM
No more random dyes dropping sucks.  And I certainly hope there are more ways to get those transmute charges than just with gems.  Otherwise there's even less reason to ever come back since there will be less dyes and it will cost real money to transmute anything.

Well, you can buy Gems with in game gold (6 and a half gold per hundred when I looked at it a few days ago), but yeah your point stands. Transmuting is one of the things that they could look at.

I actually thought dyes were account unlocks already. silly me. I guess I'll be waiting on the patch to use the 35 I have banked :D

I'm currently working on exploring and unlocking the entire world on My Elementalist. I also tried out crafting, but getting levels on it got very expensive very fast, so I'm playing "gather and stock up." Having a Charr elementalist is interesting, especially as the walking and running animations don't look totally stupid on a charr compared with the Humanoids and the growls when I'm spellcasting adds something viceral.

All in all I'm enjoying myself. Thinking of trying an Asura Mesmer next.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on March 26, 2014, 11:20:04 AM
Why wait until the patch to use them?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on March 26, 2014, 04:32:49 PM
Aw man, getting dye drops was basically my favorite thing.  :heartbreak:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on March 26, 2014, 05:40:25 PM
Why wait until the patch to use them?

Hmm, I was just thinking of waiting till they were account wide to unlock them, but rereading the post I realize that they mean that all colours you have already unlocked for any of your characters will be unlocked account wide, so there really is no reason to wait, I suppose.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on March 26, 2014, 06:57:29 PM
I already have black on one character, so I'm good.  :awesome_for_real:  Cashed in my laurels (I wish at 1g per).  Not that I really use money for anything.  I guess I can be a pal and chip in for food/siege.   :|


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Simond on March 26, 2014, 07:59:22 PM
I don't get why people are selling now, rather than after the supply gets cut off at the knees?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on March 27, 2014, 08:19:48 AM
Cause demand is also going to take a hit at the same time, and all repeat dyes in your account will turn into unided dyes when they patch resulting in a massive influx of supply.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on March 27, 2014, 12:13:50 PM
Account bound WXP, ascended gear and legendaries. (https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/account-bound-wxp-legendaries-and-ascended-gear/)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on March 27, 2014, 12:28:04 PM
We knew that account bound wxp was coming for a while.  Welcome change as I have a decent amount of split WXP between 3 characters. I won't be rank 300 or something, but I will have enough to have decent builds going forward.

Good change on the ascended gear, although it doesn't address the issue in that if I change builds, my old ascended item can be near useless. Doesn't help much that it's now a more effective hand-me-down for another character.   I'd really love there to be stat rerolling on it.  Perhaps combine the old ascended item and a new inscription, and then get your stats redone.  That would be ideal, but I don't see it happening.

All I'm waiting for now is improvements to the auction house interface.  PLEASE LET US SEARCH BY ARMOR TYPE.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on March 27, 2014, 01:02:20 PM
No more repair or retrait costs. (http://dulfy.net/2014/03/27/gw2-repair-cost-champion-loot-and-trait-adjustments/) Champ loot money nerfed as a result.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on March 27, 2014, 04:17:03 PM
On the dye thing, it says they'll come from the forge now. How does crafting dyes work?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on March 27, 2014, 04:21:32 PM
If I remember correctly there are cooking recipes for various shades, but they take quite a lot of mats and you can't make specific colors.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on March 27, 2014, 05:35:05 PM
Ah, yes, I remember the recipes from my cook now. But those weren't on the forge and they specifically mentioned the forge, right?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on March 27, 2014, 05:38:48 PM
You can make unidentified dyes on the mystic forge with pvp mats, but those are going away too.  You can also throw four dyes on the forge and get a new dye with a i think 20% chance of it being a tier up.  As far as i know there aren't any other recipes for it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on March 27, 2014, 05:42:04 PM
I'm hoping for a recipe that calls for thin leather and bloodstone dust.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on March 27, 2014, 09:35:52 PM
No more repair or retrait costs. (http://dulfy.net/2014/03/27/gw2-repair-cost-champion-loot-and-trait-adjustments/) Champ loot money nerfed as a result.

Sounds like what they are actually doing is cutting the money given from Champs and other stuff, and getting rid of Repair costs as a sop and an excuse. Even as a newbie repair costs have never been an issue for me.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on March 27, 2014, 10:06:18 PM
They are taking gold from farmers and giving it to everyone, sounds good to me.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on March 28, 2014, 12:42:20 AM
All I'm waiting for now is improvements to the auction house interface.  PLEASE LET US SEARCH BY ARMOR TYPE.

For fucking real, I can't believe it's still like that.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on March 28, 2014, 01:30:12 AM
Clearly it's one of Scarlet's evil plots!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on March 28, 2014, 06:32:04 AM

I cannot begin to understand why it is that way other than as a "fuck you" to their customers.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on March 28, 2014, 07:34:39 AM
There is a anet dev that posts on the SA forums that was working on a TP redo since basically launch, there has been a lot of delays including taking time off cause his wife having a kid but apparently it is getting done sooner or later.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on March 28, 2014, 12:50:32 PM
New pvp rewards. (https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/pvp-reward-tracks-and-gear-unification/)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on March 29, 2014, 08:49:04 AM
Because of the achievement rewards giving way too many pieces of PvP gear, at least this means I'll be getting a lot of skins unlocked.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on March 29, 2014, 02:20:23 PM
There is a anet dev that posts on the SA forums that was working on a TP redo since basically launch, there has been a lot of delays including taking time off cause his wife having a kid but apparently it is getting done sooner or later.

That's one hell of a long gestation period!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on March 29, 2014, 05:22:21 PM
His wife is actually an elephant.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on March 30, 2014, 10:41:43 AM
The requirements for this season of wuvwuv are much more reasonable, specially since you get 9 weeks to do them.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on March 30, 2014, 10:46:36 AM
That's good, because I log in, take one look at the queues, and then promptly log off.  


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on April 02, 2014, 09:25:08 AM
Some type of megaserver type dealio coming. (https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/introducing-the-megaserver-system/)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on April 02, 2014, 01:36:04 PM
So basically a single 'underflow' server for each zone? Not surprised, this has been an obvious problem since launch. The fact that it still won't make it possible to cross the US-EU border (especially in spvp) makes me sadface though.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on April 16, 2014, 07:07:40 AM

I seem to remember in WoW when they did a big talent patch it was somewhat fun looking at all the new build possibilities and considering different play styles (even during the reign of Ghostcrawler). This talent patch feels more like trying to find a combo that isn't pointless. Far too many talents that are situational, underpowered and on long cool-downs even before being applied to pretty bland powers. Even path of exile, on launch, was more fun than this. GW1 was an order of magnitude more fun than this.

Really tragic, there's talent in their content creation people (not the writers) but the game design has done very little with the solid foundation they had at launch.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on April 16, 2014, 07:36:10 AM
Just logged for the first time in months and my warrior feels - flat.

Top DPS from what I've been reading is Axe/X with no weapon swap.  Boring.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nebu on April 16, 2014, 07:51:40 AM
To be honest, the combat in this game has always felt flat for me.  Limiting the number of abilities does make combat faster, but it really limits the amount of counter-play options.  Very disappointing in a PvP game. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on April 16, 2014, 08:46:41 AM
The armor and weapon part of the wardrobe system is great.

They made town clothes almost more pointless.  The outfit is a single piece now, or a tonic.  No mixing and matching.  Dye affects the whole instead of individual pieces.  You can hide helms and shoulders, but it's the outfit helm and shoulders or nothing.  For example I loved the look of the Halloween wraith hood with the Mad King outfit.  I can't do that now so it's either pumpkin head or plain.  Once unlocked outfits are at least free.

Costume weapons are now bundles instead of equipable weapons.  Not sure how I feel about that yet.

Dyes being account-wide are nice.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on April 16, 2014, 04:00:02 PM
To be honest, the combat in this game has always felt flat for me.  Limiting the number of abilities does make combat faster, but it really limits the amount of counter-play options.  Very disappointing in a PvP game. 

I think they are aiming for that "counter-play" feel in PvP. So a skill gives a visual cue and is short lived / limited selection /long cooldown so that timing becomes a bit tactical and an active block, evade or counter gives a substantial advantage in a 1v1. Visible in the way that "fear" is largely a tactical interrupt rather than an effect in its own right. But it falls entirely flat in PvE where it means skills are limited, infrequent and the mobs are largely immune to control or counter and don't have complex enough behaviours condition effects have high value...

But really they're either timid or bad. The original class designs had some character but they've failed to extend that or make it core to gameplay.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on April 18, 2014, 09:44:25 PM
Well, despite saying that the Megaservers would only be in the lowest level maps for now, they were turned on for every single map in the game,.

The universal verdict seems to be that everyone hates it. Heres a pick from someone yesterday


Aside from the usual problems, its making it impossible for people to gather for guild events and its utterly naff for people who roleplay as they are bounced around 5 different instances and cant gather together. People can't run raids and world bosses with the same people anymore as the usual commanders and people who do them on the servers are now all split up. A commander said its pointless trying to tell people what to do as he wont see anyone here again and half the people cant speak english. Yeah, forget non English speaking servers. Informal asking where people are from leads to 5 different servers, so promises that the majority of people would be from the same server is pretty much a lie.

I think that guy in the screenshot is right, they are doing it to cover for falling server pops.

it HAS made it better for running group events though as there is always someone around, but the way it has been implemented will destroy RP and guilds and generally people grouping up and forming friendships. My server, Piken Square, was an RP server with a smaller pop but a decent community, and now local is filled with retards and wtf Siemka shit.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Simond on April 19, 2014, 04:49:00 AM
Well, despite saying that the Megaservers would only be in the lowest level maps for now, they were turned on for every single map in the game,.

The universal verdict seems to be that everyone hates it. Heres a pick from someone yesterday


Aside from the usual problems, its making it impossible for people to gather for guild events and its utterly naff for people who roleplay as they are bounced around 5 different instances and cant gather together. People can't run raids and world bosses with the same people anymore as the usual commanders and people who do them on the servers are now all split up. A commander said its pointless trying to tell people what to do as he wont see anyone here again and half the people cant speak english. Yeah, forget non English speaking servers. Informal asking where people are from leads to 5 different servers, so promises that the majority of people would be from the same server is pretty much a lie.

I think that guy in the screenshot is right, they are doing it to cover for falling server pops.

it HAS made it better for running group events though as there is always someone around, but the way it has been implemented will destroy RP and guilds and generally people grouping up and forming friendships. My server, Piken Square, was an RP server with a smaller pop but a decent community, and now local is filled with retards and wtf Siemka shit.

So basically it's upset the poopsockers and the Goldshire crowd while making the game better for everyone else?
Sounds like a win to me.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on April 19, 2014, 09:04:11 AM
Yeah, pretty much.  Response has been overwhelmingly positive apart from the fringe "waah, we don't have entire zones to ourselves" groups, and fuck all of them.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on April 20, 2014, 12:23:10 AM
Well, despite saying that the Megaservers would only be in the lowest level maps for now, they were turned on for every single map in the game,.

The universal verdict seems to be that everyone hates it. Heres a pick from someone yesterday


Aside from the usual problems, its making it impossible for people to gather for guild events and its utterly naff for people who roleplay as they are bounced around 5 different instances and cant gather together. People can't run raids and world bosses with the same people anymore as the usual commanders and people who do them on the servers are now all split up. A commander said its pointless trying to tell people what to do as he wont see anyone here again and half the people cant speak english. Yeah, forget non English speaking servers. Informal asking where people are from leads to 5 different servers, so promises that the majority of people would be from the same server is pretty much a lie.

I think that guy in the screenshot is right, they are doing it to cover for falling server pops.

it HAS made it better for running group events though as there is always someone around, but the way it has been implemented will destroy RP and guilds and generally people grouping up and forming friendships. My server, Piken Square, was an RP server with a smaller pop but a decent community, and now local is filled with retards and wtf Siemka shit.

So basically it's upset the poopsockers and the Goldshire crowd while making the game better for everyone else?
Sounds like a win to me.

If you define poopsocker as "anyone who might ever want to play with friends" I guess? Right now it doesn't even guarantee you getting onto the same map as someone you're in a party with.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: MediumHigh on April 20, 2014, 05:30:14 AM
I'm sure there is a balance between appealing to the anti-social majority and allowing equally in part the ability to fuck around with friends.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on April 20, 2014, 12:09:35 PM
Well, despite saying that the Megaservers would only be in the lowest level maps for now, they were turned on for every single map in the game,.

The universal verdict seems to be that everyone hates it. Heres a pick from someone yesterday


Aside from the usual problems, its making it impossible for people to gather for guild events and its utterly naff for people who roleplay as they are bounced around 5 different instances and cant gather together. People can't run raids and world bosses with the same people anymore as the usual commanders and people who do them on the servers are now all split up. A commander said its pointless trying to tell people what to do as he wont see anyone here again and half the people cant speak english. Yeah, forget non English speaking servers. Informal asking where people are from leads to 5 different servers, so promises that the majority of people would be from the same server is pretty much a lie.

I think that guy in the screenshot is right, they are doing it to cover for falling server pops.

it HAS made it better for running group events though as there is always someone around, but the way it has been implemented will destroy RP and guilds and generally people grouping up and forming friendships. My server, Piken Square, was an RP server with a smaller pop but a decent community, and now local is filled with retards and wtf Siemka shit.

So basically it's upset the poopsockers and the Goldshire crowd while making the game better for everyone else?
Sounds like a win to me.

If you define poopsocker as "anyone who might ever want to play with friends" I guess? Right now it doesn't even guarantee you getting onto the same map as someone you're in a party with.

Right click and join instance - i have never had an occurance where I couldn't join the people in my party.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on April 21, 2014, 12:07:01 AM
Yeah, pretty much.  Response has been overwhelmingly positive apart from the fringe "waah, we don't have entire zones to ourselves" groups, and fuck all of them.

That's funny, because all the comments I have seen have been in the negative. People like most of the patch as a whole, but not the megaserver part.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Simond on April 21, 2014, 06:13:48 AM
Official forums or real people?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on April 26, 2014, 10:50:56 AM
People I've heard talking in game. General concencous seems to be that they like the majority of the update but the Jury is WAY out on the megaserver, and the timer for the world bosses isn't exactly popular either.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on April 28, 2014, 11:55:37 AM
Single dude wipes out most of a zerg with one spell. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABCya_k0zLA)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on May 08, 2014, 05:05:59 PM
So is this game dead or?

Just wondering what major changes are in effect since October; I think that's when I stopped playing.  I logged on the other day and all of the talents are different, four people showed up for Maw and it failed.

Is there anything that's worth coming back to check out? 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on May 09, 2014, 02:48:24 AM
I've gone from logging in to religiously to... not playing.

Even with the megaserver the game feels dead to me. I can't be assed trying to re-work talents with the new system and I have no idea why I just can't get enthusiastic. I sat in Rata Sum and listened to my guild try to run events only to find that they couldn't see each other until they grouped up.

I miss the game, but there's just nothing new to make me want to step outside of the cities.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on May 09, 2014, 08:40:22 AM
That's because they spent the last year making disposable content or repeatable content for only the top end.  There isn't anything new to do if you're looking for some reasonably casual fun.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on May 09, 2014, 09:58:54 AM
I haven't played much since the living story ended season 1.  Not much to do i guess, the game is alive and well though.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on May 09, 2014, 10:23:57 AM
That's because they spent the last year making disposable content or repeatable content for only the top end.  There isn't anything new to do if you're looking for some reasonably casual fun.

Yep, that's a lot of effort spent on Scarlett that no one will ever see again.

The big QOL patch was nice, but unless you're doing the WvW tournament, it gave just about zero new content.  Sure, you can play dress up and change your traits around, but there's no new direction for the story.

I'm just so burnt out and completely not in the mood for the atmosphere the WvW tournament brings. I may check back in when the new living story direction is delivered.

edit:

It's funny that by just looking at the scores, the strategy is that JQ and TC are just shitting on Blackgate anytime they're in the in match up to prevent BG from placing first and possibly knocking them all the way into fourth.  TC likely finishes first in this scenario, but JQ likely doesn't care as long as BG gets wrecked.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on May 09, 2014, 10:34:33 AM
I've been doing WvW for the season Tournament and finally got into sPvP which I am kind of enjoying sometimes. The new reward tracks have helped that a lot. I find my patience for sPvP games is very low though and even if I win a few in a row I get ragey over SOMETHING.

Weird for me, because I can mowed repeatedly by Zergs or larger groups in WvW and barely blink an eye - but have someone knock me off Skyhammer once? I lose my shit.

Got my 6th level 80 which is remarkable only for the fact that in my MMO career I have only gotten 2 max level characters in ANY game (1 in DAoC and 1 in WoW with close calls in WAR and SWtOR). For some reason GW2 scratches that gaming itch I have quite nicely.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on May 09, 2014, 07:14:13 PM
edit:

It's funny that by just looking at the scores, the strategy is that JQ and TC are just shitting on Blackgate anytime they're in the in match up to prevent BG from placing first and possibly knocking them all the way into fourth.  TC likely finishes first in this scenario, but JQ likely doesn't care as long as BG gets wrecked.

Good, Blackgate can go fuck itself.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on May 15, 2014, 11:44:03 AM
So, they launched the game in China. https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/guild-wars-2-launches-in-china/ Stand by for the chinese server's economy crashing on day 2...

Also they are repeating some live content on the 20th. https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/prepare-for-the-festival-of-the-four-winds/

Quote
http://As part of the celebration of our launch in China, we’re holding an in-game festival that brings back some of the best-loved Living World content! The Zephyrites have returned to the Labyrinthine Cliffs to do business and trade their goods, and Queen Jennah has reopened the Crown Pavilion. Experience the joy of movement as you harness the power of the Zephyrites’ aspect crystals, or put your battle skills to the test in the Crown Pavilion and Queen’s Gauntlet.

Get ready: the Festival of the Four Winds begins on May 20!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on May 15, 2014, 12:41:13 PM
Can Chinese players already on NA/EU servers transfer their characters to the Chinese servers? If yes, I really wonder what that will do to some servers in WvW. Like Jade Quarry has always been carried by it's enormous Chinese/SEA population relative to everyone else.

If a majority of those guys leave, well hello tier4 I guess  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on May 15, 2014, 12:50:11 PM
Can Chinese players already on NA/EU servers transfer their characters to the Chinese servers? If yes, I really wonder what that will do to some servers in WvW. Like Jade Quarry has always been carried by it's enormous Chinese/SEA population relative to everyone else.

If a majority of those guys leave, well hello tier4 I guess  :why_so_serious:

I do not want to see Mance on a tier 4 server.  It would be like being on a bad club soccer team all over again.  "OK guys, wave to the fourth flight cars.  Ohh wait, those are your cars!  God, we suck."

I hope this does not interrupt the current 2v1 gangbang.  The punishment for sandbagging preseason must continue.  

Bleh, I still haven't played for over a month.  I missed the Festival of the Four Winds the first time, so perhaps this brings me back. And.. it launches the week I go on vacation.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on May 15, 2014, 02:56:18 PM
Unrelated to anything, but I actively dislike this Dev Team. They spend forever to do NOTHING, I find it amazing and frustrating.


I have no actual point, just my displeasure.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on May 15, 2014, 04:57:46 PM
Yes.. GW2 on release was an extremely strong foundation for doing something a bit different. But they've moved slowly, wasted resources on single-shot content, watered down game mechanics in the interests of PvP and have done nothing to build up the "dynamic world" mechanisms that sold the levelling experience. Plus they seem to have no direction and certainly no ability to communicate one. It's very sad.

The steam (or revenue) seems to have fallen out of their "living world" approach leaving the game basically treading water.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on May 15, 2014, 05:52:24 PM
You might not like what they are doing but saying they are slow or do nothing is ridiculous.  They patch virtually every other week.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on May 15, 2014, 07:04:09 PM
It took them 6 months to get tooltips done. That is fucking slow.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on May 15, 2014, 08:14:50 PM
Only if your only criteria for slow is how long they take to do stuff you care about.  They still work way faster than any other game.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on May 17, 2014, 04:02:00 AM

I stated they've done nothing to build up the "dynamic zone" idea they launched with, which is true. When the special event content isn't running the game is pretty much where it was at vanilla. Only change I can think of was Orr getting nerfed and that terrible new island nobody visits.

Had they built on the idea of interesting and dynamic zone content they might have ended up in a far more interesting place.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on May 29, 2014, 12:24:56 AM
Tourney is in the bag.  JQ takes first.  BG is double teamed into a tie for 3rd with SoS.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82533/wjANVCD.jpg)

Still no interest in playing right now (or possibly ever again), but this pleased me greatly.  Chest thumping after week one. Tisk tisk.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on May 29, 2014, 11:24:42 AM
I love that lizard.  :heart:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on May 29, 2014, 01:15:29 PM
How did Swagguma do?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on May 29, 2014, 01:21:29 PM
They had good fights. (Fifth).   Due to this format, I don't think they ever had to fight the tier 1 servers.  I liked last season's tourney due to being able to play all of the servers in your league, although it definitely made it harder to doublefuck BG.  SoR being morons didn't help.

SoR is bottom of the silver league.  

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82533/brick-laugh.gif)

edit: One of the best things out of all of this is that one of our more active commanders switched while things were not going so well.  He wasn't a really well liked commander and was always a bit pissy about everything.  Super poopsocker as well, guy had like 7 legendaries.  Seemed to be super close with the guild and then just up and transfers when things looked grim.  <lizard laugh>


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on May 29, 2014, 04:16:02 PM
All right, fifth place! out of six! still good for a weapon though.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on May 29, 2014, 04:17:58 PM
Wait who bailed?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on May 29, 2014, 04:20:39 PM
SoR is bottom of the silver league.

 :awesome_for_real: :awesome_for_real: :awesome_for_real:

I don't know what it says about me that I haven't touched GW2 in months but I still fucking loathe SoR and BG.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on May 29, 2014, 04:31:19 PM
Wait who bailed?

Wilco. He was the main reset night commander, because Mance would prefer to drink than play during the weekends. Mostly ran a dagger/dagger ele or guardian.  I think when you were still fairly active, him or Dynamite Blocks (who got major wife aggro and had to quit) were the main weekend/reset night commanders.  Or, if you were unlucky, it was that kid Gaerfield, and then we'd get rolled because no one wanted to follow that guy.  

I'm not completely sure what the SG commander situation is right now. Gixxy commands and we have a few mute commanders that fill in when needed. Stonewall's internet is terrible, but he's still around. There's a few trainees that I didn't get much experience with due to D3 and the tournament tag-teaming my will to play into the ground.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on May 29, 2014, 05:04:18 PM
We won Bronze league (woo?) and are moving up to Silver apparently. At some point I should probably actually join a WvW guild instead of just solo/duo roaming constantly. I think I am only rank 350ish with the majority of my time being in WvW.

I think I am the ONLY [BAT] representative on GoM, but I still use the guild to claim +5 supply on camps when my main guild forgets to requeue it after use.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on May 29, 2014, 05:46:36 PM
I'm surprised Wilco ditched.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Maven on May 31, 2014, 06:15:03 PM
It's unfortunate to hear that they didn't build on the dynamic zone idea. I thought that was the most interesting part of the game.

Their vanilla is still better than most other MMOs I've tried, though. When I look at the new MMOs, I have a knee-jerk reaction to say "Go play Guild Wars 2 instead."


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on June 16, 2014, 02:27:52 PM
http://dulfy.net/2014/06/13/gw2-june-13-balance-philosophy-dev-livesteam-notes/

All I have to say to this is :  :roffle:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on June 16, 2014, 06:39:12 PM
<sigh>


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on June 16, 2014, 06:42:22 PM
Anytime they say something about guardians, justifying that silly health pool, I lose a little desire to ever log in again.  They're really going to stick with that one until the dire end, aren't they?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on June 16, 2014, 07:07:06 PM
The sentence about that made literally no sense.

"Necromancers don't have spike but they have a large health pool so they can sustain. Guardians are just the same! They have a small health pool so they can sustain!"

I mean, wut?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on June 16, 2014, 09:44:16 PM
To be fair, its written in concept shorthand.

I have to say though that my Guard is rocking full soldiers armour and I'm still feeling a bit squishy for the role I'm supposed to be doing.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on June 17, 2014, 06:38:55 AM

I think the role they had in mind was a support buff-bitch, they don't want a "tank" class. Thus the low health pool. But that's not a fun role, and it's effect is so weak it's not really that rewarding either.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on June 17, 2014, 07:57:52 AM
Are you guys complaining guardians aren't tanky enough? Because they sure as fuck do not need more hps unless you severely nerf their survival tools. Guardians are already hard as fuck to kill, they need no help at all in that department.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on June 17, 2014, 08:15:35 AM
No, we're complaining that they seem clueless.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on June 17, 2014, 10:40:34 AM
I main a warrior and EVERYTHING they said about Warriors made me go WUT.

"need more options to escape combat"

I can't remember the last time ANYONE caught me in WvW when I decided to go, and if they do - they are so far ahead of their friends that I can usually burst on them and get them either downed or running from me. Warriors are ridiculous.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on June 17, 2014, 11:12:27 AM
Chasing a warrior is about as pointless as chasing a PU mesmer. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on June 25, 2014, 11:50:46 AM
Living Story Season 2 starts July 1st

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-WUW_hPwcI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-WUW_hPwcI)

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Living_World_season_2

Great intro movie I have to say. From the looks of it Destiny's Edge 2: Destiny's Lesbians are going to be a big part of it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: KallDrexx on June 25, 2014, 07:06:30 PM
Apparently Anet's stellar marketing team has determined that the reason I haven't played in about a year is because I don't know how to play the game. 

Only reason I can think they sent me two emails telling giving me awesome tips on combat, such as:

Quote
Combat in Guild Wars 2 is dynamic and fast-you have the ability to get out of the way of attacks by dodging. The easiest way to dodge is to double-click on one of the W,A,S, and D keys or press the V key. The endurance bar above your health orb shows your current capacity to dodge; anything above halfway means you can jump out of the way.

and

Quote
The red circle in the bottom center of your screen monitors your current health level. It will replenish quickly out of combat, but in the heat of battle you'll want to use your healing skill, which is number 6 on your skill bar. If your health orb completely empties, you're down but not dead.
.

....


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on June 25, 2014, 07:35:23 PM
Actually I disabled that double tap and set dodge to R as the double tap dodge was hard to pull off when I wanted and was getting me killed when it went off when I didn't want it.

But yeah...


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on June 25, 2014, 08:08:06 PM
I got that email too! The part about health was my favorite.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on June 26, 2014, 12:30:25 AM
Got it too and laughed. I disabled double tap a long time ago as I had a habit of dodging out of fields and into monster aoes etc. MMB became my dodge.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on June 26, 2014, 06:48:45 AM
Comedy moment. Some people got the email that have been long time players...

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/support/account/Email-talkin-about-Combat-tips-is-it-real-or/first#post4147436
Quote
Chris Cleary

Game Security Lead

Sorry about this! This got sent out on accident to a segment of our playerbase that it was not intended for. It was meant to be sent to players who are just now joining us in Guild Wars 2.

Reguarding email security, it is always good practice to be cautious about emails and links. If you aren’t sure about an email or link, you can always inspect the links that are embeded before clicking them.

That being said, there is nothing wrong on a refresher for base game mechanics!

Quote
We have halted the sending of this email, but some users will still be getting them due to them being already queued in the batch send system. We intend on solving the issue before sending out any more emails of this nature to players.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: KallDrexx on June 26, 2014, 06:58:20 AM
The thing is, the only purpose this email could solve is if they are seeing players create an account and playing for 5-10 minutes before quitting. 

I mean, those are all pretty basic things you learn in the first 5 minutes (except maybe double tap to dodge, sometime in the first hour).  Furthermore, why are you sending an email, if these concepts are confusing GIVE THEM A GETTING STARTED GUIDE SOMEWHERE IN THE GAME.  You know, so they don't have to keep alt tabbing because you are too lazy to make the game approachable....

It also shows they have a huge lack of understanding on why people don't "get" Guild Wars 2.  From all the friends who tried it then promptly quit none of these things were anywheres on the confusion list.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on June 26, 2014, 08:49:49 AM
Double-tap dodge + jumping puzzles = too much frustration

Now it's all about the jump dodges!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: eldaec on June 27, 2014, 04:26:53 AM
I think everyone learns about double tap dodge in the first few minutes when they get frustrated after triggering a dodge unintentionally for the 18th time.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tannhauser on June 27, 2014, 04:36:18 AM
Kall's right.  They really don't understand their players. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on June 28, 2014, 03:45:18 AM

That doesn't count as news... I'm not even sure they understand their own game.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on July 01, 2014, 12:38:22 PM
Season 2 is up. Seems we have a new map

Release page https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/july-01-2014/

Patch notes (hilariously the link given in the game and the about bage for this is wrong LOL) https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-July-1-2014


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Draegan on July 07, 2014, 03:28:35 PM
I can't wait to play this game again. I'm probably never going to play it though. For me to come back the current devs need to take a hike and some additions:

1) New classes
2) New skills per weapon (collectible with achievements or exploration or other hidden content)
3) New weapons for each class

This living story thing, while fun, is not worth sticking around for and I never liked the zerginess of WvW to ever bother again. This game needs actual updates.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on July 07, 2014, 03:40:29 PM
I'd come back for new weapons lines for each class.  A rifle based guardian or 2 hand sword using necro would be amusing.

Only reason to do living story is if you want the skins and money from the events.  Otherwise the content is pretty meh.  The solo stuff is OK, but the group stuff is either poorly tuned for the audience or just messy zerg fests.

I haven't even kept up with the WVW happenings.  LOL Sanctum of Rall is down in tier 7.  

At least in this game I most likely won't be horribly undergeared or uncompetitive when I come back.  Their current setup has mudflation at a somewhat sustainable pace.  If they come up with a tier after ascended, I'll be hosed.  It's always just there, which I guess is a point in it's favor.  Mance will likely have kicked me at some point.   :awesome_for_real:



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on July 07, 2014, 04:17:22 PM
I already got zee boot!  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on July 07, 2014, 05:58:21 PM
I play when there are new skins to get.  I need to be the prettiest princess.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on July 08, 2014, 12:28:05 AM
I'm torn on new classes. On the one hand, I would totally play again to level a new class to 80. On the other, they already suck at balance.

I would probably come back to fuck around with new weapon skills too, but that probably wouldn't hold me as long.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on July 08, 2014, 01:00:48 AM
They will never make new classes for GW2. They couldn't deliver on their original class loadout, which is why the Ranger exists. The ranger was actually like two or three classes they had to scrap due to time/resources/ideas/mechanics and just mushed the left over bits together.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on July 08, 2014, 05:54:56 AM
The ranger seems like any other ranger in any other mmo, including GW1.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on July 08, 2014, 08:38:38 AM
I guess I am the resident fanboy at this point, but I still log in daily to do WvW roaming and zerg busting. I ran through the Season 2 stuff to keep the story up to date, but the majority of my time is still spent in WvW. I level in EOTM and then make a fool out of myself playing all my different characters in WvW which helps keep it feeling at least a little new. When I get frustrated, I just log on my easy-mode Warrior to go crush people or run bravely away from them.

I can't see new classes being introduced, but I can see new weapons at some point.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on July 08, 2014, 09:18:14 AM
I play every day as well. Its not the best game out there but it scratches my itch quite will thank you very much, and it has different things to do so aqs long aqs i do diferent things every day i dont get bored.

I am torn on rerolling my charr thief for an Asura. The female charrs voice just grates on me.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on July 09, 2014, 07:45:17 AM
I still play on the reg, too. It's fun! I like the biweekly rollouts, since it feels like there's momentum while also letting me skip what I think sucks. Their storytelling is garbage, but it was garbage in GW1. Yet I really like the world, which doesn't make any sense but here we are.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: kaid on July 09, 2014, 02:10:56 PM
I can't wait to play this game again. I'm probably never going to play it though. For me to come back the current devs need to take a hike and some additions:

1) New classes
2) New skills per weapon (collectible with achievements or exploration or other hidden content)
3) New weapons for each class

This living story thing, while fun, is not worth sticking around for and I never liked the zerginess of WvW to ever bother again. This game needs actual updates.

Plus side at least this part of the live story is not zergy at all so far. Mostly like your personal story for your class some running around and finding stuff and some personal instances. God though coming from wildstars to this I forgot how much crap gets thrown in GW2 that there are no telegraphs for kinda annoying to try to figure out what needs to be dodged and what doesn't.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on July 09, 2014, 03:59:48 PM
The actual storyline they are trying to tell looks potentially interesting but we will have to see. It doesn't help that I want to strangle some of the NPCs you are stuck with though.   :argh:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on July 09, 2014, 04:04:19 PM

Yes, it is like the worst fan-fiction...


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on July 09, 2014, 11:40:13 PM
Does it have a Mary Sue villain yet? :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on July 10, 2014, 09:58:43 AM
Does Scarlet count?

IMO they should just retcon Tybalt and Sieran (along with any number of asura side characters, like the golem deathmatch announcer holowizard) and have them accompany the PC as he/she romps around Tyria kicking faces, saving stray kittens, discussing the finer details of the apple trade and whatnot. I'd buy that for a dollar, etc.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on July 10, 2014, 10:17:11 AM
Ypu had me at Tybalt.

I wonder if GRRM was writing for them: "Here, have a well-written, interesting character with decent back story and conversation... and now they die". Then they got Michael Bay in to do Scarlett: "Mary Sue... blows things up - add more fire, blow more shit up, more explosions, dialogue, blow shit up". Not sure who directed the Arah dragon fight, probably David Lynch or Woody Allen - you know there's a story there somewhere - but you just don't care.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on July 10, 2014, 12:14:46 PM
I'm guessing totally different writers between the two teams, but yes.  It's a pretty dramatic difference.

I'd settle for a "they're not really dead" superhero rebirth if it got us better characters.  (Note, the current writing team is not allowed to touch them if that happens.)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on July 10, 2014, 04:12:42 PM
I don't remember who the hell Tybalt is.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on July 10, 2014, 04:13:42 PM
You can't name someone Tybalt and let them live.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz8i68lpBpc


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on July 10, 2014, 04:13:54 PM
I don't remember who the hell Tybalt is.


Dead apple merchant.  :awesome_for_real:

He'll be played by Sean Bean in the Guild Wars movie.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on July 10, 2014, 04:24:01 PM
I don't remember who the hell Tybalt is.

He's your mentor if you join the Order of whispers. He would love your apples!  :oh_i_see:

All 3 of the order mentors were great characters. Then you meet Trehearne... Urgh. The tragedy is that if you read Trehearne's dialogue its actually great, its just that the voice actor mangles it completely. I read it in my mind with Optimus primes voice and it would have been fabulous. Urgh.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on July 10, 2014, 07:15:03 PM
Man, I still don't remember this Tybalt person at all. And I DID join the Order of Whispers! Twice, I think!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on July 10, 2014, 07:29:05 PM
Tybalt was awesome.  The only time the entire scarlet storyline had any impact at all was when the bitch made me fight Tybalt in that giant tower of hers.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on July 10, 2014, 09:42:48 PM
Two Tibbs a Whisker (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGYiClmd1Mo) ring any bells?

BTW, Jennifer Hale does awesome drunks.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on July 10, 2014, 11:45:24 PM
Ohhhhh right, that guy. Man, I had completely forgotten about him. Honestly, the only characters I even sort of remember is your douchebag friend as a human noble and the charr you went joyriding with after getting shitfaced as a Norn.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Simond on July 11, 2014, 05:57:48 AM
I don't remember who the hell Tybalt is.

He's your mentor if you join the Order of whispers. He would love your apples!  :oh_i_see:

All 3 of the order mentors were great characters. Then you meet Trehearne... Urgh. The tragedy is that if you read Trehearne's dialogue its actually great, its just that the voice actor mangles it completely. I read it in my mind with Optimus primes voice and it would have been fabulous. Urgh.
The majority of GW2 voice acting is...not exactly bad per se, but odd. It's like they did so many takes that the VAs got bored or fed up in the end, and then they used that one. And that's not even counting the multiple mispronunciations - seriously people, "quay" is "key", not "kway"!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on July 11, 2014, 07:22:37 AM
Golem being pronounced as Gollum drives me up the fucking wall. I bugged it like five times in the alpha to no avail.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on July 11, 2014, 11:52:54 AM
Kwaa is acceptable in American English.  I didn't even know it could be pronounced Key.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on July 11, 2014, 12:39:14 PM
"Quay" is "kway" in American English, yeah.

Most of the voice acting IS bad - often even when turned in by otherwise good voice actors. It gives me much more of an appreciation for what a good voice director does for a game, that's for sure.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on July 11, 2014, 12:50:42 PM
Terrible voice acting has been a staple for GW since Prophecies, though. My guildies STILL make fun of Rurik / Undead Lich (lol) / Togo / Danika / almost the entire Nightfall cast whenever GW1 comes up.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Simond on July 11, 2014, 03:01:35 PM
Kwaa is acceptable in American English.  I didn't even know it could be pronounced Key.
Okay, chalk that one up to another case of "Americans can't speak proper like wot I do".  :grin:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on July 11, 2014, 03:06:07 PM
What I find sort of funny is SUPER terrible voice acting is apparently a Norn racial trait.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on July 11, 2014, 03:10:56 PM
As well as any non-playable race.

Bear shaman Marga is hilariously bad. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on July 11, 2014, 03:27:26 PM
Quaggan sad.  :cry:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on July 11, 2014, 06:58:36 PM
The placeholder text-to-speech engine in the TESO beta did a better job of voice acting than most of the scouts and vendors in this game.

That is not an exaggeration.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Stokowski on July 11, 2014, 11:06:08 PM
The move to "kway" in American English is a relatively recent development. (A case where ignorance slowly becomes embedded.) You can actually trace the historic shifts from "kee" to "kwey" to "kway".

Don't get me started how the game butchered "centaur" and "minotaur".


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on July 15, 2014, 06:30:51 PM
Second chunk of the living story debuted today. I have to say, its a VAST improvement over the first part, with some actual half decent story telling and some very dangerous monsters being added to the mix. Expect to die a quite few times before you figure out how to deal with them. The new area is quite a bit of fun as well.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on July 16, 2014, 02:12:34 AM
I'm not sure that anything could be worse than part one. Biggest non-event ever. For a game that has beautiful graphics and had so much potential - the turd that is the living story is pathetic.





I'll still log in to check it out though.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on July 16, 2014, 06:43:45 AM
Yeah, yesterday's content is legit. The writers can't fucking write dialogue, which lets the thing down a bit at a very serious moment (no spoilers, but bad jokes with terrible voice acting at the most serious, history altering point of the story is a no no), but damn, the larger story unfolding in this episode is actually good.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on July 16, 2014, 09:45:45 AM
Story spoiler image



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on July 23, 2014, 09:31:19 PM
I already got zee boot!  :why_so_serious:

I just checked.  I did too!  Then I looked at doing the first part of the living story and it's 200 gems because I didn't log on for a while (Wildstar then Divinity).  :oh_i_see:

So much motivation to play.   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on July 23, 2014, 09:44:23 PM
Wait, what? You have to spend gems to access the new content?  So this is basically a paid expansion?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on July 23, 2014, 10:07:35 PM
I guess if you don't log in when it's the current living story iteration, gems are required to unlock it.  So, I can do part 2 for free, but part 1 costs gems. This is truly, truly outrageous.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on July 23, 2014, 10:29:22 PM
Yes, if you log in during the 2 weeks that an episode is "active" you can do that episode for free, even if you don't actually do that story till later.

I wouldn't waste my money on episode 1. The highlight is girlylesbian telling a badly wounded and dying woman that she loves her dress and must get something in that colour, followed by me punching something. Though there is a fairly tough boss fight.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on July 23, 2014, 10:44:55 PM
I can't remember how much gems are to know if 200 gems is a lot or not.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on July 23, 2014, 10:50:04 PM
I think its 800 for 10 euros. You can trade gold for Gems in game as well, but the price fluctuates a lot.

*edit* yeah, its 10 dollars OR 10 Euros for 800. They make more from my purchase  :grin:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on July 23, 2014, 11:01:49 PM
Suckeeeeeeer.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on July 23, 2014, 11:18:54 PM
You might think so, I could not possibly comment.  :oh_i_see:

Anyway, for a further comparison, right now 200 gems would cost you around 23 gold.

And I really don't begrudge them charging a little for the content, to be honest. They have to eat.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: KallDrexx on July 24, 2014, 06:42:35 AM
The problem is they are missing the whole point of people complaining about the live content going away.  While some people who regularly did have complaints about not being able to log in at one time or another, the major turnoff was to people who hadn't played in a while who might come back because of all the new content (and the lack of new content is a huge factor for people who stopped playing, at least from my friends who hadn't logged in in a while).

They are making it so the longer I wait to come back, the more expensive it becomes and thus the less likely i'll come back, when in reality if the content was free I'd probably come back at the end of the season and probably spend the same amount of gems on gold and other stuff anyways, but the fact that it's forcing me just to see the content makes me just want to play the content I already have in my library.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on July 24, 2014, 08:41:29 AM
Disagree. You have to log in for literally 30 seconds at any time during the two week period to unlock it for free. You can log in, unlock, and then do it three years later if you want. They charge for just about nothing needed. We don't complain (much) about having to catch up on much more expensive expansion cycles if we've been away for awhile; I don't see why this is a dealbreaker.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on July 24, 2014, 09:43:20 AM
If it's so easily bypassed, why put it in there at all?

It's not like I can't afford it either. I have enough gold to make it pretty easy.  However, I logged on, saw it was blocked behind 200 gems, and then promptly logged off again.  It's a turn off and a deterrent to someone who was thinking of playing.  This was the perfect time to get me back (just finished Divinity OS and Wildstar before that).  I even buy gems from time to time.  :awesome_for_real:

Someone bump this damn post every time they update.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: KallDrexx on July 24, 2014, 04:44:04 PM
Disagree. You have to log in for literally 30 seconds at any time during the two week period to unlock it for free. You can log in, unlock, and then do it three years later if you want. They charge for just about nothing needed. We don't complain (much) about having to catch up on much more expensive expansion cycles if we've been away for awhile; I don't see why this is a dealbreaker.

My gaming rig has 128gb SSD.  Between Windows and the games I"m actually playing I don't have much room to keep a game on there just so I can randomly log in *if I even remember* just so that in a few months when I cycle back to it I don't have to pay a bunch of money just to try new content. 

Also, I haven't logged in in at least 8 months because I gave up on the live content due to not being able to play at opportune times and uninstalled the game.  Even if I had the space to spare they haven't given me enough incentive to spend the time downloading the client just so i can be prepared to play their game in the future without feeling like I'm getting nickeled and dimed.  I'd rather wait and download it (and deal with it) when I'm actually in the mood to play the game.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on July 24, 2014, 06:55:52 PM
Its hardly "A bunch of money" It works out at 2.50 per episode. So, if they put out 8 episodes (which will take them 4 months) you will be forking over 20 quid for 4 months content. IF you CHOSE to play the content. And unlike the Personal story you can replay the missions you like as often as you want. AND you don't have to pay for the episodes all at once either like a boxed expansion. 2.50 a week to progress the story at a slow pace is hardly going to break the bank.

Really, I don't understand what the hell the big deal is here. There's a lot worse DLC bullshit stuff going on out there than this. AND they haven't charged regular players for it, which is a bloody good deal compared with "OUR WOW EXPANSIONS WILL BLOT OUT THE SUN." If they were charging everyone for Living story 2 people would be up in arms, but its "Waa I'm sad cause a game I never play anymore but which has no sub fees is putting shit out that I will have to pay for if I ever bother playing again and if I want to play it waaa"

Plus I think the slow release is neatly solving the "WAA I PLAYED THROUGH YOUR SHIT EXPANSION THAT YOU WORKED ON FOR MONTHS IN 15 HOURS YOU ALL SUCK THERE'S NO CONTENT IN YOUR GAME!!" poobsokker problem.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on July 25, 2014, 12:15:06 AM
I think it's a fine compromise, personally, although I can definitely understand being annoyed because you feel like you're being fined $2.50 because you didn't log in during a particular two week period. But for me, I just wish they had been doing something like this from the beginning.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: KallDrexx on July 25, 2014, 06:50:24 AM
*shrug*

Like you said, it's not a lot which means I'd probably spend that money on other items if I found myself having fun in the game again.  But since that $2.50 can easily add up to $10-15 for a full season of content, which easily adds up to many much bigger bouts of new content I can get from a new AAA game on steam. 

Btw, I also don't participate in DLC unless it's bundled during a sale, mostly because individually they don't usually offer that much content for hte price.

But whatever.  I do actually have the idea for a while to start playing again, I just don't have the time to dedicate it at the moment and the idea that I already missed a bunch of new content, and the other new content I'm in the process of missing I'd have to pay to experience even though most people got it for free doesn't really give me that much incentive.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on July 25, 2014, 09:50:02 AM
What parts do you pay for? Just the 'story' stuff? Isn't Drytop and the events going on their part of the world now? If it's just the story stuff you pay for Youtube will get you through that no problem. So far there hasn't really been anything in the world that I felt was something I would miss out on by not doing. I guess if you were after achievements that would be a bit of an incentive.

I was trying to make one of the new Ambrite weapons until I realized I had to grind for geodes for it and hope we got to at least Tier 4.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Morfiend on July 25, 2014, 02:33:36 PM
Playing Wildstart made me really miss GW2. I'm thinking about picking it up again. I basically havent played since like 4 months after release, and a super brief stint like 9 months ago.

Can anyone give a short state of the game and class balance right now, also would this be good time to come back to it?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on July 25, 2014, 06:42:10 PM

Class balancing was pretty timid so I don't think that much changed in how the classes play.

Their new content is fairly challenging so aimed at the end-game crowd, reasonably entertaining and they're still quite good at building worlds. It's an interesting, but really slow, evolution of their world events idea. From the original "one event, one time, one place" which was dumb, to the "event area for period of time" which was wasteful and now to more permanent addition to the endgame. It's sort of where they should have been at launch but oh well.

They've still gone virtually no where with the "zone meta-event" idea and class/gameplay/temp-skills evolution has been stagnant.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on July 25, 2014, 07:40:41 PM
Mechanically the game is in a very good state right now. I was listening on TS during the recent queens jubilee event and people were saying that the game has never been better in terms of gameplay, and no-one was really disagreeing.  The Megaservers ensure that maps are generally full of people so, yeah, its a good time to give it a whirl again. You wont run from the screen screaming at least.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on July 26, 2014, 06:40:47 PM
http://dulfy.net/2014/07/25/gw2-upcoming-changes-to-engineer-and-ranger/

Upcoming changes to engineer and ranger. Some good stuff.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on July 28, 2014, 04:02:23 PM
I'm happy they fixed the Ranger Signet nonsense, but I'm also frustrated because it took them nearly two fucking years to make that change. Something that anyone could've seen as stupid and broken after playing with it for all of five minutes.


Now if we can convince them to make the arrow speed talent default LB behavior so you can get pierce+range+flightspeed together at the same time. Well see you in two years I guess.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Draegan on July 29, 2014, 08:30:49 AM
The class design team for GW2 has never been good. It's probably because the lead guy is a clicker.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on July 29, 2014, 04:09:40 PM
Well, they deserve props for trying to get away from the usual "tank damage healer" shit that every WOW clode uses.

Anyway. Ep 3 Debuted few hours ago. Unfortunately, it has a few bugs.  :oh_i_see:

Chief among them is a howler that I cant really blame Anet for as it would be impossible to test before the thing went live. As part of the story you hop over to Iron marches and have to talk to an NPC who goes on patrol with you to kill plants. HOWEVER what happened today is that THE ZERG degended on Iron marches and the NPC like the Legions of Darkness and started talking to the NPC. The PROBLEM is that if everyone talks to her she never gets to the phase where she drops flamethrowers and gets moving. And when nothing happened Gamers started poking her like anal retentive OCD nerds. AND of course the trolls appeared not 10 mins after the patch telling everyone to keep talking to her over and over and she will work. One even claimed when I started telling him to shut up that he had seen this in a youtube vid (20 minutes after the patch, yeah right)

So the only way around this is to wander off and wait till the OCD Zerg decides to strain its way through the event. So cya late tonight lads...


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Hawkbit on July 29, 2014, 07:43:03 PM


Someone bump this damn post every time they update.

I'm opted into their promotional emails and it sends an email every time they update the story.  That might help remind you to log in, if you're interested.  Today's email was titled "Log In Today for The Dragon’s Reach: Part 1! "


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sjofn on July 30, 2014, 01:37:09 AM
Yeah the emails are pretty handy for knowing when an update happens, and that's basically the only kind I ever get from them (except for that one time where they were teaching me that running out of health is bad and I should avoid that).

The update today was pretty unstable, I actually decided to play for a little bit and I got disconnected a bunch of times to cure me of that.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Draegan on July 30, 2014, 10:15:31 AM
Well, they deserve props for trying to get away from the usual "tank damage healer" shit that every WOW clode uses.



No they don't, not when they did an awful job of it. It can't work in a DIKU based game anyway, plus people like having roles to play in these games.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on July 30, 2014, 10:24:35 AM
Mmmm, yeah despite mi comments giving them a pass on yesterdays update, I cant really on todays. Basically the issue in iron marches is fixed but later you are sent to frostgorge sound, which waves an old repeating event into the new story. Not necessarily a bad thing to so in theory. Unfortunately that event has now been upscaled so much because of the amount of people that are doing it all of a sudden that it seems to have broken. My guess due to a bug that never happened before as only a few people ever did that event at once.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Simond on August 01, 2014, 02:58:21 PM
Well, they deserve props for trying to get away from the usual "tank damage healer" shit that every WOW clode uses.
It would have been better if they'd actually, you know, replaced it with something instead of just "lol dunno just kite?"


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on August 01, 2014, 03:09:00 PM
As much as I think the so called 'trinity' is stale and needs to be replaced with something better, I'll take it over yakety sax any day.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Draegan on August 04, 2014, 09:48:34 AM
As much as I think the so called 'trinity' is stale and needs to be replaced with something better, I'll take it over yakety sax any day.

You're never going to replace the trinity, ever. You can play semantic games with it but in a game that is group based with stuff that does damage you're always going to have one group of people be "front line" and take/avoid/block damage or occupy the bad guys in some fashion, you're always going to have people doing damage (maybe it's a secondary role to tanking and supporting), and you're always going to have people supporting (healing, buffs, debuffs, utility whatever).


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on August 04, 2014, 09:57:21 AM
No, but it does require making encounters something other than a stock tank-and-spank.  If you get rid of the Trinity you have to get rid of bosses the Trinity would fight.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on August 04, 2014, 11:23:25 AM
There are a few GW2 bosses that kindasorta get non-trinity gameplay right, like the Iron Forgeman. For 99% of the GW2 dungeons I did, instead of the trinity, everyone had to follow these simple rules:
1] maximize deeps (both yours and the group's via boons etc)
2] know every single mechanic by heart (trash included) as well as all the shortcuts/bugs/exploits in the current dungeon
3] don't get hit, ever (sidestepping, dodging, immunity abilities)

It's basically five people spamming damage into enemies while avoiding the avoidable mechanics and maybe managing defiance stacks (I'm not impressed with that btw, COH did it much better -- even on high-end boss enemies). To be fair, GW1 dungeons were even worse.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on August 04, 2014, 11:32:39 AM
I'm not sure I agree that GW1 dungeons were worse. If nothing else, there was a sort of fun game in trying to build a party of 7 heroes + character to the point where they could beat that stuff.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on August 04, 2014, 11:41:00 AM
I'm not sure I agree that GW1 dungeons were worse. If nothing else, there was a sort of fun game in trying to build a party of 7 heroes + character to the point where they could beat that stuff.
Well yeah, but for the most part they were just pure chaos that resolved itself with player input being restricted to "don't overaggro" and "ctrl-space to call targets for the heroes to nuke" (after the 7-hero patch, that is). I soloed most of the (non-elite) dungeons while picking up the HOM points, and the only time it felt somewhat engaging was doing a Glint solo run when I had to intercept multiple enemy groups while making sure that my team can stay alive. Even then, it felt a lot more like an RTS than anything else, and I hate hate hate RTS. edit: the only good solo pve in GW1 was probably fighting the War in Kryta enemies who actually used their abilities in a way that was somewhat dangerous and required more attention than 'focus fire, kill, next'.

I was more referring to the elite dungeons though (which seem to be what they were trying to 'improve' in GW2). I did a guild run of Sorrow's Furnace way-back-when, and all I remember was a terrible, terrible slog that could get RNG'd at crucial times (like when defending the cleric for a section). There wasn't much in terms of tactics either, it was just pushing buttons like crazy, trying to focus fire, and hoping the enemy didn't all gang up on someone and one-shot them (or that we had a prot monk with superhuman reflexes).

It's strange because GW1's story missions were really fun to play with my guild, even when we were using henchies... heck, we still have several injokes about Alesia, Orion, Rurik, Devona, and their capability to be useless and/or failboat in amusing ways!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on August 04, 2014, 01:03:03 PM
GW1 was more about building a team that would compliment one another, but being able to use heroes and not depend upon anyone else was a huge help in that regard.  GW2 doesn't really have that option as NPCs would be slaughtered no matter how finely tuned you made their abilities.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on August 04, 2014, 04:07:36 PM

I still think it's possible their "soft" class model could work. They still have class roles and the concept of having group synergies and combo fields. But in practice the powers are limited and weak, possiby due to the need for PvP balance or just being timid, and don't really matter much. So it all devolves down to the lowest common denominator of stacking DPS and relying on kiting to keep you alive while you burn the mob down. Though to an extent they are also failing to solve something that wasn't that much of a problem in reality.

They also failed with the goal of having party flexibility. You can make a GW2 dungeon group out of any combination of classes but that's mainly because the class roles are weak not because their design is strong. And in practice classes are not equally favoured or useful as many of the mechanics lose out once everyone is building for DPS.

My Guardian always tempts me as having a group role. You could stack healing (if it wasn't hopelessly weak), spread around protection to your allies (if the uptime wasn't tiny) and use intercept and block moves (if you could have more skill bars) but it's arguable whether it's worth bothering. Then you have something like my Necromancer which is just a mess and has a bunch of central mechanics that don't work that well with how the game is actually played.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Morfiend on August 05, 2014, 12:50:29 PM
I'm really into this again. I only just started it back up, but its really filling the cravings I was having. Anyone has an active guild with openings for a pretty casual player?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 05, 2014, 01:24:33 PM
So far none of the living story events have had any unique skin rewards right?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Draegan on August 05, 2014, 03:43:54 PM
No, but it does require making encounters something other than a stock tank-and-spank.  If you get rid of the Trinity you have to get rid of bosses the Trinity would fight.

Like what? The majority of fights in PVE games that have trinity are hardly tank and spank these days.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on August 05, 2014, 04:02:49 PM
So far none of the living story events have had any unique skin rewards right?

Kind of, but you need to craft them. The weapons look pretty good in game - especially the staff (http://dulfy.net/2014/07/15/gw2-ambrite-weapon-skins-gallery/) and there is a new craftable backpiece that will supposedly grow as the Living Story progresses (http://dulfy.net/2014/07/29/gw2-mysterious-vine-backpiece-guide/)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Modern Angel on August 05, 2014, 04:27:28 PM
I got the chest drop for an amber insect weapon with the last key I had. Quick craft of the staff. It looks cool as hell.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on August 05, 2014, 11:16:25 PM
Malchor's leap is currently being deforested industrial scale as its one of the best places to get elder wood for foxfire clusters :D

The drop rate is ridiculously low however, but the price of them is going down on the TP as everyone is chopping wood. I recon they will stabilize eventually at around the 40 silver mark.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on August 07, 2014, 08:40:54 PM
Started playing again.  Edge of the Mists is super fun.   :drill:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on August 13, 2014, 04:59:40 PM
Part 4 of the new living story deputed yesterday. To be honest its pretty damn fun. Ended with yet another "OHMIFKNGOD" moment. They are pausing it till "the fall" so this is a mid season finale. No major bugs apart from a howler that made it impossible to make the new improved backpack if you had completed it before the patch. All in all though the story is pretty legit.

For those needing a guide to making the new backpack (or just want to look at pics of it) here it is.

http://dulfy.net/2014/07/29/gw2-mysterious-vine-backpiece-guide/

http://dulfy.net/2014/08/13/gw2-cultivated-vine-backpiece-guide/

http://dulfy.net/2014/08/13/gw2-mawdrey-ascended-backpiece-and-pet-crafting-guide/

If you think "holy fuck that's stupidly complicated" yep I agree with you. I may or may not make the backpack as I don't really like the way it looks.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on August 13, 2014, 07:26:57 PM
It looks like more work than a legendary, which I have yet to make, and since all they do is back items for events I have a dozen I already like the look of.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on August 14, 2014, 08:59:52 AM
A couple of guild mates are making at least the exotic, and it's the Foxfire clusters that are the pain. ANET just can't stay away from stupid low RNG.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 14, 2014, 11:21:56 AM
It looks dumb as hell, but i love the name.  And that it eats bloodstone dust.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on August 20, 2014, 04:02:17 PM
https://www.guildwars2.com/en-gb/the-game/releases/feature-packs/

So far this feature pack has been pretty meh, but I was pretty interested in the changes to Commander Tags. Originally in an interview at Gamescon, one of the Devs said that the price of the Tag is going up to 300g, will become account bound and all each additional colour would be another 300g.

This didn't sit well.

After a few days of yowling on forums and reddit they announced the Commander changes today and have adjusted the functionality. 300g for the Commander’s Compendium and that will include all colours and be account bound. Changes made over the weekend a direct result of the loud amount of feedback they received.

Mission accomplished? Personally, I am pretty happy that my Commander Tag is getting a bit of a functionality boost, but more importantly I am glad it is becoming account bound. It's a good start at least.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on August 20, 2014, 04:38:01 PM
The problem will be this won't be a 'start', this will be 'it' and wait another year for anything else to change.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 20, 2014, 04:42:51 PM
They blew their load on the first feature pack, i'm not surprised there isn't much left for this one.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on September 10, 2014, 11:13:54 AM
Did ANet just NGE'd GW2?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-On3Ya0_4Y

This Feature Patch has been a trainwreck, from the three week annoucement of basic QoL stuff to the QoL stuff not really offering much quality.

I've been a pretty staunch supporter of ANet and this game - but good lord, this patch has been a disaster.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: tazelbain on September 10, 2014, 11:22:28 AM
Every since the "You know when we said you never have to grind for max level gear? Yes. We never said that, here is our new system to grind new max level gear." they can choke on a dick.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on September 10, 2014, 12:52:40 PM
The mini-wardrobe and mini slot are things I've wanted a long time.  And several of my characters are already 80.  That's about the only nice thing I can say about the dumbing down of the game.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on September 10, 2014, 02:37:31 PM
Those are some baffling changes.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on September 10, 2014, 03:23:09 PM
Did ANet just NGE'd GW2?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-On3Ya0_4Y

This Feature Patch has been a trainwreck, from the three week annoucement of basic QoL stuff to the QoL stuff not really offering much quality.

I've been a pretty staunch supporter of ANet and this game - but good lord, this patch has been a disaster.


Is that video supposed to be sarcastic?  Because the whole time all he does is say how glad he is that ANet has taken away all his choices.  :uhrr:

Edit: Ok, finished watching it.  The sarcasm is more apparent at the end.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on September 10, 2014, 03:30:04 PM
He did a good job if your sarcasm meter isn't registering.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on September 10, 2014, 04:11:57 PM
There are way too many people who's view of games is just like that, only they're being sincere.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on September 10, 2014, 04:45:59 PM
Good video...  I don't understand the GW2 development process at all. They launched with really strong foundations and have basically just randomly staggered about making incomprehensible changes, very slowly, since.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on September 10, 2014, 05:43:47 PM
I'm glad I don't watch many video game reviews then.

As for the mind-boggling decisions, I'd guess it's because the live team is different from the pre-release team.  If that's not it then I don't know.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ingmar on September 10, 2014, 05:45:23 PM
"You know what's wrong with our game? Leveling is much more fun than playing at 80. Let's dial that back a bit."


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on September 10, 2014, 05:50:47 PM
The only thing they should've been working on since launch should've been a) heroes and b) expansions.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on September 10, 2014, 05:56:55 PM
Anet has always had a very odd idea of fun. They've also had internal 'battles' over the direction of their games more then once.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on September 10, 2014, 06:02:03 PM
Wow. That video.  

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82533/wtf.gif)

Well, I never wanted to play those low level alts anyhow.  :awesome_for_real:

They was really no need to ever touch the leveling experience except to perhaps make it even shorter for veterans (like what Marvel Heroes does).  There's a lot of ways they could just print money, but they're just too fucking stupid to do it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: KallDrexx on September 10, 2014, 07:06:43 PM
Wow is that video for real.

lololol


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Morfiend on September 10, 2014, 08:46:37 PM
People on the forums are also reacting pretty much as expected.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on September 10, 2014, 08:47:47 PM
That dudes voice made me turn the video of after five seconds, what did they do that was so terrible?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on September 10, 2014, 08:54:37 PM
Play the game.

edit for less snark:

He just showed off the new changes and contrasted them with how it previously was.  The changes come off as completely absurd.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on September 11, 2014, 09:17:52 AM
Also he showed a new character being directed to Frostgorge Sound by the helpful single-item "what to do" feature.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tmon on September 11, 2014, 10:21:55 AM
At what level does the hand holding restricting choices end?  I've got about 10 of those level a character to 20 scrolls and I'm hoping that's high enough to skip the changes.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: KallDrexx on September 11, 2014, 10:34:31 AM
Pulled from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Misconceptions-regarding-Level-gating

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The following are level gated items:
Weapon skill 2 (Unlocked at level 2)
Weapon skill 3 (Unlocked at level 3)
Profession skill F1 (Unlocked at level 4)
Rally(downstate) (Unlocked at level 5)
Off-hand weapon slot (Unlocked at level 7)
Weapon skill 4 (Unlocked at level 7)
Underwater Combat (Unlocked at level 8 with underwater weapon skills 1 and 2)
Personal story (Unlocked at level 10 in chapters every 10 levels)
Weapon skill 5 (Unlocked at level 10)
Utility Skill 1 (Unlocked at level 13)
Underwater skill 3 (Unlocked at level 14)
Weapon Swap (Unlocked at level 15)
Down Skill 3 (Unlocked at level 19)
Profession skill F3 (Unlocked at level 22)
Underwater skill 5 (Unlocked at level 23
Utility Skill 2 (Unlocked at level 24)
Profession skill F4 (Unlocked at level 24)
Adapt Tier Traits (Unlocked at level 30)
Elite Skill (Unlocked at level 40)
Master Traits (Unlocked at level 60)
Grandmaster Traits (Unlocked at level 80)

The following items are not locked but do not appear on the minimap until the specified level.
Points of Interest (level 7)
Gathering Nodes (Level 9) – Nodes may have been removed in areas before this level. No there is no potato famine there is plenty of potato in Metrica Province.
Vista (level 10)

However, there are discussions below that there are more stuff gated than what's on that list


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nija on September 11, 2014, 10:51:31 AM
What in the ever loving fuck are they doing? That's the only thing I would have possibly considered doing in GW2 again - leveling an alt.

There still isn't anything to do at max level. Their living story is complete bullshit. Release a fucking expansion already with actual worthwhile content, thanks.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: KallDrexx on September 11, 2014, 10:55:03 AM
A lot of things I've been reading is this was done for the China market (speculation is to support some VIP service coming down the line) but even the Chinese audience balked and complained about that.  So anet decided to do the sensible thing and push it out to NA as well   :oh_i_see:

Other complaints I have seen is the teleport to friend option is now gone, and one of the leaked/data mined pictures of the VIP stuff announce that as a VIP feature, so lol.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on September 11, 2014, 11:17:53 AM
WTF?  Teleport to friend is gone?  That was a major fucking innovation!  Dammit Arenanet.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on September 11, 2014, 11:25:58 AM
Colin Johanson chimes in:


To be fair, I haven't tried any of these changes and no matter what, I wasn't going to like them. I HATE the new trait unlock system and that in itself was enough that I didn't do anything but zerg up an alt.

This is all fine and dandy, but really the big thing is going to be what are they going to do to keep the veteran players going. I now have made myself two legendaries, have one of every class at level 80, dabbled in crafting ascended gear and spend most of my time in WvW. I am not interested in fractals or dungeons and have only done them out of necessity, the living story is a 2 hour run every couple of weeks, sPvP mildly interests me but I get too caught up in the trashtalk and trolling to really enjoy it - plus it's a dull gameplay.

I love that this game allowed me to level up and gear up without much trouble. I do quite enjoy WvW where I can both roam and zerg if I want, but it has it's many issues too. I have never been a fan of dungeons in any game which meant I was never at or near the top of a gear curve - in GW2 I am.

It's a really good game, I stand by that - but the lack of new content that I enjoy is really starting to get to me.

A lot of things I've been reading is this was done for the China market (speculation is to support some VIP service coming down the line) but even the Chinese audience balked and complained about that.  So anet decided to do the sensible thing and push it out to NA as well   :oh_i_see:

Other complaints I have seen is the teleport to friend option is now gone, and one of the leaked/data mined pictures of the VIP stuff announce that as a VIP feature, so lol.

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Misconceptions-regarding-Level-gating/page/4#post4397142

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Colin, just clear up one thing – There is 0% chance EU/NA GW2 gets a VIP system?
We’re absolutely not bringing the China VIP system to NA/EU, correct.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on September 11, 2014, 11:31:28 AM
To be quite honest none of that seems so terrible.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: KallDrexx on September 11, 2014, 12:05:13 PM
Colin's reply really gets at the root of the problem, that they are trying to bandaid progression onto a game that was explicitely designed to have very little meaningful progression, and have now realized that they were wrong but are too constrained by their existing gameplay systems.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on September 11, 2014, 12:11:05 PM
I still don't know what was wrong with the GW1 model. Flat power curve reachable quickly (except prophecies, but screw prophecies), then xpacs every year with some new variants on skills, new classes, etc. Money hats!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on September 11, 2014, 12:22:52 PM
Only Achievers need the ding.  I was perfectly happy with the system we had before.  Give me all the tools from early levels and let me at the world.

The GW1 progression and skill system is a great example.  I had my main class, but there was a whole game around unlocking all the skills and mixing-and-matching for both a secondary profession and heroes.  There were uniques to discover, weapon mods to perfect, and all kinds of small improvements that let you still have a goal after reaching max level.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on September 12, 2014, 09:21:26 AM
I'm at the stage where I'm crafting ascended weapons for myself. I still like the game and play it every day, but a lot of these seem to be tinkering for the sake of tinkering.

One of the problems Anet has is that they seem to be relying on contract staff now rather than paid full timers. The usual classdoor ranting http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/people-remember-president-obama/friends/

However, Its starting to give me that feel of the stuff that eventually made me leave STO - it became filled with pointless shit that you have to do to get the shiney which is stopping you from doing the stuff you enjoy doing. That "chop down 200 trees to get a foxfire cluster" was giving me that horrific STO "Chasing cats and hitting dilithium cluster minigames to fill the daily progression tick" feel, and I don't like that at all. Luckily it had the side effect of making me have a lot of elder wood to turn into spiritwood so it allowed me to actually get going on crafting ascended gear, but its still annoying as all hell.

Luckily I waited till now when the prices are down to make Maudrey, (I want the pet, the backpack can go hang) but I'm stuck as I HATE fractals, I'm useless at fractals, but I have to do fractals to make the thing. I tried it and I fucked up the fractal for everyone and eventually left as I was doing so badly. I'm physically dreading doing them now. I've done 4 fractals in my life and failed 2 of those, so I have to succeed in 3 more. AAAARGH!!!

I don't get the hate on the dungeons on the game however. They are still pretty enjoyable for me. Though its hilarious that people who call themselves leet players are STILL insisting on stacking at the Spider Queen spot in AC when that was patched out months ago.

The crying over the FGS nerf has been glorious however. The #4 skill against a wall bug was ludicrous, everyone knew it was ludicrous, yet now people are crying that they have made Eles totally and completely useless because they have fixed one broken overpowered "this is a nuke" skill. What they really mean is "WAAAAH I CANT KILL THINGS INSTANTLY SO I'M DYING CAUSE I'M WEARING ZERKER GEAR!!!"


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on September 13, 2014, 05:12:10 PM
The trait unlocks are a real headscratcher, but nothing in comparison to the new trading post ui.  The only thing I can think of is that it's designed to cause people to sell things instantly by accident, therefore acting as a goldsink within a goldsink.  At least now there doesn't seem to be "trade suppression," but only because transactions take frustratingly longer.

Luckily I may never have to deal with levels 1-20 ever again regardless of how many alts I make, since the level 20 boosters drop often enough to stack up in the bank. 

The original reason I was excited about GW2 when I first heard about it still exists today:  large scale pvp and open world events.  EOTM is an obvious target for criticism, but it has fast paced gameplay for both of those things.  I spend most of my time there, make plenty of gold, and get plenty of loot.  WVW is something different now, and I'm not quite sure what because I stay away from it, but EOTM is what WVW was at launch only with more loot.  I'm with the rabble.

NGE is a high bar to compare anything to, I don't think they've gotten there yet!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on September 13, 2014, 06:41:43 PM
EotM is what? It's a drama filled karma train that was good for fast leveling a Ranger. I'm not sure it does anything it's supposed to very well. The best thing about EotM is the Gold level people who come to WvW and get smoked because they have no clue wtf they are doing.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on September 13, 2014, 10:36:45 PM
I think EOTM is to cater for a different crowd than WvW, and thats perfectly fine.

Yeah, the New trade interface is pretty freaking terrible.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on September 14, 2014, 09:52:45 AM
Anything GW2 does well gets moved to the gem shop and/or broken as soon as it's detected.  I'm just riding the wave.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on September 14, 2014, 11:05:43 AM
What do i do for the wvwvw tourney after finishing my five weekly events?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on September 14, 2014, 10:49:55 PM
Wait till next week. :awesome_for_real:

Yeah, its a bit silly to be totally honest.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on September 25, 2014, 12:32:54 PM
Wait till next week. :awesome_for_real:

Yeah, its a bit silly to be totally honest.

5 events is pretty much done in 5 minutes or less.  It is kinda weird.  Eotm is still my main focus, I thrive off the mindless chaos what can I say.  It's good gold too.

So I've been walking around with much more gold than I'm used to, like 50-80.  That's still low relatively speaking, but on a whim I tried the Taimi's dye pack for 125 gems.  Even though I read the description a few times, I couldn't help but be surprised at what a major rip it was.  One banana dye (one of 20 randoms) worth 1.20 silver, for a 16.55 gold exchange for the gems?  This is where GW2 really stinks it up and I'm glad I don't have a serious gambling addiction.  I've stayed away from the mystic forge and have always been wary of when the gem store uses the phrase "chance of..." but they got me this time!

OTOH I finally sprang for the Celestial Dye, since it's account wide now, and boy was that worth the 37g.  What a beautiful dye.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Nevermore on October 21, 2014, 11:41:11 PM
So I just read that players may now only trade gold for gems in increments of 400 gems, in order to "remove confusing rounding points".  To think, once upon a time I liked Anet from the work they did on Guild Wars 1.  How times have changed.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tmon on October 22, 2014, 02:20:17 AM
That blows, but since most things I buy tend to cost 800 gems it won't be a huge deal for me.  Especially since these days I only log in for story updates and Holiday events.  Speaking of which the Holloween event started today.  Haven't tried it yet but I've had fun with it in the past.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on October 22, 2014, 09:21:07 AM
It doesn't look like they actually added anything but a costume and pet though.  Report back if that is incorrect, as I can't even be bothered to log in and check.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on October 22, 2014, 10:26:31 AM
I think I am finally just about done with GW2. The Living Story doesn't interest me, the events are just rehashes of previous years. WvW is where I spend the majority of my time, but that has become pretty much the exact same experience every single time I log in. I imagine if I could find a good WvW guild to run with instead of basically going out on my own each time that might help a little, but I am finally burnt out on it all.

There's just nothing on the horizon that interests me and ANet just seems to be taking steps back with each patch. They are doing so much to try to attract new players that they seem to have forgotten the veterans and how the experience has changed for the worse if you've been around for a long time.

I haven't gone without a MMO since DAoC, but I think I am finally just about done with them. I wanted to like Archeage but I just couldn't get into it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Spiff on October 23, 2014, 02:55:54 AM
I've pretty much quit as well (although can you really quit a game with no sub? that's like a zen koan  :awesome_for_real:) and it really is a story of one ridiculous decision after another. One of the, if not the strongest launch for an MMO I can remember followed by an endless stream of mediocre to bad updates.

As far as attracting new players goes, I'm sure that's what they're hoping, but as a valediction I rolled a new character a few weeks back to check out their newbie NGE and let me tell you: it's unbelievable how much worse they've made it. I didn't make it past level 12 and if they had launched like this I'm not sure I would have back then either.
It's the perfect example of how they refuse to understand that supporting a casual playstyle with a lot of QoL is their unique selling point, instead actively trying to dismantle that concept by adding more and more grind.
Oh and somehow still believing their small PvP arenas are E-sport worthy.

WvW was an interesting experiment in a more casual approach to sieging and the place I got most fun out of the game by far as well, but there's a very long list of things they could've done to improve. Probably the most interesting part of the game and they did next to nothing to develop it past launch; adding/removing some minor buffs and (of course) adding a grind for 'WvW levels' is about it.

Overall I still think it's the best and most fully realized MMO to launch in the past decade, but it's such a shame they couldn't build on it.
That said, I'll probably log back in when they continue the living story, like the good little battered MMO wife I am.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on October 28, 2014, 06:47:08 AM
The rumours that are coming out of Anet are basically that the original team have mostly quit and have been replaced with contract people that are literally thrown at the game and expected to sink or swim. I read somewhere that the team are proud of the game at launch but yeah that vision is basically gone.

And you are right, I have no fucking clue how the new experience is supposed to be better than the old one. I started a new character before my move killed my proper internet and it annoyed the fucking hell out of me.

That said I'll be back once I get my internet in but I wont be playing as much.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Maven on October 28, 2014, 02:43:10 PM
Speaking of WvW, I had a thought: would it be viable in an MMO to have a warfare module that *didn't* require active, real-time participation, but passive, stat-based contributions?

I can't visualize such a system very well, but the idea intrigues me. It would be a side game similar to how Assassin's Creed has its guild development handled via a management system, but hopefully more involved and interesting.

Then again, maybe I'm thinking of Star Wars: Galaxies Conquest system. Yeah. Probably. Carry on.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on October 28, 2014, 04:55:16 PM
on;less you want the amount of PVE to count in WVW. At which point the glorious cry of CAREBEARS will rise and the universe will fall to its knees. If it had knees. Er.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on October 30, 2014, 08:00:11 PM
 Anet asks players what they want GW2 raiding to look like.  (https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/CDI-Guilds-Raiding)

This should be a fun thing.   :oh_i_see:

 The Belinda sword for 600 gems is pretty cool I have to say.  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59bMPgMotjM)



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on October 31, 2014, 04:51:03 PM

I appreciate them announcing to the public they have no clue and no plan.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on November 11, 2014, 07:29:17 PM
New living story is pretty cool. Guides and Info (http://dulfy.net/category/gw2/)

The engineer flamethrower build is too fun.  Tag everything in sight with high damage.  I'm using it in pvp and pve and it's got a lot of versatility & survivability.   Here's the build  (http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fdAQBVyNlCsWrFrrw61I3FUIvZAB5ECgojRLmBA)




Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on November 12, 2014, 12:48:26 AM
Oooh!! *stolen*

I've just get my internet back so I'll be trying the new story as soon as I feel up to it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: KallDrexx on December 21, 2014, 02:58:36 PM
Started playing WoW for the first time ever (a bunch of friends just started and coaxed me into it).

Even though I still feel that in a lot of ways GW1 was better than GW2, I definitely appreciate some things that GW2 did a lot more now and I'm almost tempted to go back.  Just the general act of questing, exploring, and even the ability to play with friends is so much better in GW2. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on December 24, 2014, 12:57:03 PM
Started playing WoW for the first time ever (a bunch of friends just started and coaxed me into it).

Even though I still feel that in a lot of ways GW1 was better than GW2, I definitely appreciate some things that GW2 did a lot more now and I'm almost tempted to go back.  Just the general act of questing, exploring, and even the ability to play with friends is so much better in GW2. 

The things GW2 gets right + no sub fee + megacasual = I'm still playing and having a great time.  I came very close to resubbing to WOW but backed out at the last minute, thanks to my mobile authenticator not working at all.  I was about to send in a new ticket to get my authenticator removed, but then I thought....

--no dodging
--no combos
--no flamethrowers
--have to be in a group for res or heal
--racing people to nodes

AFAIK this stuff still applies. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on January 08, 2015, 09:57:21 PM
A perhaps interesting thing:  The transaction rate for gold to gems in the last few months has been between 58 and 64 for 400 gems.  Last week it was over 70 for one day...the day total makeover kits were on sale.  After the sale, price went back down.  Coincidence?  Did the price go up with the sale?  Was the gold driven up for the sale?  Seemed to be a popular thing in general chat, people were buying several.  I myself bought 5.  I'm pretty good at barking up wrong trees though, maybe it was just coincidence.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on January 09, 2015, 10:29:54 AM
Nah, people love cosmetics.  I don't think it's surprising at all.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on January 14, 2015, 12:35:14 AM
Expansion coming?

Spoilers for the very end of the living story episode released today - but ends with an announcement about the PAX South chat on the 24th, which I'll be at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yUExT2SSA0



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on January 14, 2015, 11:16:04 AM
Also new storyline chapter this week if you're logging in to unlock those.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: tazelbain on January 14, 2015, 12:16:38 PM
Anet asks players what they want GW2 raiding to look like.  (https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/CDI-Guilds-Raiding)

This should be a fun thing.   :oh_i_see:

 The Belinda sword for 600 gems is pretty cool I have to say.  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59bMPgMotjM)


ugh, missed this.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Der Helm on January 20, 2015, 08:10:01 PM
Would anyone happen to remember one of my character names ? I happen to have problems retrieving my password.  :awesome_for_real: Helm.7206 Is the account name.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on January 21, 2015, 05:44:55 AM
Finally got around to doing the penultimate storyline thingie. Kinda crappy playing as Ciath the whole timewere a thief without the "macro these!!" inititive bullshit . Also they messed up the lore by making Faolin a firstborn rather than a secondborn [/Nerd] Probably get around to doing the final storyline this week.

How come you need to know one of your character names Helm?

Also I have to give a shout out to the GMS. I accidently (dont ask) deleted a tequatl's hoard before christmas and they gave it back to me withthe "never again" warning, which is fair enough. Much appreciated, chaps.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Rasix on January 21, 2015, 09:42:59 AM
Would anyone happen to remember one of my character names ? I happen to have problems retrieving my password.  :awesome_for_real: Helm.7206 Is the account name.

I see a "Helm" that was in SLAP.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on January 21, 2015, 11:01:07 AM
Which sorta would have been the first thing i would have thought to try!


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Der Helm on January 24, 2015, 01:00:35 AM
Which sorta would have been the first thing i would have thought to try!
I did and it did not work. But I got it figured out now, thanks guys.   :heart:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on January 24, 2015, 12:41:17 PM
So new expansion announced.  New heavy armor class, the revenant which is basically a heavy armor melee ritualist from the looks of it.  New class specializations, only one mentioned was ranger --> druid.  Alternate advanced system that somehow gets you hang gliders? i didn't really get that.  Guild halls! so hot.  There was more stuff, i didn't really catch all of it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on January 24, 2015, 02:49:57 PM
So new expansion announced.  New heavy armor class, the revenant which is basically a heavy armor melee ritualist from the looks of it.  New class specializations, only one mentioned was ranger --> druid.  Alternate advanced system that somehow gets you hang gliders? i didn't really get that.  Guild halls! so hot.  There was more stuff, i didn't really catch all of it.

I'm really happy the new race isn't Tengu, but I'm unhappy there is no new race :/


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on January 24, 2015, 04:27:06 PM
Quaggan necro or bust.

edit to add actual content: I'm mostly on board with what they said at the reveal. Level cap / gear level staying the same is good, mastery system [alternate advancement] is whatever, at least it's not as obnoxious as gear infusing was in Prophecies. GvG and guild halls sound pretty great.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on January 24, 2015, 05:29:27 PM
I'll try a druid when those exist, I'm like obligated to try every druid in existence in any game I play.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tannhauser on January 24, 2015, 06:47:19 PM
I'm definitely buying this.  I love GW2's combat, exploration and quests.  Don't really care for pvp, wvw and their shitty story content.   I just love to run around their zones and do a bit of crafting. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on January 24, 2015, 07:22:33 PM
Also the game is 10 bucks until tomorrow so its the perfect time to try it out or get a friend.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on January 25, 2015, 01:16:12 PM
The more I think about it the more I like it.  I'm hoping the prof masteries are like FF or SWOTR where there are two or more choices for which way to go.  Like if the Ranger choice is just Druid, that's cool and all but I'm hoping it's Druid or x or y.  That'll really breathe life into the existing characters. 

Might have to join a guild again, unless guild halls are attainable for the little solo guilds (doubtful!)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on January 25, 2015, 01:40:03 PM
I assume eventually there will be choices but we are only getting one per class this expansion.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: raydeen on January 25, 2015, 03:21:47 PM
I took the plunge and bought it while it was on sale. So far I'm really liking it. Lost most of yesterday and last night to it (although a good 3-4 hours of that was just the install). I'm kinda sorry I didn't try it sooner, but that was mostly due to up until now having a machine that would probably have choked on it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on January 26, 2015, 05:03:10 PM
Its a good dame. Will get the expansion most likely...


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Xanthippe on January 27, 2015, 01:37:57 PM
I bought GW2, no expansions. How many have there been?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on January 27, 2015, 01:44:44 PM
None so far.  First one just announced.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: EWSpider on January 30, 2015, 07:45:04 AM
Anet asks players what they want GW2 raiding to look like.  (https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/CDI-Guilds-Raiding)

This should be a fun thing.   :oh_i_see:

 The Belinda sword for 600 gems is pretty cool I have to say.  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59bMPgMotjM)


ugh, missed this.

Part of Today's Sale:

Belinda's Greatsword Skin - 450 gems - 25% OFF


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on January 31, 2015, 03:51:05 PM
So I'm 5/8 through the season 2 living story, and I have to say it's actually kinda... good? The story is still not particularly memorable, but the gameplay has been fresh and varied. Bonus: shoutouts to GW1 stuff, including a particular plot character 'recognizing' me (this may be the same for all characters though, whether they linked a GW1 account or not). I loved the miniboss/boss fights so far, too. I was getting Dark Souls vibes at one point... a laggy, bargain basement Dark Souls, but still.  :awesome_for_real:

What makes me a bit sad, though, is that after banking my PVT 6/6 monk armor for a set of zerker 6/6 flame legion armor and going for a full dps spec instead of my arcane/water build, my elementalist's effectiveness skyrocketed... especially if I just stay in fire attunement and keep lava font + meteor swarm on cooldown. Who needs all that utility when it's faster, better, and easier to just overwhelm enemies with sheer dps! I don't suppose this is going to change in the expansion, either.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on January 31, 2015, 04:00:24 PM
Welcome to GW2 where it's berserker or go home  :heartbreak:

My warrior still has a set of soldiers gear which I use out of habit, but almost every other class uses zerk and I hate it. The experiment with breaking the trinity is flawed and thats even after they tried to nerf zerger reliance.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on January 31, 2015, 04:35:30 PM
Making one set of armor have 3 offensive stats rather than 2/1 or 1/2 offensive/defensive was a mistake.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Signe on March 08, 2015, 07:16:38 PM
Can someone promote so I can do guildy stuff or missions or whatever?  Also, I have a relative who wants to play and I'd like to invite her.  I don't remember much about guilds and missions and all that.  I know that doing guild stuff won't really matter because hardly anyone is playing but I want to do it anyway.  Maybe people will come back for the new stuff.  I mailed Hawkbit in the game but he's not around.  HEY HAWKBIT - YOU THERE?  I sent you 6 gold, 6 silver and 6 copper so you would, you know, do stuff.  I should read up on this again.  An expansion?  Finally?  Really?  :)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Hawkbit on March 09, 2015, 01:30:11 PM
Ya. I can log on tonight after work to update stuff. You can always PM me here on the forums which I'll see a lot faster than in-game. I think I'm GM in at least two other games for BC and I don't play any of them. :/


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lucas on March 09, 2015, 04:48:06 PM
IT HAS FINALLY CLICK'D!!!11!  :ye_gods:
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Ehm, now....For some reasons, in my previous tries, GW2 "defeated" me from the beginning. Too much stuff being thrown at you from the get go, the bizzare "renown" quest givers, events popping up, vistas, POIs, weapons determing your skills; yeah, definitely a different take on the genre, but that unfortunately didn't manage to catch me :(

And I say that with much regret, because Guild Wars 1 is probably the MMOG I've played the most after UO. Although I've read that the New Player Experience wasn't met with particular appreciation, so far it's what actually pushed me beyond the first few hours (but I agree that they could have left Vistas and POIs untouched and visible from the beginning).


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on March 09, 2015, 05:20:26 PM
I got a second account going and am experiencing the new experience for the first time and I cannot see how it's better, but I am also not the target audience for it. I find it weird that certain things are visible and there, but unavailable until you hit a certain level. There was some weird decisions going on there I think. Skill points visible, but unable to interact with? That makes no sense, especially since if someone else kicks off the 'event' you can piggyback it and unlock the point. Having to wait until 22 to go to sPvP is dumb too.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Hawkbit on March 09, 2015, 08:07:33 PM
ZombieSigne is now an officer and can invite her friend. Feel free to tinker with the guild upgrades, if you wish. PM me with any problems.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Signe on March 09, 2015, 08:27:26 PM
IT HAS FINALLY CLICK'D!!!11!  :ye_gods:
------

Ehm, now....For some reasons, in my previous tries, GW2 "defeated" me from the beginning. Too much stuff being thrown at you from the get go, the bizzare "renown" quest givers, events popping up, vistas, POIs, weapons determing your skills; yeah, definitely a different take on the genre, but that unfortunately didn't manage to catch me :(

And I say that with much regret, because Guild Wars 1 is probably the MMOG I've played the most after UO. Although I've read that the New Player Experience wasn't met with particular appreciation, so far it's what actually pushed me beyond the first few hours (but I agree that they could have left Vistas and POIs untouched and visible from the beginning).


I got a face full of game and couldn't concentrate because of how much there was to do right at the start and only got one character to level 20-something and quit early on. too.  Now it's CLICK'D!!!11! for me, too.   :awesome_for_real:  I'm hooked at the moment but who knows how long that will last.  I'm fickle.

Thank you, Hawkbit.  You are, as usual, sweet and reliable.  Not like, you know, some of those others.   :heart:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on March 10, 2015, 10:21:17 AM
ZombieSigne is now an officer and can invite her friend. Feel free to tinker with the guild upgrades, if you wish. PM me with any problems.

For the longest time I just used [BAT] to claim +5 supply when I ran around WvW.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on March 11, 2015, 08:16:33 PM
I Agree by the way.  The new player experience revamp is a load of Arse and drove me from the game a few months back. Now I/m back playing it again but I'm bringing up a new character and its pretty much a load of crap.

Once you get to level 15 or so the fame completly opens up and is a lot of fun. Whoever did that revamp need serious therapy


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on March 12, 2015, 11:28:32 AM
Thankfully I have so many scrolls of instant level 20 that I'll never have to worry about the lowest levels.

Apparently they cut the Fear Itself chapter without removing any other game references to it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tmon on March 12, 2015, 01:15:48 PM
Same here, also have a ton of skill point scrolls to use if I really want to rush a new character.  I don't play a ton now, but still log in from time to time to grab the log in bonus and explore some of the new stories.  I'll probably buy the expansion when it comes out.  Both for the new class stuff and because the game has more than rewarded the money I spent on the original box.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on March 12, 2015, 02:03:45 PM
Thankfully I have so many scrolls of instant level 20 that I'll never have to worry about the lowest levels.

Apparently they cut the Fear Itself chapter without removing any other game references to it.

That and I have so many Tomes of Knowledge that my Revenant will be an insta-80. Only reason I am doing this is because of the new account on the new server. Thankfully the run to 20 when it gets better only takes a couple hours.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on March 13, 2015, 07:35:47 PM
After how many years of people griping about it, Heart of Thorns will got rid of the requirement to have done the WVW maps for Map completion.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/changes-to-world-completion/


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on March 24, 2015, 04:19:18 PM

Expansion and living story both killed my interest. The GW2 artists and level designers are amazing, the idea of a world made up of dynamic events has potential, but they don't seem to have had the slightest clue what to do with it since launch. Lots of story content consumed and discarded, hero NPC's the game wants you to care about but they're mostly annoying drama queens and the game mechanics are terrible and stagnant. Terrible group play, so many dud powers limiting builds, so little evolution and far too long spamming the same small handful of attacks.

I haven't been watching the expansion that closely since the first news release... but not seeing much to change my mind that they still fail at game design.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on April 28, 2015, 04:35:05 PM
Quote
If you’ve been itching to discover the Heart of Maguuma, here’s your chance to claim your spot in the next closed beta for Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns™.

For a limited time, Guild Wars 2 players adventuring in Dry Top and the Silverwastes will have a chance to loot a rare and wonderful Portal to the Heart of Maguuma from the foes found in those maps. Claiming this portal will earn you an invitation to our next closed beta, so get out there, start killing monsters, and get ready to journey deeper into the Heart of Thorns! Happy hunting!

Beta invites as in game drops has to be a first right?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on April 28, 2015, 06:32:35 PM
It might be, I can't think of anyone else doing it.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tmon on April 28, 2015, 08:08:51 PM
Wonder if you can sell it on the AH?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: KallDrexx on April 28, 2015, 08:54:46 PM
Not a bad marketing gimmick


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on April 29, 2015, 06:26:00 PM
Wonder if you can sell it on the AH?

They flag your account for beta access as soon as they drop.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tmon on April 30, 2015, 01:31:26 PM
Well there goes my grind beta invites to wealth plan.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on May 03, 2015, 07:20:44 AM
The drop rate is extremely low, and anyway its just for a few hours closed beta access


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Draegan on June 23, 2015, 02:28:04 PM
I just noticed a week ago or so that there is a major patch today. I have no idea on the context of this. Downloading the game now as I haven't in many years. Download is slow as shit though.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on June 23, 2015, 05:42:00 PM
It's a big patch to update everyones skills and talent trees and junk, in preparation for the expansion.

http://dulfy.net/ has all the info more or less.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Kageru on June 24, 2015, 05:00:01 AM
Looks like they continue to have the same issues with designing skill trees. Lots of skills with extremely marginal and situational effects that you have to take to get to few useful ones you can make a build out of. Weak class roles and PvP balance ensuring most of it is deadly dull.

I might have missed the good bits, the "meh" was too much.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tmon on June 24, 2015, 07:00:24 AM
They also changed the final stage of the personal story from a dungeon run to a soloable instance.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on June 24, 2015, 09:39:18 AM
Their skill system makes me long for the GW1 model.  I know it was harder to 'balance', but it was a lot more fun.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on June 24, 2015, 12:35:07 PM
Logged in after 4 months of not playing, looked at the new skill tree - boring.

Zoned to Lion's arch and watched my framerate drop 40 frames and my fans go into overdrive for an insipid, generic city that has none of the character of the original.

I see nothing that makes me want to buy the expansion or go back to the game.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on June 24, 2015, 04:51:19 PM
I really like the new Lion's Arch - there's tons of personality in it and hints for future events. The Karka hunter event has been a lot of fun and great way to check out what the city looks like.

The skill trees... ehhh. Not a huge fan.

There was a big time power creep in this update and PvP is more of a gunfight, where whoever shoots first and straightest wins. My Engineer was doing ridiculous damage last night to absolutely everyone.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on June 25, 2015, 05:17:52 AM
I like Lions arch. it has a coastal Middle eastern feel to it that's very interesting. Karka hunting was fun as well. I liked the old Lions arch too but this one has a better layot with crafting at one place rather than 3 places, for example.

The skill tree stuff was "wtf?" for me. I know for my older chars I could just basically unlock everything which means skills I was used to using were not behaving in the ways I usually use them (wall of reflection was suddenly ground target-able for example) The new system is certainly simpler but also very generic and samey.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tmon on June 25, 2015, 09:56:46 AM
I didn't put much effort into understanding the last round of changes they made to skills, this new one is even less interesting for me.  Since I just wander around aimlessly with my 80 mace/shield bow warrior I'm not really concerned about the nuances of the changes, from what I can tell nothing major changed for my build. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Lantyssa on June 25, 2015, 11:44:45 AM
Other than helping condition builds, the skill/trait thing looks like it's mostly it's a UI change and prevents stacking multiple lower-tier traits.  Of course I tended to take 4-5 lines so it also restricts me to three.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Draegan on June 25, 2015, 01:08:18 PM
Their skill system makes me long for the GW1 model.  I know it was harder to 'balance', but it was a lot more fun.

My biggest turn off of GW2 was because the class customization system was awful. The traits, which are apparently better now, are still bad overall. You're still stuck with the same 5 skills per weapon.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on June 25, 2015, 01:12:03 PM
I quit playing around christmas, logged in after this patch and i am so completely lost.  I remembered to blow 2k gold on snowflakes before quitting, maybe i'm rich now.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: March on June 25, 2015, 05:39:29 PM
Their skill system makes me long for the GW1 model.  I know it was harder to 'balance', but it was a lot more fun.

My biggest turn off of GW2 was because the class customization system was awful. The traits, which are apparently better now, are still bad overall. You're still stuck with the same 5 skills per weapon.

Yep... I update about once per year, log-in look around at all the minor changes to my favorite classes, and log-off for another year disappointed that there are no new weapons, no fixes to shitty weapon abilities, and just a general lack of character enhancements.  Nothing but minor iterations on the same set of uninspiring abilities tied to the same weapons.  First game where the R sucks but the P and the G are pretty darn good.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on June 25, 2015, 07:42:10 PM
This has been ANet's problem the entire history of GW2.

They take FOREVER to do even the smallest of changes to their mechanics. It's literally taken from the games release to just NOW, to have the longbow actually function as a weapon that can hit moving targets as a baseline.

There is something incredibly screwed up in their dev process/culture or something.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 29, 2015, 12:55:12 PM
So this is going F2P for the base game, today.  As soon as this douche on stage stops talking.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Zetor on August 29, 2015, 02:26:30 PM
Not only f2p, but f2p with less restrictions than almost any other f2p MMO on the market for non-subbers / non-box-buyers. The ultimate goal is to get everyone [both the old players and the new influx of f2p'rs] to buy Heart of Thorns 'cos that's where the money is, I guess?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 29, 2015, 02:34:15 PM
Yup, that and the cash shop i guess.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: luckton on August 29, 2015, 05:20:16 PM
Would like to try this again, but I neglected to deactivate 2-step auth on my old phone before I lost it. Let's see how customer service is these days :D

Edit: And fixed in 10 minutes via email. Nice :D


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: taolurker on August 30, 2015, 10:10:15 AM
I hate my internet lately, and although they insist my speeds are fine, for gaming it seems to be shitty lately. Was downloading this because of PAX f2p announcement, and instead playing games with the bandwidth downloading/installing. The installer package and screen was basically useless info wise. Totally could be the F2P "bottleneck" but I think is combination my crappy connection, and ArenaNet not being ready for F2P avalanche.

First the installer tried connecting over and over.. and would connect and maybe reach 20kb/sec and drop back to 0
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNm6za7UwAA6EXs.jpg)

Then after that it starting giving some really not informative error.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNm-zjbU8AAdaFA.jpg)

Finally got it to start connecting, but somehow bounces to 800kb/sec all the way to 0. It's been 18 hrs. Also btw it has a mark that says "Playable" on launcher but can't actually Play. /shrug
(http://i.imgur.com/ceJTWzp.jpg)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Signe on August 30, 2015, 10:46:58 AM
I started it up and it's playable but it left a big mess on my desktop.  Folders and silly crap all over the place!  Messy, messy game.

It's kind of mean that people who have bought this game will be in the same place as those who are just starting for free.  You only get the benefits if you buy the expansion.  Don't get me wrong, if I decide to play this game it's very likely that I would buy the expansion.  The fact that it doesn't seem to matter if you've bought the game and played for three years or if you just dl'd it today seems wrong.  Unless I've missed something which is very likely.  In that case, nm.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 30, 2015, 11:01:26 AM
I started it up and it's playable but it left a big mess on my desktop.  Folders and silly crap all over the place!  Messy, messy game.

It's kind of mean that people who have bought this game will be in the same place as those who are just starting for free.  You only get the benefits if you buy the expansion.  Don't get me wrong, if I decide to play this game it's very likely that I would buy the expansion.  The fact that it doesn't seem to matter if you've bought the game and played for three years or if you just dl'd it today seems wrong.  Unless I've missed something which is very likely.  In that case, nm.

Well there are a few restrictions to the free accounts, mostly to prevent exploitation by gold sellers or throwaway accounts (in WvWvW).  But the free accounts do have less storage space and less character slots.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 30, 2015, 02:03:32 PM
Actual link for restrictions. (https://help.guildwars2.com/entries/95982157)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Soukyan on August 31, 2015, 03:07:40 PM
I started it up and it's playable but it left a big mess on my desktop.  Folders and silly crap all over the place!  Messy, messy game.

It's kind of mean that people who have bought this game will be in the same place as those who are just starting for free.  You only get the benefits if you buy the expansion.  Don't get me wrong, if I decide to play this game it's very likely that I would buy the expansion.  The fact that it doesn't seem to matter if you've bought the game and played for three years or if you just dl'd it today seems wrong.  Unless I've missed something which is very likely.  In that case, nm.

It's worth buying and playing.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Signe on August 31, 2015, 09:13:27 PM
I probably will play it.  I played for a bit some time ago and I don't remember how far I got, but probably not as far as I would have liked.  I think I got one character into the 40s. 

I miss you in games, Soukyan!  And generally around F13. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Yegolev on September 02, 2015, 07:54:45 AM
I do wish this game was more sticky to me, but somehow I just wasn't feeling it.  I think it was the combat.  Can I assume things are basically the same on that front?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: murdoc on September 02, 2015, 11:29:18 AM
Yup - still basically the same. I actually love the combat as it's just enough abilities that I don't get lost in what to do next, especially in the PvP side of things.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Tmon on September 02, 2015, 01:41:22 PM
I updated and logged in the other day, had a birthday present waiting and some kind of anniversary outfit.  I didn't do anything but look through my inventory and check out the guild tab.  Bat Country is still there, but attendance is a little sparse.  I'll probably get the expansion since I do log in and play a bunch more in the winter and I don't mind tossing a few bucks to them every couple years or so.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Yegolev on September 03, 2015, 09:27:20 AM
Yup - still basically the same. I actually love the combat as it's just enough abilities that I don't get lost in what to do next, especially in the PvP side of things.

I think it's more to do with the animations or general feel.  Not certain.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Ginaz on April 19, 2016, 03:32:10 PM
Big update today.  Features include:

Level 80 boosts (only if you bought the expansion, though)
Retooled Maguuma jungle maps
Improved LFG
Improved dungeons and rewards
Account wide shared backpack for special items that can be used by any character on your account, like the max level boost token
Easier and streamlined leveling

A shit load more info in the link.

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-April-19-2016


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on April 20, 2016, 03:59:22 PM
A lot of good things in the patch.  They still don't make up for turning off SAB though.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Setanta on April 21, 2016, 05:03:40 AM
Given that I played the expansion for 40 minutes and got thoroughly sick of the game and what it had become, is it worth logging in again after this patch?

Bonus points if they returned Lion's Arch to its original character rather than the bland look it had when it was rebuilt.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on April 21, 2016, 09:30:00 AM
It really depends on why you quit.  The only way to enjoy this game is if you have set goals for yourself.  Currently i am working on collecting the ley line armor set, which gives me something to do short and long term every time i log in.  If there is no area of the game you enjoy then you are not really going to have a good time.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: amiable on May 26, 2016, 02:23:09 PM
I haven't played this game for years and I was thinking of jumping back in.  I have a level 80 sword/shield/greatsword warior with a full celestial set and a level 80 engineer with full celestial and the legendary pistol.

any thoughts on which would be better if I wanted to mainly WvW?  Or are they all crap now and I will have to re-gear?


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on May 26, 2016, 05:14:57 PM
I haven't played this game for years and I was thinking of jumping back in.  I have a level 80 sword/shield/greatsword warior with a full celestial set and a level 80 engineer with full celestial and the legendary pistol.

any thoughts on which would be better if I wanted to mainly WvW?  Or are they all crap now and I will have to re-gear?

You should be fine with either of them. I have no idea what's "good" in WvW, but I know it really won't make a huge difference in blob vs blob fights.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on May 26, 2016, 08:11:47 PM
I was talking with someone recently that said that the WvW scene has kinda fallen apart in GW2. I'm sure there will be blobs to follow though.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on May 26, 2016, 09:41:32 PM
The last patch supposedly made things a lot better.  They actually got rid of the new map they added in the expansion and went back to the old one.  Which kinda tells you how badly they fucked things up, but at least they are willing to admit they screwed up and simply scrap the whole thing.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on May 27, 2016, 12:56:22 PM
Oh thank goodness. The old maps had their problems but the newer maps were goddam terrible.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: KallDrexx on May 27, 2016, 05:39:40 PM
What was so bad about them (haven't played in a long time, but keep thinking about re-downloading it)


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on May 27, 2016, 06:15:15 PM
I haven't done wubwub in years but from what i heard from guild mates the map was way bigger and more maze like.  It made it impossible to reach a target in time if it got attacked, it made it very very hard for any armies to even run into each other.  Basically even when full it felt empty, even if you wanted to fight instead of play musical castles you couldn't.  It made all the problems people had with world pvp a whole lot worse.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on May 27, 2016, 07:11:11 PM
What he said. Instead of fortresses and lakes and whatever you had big tunnels that would round in big random curves and you could not stray from the path to cut cross country. It was kind of like edge of the mists.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on May 31, 2016, 01:33:15 AM
Logged in for the first time in over a year yesterday. Didn't have a clue what I was doing. Turns out that when I played before I had completely remapped all the keys to something that felt much better for me, and I have no idea what those keys were. :awesome_for_real:

Silverwastes probably wasn't the best place to be for stumbling around and not having a clue. Still had a decent pop on the map though, which surprised me. Of course they all lost horribly when going up against the big boss. So same old same old.  :grin:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on August 03, 2016, 02:56:44 AM
Just letting people know that "Living story 3" has started. Its the usual "This story chapter is free for 2 weeks if you log in, otherwise pay up" Model.

The story can be summed up as "GW2 does Blizzard" but is fairly enjoyable (aside from non skippale endless talking sequences) and leads you to a smallish map that is built for running around farming and is fairly cool.

Get it while its free.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on August 21, 2016, 01:00:38 PM
Matchups in WvW seem kind of shit.  EOTM and WvW proper alike.  I'm on TC and it's usually a steamroll in EOTM unless we have a talented commander.  Outnumbered quite often.  Did some EB the other night and people were given the comm shit, and then someone said, "stop giving the comm a hard time or TC will have no commanders left."

I've been searching for an ELI5 type thing for how matchups are determined, but I can't find anything.  Anyone know?  I have to be missing something...people say in chat, "OG are bastards" or "BL sucks," but they say this the week after our group was OG or BL.   :uhrr:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on August 21, 2016, 01:08:00 PM
I hear you. I dabble in wvw and its total crap a lot of the time with roamers and the way to victory is "massive blobs leaving everyone elses stuff as paper," and somehow we never have the massive blob.

Also I wish I had never started this BS Legendary weapon path. Its a massive gold sink.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on August 24, 2016, 05:33:48 PM
I hear you. I dabble in wvw and its total crap a lot of the time with roamers and the way to victory is "massive blobs leaving everyone elses stuff as paper," and somehow we never have the massive blob.

Also I wish I had never started this BS Legendary weapon path. Its a massive gold sink.

Yep, still never going to do a legendary.  The Juggernaut tempted me because of the cool FX, but nah. 

I friend suggested I transfer to a different server with a better EOTM matchup history, but I'd like to better understand the matching up process before leaving TC.   TC4Lyfe


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on August 25, 2016, 12:38:01 PM
Of course, I write that and a fucking precursor drops. Not a valuable one, a freaking torch that's "only" worth 140 gold. Of course to actually construct the legendary with it would only take about 850 gold. Winning!  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: MediumHigh on August 25, 2016, 04:08:10 PM
I hear you. I dabble in wvw and its total crap a lot of the time with roamers and the way to victory is "massive blobs leaving everyone elses stuff as paper," and somehow we never have the massive blob.

Also I wish I had never started this BS Legendary weapon path. Its a massive gold sink.

Yep, still never going to do a legendary.  The Juggernaut tempted me because of the cool FX, but nah. 

I friend suggested I transfer to a different server with a better EOTM matchup history, but I'd like to better understand the matching up process before leaving TC.   TC4Lyfe

I never really understand the assertion that your going to have a balance mass pvp system in an mmo. Its just dumb at best, nostalgia at worst.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on August 27, 2016, 07:07:49 PM
I hear you. I dabble in wvw and its total crap a lot of the time with roamers and the way to victory is "massive blobs leaving everyone elses stuff as paper," and somehow we never have the massive blob.

Also I wish I had never started this BS Legendary weapon path. Its a massive gold sink.

Yep, still never going to do a legendary.  The Juggernaut tempted me because of the cool FX, but nah. 

I friend suggested I transfer to a different server with a better EOTM matchup history, but I'd like to better understand the matching up process before leaving TC.   TC4Lyfe

I never really understand the assertion that your going to have a balance mass pvp system in an mmo. Its just dumb at best, nostalgia at worst.

And I've never really understood how, across multiple MMO's, it has been impossible to at least get the numbers evened out even when multiple servers are combined into different battlegroups at regular intervals.  Then again I'm pretty bad at statistics.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 27, 2016, 08:04:43 PM
Because the numbers are only even until someone starts winning. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Fordel on August 29, 2016, 03:13:15 PM
Not one mass PvP game has ever made population and participation balance a priority on day one. They always just assume it will work itself out and they scramble to band-aid their system after everyone shifts to the winning teams (or quits entirely).


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on August 29, 2016, 05:50:04 PM
Because the numbers are only even until someone starts winning. 

But EOTM is a game with "battlegroups" a-la WOW.  Different servers put together.  I can't find a concrete explanation, but these server groupings seem to change when the home bases change.  If all of this is correct, there's some sort of algorithm determining the forming of the battlegroups.  If THAT is true, can't the algorithm be based on who got steamrolled and who did the steamrolling? 



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Threash on August 30, 2016, 04:51:30 PM
Because the numbers are only even until someone starts winning. 

But EOTM is a game with "battlegroups" a-la WOW.  Different servers put together.  I can't find a concrete explanation, but these server groupings seem to change when the home bases change.  If all of this is correct, there's some sort of algorithm determining the forming of the battlegroups.  If THAT is true, can't the algorithm be based on who got steamrolled and who did the steamrolling? 



It is, the steam rolling just begins a new with each match up.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on April 12, 2018, 10:13:33 AM
Hokay. Not worth making a new thread for this but I just want to vent here.

Firstly, ther insistance in non skipable dialogue sections is killing the story aspect of the game for me. Whether or not it's that or the fact that their new big baddie Joko is just such a laughably bad and pathetic character after we have taken down Dragons and Gods, but I can't even bear to finish the latest story patch, and people tell me that its actually pretty good.

Second this game is kidding peak grind. Every fucking new map is a brand new currency to grind up. Fuck that, I'm sick of chasing my own tail to move nowhere. Plus the grind for the new meta gear stats is just insane.

So I've been playing a lot of WvW. I do alright on PVP. Not spectacular by any means, but I get kills in most matches (assuming there are not a bunch of WVW style cheaters in the other side at which point its a pointless massacre where we dont even make it out of our starting area.) In WvW though its "unload into a Mesmer. He out heals you and 2 other guys doing the same thing." Unload into a Warrior. His life bar does not even move. Then he Jumps and *SLASH SLASH SLASH* you are dead. He also mysteriously has a full rank of boons and you have nothing even when playing the same class. If you get rid of those boons they are back inside a second.

The Cheating these days is outrageous. I had a guy last night that was bouncing back and forth over my corpse because his Macro was running out And he had just stood there laughing before he attacked when my Deadeye thief hit him with everything and zero damage. ANd its amazing how manuy people keep dodging every attack despite the fact that you can only have 2 dodges.

So you think "ok I'll do blob fights." Well Blobs fights have turned into "We Charge. The Ground in front of you has turned into lava with all the area of effect condition shit. You now have 20 stacks of every condition and are stunned. You are dead in less than a second Some people might say "use a cleanse skill and learn to play." Yeah use our cleanse skill. First you have to get your stunbreak skill off in the 0.5 seconds you have to live. Assuming you are not immediately stunned again with your stunbreak now on cooldown, most cleanse skills have a casting time, during which you die, and even if you get them off you can celebrate while 20 MORE stacks of conditions are loaded onto you and you still fucking die.

Basically Blob fights are dodgting Nuclear Artillery and Stupid Boon Strip bubbles and the Loser Blobs die in 5 seconds. The tactics now are actually blobs running AWAY from the enemy while dropping Radioactive AOEs for them to run over, or spreading out so that you can cover most of the ground with Syrian Gas attacks over and over while the enemy tries to actually catch your group one at a time. Its fucking stupid.

I mean before the condi game I could take on 2 on one fights with a good chance of winning. Now I wander about knowing I don't stand a chance if I see a player. The lovely SLASH SLASH SLASH YOU ARE DEAD game is so much fun. I actually celebrated the other night when I actually won a fight because the other guy wasn't actually cheating. Anyway the whole combat system needs a serious overhaul.

So, yeah, the story is fucking uninspired and the PVP modes suck ass.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on August 01, 2018, 12:45:39 PM
Ugh in a moment of weakness I bought POF after not playing since HOT. 

My initial research shows that EOTM is dead, which is a shame because that was the kind of free-for-al fuckfestl I went to GW2 for in the first place.  I'm still due for jumping into WvW...did it turn into SERIOUS mode or can I still just follow a commander? 

Considering joining a WvW guild that does voice chat (FIREFIREFIREFIRE....WATERWATERWATERWATERRR...fuck ok spawn), I'm on TC if anyone has recommendations...


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: grabble on August 01, 2018, 07:14:54 PM
i considered reactivating, after about five years not using the account. 
found that there was an authenticator on my account that i didn't remember putting there. 
opened a ticket. 
a week later, they replied saying i had to resubmit the ticket without using a VPN.
that's as far as i got. 


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Crumbs on August 04, 2018, 10:55:14 PM
I'll report my findings so far in case anyone pops in here for info:

I joined a WvW guild and ran with them last night.  People still gather for reset night and participation is high.  The experience was very close to what I remember during the first year of launch, where I spent a lot of time with a guild that ran coordinated groups on voice chat.  My HoT build (power reaper) melted easily if focused, but that's GW2 anyway.  I was able to survive a lot of fights but I had a good commander on voice chat who knew what he was doing, so that helped.

The difference is the reward experience.  It's much slower to level character skills now if one does pure wvw.  In the beginning one could level a character in WvW 1-80, then you had to get the tomes/experiene scrolls, then with HoT you had to get the specialization skills.  The skills basically rained down on you in WvW and EOTM compared to now.  In WvW it's now a trickle, and EOTM gives literally nothing.  No reason to do EOTM anymore that I could see. 

It's a little sad to think about how the game became exactly the opposite of its original vision, even at this point where we knew that for a few years already.  But now it's adopted even more of an epic scale of grind, which i guess from an economic standpoint there's no other choice for an mmo developer to make.



Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on August 13, 2018, 07:34:35 PM
Pretty much. All I can say is that the WvW reward tracks machine gun Experience books at you. So once you have a char at 80 getting another to 80 is pretty much instant, and leveling in normal play is very fast in any case. They have focused the grind at the after 80 crowd. Exotics are very cheap on the trading post so equipping with basic gear is pretty painless, but the Metas demand POT and HOT stats these days, and the grind for ascended gear is immense for that.

Also going glass in WVW zergs is suicide imo. One of the reasons my server does pretty well in zerg fights is that everyone else glasses up because Nuclear damage is where its at, and so they melt like crazy when you get on top of them. A lot of servers are really good at bombing condi blasts everywhere, and its hard to handle the "well the floor just turned to Lava again" situation, especially with choke points. I'm playing Firebrand a lot in zergs, which is the class for breaking condi bombs.


Title: Re: Is this game dead or?
Post by: Sir T on October 04, 2018, 08:53:19 AM
So, Since I'm still playing

Latest living story is a drastic change of pace from the other updates, which I hated to death.

Just to catch you up here is a synopsis:

Joko the stupid (I hated this character) had started portaling ascended troops around TYria as he had zombified a bunch of Inquest. He oso got his hands on the Scarab Plauge, which is this plauge that *OMG* can only kill Humans!!!! So, the Other races dive in to deal with htis YUGE threat with the Humans, rather than say "uh. well, enjoy your death. We will be over here beating up Joko as we don't give a shit about his superweapon."

So we have a mano et mano fight with Joko where he resses himself as he his REALLY IMMORTAL and freezes us, giving us this speach where he says we are the real bad guys and after we are dead EVERYONE WILL LOVE HIM!!!! And then Aurene, our baby dragon, eats him. This gives her a stomach ache which keeps going into the next chapter so he might not be really dead. or something. Shoot me if they bring that fucktard back.

ANYWAY, this new story is a DRASTIC change of pace. It actually has real emotion behind it. We start seeing that killing a god actually has bad consequences far beyond seeing a big explosion, as people and human society are badly affected. And the last mission actually got to me, even though its crap at telling you where to go to escape it, which spoils the moment somewhat.

Action wiseIts back to decent fighting. Rather than standing on one leg and making the ok sign while counting to ten and doing the hopscotch to win the right to actually do some fucking damage for 15 seconds, I was suddenly in a boss fight where I COULD ACTUALLY FIGHT!! My reaction to this was "Lets get it fucking on!! RAAAAGHHHHRRRR!!! " I was.. HAVING FUN!!

This was a new feeling after a bunch of updates that I have pretty much all hated, leading to yet another grind map. Excuse me while I fall asleep with excitement.

I haven't really done much on the new map, but the focus seems to be large fights with lots of special effects and plenty of damage being thrown about, all decent fun. It leads to a new "home Instance" that you can upgrade with various quests. Its not a true home instance however as any upgrades you have purchased for your other home instances do not carry over. Its really a small map, but a good one. There is the usual "Get a new armour skin oh boy!" and a new legendary sceptre for you to grind for. The new mastery gives you a skill that gives you super fast endurance gen for your mount for 5 seconds, cooldown 60 seconds. Actually pretty useful.

Oh and there is a new Raid wing to bang your head off. You go into the Mystic forge and fight over the mountains of crap loot people fling in there.