Is this game dead or?

[Threash]

I stopped playing my thief in spvp, the warrior is far superior at actually killing things it is ridiculous.  Hint: being able to run away doesn't actually win any fights, having the same damage with twice the hps/armor/healing does.  I can be a total pest with the thief, i can actually be effective with the warrior.

[Nightblade]

I stopped playing my thief in spvp, the warrior is far superior at actually killing things it is ridiculous.  Hint: being able to run away doesn't actually win any fights, having the same damage with twice the hps/armor/healing does.  I can be a total pest with the thief, i can actually be effective with the warrior.

Yeah, its been a long while since I played so you're probably right.

[Crumbs]

Is it me or is this league thing fishy?  Like, even beyond the FTP "it's a business" model.  They're offering discounts on server transfers...in order to give players a chance to navigate game mechanics (once again, this time in the form of winning wvw servers)? 

It's like they gave up on matchups entirely and made wvw a cash shop "item."

[Fordel]

It's an excuse to not have to put in any game balance changes for another 7 weeks. I'm sure the fat gem cash on all the transfers is also helping that motivation.

[Merusk]

So I blew $40 on diamonds and unlocked my bags and bought the permanent salvaging device. That thing is the best expenditure of $15 in the game just because I no longer have to 1) stuff my bags with kits 2) stop off every few hours to buy new kits.  If I could sell/ salvage Karma or quest gear I'd be set for the life of my character.

[Threash]

I was very happy with my infinite pick and axe, refilling those when you are out in the world is a pain.

[Rasix]

Finished my Ascended Staff.  And now they're counting blocks/evades toward AE targets.  THANKS, DEVS.  Might have to work a new spec to get around that, and that may require dropping dhuumfire.

So, now I'm relatively poor again. Although, my bankroll just moved down 100g over the entire process of going from 400-500 and crafting the staff.  Probably took about 150g overall.

Conditionmancer is pretty good for small/medium sized group and for wall defense at keeps/towers/garrisons, but kind of crap in open field zergs.  Time to keep the bankroll small and start building a well-o-mancer/DS set.  And now with WvW season starting, blobs are going to be the way of things.

[Fordel]

There's only going to be one matchup we really have to worry about, the SoR/BG/JQ one. Everything else waha will carry us, unless our SEA dies of boredom.


I've never had more then like 30 gold at once, you dirty PvE'er.

[Rasix]

My staff has parts that jiggle.    Hey, and now I am under 30g.  

Yah, finally seeing TC in action was a bit disappointing.   They seemed to fight well, but just did a ton of really bone headed tactical moves.  Well, and they can't seem to field quite as large of a blob as BG. Past 10-11pm the scores would just go pear shaped for our opposing servers.  BG is good, though, and they have many, many people.  <not sure if green> Plus they ddos'd our teamspeak. </>

waha is the main SEA commander?  Seems like BG and SoR bitch about our SEA a lot.  I'm still really new the WvW, as I'm very afraid at this point to even man siege.  

[Fordel]

Yea, Waha is our major SEA commander. He's arguably the most infamous command pin in the entire game probably. Other servers use waha's name like a bogey man. "Eat your vegetables or waha will get you!" Him and his force are why JQ have been tier 1 for so long basically. It's a top tier, mobile, organized army in a time zone where most servers have zero to shit for coverage. Also makes our server excitingly multilingual!

If he and his forces ever decide they get tired of the game and stop playing or move servers or whatever, expect us to drop like 4 tiers over night  .


TC has a fair weather problem. They spend like 5 out of 6 match ups just rolling servers they completely out class, get really complacent and have a lot of random glassy people attach onto the karma trains. Then they get sent up to us for a week, or one of the big 3 goes down and they get farmed instead of doing the farming and sorta filter off till their next steamroll. I remember the first week the RNG sent us to the TC/FA match up and just how god damn squishy they all were.


BG is our big competition usually, they have just as much organization and coverage as we do, except for the SEA slot. They used to keep pace by their Oceanic coverage, using that window to paper all our keeps so our SEA had to rebuild instead of gain a lead. We recently poached their big oceanic guild [MERC], or most of it, notably their commanders, and this has thrown a big monkey wrench in BG's general direction.


SoR is our other competition, and are full of trolls and chest beaters and generally detestable people.  They are also in love/hate relationship with BG and will actively ruin each others chance of winning just to spite the other and give us (jq) the win. They are also the server most capable at shoving every single person on a map onto ONE point, in a true map zerg. If SoR and BG ever actually hatefuck it out and get married, we are basically boned too. This is unlikely though.

[Sjofn]

My favorite thing about SoR and BG is how quick they are to accuse the other of teaming up with JQ. 

[Zetor]

I haven't www'd in forever, but basically TC has been a zergfest server of undergeared / underlevelled people since day 1, and it'll remain as such until the end of time. Most TCers don't care to get to the super-fucking-serious-business of tier1... though I'll say that completely dominating tier2 due to sheer numbers and some good zerg commanders on voice comm isn't that fun either (it's why I stopped playing wvw, I hate lopsided fights).

There may be some smaller military-style srs bsns wvw guilds on TC who actually use proper builds/gear, but they probably play in the borderlands or somesuch.

[Fordel]

Almost all organized guilds play in the BL's, since you can't get a guild queued on EB for shit for the most part.

[Setanta]

Yak's Bend and Oceanic timeslot do not WvW a good time :(

Plus a lot of our good players transferred making it limited fun. I understand the league thing but people getting transfers means this will always be lopsided. I now only go to BGs on alts to get my zone completion.

[Fordel]

Clearly you should transfer up! 

[murdoc]

GoM is the lowest of the low for WvW - I've been spending a lot more time WvW lately and it's basically the exact same handful of names every night. I keep debating transfering to a new server that has a much more active WvW population, but bottom tier isn't so bad for roaming and smaller group vs. group combat which is what I prefer anyways.

[Threash]

They added a greatsword that shits bats, my life is now complete.

[murdoc]

How is throwing siege on a defeated enemy in WvW considered insulting? 

[Rasix]

That is a fantastic idea.  

You lost.  Have a catapult.  (I don't think I'd build it)

[Venkman]

Jeezus I'm really enjoying this again. And of course so much so I totally know why I had to quit last time. This game's an OCDs dream 

Made 51 levels in like twenty hours, forgetting another thing I've loved: flat leveling curves all the way up. I don't even notice the dings anymore, haven't slotted any new skills in 20 levels and still rotate through four different configs on my Mesmer (generally Staff and Scepter/Torch but sometimes GS and Pistol/Torch or Sword/Focus). I don't remember my Ele having anywhere near this breadth of options to explore, survive, fight single things, fight groups of things, fight groups of things when suddenly other things show up, including Veterans, etc. But then, I stopped playing him a year ago and haven't reupped him yet.

[Furiously]

Engels was teasing me a few nights ago that I only played to play the market which made me log in to sell the 24 stacks of flawless snowflakes I had bought for 80 copper each. I was pretty happy to see they were selling for 8 silver 70 copper each now. Seasonal items are nice.

[Fordel]

Ele's are the squishiest class in game by default, a real razor's edge class. If you do it right, it goes real good and you destroy things. If you slip up even once, you're a corpse.

[EWSpider]

Ele's are the squishiest class in game by default, a real razor's edge class. If you do it right, it goes real good and you destroy things. If you slip up even once, you're a corpse.

That's not really true.  Sure, if you go full zerker with an Ele they're going to be squishy, but so is any other class.  If you are spec'd and geared well an Ele can tank just as well as any other class.

[Sjofn]

Honestly, my elementalist felt surprisingly sturdy leveling up.

[Threash]

Engels was teasing me a few nights ago that I only played to play the market which made me log in to sell the 24 stacks of flawless snowflakes I had bought for 80 copper each. I was pretty happy to see they were selling for 8 silver 70 copper each now. Seasonal items are nice.

That's like a precursor right there.  I've been buying lvl 400 leather at 1.5s each, hoping it goes to 15 or so the first day of ascended armor crafting.

[Crumbs]

How is throwing siege on a defeated enemy in WvW considered insulting? 

In SWG, throwing a house down on a corpse kept them from rezzing.  /rosecoloredglasses

Also ITT:  JQ complaining about TC?  Next time you're in WvW, ask how many people xferred from TC.  It's not our fault the devs manipulate matchups and various other game mechanics to generate cash.  TC either wins by a zillion points or loses by a zillion points, there is no in between and it's boring as hell.

[Ingmar]

Commenting != complaining.

[Sjofn]

Yeah, I think the one closest to "complaining" about TC is ... someone from TC.

[Crumbs]

I remember the first week the RNG sent us to the TC/FA match up and just how god damn squishy they all were

Yah, finally seeing TC in action was a bit disappointing.   They seemed to fight well, but just did a ton of really bone headed tactical moves.

TC has a fair weather problem.

TC has been a zergfest server of undergeared / underlevelled people since day 1, and it'll remain as such until the end of time.

I mean, you tell me.  It's just funny to read people from T1 criticize TC.  You guys have better coverage, which I suppose is a tactical advantage.  If we go up against JQ and BG or SOR, we get the shit kicked out of us.  If we go up against anyone else, we kick the shit out of them.  Is the bell curve of skill really represented here?  No, TC just has better coverage than non-T1 servers and not as much coverage as T1.  Problem solved.  There are simply more of you, because of those early months of free server transfers. 

I can tell you that there are many dedicated, skilled WvWers who have stayed on TC because we have a strong community.   Others, literally some of the best pvpers I've ever seen, left because they wanted to win or at least be in more competitive matchups.  This is why I get peeved from the criticism. 

Statistically, skill ratios should be the same.  Are the quoted criticisms correct?  Absolutely.  Could they apply to T1 servers?  You bet.  Undergeared/underleveled players, boneheaded tactical decisions, fair weather playes and zergfests are absorbed and less noticeable when you have better coverage.  And if there is a higher ratio of skilled players in T1, it's because they transferred there out of frustration.

Blame Anet.  The coverage (sorry, skill) issue could easily be addressed by grouping servers together in WvW battlegroups the way WoW ended up doing, ensuring a more uniform coverage in every matchup.  Instead they're doing Leagues which is just another cash shop item.  The proof of this is that the cash shop offered discounts on server transfers when Leagues started.

[Rasix]

Errr, sorry?  It turns out Fordel's (and other's) description of TC at Tier 1a is just very accurate.  THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE DISPARAGING.  It's unfortunate and you have my condolences. 

As for the holiday thing: haha, one-shot capable bosses (with actual mechanics) v. zerg. This maze is great for leveling, it can just kind of suck a times when you're on an overflow and 2 bosses spawn in the same area.    The loot is terrible, but it has its uses for quick leveling outside of the normal event chains.  I'm kind of burnt out on map completion leveling.

edit: I just picked JQ to play with SLAP.  Honest.   

[Nevermore]

WvW is serious business.

[Sjofn]

This may be nitpicky, but none of the stuff said by JQ people is "complaining." Call it insulting if you'd like, although I doubt that was the intent either. Criticism is a fine word for it, and had you used it in the first place, I wouldn't have thought anything of it. Also, I don't think the people of TC are bad people (I DO think the people of SoR are!  ), and I do find their position sort of weird, for the exact reason you stated. They faceroll the other T2 and below servers easily, but cannot handle going against the big three (because we are enormous). That's got to be weird.


I do think the leagues are stupid. There are going to be a lot of boring stretches in it.

[Rasix]

It doesn't make me want to play more or take it more seriously.  Although, I assume I'll be doing more of both.

People will probably be a lot crankier about losing.

[Nevermore]

Everyone trying to farm the achievements should be hilarious.

[Fordel]

Depending on how Anet splits the match ups, the league will be karma train time for half of it at least. It's going to do a lot more harm then good in the long term.


I stand by my statements about TC, the dirty Yak lovers!