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Setanta
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Reply #490 on: September 27, 2013, 02:57:52 PM

Mesmers are cool at 60. Having illusions on dodge roll talented makes them come alive as does the GS boosts. Levelling should be greatsword only. That kind of limits them in levelling as the other weapon set is utility. Having said that, I levelled my second one with sword/pistol but was paper thin and went back to GS.

This is how my experience went with classes (x2)

Fun/ease of play from zero:
Warrior (any weapon set bar mace/shield but big props to GS & Axe/Mace)
Ranger (Greatsword Sword/Torch Sword/Warhorn Longbow Shortbow) - get a tanky pet or you will cry when it goes splat. Get ready for dungeon tears if you try to take one in)
Guardian (Greatsword/Hammer but mace/shield & Sword/Focus or Sword/Torch is fun too)

"Meh" until 60, comes alive at 80:
Necromancer (pets or conditionmancer kiter)
Mesmer (GS scepter/focus) - 70 is really the sweetshot but I learnt to dodge roll on my first mes.

Not fun until 60 plus lack of survivability until you "get it":
Thief (Sword/Pistol and either P/P or shortbow) - you are a glass cannon, hated my first one as I made the mistake of levelling D/D

Oddball, horrible levelling, comes alive at 70-75
Elementalist (Dagger/Dagger or Scepter/Dagger) - avoid staff, prepare to do a lot to equal 2 button presses on Warrior/Ranger/Guardian

Screwball, not fun until 60+ if you are a masochist
Engineer (Flamethrower or kit swapper) - the red haired step child. Don't forget that if you have a kit equipped then you can swap to your primary weapons (rifle or pistol/shield). Flamethrower is a 4 button wonder and you need elixirs to boost them plus the ability to not hurl your monitor out the window when you see a #1 skill missmissmissmissmissmiss when you circle strafe or otherwise see the mob in your cone. I swear FT has it's own RNG. Bombs are fun but be brepared to buy a new keyboard and grenades are fun but the lack of autocast on #1 requires another spare keyboard. As with the elementalist, you do a lot to match what other classes do with a few keypresses and auto-attack. Not the king of Aoe, that's a necromancer with staff or a thief with a bow.

That's just my take on it from my experience, take it for what it's worth.

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Reply #491 on: September 27, 2013, 03:48:38 PM

I went sword/pistol + GS for leveling on my mesmer and honestly I spent a lot more time being sword/pistol than GS. I didn't feel particularly squishy.

But yeah, even at 20, mesmers are still kinda feh. I would probably spent it on the mesmer if I wanted to level one at ALL, because the guardian is pretty fun early on and hitting 20 would be pretty trivial as one of those. ;)

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Reply #492 on: September 27, 2013, 05:45:05 PM

You can level cooking to 400 for a gold and a half, it is still 7 free levels and highly recommended along with that scroll for a mesmer.

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Reply #493 on: September 27, 2013, 05:53:16 PM

You can level cooking to 400 for a gold and a half, it is still 7 free levels and highly recommended along with that scroll for a mesmer.

Did they change this? It used to be 10 levels per crafting 0- 400 on all types.

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Reply #494 on: September 27, 2013, 05:59:04 PM

You can level cooking to 400 for a gold and a half, it is still 7 free levels and highly recommended along with that scroll for a mesmer.

Did they change this? It used to be 10 levels per crafting 0- 400 on all types.

Yup, now it's 10 levels for 0-500 but only three skills so far go to 500.

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Reply #495 on: September 27, 2013, 11:22:14 PM

This game lost me once I'd reached level cap with one character.

The events were uninteresting. Zerging is terrible gameplay and forcing me to turn visual settings way down to get playable framerates with 100s of players on-screen makes the gorgeous game engine pointless.

Map completion % being character-specific was also a turn-off. Very alt-unfriendly.

Never did any of the dungeons. Not a one. Didn't read or hear anything about them or the community that made me thing they'd be fun.

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Reply #496 on: September 28, 2013, 07:30:59 AM

Patched and played for like two hours last night, spend almost the whole time just relearning how to play a level 10 Mesmer, plowing through all the UI changes, and trying to figure out what I needed to keep in my inventory vs bank vs what I could toss. Got a bunch of chests including some PvP stuff I'll never use but dunno what to do with.

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Reply #497 on: September 30, 2013, 12:48:32 PM

For mesmer, I have to go GS/Staff if I'm doing events, otherwise it's GS/Scepter+Focus.  The swiftness from focus feels like a necessity, because you don't get a movement speed signet. You are the slowest thing on the planet and it's incredibly frustrating.  

With half of your skills dedicated to "making players look like idiots", you have a lot of stuff that's just dumb in PVE.  So, I mainly just focus on crap that produces clones for me to shatter.  And greatsword is nifty, because every ability does damage.

I'm enjoying my fully geared necro in WVW. I can actually kill people 1v1, and I don't feel helpless outside the zerg (my staff ele fills tha role nicely  awesome, for real).  Epidemic is the best thing ever.  Rogues are still horseshit. I laughed a lot when one jumped me yesterday and promptly got slapped with corrupted boon and a dhuumfire proc.  Die die die die die die, dirty rogue.
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Reply #498 on: September 30, 2013, 01:17:30 PM

I'm no expert but from what I understand it's generally better to focus on either Power or Condition.  Mesmer Greatsword is a Power weapon while the Scepter is a Condition weapon.  Probably doesn't matter at lower levels but once you hit 40 and have the clone on dodge trait, try going GS/Sword+Focus.  Even though Sword main hand is a melee weapon, the 2 skill makes you evade every attack while it channels.  With practice being in melee range of most mobs isn't as dangerous as you'd think.

For your utility skills, crap that produces clones is usually fine but don't overlook Arcane Thievery and/or Null Field for when you get to mobs that start throwing conditions on you.

I still hate my Necro in WvW but that's because I refuse to switch over to a condition build (and can't afford all new gear to change over anyway).  Since the power build has crap range, little mobility and next to no defense, there's not much point in playing that character anymore.  Between the Necro, Thief and Mesmer, I have easily the most success playing the Shatter Mesmer with Staff/Sword+Torch* in WvW but I'm sure that has a lot to do with playstyle.

*Yes, Staff and Torch are generally Condition weapons which goes against the conventional wisdom, but I use both for the utility and rely on the sword and shatters for damage.  I'd switch the torch for a pistol except there's a trait that adds a condition removal to activating torch skills, plus having an extra stealth never hurts.  The torch phantasm is so bad though.  SO BAD.

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Reply #499 on: September 30, 2013, 03:36:34 PM

Sword/pistol for mesmer is really fun in PvE, as I mentioned earlier. I just sucked up being slow most of the time (I would run with that "get a random boon" signet while leveling because at least I had a CHANCE of not being super stupidly slow). I forget what DWing swords gets you, that might be fun, but I really love the pistol phantasm, so I didn't use it much. :P

WvW I use GS mainly, because I fucking hate scepter but I hate being in melee range as a mesmer even more, and not having focus for swiftness makes me depressed. If I know for sure I'm going to be keeping up with a zerg that's pooping out a lot of swiftness buffs, I'll consider strapping on a staff, as it's a pretty good defensive weapon.

Won't lie, though, I basically only play a mesmer in WvW when we really, really, really, really, really, REALLY need a portal/time warp bitch.

As for necro, I just use a staff and whatever armor I happen to be wearing (I honestly forget what the stats are on the shit she's wearing, it's like ... condi/power/vit mostly, maybe? It's a mess.) and still feel pretty good. I carry axe/dagger for basically no good reason (axe is more exciting during PvDoor). In theory I am trundling towards something vaguly like this but we'll see. I'm level 61 now!  why so serious?

Still like the elementalist best for zerging around in WvW. I can't (usually) kill thieves (fuck thieves) but I've gotten a lot better at running away from them so they get bored and go away.  Ohhhhh, I see.
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Reply #500 on: September 30, 2013, 03:42:49 PM

How effective is stacking +healing on a support staff ele?  My necro seems OK at killing people, so my ele I'd like to take in more of a wvw support role.   Just bring fields, boons, condition removal and healing yet no actual damage.


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Reply #501 on: September 30, 2013, 03:52:35 PM

I forget what DWing swords gets you, that might be fun, but I really love the pistol phantasm, so I didn't use it much. :P

Objectively speaking, the offhand sword is probably better for PvE than the offhand pistol if you aren't using the focus for speed.  Offhand sword has a block that can spit out a clone on 4 and the swordsman phantasm on 5.  I seem to remember using GS/Sword+Sword for PvE back when I started my Mesmer, but I ended up leveling that character almost entirely in WvW.  As for speed, the reason I can't afford new gear for my Necro is because I finished off a Travelers set of runes for the +25% speed.  I already had 2 from somewhere that I didn't remember having so I just went ahead and bought 4 more.  That's how much I hated moving so slowly on my Mesmer.

As for healing gear, I have no idea.  I haven't tried using any.  I'd look around for a recent water attunement build and go from there.

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Reply #502 on: October 01, 2013, 03:57:58 AM

How effective is stacking +healing on a support staff ele?  My necro seems OK at killing people, so my ele I'd like to take in more of a wvw support role.   Just bring fields, boons, condition removal and healing yet no actual damage.

I dunno! I'm power/vit/toughness gear-wise. I support pretty well with just that, because just the act of laying down water fields is a big help. I dunno how the math works out for people that stack healing.

I've considered buying my mesmer the traveller's runes, but haven't pulled the trigger yet, mostly because I only run with the zerg in WvW and I don't use him for anything else. Also block skills make me annoyed, so that's probably the reason I dumped dual wielding swords.

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Reply #503 on: October 01, 2013, 06:01:22 AM

Sooo.. I finally bought this last night because it was on sale enough to break my threshold finally.  After dealing with NCSoft's terrible account management (I have a Lineage II and GuildWars acct I haven't used in 6 years and had to go through a really arcane recovery process)  I was able to get in and made a warrior.

Now I find myself questioning, is this the best choice?  How are warriors to play? Seems strong now is it a terrible class at the end?  Setana's post up above seems to indicate they're "OK" but is that throughout?

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Reply #504 on: October 01, 2013, 06:08:18 AM

Warriors are basically playing a whole different game were everything is about three notches easier than for every other class.  Everyone of their weapons falls between "great" and "holy fucking shit". They have the best DPS while having high hps armor self healing good crowd control and crowd control avoidance.  They also get buffed every patch.  So yeah, good choice.

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Reply #505 on: October 01, 2013, 06:18:37 AM

Warriors are solid throughout and have a few viable specs.

Right now I am testing a sword n board and hammer spec with %98 immobilize reduction and it's pretty swell.

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Reply #506 on: October 01, 2013, 06:51:48 AM

Well awesome. If my usual jinx applies expect them to be nerfed heavily sometime in the next 2-3 months.

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Reply #507 on: October 01, 2013, 09:13:37 AM

You bastard!   awesome, for real
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Reply #508 on: October 01, 2013, 09:14:42 AM


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Reply #509 on: October 01, 2013, 01:30:05 PM

Well awesome. If my usual jinx applies expect them to be nerfed heavily sometime in the next 2-3 months.

They could probably use one, so thanks!  why so serious?

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Reply #510 on: October 01, 2013, 01:40:51 PM

Started working toward 500 artificing.. got to 452.  I don't think I have the money to see this through.  

Other than champ trains, is there a reliable way to make money solo?

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Reply #511 on: October 01, 2013, 01:58:20 PM

Well awesome. If my usual jinx applies expect them to be nerfed heavily sometime in the next 2-3 months.

They could probably use one, so thanks!  why so serious?
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Reply #512 on: October 01, 2013, 03:12:45 PM

Started working toward 500 artificing.. got to 452.  I don't think I have the money to see this through.  

Other than champ trains, is there a reliable way to make money solo?

I do it with chest events, Scarlet invasion (still happens), and selling mats.

When crafting, do you do buy orders or do you buy instantly?  Took me awhile but finally discovered that buy orders are awesome.
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Reply #513 on: October 01, 2013, 03:41:51 PM

Warriors are in a sweet spot right now. For PvE Axe/Mace and Greatsword is an awesome combo at 30/0/0/10/30. Fast hands means weapons swapping to maintain stacks of might and the healing signet is just fantastic. Last night's fractal run had me pulling 21K 100blades (or more). Switching to Longbow and Axe/Mace on the Grawl fractal dropped the DPS a bit but the numbers were still hitting hard. In WvW roaming or zerging, just strap on a mace/shield and it doesn't matter what you have, people avoid you. I've taken Rifle/Greatsword into WvW and had a ball as well. I'm actually running my guardian through Orr etc at the moment and wondering why I feel paper thin - I'm not, guardians are still tough as all hell, but the longer a mob is alive, the more damage I take. With the guardian I take on 4-5 mobs and walk away having burnt all my cool downs, the warrior just wades in and smashes and moves on.

The warrior just burns things down fast in a way that most other classes can only dream of. When I compare the warrior to what my ranger is I just cry. Having said that, my necro is at a sweet spot right now too as either condition or berserker nuke spec. I've found that kiting some champs is doable in condition spec, multiple mobs (7-10 ata time) just melt while I giggle like a school girl. They really need to fix condition stacking on bosses though, but a respec to berserker fixes that and the nukes that you can lay down are fun (admittedly with melee weapons making you a glass cannon).

I'm about to read the notes and see if my warrior needs a respec - I have a feeling that empowered allies should have been moved out of Tier 1 traits to at least Tier 2 and am wondering if Anet has done it or not. I also wouldn't mind seeing if shouts have been fixed.

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Reply #514 on: October 02, 2013, 07:04:03 PM


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Reply #515 on: October 02, 2013, 08:38:11 PM


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Reply #516 on: October 03, 2013, 02:44:39 AM

That's actually pretty horrible.
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Reply #517 on: October 03, 2013, 04:28:48 PM


I have no idea, i can't find it in the light armor pictures either.  Might be town clothes.  Also it is just one mesmer.

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Reply #518 on: October 03, 2013, 07:34:26 PM

I keep forgetting I can name my clones. Or is it Phantasms? Whichever, I love the class a lot. I should dust off the Ele for dungeon runs through. At first I didn't think I'd remember how to play, but man muscle memory runs deep smiley
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Reply #519 on: October 04, 2013, 12:53:09 AM

That's the guild wars 1 heritage armor hall of monuments reward.
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Reply #520 on: October 11, 2013, 12:41:43 AM

This game puts me in such shitty moods, with all the stupid horse shit it has in terms of mechanics and balance.

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Reply #521 on: October 11, 2013, 07:41:29 AM

I don't get obstructed too often, but I am also melee distance for the most part so I would assume that changes it a little.

Got my Thief to 80 last night, and it's such a bullshit class. I am terrible on him, but if I don't burst you down - I can almost always get away and try again if I want. Kind of silly, the risk vs. reward is so out of balance. It was one of the first times I have not only won a 2 vs. 1 against me, but won handily.

Again - I am also terrible, so that says a lot.

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Reply #522 on: October 11, 2013, 08:22:34 AM

You can be wearing full Toughness armor and have over 18k health and still get burst down in less than two seconds by a Thief plus they have near infinite in-combat stealthing so yeah, bullshit class.  Between them and Warriors, class 'balance' is the most out of whack I've seen in an MMO since the days that Infiltrators could one-hit kill you and not unstealth in DAoC.

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Reply #523 on: October 11, 2013, 09:21:56 AM

Hey, guess what my other level 80 is?  DRILLING AND MANLINESS

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Reply #524 on: October 11, 2013, 09:24:43 AM

Thief is why I stopped bothering with this game, and I played one.

In sPVP each encounter was ridiculous. With certain builds you almost never die. Stealth, teleports, blinds; you have so many tools to easily get away or lock down your opponent. I played some Sword / Dagger build I found online and just wrecked everyone to point of being bored to death. I got to Dolyak rank in sPVP and then just put the game away.
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