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Reply #840 on: February 23, 2012, 06:18:52 PM

From what I understand, sales of DLC are a lot higher in the first 2 months of a game's release.  6 months down the line is a long time in the game industry.  For a game released in March like ME3, six months later people are already focused on the big Fall and Holiday releases.

I rather like to think that's because most DLC is rather poor. (Not that I want DLC to be poor, but that better quality DLC would garner better sales for longer after the game's been shipped.)

I could have lived without any of ME2's DLC. I don't think it was integrated with the game very well (companions misisons after the game's over) or just silly (fashion packs.  swamp poop)



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Reply #841 on: February 23, 2012, 06:22:49 PM

It's not really inaccurate though. We are a humble people.

Unless it's about Hockey, then we'll fuck you up.

MANSHEP is probably so grumpy because the Leafs still haven't won the Stanley Cup since <whenever the hell they last won it>.


Where is Manshep from? Unless he's actually from Toronto, there's better odds on him hating the Leafs with all his heart.

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Reply #842 on: February 23, 2012, 06:43:43 PM

Manshep is from Edmonton.
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Reply #843 on: February 23, 2012, 06:50:41 PM

Why you gotta overthink my "haw haw Leafs" joke?

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Reply #844 on: February 23, 2012, 07:47:18 PM

From what I understand, sales of DLC are a lot higher in the first 2 months of a game's release.  6 months down the line is a long time in the game industry.  For a game released in March like ME3, six months later people are already focused on the big Fall and Holiday releases.

Rockstar mentioned regretting putting out GTA4 DLC so late after the game came out. What they delivered is what Paelos is saying he wants: long-term, post-release content. When Rockstar delivered that, they found that most people had already moved on past GTA4 and weren't interested in more. More recent Rockstar games have seen DLC much closer to the release date, while people are still interested in playing the game.

From Velorath, I'd like to see those numbers. It would help us all better understand the DLC debate. As for Rokal's point, the GTA4 DLC happened almost 10 months after release of the original game. I think we can all agree that's too long, plus it happened AFTER Christmas (which is the real reason it sunk them). They did delay too long, but I think there's a sweet spot. Maybe it's 3 months after release, and I'm fine with that.

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Reply #845 on: February 23, 2012, 08:30:01 PM

Rockstar mentioned regretting putting out GTA4 DLC so late after the game came out. What they delivered is what Paelos is saying he wants: long-term, post-release content. When Rockstar delivered that, they found that most people had already moved on past GTA4 and weren't interested in more. More recent Rockstar games have seen DLC much closer to the release date, while people are still interested in playing the game.

It's one of the issues with console gamers being trained to return their games after they finish them. So a dev studio then has to be more forthright about what DLC is coming and when to encourage them to keep the game, which in turn sees them hit with claims for "being greedy" (although a mix of free and paid DLC would help overcome that).

I don't mind day one DLC, provided it comes free if you buy the box (and feels worth it). Batman: Arkham City's Catwoman had a very small part to play in the overall game, but I got it when I bought the game new.

This DLC, well, I'm probably going to get ME3. I like to get the full experience, so I'll probably buy it. But it is highly unlikely that I'll buy ME3 at launch, which means buying it at a discount / second hand and then paying to unlock the Jamothean. This process is independent of what EA chooses to do with their DLC. So on people like me, the DLC process works as intended.


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Reply #846 on: February 23, 2012, 08:35:05 PM

I wish I had numbers, but sales figures for any digital distribution products are pretty much impossible to find.  The two month figure is something that's been said anecdotally in a few places, and it makes a good amount of sense.   There are probably exceptions I'm sure.  Guitar Hero and Rock Band dlc sales probably fluctuated based on artist, and CoD dlc is probably viable longer after release since each game has strong sales for months after release.

Edit: I see that Gamasutra does monthly analysis of XBL sales (on a limited amount of titles, not everything).  When I get home and have something better than my phone to use, maybe I'll poke around a bit and see if I can find anything useful.
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Reply #847 on: February 23, 2012, 08:54:19 PM

The acceptable way to release DLC is the way that God intended: Nine months later as a $30 expansion pack with lots of stuff crammed in it and an actual proper development cycle.  This entire 'oh we had it done weeks before the game came out but it's not really part of the game lol' thing is bullshit.  When it's bullshit about something stupid and useless like the horse armor or alternate costumes, hey sure, whatever, don't care.  But if it's bullshit about actual important pieces of the story in the third part of a trilogy, someone needs a boot in their ass.

Not that it matters overmuch to me; thanks to EA being chock full of retards it's going to be months before I can buy it on Steam.  By the time I'm buying the game, it'll probably be going for half price.
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Reply #848 on: February 24, 2012, 12:18:15 AM

Why you gotta overthink my "haw haw Leafs" joke?


Look, some of our sports teams are horrible disappointing failures and don't win championships all the time.   cry

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Reply #849 on: February 24, 2012, 11:39:39 AM

I wouldn't count on it EVER being on Steam, personally.

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Reply #850 on: February 24, 2012, 11:49:50 AM

The acceptable way to release DLC is the way that God intended: Nine months later as a $30 expansion pack with lots of stuff crammed in it and an actual proper development cycle.  This entire 'oh we had it done weeks before the game came out but it's not really part of the game lol' thing is bullshit.  When it's bullshit about something stupid and useless like the horse armor or alternate costumes, hey sure, whatever, don't care.  But if it's bullshit about actual important pieces of the story in the third part of a trilogy, someone needs a boot in their ass.

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Reply #851 on: February 24, 2012, 11:54:17 AM

I wouldn't count on it EVER being on Steam, personally.

Yeah, seeing as how EA's actually pulled games off of Steam recently and nothing new has gone on, I think I'm pretty much done with anything EA ever puts out ever again.

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Reply #852 on: February 24, 2012, 11:59:05 AM

Valve pulled DA2 off by my understanding, not EA. But yeah.

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Reply #853 on: February 24, 2012, 12:16:04 PM

If you want to play ME3 you're going to have to install Origin or learn how to play a shooter on a console.

Having tried the console thing with the demo I've decided I'm never playing ME3... or any other Bioware game again it would appear.

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Reply #854 on: February 24, 2012, 12:23:00 PM

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Reply #855 on: February 24, 2012, 12:35:57 PM

If you want to play ME3 you're going to have to install Origin or learn how to play a shooter on a console.

Having tried the console thing with the demo I've decided I'm never playing ME3... or any other Bioware game again it would appear.

Or buy it at retail/Amazon, presumably.

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Reply #856 on: February 24, 2012, 12:43:32 PM

Well, the multiplayer uses the Origin friends list and such so it might just require it outright.

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Reply #857 on: February 24, 2012, 12:49:28 PM

The acceptable way to release DLC is the way that God intended: Nine months later as a $30 expansion pack with lots of stuff crammed in it and an actual proper development cycle.

Doesn't work as well with consoles unless the expansion is stand-alone.  We're still paying for MS's decision to not put hard drives in every 360.
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Reply #858 on: February 24, 2012, 01:06:51 PM

I just saw ME 3 available for prepurchase on Impulse. But that's owned by Gamestop of course. I'm almost certain they aim to make a profit at some point and don't have the same purity of intentions as Steam.
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Reply #859 on: February 24, 2012, 01:14:50 PM

I just saw ME 3 available for prepurchase on Impulse. But that's owned by Gamestop of course.
It's also limited to US/Canada buyers.

edit: gamefly has EU version but it mentions "3rd party download required" which may or may not mean Origin.
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Reply #860 on: February 24, 2012, 01:58:46 PM

I'm such a bitch. Cheap preorder (35 euros) was all I needed to forget the brouhaha over DLC.
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Reply #861 on: February 24, 2012, 02:41:08 PM

Given how gamefly after their d2d takeover still doesn't allow me to re-download my DA and ME bought from d2d, despite showing them in the purchase history with serials and all ... i'll sooner buy from EA and install Origin* that let those fuckers get any of my money.

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Reply #862 on: February 24, 2012, 02:51:30 PM

Huargh! I want to finish ME3 because I can't stand unfinished stories, and therefore am going to knowingly fall for their Prothean DLC bullshit.

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Reply #863 on: February 24, 2012, 02:56:15 PM

Given how gamefly after their d2d takeover still doesn't allow me to re-download my DA and ME bought from d2d, despite showing them in the purchase history with serials and all ... i'll sooner buy from EA and install Origin* that let those fuckers get any of my money.

*) and i won't, so there.

Weird.  I also can't get one of the games, Fahrenheit, I bought from D2D now that I checked the client.  It does look like I can get GTA4, Episodes from Liberty City, and Drakensang though, which is everything else I bought from D2D.

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Reply #864 on: February 24, 2012, 02:59:49 PM

I'm sure before all is said and done I'll easily spend like $200+ as a household on this game (my Xbox copy, Sjofn's Origin copy, some copy I buy for the PC when it is on sale later because I can't stop myself, various DLC, etc.)

I don't really expect to regret it, either. A wasted $5-10 on a DLC thing that I end up not liking is just way below my rage level for regret purchases. That's set at whatever I paid for Elemental at release.

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Reply #865 on: February 24, 2012, 03:31:24 PM

You have to have Origin to play ME3.  It's ME3's version of the Cerberus Network, and this time you'll need to login before you can even play the game.

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Reply #866 on: February 24, 2012, 03:37:49 PM

Yah, so?

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Reply #867 on: February 24, 2012, 03:57:56 PM

Huargh! I want to finish ME3 because I can't stand unfinished stories, and therefore am going to knowingly fall for their Prothean DLC bullshit.
Unfinished?  Haven't they already said they are going to stretch the series out to a fifth or sixth?  ME3 is only the halfway point, not the end.
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Reply #868 on: February 24, 2012, 04:05:09 PM

I farking hate Origin and I've barely used it;  I have to keep resetting my password, no idea why. 
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Reply #869 on: February 24, 2012, 04:05:46 PM

Huargh! I want to finish ME3 because I can't stand unfinished stories, and therefore am going to knowingly fall for their Prothean DLC bullshit.
Unfinished?  Haven't they already said they are going to stretch the series out to a fifth or sixth?  ME3 is only the halfway point, not the end.

Er, what? No, they've pretty much said all the loose ends (from the prior 2) get tied up in this one. Which isn't to say there won't be more Mass Effect universe games, and probably depends on your definition of 'loose ends', but this is the end of the Commander Shepherd story.

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Reply #870 on: February 24, 2012, 04:06:34 PM

Yah, so?

My problem with the Origin thing is that I don't agree with Origin's ToS. So, it pretty much puts me on the outside of the game since it's a packaged deal. That's even when the game comes down in price enough for me to get past the release day DLC stuff (which should be packaged at some point).

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Reply #871 on: February 24, 2012, 05:42:24 PM

I wish I had numbers, but sales figures for any digital distribution products are pretty much impossible to find.  The two month figure is something that's been said anecdotally in a few places, and it makes a good amount of sense.   There are probably exceptions I'm sure.  Guitar Hero and Rock Band dlc sales probably fluctuated based on artist, and CoD dlc is probably viable longer after release since each game has strong sales for months after release.

There's a longtail effect at work for some titles, and ironically since CoD et al last longer because of multiplayer it makes DLC for those titles more viable. But the physical copy market is undermined to a degree by GameStop giving the best store credit to new games completed quickly, so a lot of players end up flipping games quickly as well. How many players buy back a game they've already sold just for the DLC?

Most games see their best sales in the first 10 weeks or so (per platform) unless Steam or someone similar runs a sales promotion on their title. So it makes sense to talk up / release DLC during that period.

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Reply #872 on: February 24, 2012, 06:19:02 PM

Indeed, which is another reason why traditional expansion packs really only work on PC only titles due to there not being as much of a used market for PC games.  Especially with Steam these days, most people still have access to all the PC games they've bought in the last few years.
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Reply #873 on: February 25, 2012, 02:10:44 AM

IGN doing ME3 "ongoing (p)review" or whatever it's supposed to be. Has couple gameplay videos. Also some mild story spoilers, despite claims there'd be none.

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Reply #874 on: February 25, 2012, 07:22:52 AM

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