Frogdogs score!

[Evildrider]

500k protection? 

Haha my bad, I play too much DPS.  My powertech is at 46 but I've broken 100k prot with 2 pocket healers.  :D

[Fordel]

Oh Phew!


I was like "What am I doing wrong then  "

[CmdrSlack]

When you sell your WZ commendations for the merc commendations.

Hmm? Wait? Which vendor buys the WZ comms?

[Fraeg]

the pvp vendor.

you need 800 commendations to get the 200 x 200 bag

so turn in 30 normal pvp commendations for 10 merc commendations from the pvp vendor... if in a click fest you over shoot, you can sell 10 mercs for 30 normal.

[Evildrider]

the pvp vendor.

you need 800 commendations to get the 200 x 200 bag

so turn in 30 normal pvp commendations for 10 merc commendations from the pvp vendor... if in a click fest you over shoot, you can sell 10 mercs for 30 normal.

Incorrect you can sell 30 merc for 10 warzone.  It's not an even trade.

[CmdrSlack]

None of the pvp vendors in the area seem to buy comms. Is there some other vendor elsewhere on the fleet?

[Ingmar]

The tradein is right next to the PVP mission terminal I think.

[CmdrSlack]

Ah yes.  That guy. Right there.

[Evildrider]

You can also buy them from the vendors in the PvP warzones.

[Fordel]

Hutball, the better people get at it, the more frustrating it becomes. When no one was clued in really, it was fun, shit was happening everywhere and people slowly dragged that ball across the field.


Now? Now you can't even stand on your own upper platforms without giving the other team a point. The efficiency at which teams move the ball now is just silly.




Also, all my tanky guarding in PvP is useless if the enemies are aware enough to realize I am a tank that is guarding/taunting. 

[Nebu]

I agree with you about Huttball.  If I'm in a pug against a premade, the game ends quickly.  Teams have become very efficient at using a few select mechanics to score quickly. 

I look forward to a time when I can queue for just the other two warzones.  I've run out of love for huttball. 

[Fordel]

Despite much fun I have with it personally, I almost want to say you shouldn't be able to charge with the ball anymore.


The conundrum I keep seeing is this. If you don't hold your own platforms, the enemy just sets up a little pass chain right?

Yet, if you do hold them, your just another anchor point for a enemy charger to use. The only people who can actually 'guard' the platforms are the cover classes, since you can't charge to them, and even that is risky in that all you need is one stun on the dude in cover and he's an anchor again.

Like at one point, I was guarding a gunslinger on our platform from underneath our platform, because if I went up there, the enemy BH/Jugg would just get a free ride. If the gunslinger isn't there to knock off enemies though, then you get someone cherry picking on your platform, one pass and a force speed to goal.

[Nevermore]

If you're the ball carrier, charges, sprints and that Sage lifegrip thing don't work for/on you.  There, fixed.

[Threash]

Huttball is perfect just the way it is.

[Nebu]

Huttball is perfect just the way it is.

Huttball is just fine.  I just don't like it.  I'm sure that has more to do with acid pits and the matchmaking system than huttball itself. 

[Khaldun]

The evolution of the mechanics in Huttball has meant that I only really want to play it with my guild now, who have it down solidly. If you've got two premades against each other, it's like a game of chess--it's all about control of the center. Once you get out of the center intact, both teams typically have an assembly line to pass it all down.

In fact, I'm starting to see an evolution in good premades towards an all-or-nothing kind of dynamic. A lot of good Voidstar matches mean neither team gets out of the first room or ever sets a bomb--you just keep 2 people on each gate and the rest in the middle, forming a protective cordon around a bomb-setter is almost impossible in that situation, and folks very rarely fall any more for stealth tries. I'm going to experiment more with the scoundrel mass stealth mechanic to see if that can pull off a surprise, but I doubt it. Good teams even know the paths that stealthers are likely to take--I get other stealthers criss-crossing me now all the time unless I go way, way, way around.

Alderaan matches are essentially all over in a good premade v. premade once one team has capped mid--what I see now is each team caps the most accessible turret on the side and then it can take 2-3 minutes for a window to open up for a mid cap, usually determined by who has the best healer(s) and the best focus-fire discipline. Once mid is capped, it's almost certainly all over--good teams are not sending a scrub to guard their far cap any longer, but one of their best instead.

[Shatter]

I stopped queing as guild pre-mades because it became too easy and boring.  Our 4 people would just lineup based on skills and run the ball in a pattern game after game that it wasnt even a challenge.  PvP essentially became like scripted PvE.  Id rather que with PUGs and fight my way through games.   I still win 50% of the time but at least its not boring.  Sure I get games that are balanced heavily one side vs the other or I get qued with morons but I dont expect to win every game.  Id take challenging games with PUGs even if its a loss over win win win with no challenge and playing the same every time. 

[Khaldun]

Premade v. pug is boring. Just like being in Ilum on the vastly larger faction side is boring. It's entirely about tolerating dull gameplay in return for gear. Which is a bad thing for an MMO's viability if it becomes common.

[Fordel]

I had the pleasure of watching a really good Sage in Huttball tonight. He basically won the game by himself carrying the rest of us on his giant beefallo back. Half the game we were SHORT two people, and we still won 6-0. His pulls and knockoffs and healing were all pretty much perfect. Where ever the ball was, on either side of the field, he was there to save the day.

[Zetor]

Yeah, huttball is the one WF where a team can win (and win decisively) even if they're outnumbered/outgeared simply through superior tactics and positioning. Of course it does require some degree of cluelessness from the other team, but that's a given in a pug match. 

[Furiously]

I'm amazed how many teams just LET the other team get the ball from the middle.

[Fordel]

Have we bitched about the PvP gearing system enough yet? I could add a few more rants I think. 

[Evildrider]

Gearing system is fine now really.  It's not their fault I suck with my RNG on Battlemaster Bags.

[Ingmar]

All the token swapping for other token stuff is still retarded.

[eldaec]

I find it humbling to imagine the sheer number of man hours that seem to have gone in to making sure there is absolutely no way to get loot through any means other than the single intended method for each item.


Keep that horrible trading and helping friends aspect out of my multiplayer game!

[Sky]

All the token swapping for other token stuff is still retarded.

[Shatter]

Yeah the PvP gearing system is total shit still and why I stopped playing my 50 Sorc.  The whole idea behind getting a bag and "maybe" getting some piece of useful gear out of it is an interesting mechanic to piss off your player base.  The PvP dailies/weeklys are equally as shitty.  While I expect to grind a little for my gear...I expect the gear, not a chance to get it or f'ing tokens to buy it later.  Wonder who the idiot is at Bioware who has the grind erection.

[Threash]

They already changed the bag system to be a lot more even than before.  Now the chance for a random piece is much smaller but you get tons of commendations so you can buy champ pieces after a few bags and centurion pieces almost immediately.

[Shatter]

They already changed the bag system to be a lot more even than before.  Now the chance for a random piece is much smaller but you get tons of commendations so you can buy champ pieces after a few bags and centurion pieces almost immediately.

Yeah I know but I dont have my next toon to 50 yet to see how effective that change really is.  Sounds like Ilum PvP on my server is getting better, either empire has lost a lot of players, many re-rolled rep or a combination of both but there are actualy battles out there now where the ratio isnt 5:1. 

[Fordel]

They already changed the bag system to be a lot more even than before.  Now the chance for a random piece is much smaller but you get tons of commendations so you can buy champ pieces after a few bags and centurion pieces almost immediately.

Define 'few bags'   

7 Champ comms per bag and each piece of gear is 45-70 comms each. Three bags per day for anyone reasonable, doing both PvP dailies and getting enough WZ comms for another bag. That takes up pretty much my entire evening of playtime. You net half to a third of a piece of gear, while still being rolled the entire process.

I'd be better off making an second Vanguard and going back down to the 1-49 bracket, at least there any decent set of blues will be on par with everyone else.



The actual PvP gear itself is very frustratingly itemized for my spec. They give me fuckloads of absorption rating, but no shield rating, with a little dash of defense mixed in. Defensive stats are already questionable value in PvP, but at least give me the correct ones for my spec dammit.

Also the armor itself looks terrible and whoever designed is an awful person who should feel bad about themselves.

[Threash]

Yeah, ive started buying other classes pvp gear and taking out the enhancements.  Agents have some nice power/surge enhacements i like.

[caladein]

Yeah the PvP gearing system is total shit still and why I stopped playing my 50 Sorc.  The whole idea behind getting a bag and "maybe" getting some piece of useful gear out of it is an interesting mechanic to piss off your player base.

How does it not piss off the player base when it happens in PvE?

(And yes, the end-game sets are pretty awful looking and questionably itemized across the board.)

[Fordel]

Yeah the PvP gearing system is total shit still and why I stopped playing my 50 Sorc.  The whole idea behind getting a bag and "maybe" getting some piece of useful gear out of it is an interesting mechanic to piss off your player base.

How does it not piss off the player base when it happens in PvE?

(And yes, the end-game sets are pretty awful looking and questionably itemized across the board.)

Well it does piss me off in PvE for one. 


But the big difference is when you do a dungeon for X tier of gear, that dungeons mobs don't get better gear overtime that you need to keep up with if you want to stay relevant. The NEXT tier of dungeon does, but you don't need to go into that dungeon till you are done the previous one.

The same can not be said for PvP. Which is why I beg and plead for stat caps and equalization in PvP.

[eldaec]

Yeah the PvP gearing system is total shit still and why I stopped playing my 50 Sorc.  The whole idea behind getting a bag and "maybe" getting some piece of useful gear out of it is an interesting mechanic to piss off your player base.

How does it not piss off the player base when it happens in PvE?

(And yes, the end-game sets are pretty awful looking and questionably itemized across the board.)

The fact that all end game gear looks terrible is an enormous help to me in giving no fucks about end game "content" - it reminds me to go play an alt without the slightest worry about missing out on stuff.

[Shatter]

Yeah the PvP gearing system is total shit still and why I stopped playing my 50 Sorc.  The whole idea behind getting a bag and "maybe" getting some piece of useful gear out of it is an interesting mechanic to piss off your player base.

How does it not piss off the player base when it happens in PvE?

(And yes, the end-game sets are pretty awful looking and questionably itemized across the board.)

The fact that all end game gear looks terrible is an enormous help to me in giving no fucks about end game "content" - it reminds me to go play an alt without the slightest worry about missing out on stuff.

One of the reasons I hate my sorc, the PvP gear looks like crap...f'ing conehead.  Yeah I know I can turn it off but that's besides the point :P   Troopers look pretty cool as do some Jedi armor though IMO