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His choosing to split the books based on geography did the readers a disservice considering most of the likable characters are stuck over in Dances. That and nothing of much significance occurred in Feast. Those two could benefit from collating them together.
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Most of the book just seemed to be time-wasting filler while the kingdom disintegrates.
Yup, I think thats his problem there. He is clearly wanting to show how shit everything has gone to - but I can't help feeling he could have done that quicker. |
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Threash
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His choosing to take 5-6 years to release books pretty much ensures whatever he puts out will be a disappointment.
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I don't think so in this case. He's got gobs of money already. He just is clearly having a hard time finishing it. It might be that he's written himself into a corner: too many stories that need closure, and too much of a commitment to not providing neat closure to most of the stories. Now if this was generic fantasy series #55,504, it would be pretty easy:
Mind if I repost this on facebook the day Season 4 starts, as a "spoiler"? |
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A bit disappointing - that is exactly what I thought that character would do. |
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Probably buying time since the source material is running out.
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Chimpy
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Probably buying time since the source material is running out.
At this point in the story the source material is about as action packed as a Jane Austen novel. |
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It contains almost as much fantasy too.  |
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Rendakor
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They're still a ways behind the books at this point, so that's not a valid excuse.
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Threash
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Only on some of the storylines, some are basically caught up.
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Rasix
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I imagine they're going for a book 4 and book 5 as separate seasons at this point. They need to give Martin time to DO SOMETHING and probably flesh out the timelines for when they have to pass him (and I have to go into hiding from the internet). Get used to this pacing, it's only going to get worse. The internet is going to go crazy with all of the important characters that won't be dying anytime soon. Only on some of the storylines, some are basically caught up.
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They've said they are going to do book 4 and 5 chronologically, half in season 5, half in season 6.
That said, this makes no real sense since they also said they'd aim to finish in 7 seasons.
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My comparison to LOST is because I think they are stalling and the writers have no idea where they are heading. So instead we get fans telling us how nothing happening is just fine BECAUSE CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT FAPFAPFAP. Meanwhile, I just wanted to know what was happening with the monsters.
Except in this case I'm fairly damn sure they don't know because the original author hasn't finished anything.
Have you read the books? They aren't stalling or making shit up. They're following the stories perfectly. This is exactly what happened in the books at this time. Hell, almost all of book 4 was people wondering around doing random shit that affected fuck all. Though with the TV writing, I'm sure it will be much more entertaining. If anything, they are pushing things ahead faster than the books because they are setting up stuff right now that happens in book 4, that didn't have any setup in book 3. This is nothing like lost where they were very much just making shit up to keep the series running. |
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I was surprised they did the reveal for the murder this early. That doesn't come till later books. But I guess they needed to do more to flesh out the characters this season and show just how dangerous everybody is.
Actually yes and no. Dance and Feast were suppose to be one book originally but for obvious reasons split up. |
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They need to give Martin time to DO SOMETHING and probably flesh out the timelines for when they have to pass him (and I have to go into hiding from the internet).
Give him time? Hasn't he been writing this shit for 30 years or something with like seven years between books? I could impregnate a woman, raise the child, send it to college, and babysit my new grandchildren in that amount of time. Looking at pics of the guy he's on the verge of his internal organs exploding and leaving the whole mess without an ending. |
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Paelos
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Just do what Jordan did, make notes on how it's supposed to finish, and let Brandon Sanderson fill in the details.  |
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Threash
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Martin doesn't need more time, he needs motivation. The show catching up to him and spoiling his books might encourage him.
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Paelos
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Game of Thrones was never supposed to be straight-up fantasy, though, and you know that. At least no more than The Tudors was considered fantasy. Most of the magic in this world happens off-screen or in extremely limited capacities, and the focus is on the political intrigue and sexy goings-on behind the scenes. The fantasy aspects are mostly there as window dressing.
Literally, the first chapter of the books have a guy getting his head ripped off by his zombie captain raised by ice wraiths. I don't know what you mean by "never supposed to be" but when the chapter introduces ice zombies, I'm thinking that's not the case. |
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And then the ice zombies disappear for basically the rest of the next five books, and the dragons do fuckall 90% of the time except act as a minor deterrent. Emphasis on the minor, since people still insist on fucking with Danaerys.
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Samwise
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The ice zombies are in the prologue but not the first chapter IIRC -- the first chapter is Bran watching Ned execute the deserter. It's been a while since I read the first book but I remember GRRM saying in an interview that he wrote that chapter before he had any of the rest of the story or world figured out. The ice zombies in the prologue set up why the deserter was there, but the deserter himself isn't important or interesting anyway. It's all just scene dressing.
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schild
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I'm sorry, but that motherfucker needs an editor. You don't get to introduce fucking ice zombies and dragons and white walkers and whatever fuck the else and not do anything with them.
I hope HBO says fuckit and gets their own writers to tell the story.
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schild
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Someone obsessed with fanfic should go back and cut 3/4 of every novel out and make one actual good novel.
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Paelos
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Exactly, yall are handwaving away the prologue like it's nothing. That's the first place the reader sets eyeballs to page. That's your tone-setter.
You don't get to introduce ice zombies in the opening to your first book and then not address it as a fantasy piece.
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Threash
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The ice walkers and Dany finally getting over to the seven kingdoms are the end of the story, you all are asking for the climax to happen in the middle. We are talking second half of the last book shit.
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schild
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There's no reason to crunch that shit into the last book that he may never write due to massive heart failure.
He's just a bad writer who wrote a great first book and now people can't fucking stop reading them.
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Paelos
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There's way too many people that bow to the alter of character development and ridiculous journey.
It's really really easy to "develop" characters by slowly revealing backstory the author already knows, and by making them act differently after a terrible event. Bravo. And yet people eat that up like hotcakes.
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I've possibly said this before. I bought the first book based on reading the prologue. I thought I was getting a high fantasy novel.
Instead, I had purchased the 100 years war or War of the Roses (I forget which) with ice zombies and dragons as a minor backdrop.
I was not pleased. I gave up about 1/3 of the way through book 3, thinking that unless the walkers annihilated everyone, the ending was going to not be good enough for me.
That he's basically arsed around since then, with a high probability of not ever finishing the series, fills me with a large amount of glee.
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schild
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I couldn't even get through the prologue + first chapter of the first book. It was awful. I tried reading it right after I came off Black Company.
Now, that's a few thousand pages of people doing stuff, being political, AND walking around. It's like the holy grail of neckbeard literature.
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I don't think he gives a shit about 'pleasing the fans'. He writes what he wants to write. If he wanted to please the fans, Robb Stark would be sitting on the Iron Throne using Joffrey's head as a footstool.
I am saying he wise to enjoy adulation of the fans now because its going vanish when the ending inevitability disappoints. These popular, long running series can never live up to the hype that builds around them. |
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Not going to disagree with you there. I'm old enough to remember the Wild Cards books he had a hand in. First two books were great then they trickled off to crap. True he didn't write every story but I saw the same thing happening here. That (and the Red Wedding) is why I quit at Book 2 of GoT. He's not a closer.
I would love to be proven wrong though.
This season is boring. They resolve who killed Jon Arryn like a reminder to pick up dry cleaning. At least the sword fight was good.
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