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Reply #420 on: April 25, 2018, 09:34:38 PM

I'm pretty stoked.  This new book outlines the history of the Targeryens, which means we will have canon depictions of Targeryens kings in armor on dragons, which means CMON will have the rights, nay the imperative, to create and sell a plastic dragon rider mini for their book-based tabletop game, which means in two years I'll be able to go onto Miniature Market and pay 30% MSRP for a sweet-ass dragon king miniature.  Feels good.


But there's no way I'll ever read this shit.
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Reply #421 on: April 25, 2018, 10:04:46 PM

Also, this is the shit he is working on instead of finishing WoW?  Mob Mob Mob
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Reply #422 on: April 25, 2018, 10:40:27 PM

Fuck this. Fuck him. Fuck all of it.

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Reply #423 on: April 26, 2018, 07:10:43 AM

Fuck this. Fuck him. Fuck all of it.

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Reply #424 on: April 26, 2018, 10:41:37 AM

This is a comment from a related article published on Polygon  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly? :

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In the time since A Dance With Dragons was released, I have:

Got married
Moved
Finished my associateís degree
Started and completed my bachelorís degree
Moved again
Been promoted 3 times
Had my first child
Seen 13, soon to be 14 new Marvel films
Purchased 3 brand new game consoles, and seen all of them receive successors

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Reply #425 on: April 26, 2018, 11:43:53 AM

#1: Dance will not be released in 2018.

#2: I have a pet theory that he has written the entire rest of the series and is just holding onto it as a giant FU to all the people that complain about how long he is taking.  Not really.

#3: I have a conspiracy theory that Dance is done, but he doesn't want it out until HBO is done as the story diverges from the shows enough that he thought it would be confusing - or that the books would spoil something for the show.  Also a BS theory, but fun to think about.

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Reply #426 on: April 26, 2018, 12:05:45 PM

Dance has be out for about 7 years now.

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Reply #427 on: April 26, 2018, 12:22:53 PM

Dance has be out for about 7 years now.
So it won't be released in 2018.  smiley

I meant Winds.

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Reply #428 on: April 26, 2018, 12:31:56 PM

I know.  awesome, for real I need to have some fun with all of this.

I see theory #2 floated in just about any reddit thread on this (I sub to r/books). Anyhow, if he's secretly done, then he's an asshole. So "fuck him" still stands.

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Reply #429 on: April 26, 2018, 12:49:50 PM

I had a chance (in 2013 or so) to take a bet that would have paid off $1 for every day before/after January 1, 2017 that Winter is released... I was going to take the over.   We decided not to do it in the end, but man, I would have been having fun right now.

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Reply #430 on: April 26, 2018, 05:20:52 PM

Nah, he's not done.  He's just got the world's largest case of writer's block, with a side dose of 'Ive got a fuckload of money, so I don't need to bust my arse to get this damn book done'.  In any other industry, he'd just sell out and retire to count his pennies and do side projects (like all the other random books).  We saw that when he started (Dance or Feast?  I can't remember) and had to redo it when he realised the 10-year-fast forward wasn't going to work.  That's what knocked this train off its tracks.

I'm done with the books, and to a lesser extent the TV.  I'll watch the last two seasons, but just for completionism.
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Reply #431 on: April 26, 2018, 06:33:46 PM

This is a comment from a related article published on Polygon  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly? :

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In the time since A Dance With Dragons was released, I have:

Got married
Moved
Finished my associateís degree
Started and completed my bachelorís degree
Moved again
Been promoted 3 times
Had my first child
Seen 13, soon to be 14 new Marvel films
Purchased 3 brand new game consoles, and seen all of them receive successors

My Life:

I was on my honeymoon when the book came out.
Since then I've:
Bought 2 houses.
Changed jobs 3 times.
Had 3 kids.
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Reply #432 on: April 26, 2018, 06:59:03 PM

The real reason is he cant figure out a way to have long meandering passages on the food available at court feasts in the middle of the eternal winter war. I don't see the King of the walkers sitting down for a 2 day feast.

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Reply #433 on: April 27, 2018, 06:07:21 AM

Sanderson has said he actually tried doing a SoIaF entry himself and the result was so awful he's been too embarrassed to show it to anyone else.

He's also published 26 books since Dances with Dragons was released (some of those being short stories but still!).

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Reply #434 on: April 27, 2018, 08:51:02 AM

I doubt Sanderson wants anything to do with ASOIAF; he's got his own thing going on now.

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Reply #435 on: April 27, 2018, 09:19:28 AM

I doubt Sanderson wants anything to do with ASOIAF; he's got his own thing going on now.

He also doesnít seem to have the fetishes required to write a book that would fit the Martin template. (Or at least he isnít able to articulate them  why so serious? )

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Reply #436 on: April 27, 2018, 09:06:29 PM

I know everybody thinks it's because he actually found the god of tits and wine and so doesn't want to finish.

But I honestly think he wrote himself into a cul-de-sac and has no idea how to get out without reconfirming the more conventional plot arcs the series runners have defaulted to. So he's just going to leave it because he really doesn't know how to write his way out.
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Reply #437 on: April 27, 2018, 09:25:52 PM

I know everybody thinks it's because he actually found the god of tits and wine and so doesn't want to finish.

But I honestly think he wrote himself into a cul-de-sac and has no idea how to get out without reconfirming the more conventional plot arcs the series runners have defaulted to. So he's just going to leave it because he really doesn't know how to write his way out.

He started doing that about halfway through book 2. Fell in love with (some of) his characters, and his "world" and entirely lost the thread that was driving the series.

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Reply #438 on: April 28, 2018, 12:06:52 AM

guys i know this is gonna be crazy but

is it possible he's just a bad writer
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Reply #439 on: April 28, 2018, 12:13:47 AM

He's not actually that bad a writer though. I mean, he's not what I'd call greats in literature, but he's not a bad writer. His entire body of work is one of an interesting genre writer. Song is a pretty remarkable work just in terms of sheer wordage. Even the worst of the series are better than most of Jordan's epic. Epic fiction ain't always easy.

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Reply #440 on: April 28, 2018, 03:03:14 AM

guys i know this is gonna be crazy but

is it possible he's just a bad writer

He isn't great, but Game in particular is well written and interesting, with a clear focus.

But the books, like Harry Potter before them, have gotten more self obsessed, indulgent, and generic as they've continued.

For someone who was so keen on avoiding putting the fantastic elements in focus and more interested in intrigue he has obviously slipped a long way, and there's no saving the position now.

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Reply #441 on: April 28, 2018, 07:53:24 PM

You want to see him at his height, go back and read the original short story version of "Sand Kings". But the first Game of Thrones and even the next two are pretty tightly written for this sort of thing.

Keeping in mind his models, the 100-Years War was a real muddle in the middle too. A lot of pointless killing, a lot of the most interesting individuals from the first part died or went home, etc.  It didn't become narratively exciting again until the last 40 years, with Agincourt, Joan of Arc, etc. and then the War of the Roses to follow in England.
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Reply #442 on: April 28, 2018, 10:32:38 PM

I always thought his model was basically just War of the Roses?

And heís a fine writer (or was, at least for fantasy), he just obviously ran into the biggest writers block in history after getting to the end of the the first plot arc (The first three books).  Which he obviously had already plotted out in his head before time, as he pumped out the first three books all within 1-2 years from each other.  As Iím sure Iíve mentioned 100 times, he really should have stuck with his first instinct to to do the time jump between book 3 and 4, instead of bogging himself down trying to explain everything that happpened.  It was all setup perfectly, and then devolved into a mess.

This though.... yeah, this is proof heís pretty much given up.  1,000 pages of fake history bullshit, instead of the 1,000 pages you were supposed to have spent the last 7 years working on.  I just say give it to Sanderson as a joke since he finished the Wheel of Time (and frankly, his three books were better than anything Jordan had written since the 90ís), but seriously.  Just like, find a competent writer and hand things over along with your notes, so you can spend your few remaining years bathing in baconators or what ever the fuck.  Iím sure, just like Jordan, he has the ending worked out.  Just no idea how the fuck to get there.

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Reply #443 on: May 01, 2018, 10:21:11 AM

If it was just war of the roses, it would be a lot easier to wrap up.

There would be another round of the war of n kings with everyone's kids and this time it would end when Henry VI/Tommen kills himself and the throne goes to someone who can unite the country under a  stark/Lannister marriage pact.

The magic elements that represent the greater game have been there since the start but where the series genuinely falls down imo is that they haven't been properly integrated into the PoVs of the characters we know and it is hard to imagine that being done in a satisfying way in the last 25% of story.

I had no problem with Feast and Dance for what they were, but I find really hard to believe they've left us two books away from the end of the tale.

No idea if he's given up but really hard to imagine that 8 years of writing is going to lead to a good book.

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Reply #444 on: May 01, 2018, 10:44:09 AM

It's going to give us a shitarillion though.  AMAZING!!!

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Reply #445 on: May 09, 2018, 09:06:31 PM

He's definitely going to get a cheeto lodged in his left anterior descending artery before he can get close to finishing.
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