NFL 2011

[HaemishM]

Wait, you're calling Chad Henne a GUNSLINGER QB? Really?

I'm willing to admit I may not know shit about what I'm talking about, but I do not rate Henne a gunslinger QB. Romo is a gunslinger. Favre was a gunslinger. Henne is going to end up being at best a Kyle Orton type. Comparing him to Sanchez is unfair to Henne, because Sanchez is about as accurate as I would be in his spot. Sanchez sails more passes than just about anyone I've seen other than Rex Grossman. I think Henne absolutely needs a running game to be anywhere near effective, and relying on Bush and a rookie RB is going to hurt him a lot.

[Nevermore]

No, Henne is closer to a 'gunslinger' type than a dink and dunk west coast offense type, at least going by his physical tools.  He has a very big arm.  His problem is he lacks any kind of touch (as seen in the red zone on Monday) and he's not a quick decision maker.  I always thought he'd be a decent quarterback if he ever got an offensive coordinator who didn't suck giant donkey balls.  Not Farve/Manning/Brady awesome or anything, but decent.

[ghost]

I think "gunslinger" refers more to the heroics, rather than the ability to throw the ball through a brick wall.

[Paelos]

Henne sucks. People like his arm, but he's one of the only starting QBs from last year (that doesn't play in the crappy western divisions) with a negative TD-INT margin. He sucks in getting passes over 20+. He sucks in passer rating. He's average in completions.

What people see in this guy, I have no idea, but he plays in a divison where he's going to get stomped anyway, so who cares? Hell, I think the Bills finish better than them because I actually think Fitzpatrick is a decent QB

[HaemishM]

What people see in this guy, I have no idea, but he plays in a divison where he's going to get stomped anyway, so who cares? Hell, I think the Bills finish better than them because I actually think Fitzpatrick is a decent QB

^ This. ^

The Dolphins play in a tough ass division, even in seasons when the Bills suck - and it doesn't appear the Bills suck as bad as normal this season. To entirely ditch your offensive system in favor of a system that doesn't favor the players you have on your team, with a QB who didn't even perform that well in your system that needed nothing more from a QB than not to make too many mistakes? Retarded. Henne is just not the guy you want in a pass happy offense, especially when they could have drafted any one of a shitton of better QB's or traded for one. Hell, they'd have done better signing David Garrard than expecting Henne to unfuck his issues throwing the ball. In a pass happy offense, it's going to ALL be on the QB. He is not going to be able to handle that, especially if their defense is half as bad as they showed Monday night.

[ghost]

Maybe they should run the Wildcat more. 

[HaemishM]

I wouldn't go THAT far. Fucking hate the Wildcat.

[ghost]

I wouldn't go THAT far. Fucking hate the Wildcat.

I wasn't serious.   

[Fordel]

Screw you guys, the Wild Cat is awesome! Everyone should run a wildcat!

[Cyrrex]

The biggest problem with the wildcat is that everyone uses their regular old running back, and you can expect them to run it up the middle on 10 plays out of 10.  A good wildcat would be where the defense has no idea what is about to happen, and you can only do that with a pretty gifted runner/thrower.  Even the teams who put that guy on the field still end up running the ball up the damn middle, or running some obvious option towards the sidelines.  The wildcat should be a trick play where, while the defense knows it's a trick, they have no idea how it will unfold.

[ghost]

I think the wildcat is stupid.

[caladein]

 There needs to be a penalty for when a QB looks longingly at a ref trying to draw a roughing penalty.

[01101010]

I wish to redact my KC pick in the other thread... seriously, wtf? 

[Paelos]

KC is the new Carolina.

[JWIV]

As much as Harbs would like to protest - the Ravens just put on an amazing portrayal of what a letdown loss looks like.  Fucking hell. 

[WayAbvPar]

KC is the new Carolina.

Sounds like an ACL for Charles. Proper fucked.

[K9]

940 yards in two games, the man is a monster.

[Ruvaldt]

KC is the new Carolina.

Sounds like an ACL for Charles. Proper fucked.

He is in my FF league team.  Poor bastard never stood a chance.  Look out, Jahvid Best!  You're next!

[Ginaz]

Who would have thought that after 2 weeks the team that has scored the most points is....the Bills???

[01101010]

Oh those AFC North standings... 

[Nevermore]

Who would have thought that after 2 weeks the team that has scored the most point is....the Bills???

Followed very closely by the Lions!

[HaemishM]

There needs to be a penalty for when a QB looks longingly at a ref trying to draw a roughing penalty.

You have to be talking about Cutler on the penalty that let him get that first TD pass. That was some Mickey Mouse bullshit right there.

Also, nice to watch Mike Vick get taken out of the game by the helmet of his own guy.

[Cyrrex]

Also, nice to watch Mike Vick get taken out of the game by the helmet of his own guy.

And thus ends my Vick FF experiment.  Possibly.  Please don't tell me I have to start Cutler next week.

[K9]

Who would have thought that after 2 weeks the team that has scored the most point is....the Bills???

Followed very closely by the Lions!

The Lions have a considerable advantage in points difference.

[Tannhauser]

Lions and Bills 2-0?  The world has turned upside down.

Surprised but happy the Titans won.  And they did it mostly without Chris Johnson.  Hasselbeck threw for more yards than Stafford!  If they can get some running lanes for Johnson watch out.

Vodka Collins had a mediocre day in the loss(!) to the Browns.  Is McCoy getting his shit together?

So far this season the main stories to me are

1.  Lions and Bills restore the roar and the, uh, stampede.  But it's still a long season.
2.  Cam Newton shooting the mf'ing lights OUT in the NFL.  Over 400 yards again!  Carolina is the best 0-2 team in the league. 

[Cyrrex]

By my very rough calculations, Cam Newton is on pace for approximately 84,000 passing yards, and 204 rushing TDs.

Seriously, I was betting this kid was going to be a bust.  I may even have been hoping for it, because he seems too arrogant form my liking.  But dayamn.  No way does he keep this pace up, but on the other hand, it seems like he may really be legit.  Good for him, I suppose.

[Nebu]

Once there's enough film on Cam, he'll slow down a bit.  He is one hell of a physical specimen though. 

[Paelos]

Cam may be the first QB since Peyton to come out of the SEC and actually be worth a damn.

[ghost]

And his team is 0-2.  

[Paelos]

And his team is 0-2.  

Yeah I think Peyton's rookie season he went 0-4 and 3-13 on the year.

[Nebu]

Cam may be the first QB since Peyton to come out of the SEC and actually be worth a damn.

Joe Namath and Archie Manning were pretty good. 

I'm not on the Cam bandwagon yet.  I think he's going to struggle as a) teams figure him out and b) as he gets older and loses mobility. 

[Paelos]

Obviously we will see as he progresses, but I think he will gain maturity faster than NFL teams figure him out IF he doesn't get Mike Vick sydrome and relies on his talent instead of working hard.

[ghost]

I think he's going to be spectacular.  First they need to build a team around him though and, as Nebu said, it will be more telling how things go once they get some film on him.  When defenses are more prepared we will know more about his potential.  What's probably going to make or break him is his work ethic.  Is he going to put in the work to get better or is he going to party and be Matt Leinart?

[naum]

Watched most of both of Cam's games and most amazing thing about his yardage is the easy strikes he missed, where he had a receiver wide open and missed wide with the throw, too overly cautious in the red zone, mostly, but other occurrences over the field too. Plus, he forced too many throws to Steve Smith. Yes, teams will evolve game plan for him, but if he develops and improves on throwing accuracy, he'll still be a force.

I find it funny how ballyhooed Tim Tebow was/is, yet not much said about Cam Newton, until he actually got a starting nod.

But to make too much of out 2 games is folly -- the NFL network displayed a chart of all the rookies with 2 400+ yard games -- on that list are such luminaries as Todd Marinovich, Patrick Ramsey, Mark Rypien (yeah, he won a SB, but deteriorated instantly after that moment), etc.…

[ghost]

I find it funny how ballyhooed Tim Tebow was/is, yet not much said about Cam Newton, until he actually got a starting nod.

Newton was the number one pick in the draft.  That says something.  Unless you're talking out of high school, which is notoriously hit and miss.  Even then he was rated pretty highly by Rivals.