NFL 2011

[Rasix]

It also helps if you still need a steady paycheck.  But then, the world of analysis is available provided you can speak as well as Magic Johnson.

[Bunk]

Ok, as a Bears fanboy I need to jump in and defend Cutler a bit here. He had a respectable 85.7 passer rating this year, on a team that had turnstiles on the o-line for the first five games, and whose top wide reciever only had 700 yards.

Yes, Chicago would probably win more games next year with a healthy Manning at the helm, but that can be said for all but maybe four teams in the league. You don't bench a guy in his prime, whose actually been showing improvement, just to plug in a nearly 40 all star for one year, when your team really isn't at the point of making a run for the Superbowl.

Plus, I fully belive that Cutler's biggest problem last year was Mike Martz and his crazy assed eight men in motion playbook.

Not to mention the simple fact that if they are having this much trouble signing their best player currently, how the hell would they find money for Manning?

[Paelos]

Tom Landry was a 1954 all-pro back, and an amazing coach. He's probably the best example in the NFL.
Don Shula played for 7 years as a DB with 21 picks and 4 fumbles.

In baseball, Joe Torre, Connie Mack, Casey Stengel, Bucky Harris all were great players and hall of fame managers. (Torre's not in yet but will be)

[Nebu]

Most great players make terrible coaches.  I agree.  I think that teaching and playing are very different skill sets.  I also think that it can be difficult to understand how someone can't do what you did effortlessly.  Then there's the issue of drive. 

[01101010]

Tom Landry was a 1954 all-pro back, and an amazing coach. He's probably the best example in the NFL.
Don Shula played for 7 years as a DB with 21 picks and 4 fumbles.

In baseball, Joe Torre, Connie Mack, Casey Stengel, Bucky Harris all were great players and hall of fame managers. (Torre's not in yet but will be)

Might be too early, but if Jim Harbaugh keeps going the way he has...

[Johny Cee]

It also helps if you still need a steady paycheck.  But then, the world of analysis is available provided you can speak as well as Magic Johnson.

Coaching is a shitload of work for a very mediocre paycheck.  Broadcasting is significantly better in pay/work ratio, and even things like memorabilia and speaking gigs are probably competitive with or better paying/less work.  Mickey Mantle supposedly made around $5000/hour signing balls, for instance, and that was decades ago....  and even gigs where you get paid to show up to parties/be seen.  

Basically, for a major star, it's a huge amount of work for a large step down in pay while also shifting more into the background.  

[ghost]

I wouldn't call Harbaugh a HOF type quarterback.  He was no where near the level of Manning or Favre or Jordan or Magic or Bird or McHale.

Joe Torre had a damned good career.  He may be the best I've seen in the modern era.  I, not being a baseball guy, was unaware of how good he actually was.

[HaemishM]

You're making the assumption that he's going to be good at coaching.  Not everyone who plays well teaches well. 

I'm making the assumption that the guy who was pretty much calling all the plays on the Colts for the last decade, and most of the time on the fly at the line of scrimmage, can probably tell someone a thing or two about how to play the position. I'm not saying all great players make great coaches, because clearly, that hasn't been the case. I don't think Favre could coach a successful pee wee league team, because what made him special isn't coachable. Peyton to me never had the greatest set of physical skills - wasn't particularly fast or agile, and his arm isn't Favre-fastball level (though his arm strength has never been a question). His main positives were accuracy (teachable), tenacity and the way he was able to read the defenses. All of that is coachable, and someone had to teach him.

[ghost]

Yes, he probably can, but again you are making the assumption that he probably will.  Most of these guys are too competitive to do that.  I seriously doubt it will happen.  And as for who taught Payton, it was his father, who had a vested interest in the training of his son.

[Ingmar]

Lenny Wilkens.

[Bungee]

Tom Landry was a 1954 all-pro back, and an amazing coach. He's probably the best example in the NFL.
Don Shula played for 7 years as a DB with 21 picks and 4 fumbles.

In baseball, Joe Torre, Connie Mack, Casey Stengel, Bucky Harris all were great players and hall of fame managers. (Torre's not in yet but will be)

Don't forget Dick LeBeau. He's still in the top 10 in interceptions and is one of the best DCs ever.

[Chimpy]

The turn of conversation on this page sure seems to fit a pattern.

[ghost]

Lenny Wilkens.

I don't know if I would qualify Lenny as a good coach.   

[WayAbvPar]

Lenny Wilkens.

I don't know if I would qualify Lenny as a good coach.   

Hey look, reason #12132084 for me to ignore anything you have to say! 

[ghost]

I figured you guys with green in your name would be better at spotting the sarcasm....

[Bungee]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-countdowns/09000d5d826cb638/REP-Top-10-plays-of-2011-playoffs?module=HP11_cp

Is there any way this guy will be in a booth next season? 

[Sjofn]

"Other than staring awkwardly off into space, that is what Eli does best" = lololol

[MuffinMan]

Hank Azaria.

[shiznitz]

Was that a script or off the cuff?  Brilliant either way.

[Paelos]

HAEMISH! JAWS GOT DEMOTED SO HE WON'T BE IN THE BOOTH! ZOMG!

[Rasix]

That's probably a good change.  He really doesn't add anything anymore. This does mean more Gruden, however. 

[Paelos]

I'm excited about more Gruden.

PS - Think he actually knows more about the game than Jaws and won't fawn over QBs all the time if not given the direct setup by Jaws.

[ghost]

Meh.  Neither one bothers me at all, but then again I don't hang off of every word they say when I'm watching.  The best commentators, IMO are the complete idiots, like Madden.  I remember listening to him tell the audience how you need to step on your hat when you're trying to pick it up after it blows off so you don't look stupid when the wind picks it up again and blows it away from your hand.  He went on for 5-10 minutes about this.

[HaemishM]

Fuck. More Gruden.

I'd be much happier if they just let the 3 Mikes do the broadcasts - Golic, Greenberg and Ditka.

[shiznitz]

They need Hank Azaria.

[sickrubik]

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/entertainment/post/2012/02/tim-tebow-gets-choked-up-watching-seals/1#.Tzw7m1xSRZ9

Denver Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow admitted he got a little bit emotional watching the dedication of the U.S. Navy SEALs onscreen at Monday night's premiere of Act of Valor.

"To see what that man did for our country," Tebow said, describing one of the scenes of heroism in the movie that uses active-duty Navy SEALs to depict a fictional story about the country's most elite fighting force. "That was something not talked about or celebrated."

 

[HaemishM]

Don't get me started on that movie. That's a quick trip to Politics.

[Ingmar]

So, Tim thinks it was a true story?

[MuffinMan]

So, Tim thinks it was a true story?

That's what he's known for doing, no?

[Trippy]

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