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I liked the Oilers helmets myself.

There's nothing basic about:

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Cowboys don't really need him, and the Bengals are trying to get younger at wideout. A lot of the usual suspects are places where they either don't need him or he's totally not what they are looking for. My bet? Chicago, Baltimore or Philly.

I could see the Pats, but not the Colts. Manning got them to the playoffs throwing to hobos off the street last year. Why pay for old, damaged goods?

I think the Panthers are focused on a youth move. They know they won't win shit this year whether their starting QB is Moore, Claussen or Cam Newton. Burress won't help Steve Smith enough and he'll take reps from a young guy that could grow with whichever franchise QB they go with.

The Panthers already have Smith to help the young QB. Having another ego-driven older wideout taking up more money than he's worth isn't going to help. They'd be better off with running backs and o-linemen than another idiot receiver.

While I do not think Jerry Rice would've been Jerry Motherfuckin' Rice without the QBs he played for, I don't think they would've been OMG Those Quarterbacks!!!! without him, yeah.

Sterling Sharpe was a beast. Sadly his neck injury ended his career early.

Of course, the loss of Sharpe is pretty much what turned Green Bay into the home of the "obscure wideout becomes league leader" capital of the NFL, and it arguably made Favre even better than he already was.

Most people just think of him as a funny analyst on ESPN/wherever he went to these days.

It's not an absolute lead-pipe lock that we'll have a full NFL season, and as such, the owners and commissioner have been planning for alternate shortened seasons, the likes of which we haven't had since 1987, which was the last time there was a work stoppage.

Welker is amazing.  And there's a reason the Dolphins are so fucking terrible-  their front office sucks.  Of course they traded them to a division rival.  That's the only logical course for such a fucked up organization.

That's crazy talk. :uhrr: Brandon Marshall is one of the top receivers in the NFL when his QB can actually throw him the ball.

That's crazy talk. :uhrr: Brandon Marshall is one of the top receivers in the NFL.

You know as well as I do, that's not an accurate depiction of him. He had to rely on Tyler Thigpen to get him the ball in the second half. Tyler Thigpen.

Not that that narrows the field down any.  :why_so_serious:

I'm surprised no one has mentioned that the lockout is over and the season is on after all.

Very torn. Want the Seahawks to do well, but if they are bad, they need to be REALLY bad so Andrew Luck comes to town a year from now.

Very torn. Want the Seahawks to do well, but if they are bad, they need to be REALLY bad so Andrew Luck comes to town a year from now.

They'll probably win 5-6 games and miss out on any good players make the playoffs.   

The Cowboys finally cut Roy Williams. Speaking for Cowboys fans everywhere, THANK GOD!

That may be the worst bust we've had in years.

Welp.

Everyone reporting that Hasselbeck is definitely out, and that Tarvaris Jackson is flying to Seattle tonight. Looks like it is plan B and Andrew Luck. I just hope he shaves that godawful beard before draft day.

I seriously don't give a fuck who they sign now- if our QB is either Jackson or Clipboard Jesus we are well and truly fucked. This is going to be a long, shitty season.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned that the lockout is over and the season is on after all.

Andrew Luck. I just hope he shaves that godawful beard before draft day.
 

Donovan McNabb rumored to be coming to Nashville?  :ye_gods:

Michigan is what I saw - Vikes are taking him on the cheap.

 :facepalm:

Hasselbeck to Titans, McNabb likely to Vikings (LOL), Arizona frontrunners for Kolb. My only consolation is that Hasselbeck didn't go to AZ or SF. That would have blown ass.

'Experts' keep trying to talk me into Tarvaris Jackson- I ain't buying. Seattle now has 3 backup QBs (Leinart is en route to date rape his way through the local sororities by all accounts), plus some undrafted rookies- and we are supposed to start someone out of that group?  :ye_gods:

Kolb is overrated.  He wasn't that good when he played for the Eagles.

Maybe you could say that.  When he played he looked like shit.  It's the same feeling I got from Garrett Gilbert in the national title game versus Alabama.  Yeah, he hasn't played a lot but I'm not optimistic. 

My prediction, the NFC west will continue to be a never-ending embarrassment to the sport of football.

And yet 3 of the 4 teams have been to a Super Bowl more recently than your beloved Cowboys (49ers missed it by a year). Rams are going to be a lot better, and if SF and Arizona unfuck their QB situations they will also be better. Seattle is another, more depressing story. Although rah rah Carroll may surprise me.

Funny, because the Cowboys play in a division with two double digit win teams. Just like the North and the South that had 2 and 3 double digit win teams. When's the last time that happened in the NFC West? Oh that's right, 2003. That division has been total ass since they realigned in 2002 and created it as a joke for football fans.

Oh and all those West teams lost the Super Bowl. Who cares if they "made it", even the Falcons managed to pull that off one year. What about the Bills, they "made it" too!

Wake me if the Seachickens win 8 games this year.

Also, Reggie Bush traded to Miami. That to me is a WTF, Saints? Yes, he's never going to be a 1,000 yard rusher, and he's fragile as an ice sculpture at a space heater convention. But he does some really amazing things on the field in terms of making the other team gameplan around him. Guess they just got tired of relying on him.

Really surprised there wasn't a push for him by the Seahawks... really thought Carroll would try to get the band back together again.

Glad to see the Titans release VY.  I've never liked that guy.  He's a punk and a very sketchy NFL QB. 

Also, Reggie Bush traded to Miami. That to me is a WTF, Saints? Yes, he's never going to be a 1,000 yard rusher, and he's fragile as an ice sculpture at a space heater convention. But he does some really amazing things on the field in terms of making the other team gameplan around him. Guess they just got tired of relying on him.

Haynesworth and Ochocinco to the Pats. Saw Belichick called 'The Douchebag Whisperer' on Twitter  :awesome_for_real:

No, but Belichick can certain get some defensive production out of the fatass.

Jan. 9th, 2010. Cowboys 34 - Eagles 14. NFC Divisional Playoff game.

Fuck, Belichick is going to win the goddamned championship with all these idiots. 

I think the Colts, Steelers, and Jets have something to say about that...

Who gets Namdi is so much more interesting then these not so great QB's shuffling around. If Caron Palmer ends up somewhere it could have playoff implications ( even outside of the NFC west) though I'd put money on him continuing to choke terribly. .

They can make something out of Chad. I'm pretty sure nobody can turn Haynesworth into a productive member of society.

I've never hoped any owner got struck by lightning as much as Mike Brown. The NFL would be a better place if he and Davis went of a cliff in the same limo.

Roy Williams sucks. Good luck Bears!

As a huge huge Dolphins fan, I gotta say I'm not to keen on the Bush trade/signing, I woulda preferred Sproles or Bradshaw.

Seahawks released Lofa Tatupu when he wouldn't restructure his deal.

Zach Miller signs with the Seahawks. Best signing they've made this offseason. Jackson will need a bit TE he can dump the ball off to when he's running for his fucking life.

Where the hell were the Eagles hiding this money? Switzerland?

I wouldn't sleep on the Bills this year. They are showing signs of promise after last season.

 :awesome_for_real:

The Bills lost three OT heartbreakers to the Ravens, Steelers and Chiefs last year, so if they've improved I wouldn't take them lightly. Plus, Fitzpatrick is fun to watch. I think he out-gained his RBs a couple times last year.

Those schemes will not work this year due to the prevalence of film.  Fitzpatrick ain't no Vick.

Laugh it up, but they will win some games against teams that overlook them this year. They won 4 last year, and I think they can win 7 this year. Fitzpatrick isn't a bad QB, he just spends a ton of time on his back because their OL is was injured, inexperienced, or just terrible. Now, I think they will have that better sorted out and hopefully healthier, giving Fitz more time to do his thing.

I am not looking forward to this season, no. I fucking hate the Eagles so much.

I am not looking forward to this season, no. I fucking hate the Eagles so much.

The Ravens are going to take a step back unless Flacco miraculously grows some accuracy. Losing Derrick Mason is really going to hurt that team, no matter how old he is, especially when they also lost Donte Stallworth, their only real deep threat. They will have to rely on the D a lot more. In a division with the Steelers and an improving Browns team (who will also still suck, IMO) at least they can look forward to pounding a floundering Bengals team.

Still puzzling over NFL rule change to move kickoff to 35 yard line.

Yeah, the deafening clamor for more touchbacks.

Giants might be really, really bad this year.

It's a safety thing, along with limiting the running start by the kicking team to only five yards.  I don't know if it those were the superior options over 25yd touchbacks and killing wedges off entirely, but it's progress.

Had to happen. The NFL is fighting concussions on too many fronts, and bad injuries due to kickoffs were high on that list. Is it boring? Yeah. But it also provides for some strategy by your special teams units if you want to catch people off guard.

Had to happen. The NFL is fighting concussions on too many fronts, and bad injuries due to kickoffs were high on that list. Is it boring? Yeah. But it also provides for some strategy by your special teams units if you want to catch people off guard.

Yeah, I think you are correct. Get used to seeing the Eli face A LOT.

:oh_i_see:

Don't be obtuse. Moving the kickoff line is a small change. Especially since it's been there before in the past.

That receiving corps is already pretty stacked with Jackson, Avant and Maclin (the latter two aren't great, but they are good enough).

My Giants didn't look good at all.  But since I'm a fan and I'm always optimistic, I'm going to chalk up Saturday's performance to:

They've been practicing for just a short while.
Their offensive line is a bit shuffled.
It's preseason.

I'm not that worried about the loss of Steve Smith yet.  Nicks and Manningham both were able to snag 2000+ yards and a ton of TDs and each didn't start the whole year.

Our defense looked good though.

I know I am salivating.  The NFC East is in our hands unless Vick gets his legs broken early in the season.  Tony OhNo, a hapless Redskins team and a 4 sacked a game Eli...

Just got an email from Yahoo...are we donig the obligatory Pick 'Em league again this year?  I look forward to dominating all you jokers once again.

Just got an email from Yahoo...are we donig the obligatory Pick 'Em league again this year?  I look forward to dominating all you jokers once again.

We shall see...

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Nicks and Manningham are good but they were a lot better when they weren't the only options. If the O-line has to shuffle around, Manning is going to take a lot more pressure and we all know that's when Eli starts tossing balls to the wrong team. If the running game isn't solid, it will be a LONG year.

I think with Steve Smith out there, the three of them could open up the running game - but he's gone now, and yeah, you're right, they don't have someone who can do it by himself like Plax could.

But Eli is confident he's an elite QB in Tom Brady's league.  :facepalm:

I know I am salivating.  The NFC East is in our hands unless Vick gets his legs broken early in the season.  Tony OhNo, a hapless Redskins team and a 4 sacked a game Eli...

Neither of them are the kind of premier receiver that opens up the running game either in my opinion.  The reason the Giants were so nasty with Plaxico is you just couldn't cover him with one guy.  It does great things for your team when you can force a double whenever you want.

I think with Steve Smith out there, the three of them could open up the running game - but he's gone now, and yeah, you're right, they don't have someone who can do it by himself like Plax could.

But Eli is confident he's an elite QB in Tom Brady's league.  :facepalm:

"I consider myself in that class," said Manning, the MVP of Super Bowl XLII. "Tom Brady is a great quarterback, he's a great player and what you've seen with him is he's gotten better every year. He started off winning championships and I think he's a better quarterback now than what he was, in all honesty, when he was winning those championships.

"I think now he's grown up and gotten better every year and that's what I'm trying to do. I kind of hope these next seven years of my quarterback days are my best."

Real NFC East fans know Eli tossed up the most picks in the NFL last year (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=1&season=2010&seasonType=REG&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&statisticPositionCategory=QUARTERBACK&d-447263-s=PASSING_INTERCEPTIONS&qualified=true)  :awesome_for_real:

Real NFC East fans know Eli tossed up the most picks in the NFL last year (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=1&season=2010&seasonType=REG&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&statisticPositionCategory=QUARTERBACK&d-447263-s=PASSING_INTERCEPTIONS&qualified=true)  :awesome_for_real:

Eli Manning-  31 TDs and 25 picks
Tom Brady-  36 TDs and 4 picks  :grin:

No one brings it up because Brees at least made the playoffs last year.  :awesome_for_real:

I wouldn't argue they were a particularly GOOD team either.

I'm not a big fan of Brees, no. 

"They" meaning a group of swiss bankers?

I believe that Brees may be the best technical QB ever to play the position.  If he had Peyton's brain, he'd be a god.

Maybe so.  He's a bit limited in the physical sense as well.

I can think of at least 7 guys I would rather have than Brees in the league right now:

1.  Rivers
2.  Brady
3.  Vick
4.  Rodgers
5.  Roethlisberger
6.  Manning son #1
7.  Ryan

And probably Joe Flacco and Josh Freeman as well. 

I can think of at least 7 guys I would rather have than Brees in the league right now:

1.  Rivers
2.  Brady
3.  Vick
4.  Rodgers
5.  Roethlisberger
6.  Manning son #1
7.  Ryan

And probably Joe Flacco and Josh Freeman as well.  

You are fucking HIGH as a kite on about half of those picks.

Vick is fucking overrated, as likely to injure himself trying to make a play as he would be to make the play itself. Roethlisberger is a winner but also takes many stupid risks with his own health. Matt Ryan is good but not on Brees' level. Flacco is horribly inconsistent and Josh Freeman is not nearly experienced enough to take over a guy like Brees.

I'd take in this order:

1) Manning
2) Brady
3) Rivers
4) Brees
5) Rodgers

And 4 & 5 are a tossup.

EDIT: And more about Vick. He is NOT going to bring hom a couple of titles. I don't think he has it in him to remain consistent enough through an entire season to bring home titles. He will electrify a crowd and he will win some games, but I honestly do not think he's smart enough to win a title.

I bet the Eagles win the Superbowl this year.  

While the Eagles are one of the favorites, I'd still take that bet.   :grin:

Pryor eligible for supplemental draft, but must serve suspension (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/08/18/terrelle.pryor.supplemental.draft.ap/index.html)

Any thoughts? I am a bit torn. I can understand the 5 game suspension, but what about all the shit these other kids have done in college ball and just jumped ship and went to the pros? All the sudden Pryor gets stung? Then again, he was set to go back to school and then dropped it when the road crumbled out from under him. I dunno... I doubt I'd be ok if he was just allowed to be drafted and play without any penalty at all...

Of course this is all a moot point considering he would not actually be playing this year anyway... meh.

While the Eagles are one of the favorites, I'd still take that bet.   :grin:

Any thoughts? I am a bit torn.

It's easy to take the field in the NFL.   :grin:

I'd take Matt Ryan by far over any of these guys except for Rodgers. Why? Age. You'd be nuts to take a 34 year old Brady or a 32 year old Brees over a 26 year old Ryan for your franchise. That's a no-brainer.

Apologies for double post, but WTC? That makes exactly zero sense. NCAA and NFL are in no way affiliated. Goodell is a fucking lawful good retard. NFLPA should have a field day with that.

Commissioner Roger Goodell and NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith worked together on the decision, Rosenhaus said.

I say let him play.  Serving a suspension in the NFL for breaking an NCAA rule is stupid.  Perhaps it's just admission by the NCAA that they primarily pursue only those infractions involving marquis players on top tier teams.  It's not like 99% of NCAA players can jump ship to the NFL to avoid a suspension.  


You're the one that made the bet.  I'm just accepting it!

Okay.  What would you like to gamble?

While Matt Ryan has a huge upside, he's still a gamble.  It's still unclear if he has what it takes to win a championship. 

gentlemen's wager

Apologies for double post, but WTC? That makes exactly zero sense. NCAA and NFL are in no way affiliated. Goodell is a fucking lawful good retard. NFLPA should have a field day with that.

I think the Pryor issue was more because he deliberately hired an agent to get suspended, i.e. he hired an agent to get suspended to specifically get draftable.  I think it's a legitimate reason to suspend him for 5 games.  He's manipulating the system to get an advantage that others might not get. 

EDIT: Also, why would you take Freeman or Ryan over Rodgers? Rodgers has already won a Super Bowl and is only a year or two older than those two.

Because everyone under-rates how good Rodgers really is because he replaced Favre who is one of the best (if not the best) to ever play, and he was fun to watch when he played to boot?

I'm kinda surprised so many of you would take Manning over Brees. I wouldn't. Hell, did yall not watch the Super Bowl?

Rodgers is really, really damned good.  I don't know if I wouldn't take him first out of everyone available right now. 

I hope Manning the Greater winds up a coach instead of a stupid announcer once he's done playing.

Edit:  It's not looking good for the Eagles (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=310818023)....or my gambling.   :awesome_for_real:

I've already picked my horse (or my dawg :grin:) so I guess I'll ride it to the end-  he'll get better.  He's still shaking off the rust. 

Peyton Manning? Yeah, I'd take him over Brees. The body of his work kind of speaks for itself. Plus, he's been able to carry a team, and if the broadcasters are to be believed, he's an O-coordinator out on the field. He's gotten them into the playoffs repeatedly with some really suspect receivers. While I don't think any of Brees wideouts are as good as Reggie Wayne on an individual level, I do think every one of them is better than Manning's current corps.

Interesting to note these people around here coming off last week's debacle against the Redskins laughing that off as "it's preseason, no one gives a crap." Today, everyone is talking shit about how they destroyed the Eagles and Vick. The whole town needs to be put on seroquel asap.  :why_so_serious:

What else do they have to talk about right now?  :roflcopter:

yes, Big Ben, check Manning v. Ben stats for last 3 years, see how Ben has him beat

Year	Team	G	GS	PaYd	Comp	Att	C%	Plays	NetYd	NY/P	TD	Int	DYAR	Rk	YAR	Rk	DVOA	Rk	VOA	Rk
2010	PIT	12	12	3200	240	389	61.7%	417	3061	7.34	17	5	1238	7	1187	7	38.2%	2	36.2%	3
2009	PIT	15	15	4328	337	506	66.6%	563	4103	7.29	28	14	1390	8	1459	9	27.8%	8	29.7%	7
2008	PIT	16	16	3301	281	469	59.9%	518	3110	6.00	17	15	288	23	228	25	-2.2%	27	-4.1%	29

Year	Team	G	GS	PaYd	Comp	Att	C%	Plays	NetYd	NY/P	TD	Int	DYAR	Rk	YAR	Rk	DVOA	Rk	VOA	Rk
2010	IND	16	16	4700	450	679	66.3%	704	4747	6.74	33	17	1679	2	1880	2	25.0%	6	29.4%	5
2009	IND	16	16	4500	393	571	68.8%	591	4640	7.85	33	16	1936	2	2017	1	38.2%	5	40.3%	4
2008	IND	16	16	4002	371	555	66.8%	572	3967	6.94	27	12	1783	2	1780	2	36.1%	1	36.0%	2

Ben is an incredible quarterback when shit falls apart though. Favre-esc in a way.

I think Tom Brady is one of the top 2-3 quarterbacks to ever play the game.  He's simply amazing.  Last year was ridiculous. 

Roethlisberger only had a better season than Manning last year if you prorate away his suspension, which is like prorating Micheal Vick into not a massive injury risk.  2009 is only close if you're looking at raw counting stats instead of adjusting for their schedules.  And 2008... well, that's a blow out.

Counterpoint would be the new metric (in the style of derived baseball metrics like WAR or EqA) ESPN came up with; Big Ben does not really come close to stacking up.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6834507/nfl-peyton-manning-top-two-qbr-seasons

Unless you're playing fantasy leagues, the only state that matters is championships.  The rest is fluff.

Tarvaris Jackson update:
Still terrible.
 :oh_i_see:

Cincinnati Bengals Announcers: Still making excuses about "trying to gel with this new lineup."

Then again they have 20 years practice.

God I wish they'd leave this city so I could watch something else.

Tarvaris Jackson update:
Still terrible.
 :oh_i_see:

Whitehurst looked good on that 9 of 10 drive! Yea, it was against preseason scrubs, but hey, I'm trying to be positive for you.

Just wait. You are about to draft Pryor.  :awesome_for_real:

Were I the owner of an NFL team, I'd want:

1) Manning
2) Rogers
3) Brady
4) Brees

Vick is a meltdown waiting to happen.  Roethlessberger is too system specific.  I'm not sold on Ryan yet. 

I agree with this opinion 100%, was actually going to almost write the same exact thing!

Just wait. You are about to draft Pryor.  :awesome_for_real:

Oakland and Cincy. Battling it out for who is the worst ownership in the league.

Just for shits and giggles, here are my predictions:

AFC East: Patriots
AFC North: Steelers
AFC South: Colts
AFC West: Chiefs
Wildcards: Texans, Chargers

NFC East: Cowboys
NFC North: Lions
NFC South: Bucs
NFC West: Rams
Wildcards: Packers, Giants

AFC Champ: Chiefs v Chargers
NFC Champ: Packers v Cowboys

Superbowl: Packers v Chargers - Packers repeat!

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Yeah I wrote Lions!  Suh is going to rip Rogers head off... literally.

What's the over/under on how many games before Stafford's arm launches itself out of his shoulder socket?  I'll take 9.

Dude, I'm a Lion's fan

Wait......what?  How?

Well, the Giants looked a bit more decent last night.  Too bad Thomas tore his ACL. 

I think the NFC North may be the hardest division to pick this year.

The Lions seem like they'll be pretty good, if they can stay healthy.
The Bears had the NFC's best record last year (not entirely deservedly, but still).
The Vikings Favred themselves up last year, but do we really think they were that bad?  I don't.
The Packers are still the Packers, and Aaron Rodgers is The Man.

I think the NFC North may be the hardest division to pick this year.

The Lions seem like they'll be pretty good, if they can stay healthy.
The Bears had the NFC's best record last year (not entirely deservedly, but still).
The Vikings Favred themselves up last year, but do we really think they were that bad?  I don't.
The Packers are still the Packers, and Aaron Rodgers is The Man.

Cutler will be better this year.

The hardest division to pick in my view is the NFC West. Absolutely nobody knows who will stop being shitty long enough to win.

Downside for the Bucs is that they have no QB, so they will try to ride their D as far as they can.

Quick, which QB in 2010 had the following stats: 3451 passing yards, 364 rushing yards, 25 TDs to only 6 INTs and a 95.9 passer rating (6th among starting QBs).

Hint: he plays for the team that 'has no QB'.  :roll:

Freeman is a 23 year old lump of clay. He might be good, he might go into a tailspin. I'm not convinced he has the goods.

YES, Kerry Collins got signed with the COLTS, he can continue to be my object of irrational hate!

He knew I'd miss him in my own fucked up way.  :why_so_serious:

YES, Kerry Collins got signed with the COLTS, he can continue to be my object of irrational hate!

He knew I'd miss him in my own fucked up way.  :why_so_serious:

God I can't wait for Pete Carroll to get fired.

What is it that you don't like about Carroll?  I happen to think that he's an excellent coach.  He just hasn't got much to work with. 

With the talent gap that Carroll had at USC I could probably put together a top 10 team.  When you're operating with a talent gap like that the scheme becomes much less important. 

Hell of a recruiter though...

Carroll is a great Defensive Coordinator.

He is not a great head coach.

Kind of like Buddy Ryan, Wade Phillips, Guenther Cunnigham, and Ray Rhodes. Guys that just about anyone would hire to coach a defense but who were mediocre to downright terrible as head coaches.

I don't think you will get what you want.

However, the division is Arizona's to lose imo.

The problem with this theory is that his defenses have steadily gone downhill at USC, and the last two years he was coaching there USC could barely catch a cold in the fourth quarter.  And that is with the talent that he had accumulated. 

From what I have seen from St Louis so far in the preaseason (which is not more than a couple of series), they are still a ways away. Another good draft and free agency, coupled with some experience for all their young guys will make them a handful in 2012 and beyond.

That being said, it won't take much to win this division. If anything it is worse than last year. SF is a wreck, Seattle is a mess, Arizona is schizo and St Louis is REALLY young.

Our D-line is starting to look decent. LBs and secondary are really young and/or terrible. Got decidedly less so when they shipped Kelly Jennings to the Bungles this morning. That POS deserves to rot there.

Being a great Coordinator does not mean that the Defense (or Offense, see Norv Turner as a shining example) will be worth a shit when you are head coach.

Being a good recruiter is almost completely irrelevant to the NFL game.

That's the whole point. 

Tavaris Jackson is your starting QB.

McNabb hasn't had it for years.  I'm not sure he ever had it, really, and that it was actually TO that had it.

McNabb hasn't had it for years.  I'm not sure he ever had it, really, and that it was actually TO that had it.

 :ye_gods:

I find it odd that they could have gotten Leinart.  Surely he's a better option than the three slugs they've got on the roster. 

You really need to rethink that. Before TO got there, he had NOBODY to throw to. NOBODY. I mean, Pinkston, Thrash, Lewis? These were his wideouts through most of those years. He had Brian Westbrook as his main weapon most of those years, and while Westbrook was really good, he was still a RB with 3 or 4 total lumps of meat as his wideouts. And he still got them to 3 straight NFC Championships before the Super Bowl year. He also never threw more INTs than TD's in any season prior to last year - and he was on a BAD team last year. McNabb has most certainly lost it, probably for good. But he has always been an underrated passer IMO. Shit, you put him on a team with better receivers like last year's Green Bay team, or with Moss/Welker like Brady had in '07 or even Harrison/Wayne on the Colts in 2006, and he would have shined. Hell, even with TO, he still didn't have a good 2nd wide receiver.

Jacksonville is starting Luke McCown at QB.

I expect McNabb might make 6 games at most as starter. I really think his time as a starter is just about done. I think you guys hating on McNabb's past have been watching different games than I have. He was never elite, but he was pretty good. He was also real injury prone, but remember. The guy played one whole game with a broken leg.

He was mediocre most of the time, had 3-4 good years, and one elite year.  That pretty much sums up his career.  Had he won the big game, like Roethlisberger, he might be remembered in a different light.  Winning the superbowl makes a big difference in the career achievement race.

 :ye_gods:

I find it odd that they could have gotten Leinart.  Surely he's a better option than the three slugs they've got on the roster.  

Leinart is awful. His career passer rating is like a 70 vs. Jackson's 86. He lost his starting job to Derek Anderson the year AFTER Anderson had that historically awful season in Cleveland. I'd be betting on Jackson over him for sure.

There is too much attention and praise showered on the modern elite quarterback. The Tom Bradys, Peyton Mannings and Aaron Rodgers of the league are celebrated as genius demigods, just because they can make split-second decisions and deliver precise passes while being chased by gigantic men who spent an entire week figuring out ways to injure them. Blah fucking blah. The more compelling narrative is that of the modern failure. Because when things go wrong for an NFL quarterback, they go spectacularly wrong. And there will be no shortage of that this season. On-field arguments. Botched handoffs. Locker room backstabbing. Seeing that unfold is way more fun than watching Brady sling the ball around for a bit, droneishly drop clichés at the press conference, then go home to the hottest woman on the planet.

This year, we're going to make it even more interesting, using an old trick: adding a draft, a scoring system, and gambling.

Start writing an e-mail to seven of your friends now, because you don't have much time to get going on your own Bad Quarterback League. The steps are simple:

1. Find eight people dumb enough to participate in a Bad Quarterback League.
2. Set the stakes.
3. Draft four NFL teams using a snake-style draft.
4. Each week, choose two teams to start (you can start a team no more than 13 times a season and no less than five times a season). Just so we're clear — you're drafting a team, and you get every quarterback on that team.
5. Check Grantland each week to get the scoring from the weekly scorecard.
6. Remember that every QB on your roster is eligible for 24/7 points. That means even if you didn't start the Seahawks on Sunday, you still get the 150 points when Tarvaris Jackson's penis appears on a blog on Tuesday.
The Scoring System

POSITIVE POINTS:

Benched during game (non-injury): 35 points
Concussed: 10 points
Interception for TD: 25 points
Interception (non-TD): 5 points
Fumbles lost: 5 points
Fumbles kept: 2 points
3-turnover game: 12 points
4-turnover game: 16 points
5-turnover game: 24 points
6-turnover game: 50 points
No passes of 25+ yards: 10 points
No passing/rushing TDs (QBs only): 10 points
Under 200 passing yards: 6 points
Under 150 passing yards: 12 points
Under 100 passing yards: 25 points
Under 50 percent completion rate: 5 points
Under 40 percent completion rate: 15 points
Under 30 percent completion rate: 25 points
Teammate/Coach/Fan argument on sidelines replayed replayed on SportsCenter: 15 points

24/7 POINTS:

Arrested: 50 points
Detained/questioned by police: 10 points
Practice/locker room fight (physical): 20 points
Apology press conference: 75 points
Penis picture on blog: 150 points
Official vote of confidence from coach: 10 points
Bitching about his linemen: 10 points
Suspended: 50 points per game

NEGATIVE POINTS:

300-349 yards passing: -6 points
350-399 yards passing: -9 points
400+ yards passing: -12 points
75+ yards rushing: -8 points
3 passing/rushing TDs: -5 points
4 passing/rushing TD’s: -10 points
5 passing/rushing TD’s: -20 points
Game-winning drive (last two minutes): -12 points

He also threw into the dirt like he was running infield practice. I have never seen a QB throw more low uncatchable balls in my life. He was mediocre at best, and once his legs went he wasn't even that. Grossly overrated his whole career.

6 Pro Bowls.  C'mon.  It is ok to hate good players, but that hate doesn't make good players bad players.  Does anyone believe McNabb won't be a Hall of Famer? 

6 Pro Bowls.  C'mon.  It is ok to hate good players, but that hate doesn't make good players bad players.  Does anyone believe McNabb won't be a Hall of Famer? 

McNabb has a career QB rating of 85.7 and no Superbowl ring.  That's about like Boomer.  It's also a lot like Farve, yet Farve has the ring.  Without a ring Favre doesn't look nearly as good, in my opinion.

Sure there is.  Marino was the highest statistically productive passer of all time for a while and merits discussion in the all time greats.  He was on shitty teams a good deal of the time.  I just don't have much interest in losers and a guy of his talent level should have been able to bring home some trophy.

Hey, I'm a McNabb fan/apologist but I don't think he's Hall of Fame material. I just don't think he's as bad as the haters say. He won't be in the Hall because he has no ring and his stats aren't the gaudy numbers that a guy without a ring like Marino has.

I want to go on record as stating that I'm not a McNabb hater.  He was good in his prime.  I just happen to think that he is past his prime. 

Marino was dazzling and put up phenomenal numbers. His lack of SB shiny, it can be argued, could be due to poor Dolphin defenses during that period (that were just a shadow of the 70's legacy Killer B unit that they tried to emulate way too long, just as Noll and Steelers faded in the later 80s.

Sure there is.  Marino was the highest statistically productive passer of all time for a while and merits discussion in the all time greats.  He was on shitty teams a good deal of the time.  I just don't have much interest in losers and a guy of his talent level should have been able to bring home some trophy.

FYI, the Killer B defenses where from the early 80s.  The Dolphins had the #1 defense statistically the year they lost the SB to the Redskins.  The great 70s defenses where the 'No Name' defenses.

That makes no sense for HOF criteria in a team sport. He's very clearly at least in the top 5 QBs of all time. It isn't like he was the guy holding them back.

Should we talk about Barry Sanders next?

Well, looks like Manning is out until at least November.

It is my fault- I killed him. I kept him in my keeper league.

I think there is a pretty good chance his career is over.

We may have just watched the real superbowl right there.

Loved the game.  Sproles' role is interesting and will drive defenses nuts.  That one play up the middle was impressive.  His threat will keep safeties honest.

You obviously didn't look at my picks  :awesome_for_real:

Bills are coming through for me today in a huge way. Good job Stevie Johnson!

49ers and Seahawks are putting on the most god-awful display of football of the week.

Watching the Steelers get dismantled has made my entire week.  It's not that I dislike the Steelers, it's that I dislike their fans.  Not having to listen to them for a week at work is like a gift.  

Its my only regret about being on vacation right now and out of town .  The city apparently went completely apeshit over it.   I had to settle for running around the condo I'm renting screaming my head off.  God, what a game.

Yeah RZ is the tits. Nothing like 8 hours of no commercial football!

I'm not a fantasy football guy, but Roethlisberger isn't a stat stuffer.  I wouldn't have expected him to be a good fantasy pick. 

Who would have figured I should have started Cutler instead of Big Ben?

I have Rivers (who I started) and Cutler. Cutler actualy scored slightly higher. The guy has had 16 300 yard games in his career.

Highest scoring entry on my FF team so far this week? Bear's Defence.

 :drill:

I have Rivers (who I started) and Cutler. Cutler actualy scored slightly higher. The guy has had 16 300 yard games in his career.

Highest scoring entry on my FF team so far this week? Bear's Defence.

 :drill:

Rivers is likely to perform well every week though.  I wouldn't count on Cutler being that consistent.

And not having a big, strong back to grab those 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 situations is going to kill them

What people see in this guy, I have no idea, but he plays in a divison where he's going to get stomped anyway, so who cares? Hell, I think the Bills finish better than them because I actually think Fitzpatrick is a decent QB

I wouldn't go THAT far. Fucking hate the Wildcat.

KC is the new Carolina.

Sounds like an ACL for Charles. Proper fucked.

Who would have thought that after 2 weeks the team that has scored the most point is....the Bills??? :ye_gods:

There needs to be a penalty for when a QB looks longingly at a ref trying to draw a roughing penalty.

Also, nice to watch Mike Vick get taken out of the game by the helmet of his own guy.

Followed very closely by the Lions!

And his team is 0-2.  

Cam may be the first QB since Peyton to come out of the SEC and actually be worth a damn.

I find it funny how ballyhooed Tim Tebow was/is, yet not much said about Cam Newton, until he actually got a starting nod.

Actually, he breezes through the checkout there because he has no line.  :rimshot:

Matt Leinart had 400 yards in a game his rookie year.  Just sayin'...  :awesome_for_real:

Oh hey, another black quarterback has his work ethic and smarts questioned immediately on hitting the league, what are the odds?

Oh hey, another black quarterback has his work ethic and smarts questioned immediately on hitting the league, what are the odds?

Meh, I'm not trying to single any of you out, the media drives this stuff as much as anything. But it happens every. Single. Time.

Meh, I'm not trying to single any of you out, the media drives this stuff as much as anything. But it happens every. Single. Time.

So, the Giants are a really bad team that manages to win on talent and dumb luck.

Hey, I'll take the defense making the clock stop by being soccer pussies with fake injuries

Best part of the Monday night game was watching Laurinitis play.  The guy is a beast. 

That was a terrible MNF game. I lost all interest by halftime.

Ha, I remember that but I didn't think it actually hit him at the time. Any gifs yet of the two Giants dropping at the same time for an injury timeout?

Haha what the shit, how is that not a penalty?

Easy solution: You go down on the field, you sit out 15 mins of game time at a minimum. 

So American football and swinging around to World football antics. Great. I think, however, that the whole "be a man / suck it up" mentality will push this shit away fairly quickly. I have to believe faking an injury in the NFL is taboo with all the manly stories of players playing hurt.

Unless of course this is whiplash from all the tiptoeing around head injuries and not being able to come back into a game even though they "feel fine." I can see that as well.

Yep. If you're injured enough to go down, you're out for a period of time. I would say the series.

Also, you should apply this thinking to defenses only.

Dear Giants,

Most NFL teams, when they go up 14-0 in the first quarter, tend to not just be content with that and actually try to get more points. You might want to look into that.

signed,
People that felt good picking you an hour ago.

@MikePereira (https://twitter.com/#!/MikePereira/status/118105209993035777): On Knox punt return, #21 held the gunner and he grabs and pulls him from behind early in the kick, you can only see it in the live shot. #Week3

People always forget that the Bills-Pats matchups are for whatever reason always interesting.  Even last year when the Bills had this completely god awful record, the Bills Pats game was a lot closer than you'd think it should have been.  Congrats to the Bills though for winning the close one today. 

Do I want to know how the Dolphins lost by 1?

Did you mean Wes Welker?

Minnesota? You suck hard. Any team that has Adrian Peterson should NEVER lose a 20 point lead. EVER. What's so hard about AP right, AP left, AP up the middle for maintaining possession? And not just once but three straight games they blow second half leads? The Lions are for real. The catch Calvin Johnson made in overtime was fucking incredible. If Stafford can stay healthy, that team is going to be good for a while.

Breaking Down the Viking Funeral

Since Brett Favre threw that interception in the 2009 NFC Championship Game, the amount of fun involved with being a Vikings fan has declined at a seemingly constant rate. Blowing leads in three consecutive games has not stopped this inexorable march toward relocating the team to Los Angeles. Take heart, Vikings fans: You've had leads in three consecutive games heading into the second half, which is a pretty good sign that there are going to be some wins on the horizon. But don't blame Donovan McNabb.

The biggest difference between the way the Vikings play during the first half of games and the second half has been the relative disappearance of their pass rush. During the first half of their three games so far this year, the Vikings have sacked opposing quarterbacks on 10.3 percent of their dropbacks. No team had a sack rate higher than 9 percent last season, so that would make the first-half Vikings pass rush just about the best unit in football.

During the second half, though, things change. The Vikings have sacked the opposing signal-caller on just three of their 75 dropbacks, which produces a miserly sack rate of 4.0 percent. The worst pass rush in football last year sacked quarterbacks 4.3 percent of the time, so that's right — the Vikings have swung from an elite pass rush to a terrible one during the two halves of their games this year. If they can maintain their pass rush through a full game, well, they'll start winning.

What was wrong with your center lineman tonight? Like 3 or 4 totally fubared snaps to your QB.

Can't help but feel that Houston not putting Pittsburgh away with a ton of stupid penalties might come back and bite them in the ass in the second half. Wow. Just so many braindead decisions.

Can't help but feel that Houston not putting Pittsburgh away with a ton of stupid penalties might come back and bite them in the ass in the second half. Wow. Just so many braindead decisions.

I don't know how the Browns beat the Dolphins, they are a bad team.  Browns couldn't hold on to a ball if it was dipped in glue .

Pretty sure the local pee-wee team could beat the Dolphins.

OMG LIONS! 

Maybe Barry will come out of retirement to get a ring!!!

Tony Romo continues to be a cocksucking choke artist.

Paelos knew more than most people realized.   He said this almost a month ago.

Even the rookie Cobb could start on other teams.

I will gladly eat my 7-9 prediction for the Lions this year...They are doing what they haven't done in ages (besides win), and that is win close games. They seem to have that killer instinct now that they have sorely lacked. They also have a defense that, once they wake up at halftime, can put some serious pressure on a QB. They are playing strong football.

Also, they could still easily end up 7-9. I've been burned by the Lions for so many years it's still hard to accept victory.

I'm having a hard time getting motivated to watch tonight's game. Tampa isn't great, but can anyone convince me that the Colts will be competitive without Peyton?

Who the fuck is Curtis Painter and where did he come from?   :ye_gods:

Judge Romo when he's uninjured, and has both Dez and Miles in the game.

Then we'll see how the Cowboys look. Thank God we get a bye this week. We need it.

And now the delusional Cowboys fan come out to play.   :grin:

They aren't the worst 3-1 team though! :why_so_serious:

The Titans have both a running back AND a QB. The Niners are missing one of those.

The 49ers run defense is very solid, I'd say they have a chance to beat TB. I expect to lose to Detroit though.

Hasselback. When he's not injured, he's actually having a really good season.

I think the X-Factor in the NFC right now is the goddamn Giants. This is an AWFUL team at 3-1 - terrible injuries, no names playing in key skill positions, weak in the secondary. They beat the Eagles because their defensive line manhandled the opposition and the Eagles defense are shitty tacklers.

So you can take your hate, for now, and stick it up your ass.

Ohhhhhh the Giants fan gets 3 wins and they are world beaters, folks! Eli 4 Prez!

Make sure that O line doesn't kill him before your bye week.

That's the old passer rating, not QBR:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7050006/nfl-week-4-total-qbr-season-leaders

He's 8th in QBR, which is still pretty good.

Hooooooldon.

Statistically, right now Eli is sitting at 104 WBR sitting right behind the ungodly Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady.  3rd best in the league sir.  Suck it haters.

Let's address the no name part.  Bradshaw, while not elite, is certainly not a no-name back, 1200 yards last year in his first year as a starter while splitting time.  Nicks is a premier wide receiver.  Our #2 and #3?  Meh. Manningham is a empty headed idiot, and Cruz is an up and comer when could still be classified as a flash in the pan.

Our secondary isn't bad honestly though we did lose our best CB in the preseason.  I would rate it middle of the pack right now.

This should make Haemish happy.  Henne out for the year (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-hyde-column-1005-20111004,0,7067472.column). 

Is Haemish the backup QB?

It ought to be good news for Dolphins' fans. They should go out and get Garrard who has somehow not found a job. How the fuck does that happen when guys like Rex Grossman and Tavaris Jackson are STARTERS?

Or they could just see how long it takes for Matt Moore to get injured for the season trying to throw without a running game.

Hasselback. When he'snot injured has an o-line, he's actually having a really good season.

Or they could talk to Cincinnati and negotiate a deal for Carson Palmer.

Palmer, no great shake (only 2 great seasons, and one of them was at USC), but better than what they got.

Or maybe they could press Brett Favre to come out of retirement, or maybe even lure Dan Marino. Bob Griesie, OTOH, might be a tad too old…

Holy shit. How bad does your organization have to look to decide that you'd rather just not play football then play in Miami at QB? Garrard and Delhomme told them to get bent?

I go back to my stance that they should just run the Wildcat more.  It'll be fine.

Too bad they got rid of all their Wildcat RB's and got Reggie Bush instead.

Holy shit. How bad does your organization have to look to decide that you'd rather just not play football then play in Miami at QB? Garrard and Delhomme told them to get bent?

The Cruz TD against the Eagles where the two defenders actually tackle each other on the sidelines while Cruz prances by them?

Yeah, that shit won't happen for the Giants when they play the second half of the season. They have games against Buffalo, NE, GB, NO, Washington, Jets, and 2 against Dallas. Going 4-4 in that stretch would be freaking miracle for them.

I've seen the Giants play in 2 of their games. They lost to the Redskins, their secondary getting mostly owned by... SUPER BOWL QUARTERBACK Rex Grossman. Their victory against the Eagles was due to 2 things as I said: an Eagles secondary that couldn't tackle my dead grandmother in the open field and a defensive line that SHREDDED a really shitty Eagles O line. They required a shitty call by the refs to beat Arizona. And they beat a St. Louis team that is really fucking awful.

Yes, Eli has some good numbers. He's not making the mistakes he normally makes. But he's had some real GIFTS for TD throws. Brandon Jacobs pass for a TD in Philadelphia, two long passes to Cruz in Philly. This Giants team is a lucky 3-1. They aren't as bad as the Niners, but they aren't what I would call good.