SWTOR

[Fordel]

But yeah, Kaiden was one of the ones I was thinking of being accused of being a whiner when he barely even complains about anything. Fordel was going on and on about how Kaiden whines about his headaches while I was playing through ME1 the first time, so I kept expecting it to come up. The person who told me he had them at all was Dr. Chakwas, and there was a single elevator banter between Kaiden and ... Boring Blue Girl whose name just fled my memory. And he was all "Meh, it's fine, I'm used to them." That's it. He never mentioned them to me directly at all!

Kaiden didn't shut up about them to me! Don't make me replay ME1 to check! 

[UnSub]

I don't really remember Kaiden whining about anything either. The conversation options were all about you finding out his history, so that's what he talked about. The other options are the romance for the FemShep or getting his opinion about how things are going.

It's like complaining that all Thane talked about was his kid and illness - he mentions him and it is a mission arc, but there's a context to it as well.

Of course, the real reason that Kaiden was a lousy biotic was because he didn't have boobs.

[Fabricated]

...

Damn you, Mission. The Republic and the Jedi might pride themselves on being just and righteous, but under their rule you grew up living in a sewer and eating garbage. Who pulled you out of that shithole? Who whisked you off the planet just before it got bombed into the stone age? Who took time out from his very important quest to dick around in the middle of the fucking desert rescuing your worthless piece of shit brother from sand people? Without me, you never would have learned about your brother's death at their hands, because the garbage dump you lived in would have come down around your ears in a fucking holocaust of orbital bombardment.

And how do you pay me back? You spit in my fucking face with that silly "But the Sith are EVIL!" bullshit. I expected that sort of crap from Jolee and Juhani, and that simpering dipshit Carth, but not from you. You might not be "evil" but I had come to think of you as at least being halfway smart. (You were so damned pragmatic when we slit the throat of that silly blind leader of your old gang on Taris!) I mean I was prepared to tolerate a little bit of lip, but when it became clear that even your emo throw-rug of a wookie wasn't going to back you, it was time to quit sticking up for a regime that never gave a shit about you and throw your chips in with the only people who ever did you any favors.

But no, instead you call me out. Right there in front of my brand new apprentice and the rest of my followers. You force me to kill you, no pun intended. You ignorant little bitch, what made you think I even had the option of backing out at that point? The die had been cast, blood had already been shed. What the hell did you think was going to happen?

But it's all right. I don't really blame you.

I blame Carth.

Maybe you didn't know better, but he should have. In fact he certainly did, given the way ran for the hills once he realized what was happening. I blame him for not buying your life with his own. All that wannabe-hero horseshit he talked, and in the end he ran like a coward and left a teenage girl to face two Sith alone, with little more than a cry of "Run away!" over his shoulder as he fled. It ought to have been HE who stayed behind to die extolling the virtues of the Republic while YOU ran off into the woods.

The new Emperor of the Galaxy will not be kind to Carth, when he finally catches up to him.

Not gonna lie, this gave me douchechills.

[Modern Angel]

Bah.  Bah, I say. 

It's so big after patching that it's going to literally (LITERALLY) eliminate them from digital sales in most countries with a monthly cap. There are going to be tears.

[Malakili]

Well, thats one way to move boxes off shelves.

[Modern Angel]

I would only agree if I thought most potential buyers didn't view the computer as a magic box which just does things because of fairy dust. There are going to be people who buy this digitally that can't get it on their machines, have no idea why and it's going to be fucking amazing. I'm certain there will be a resounding cry of IT IS BETA STFU but they could halve this fucking thing and I still don't know how they manage digital installs.

[01101010]

/apply miracle installer along with patch? 

[luckton]

Oh I'm sure with something this big we'll 'eventually' get a streaming client akin to Guild Wars/WoW Cata.  Shame we couldn't get one to start, but I understand how those work.

[Surlyboi]

Hahaha, the size of this install. You only wish it was 40GB. This is going to blow your fucking mind.

Fucking this.

It's gonna take about two goddamn days at this rate. My connection would choose to shit the bed this of all weeks.

[Rasix]

 

[tmp]

Of course, the real reason that Kaiden was a lousy biotic was because he didn't have boobs.

He also dares to speak his mind when his opinion differs from Shepard's which is a grave mistake for NPC to make (see: Sjofn's theory of sucking the player's dick, which i happen to agree with)

[Rasix]

I never really got to know Kaiden.  He didn't have boobs, and he was a biotic.  Ash had boobs, a badonkadonk, an assault rifle, and a smattering of xenophobia. Liara was blue with blue boobs. 

Poor white dude in space, he never stood a chance.

 

[Amaron]

I think ultimately the problem is you don't actually know what the word whining means. Kreia is lecturing you.

I agree I'm using the word whining differently than all of you.   To me it means "bitches nagging me with telepathic lectures while I rack up light side points to feel good about myself"  .   I am still very bitter about the telepathic bit.  Bitch was supposed to stfu and stay in the cargo hold. 

[sam, an eggplant]

they could halve this fucking thing and I still don't know how they manage digital installs.

Well 20GB is much easier to swallow than 40GB, but regardless, it's clearly a huge problem. Maybe they'll put free "trial" DVDs in stores and whatnot for digital purchases-- but we're still talking 5 dual-layer DVDs. That's an expensive proposition. And of course the game will only grow with live patches and expansions.

[Zetor]

Are the clients going to be different for US/EU / is there going to be region locking?

I always end up going for the digital DL option for MMOs since that's the easiest way of getting the US version... looks like this time it may be better to have one of my guildies buy the box and snail-mail it instead 

[Sky]

40GB would run me about 28 hours or so 

Yeah, this whole Origin debacle should be fun to watch.

[Amaron]

I was assuming that 40gb is the install size right?  There's no way the actual download is going to be that big.   That's gotta be at least under 20 gigs.

[Sheepherder]

Not gonna lie, this gave me douchechills.

Use warmer water?

What have we come to if a nerd isn't free to preen his luxurious neckmane in a KOTOR thread?

EDIT: The YouTube video I watched of that ending is goddamn hilarious.  He really does just run off like a bitch, abandoning Mission.

EDIT2: I blame Amaron.

[WindupAtheist]

He also dares to speak his mind when his opinion differs from Shepard's which is a grave mistake for NPC to make (see: Sjofn's theory of sucking the player's dick, which i happen to agree with)

I'm cool with this in an NPC, but only if I'm able to cut their fucking head off on a whim. That's why they'll never top the Baldur's Gate series. You could just do any goddamn thing you wanted. Pickpocket quest items, sack towns, mind control people and make them fight to the death, whatever.

The magical "Can't kill me, I'm story-relevant!" field only extended to a bare handful of characters, none of whom were party members. Which isn't to say party members didn't have stories. They did, but BioWare just wasn't anal enough yet to scream "Wasted content!" if you happened to murder a few of them. There were way more of them than you could possibly recruit at once anyway.

If KOTOR had been built with the freedom of BG, Carth would have lived for about five fucking seconds after Revan woke up on Taris in my game. Mission would have been abandoned by Biff the Understudy.

[Sjofn]

But yeah, Kaiden was one of the ones I was thinking of being accused of being a whiner when he barely even complains about anything. Fordel was going on and on about how Kaiden whines about his headaches while I was playing through ME1 the first time, so I kept expecting it to come up. The person who told me he had them at all was Dr. Chakwas, and there was a single elevator banter between Kaiden and ... Boring Blue Girl whose name just fled my memory. And he was all "Meh, it's fine, I'm used to them." That's it. He never mentioned them to me directly at all!

Kaiden didn't shut up about them to me! Don't make me replay ME1 to check! 

I think you better, because he seriously did not once mention them to me himself in either playthrough I did.

[WindupAtheist]

Not gonna lie, this gave me douchechills.

I'd like to think that Carth sat there on that planet, trapped without a ship of his own, for the rest of the war. That maybe he salvaged a receiver out of that temple and sat there for months, eating rats and wiping his ass with leaves, listening helplessly as Revan gutted his precious Republic, screaming in frustration as Canderous and his Mandalorians dropped onto Coruscant and executed the Galactic Senate at the command of their Sith master.

Then, once it's all over except for the cleaning up, the Ebon Hawk appears over that planet one more time. Right over the temple where Carth can see it, because he's supposed to see it, so he can start running. Revan and Bastila step out of the ship calmly, unconcerned, and Bastila pouts like the overgrown schoolgirl she is when Revan tells her to stay with the ship. Then he lopes off into the woods and begins stalking Carth.

It would have been much simpler to just have a cruiser stop by and glass the entire vicinity of the temple at any point over the last few months, but Revan's been saving this, waiting for this, waiting until the war was won and he could tear himself away to take care of some personal business. He has his lightsaber with him, but only because he's resolved never to trust Bastila. He doesn't plan to use it. A lightsaber is too quick, too clean, too good for his victim.

When he finally catches up to an exhausted Carth some hours later, it'll be a plain ordinary knife he guts him with. Not even a vibroblade, just a bit of cold steel. He won't say a word as he does it, but as Carth fades for the last time he'll know why Revan chose to do this so personally. He'll know.

Bastila won't. She'll wonder why Revan bothered to go to all the trouble, given that Carth never managed to actually oppose him in any meaningful way. Revan won't explain either, because while Bastila is a powerful and useful pet, he knows that she's basically an idiot, an infant infatuated with the most banal aspects of the Sith, and would view his motivations as weakness. He'll just get back in the ship and take off, content, feeling no need to justify himself to anyone.

And that's why he was truly evil. Not because he carried a red lightsaber, or kicked a lot of puppies, or because he chose to overthrow the previous "good" political regime, but because he could murder a teenage girl in cold blood and then perform flawlessly the mental gymnastics required to pin sole responsibility for the act on someone who had already fled the scene before the fatal blow was ever struck. If he were stronger, if he were better, he would have hit Mission over the head, left her sitting on the beach alive, and then dared Bastila or anyone else to so much as say boo about it before going on with his conquest of the galaxy.

At least, that's why my Revan was evil.  

[luckton]

 

These last couple pages of fanboy-ism continue to deliver.  Please, continue.

[Shatter]

F the digital download on this game then, Im going CE box(assuming they have one).  I'll makeup some dumb excuse to leave work early like my mom is having surgery then drive my ass to the local Gamestop to get my reserved copy while the stupid clerk looks at me wondering what the hell game is this.  Gimme that, I'll get in my car and speed home while I drive with my knees and rip that package open so I can find the game manual open it up and sniff the fresh ink.  This will be the highlight of SWTOR.

[Malakili]

F the digital download on this game then, Im going CE box(assuming they have one).  I'll makeup some dumb excuse to leave work early like my mom is having surgery then drive my ass to the local Gamestop to get my reserved copy while the stupid clerk looks at me wondering what the hell game is this.  Gimme that, I'll get in my car and speed home while I drive with my knees and rip that package open so I can find the game manual open it up and sniff the fresh ink.  This will be the highlight of SWTOR.

Games don't come with manuals anymore, sorry to ruin your fantasy.

[Surlyboi]

Yeah, but the CEs generally tend to come with art and lore books these days, so he can sniff the ink on those.

[Lantyssa]

This is an EA game.  You'll be lucky to get an insert...

[luckton]

This is an EA game.  You'll be lucky to get an insert...

Yeah, an insert of Origin up in your 

[Modern Angel]

Well 20GB is much easier to swallow than 40GB

You're not following me, sir. I'm telling you that, after patching, it is a bigger install than most affordable hard drives in 2007. It is not 40GB. It is not 60GB. A *patch* might be 20GB. I'm not saying what it is because I think people should guess.

The size of the install has eliminated the following people:

1) Digital purchasers with slow connections
2) All digital purchasers outside the US
3) People with a computer older than three years
4) People with mid-range "WoW" computers now.

I'm not remotely bullshitting when I say that I've *never* seen anything approaching the size of this install. My head is still buzzing. I don't want to prognosticate because maybe they trim it drastically but I don't see how this game is a success at this size. Not for any quality reasons in-game but because it might be just that prohibitive. I mean, I can't even install the fucking thing unless I decide I'm going to ONLY play this game.

[cironian]

5 DVDs rattling around in a flimsy cardboard box? Wouldn't surprise me, judging from the last EA boxes I remember.

[Malakili]

Well 20GB is much easier to swallow than 40GB

You're not following me, sir. I'm telling you that, after patching, it is a bigger install than most affordable hard drives in 2007. It is not 40GB. It is not 60GB. A *patch* might be 20GB. I'm not saying what it is because I think people should guess.

[/quote]

Ok, I'll guess 100GB, there, someone has guessed, can we stop playing games and have you just tell us now please?

[Shatter]

I guess I'll start purging my hard drive now...

[Modern Angel]

138, after patching.

[Malakili]

138, after patching.

Sweet sassy malassy.

[Surlyboi]

Fuuuuuck. I don't have that kind of space on my partition.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Yup, I'm out.

Sure I could get a 1tb pretty cheap but I have never really needed more than 300g and switching hard drives is annoying to me.