Deus Ex 3. I shit you not.

[rk47]

I never played the first one, and have a moderate track record of liking ancient games far past their decades.

Should I play the first Deus Ex regardless?

it's hard to enjoy compared with what you play nowadays. Modern RPG shooters like Fallout 3, Bioshock & Mass Effect is less obvious when dealing with accuracy. I meant accuracy as in, waiting for the goddamn reticule to center. It took my guy 3 full seconds to centre a pistol sight crouched in the darkness when I upgraded him to 2nd training level. But the stealth elements are there, and it is entirely possible for you to not kill 90% of the enemies of your encounter to succeed, although my patience isn't that much, the game world does acknowledge how violent / stealthy you are when completing missions.

It's hard to recommend, but if you are interested, go ahead.

[HaemishM]

I never played the first one, and have a moderate track record of liking ancient games far past their decades.

Should I play the first Deus Ex regardless?

Not yes, but FUCK YES.

[Vision]

Alrighty then.

[Teleku]

Something else I read in one of those interviews:

On whether the Deus Ex menu music is coming back...

"To be decided. It's still in discussions. I can say that there probably are a few spots in the game where you might hear an NPC whistle it. There's a very subjective argument that goes back and forth. Some people say it's awesome, some people are like: 'Errr? It's a little dated.'

"I don't want you to feel that you need to defend it, because I do like the theme, but I can tell you that there's at least one guy on my team that's saying, 'No!' I think it works perfectly for the year 2000. I don't know if it lends itself to our game. I'd be surprised if it doesn't worm its way in somewhere though."

Somebody needs to garrote this one man with a piano wire.  I love that fucking song.  I'd love to hear an updated version of it.

[Lucas]

New batch of screenshots, I think:

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/55680/New-Deus-Ex-Human-Revolution-Screenshots-Released



Please don't suck 

[tgr]

They have a full year to fuck up this game if they so desire, according to that link.

[Sky]

MS will make them color code those buttons. You release on consoles, you target the mentality of people who dropped out of school in 8th grade. LCD ftw.

[caladein]

Figured this is a good place to put it: both Deus Ex titles for $5 on Steam.

[K9]

Figured this is a good place to put it: both Deus Ex titles for $5 on Steam.

 

[Lakov_Sanite]

having never played either, is it worth it?

[Rasix]

Uhh. Yes.  Deus Ex is worth far more than $2.50 even with its outdated shooter mechanics.

[Ard]

As someone who's been playing it for the first time the last few weeks, ditto what Rasix said.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Link says $20

[Rasix]

I think it was a 24hour deal. 

[eldaec]

Deus Ex on it's own only costs $10 without the deal. As -$5 is fair price for Deus Ex 2, this is as good as the special offer.

[K9]

It plays surprisingly well on a new PC, it feels a lot less dated than I was expecting. I'm enjoying replaying this more than playing through ME for the first time.

[Neva01]

Goodbye futuristic romp through a story stitched together from conspiracy theories.  Hello extended philosophical mental masturbation about cyborgs.

I greatly prefer it that way. I'm so sick of this illuminati conspiracy theory bullshit; I'll take Ghost in the Shell over that crap any time.

[Rasix]

Woah, double necroposting.  Resurrecting a dead post containing a dead poster. 

[Teleku]

Well, not really.  K9 posted today before him, and the thread has gotten posts in it the day before, so I wouldn't call it dead.

However, quoting geldonyetich and responding.   

[Neva01]

It just bugged me okay.

[Teleku]

He has that effect on people, even from beyond the (proverbial) grave.

[K9]

Necroquoting*

[Goreschach]

It just bugged me okay.

Don't you usually stick to arguing with geldon on Lum's blog?

[Lantyssa]

I wouldn't blame him for fleeing from such an existence into the dystopian future of Deus Ex.

[Rendakor]

It just bugged me okay.

Don't you usually stick to arguing with geldon on Lum's blog?

But when he argues here, geldon can't post back!

[Fabricated]

Well If Deus Ex 3 is a prequel we all know what happens then. The protagonist of 3 dies, there you go.

[Neva01]

It just bugged me okay.

Don't you usually stick to arguing with geldon on Lum's blog?

But when he argues here, geldon can't post back!

I'm so glad

[Teleku]

Well If Deus Ex 3 is a prequel we all know what happens then. The protagonist of 3 dies, there you go.

Well, it take place over 20 years before the first one.  That's a lot of lead time for him to just disappear from society, be it through retirement or hiding from the newly formed Majestic 12 or some such.

[UnSub]

I've been trying to think of a prequel that didn't suck, given that Deus Ex 3 is a prequel. Anyone able to come up with a game / film / book prequel that didn't demean the original work?

[Kail]

I've been trying to think of a prequel that didn't suck, given that Deus Ex 3 is a prequel. Anyone able to come up with a game / film / book prequel that didn't demean the original work?

I thought Metal Gear Solid 3 was pretty good.  The fact that it was set in the past rather than in the future made it a fresh take on the whole series, I thought, and the character development for Snake in the game was a lot better than what he got in the original Metal Gear.  Ocelot and other characters were pretty well done, too.

Making DX3 a prequel seems stupid to me, though.  It's going from being set in the future to being set less far in the future.  You're going to do a bunch of shit that doesn't matter because JC reformats the Earth at the end of DX anyway.  You're going to meet a bunch of characters from the original DX who you won't care about because almost everyone but the main villain is a throwaway nobody who's there only to obfuscate things for a level or two.  Maybe there will be a cameo by a ten year old Anna Navarre or something. Ugh.

[Teleku]

I've been trying to think of a prequel that didn't suck, given that Deus Ex 3 is a prequel. Anyone able to come up with a game / film / book prequel that didn't demean the original work?

Can you give some example of Prequels you felt did suck, or at least demeaned the original?  Game wise I can't think of any, and off hand I can only think of the Starwars prequels.

Making DX3 a prequel seems stupid to me, though.  It's going from being set in the future to being set less far in the future.  You're going to do a bunch of shit that doesn't matter because JC reformats the Earth at the end of DX anyway.  You're going to meet a bunch of characters from the original DX who you won't care about because almost everyone but the main villain is a throwaway nobody who's there only to obfuscate things for a level or two.  Maybe there will be a cameo by a ten year old Anna Navarre or something. Ugh.

But if you set it after the first game, it would horribly demean the original precisely because JC Denton reformatted the earth (see the stupidity that was Deus Ex 2).  I like the fact its a prequel.  Does it matter if what your involved with is negated way in the future?  They can tell a great story in this universe that doesn't have to be mega epic world changing event.  Could just be a good espionage/corporate warfare story, and if well written, could still be amazing.  There is plenty of cool shit they can do, which lets us go back and revisit the same sort of game play we loved (assuming the did a good job of translating it and improving it).

In any event, that probably doesn't matter anyways.  I'm sure the end of the game will involve the formation of MJ12 from the wreckage of the Illuminati, which will give you a nice epic conspiracy story to play with, and your actions will matter because all the events from this game resulted in all the events in the first game coming about (including the creation of the Dentons).  Tada, your actions in the prequel have great meaning.

[Kail]

But if you set it after the first game, it would horribly demean the original precisely because JC Denton reformatted the earth (see the stupidity that was Deus Ex 2).  I like the fact its a prequel.  Does it matter if what your involved with is negated way in the future?  They can tell a great story in this universe that doesn't have to be mega epic world changing event.  Could just be a good espionage/corporate warfare story, and if well written, could still be amazing.  There is plenty of cool shit they can do, which lets us go back and revisit the same sort of game play we loved (assuming the did a good job of translating it and improving it).

But Deus Ex is a game about conspiracy and secrecy.  I might be interested in a game about the founding of UNATCO, except I already know that it's a front for the bad guys.  I might be interested in a game about a young J. Manderley, except I already know that he's an asshole who's going to try to kill me in DX.  It might work in a more straightforward game, but the plot in DX was all about double crosses and secret alliances, and those kinds of stories tend not to work so well if you already know who the guys are all working for.

I suppose it's possible that they can do a good story, I just don't see what about DX would work as a prequel.  This isn't like Star Wars, where you can put some Jedi fighting some Stormtroopers in some new setting and it will still feel like Star Wars.  Deus Ex isn't really that iconic.  There's nothing in that trailer I can point at and say "THAT is from Deus Ex" rather than any other generic cyberpunk game.  The few characters which could be used in a prequel aren't really that interesting, the setting is generic, nothing about the world says to me "this is so interesting we need to devote a game to describing it".  Making it a prequel just seems like a cop-out to avoid having to deal with the DX continuity, which begs the question "if you don't like the setting and are changing the gameplay, then why are you working with the DX license to begin with?"

[Paelos]

I've been trying to think of a prequel that didn't suck, given that Deus Ex 3 is a prequel. Anyone able to come up with a game / film / book prequel that didn't demean the original work?

In movies, Batman Begins and Red Dragon both didn't suck. Also, if you count Casino Royale as the Bond Prequel, but it really just was the first novel that never got made into a movie, so I'm not sure it makes the grade.

As for games, not really unless you have a broad definition of prequel.

[Ingmar]

Red Dragon wasn't a prequel really, that book was actually written first.

Temple of Doom was a prequel and certainly had it's moments. The Scorpion King was fun and can be seen as a prequel of sorts to The Mummy.

[Soulflame]

I've been trying to think of a prequel that didn't suck, given that Deus Ex 3 is a prequel. Anyone able to come up with a game / film / book prequel that didn't demean the original work?

KotOR.