PVP Patch Coming Tuesday Dec 5th

[Righ]

• LootLink - Nada.

http://www.arkydia.com/wow/LootLink-2.0.0.zip

[Zetor]

Four words: Timecop cannot be killed.

You can thank my server for that ... or rather, Timecop, a dwarf shadowpriest from our local immature uberguild, famous for spamming "nO OnE cAn stOP tiMEcoP" in every channel constantly, and flopping his epeen all over the forums.

Crushridge: What we lack in skill, we make up in smack-talk!


Ahem... ontopic: I've been looking more and more at Ace2 mods lately to replace the old defunct ones. WitchHunt seems like a decent replacement for SpellAlert (yes, there is a built-in spellalert now, but it's only for your current target... seeing "XYZ gains Stealth" can be useful sometimes), TrinityBars is every bit as good as nurfed's bars [probably even a bit better], and ag_UnitFrames are better than Nurfed, even. I replaced old bloaty Necrosis with DoTimer and the newest incarnation of ShardTracker, etc etc.

Discord/Flexbar is probably gone for good, though... dynamically modifying hotkey banks while in combat is verboten, according to Blizzard. IIRC and whatnot.


-- Z.

[Righ]

I quite like Bartender 3, but ag_UnitFrames was a pain. The default party frame was in the same position as the default pet, and when I moved them, the frame became stuck to my pointer. No amount of clicking and button mashing would anchor the frame anywhere, and it prevented me from clicking on any buttons. I had to log out to cure it. When I logged back in, I tentatively moved the frame, and it didn't bug out. So I moved it again, and it did. Sigh. In the end I just junked the useless thing and downloaded Perl UnitFrames, which hasn't annoyed me yet.

[Nebu]

I need answer to a dumb question: 

True or False: You can obtain raid quality gear by doing nothing but PvP.

If I can obtain top tier gear through PvP, I may have interest in this game.  If I still have to grind through raid content to get items allowing me to be competitive in PvP, no chance.

Thanks for the help.

[Furiously]

I need answer to a dumb question: 

True or False: You can obtain raid quality gear by doing nothing but PvP.

If I can obtain top tier gear through PvP, I may have interest in this game.  If I still have to grind through raid content to get items allowing me to be competitive in PvP, no chance.

True to your initial statement.

But your 2nd statement about top tier... no - it's not top tier.

[Nebu]

So the only way to get the best gear in the game is by enduring long pve raids?

[Rasix]

So the only way to get the best gear in the game is by enduring long pve raids?

I'm pretty sure you'll be competitive in the top PVP gear for PVP purposes. For a while.  Down the road once we're on tier 6 gear, you may start to see a divide.  Skill does count for something though..

Have they shown lvl 70 PVP armor/weapons yet?

But yah, the bestest of the best gear will always be only obtained from raids.  I do not see this changing, ever.

[Venkman]

I thought bestest raid gear was analogous to what could be bought from Arena fights at 70? wrongo?

[Threash]

I thought bestest raid gear was analogous to what could be bought from Arena fights at 70? wrongo?

This is true.  Arena gear will get updated every season (3 months i think) to keep up with the best raid gear, but you have to earn it again.  Current pvp armor is about as good as tier 2 (theres tier 2.5 from AQ and tier 3 from naxx available), but the pvp weapons are still better than anything short of kelthuzad who hasn't even been killed in 90% of the servers.

[Rasix]

Will they be updating the baseline PVP gear, outside of the arenas?

[Threash]

Will they be updating the baseline PVP gear, outside of the arenas?

Not as far as i know, but i could be wrong.

[Morfiend]

The old PVP gear is all being upgraded. Well, not the stuff that people already have. But the new honor stuff is decent. I think its all level 70 blues.

The Arena gear is Very good, and on par with the very best PVE gear. It will take much longer to get arena gear, in less you are in one of the best PVP teams. The good part is the arena ranks reset every 3 months, but you still save any arena honor points you got from the 3 month period.

They also said they will upgrade the arena gear to stay current with the best PVE gear, and the 3 month resets are the perfict time to add this new gear when they need to.

[Kenrick]

Heh.. I'm just trying to get my .5 set semi-complete. 

[SurfD]

I dont know if i would say the PvP weapons are better then Naxx loot.  I was looking at stuff to get for my shaman for DW Enhancement build, and did a quick comparison of the High Warlord's Cleaver (1 handed axe) Vs the Bone Slicing Hatchet (1 handed axe, drops off of Noth, one of the first bosses in Naxx)  Hatchet blows the Cleaver out of the water.  Sure, there are probably a few warlords weapons that are top of the line in their Class (1 h sword, 1 h mace, or something) but most of them are surpassed by one piece of Naxx loot or another.

Granted, under the current system ,the Warlord's weapons are probably MUCH easier to get.

[caladein]

I dont know if i would say the PvP weapons are better then Naxx loot.

None of them are. It's important to remember that in terms of average Item Level, the current Epic PvP set is below T2. It's only saving grace in PvP is that... it's built with PvP in mind, but piece for piece it gets blown away by anything out of AQ40 or Naxx.

[Threash]

I dont know if i would say the PvP weapons are better then Naxx loot.

None of them are. It's important to remember that in terms of average Item Level, the current Epic PvP set is below T2. It's only saving grace in PvP is that... it's built with PvP in mind, but piece for piece it gets blown away by anything out of AQ40 or Naxx.

None? There are no upgrades at all to the sword from fankriss before kelthuzad, and the GM sword blows the fankriss one out of the water.  The dagger from cthun has one single more top damage than the gm daggers but the stats are not nearly as good, neither maexnnas fang nor harbinger of doom are better than the gm daggers (i just banked my harbinger since mutilate needs 2 main hand daggers).  I honestly have no idea about other classes so maybe i should have specified for rogues only GM weapons are still the top.

[Merusk]

The battleground servers crashing constantly are getting to be a major irritant.  I'm out 9 AB marks because the server died 4-5 mins from the end of a match.   I'm not entirely sure I got thse honor from the kills in those matches, either.   I'll never hit 23k/40 marks for my x-bow at this rate. 

[caladein]

I dont know if i would say the PvP weapons are better then Naxx loot.

None of them are. It's important to remember that in terms of average Item Level, the current Epic PvP set is below T2. It's only saving grace in PvP is that... it's built with PvP in mind, but piece for piece it gets blown away by anything out of AQ40 or Naxx.

None? There are no upgrades at all to the sword from fankriss before kelthuzad, and the GM sword blows the fankriss one out of the water.  The dagger from cthun has one single more top damage than the gm daggers but the stats are not nearly as good, neither maexnnas fang nor harbinger of doom are better than the gm daggers (i just banked my harbinger since mutilate needs 2 main hand daggers).  I honestly have no idea about other classes so maybe i should have specified for rogues only GM weapons are still the top.

Well, Caster and Hunter weapons get outclassed by at least one thing from AQ40 and Naxx each. Hell, if you discount the decent Stamina boost on the HWL's War Staff it gets beat by a Nef drop and almost beat by an AQ20 drop. Also, the lack of an actual Feral AP weapon makes a lot of things upgrades for Druids.

Still, as a Shadow Priest I'll agree with you, nothing beats the War Staff simply because it's all stats and +Dmg, nothing wasted on Crit or Hit :).

[Rasix]

Dual wield shaman is fun as hell. Somewhat gimped with the gear I've got (only half finished my melee set) before I stopped raiding. Seems like it could be a really good source of sustained DPS.

[Venkman]

Current pvp armor is about as good as tier 2 (theres tier 2.5 from AQ and tier 3 from naxx available),

Ok cool. Considering I'm still one piece shy of tier 1, I'm good with PvP weapons and armor being either analogous to or slightly better than it. I am confident I will never ever, in all my time in WoW, see Naxxramas, nor probably AQ40. I don't care enough about raiding to climb the tech tree to get there. So as long as I can PvP and continue to grow until TBC lets me play 60-70 like I did 1-60, it's all good :)

[Shavnir]

Jesus Christ I got into PvP aaaaaaaa where did my rage go to?! :(

Oh well, the warlock's more rockin than ever.

[Zetor]

No kiddin'... affliction is completely insane now. A nice change, it was useless pre-patch. Instant Howl of Terror FINALLY gives a good chance against undead rogues who get the jump (unless they also have Cloak of Shadows).

I see a lot of warlocks running around with the felguard.. honestly, I think it's overrated. At 60 you can't get shadowburn with a felguard, meaning you lack reliable burst, and the guard itself is easily CCable.


-- Z.

[caladein]

I see a lot of warlocks running around with the felguard.. honestly, I think it's overrated. At 60 you can't get shadowburn with a felguard, meaning you lack reliable burst, and the guard itself is easily CCable.

First off, Intercept + Shadow Priest = dead Priest (me). Even without that, he hits like a truck.

That said, I haven't been hit with UA or Shadowfury at all to remember. Dragon's Breath and Water Elementals, yes though, and both are not fun.

[Shavnir]

No kiddin'... affliction is completely insane now. A nice change, it was useless pre-patch. Instant Howl of Terror FINALLY gives a good chance against undead rogues who get the jump (unless they also have Cloak of Shadows).

I see a lot of warlocks running around with the felguard.. honestly, I think it's overrated. At 60 you can't get shadowburn with a felguard, meaning you lack reliable burst, and the guard itself is easily CCable.


-- Z.

Soul link with a pet that has a decent chance of living through the linked damage.  That's why I love it.

[Merusk]

What's really getting my goat is the Druid treant spell.  Pounding away on a druid, arcane shot nicely ignoring armor, viper draining them and then *BAM* 4 level 60 mobs are beating the crap out of me.

[Slayerik]

What's really getting my goat is the Druid treant spell.  Pounding away on a druid, arcane shot nicely ignoring armor, viper draining them and then *BAM* 4 level 60 mobs are beating the crap out of me.

Feign death. :)

[Slayerik]

I see a lot of warlocks running around with the felguard.. honestly, I think it's overrated. At 60 you can't get shadowburn with a felguard, meaning you lack reliable burst, and the guard itself is easily CCable.

First off, Intercept + Shadow Priest = dead Priest (me). Even without that, he hits like a truck.

That said, I haven't been hit with UA or Shadowfury at all to remember. Dragon's Breath and Water Elementals, yes though, and both are not fun.

I have to agree, the thing I have been bitching about most since the patch is friggin Felguards. Easily CC'able? Not for me they are, especially after their super fun stun.

[Zetor]

Well, I prefer the term 'duelguard' myself... yeah, it's pretty devastating 1v1, but you have to keep in mind that the FG lock has much lower dps, burst potential and utility [especially at 60]. With UA I managed to shut down a WSG heal train almost by myself, and a shadowfury lock reported that he was droppingl people faster than an arcane mage. And there are just too many ways to get rid of a felguard, even with its resistance to AOE. And after the felguard drops, the lock might as well be a 0/0/10 talent build.


Note: I am not saying felguards are weak, because they aren't. I'm just saying they don't really do more than a beastmaster hunter's pet. If the lock specs UA or shadowfury, they have a lot more to offer to a group... imo anyway. :P

Edit: Also, there's a bug currently that allows locks to retain their felguard even after they spec out of demonology, as long as they don't take a flight path or have their pets die in the world [ie. not inside BGs]. So you might in fact be fighting people who're a different spec but are abusing the bug to have a felguard too!


-- Z.

[Fabricated]

I haven't been pvping at all with my mage or warrior mains but I'll say this:

-That talent before the 41 point talent in the Frost tree that raises +dmg contribution and crit is fucking awesome. With that and the new rank of Frostbolt I now bolt for 730 on average and crit into 1400-1500.

-Devastate is fucking awesome and is probably gonna get nerfed. A guy in my Cisco class is in a Naxx guild and he said when it was on the test servers there were Protection spec warriors near the top of the DPS list.

[Paelos]

Devestate will get nerfed. They'll add a cooldown to it similar to MS, and probably up the rage cost. As it is right now, it's the same rage cost at a heroic strike and it's spammable when you're fighting major mobs, gaining rage like mad. I'm hitting for about 250-300 per shot, 6-7 time per 10 seconds. That's 9000-12000 damage a minute on one single ability for a protection warrior. That's not counting auto-attacks, other hits like shield slams, etc.

[Slayerik]

Well I am in the belief that Prot specced warriors should be VERY good at holding aggro with a 41 point talent, since they are sacrificing their MS / fury stuff.

[Xanthippe]

And the crying has started.  I logged on to hear some of my guildies complaining that the game is now ruined, since anyone can grind for a GM weapon in the bgs.  "What's the point of playing now?  Everybody can get the same gear."

Haha.

[Paelos]

And the crying has started.  I logged on to hear some of my guildies complaining that the game is now ruined, since anyone can grind for a GM weapon in the bgs.  "What's the point of playing now?  Everybody can get the same gear."

Haha.

Now we'll polish our armor with THEIR tears.

Full circle, bitches!

[Shavnir]

One of my guildmates managed to grind a HWL one hander in two days.

To quote him "honk honk".  Gooses was always an odd one.

[Merusk]

One of my guildmates managed to grind a HWL one hander in two days.

To quote him "honk honk".  Gooses was always an odd one.

I've only PvP'd about 6 hours in total since Tuesday, and I'm 1/2 way to my Grand Marshall x-bow (or gun..) and Alliance loses AB a hell of a lot.  It's damned easy to get these.  I'm pleased.