PVP Patch Coming Tuesday Dec 5th

[SurfD]

druid?  Stock up on a lot of mana regen items, play AV, and just moonfire everything you see.  Tab, moonfire, tab, moonfire, tab, moonfire.   Probably the most efficient way to get taps on things and get a decent amount of honor.  Maybe throw in a hurricane every once in a while.

[Reg]

I always felt like a jerk for moonfire spamming but yea, it really was my most effective tactic. What kind of build do you think is best for PvP catassing as a Druid? Feral or moonkin? I've been restoration based up until now but with the talent points coming back on patch day I can respecialize for free.

[SurfD]

I would only go feral if you have some decent feral gear to support it.  It also depends on what BG's you like to play.  Feral is better suited for small BGs (bear tank druids in heafty feral gear make incredible flag runners in WSG).  OOMkin is probably better for moonfire spamming in larger BGs, where getting taps / damage on as many people as possible while staying alive is your faster road to honour.

[caladein]

I always felt like a jerk for moonfire spamming but yea, it really was my most effective tactic. What kind of build do you think is best for PvP catassing as a Druid? Feral or moonkin? I've been restoration based up until now but with the talent points coming back on patch day I can respecialize for free.

Rejuv spamming was pretty effective for me if you stay on the Offense. But a good Feral build is helpful if you're going to try and ninja towers which is insanely effective. If you end up killing all the Lieutenants (like you should), you should get around 500 Honor a game, or about 1200-1500 Honor per Hour (2.5-3 games). Killing the Lieutenants is a lot more important then staying up in the front though.

[caladein]

Just finished writing a guide to the AddOn/macro changes in this patch for my guild, hopefully the F13 crowd can find it helpful.

First off...

BACK UP YOUR INTERFACE AND WTF FOLDERS BEFORE YOU START PLAYING. START FRESH.

• Emergency Monitors and Decursive: Anything that can select a target and a spell (specific rank included) for you in combat is gone. Decursive/Detox, Healer's Assist/CTRA's Emergency Monitors, CastOptions' Rank Selection are examples of the functionality now removed. Or... more precisely:
  
  

  The following are some items that will not work
  

  • Sorting raid frames by HP/MP
  • Decursive mods like the Auras frame
  • Hiding UnitFrames for out of range units
  • Automatically changing action buttons (Autobar mainly)
  • Any macro that has /script in it
  • Addons choosing items to use in combat

  For buffs, the default UI now automatically selects the appropriate rank.
  
  
• "Dumb" Macros: A favorite macro of mine on my Druid is:
  
  

Code:

/cast Ravage;
/cast Shred;

That won't work anymore as the first action to fail in the macro kills it. On the (big) upside, they've added a ton of new functionality to the the /cast command. The new version of my macro would look like:

Code:

/cast [stealth] Ravage; Shred;

or

Code:

/cast [nostealth] Shred; Ravage;

Here's a great guide to some of the new options (and with decent examples).

• Other Weirdness: The in-combat restrictions are giving authors fits in weird ways. This is apparently the case with X-Perl (and Perl before Rogue has a chance to say anything) and a few other AddOns you wouldn't think would have trouble.

Remember, check WoWInterface, Curse, and WorldOfWar before succumbing to generic despair :P. WorldOfWar has a neat list of all their 2.0-compliant mods.

A short, not really ordered list of what does work (with new versions):

• The majority of Cosmos mods with the exception of:

• AllInOneInventory - Awaiting sarf's update
  
• BarOptions - needs permanent maintainer
  
• BetterKeyBinding - Awaiting GeoWar's update
  
• BuffOptions - Needs permanent maintainer
  
• CastOptions - Removed, no current maintainer
  
• CastTime - Working, needs permanent maintainer
  
• CharactersViewer - New version requires CharacterProfiler, debating inclusion, still awaiting Flisher's update
  
• CombatStats - Working, needs permanent maintainer
  
• MonitorStatus - Removed, no current maintainer , accepting replacement suggestions
  
• NotePad - Removed, replaced with saved variables placeholder, no current maintainer (Looking for replacement)
  
• RogueHelper - Removed, no current maintainer
  
• TackleBox - Removed, no current maintainer
  
• TrackerToggle - Awaiting AnduinLothar's update, needs major revamp to use new spell button templates in the menu
  
• VisibilityOptions - Much of this no longer works in combat and is therefore not very useful, needs permanent maintainer
  

• Atlas - http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=400
  
  
• AtlasLoot Enhanced - http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5541
  
  
• X-Perl - http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=6375
  
  
• KLHThreatMeter - http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/4204/klhthreatmeter/
  
  
• FuBar 2 - http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4571
  
  
• ItemRack - http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4148
  
  
• DruidBar - http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/129/druid-bar/
  
  
• GroupCalander - http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1675
  
  
• Titan Panel - http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1442
  
  
• OmniCC - http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=3364
  
  
• ClearFont (no update, but still working) - http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1424
  
  
• FlightMap - http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/638/flightmap/

What should be working soon:

• CTMod - "Most CT Mods are ready, but we need to test them on live to make sure the UI version hasn't changed since the Beta version. There are a few different UI versions out right now and we don't know which one will go live, so we'll need to log on and ensure functionality prior to releasing our mods." -http://ctmod.net/
  
  
• Natur EnemyCastBar - v6 should be out by the middle of the week according to the author.
• Nurfed_CombatLog - "Will probably not be ready for the patch, but i'm working on a much cleaner and faster version with a better options menu." -Tivoli
  
  
• Auctioneer - "Due to the fact that many of our developers are extraordinarily busy with real-life concerns at the moment (such as exams etc), we are postponing the release of all 2.0 addons for 2 weeks after 2.0 is released on the test realm. (this will make it around the 19th of December)" -Norganna

Unknowns:

• Discord - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=52935542&sid=1
  
  
• ItemSync - There's apparently been a closed beta going on for some time, but no word on a new version yet.
• TheoryCraft - Nothing.
• LootLink - Nada.
• OGBars and GLOCK - Author quit WoW :(.

With all that information out of the way...

Make sure to back-up your Interface and WTF folders and start clean before you enter the game for the first time. Rebuild a few mods at a time, if anything breaks, you'll have a decent idea of what it is and can help the author fix it. Again...

BACK UP YOUR INTERFACE AND WTF FOLDERS BEFORE YOU START PLAYING. START FRESH.

The formatting looks a lot nicer on phpBB then it does here... but passing out seems like a good idea at the moment. Happy Patch Day :).

[Simond]

druid?  Stock up on a lot of mana regen items, play AV, and just moonfire everything you see.

You spelt 'flame shock' wrong. :D

Caladein, thanks for the post. And now....

...Auctioneer...

On the one hand: AAAAUUUUGGGGHHH!

On the other: The markets are going to be even more interesting now. The combination of no Auctioneer for at least a fortnight (and TBH I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't get fixed before the expansion goes live), lessened consumable demand (a whole bunch of guilds on my server are planning to just up and quit raiding until mid-January due to no more decursive/CTRaid alerts + the extensive class changes in this patch), gold sellers frantically trying to offload their inventory prior to TBC (because of the significantly higher gold droprate in the expansion), people buying up twink gear for BE/draenei and renewed interest in PvP , etc etc. could make the market a little...volatile.

[Fabricated]

Oh goody, I forgot about all of my mods being broken. I don't use very many but I've gotten so used to PerlFrames, Auctioneer, CTRaid, CastOptions (or whatever one it is that automatically picks the level of a buff so you don't have to open your spellbook to give buffs to lower level players, that, and Alt+Click/number = SelfCast), Alphamap, Gatherer, and Cooldown count I dunno what I'll do without them for a bit.

[Reg]

Well buffs will automatically cast at the right level now so that's one mod you won't have to worry about.

[Fabricated]

Well buffs will automatically cast at the right level now so that's one mod you won't have to worry about.

Okay, finally. Thank god. That was such a simple fix I was wondering when Blizz would add it.

[Ironwood]

Well buffs will automatically cast at the right level now so that's one mod you won't have to worry about.

Really ?

Cool.

[Merusk]

Thanks, Cal.  I've stolen your post and I'm putting it on my guild's website.  I'll give credit to 'someone else' but we really don't want me to link them here, I think.

[Shavnir]

I think it was off of ui.worldofwar or somewhere but when I ran through my UI folder earlier today I remember finding a new Auctioneer :\

[Cadaverine]

WoWInterface had a beta version of the 2.0 compliant Auctioneer up.

[caladein]

PerlFrames, Auctioneer, CTRaid

Forums ate my slightly longer post but...

2.0 Compliant version of Perl Classic is up, minus the Raid Frames. Also, the 2.0 Compliant Auctioneer/Informant beta you guys were talking about. I miss Enchantrix though. Finally, CTMod's up for download and already getting hammered. Patch notes here assuming that WoWInterface stays above water...

[Fabricated]

Cool. I'm all updated for my most preferred mods now.

Of course, I have plenty of time to get my mods in order since the predictable patch issues have put the servers out of commission for a while.

[caladein]

I'm still shocked that all three of the big AddOn sites are still standing (especially with Curse's new site and all) to be honest.

[Righ]

They're not now, and presumably won't be for most of the evening.

[Cadaverine]

Curse, and WorldofWar are still working for me.  WoWInterface does seem to be down, though.

[Lantyssa]

WoWInterface is slow but working for me.

[Paelos]

Yeah they wrecked the game for the day. Oh and the fun of the authentication issues are back again. WOOHOO!

[Righ]

Starting afresh with no WTF = tiresome. I may write a sed script to copy the chat window setups from one character to another.

Quite like bartender3 as a replacement for ct_barmod, tho its annoying at first.

[Fabricated]

Thoughts:

-New LFG system is actually kinda decent from what I played around with.
-Goddamn it sucks having 90% of my mods broken or half functional.
-New Protection talents are fucking awesome despite the sinking feeling in my stomach I got from only putting 5 points into arms. devastate is almost too good.
-My 60 mage alt is now 100% frost. I shall miss clearcasting. I didn't pick up that water elemental thing though. Eh.
-New stats display is great but also semi depressing since I can now see in cold hard numbers how gimpy I am.
-I have a feeling that LFG interface is gonna gather dust thanks to people wanting to grind PVP to get ezpurples.

[Yoshimaru]

Thoughts:

-My 60 mage alt is now 100% frost. I shall miss clearcasting. I didn't pick up that water elemental thing though. Eh.

You went 100% frost, but didn't get the 41 point talent? When I played with my mage on the PTR's I had a ton of fun with the Water elemental, good for snagging rogues & warriors before they hit the flag capper. Unless you mainly only PvE, not getting that is a bit rediculous.

[Slyfeind]

I really like the new LFG tool, but as expected, it was mere minutes before General chat turned into LFG, complete with all the spam we know and love.

Maybe the LFG tool will catch on.

[bhodi]

mutilate is "okay" - It really seems more like a backstab alternative than a real 41 point talent. It's sort of like a hard to use backstab, and it's got a increase in difficulty from BS to the increase of SS->BS -- meaning the stars basically have to line up for you to use it effectively. When you do, it can do more damage than a backstab -- sometimes. It definately needs some love for it to be viable, PvE it simply can't compare in damage and PvPers will just go down the sub tree for prep. I'm really not sure what blizz had in mind with this one.

[Fabricated]

I almost miss /lfg really. It feels lonely in the less crowded zones now and it was somewhat entertaining to switch to LFG while doing boring quests or sitting around during a lull in a raid/instance watching the whole server argue and call eachother fags.

[Slayerik]

Hope they fix the Fubared battlegrounds servers...

[Xanthippe]

Starting afresh with no WTF = tiresome. I may write a sed script to copy the chat window setups from one character to another.

I started fresh without a WTF file.  Was so annoyed that I logged out, copied the old one back and then logged back in.

Everything seemed to work at least until the server crashed.

[Xanthippe]

I almost miss /lfg really. It feels lonely in the less crowded zones now and it was somewhat entertaining to switch to LFG while doing boring quests or sitting around during a lull in a raid/instance watching the whole server argue and call eachother fags.

I've often wondered why people don't make their own channels on servers, since if you use the same name you can use the same channel.  Like why don't people make a /mage channel or a /hunter channel or a /newbie channel?

[Jayce]

I usually just click the "Use out-of-date addons" button and life is good until I start getting script error popups :)

I'm sad that Looking for Spam Looking for Group isn't around too.  One of my favorite things while grinding away in a lonely zone was to give people a hard time in that channel.

[Righ]

Like why don't people make a /mage channel or a /hunter channel or a /newbie channel?

Have you read the WoW class forums lately?

[Xanthippe]

Like why don't people make a /mage channel or a /hunter channel or a /newbie channel?

Have you read the WoW class forums lately?

I try to stay away from all of the official forums, other than the occasional appearance on the server board or the professions board.

Surely it's not worse than the /lfg channel.... is it?

[caladein]

Starting afresh with no WTF = tiresome. I may write a sed script to copy the chat window setups from one character to another.

I started fresh without a WTF file.  Was so annoyed that I logged out, copied the old one back and then logged back in.

Everything seemed to work at least until the server crashed.

The Config.wtf file, yeah, I kept that too. I just deleted the ACCOUNT NAME folder and called it a day. Thankfully, unlike Righ, I don't have any custom chat settings apart from turning off some Combat messages when I use(d) Nurfed_CombatLog (which isn't updated yet).

Like why don't people make a /mage channel or a /hunter channel or a /newbie channel?

Have you read the WoW class forums lately?

I try to stay away from all of the official forums, other than the occasional appearance on the server board or the professions board.

Surely it's not worse than the /lfg channel.... is it?

Four words: Timecop cannot be killed. Seriously though, they are worse because at least in /LFG, people act as stupid as they are. On the class forums, they act like they might know something... except they don't. At all.

[Righ]

A selection of contemporary hunter forum threads:

Why did Bliz nerf hunters?
Petition! Auto Attack/Shot .. Change it back!
For you clowns that say its not a nerf
OP
Why we are not 'op'
We are GODS!!
Felgaurds: WHY Blizzard?
Hunter nerf
You fools bragging about your DPS
Don't go survival
SO ITS A NERF HUH!!!?!?!??!

That was from the first page.

[Merusk]

Damnit, thanks, Righ.  Now I have to go read for comedy value.   

Another guildmember and I spent almost an hour on Teamspeak last night while waiting on the servers to come up explaining to the 15-year-old hunter in my guild that, No, we're fine.  It's not a nerf.  There's new ammo, weapons get a boost, etc, etc, etc.  I think he still wasn't convinced.