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Ratman_tf
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So, which one of you has the longer ponytail?
Me! Me me! There ain't no shame in liking a bad movie. I liked the Star Wars prequels, but I know they're bad. Same for LOTR. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but millions of moviegoers and the Academy Awards disagrees with your assessment it's a bad movie. Millions of people liked Revenge of the Fallen.  And what awards did it win? Only ROTK got anything outside of effects/costumes/sound stuff. So I guess they're as good a movies as Phantom Menace.
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Sjofn
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Not seeing it, particularly the "bad acting" part.
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Simond
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Ratman_tf: Name me a good fantasy or scifi movie, in your terms.
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Ratman_tf
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Oh, I've stirred up the movie nerds now! 
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Tannhauser
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Sorry, I didn't know you were the resident cool kid. I'll go sit up front with the bus driver now.
Troll.
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Ratman_tf
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Sorry, I didn't know you were the resident cool kid. I'll go sit up front with the bus driver now.
Troll.
Considering where and what I'm posting about, I don't think I can claim cool kid status.
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HaemishM
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No, I'm with the Sheepherded on this one, LOTR was a series of movies that didn't know if they wanted to be a summer action flick, or a  adaptation of the books Ummm, they were released in the Christmas season, so they were never trying to be summer action flicks, but adaptations of the books. The only thing wrong with the Fellowship movie was the lack of the Barrows (but then we'd have had to explain Tom Bombadil, and we can do without that shit, too right) and the swords, everything else was pretty damn good. The series only started to go a little off the rails with overuse of Arwen and those fucking elves at Helm's Deep.
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Sheepherder
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The Arwen shit is the worst offender. When the most action-packed thing you can come up with for a chase scene is someone getting their face scratched by a branch and a dude in black spiked armour reaching menacingly towards a midget you should just fucking cut it. Which would have given Jackson more time to have Gandalf blowing up a hilltop because nature better not start shit with him. Or the Wight scene, sans Bombadil.
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Ratman_tf
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No, I'm with the Sheepherded on this one, LOTR was a series of movies that didn't know if they wanted to be a summer action flick, or a  adaptation of the books Ummm, they were released in the Christmas season, so they were never trying to be summer action flicks, Exactly. but adaptations of the books. The only thing wrong with the Fellowship movie was the lack of the Barrows (but then we'd have had to explain Tom Bombadil, and we can do without that shit, too right) and the swords, everything else was pretty damn good. The series only started to go a little off the rails with overuse of Arwen and those fucking elves at Helm's Deep.
Arwen was a tragedy, but I partly blame bad casting for that. Liv Tyler wasn't worth two squirts of piss in the LOTR films. Bombadil is a good cut. The Barrows cut was understandable. I got the feeling that the movie started to go off the rails in Rivendell. "You are, The Fellowship Of The Ring!(TM)" especially the awfully goofy scene where Bilbo makes a monster face at Frodo over the Ring. Was that CGI really necessary? Can't Ian Holm act without having his face farced? I was sure it was gone bad in Lothlorien with the terrible scene where Galadriel started glowing and speaking unintelligably. WTF was that all about? Again, they chose cheesy bad CGI over having the actor actually act. The Tolkien purist in me hated the Gandalf vs. Saruman, FIGHT! Scene. Just terrible. But I can kinda understand that Joe Moviegoer doesn't understand any confilct that isn't physical. And it gave them a chance to have some more special effects. SFX are always good, right? What really amuses me is how much it rips off Bakshi's LOTR. Most of their major shots and editing choices come straight from the animated movie. From little things like "Proudfeet!" to the interpretation of who attacked the party in Bree. Tolkien never says who broke into the room. Both Bakshi and Jackson interpret it as the Ringwraiths. But the book implies that it was merely human (or half orc) agents who did it. There's lots more. And after Helm's Deep, the TT and ROTK seem to go completely shit. I think it's because there was nothing left for Jackson to crib from except the Rankin Bass version of ROTK.  The movies go flat after Helm's Deep and never really recover until it's too late. That's just a slice of the problems I had with the movies. I've gone over them many times, probably here too.
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lamaros
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I didn't like the treatment of the Ents, but hey, isn't this the Hobbit thread?
(Also, the book was far more boring? How come the movie didn't have three hours of Frodo and Sam looking at dead face in water?)
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Lakov_Sanite
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I had my issues with the movies but the bakshi ripoffs were intentional homages, at least I remember hearing jackson say that somewhere.
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Sheepherder
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I didn't like the treatment of the Ents, but hey, isn't this the Hobbit thread? This is F13. We're supposed to shit on the director's previous work when discussing his new work. (Also, the book was far more boring? How come the movie didn't have three hours of Frodo and Sam looking at dead face in water?) Nine pages gave you that much grief?
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lamaros
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(Also, the book was far more boring? How come the movie didn't have three hours of Frodo and Sam looking at dead face in water?) Nine pages gave you that much grief? Whenever I opened the book up I feel asleep within 5 mins from boredom. It took me 6 months to finish. So yeah.
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Ironwood
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Christ, you're all mental. Totally fucking hatstand.
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My favourite bit of this "Hobbit" film is that we'll get to recreate all the LOTR arguments again, plus new ones about how Jackson totally left out something important / added in something superfluous. This thread is going places for at least the next 2 years.
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Ironwood
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Oh fuck NO.
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Sheepherder
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Christ, you're all mental. Totally fucking hatstand. Yes. It's like you never stopped dating, but without the payout, isn't it? Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.
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Ironwood
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That pretty much described all my dates.
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Ratman_tf
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I had my issues with the movies but the bakshi ripoffs were intentional homages, at least I remember hearing jackson say that somewhere.
I remember reading somewhere that Jackson's first exposure to LOTR was the Bakshi animated movie. No cite handy, though. (Oh, it's on the wiki for the Bakshi movie. Lotta "He said, she said" crap though.)
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Sheepherder
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That pretty much described all my dates. The first line or the second?  I may enjoy this one if he doesn't manage to beard it up by fucking with or removing the cool shit the entire length of the movie to make room for a romance story that he inserts into the movie at every possible juncture, nobody gives a shit about, and doesn't really fit in anyways. At no point should any director ever look at his Tolkien compilation and say "This would be great shit, if only I removed some of the fighting."
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Teleku
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Rather than get into another horrible LOTR argument, I'm just going to leave it at "Sheepherder, you are fucking bat shit crazy."
Bring on the Hobbits.
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Khaldun
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This is like listening to a bunch of evangelical cunts start arguing over how to interpret Scripture so that you can know for certain when the Rapture is going to happen.
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shiznitz
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I thought the battle scenes in ROTK from the Charge of the Rohirim (sp?) onward were spectacular. I don't care how close they were to the books. They were magnificent film.
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VainEldritch
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This is like listening to a bunch of evangelical cunts start arguing over how to interpret Scripture so that you can know for certain when the Rapture is going to happen.
Amen bothers! Hallelujah and pass the Silmarillion! 
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'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe; All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe.
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Ratman_tf
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This is like listening to a bunch of evangelical cunts start arguing over how to interpret Scripture so that you can know for certain when the Rapture is going to happen.
Topical! 
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Sheepherder
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Rather than get into another horrible LOTR argument, I'm just going to leave it at "Sheepherder, you are fucking bat shit crazy." I am. And you like boring movies.
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Khaldun
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Rather than get into another horrible LOTR argument, I'm just going to leave it at "Sheepherder, you are fucking bat shit crazy." I am. And you like boring movies. Intense faithfulness to original texts with massive amounts of backstory, esoterica, and narrative digressions is well-known for generating excitingly cinematic films.
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Sheepherder
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Yes, that's what I said. Exactly that.
Not "Hey, there's totally some explosions and gore and shit that Jackson totally skipped but would have been totally acceptable inclusions, but instead Jackson wanted more elf wank. What the fuck dude?"
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Margalis
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RotK was a poor film.
Nothing to do with whether or not it followed the books. Judged on it's own merits it just was not good. Overlong, bad acting, dull CGI battle scenes, complete lack of editing and restraint that has plagued Peter Jackson's recent movies. I get that nerds have some sort of duty to love the LOTR movies just because they are LOTR movies but the third one is not good in any way other than "oh hey they turned LOTR into a movie."
The stuff with Frodo and Sam looking longingly at each other every 2 feet while climbing the mountain is Mystery Science Theater grade material.
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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Ratman_tf
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, complete lack of editing and restraint that has plagued Peter Jackson's recent movies.
  Restraint has never been one of Peter Jackson's virtues.
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HaemishM
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RotK was a poor film. I think as a book, it was one of the weaker books. It was very EPIC AND BIG THINGS HAPPENING, almost Biblical in style (intentionally so) and I think that made it suffer. The movie suffered from some of the same problems, the fact that the extended edition was over 4 hours was really not helpful other than as a sop to the fans. It was especially galling that it was that long and STILL didn't have room for the Scouring, which highlighted a central theme of the whole series but whatever. I enjoyed it on its own merits but don't tend to rewatch it because I'd rather have that 4 hours to do other things.
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MuffinMan
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I've still never seen the extended RotK. Went to the release event of extended FotR, extended TT and theatrical RotK at midnight back to back to back in a theater. I haven't watched any of the movies since, it was just too much.
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Margalis
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By restraint I don't mean gore and over-the-top stuff. I mean stuff like King Kong taking an 80 minute concept and stretching it to 3 hours. NOW LET'S HAVE A PART WHERE CGI BUGS ATTACK THEM FOR FOR 15 MINUTES!
Jackson's recent movies are full of superfluous garbage and overlong shots. Apparently since he's become a golden goose nobody is willing to reign him in.
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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Mrbloodworth
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By restraint I don't mean gore and over-the-top stuff. I mean stuff like King Kong taking an 80 minute concept and stretching it to 3 hours. NOW LET'S HAVE A PART WHERE CGI BUGS ATTACK THEM FOR FOR 15 MINUTES!
Jackson's recent movies are full of superfluous garbage and overlong shots. Apparently since he's become a golden goose nobody is willing to reign him in.
And people loved it. So, whats wrong?
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HaemishM
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King Kong was an hour too long and really really crappy. I watched it once, barely made it through and have no desire to ever see it again.
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