Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

[luckton]

Without trying to bait you, there is an argument to be made that they devolved.

Just sayin'.

This guy gets it.

Well, perhaps, but I wasn't defending your way of putting it. 

I know, but you get the concept.

[WayAbvPar]

A lot to like in that video, but the horrible console interface is really offputting. Is there any concrete info about the leveling system compared to the travesty of Oblivion? That and the UI are what make me hesitate on release day purchase.

[Ironwood]

The UI did, in fact, suck baws.

Levelling just seemed to be 'the same', so not that bothered about that.

The game looked a lot better than Oblivion though, but then again I thought that about Oblivion v Morrowind and, frankly, it sucked.

I'm not entirely sure about the whole 'Big Lizard just breathed fire at you, but you shrug it off' though I'm prepared to accept God Mode on a demo.

Further, THEY WEREN'T DRAGONS.  THEY'RE NOT DRAGONS YOU STUPID FUCKS.

[Paelos]

I want them to show the interface to sell shit. That's important. My biggest fear is that I'm scrolling endlessly through my side menus so that I can sell some smarmy Bosmer my pile of roots I picked in the wilderness hidden under the piles of crappy armor I'm trucking around.

[Threash]

They looked like dragons to me.

[Ironwood]

They looked like dragons to me.

I WILL FUCKING END YOU.  THEY'RE WYVERNS AT BEST.

FOUR FUCKING LEGS AND WINGS.  THAT'S A DRAGON. 

GATAIOAINGOANSWOGNAON

[Rasix]

They looked like dragons to me.

I WILL FUCKING END YOU.  THEY'RE WYVERNS AT BEST.

FOUR FUCKING LEGS AND WINGS.  THAT'S A DRAGON. 

GATAIOAINGOANSWOGNAON

[Ironwood]

You're using that a lot and I'm sure the meaning changes every time...

[Bunk]

The UI did, in fact, suck baws.

Levelling just seemed to be 'the same', so not that bothered about that.

The game looked a lot better than Oblivion though, but then again I thought that about Oblivion v Morrowind and, frankly, it sucked.

I'm not entirely sure about the whole 'Big Lizard just breathed fire at you, but you shrug it off' though I'm prepared to accept God Mode on a demo.

Further, THEY WEREN'T DRAGONS.  THEY'RE NOT DRAGONS YOU STUPID FUCKS.

Watched the same demo at PAX. Only difference was all the yahoos in the crowd cracking horse armor jokes.

As for leveling, I get the impression that its the same in that when you have X skills go up from use, you level. I think what they did was take out the option to pick "primary" skills, so you couldn't gimp or minmax as easy. This just means you will really level based on what you do. Be curious if it means you can create a truly combat pathetic high level thief.

As for the shrugging off fire thing - the character in the demo was about 35th level.

And yes, I noticed the fact that the dragons were not dragons right off the bat. Though I thought them more Drakes than Wyverns.

[Rasix]

You're using that a lot and I'm sure the meaning changes every time...

I stole it from Yego.  Long time listener, first time caller.

You know what it means.  You've lost the center when you start counting legs.

[NiX]

You're using that a lot and I'm sure the meaning changes every time...

I stole it from Yego.  Long time listener, first time caller.

You know what it means.  You've lost the center when you start counting legs.

I knew something was off when I saw the image posted.

[Ironwood]

These things are important.

 

[Paelos]

These things are important.

 

Nobody wants to kill internet wyverns.

[Sky]

Is there some moral obligation you have where putting in a normal inventory system that people have used for the last 15 years should be replaced by scrolling shit forever?

I told you, Elder SCROLLs. UI matches the name now. Maybe they could match up the first part and your character could mutter about the galdanged whatsit being a pain in the rigamarole.

Also,


I want them to put in an easter egg for me. The chopping wood quest guy. "Seriously. You've now chopped 73 cord of wood. How many people do you think live in this hamlet, ffs?"

[Ironwood]

I think that's what happens when Wyvern fuck peacocks....

[Ingmar]

Everyone has their little taxonomic pet peeves. I fully support Ironwood's descent into madness over this topic.

[koro]

From what I understand, Skyrim's leveling system works like this:

Your race affects nothing but your look and some racial abilities
You have no major/minor/misc/etc. skills
Your highest skills are what determines what counts toward a level-up. I assume if another skill overtakes one of your highest, it begins counting instead
You get perks on level-up, Fallout-Style. They replace most of the benefits you'd normally get for raising skills in previous games

Then you have dungeons that are locked to the level you first enter them, are stuck at that level, and the fact that they get some "Completed" tag after you open all the containers and wipe out the hostiles within suggests they don't respawn.

Meh.

[Paelos]

That doesn't sound horrible.

[Ingmar]

It all sounds like an improvement to me.

[K9]

It doesn't sound so bad really.

[Paelos]

So we're agreed. Koro is being silly.

[koro]

Aside from the supposedly never-respawning dungeons, I'm pretty much fine with what I listed.

The "meh" was pretty much my complete lack of faith that Bethsoft will actually pull off the revamped leveling system without fucking it up somehow.

[MuffinMan]

That still sounds fucked up if they are leveling encounters unless there is more to it. If your non-combat skills are leveling you then monsters are going to murder you. There needs to be a hidden or even non-hidden "combat level" that they base it off.

[Bunk]

Aside from the supposedly never-respawning dungeons, I'm pretty much fine with what I listed.

I wondered a bit about this - are you eventually going to just clear an area out of anything to do?

At PAX however, it was mentioned during the demo that they have implemented a "random" quest system. So it sounds like you'll be able to go back to NPCs and get random tasks/quests/etc - which I assume would include spawning appropriate opposition.

[Sheepherder]

That still sounds fucked up if they are leveling encounters unless there is more to it. If your non-combat skills are leveling you then monsters are going to murder you. There needs to be a hidden or even non-hidden "combat level" that they base it off.

If your major skills aren't set in stone the system is self-correcting.

[Murgos]

I thought I read that they were doing 'ranges'.  When you enter an area it will spawn monsters in a range depending on your level.  So if you are 15 and go into an area for 8-12 it will spawn 12's.  If you go in a level 6 it will spawn 8's.  Oe some such.

[Sheepherder]

Just like Oblivion?

[Ironwood]

Yeah, that sounds exactly like Oblivion and it sucked.

[Sheepherder]

It did.

[Tebonas]

The mobs were always just loot pinatas in Oblivion, regardless of level.

If low level rogues don't run around with the best armor in game, I would be somewhat pleased.

[rk47]

ur joking. u'll find nothing but rats at level 1-2 dungeon runs. Apples and gems are the best stuff u can find without mod. Only extreme modding saved Oblivion from shit level scaling. I still wonder to this day why console owners find Oblivion tolerable.

[Tebonas]

I definitely fought Bandits with Glass Armor in Oblivion, and the only mod I had was the UI mod.

Whats the problem with outlevelling content anyway? Its makes the world more believable than "everything is at your power grade whereever you go".

[trias_e]

Outleveling is fine.  Glass armor bandits is not fine. 

[rk47]

My complaint was level scaled stuff. Glass armor bandits came in the later levels.
I recall visiting a tavern with the patrons wearing leather when I was level 1-3 ...and suddenly, 5 levels later, they're wearing all those shiny armor and swords. That's just fucked up.

[Ingmar]

It sounds to me like this is doing things roughly like FO3, which worked fine. There was certainly still trivial stuff out and about in the world even at high level.