Jade Raymond wants to be left alone.

[stray]

Jade suffers? Jade "suffers" maybe. Who gives a rats ass if a bunch of randoms on the internet are talking about her. It's not like we're going to fuck her, or even ever meet her.

I...don't understand. People can't take issue or come to the defense of something, except when there's some kind of possibility that they'll get laid for doing it?

Hmm

[Signe]

I want to see the comic, please.

[Hoax]

The comic is a big letdown.  Stupid, poor taste, not arousing at all, badly drawn etc.  The reaction though is rediculous.  OMG THE INTRAWEBS ARE A BAD PLACE WHERE PPL HAVE FUN AT OTHERS EXPENSE???!!!  NO WAI!!  I can't even imagine what might have happened if someone had photoshopped her face onto a naked body...

But searching for Jade Raymond comic should find it fairly quick.

The Comic  NSFW as if I really should need to say that...

[Stormwaltz]

EDIT: NM, posted previously

[Tebonas]

Edit: If it helps, I didn't follow the link previously. And I wish I hadn't now as well. What a crappy comic.

[schild]

"Your game feels so good! Uguu!"

I still think that line is funny.

[Mrbloodworth]

On gametrailers today.



Please don't show anybody the comic. We need her in the public eye more. MORE. MOOOOOOOOOAR.

You would have thought that if they were promoting the game... you would see this guy in that add.



And i think this is the root of the point.

[Hoax]

http://kotaku.com/gaming/exclusive/geek-dream-kristen-bell-%252B-jade-raymond-318799.php

Journalism, gamers, the industry's respectability, fuck everything else in between is more hurt by stupid pieces like the link above then it is by badly drawn porn comics.  What a fucking shitty site this Kotaku place is.

[Mosesandstick]

Stuff like that puts the response people have had to this comic in place, especially in terms of the feminist angle.

No one seemed to be complaining before that Jade was being sexualised or taken advantage of, but one comic and suddenly the whole games industry is full of sexist pigs.

People like having stuff to write and complain about.

[Ixxit]

That banner is not a Ubisoft banner, but a a Game Trailer banner  announcing their  interview with her.  I suspect that if only the Assassin dude was only displayed, with the same headline it would suggest that the interview is with the assasin dude and not with Jade,  who even before this comic thing was the point of contact for the press.

While I agree that there are billions of examples of "sex selling products" out there, this is clearly not one of them.  Unless of course  a person is so sexually immature  that they find an attractive women in professional dress  who is cleary  in a real position of authority comparable to let's  say the bimbos that dominate their "Big Tits at Work" fantasies.

Oh, and I am not suggesting that anyone here falls under that category.  But that's definately the mindset of many and clearly that of the comic's author.

[Samwise]

I suspect that if only the Assassin dude was only displayed, with the same headline it would suggest that the interview is with the assasin dude

 

[schild]

Yea, that was a pretty retarded post.

[Ixxit]

  Yeah, it was...absurd even....

....but  if they were interviewing Gabe for some Valve game they'd probably have a picture of him, which I was trying to get accross in a very awkward way:  It is logical that the interviewee appear in an ad for an upcoming interview. 

[Margalis]

You mean like on the f13 front page?

[Azazel]

Jade suffers? Jade "suffers" maybe. Who gives a rats ass if a bunch of randoms on the internet are talking about her. It's not like we're going to fuck her, or even ever meet her.

I...don't understand. People can't take issue or come to the defense of something, except when there's some kind of possibility that they'll get laid for doing it?

Hmm

nonono. You (or whoever) can white knight her all you like.
My point above is that neither the black knights nor the white knights are ever going to meet her or have any meaningful impact on her real life. To her, the lot of us are just randoms on the internets, so we really don't matter to her, regardless of which side of the argument you're on. By the same token, I'm cynical about the media process behind this game, but not to the point of schild, etc. I don't think she's a dumb whore/slut/whatever. I'm sure she's qualified for her job, but I'm also sure she's the face of the game because she's got a pretty one.

Aside from one random publicity still I saw a few months ago (was it in the thread about that girl with the pink hair?), I've never heard of her till now since I don't lavishly follow the development of anything anymore. ie, "wake me when it's out." I also don't give two fucks about Jade Raymond either way or really in any context. If I want pretty faces, or boobs, or faces slathered in sea men, well, I'm already on the fucking internet. My only interest in the whole topic is finding it amusing how the whole nothing was blown way out of proportion and suddenly it's the internet water cooler topic of the moment. And tinfoil hats or no, even if it was a bit of random stupidity accident this time, after this I can certainly imagine something similar being used as a publicity tool in the future. Similar to the entertainment industry's slew of "leaked" celebrity sex vids, anyone?

[stray]

Has nothing to do with being a "White Knight". I stepped in because people started making comments about her being in the industry just for being "pretty". When as far as I can tell, she has in fact done coding duties for games, and has an education that plays into it. Whether this information "effects" anyone in real life or not is irrelevant. Facts are their own reward.

[Joey]

Artist Dave Cheung Responds To Jade Raymond Drama

 
   Q: Did you Buy Jade’s Game?
    A: As a matter of fact, I did. I’ve had it pre-orderded since before I knew of poor Jade’s existence, since it looked quite nifty. Sadly, despite being promising in many areas, it gets very boring rather quickly, and has the most ridiculous plot since Star Ocean 3 (This is Jade’s game… with a Sci-fi/Horror twist). Oh well.

    Q: Why do you hate Jade? Leave Jade alone!
    A: Personally, I have nothing against her. I just found the entire situation of HER being more heavily marketed and gaining more “press” (and I use the term loosely) coverage, than THE GAME to be somewhat amusing. In fact, fair do’s to her working her way to a cushy position like “Executive Producer”, it really is the ideal job; since all you do is sit around doing nothing and get paid for it. RESULT!
    But I digress, this has nothing to do the matter at hand.

    Q: What statement are you trying to make with the Jade Comic?
    A: If you would take some time to read the links I originally posted along with the comic, you see that the primary reason for it’s existence is the “Jade Hype” on videogame forums, blogs and “news” sites like Kotaku (lolz). Although Ubi-Soft UNDOUBTEDLY whored Jade out to an extent, it really wasn’t any more than how say, Cliffy B whore’s HIMSELF out. The difference is, forum nerds, bloggers and Kotaku (lolz) got rather more hot and bothered for Jade than they would for old Cliffy.
    So, I suppose Jade could be classed as “Collateral Damage”, which may not be very fair, but honestly, if you really care about something as trivial as a comic, you’re a collossal faggot (that goes for you ladies too). A joke is a joke, and is only as harmful to you as you let it be.
    When someone makes a joke about you, it is YOU who chooses whether or not it becomes EPIC BUTTHURT, not the other way around.

    Q: What if Ubi-Soft sue you?
    A: They won’t, because they don’t have a case. As obviously tastless and unsubtle as the comic may be, it is no different to (for example) Dave Chappele dressing up as R.Kelly and pretending to pee in someone’s mouth or cartoons in newspapers showing George Bush as the devil. It is merely bullying tactics, and would reflect more badly on them than anyone else.

    Q: What is a “moralfag”?
    A: A moralfag is a person who’s principals are so far wedged up their own backside that they believe that any any remotely derogatory commentary made on anyone else is unnaceptable, unfounded, sexist, racist and, possibly, EVIL. That is, of course, unless they are the ones doing it. Moralfags are also utterly convinced that their view of morality is the ONLY view, and anyone who disagrees can GTFOTHX!
    In summary, a moralfag is 99% of DeviantArt users. OH SHIT!

    Q: Are you a moralfag?
    A: No, I’m just a self-satisfied cunt.

[schild]

I definitely lolled. Also, executive producer? Yea, that's pretty cushy. At least the ones I know say so.

[stray]

If you're involved like she apparently was, have to manage 100 people or more, and have a highly anticipated game (and need to stick to schedule), it stops becoming cushy, I think.

[schild]

It's a big game. There were no at least a few assistant producers (who do the real grunt work) and a regular producer, who gets delegated shit for the other producers to do. Not that it matters. David did a fine job of summing it up.

[Hoax]

Stuff like that puts the response people have had to this comic in place, especially in terms of the feminist angle.

No one seemed to be complaining before that Jade was being sexualised or taken advantage of, but one comic and suddenly the whole games industry is full of sexist pigs.

People like having stuff to write and complain about.

This post + the artist's response?

/thread

geegee.

[Engels]

David did a fine job of summing it up.

Are you on a first name basis with this charmer?

[SnakeCharmer]

Artist Dave Cheung Responds To Jade Raymond Drama

 
<interview>

Wow.  He is SOOOOOOOOOOO cool.

Is he the new version of the militant poet that would sit around in coffee houses stinking of patchouli and 'fight teh powah!"?

Rock on, dude.

[schild]

Actually, he just writes a pretty deviant and funny webcomic.

I'm not quite sure why you think he's making a stand or something.

[caladein]

Actually, he just writes a pretty deviant and funny webcomic.

That is also mildly tasteless and funny at times, gasp!

Dave's comments though are exactly what I got out of the comic when I first saw it. I'm not entirely sure how anyone could see anything outside of that intent (and well... the blowjobs...) in it. Especially after that lovely GameTrailers banner ad... .

[Azazel]

Has nothing to do with being a "White Knight". I stepped in because people started making comments about her being in the industry just for being "pretty". When as far as I can tell, she has in fact done coding duties for games, and has an education that plays into it. Whether this information "effects" anyone in real life or not is irrelevant. Facts are their own reward.

Stray. Get this. I have no issue with your viewpoint here or her qualifications. At all, for reals. For serious.



edit - I don't recall using the term "effects" in this conversation. Yes, the correct term would be "affects". Congratulations.

[Margalis]

I feel much much stupider for having read that.

His defense is nonsense, unless his defense is that he is a really shitty writer who does a terrible job of properly conveying a point.

There is a comic to be made about how Jade was whored out by Ubisoft and how pathetic geeks masturbate to her. He didn't make that comic. What he made instead was a comic that portrayed her as personally stupid and slutty. If he attempted to comment merely on Ubisoft and the fans he failed miserably. So either he is rationalizing or he is shitty at what he does, take your pick.

Based on that interview abject stupidity is a likely suspect.

[Megrim]

I think, perhaps, you may be mistaken.

[rk47]

Edit by Trippy: cut it out

[Joey]

Edit by Trippy: cut it out

Hehe.  And I was just fixing to post something like, "Schild, be sure to post the C&D from Ubisoft when it comes in."

 

[rk47]

 

[NiX]

So, uh, what's going on here?

[Mosesandstick]

I feel much much stupider for having read that.

His defense is nonsense, unless his defense is that he is a really shitty writer who does a terrible job of properly conveying a point.

There is a comic to be made about how Jade was whored out by Ubisoft and how pathetic geeks masturbate to her. He didn't make that comic. What he made instead was a comic that portrayed her as personally stupid and slutty. If he attempted to comment merely on Ubisoft and the fans he failed miserably. So either he is rationalizing or he is shitty at what he does, take your pick.

Based on that interview abject stupidity is a likely suspect.

It's a bad comic. But he has a right to make it, and he was 'trying' to make a point, no matter how tasteless the comic is.
If you ask me it is probably hard for anyone who hasn't realised already that Jade is being portrayed by sites like the aforementioned and is being used as the face of the game by ubisoft to figure out what the comic is about (as several people in this thread have mentioned what its trying to portray already). Whatever point David Cheung was trying to make got lost somewhere in all the splooge he drew; its his fault.

[CmdrSlack]

Are you seriously saying that someone in the public eye should be treated like a private person. Hint: The law doesnt. And Im giving her the benefit of the doubt that she has a brain and recognizes all this.  Surely when movie stars are caught in the tabloids, they know at least some of what they're getting into. Jade is hardly a movie star, but spokespeople have to be ready for such things.

I really dont care if you believe my personal caveats. That's your decision. I didnt care for the cartoon at all. I'm merely saying that being a public spokesperson carries with it the knowledge of some public ribbing.

Well shit, man. If you're going to take a NYT v. Sullivan stance, then take it right away. I agree that she probably should have expected to get shit. The fact that Ubi held her out as a public figure means she should have a thicker skin. However, I think that any expectation of shit getting is uncool because it demonstrates something fundamentally wrong with people. Legally, I agree that the comic itself is 100% protected by the First Amendment. It's very much like the Falwell Campari ad parody.

 Quite honestly, my guess is that the C&D had nothing to do with Jade. I doubt she had any input. Ubi's attorneys were just doing what many corporate counsels do -- playing CYA and sending an erroneous C&D letter to SA so that if anyone asked, the company could say that it took steps to minimize any harm that she'd suffer as a result of the comic. Part of lawyering is risk management, especially when you're a corporation counsel for a city or a company.

Meh. Maybe my main peeve is that you tried to lawyer the idea of the eggshell plaintiff. And that was lawyery too. Bah. I'm giving myself the 

[UnSub]

Artist Dave Cheung Responds To Jade Raymond Drama

Ahh, the old "can't ya take a joke?" defence, with just a side of "she wasn't doing anything of real importance". That's some great commentary there.

    When someone makes a joke about you, it is YOU who chooses whether or not it becomes EPIC BUTTHURT, not the other way around.

Unless of course other people around you choose to become EPIC BUTTHURT as well and decide not to use you because you cause too many problems, or decide that it's a great joke that you should never be allowed to forget.

I'm sure we'll see what happens with Jade Raymond's career from this point on. At least David Cheung's smug self-assessment was dead on.