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on: November 19, 2007, 10:13:10 AM

Also, I am linking to a fun lefty blog. Angry gamers, meet angry women. You should get along.

http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/11/19/the-trouble-with-jade

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Reply #1 on: November 19, 2007, 10:24:40 AM

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Jade Raymond makes video games. And she’s a beautiful woman. That’s a recap of most of the problem, right there. That’s basically all she did to deserve the pornographic comics about her that surfaced on the net last week.

This article is off to a good start.
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Reply #2 on: November 19, 2007, 10:26:30 AM

The comics are stupid, but a lot of that sounds like a rant against male gamers thinking she's hot. Which she is. Nothin' wrong with that.
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Reply #3 on: November 19, 2007, 10:34:10 AM

My biggest problem is that she was "whoring herself out" to get more press for the game. She wasn't a game developer at that point. She was lower than a boothbabe as she wasn't letting the game speak for itself. She deserved everything she got. People need to stop arguing that she's a game developer. She stopped being one the moment she turned into the super hot body associated with AC.

(Yes, I know she's still a developer, but not when she's in front of flashing lights - that's for sure).
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Reply #4 on: November 19, 2007, 10:40:20 AM

Oh goddamn the ending is just fucking awesome:

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The only thing you can do is point out what a hostile environment this creates for women in the game industry.

I love it.
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Reply #5 on: November 19, 2007, 11:48:25 AM

My biggest problem is that she was "whoring herself out" to get more press for the game.

You might have a point if she was walking around half naked or doing Maxim photo shoots or something.
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Reply #6 on: November 19, 2007, 11:53:56 AM

My biggest problem is that she was "whoring herself out" to get more press for the game.
You might have a point if she was walking around half naked or doing Maxim photo shoots or something.
I like the way her mouth moves.
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Reply #7 on: November 19, 2007, 11:54:22 AM

The comic wasn't even funny.  Does she really give a fuck that people are calling her a whore?  If she's as cute as she looks in the one picture I've seen, I'm pretty sure she's been called a whore by other females before in her life.

This whole thing seems pretty retarded.

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Reply #8 on: November 19, 2007, 12:17:30 PM

The (start of) this article is the usual poorly-researched crap written by someone critical of the industry.

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this is the industry where major games still feature collectible porn cards for bedding as many women as possible.

Aside from The Witcher, which came out, what? 2? 3? weeks ago, I had no idea that collectable porn cards were so prevalent in the industry. Aside from that specific game, there's what? NONE? other games featuring that kind of thing?

mmm....

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Reply #9 on: November 19, 2007, 12:18:17 PM

Shadow Hearts 2. Kinda. Maybe.

Ok, not really. Just The Witcher.
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Reply #10 on: November 19, 2007, 12:19:47 PM

Should she have worn a burkha?

Remember ladies, you can work on games but you keep your face away from a camera.  That's men's work.  If you look good it means you're a whore and if you're not then you're a fat pig.  Either way you'll be ridiculed.
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Reply #11 on: November 19, 2007, 12:21:43 PM

Uh, now I want to play the Witcher.
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Reply #12 on: November 19, 2007, 12:22:42 PM

You should want to play it anyway. It's a fun game. I'd be playing it right now if I wasn't working. Tonight? The Witcher.
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Reply #13 on: November 19, 2007, 12:28:31 PM

I bought the game, it's still packaged.  But Call of Duty 4 + Assassin's Creed are a tag team of my time, and Mass Effect is going to obliterate my life tomorrow / Wednesday.

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Reply #14 on: November 19, 2007, 12:28:45 PM

I'm amused that "The Witcher" is being called a major game. While it's AAA-quality, it's been relatively low profile over its development cycle, and was in Kentia Hall back when E3 was running. The one blip it really made was when Penny Arcade posted about it, a few years back.
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Reply #15 on: November 19, 2007, 01:32:40 PM

I'm pretty sure there were nudie cards in some LSL games.
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Reply #16 on: November 19, 2007, 01:33:57 PM

That must be what they were talking about.
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Reply #17 on: November 19, 2007, 01:37:35 PM

You know, she WILL be in Maxim soon enough.  They're going to get tired of Morgan Webb running their "gaming goddess" column sooner or later.
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Reply #18 on: November 19, 2007, 01:52:43 PM

I'm pretty sure there were nudie cards in some LSL games.


While not nudie, the Lunar remakes on the PS1 had those bromide fanservice pictures to find.
Though I am not sure the RPG genre is anything but full of fanservice these days anyhow.
The non Asian ones are Heavy Metal magazine inspired, the Asian ones are straight from animu land, and we all know what that fuckin means.  We don't WANT to know.  But we do.  cry

And im not sure there is any actual mean feelings toward Ms. Raymond herself.  I'm sure she deserved her job.  Its an original IP and most companies avoid them like the plague. 

Its a comment on Ubisoft's (and the gaming press'!) way of promoting the game.  Though to be honest, it might be as much the press' fault as Ubi's.  Maybe more.

Perhaps I should stop reading Kotaku and UK Resistance?  I had no idea who she was before they brought it up...
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Reply #19 on: November 19, 2007, 01:55:09 PM

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Perhaps I should stop reading Kotaku and UK Resistance?

UK Resistance is only funny when they're going on about Sega.
Kotaku is the bottom of the barrel.
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Reply #20 on: November 19, 2007, 01:56:29 PM

I think having her out there functioning as pretty producer is a good and smart thing. Seriously.. They'd be morons if they didn't do it.
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Reply #21 on: November 19, 2007, 02:09:45 PM

I noticed this girl here and there, there aren't so many token hot gaming girls, so the view that exist always pop up around the intraweb.  Under the whole time I was under the assumption that she was the lead designer of the game or had a job that mattered and related to creating the game itself.  Turns out she's not, she's the what, the Creative Director?

Yet she introduces the thing at the Microsoft Press Conference, which officially turns her into a PR whore.  Maybe she realizes she was thrust into the spotlight and promoted soley because she looks hot, and she's beginning to resent this fact and wants everyone to ignore her.  I'd say that is a good idea.

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Reply #22 on: November 19, 2007, 02:19:21 PM

Producer, not Creative Director. Which would involve a lot of management and hirings, communicating with higher ups, and keeping everyone happy with plenty of Red Bull.
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Reply #23 on: November 19, 2007, 03:07:34 PM

Isn't this eerily like the plot of Grandma's Boy?
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Reply #24 on: November 19, 2007, 03:09:04 PM

Those mean men on the internet. Always keeping the women down.

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Reply #25 on: November 19, 2007, 03:34:59 PM

Isn't this eerily like the plot of Grandma's Boy?

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Reply #26 on: November 19, 2007, 03:36:52 PM

On a side note, while I don't agree with the content of the comic, it actually is protected speech under an inconvenient constitutional amendment. This is an example of a really shitty policy that media companies have adopted of sending out Cease and Desist letters that have no legal basis. Empty threats to people on the internet who they know will be intimidated.

I think a lawyer's job is to interpret the law, to try to find a way within the law that achieves the client's objectives. But when the rights are strongly and incontrovertibly on the other side, I think it's wrong to make a bad faith claim of a legal right just because you know the other side will cave to your intimidation rather than seeking assistance of counsel. We're supposed to be counselors and advocates, not goons.  If SA had told Ubisoft's lawyers to fuck off and left the comic online, there would have been no lawsuit because

In a more sympathetic case of exactly the same behavior, a woman posted a video clip of her baby dancing, with a Prince song playing on the radio.  Prince has something up his ass about anyone actually listening to his music, and he personally trolls the internet searching for infringements. So the label sent a C&D to YouTube who emailed this poor woman that her video was taken down. She was scared out of her wits because she thought she was going to get sued. The media companies have learned ISPs and content sites will comply with a Cease and Desist without consulting counsel and they are abusing the fact that the targets of these letters cannot afford to evaluate them. There should be some penalty, like triple fees assessed against a party sending a Cease and Desist to remove content that is protected by the First Amendment.
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Reply #27 on: November 19, 2007, 03:56:54 PM

What a great angle for a troll account.

Continue, as you have my blessings.
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Reply #28 on: November 19, 2007, 04:08:34 PM

What a great angle for a troll account.

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Reply #29 on: November 19, 2007, 04:16:54 PM

Litigator is a lawyer and one of my college friends.

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Reply #30 on: November 19, 2007, 04:19:59 PM

Just read the linked blog post. All i can say is "lol, feminists". As someone in another place said: it's the internet - everybody gets raped on the internet.

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Reply #31 on: November 19, 2007, 04:20:28 PM

Tin Foil More Hats Plz.

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Reply #32 on: November 19, 2007, 04:45:41 PM

So, some random internet fuckwad makes an offensive drawing, so therefore the entire industry is full of frothing misogynists, and if you don't acknowledge that you're part of the problem.  Does that about sum it up?
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Reply #33 on: November 19, 2007, 04:49:19 PM

So, some random internet fuckwad makes an offensive drawing, so therefore the entire industry is full of frothing misogynists, and if you don't acknowledge that you're part of the problem.  Does that about sum it up?

Yessir. By they way, why do you beat your wife? It's 'cause you hate women, isn't it? ISN'T IT?!

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Reply #34 on: November 19, 2007, 04:52:12 PM

I think I should register jadedefenseforce.com in hopes she'll let me stick it in her pooper.
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