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Schedule shamelessly stolen from GAF.

Monday June 1st, 2009
:uhrr: Microsoft: 10:25 AM PT / 1:25 PM ET / 6:25 PM GMT

:why_so_serious: Electronic Arts: 2:00 PM PT / 5:00 PM ET / 10:00 PM GMT

:oh_i_see: Ubisoft: 5:00 PM PT / 8:00 PM ET / 1:00 AM GMT

Tuesday June 2nd, 2009
:drillf: Nintendo: 9:00 AM PT / 12:00 PM ET / 5:00 PM GMT

:drill: Sony: 11:00 AM PT / 2:00 PM ET / 7:00 PM GMT

:uhrr: Miyamoto + Nintendo Presentation: 6:00 PM PT / 9:00 PM ET / 2:00 AM GMT

Wednesday June 3rd, 2009
:mob: Square Enix: 11:00 AM PT / 2:00 PM ET / 7:00 PM PT
No live streams.

:geezer: Konami: 3:00 PM PT / 6:00 PM ET / 11:00 PM GMT
No live streams.

Let's do this. Nonstop to HypeFail City.

Edit:
G4: http://g4tv.com/e32009/splash.aspx (really the only one that handled the bandwidth last time)
Gametrailers: http://www.gametrailers.com/e3/?show=Press+Conferences#Content

Edit 2: May as well use Kotaku for liveblogging, even if they're gonna talk about how their balls itch while Totilo upholds the standard of Journalistic Integrity they're so well-known for.

What are we doing?

We're gonna party like we're fucking 8 years old, that's what.

Oh looky, smiley version :awesome_for_real:

There have already been a lot of pre-E3 teaser trailers going up over the weekend on Gametrailers.com as well as other places.  Front Mission Evolved, Borderlands, Nier (new Square action-adventure game), Bayonetta, Dante's Inferno, Dead Space: Extraction, and Dragon Age, among others have all had teasers posted up recently.

Also, the Dragon Age teaser announced a release date of Oct. 20th.

The sole purpose of this thread is to post Booth Babe pictures. :pedobear:

But booth babes are rarely pedo bait.

Right?   :ye_gods:

I'll just let you guys get all excited for me.  Sounds like a lot of garbage.

I predict...sequels. To major titles. New IP that will inevitably not be that great ala' Mirror's Edge. Some sort of new peripheral from Nintendo...maybe a flagship title?

Left 4 Dead 2 just got announced for a Nov. 17th release on PC/360.  FFXIII is set for Spring 2010 in the U.S..

Not that I expected any different, but system exclusive Beatles RB songs is fucking retarded. 

Bungie just announced a new Halo game called Halo: Reach for a Fall 2010 release, with a multiplayer beta invite included in ODST.

facebook and twitter  :drillf:



(thats suppose to be green)

and theres mgs

Alarm didn't go off.

I woke up to Microsoft getting Metal Gear Solid Sideproject and Don sounding like a racist gaijin.

And then I saw a video of Microsoft futzing around with something even dumber than the Wiimote.

I LOVE E3.

MGS: Rising with Raiden for the 360

WA-BAM and your avatar goes full retard...

I want to beat up Milo and put him right back in the Uncanny Valley.

Also, I can't think of something I want less than a camera that recognizes my naked ass when I walk across the room.

This whole thing is just beyond creepy and does not make my gaming experience better.

 :pedobear:

The 360 camera dealeo looked terrible.  Seriously, as Schild says - dumber than a wiimote.

Was Alan Wake always x360 exclusive?

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE, PETER MOLYNEUX  :uhrr: :ye_gods: :ye_gods: :uhrr:

Yes, microsoft IP.

That was worse than the last 5 Sony Press Conferences.

Perhaps Microsoft forgot they were like *this close* to winning the hardcore crowd. Man. Wtf.

Dogshit press conference #1 in the books. Milo will know your soul.

On MS:

I was actually hoping the motion-controller would involve having to wear some kind of skin-tight spandex suit.   :heartbreak:
I'm not even being sarcastic.  You cant get a very good resolution from the system having to recognize a person's body w/o any kind of visual "tag."  This has already been proven with robust augmented-reality rigs.  Sure, they work... but they're not half as fast as ones using current mo-cap style tech (suits, reflective dots, symbology, etc.).

But, it's a start.  Better than nothing, but leaves the door wide open for another company to come in with something better.  If it was me I would've utilized an improved version of the Sixense controller (using mag. fields) or just velcroed dots on people's clothing.

Gonna echo Schild here in saying it's a pretty "softcore" attempt at revolutionizing gaming.  I'm hoping there's some hardcore buried underneath all the marketing rhetoric, somewhere in the SDK perhaps.

You know, a few months ago I was wondering what games Microsoft had left that required me keep my 360 plugged in versus just buying them all on the PC when they came out.

Of course, the answer is a pretty loud & clear "Nothing. We have nothing left. We shot our wad trying to beat everyone to the market and forgot that 2007 to 2008 might not last forever." >_<

It's easy to forget anything when Reggie Fils-aime keeps driving by your house in a convertible full of whores and coke, screaming into a bullhorn "SUCK IT TREBEK".

Apparently this is a huge trainwreck! I look forward to the YouTubes later this evening.

The only thing that irritates me is the FFXIII delay.  We had better be getting an "International" version or something.

Nice naming choice. >_< I knew it was bothering me the way they were pronouncing it. But now that I've seen it in text. /ugh

Crackdown 2 isn't even made by Realtime Worlds? :(

why even show it

Let's not jump to conclusions too quickly yet though guys.  Natal can work, it just depends on how versatile the system is and how friendly they plan to be with developers.  I'd love to get my hands on a kit (or at least an emulator and API) and really dissect it.  Currently though, it seems a joke of an interface compared to something like Sixense (http://sixense.com/)...  too clunky when the body/facial recognition has to sift all that info. before even outputting anything, especially on a piddly console (even with parallel processing, which I'm betting is crucial to make this work i.e. Natal has its own cpu, it's not just a sensor).

EA and Ubisoft is next up.  What should we expect from them?

this is microsoft right now

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2ylljrs.gif)

http://ve3d.ign.com/videos/play/51525/PC/Tom-Clancys-Splinter-Cell-Conviction/Gameplay/E3-2009-Four-Minute-Gameplay-Movie/Flash-Video

do want

Holy crap.

Unfortunately, yes. I think the idea is cool. But I can almost guarantee that the execution is shit, if for no other reason than it looks like an afterthought. Like PVP tossed into a PVE Diku Raid game.

I love Splinter Cell.  The series keeps getting better. 

I hated Double Agent, but yes, I agree for the most part and have been looking forward to Conviction for way too long now.

EA in 10 minutes.

I hope they show the Fisher-Price abomination that they've turned the Madden 10 for the Wii into. It will truly make you plotz.

lol dyan said sparkly

E3, one step back for men

five steps back for feminism

Edit: Holy crap, I think dyan knows this is utterly ridiculous. I'm proud of her.

This is amazing. The crowd is so confused...

i can't see dragon age over the noise

october 20th

is there anything remotely interesting so far outside of the L4D-2 trailer that will likely draw tons of fire for Katrina parallels?

WELL THAT DIDN'T TAKE LONG

WELCOME BACK WHITE HERO

EA Sports logo.

Back on mute it goes.

I was watching the ea presentation at www.ea.com/e3 but the stream is getting hammered by traffic and it's stuttering too badly.  

Anywhere else to watch it?  That doesn't require IE7?

That is the very definition of shit hot.

while I still hate football games

that madden shit is impressive

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND

BACK ON MUTE

i liked the way her mouth moved

600k ea sports active in two weeks... my god...

the madden stuff was more exciting than natal

lol

HOLY SHIT

LOOK AT THIS DUDE

IS HE THE NEW CHARACTER IN LEFT 4 DEAD

hitman + nazi's =  :awesome_for_real:

I want to hear more about littlest pet shop then this...

Seriously. He is smoking some serious shit. Either that or it's the Microsoft pole he's been smoking lately. Just come out with an updated Movies machinima engine that doesn't suck and all will be forgiven.

Saboteur looked freaking awesome.  Dragon Age.  Dante's Inferno looked neatish as well.

WTF is up with essentially starting off the presentation with girl stuffs?  I get that you want to appeal to a casual audience.  I'm thinking the 40,000 people at E3 aren't casual. 

Did anyone even want a fully voiced MMO?

The game won't be half as fun as that trailer was, I just know it.

So a fully rendered cutscene.. only news is its a fully voiced mmo.. thats it...

Better than the Microsoft Presser.

== Forced to read/listen to quest "text"

(sigh)

ENTER a NEW type of grind!  The audio-grind!

What game is a fully-voiced MMO? Didn't we learn not to do that with EQ2 and AOC?

Your beloved SWTOR will be the world's first fully voiced MMO... as in fully fully.
It could be cool if (like I said) they dont have quest-text and force people to listen and/or replay confrontations via some kind of video recorder; otherwise exercise their powers of memorization.  LoL

I just look at it as a new way to slow down char. progression and grind the game out w/o totally boring people.  Although, something tells me people will still get bored.  All will depend on the writers (which we all know they have plenty of).

Yes  :awesome_for_real:

AoC? If there was one thing people were bitching about a lot it was the voice acting going away after 20.

That said I don't think Bioware understands the can of worms they are opening because if they've ever listened to a vent/team speak session Shakespeare theatre is barely possible and for 99% of the time means your epic sotrylines will get compromised. Anyone has suggestions of an Eve Fleet engagement/spy ousting to help highlight this point?

The hardware for Natal seems like definite improvement over the Wii in certain ways but I don't like how the software is lacking. Considering that MS said all possible developers will get access to natal starting today I think we won't see any decent software until mid 2011 at the earliest. If that is true why bother making Natal for the 360 now and just hold out for another year (and a half) and release it with a brand new console.

You had best be joking

Doesn't matter anyways. Milo will have enslaved the human race by then

As long as there's good voice acting, sure yeah, it helps with the immersion. This is also assuming the game in general behaves more like a typical rpg. I don't have time to explain it..should be obvious though. I mean, it makes no difference to me if it's just an mmo wall of quest text. I don't care for that to be in audio. Other games have tried it. Fail.

It's obvious that your dreams will not become real.

I read way faster that people speak AND I can't usually make it all the way through a wall-o-quest-text as it is.  Generally I skim for key words and context and then hit accept.

There is no way I will listen to 90% of what they voice.

I thought the pedos would make a slave out of Milo.  :hello_thar:

They really think "Star Wars Fans" will sit through voice-overs? 
Maybe they have the cure for A.D.D. as well...   :why_so_serious:

Insert your credit card or I'll tell the police you made me take off my pants, patience

Why not? If they stay the course with this title, it'll have more resemblance to KOTOR than any of the EQ1 descendants. So while we suffered through voiceovers in EQ2 beta until we could turn them off, SWTOR may just play differently enough where the voice isn't in the way as much as it supports.

But having watched the sizzler, I'm forced to ask again: wtf? no real PvP? Whole damned video was PvP.

I generally play with the sound off, so unless they have a written version of the quest I'll not be playing and if they have a written version then WTF do you need voice for?

Just saw the Project Offset Meteor trailer (http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/project-offset-meteor-tech/312154). Is Project Offset still going to be a game ever? Or did they become just an engine developer since getting acquired by Intel?

Looks awesome, I just want to know if it's teh pretty, or if there'll ever be a game in there.

So we've now got three "avatarish" movies coming out this year.

Gamer, Surrogates, and Avatar.  Why the sudden influx in movies based on this tech??  kinda waters the genre down.  James Cameron talks too damned much btw.  And there BETTER be a damned HoMM Kingdoms update.

YOU KNOW WHO HAS THEIR STUFF TOGETHER?

UBISOFT.

If the GTA could have full voice-over quests for few installments by now...

just sayin'

I GET TO SLIDE MY COCK SHOPPING CART AROUND IN RABBIDS GO HOME...

OH MAN

This is in green, I can tell.  You know how?  Because I am watching THEIR SHITTASTIC PRESENTATION.

God, it sucks.

edit: and they even made Assassins Creed 2 seem boring.

Didn't your mother teach you to not to blackmail adults?




Thank you for that astute observation Ryan Seacrest.

So for those of us not watching at home, wtf are y'all talking about?

Found the SWTOR trailer.  I'd like to see a full movie by them.

My high...


...and my low.


Is this (youtube) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2r9cKjNQe4) the "game" spazzy is playing?  I like the genuine fear everyone shows when the kid makes a ninja kick at 0:19.

Yes.

That's stuff that science fiction hasn't even written about.

To mock it is to mock the inexorable advance of mankind.

Dude, you missed the 3/4's of the Conference where they actually showed games.  You aren't really in a place to judge, especially since you said you're avoiding footage of Alan Wake.

I liked Microsoft's presser.  I even liked natal and milo.  Why?  Imagine having your very own milo AI resident on your computer.  And it looked like Katy Perry.

Open the file you dirty bitch!

If only.

Alan Wake looked like it could be interesting, although it came off as a bit of a Silent Hill wannabe.

Beyond that I imagine your excitement is proportional to how many sequels to shooters you're interested in. For someone like me who is not into that genre at all it was pretty bare.


The fact that it was Molyneux giving the presentation and that his proof that it was real was that it would be shown only behind closed doors to pre-screened journalists should tell you something about how soon that's going to be a reality.

Word on the street (i.e.- first result in a google search) is that we get the next Zelda announced tomorrow.  It better give me a revolutionary RE4 style vibe, because the old formula be tired. 

Maybe it'll introduce next gen graphics to the wii by using bloom and a color palette consisting of twenty-six shades of brown.

As long as it's more Wind Waker/OoT and less Twilight Princess, ok. 

I'd be perfectly happy with a Zelda using pretty much the same formula.  Fuck, they've kept very much the same formula since their very first game.  A mediocre Zelda is better than 95% of the crap out there, IMO.

What if, to be a level 50 Monk, you have to actually perform Flying Kick each time? And fatasses can only be Wizards.

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa181/Yegolev/ms-garbage.png)

Can I get a "wut" from the choir?

Wut wut.

Put a tray in that ass.

Will you then bitch about the lack of content?

I would love a fully voiced mmo. You can always skip it if you're in a rush to raid  :oh_i_see:

Abo-so-lootly. It added a lot to EQ2 and AOC. It was best done in EQ2 IMO, hell even wizard 101 has full voice overs. I am getting tired of reading text, the option of it being acted is much more appealing to me, as long as the acting is well, good.

I would say that voice acting is soon to be a must, one of those baseline "expectations" for new MMOs. If you disagree, MUDS have been long dead i hate to inform you (You didn't read those anyway Mr.Play by script).  :why_so_serious:

Something was...off about Twilight Princess.  Or maybe it was just me getting older.  But it didn't have the magic of LTTP, OOT, MM, or WW, all of which I loved and still play. 

If you think Wall-O-Text is the same thing as content you have serious issues.

Yeah, I'll give you that...the whole shadow world thing made it different.  It's not in the top 5.  Still, the gameplay elements were pretty solid and fun.  

I mentioned in some other thread that I'm currently playing OOT.  That game has aged shockingly well.  Takes you an hour to get used to the crusty graphics, but after that it holds up very well.

I never played the game or like nfl but my god the depth of Madden is crazy http://www.gametrailers.com/video/new-features-madden-nfl/49354

Never have I seen a worse community than the one in L4D, but i suppose its only natural when finding a decent pickup is so hard  it becomes more fun to grief than actually play the game.

Unless L4D 2 = military operations in teams of 8, I'll give it a miss.

edit - Ok, chainsaws and frying pans have changed me from no to maybe :)  might wait for it to go on sale though.

*puts fingers in ears* NANANANANANNANANANANANANANANANA

I didn't want to see that.  I promised myself I'd never buy another Madden.  They just end up disappointing me.

There's a potential Donkey Kong kill screen coming up.

if anyone is interested

http://e3.g4tv.com//e32009/g4onthefloor/wiebecam/

Sigh.

what's the problem, guy

I like to read, I like to have story and background and lore to my game worlds. To me, that is part of the content, otherwise mmo mechanics are just a lame video game you can play with others. I would contend that playing in a large game world without taking time to read the text would mean you are the one with serious issues. Why not just go play L4D or something, which has infinitely better game mechanics?

Also, that Madden video is pissing me off. That could be the game that finally puts a modern gen console in my house. If I had the money ^^

HOLY FUCK

FOURTH DIMENSION

SHIT

HERE WE GO

TIME TRAVEL

as adorable as this is and as much as i fucking love 2d mario

i am not ok with relying on other human beings in my mario

this shit better be designed for 1 player :(

Buckaroo Mario Across the 8th Dimension? wut?

4 people playing what looked like some hybrid of Mario Bros 1 and Mario Bros 3.

The second part gives me a giant nerd hardon

the first part makes my inner child cry because I was always my biggest competition

the wii fit balance board isn't an accessory

it's a platform

a symbol of hope in the eyes of someone who ate too many donuts

and the future of daily gaming

here's wii fit plus fatty

HERE IT COMES GUYS

WII MOTION+

ANOTHER ACCCESSORY

GET WITH IT

chinese people

don't play

pingpong like that

neither do the japanese

or koreans

nor do people free throw a basketball like that


edit: "It feel's great"... wtf

shutup

we're onto skydiving

oh no

i mean archery

this is THE FUTURE

PLAYING ARCHERY

IS PRECISELY THE KIND OF CHALLENGE

THAT I LONG FOR

reggie should've called him a preppy douchebag

that would've been hilarious

why aren't you people talking more

i know you're all watching

I'm in shock...

We're all watching you write Haikus about, I presume, the new motion control thingy. 

If the world is so bland you need a blob of narrative exposition to clue you into the background and lore then I would say that's a problem, not a solution.

"<blah, blah, blah> rabbits <blah, blah, blah> eat my prize carrots <blah, blah, blah> 10 pelts <blah, blah, blah> gold ring and 1 sp 24 cp." Isn't engrossing story and background to anyone but the dull and unimaginative.

sega and ea

will revolutionize the wii

by releasing two tennis games

around the same time

on a system

where people play tennis

red steel 2 will be playable ONLY with wii motion+

have fun being forced to buy an accessory, jerks

hay everybody

check out this kickass voiceacting

goldenrod

crystal chronicles is an abomination

that's what everyone believes

can they be trusted

?

no

What gets me is my parents love the wii tennis just due to how accessable it is. Once you start explaing how you have to explain all the neuances about movement control back to wii sports they would go.

i want

i want to be

with you two

oh those bastards are using passion/sanctuary as the music

:(

i really can't say nintendo deserves that after the wii sports-esque music at the opening

people who long for archery as a challenge can't appreciate the weabooness awesome

an entire mario and luigi game

based around getting bowser

to either shit you out

or vomit you

stay tuned for the shocking ending

hey guys

i actually found an impassable bug in the first gba golden sun

that wouldn't let me coninue my game

fyi

ok

things just got a lot LESS interesting

ahahahahahaa romance novels!

i'd prefer hentai

C.O.P.

Where's paul walker?

nintendo thinks women are vapid assholes

these are normal people

except that last guy

he had a trashy mustache

that chubby guy in flannel had an $80 bape shirt

he's an everyman

fun fact

the nintendo dsi is the first revision of hardware I have not bought on day one since the 90s

/snore

flip note studio is a pretty great advancement in animated gifs guys

seriously

this is a straight up compliment and probably the best reason to own a dsi

You and a lot of other people it seems, 1mil vs 400k lites.. thats not a good pickup rate..

holy shit

mario vs donkey kong on one screen

wiebe at 703,600 points on the other

so meta

diy

means

do it yourself, assholes

we didn't even want to make a new wario ware

you have to

there's going to be a lot of penises in that

the real satisfaction comes

when you reshape boobies

that zelda game they just showed

has gotten less froth in the gaming industry

than any zelda previously

THOMAS THE TANK ENGINE!!!!!

here he comes

i think someone should redub that jerk from gta4 with satoru iwata

heeeeey cousin neeko

u want to play big american veedio game

ok low blow

wiebe is at 747,700

I don't know what you guys are watching but I'm watching Iwata walk back and forth while saying "bak ak wak ak ak bak wak".

I keep waffling back and forth over whether I should ask where to get the good streams or not.  So far the things I have been picking up have made me want to move to the moon.

if you noticed

i've stopped commenting

i don't even know what to say about him

http://www.gametrailers.com/e3/video-press-conference/nintendo

I think this is why they scheduled Wiebe to play donkey kong now.

he says there are still ways to satisfy advanced players and novice players

which is weird

since my Wii has been plugged in for 6 days out of the two years it has been out

So, no reason to power up my Wii in the near future except for the No More Heroes sequel?

WHAT THE HOLY FUCK IS THIS SHIT

THERE ARE ONLY CURSE WORDS

Do you like tennis?

NOT A GAME

I can't get gametrailers through the proxy but he's on nintendo.com.

Anyway I see what he's doing.  Keep in mind that I can relate anything to a lesson learned in the MMO space: he's talking about making a single game that satisfies newbies and end-game raiders.  Just my luck that they will succeed and the console game industry will drive itself off of a cliff.

Also, I cannot understand the words that are coming out of his mouth.

I think they've already found a way to make people fall asleep.

Looks like if they want to help people fall asleep, they just need to stream this into people's homes.

BEAT ME

....

Sure, there are some boring quests like that. But there are a whole lot of interesting quests that reveal game lore. Do you skim those, too?

(http://dl-client.getdropbox.com/u/39720/f13/wtf_nintendo.png)

Thank you Mr. Iwata, for that look into the future.

Hey schild, can you please make me some Mario levels?

MORE MARIO

WE HAD OTHER PLANETS WE DIDN'T USE

GRATS

MARIO GALAXY 2: THE SHIT WE CUT SINCE YOU PEOPLE WILL BUY ANYTHING

yegolev

i will make you mario levels

if you like penis jokes

and buy me a dsi

a lime green one please

and that game

i'm kidding please don't

i don't want one and don't want to make you levels

i'm sorry

it's for everyone but me

Are they still using the same sound assets from Mario 64?

reggie is making a salient point

I'M ABOUT 90% SURE

WHEN I SAY I WANT MORE

I DON'T MEAN A SHITTY SEGA FPS FOR THE WII

No one wants to make Mario levels, even Nintendo!  In Soviet Russia, gamers make video games.

nintendo totally gets it

and then at the exact same time

totally doesn't get it even a little

Looks like Unreal. 

Hey I can still shoot black people.

Nintendo: All the fun of getting a blood pressure test, in the privacy of your own home!

This thread is win, even when I have no idea what Schild is going on about 90% of the time.

oh guys

did i mention that the lead guy from Supernatural is playing Leon in the Resident Evil IV movie?

how fucking exciting is that

anyway, i give up

these asshats should've announced fatal frame iv

or something, you know, compelling

dead space:
rail shooter

a new edgier game!

wii orgy

Can we all just go back to playing games on PS2?

wtf itagaki

that's a match made in surreal land

Unfortunately, I'm excited about Resident Evil: People Like Leon and Dead Space: Wii.  Stupid Reggie.

guys, kinda excited in here

ok, just saw the main character

not excited anymore

WTF ITAGAKI METROID

OH

oh fuck

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH FUCK THAT'S HOT AS SHIT

guys

wtf

samus NOOOOOO

God of Metroid: Chains of the Mother Brain

i will play that so fucking hard it's not even funny

I'm glad I can watch this on G4 instead of a stream, but by god, Nintendo's presser sucks.  It's a bunch of mario for fucks sake, It doesn't matter if you introduce it in a shatner voice, it's still a plumber jumping on mushrooms.

Jesus Eric, get a twitter account.

so out of like 900 games

i'll have played 2

I'm so conflicted.

i have one, it's called @Consolidated%20Letdown:%20E3%202009

wii motion +

is packed in with Red Steel 2

please do try to keep up

thats awesome, might keep the wii now, but wait just realized that that you need a vitalty sensor for the boss fights.

u liek samus?  we maek new gaem.  u liek workout?  luky you!!!

I love posting 12 times because I may wish to review my post.  Fucking Parkinson Posting.  

Metroid, though, redeemed most of the boring shit.  

oh, DK tourney at over 900k

anyone who buys red steel 2 deserves it

Wiebe is still going. He played through that whole presentation. And it was probably more exciting.

it was more exciting

man

i really wish they had saved metroid: other M (COULD THAT BE MORE JAPANESEY) for the WiiHD

team ninja in 480p really isn't something i wanted again

won't be enough samus boob jiggle for itagaki (or me)

I think the most hilarious part of the Nintendo reveal was actually the look on the Microsoft people's faces when they realized N has been spending capital on relatively-hardcore games while they were getting all metrosexual.

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

wiebe lost

Awesome, he died. Right after Nintendo stopped. Fate.

923,400

It was a valiant effort.

Super Mario:  Bad Camera 2.

No wii Zelda. 

Metroid looked awesome.

Lots and lots of meh.

Oh, Mario Galaxy 2 not until 2010 btw.

who's ready to be totally let down by sony?

i am

I updated my avatar in honor of the new Wii accessories.

it's so bad

I'm not expecting much, but who knows.  They don't have to do much to show up Nintendo, though I still think Microsoft came out swinging even with the metro shit.

i went back and watched all the stuff from the microsoft presser afterwards

aside from alan wake, it was all a lot of whooha.

the best thing from the con thus far is splinter cell

period

if you don't think so, you don't like games, that shit was beyond awesome

t-minus 28 minutes until the express train leaves to hypefail city

Splinter Cell looks awesome.  Though I'm a final fantasy whore and I'll always buy MSG.  So I was excited about those.  Portal sequel perked my interest too.  

I HOPE THEY SAY HOW AWESOME HOME IS.  IF THEY KEEP SAYING IT IT MAY BE TRUE ONE DAY

Sony reveals new Home Avatars, called Piis

no, not really

The infuriating thing is that if Sony DOES NOTHING as in DO NOT COME UP WITH SOMETHING RETARDED then they are set to jump into first place.  However we might see a Guncon with a Eye on top that is also motion-sensitive and can measure your heartbeat.

I just saw a picture of the Tony Hawk Skateboard Controller.  I think I could beat Tony Hawk to death with one.

You have to think ahead. This is first in the long line of controllers driven by sticking an appendage into it.

I would not say it is the first.  Already we have the Nunchuk and the Classic Controller, and even the Wii Condom.  I have also seen a tennis racket, golf club and spatula.

What struck me as funny was Early in the Microsoft presser Tony showed off his skateboard controller, but at the end project Natal showed a kid playing a skateboard game without the need for any controller at all.

I wonder what Tony thinks about that.

I just want some GT5 news, ala a new prologue patch/feature push(ala spec IV) or a solid date for release, Forza 3 best graphics/physics for this generation my ass..

When i said appendage, i meant that in sense of player's body part. :why_so_serious:

Most ironic musing I've had about these last few press conferences.


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VS (http://media.1up.com/media?id=3717199&type=lg)

 :hello_thar:

TURN YOUR CELL PHONES OFF BITCHES

NO CELL PHONES ON THE HYPETRAIN

At least the Sony pre-show music seems to have a real instrument here and there.

Baby steps, Sony, baby steps.

oomph oomph oomph oomph oomph oomph oomph oomph oomph

tschk tschk tschk

oomph oomph oomph oomph oomph oomph oomph oomph oomph

tschk tschk tschk

*indian whistle thing*

oomph oomph oomph oomph oomph oomph oomph oomph oomph

tschk tschk tschk

oomph oomph oomph oomph oomph oomph oomph oomph oomph

tschk tschk tschk

How many minutes in before we see a really dumb peripheral?

boomina boom boom

boomina boom boom

boomina boom boom

boomina boom boom

*high hat*

boomina boom boom

boomina boom boom

boomina boom boom

boomina boom boom

boomina boom boom

*high hat*

boomina boom boom

boomina boom boom

boomina boom boom

boomina boom boom

boomina boom boom

*high hat*

boomina boom boom

We need to send in an extraction team.  I think they've hurt him profoundly.

Fake edit: 20ish

u mean liek the psp go

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3 minutes late

letdown total

Sorry lost the stream for a sec is this drum machine hero?

Oh, sony presser 2-3 minutes.  teach me to trust a countdown clock.

TURN OFF YOUR FUCKING CELLPHONES.

Motion sensing Home peripheral that attaches to your colon just froze up.  Please, one more minute.

Ton's of room down front. We will be handing out glow sticks and whistles shortly.

don't eat the red rope licorice

Maybe after the prior two presentations they just decided to not show up this year.

TURN THEM OFF. SIT DOWN.

OH SHIT CHECK OUT ALL THOSE METAL ICONS

IT'S ON NOW

G4 IS STILL FUTZING AROUND

and go

HEY

THEY STARTED WITH GAMES

SONY +1

ALSO

QUEEN

HAHA YES

I saw Kratos!

wiebe is going again, tune in in 90 minutes to see the thrilling final hour

I saw gt5 rally!

oh hay, a funny man

should of made a wii vitality joke

 :rimshot:

Keep it up, funny man.

that stage

is awesome

btw

games are important

i think he finally gets it

I saw M.A.G.

ok

so

games

let's do this

this isn't a stockholder meeting

Stop talking and show games.

YEA HEAVY RAIN

YAY LOGOS

no

let's not get started with the playstation 2

though that damn thing is sorta ridiculous

I'm not a share holder. SHUT UP WITH THE NUMBERS.

To be fair, do you really want them starting or ending with the weakest line up?

MAYBE YOU SHOULD BE A SHAREHOLDER

OR AT LEAST A SUBSCRIBER TO THEIR NEWSLETTER: NUMBERS, NUMBERS, NUMBERS, AND MAYBE GAMES

I want it at TGS not here

haha

oh hey, belly button lint.  neat.

Make it stop!

first console to do decently in central and south america

because you can't pirate games

haha

yes plz

no i already beat it 2 days ago jack

yes please naughty dog

WOOOOO

he has a bird on his douchebag-cut shirt

oh hell ya... playing tonight schild?

yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy giant video

How many computing cycles does it take to render that guy's eyebrows.

no i'm not

waiting for release

also that's gorgeous

some guy just screamed awesome

i agree with him

hhahahahaha

drake said shit

Ummmm... CARA  BLACK.  YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH.

i want this game badly

gentlemen

drake's hair is still perfect

Why can't I just find a fucking Metroid trailer and skip the fucking press conference? Fuckheads.

shutup haemish no one cares about the wii now

that npc kicked a chair... and it rolled

That Helicopter gunfire looks kinda awkward.

that would be because the whole building is falling over

shit is hitting the fan fuser

and the shit tastes delicious

fake edit: i've never been in the line of helicopter fire so i wouldn't know

bloodworth, you have roughly 3 minutes to froth

no no.. the npc ai got off of the elevator and walked out and kicked an office wheel chair at the player...  :heart:

WHO ARE THESE OTHER PLAYERS :(

*squeee*

OK NOW I WANT TO PLAY THIS

oh shit

OK NOW I REALLY REALLY WANT TO PLAY THIS

holy shit...

Battlefield: 194whogivesaratsass

So squad leaders can assign targets that no one pays attention to! neat!

spawn camp that biatch

you shut your dirty whore mouth

let's live in ideal land where we have good commanders until the game comes out

edit: now I wish I was at e3. just to play mag. what are the odds

What is this?

Hopefully: "I'm officially a lame douchebag."

MAG

hholy shit the psp is 5 years old?

but only 9 games game out for it

he's cursing up a storm!

hahah

joking

sort of

lumines is still in mine

And on to the PSP  :roll:

Mag was ps2 right?

I couldn't get a good stream from the justin.tv site. I found http://video.ign.com/streaming/e3-2009/index.html gives me no stuttering, but I had to install IGN's firefox plugin movie player. Very good quality though.

*SQUEEEEEEEE!*

wtf no

also

dissidia, august 25th

Fuck no.

Looks like schild's going to be buying a new PSP.

Oh god, here it comes. They just have to fuck it up.

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kaz hirai is dreamy

Is there any organization to this shit?!

M.A.G was bad ass! God dam it. i need to up my gamepad skills now...

DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN YOUR POCKET KAZ

GET ON WITH IT

man wouldn't it be funny if the psp had twitter and free mms/txting

lol

This thread has ADD.

oh wow

that's tinier and better looking htan i expected

Go buy Planetside.

frothing nerds watching e3, fuck yes it has add

ooh shiny

patience don't be a dipshit

also, seriously

that thing LOOKS A LOT BETTER THAN I EXPECTED

but do they all come with that theme music?

hehehe

i forgot he was asian

than he said brutooth

ok i didn't forget he was asian

but he did say brutooth

psp has genius lol

why

Sense me, soon to be followed up with Touch Me

eat me

soon to be followed up with

FUCKING GAMES

fair enough, but the aforementioned nerds need to be more specific once in a while.  You guys post 10 times in a row about something that is apparently awesome, and the rest of us are like "OK BUT WHAT IS IT GODS DAMMIT!"

You're weirdly specific about the shitty stuff, though.

media go?

http://blog.se-nse.net/media-go%E2%84%A2-hands-on/

Wish I cared about any of this.

 It's more like an echo chamber, rather than commentary.

as do i rasix, as do i

$249.99 is too much

jesus thats an xbox price... too much

Why is there no phone in the PSP GO?  Kinda makes no sense.  At least have some kind of Bluetooth hookup API shyt for it or something.
pfft

junk

I could buy a tai whore to rqapidly paint pictures on her tits for that

I know.  I'm mostly just being stupid.  

it's not junk ghambit, it's just not for you

and it's $50 too much

YES

They really need to ban Japanese men from speaking at E3.

FUCKING YAMAUCHI UP IN THIS MOTHERFUCKER

yeah bitches

he's so fucking hardcore he doesn't even need a translator

you know why he's there

OH MAN OH MAN OH MAN OH MAN OH MAN

fuck psp.. gt5 bitch!

Everyone else had a real translator!

60FPS

GRAN TURISMO

ON THE FREAKING PSP

Using http://e3.gamespot.com/press-conference/

Missed the good stuff, apparently.

He's making a left tuuuuuurn!

yathink?  If it had a goddamned PHONE I'd buy it for that much.
At that price, I sense an Iphone in my future and I'll just play your crappy flash games on it.   :grin:

oh man

oh man

oh man

This would be more interesting if Ken Watanabe was delivering the lines .

i have to buy a psp go for gran turismo and i am ok with this

So it's like My Little Pet Shop with cars.

yes that's exactly what it's like

don't be stupid for the sake of stupid

They're spending way too much time talking about this.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO VIDEO

I GET IT, GT ON PSP GO. :facepalm:

Yes.  I made some lunch.

i am absolutely ok with them talking about gran turismo velorath

How 'bout just buying Forza 3 for 360 and being done with it?  
And how does one "gather friends" on the PSP w/o any i-net?  they think just having a wi-fi card is enough?  If I have to sit at home to go online with it, then I'll just play my 360 or PC and my PSP will dust-collect.

I dont like PSP.

I'd just prefer leaving the details for press releases and just showing video.

Are you fucking kidding? Look, I'm willing to make amenities for a lot of titles, but Forza doesn't fucking touch Gran Turismo. GTFO with that shit.

GT is a dead franchise anyways.

Metar Gear Sorid!

No.

Did anyone tell these guys that they had a speaking engagement today?

metal gear solid: peacewalker with sony for putting raiden on the 360 also that game is really a joke

go play rFactor.  a real damned driving game.

"Arso, I wear two watches."

you're being an ignorant moron

shutup thanks

I thought Forza was the definitive racing game of this generation or some shit.

Latin America?  really?  Suspending disbelief only goes so far.

Do you think Kojima likes himself?

p.s.
whatever happened to the camera+augmented reality stuff we were 'sposed to be getting from Sony?

Will buy!

LOL

rofl, you suspended disbelief for metal gear? you crazy

also best trailer ever

That was a fantastic ending.

can i just mention that they chose a particularly good theme song for the whole sony worldwide initiative

also

WHAT

I SAY GOOD SIR

RESIDENT EVIL

PSP

I would almost buy one for co-op MGS.

Sweet fucking Jesus. I'm going to pistol whip the new person that says PSP.

Damn toilet gaming.


DAMN IT TO HELL.

AT LEAST GET CLOSER TO THE SCREEN.

Is SOE gonna be a part of this conference or are they like banned forever from E3?

seriously

what is that rpg they keep showing on the psp screen

not monster hunter or soul calibur (just shown)

before that

personawoooooooooooooooooooooooo

It's so tiny, who the fuck knows?

Uhh, what was that game with the top hat dude?

i seriously need some titles for some of these games

top hat was soul calibur

NEW JEANNE D'ARC

what's up clap hanz

Meh, without names it's like a pretty picture slideshow.  Time to buy a PSP again though.

pink psp for girls stuff is a little over the top

game companies are still trying to figure out how to handle girls

WHAAA?? I missed that.

Most of those were LBP costumes.

FF7 on PSP = sell lots of Go

Smart move that

"ever evolving" = we can't finish this piece of shit

Wait... was that a sequel to Echochrome?  Hotness.

Dear God, not Home...

that was over 60 seconds ago, please keep up.  Also: only schild cares about racing on the toilet.

a 2d sequel yes

i play my psp and ds while lying in bed actually

it's comfy

i play my ipod on the toilet

hay that fag stole my apartment

People actually use Home?

dude i logged into home the other day

there are shittons of people in that shit

i don't know why

The best they can do to showcase Home is a commercial.  Heh.

i hope no one claps

ah

bugger

HERE

WE

GO

turn off your fucking cell phones

That must have been awkward.

Maybe they'd have more time if they stopped with the chrome symbols

white knight chronicles up in this mofo

What the hell is with them showing everything through a screen on the screen?

Another sampler video with no names and not full screen.  Are they trying to fuck this up?

oh shit the saw game is still real

I can name every single game in this video

except Mass Hamster

You are also not a normal human being.

I go where the games are.

fill me in.. what was said about gt5.. he just talked about the psp go version

HERE

WE

GO

I have to admit, though.  Sony has the best selection of upcoming games.  Microsoft showed some neat shit, but Sony showed a LOT of neat shit.

No surprises unless I missed something.

i liek quenn

no one wants to see assassin's creed 2

NO ONE

wares jade

IT DIDN'T NEED A SEQUEL

IT WAS JUST BAD WRITING

DAMN YOU FRANCE

Why is it so hard for them to figure out that we just want them to show us the games?

They'll probably follow the formula and save the surprise till the very end.

Rockstar ps3 "exclusive" spy game "Agent".  No info.

At least they're showing gameplay instead of cgi.

AC2 could not look more like AC1 unless they actually just booted up AC1.

GOD THIS IS TERRIBLE

at least we can't really blame sony

more like

blame ubisoft

blame canada




























lol

fire as thermals for a glider.. ok...

72 on meta critic

ok next

Hey, need a PSP to 100% AC2.  Rock on.

The AC games are just one big ZBrush tutorial.

I admit it.  Assassin's Creed is my Gran Turismo.

you'll get to do the same thing

over and over

in an even bigger game

we learned nothing from the other one

Which holiday?  Bastille Day?

HAI RACETRACKS

ffxiii

making a sammich

I'll still end up buying if they release it during a slow time.

yegolev

you shutup or there will be white smoke coming out of your chimney by noon tomorrow

Anyone have a deck of cards?


Har!  I'll be too busy climbing walls and stabbing people over 100 levels to worry about you.

FFXIII English voice acting sounds kinda crappy.  Subtitles please?

I concur on the voice acting.

HOL FYUCK

oh hai.

THAT SHIT JUST HAPPENED

FFXIV?  :facepalm:

That's what you said about 13

In 2010

hahahahhaahahhaahahah oh microsoft

remember when i said

that sony gave up final fantasy xiii for a reason

THIS IS FUCKING IT

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

PLEASE GOD LEARN FROM FINAL FANTASY XI

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, I give up.  I have to get a PS3.  Fuck.

LOL taek that Lineage II

So FFXI-2?

when he said final fantasy iv

my shorts fell off like king hippo

BEHOLD!  Battle of the Motion Controllers!

Retard peripheral at the what.. hour 20 mark?  Time to get some ice cream.

bullshit inc

i think the guy with black hair is high

we liek beige

also we date

that's a vibrator

It's a purple-knobbed DILDO!   :awesome_for_real:

And it vibrates too!

how did they manage to fuck this up

Oh Jesus, it hurts.

He's the dildo bitch.

Lightning bolt! Lightning Bolt! Lightning Bolt!

STILL HARD!

He's the catcher.

hard.  hyuk.

LARGE ONES.

That's actually, pretty damned cool...  great resolution on that thing

Did they program this demo backstage?

my tuna sandwich was delicious

Yeah, it looks like it isn't a total piece of shit, like the wii stick. Too bad the games for it will still suck ass.

LASER WHIP

STAR WARS GALAXIES FOR THE PS3 CONFIRMED

tracking looks cool, no accuracy beyond himself apparently.

jedi BDSM!

Alright, whip is cool.

Where the hell are we? MIT?

Ratchet & Clank uses laser whip.  So sorry.

He almost drew a heart.

NEXT

ON

TED

No one has drawn a penis yet. 

The analog trigger is a simple but cool function.  I like it.

oh

table top games

so obvious, did not even think about it

nintendo, get with the program

taek that turn baesd strategy

Awesome, Piimote lets them do shit we've been doing on a mouse for decades.

Welp, looks better than the Wiimote.

This looks better than Red Steel.

Right in the cock.

Ok, I'll admit, the bow thing looks kinda cool.

Archery looks much much better than Wii

wut no daence number?

that was what the wii was supposed to be

TRICO

COMEON YOU FUCKERS

Yeah, it might be a dildo but looks SO much better than Nintendo's $.95 hardware.

awwwwwwwwwwwwwww Captain Jack Sackboy

Fuck LittleBigPlanet. 

Dude, the dungeon crawls with that Non-WAGGLE PS3 thing!

I'm going to recreate Dragula.

I'm kinda impressed

Sony shows stick and goes "hey this could be cool"

and then is like

"Oh also, new license"

oh games

lookit that.

Suck my LittleBigCock, that game is awesome.

GET OFF THE STAGE.

I still stand by the fact they need to patch the jumping physics, otherwise, it was incredible.

The actual game part was terrible.  But anyhow, hey.. missiles!

Little Big Mario Kart

what are you complaining about rasix?

I don't care for cart racers.

Hey schild make me a racetrack.

Why couldn't they do this with Wipeout instead of this encephalitic shit?

LOOK AT THAT EDITING TOOL

holy crap

lern2platform

Ummm.. this does look spiffy.

fucking awesome.  that is all.

guys sorry

but that is really really fucking cool

FUCK

Trackmania redux

ok fuck

DAY FUCKING ONE

calling it

schild i'll maek u a track

yegolev

i'll maek u 5

sheep

SHEEP

SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP

sheep!

LIGHTING OH MY GOD

where did this game come from, it's awesome

Yes the mouse was great at handling the vertical axis... :oh_i_see:

Anyway nothing to get too excited about. Just like MS this is hardware without viable software to sell it like Wiisports did it for the Wiimote.

I can see this used for Micro MMO games.

game of the show

my brain just split apart, one side said to the other 'my god it's full of stars'

WHAT THE HELL

MORE?

team ico

team fucking ico

FUMITO UEDA

sony just won

This.

It's Forrest Gump for the PS3!!!

so

this is what happens when sony gets off their ass

i'd forgotten what it was like for nearly a decade

It's a giant chicken?

ok no

despite playstation lifestyle leaking this

sony just stole the show

That's some beautiful artwork right there.

OH MY GOD

FALCOR!!!!!!!!!

i love games >_>

RAWR

I feel like I need to pay 8.50 at the box office for seeing that.

TRETTON IS A FUCKING MONSTER THIS YEAR

RALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY

NASCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR

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POLYPHONY DIGITAL AM GOD

HERE IT COMES.

HERE

WE

GO

TURN OFF YOUR FUCKING CELL PHONES

FUCK

guys

this is the best presser in the history of gaming

numbers GAMES GAMES GAMES GAMES obligatory home reference GAMES GAMES GAMES GAMES GAMES GAMES

OK, I've played GoW already, let's see something besides harpy tits.

[orders PS3]

yegolev

don't naysay god of war

bayonetta can eat kratos balls

NOW STUFF LUKE SKYWALKER IN THERE

violence is awesome

Oh it will be good.  I know this.  I want new info.

i just burnt myself with a cigarette that ashed on me


while staring at god of war 3

TSUNANIMOUS

Just fucking wow.  Sony has completely floored me this day.

poor, poor microsoft

I'm spent.

they didn't even have to show heavy rain other than 2 frames in the montage

fucking hell

That demo was more like watching someone play a cinematic than actually watching Gameplay.  
Combine that with that new motion controller and hmmmm...

Welp, I was saving up for a new computer, but this has changed.  It's nice to see Sony finally back on track.

AND IT ONLY TOOK THEM LIEK 5 YEARS

Is this the thread where we talk in capitals and misspell simple words?

Only while watching the live feed.  You missed it.  Mentioning mudkips is once again a bannable offence.

No, this is the thread where microsoft unveiled 3 sequels and a game that's been in production for the better part of a decade, nintendo showed a bunch of mario, and sony punched them both right the fuck in the teeth.

Looks like Wiebe only made it to 600k on attempt 2.

Find me a link to the presser for download! NOW!

Meh.  God of War 3 and Uncharted 2 look really good.  LittleBigKartRacer was cool on a technical level, but not sure I'll really like the game.  Other than that we got to see a little bit of M.A.G. gameplay which didn't really give me an impression of whether or not I'd like it, the Trico video which we already saw, the title of a new R* game, and a video clip of GT5 with no release info, which is kind of pathetic given that Prologue came out over a year ago now.  Oh, and the follow up to FFXI which would be like looking forward to SOE doing a follow up to SWG.

I need to rewatch the presser and start taking notes.  Playstation Network is free too?  That's handy

Microsoft: "lololololol soial networking also, WHO NEEDS A CONTROLLER and here's crackdown 2, made by some other people"

Nintendo: "Here's some new mario, some new mario, some new mario, hey hardcore fans, more mario. Also, fuck pilotwings, have fun in minigames land. Also, Metroid, this is kinda cool, bet you wish it was in HD"

Sony: "This is neat camera tech. Maybe we'll do something with it. Oh, by the way, we herd u liek games."

oh right

who could forget about james cameron not shutting the hell up >_<

It's still encoding... patience

I am pretty stoked for Crackdown 2, regardless of who made it.  But, yeah, looking like Sony is pulling well ahead of the competition.

Sony has more unannounced exclusives through the next year than they just showed btw. Just saying.

I care about two things in press conferences:  Gameplay videos and announcements.

I think Sony beat out MS and Nintendo on Gameplay videos, but they didn't have shit for announcements outside the PSP stuff.

Yea, Little Big Mario Kart, Agent, Final Fantasy XIV and The Last Guardian weren't announcements.

Just because The Last Guardian leaked, doesn't mean it wasn't an announcement.

Including Billy Thompson, the design lead on Crackdown 1.

Don't forget Captain Sackboy Sparrow.

Captain Jack Sackboy to you sir.

Agent was barely an announcement.  FFXIV?  If anyone other than Margalis is looking forward to it at this point I'll be fucking amazed.  And it sucks for Team Ico, but if your announcement gets leaked early it lessens the impact.  The same is true for Forza 3 and Crackdown 2, but at least Forza showed off some gameplay.

You're just being a negative nancy.

You should stop that, it's not your normal bag.

Heh, maybe he's working on it.  Maybe they'll get it right.  Who knows at this point?

So what just happened.  I'm at work.  What is sony making to make me buy a PS3.  TELL ME

A motion sensitive dildo.

I want to know what shit he was refering too.

FFXIV being PS3 exclusive.  You can tell from my "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" when they added "Online" at the end.

Yea, that was halfway to a buzzkill. But hopefully they learned something. A lot of somethings.

It's still a knife to the face of Microsoft.

Sorry, they just spent a lot more time on PSP, tech demos, Home, and other stuff that I didn't find interesting, and I was hoping that the Trico video got leaked because they had at least some small amount of new footage to show off here.

Really, there's a lot of stuff shown off or announced so far at E3 that I'm happy about.  Having just introduced Left 4 Dead to my brother who is out here visiting while on leave, we've played through all the scenarios on advanced now in local co-op on the 360, so I was really stoked to hear the L4D2 annoucement.  Shadow Complex reminds me of Flashback graphically, and I like Metroidvania games (but generally hate portables which is where most of the genre ends up).  Alan Wake looked great, and the new Splinter Cell game wasn't even on my radar until yesterday.  Don't care much for the Halo and MGS franchises, but new games in those series should do well for MS.

Didn't watch the Nintendo conference at all.  Don't have a Wii, and don't really see myself getting one until they're $99 or so.

As for Sony, I'm really looking forward to God of War 3, Uncharted 2, and Trico (easier than typing out the actual title).  Wish they'd showed off some more Heavy Rain.  Not because I need to see more footage of the game, but just because I want to see them hyping this game up as much as possible to generate sales.  I'll probably pick M.A.G. up just because I'm sure most of the PS3 owners here will be playing it when it comes out, so it should be fun on that level.

I could watch the Mass Effect 2 trailer over and over.  Glad to see APB is still moving forward, Dante's Inferno is still looking a little rough, but I'm looking forward to it, and Dragon Age continues to be one of my most anticipated games, even if they can't put out a good trailer for it to save their lives.

In defiance of your AC hate, I'm excited for Assassin's Creed 2.  Sure the first one was repetitive, but there was enough in there that I liked, and these games have a lot of style.

So overall, I'm very pleased with E3 this year.

Ok i'm less confused now.  Still need to watch presser.

Hopefully it's not a piece of shit like the last one.

It was absolutely by far without a doubt the best presser sony has ever done and blew away everything from the last few years from anyone.

I find it amazing they managed to do so without White Knight Chronicles, Demon's Souls, Last Rebellion, Afrika, Heavy Rain - I mean shit, there's about 15 exclusives altogether that just weren't shown at all. It would've been embarassing overkill - and you gotta save stuff for Leipzig or TGS.

I'm sure Grunk will let you into his Guild.

Little Big Mario Kart, even if it ends up bad, purely on a technical level, was still my game of show.

That shit was amazing.

Question: If FFXIV (etc) have been announced already, what's the odds on there being anything worth watching at the Squeenix presentation tomorrow?
FFVI DS please God

Odds are, it'll be footage and some odds and ends announcements.

Maybe something awesome, but who knows. It would be hard to top that though, even if they're the devs.

There's some unannounced stuff coming up in 1 hr. on the Gamespot coverage.
Right now it's more Beatles, SC, and Brutal Legend.

Here you go (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-metroid-other/50258).

The Vitality sensor for the Wii? Really, what the fuck? What that hell is that even supposed to be FOR? Taking your pulse while balance your pounds away in Wii Fit? Do you fuckers even know why you made this little doodad? The Resident Evil games for Wii are both a gigantic MEH for me. The only thing that got me excited was Red Steel 2, and the Conduit is due in three weeks, so why bother taking time at this show to hype it. Hey, Reggie? The plot... she's over that way.

Still looking for video of the Sony Dildo.

The Sony Vibrator (it's very much a vibrator, not a dildo ^_^), wasn't cool, until about halfway through. The writing, paint, and last couple bits in the arena were incredible. But unlike Microsoft or Nintendo, they just showed it for two reasons:

1. This is some neat tech.
2. The Eyetoy has been basically doing what Natal did for a long time, we just never added shit for human body sensing.
3. They wanted to show the Wiimote for the mess of inaccuracy that it is. Even with Motion Plus.

They really didn't need to show it, but there it is. Hell, it may never even reach the market.

Natal is still the worst name ever for that thing.

Yeah, that Natal name has got to go. It's as bad as the Wiimote, but given the success of the latter, what's in a name? They really don't ever need to let Molyneux show off a tech like that again. Milo is some seriously creepy pedobear shit, and we all know whatever game he manages to shoehorn that tech into will be half-finished, buggy and weird as fuck. On the plus side, I'm sure NAMBLA just ordered a 360 for every one of their members.  :why_so_serious:

The photos I've seen of the Vibrator are interesting, though unless they put an analog stick on one of those things, I'm not sure how it'll handle avatar movement. Hope it's a better stick than the Wiichuk.

A sequel to the FF11 could be cool, FF11 was the last of the immersive "world" mmo's and probably the best done of any of them ever.  I know we have debates once in a while about if the FF art is worse then WoW's approach but we have a ton of idiots around here.  In the end I'm not sure what the point is though, its not WoW and I don't know how many people are left who are over WoW and still give a fuck about MMO's.

I haven't watched anything though, just read Schild's funny posts.  When somebody links a HD quality of the Sony press conference I'll d/l and watch.

More live SC coverage:
http://e3.gamespot.com/live.html?tag=content_nav;live

If i am not mistaken, its not the controller doing the bulk of the work, it was the Eyetoy. Notice the two, vibrators, had different colored tips.

I can't watch Gamespot live. The people are too bright eyed and naive.

Agree, but there's nothing else until G4 in 20 mins.

What else could there possibly be that I have to see this week?

Here's the Sony presser:
http://video.ign.com/streaming/e3-2009/index.html?start=0&stop=7054&show=0&ep=http%3A//cms001.slc1.qcn3.movenetworks.com/cms/publish/vod/vodclip/foxign/5531.qvt

New JGE Trailer from E3. (http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/696015/Exclusive-Jumpgate-Evolution-E3-Trailer.html)
..kinda lame

I think i saw a nipple!

Ok, MAG does look shit hot.  :awesome_for_real:

wiebe just started again.. tune in about an hour if he doesn't fail http://e3.g4tv.com//e32009/g4onthefloor/wiebecam/

Yep, Sony just dropkicked the Wii AND the 360/Natal in the fucking nuts. The demonstrations with the Vibrator just absolutely kill.

And the power went out... ~180k all his lives left

"Is Billy Mitchell around here somewhere?"

Sounds like they are trying to fix the console atm.

I just want a download link :(

Jeezus. No Chrome support for their crappy player? wtf is up with that?

E3 was pretty good for both Sony and MS. At least they are finally understanding it is a gaming conference and not a shareholders meeting. We don't really care about numbers we just want to see the games.

From MS I was happy to see Crackdown 2, L4D2, Alan Wake and most of all SC: Conviction. Ubisoft really knocked it out of the park with that one. Project Nada (A project name Schild not the final name...hurr durr) is interesting but as with all motion controls its all a gimmick and only fun with other people but shitty when I want to play alone and veg out.

With Sony I was of course impressed with God of War 3, Uncharted (Wow!), GT5 graphics (Racing games....zzzzzzz....), and some of the new PSP games. MAG was rather meh, it had tons of graphic problems like screen tearing and frame rate issues that hopefully will be fixed by launch...knowing Zipper it will be a mess at launch but will eventually be polished.

Overall I am really disappointed with the focus on motion controllers from all 3 companies but I guess it was inevitable.

Top 3 games of show so far:

1. Mass Effect 2
2. SC: Conviction
3. Uncharted 2

Lools like some good things coming -  :heart: for Uncharted 2!

As a race game fan though I think MS has it over Sony this gen (Forza vs. GT) - if I could afford I would totally set this up:

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i'm so unhappy

Kicked down the Wii yea. That controller was smoooth.

Not sure I agree about them beating out Natal though. This still looks like the Wii motion plus Nintendo wanted to make. They made creative use of a a really high-def one-handed wand, it's still merely a one-handed wand.

In the end though we've got three decades of accessories to show that the device is less important than who shows up to play with. You either redesign the whole up-front purchase around the new control scheme ala Wii, or you get 25% or less of your owners to buy some after-market device. That in turn means less developer support. Heck, lookit the Wii itself. 100% tie ratio between console owners and Wii-mote owners and it's still mostly (with exception of course) the first-party stuff that properly utilizes it.

I don't see either one changing the field for either console.

Game wise, I thought Sony's showing was better though.

Downloading Uncharted 2 beta now! Can't wait!

What the hell happened in here?  I'm catching up on page on page six from lunch then notice the thread has exploded like we're discussing the NGE.

Sony didn't fuck up even a little is what happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn5rBftQ1b0

holy crap

He came so close. :(

Um, they all are.  It's kind of the point.

I see.  Good to hear.

Yea, the whole thing was pretty traumatic. And the run when the power went out was amazing. It's truly a new american tragedy. Hopefully he tries again tomorrow.

Seeing the Hall of Fame induction (there's a hall of fame?) was a pretty upbeat way to end it though. Did he at least beat his own old record?

Famitsu came out.

Metal Gear Solid Rising is for the PS3 also.

Finally got to see the Sony presser (was at work during it).  Sony blew everyone else out of the water on their event.  Reggie had to watch that and just say "fuuuuuucccckk". 

The sword/shield applications of the tech demo Sony showed has fucktons of potential.  Between that and the bow/arrow application, you could almost see a very awesome adventure game on the way.  In about 3-5 years, but w/e. 

I'm not too hot on God of War, but damn... that was simply amazing. 

GT5 e3 and GT:PSP are up @720p at http://www.gran-turismo.com/en/movie/d3284.html

This may force me to upgrade from my PS2.  Damn, I love racing games/sims. 

Really don't see any developers signing on to do a big AAA title for that device anytime soon (Natal neither). Hopefully though the internal groups get the resources to go for it. No idea how much the remote is going to cost, but considering the Wii-motes are $50 and you get your first one for free, and can't see these being impulse priced. That also complicates bundling. Would you rather have your Assassin's Creed 2 for $70 or $120+?

I think some folks may be misreading the tea leaves here. These aren't full-on answers to the Wii-mote, which in my opinion still doesn't sell the idea of immersion as it does intuitive controls (and then only for the scant few games that properly utilize it).

These are good gimmicks to try and take a stab at broadening their considerable basis beyond the hardcore they already have and the Wii will not get in this cycle. But they're probably going to be pricey and have such limited support that we really won't know until the next cycle whether they become dedicated features in the next PS and Xbox iteration.

There's nothing at all surprising about the origins of the Sony device in the EyeToy. The technology itself has never been the main problem here.

Dude needs some driving lessons.  Also, I might like racing on a toilet.  That looks super.

lol, nevermind. After watching it all day, now Sony and Microsoft have finally shown up in my RSS feeds.

Was going to say, the biggest item still on google trends today is FFXIV

Darniaq said what I wanted to say. Precision was never the Wiimote's primary issue, eventhough it is a big issue. Sony's contraption doesn't solve how we're practically going to play a fully developed, modern game using motion capture. It's just a "hey, we can too" to Nintendo/MS. Exceptionally few activities in real life (or games) involve standing still and swinging your arms about.

herro!

I'm about to join a uncharted 2 game with 10 other players.

After checking my feeds off and on all day and seeing almost nothing but stories about the Wii Vital Sensor I was getting a bit annoyed.

I'm getting wasted.

This shit is amazing looking.

The Wii Vital Sensor is one of those things that seems to make perfect sense in Japan (where, remember, there are arcade games about anally violating your boss with your finger), but I'm willing to bet that no Nintendo employee with round eyes was within a continent of the board room when that shit went down. 

I'm surprised how seriously people are taking the new motion controllers. Personally I found it a little sad that both MS and PS3 are so transparently playing follow the leader. I have the same question for both technologies: in an FPS how do I strafe left?

From what I've heard the Nunchuck was something Nintendo was forced to add to get around basic character control issues. Using the PS3 dildo how do you move left? You use your left hand to operate a standard PS3 controller left stick? On the MS system you do a mock sidestep?

Neither motion control system has a release date, a price or an annouced game. MS developers got their first kits for it yesterday according to MS. That's the start of the process of evaluating it, learning how to use it, deciding if you want to make something for it, then actually making it. Remember the Wii blew up when people stood in line to play Wii Sports at E3, not when they saw tech demos. Both companies are teasing motion controllers because they want a piece of the expanded audience and they want to be able to compete based on bullet points. It's about being able to say "look we have motion control too."

Technology-wise the MS stuff at least looks interesting.
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Aside from that, here is my summation of the three conferences:

MS: Pretty good if you're looking for a bunch of sequels to shooters, otherwise pretty mediocre. No surprises. Halo appears to be weakening as a franchise, not generating much buzz. Probably pleased the typical XBox fans but as someone who does not enjoy the move-your-reticle-with-the-right-stick-and-pull-trigger-to-shoot-man-in-face genre I found it pretty underwhelming. To me this was the weakest of the three for that reason - the only game I can imagine myself buying is Alan Wake, and that's only if it can prove that's it's a lot less like SH5 and Alone in the Dark and a lot more like SH2. (Hey, it has the story so why not?)

I found "hey, do you guys like Castlevania and Metroid? Well here's a ripoff! Look it has the same map!" to be pretty odd. Might be a very fun game but I'm not sure why anyone would promote a new game like that.


Sony: Less presentation razzle-dazzle than MS (no celebs) and a more garbled message, but more interesting offerings in a wider genre. Underscored the difference between PlayStation and 360. A few genuine surprises. Kart racing game looked interesting, though I have no interest in it. Both MS and Sony offered Kart racers (hmm...) but at least this one had a hook. Was surprised to see that "test footage from a year ago" of Trico was pretty much what was shown, still it's a game I'll likely enjoy. God of War3 was pretty much exactly what you'd expect, nothing less, nothing more. Have lost interest.

Also: FFXIV. I called it in the car this morning on the way to work. Ironically I may not have the time to actually play it given my current position but I'm looking forward to it. Really curious to see how it differs from XI.

Nintendo: Worst presentation in terms of presentation. Delivered the most genuine surprises. 2D Mario was slightly spoiled. Galaxy 2 was a complete surprise. Metroid with Team Ninja was the surprise of the show. I could have named literally 70 developers that Nintendo could team up with to create a more mature game without naming them. That was totally out of left field - well played. Keeping Galaxy 2 and Metroid a secret was impressive.

Overall it really wasn't dissapointing. Although I'm dissapointed with what MS has to offer I think I have to chalk that up to being out of step with the demographic there. (Anyone looking to trade a PS3 for a 360 plus cash?)

What was the garbled message, good sir?

Just a question, did Obsidian Entertainment show up at E3?  I ask because they had a number of titles that I was pretty interested in and I have heard nothing about them.

Edit:  I see they did from Obsidian's Web site, did anyone have any impressions on the Alpha Protocol presentation?

Again, I said 3-5 years.  Sony had a neat tech demo on it.  If it comes to fruition, awesome.  If not, oh well.

When I saw the sword/shield combo, I thought of playing Oblivion like that.  Then switching on the fly to your bow, and so forth. 

I'll be there tomorrow, I'll try to stop buy, check it out and report back if they have anything at their booth.

The problem I've got with Natal (as groundbreaking as it is) is there's absolutely no tactile response between you and any virtual tool you plan to use (sword, bow, gun, etc.), since you're just swinging your limbs through the air.  This REALLY kinda kills the interface to the game, unless you've got some kind of LARPing prop to make up the difference or focus on games that only require magic, psionics, etc.  The purple-dildo at least has some feel to it, although the tech. is overall obviously more limiting.

There's only one other company that's pulled off what Natal has, but it's not even commercially available for even development work.  So regardless, it's a leap forward for interface design and deserves Kudos.  

As for dev. timetables, imo (not that anyone respects it) most of these interfaces arent all that challenging to port even into an existing game really.  It's all just gesture-based macroed button pushes and/or analog X-Y coordinates.  The game engine doesnt know the difference.  Matter of fact, you could probably use a 3rd-party prog to pretty much use the interface(s) on any game.  e.g. if I was making an RPG or Bushido Blade type game that releases within 1 year from now, I'd find a way to incorporate Natal/dildo.

That's what all this motion-sensing technology is making me think of.

This is MS and Sony playing follow-the-leader, despite the fact that the leader in this area has seen a lot of (third party) developers worry about exactly how to design for a Wiimote. Perhaps they've got it by now and MS / Sony can benefit from them taking up Nintendo's time in working it out.

I got home from the office late this afternoon, jumped on steam, and made the mistake of asking Schild how the Sony conference went....

I was hit with a blast of text scrolling so fast that I believe it sent me into some kind of coma. I still can't feel my legs.

Sony, you fuckers, put MAG on the PC.

Did DCUO get any player or run any trailers?  Can't seem to find much on it, and that shitty shitty shit Myspace page won't load in Japan.

2 seconds of it in the PS3 montage.

No PS3 price drop/slim model I'd say was their biggest fuck up.

There are a lot of games that I want to be on the PC. If I was forced to choose only one it would be Splinter Cell over MAG.

I seriously also wish EA would just cough up Fight Night round 3 and port it to the Wii. After playing Punchout! I've regained my desire to see that happen.

How can you possibly believe that FNR3 on the Wii would be any good at all?  They would have to dumb it down beyond all recognition.

http://video.ign.com/streaming/e3-2009/index.html#
Scroll to the DCUO demo on the right.  (note the suckage)

Gamespot has a live stage demo tomorrow also, which I've seen to be the most informative by FAR for all the games they've done.

If you want any info. on pretty much anything,  ign and gamespot are the best... either Live or through their archives.

I'd guess it could be as simple as leaning to the left. Didn't see the MS presentation, but in Sony one they had no problem moving gun around the virtual room.

If its a WII, you press the directional controller. if its NTAIL, you do nothing, If its the PS3, you ... Strafe left.



I would like to point out, the one Microsoft has shown was 100% simulated. The PS3 demo, was live, real, and real time. (http://e3.g4tv.com/videos/38759/Sonys-Playstation-Motion-Controller-Demonstration-at-E3-09/) I think its Microsoft who is farting in the wind and made a video of a wish list item.

Watching the Sony Presser now.

OMG MAG

fuck.

After perusing the videos at Gametrailers, my games to look out for are:

Splinter Cell: Conviction (360) (Game of Show for me)
Mass Effect 2 (360)
Alpha Protocol (360/PS3)
Crackdown 2 (360)
Dragon Age (360/PC)
Uncharted 2 (PS3)
Assassin's Creed 2 (360/PS3)
The Last Guardian (PS3)
Heavy Rain (PS3)
Lost Planet 2 (360)
Split/Second (360/PS3)
Metroid: Other M (Wii)
Dead Rising 2 (360/PS3)
Tastsunoko vs Capcom (Wii)
MAG (PS3)
Alan Wake (360)
Final Fantasy XIII (360/PS3)

Four of those are PS3 only, so it's nice to see Sony get their heads in the game this year.  The PS3 just need to get to that impulse buy level ($300 for me), and the PSP Go is starting at the wrong price point (and why continue to sell the old PSP, if you're going to be releasing PSP Go-only games?).

wth are you talking about?  They both were live demos.  One was partially simulated (MS), one was not simmed at all(PS3).  And the demo for MS was way better because it had both live and sim.
Let me burst your bubble a bit more, the tech. that PS3 is using is over 10 years old.  It's old tagged A.R. technology [tagged=some kind of programming symbol the system recognizes, like a rune, reflective tape, IR, etc.]... just like in movie mocap or that shitty tech. you saw on CNN during the election.  It's absolutely nothing special, aside from the fact it's being developed for Sony.   (I can give you software RIGHT NOW, that'll allow you to do the exact same thing only you wont be holding a glowy dildo; you just print out an A.R. cube and stick it on the end of a wand... Sony's version is just covered by that glowy penix head)

Natal is the only truly groundbreaking thing in the entire E3 (we'd need a new thread to discuss it).  And even that really isnt new tech.  Neither are wishlist items; they're stuff that's been out a while, only just now being embraced by suits with money.  A truly SMART developer would use both technologies to make the best interface possible.  Your "props" will be utilized via the PS3 wand, and everything else will be interacted with through MS's facial/body-recognition system.

The caveat is, there's absolutely nothing stopping MS from just adding a tagged wand to their system, which would basically pwn everyone else outright.  Why they didnt add that to their demo is beyond me, but I guarantee you it's part of the system. (cutting down Milo with a sword would've been cool)

All this angst and cynicism towards MS for their E3 presentation isnt justified at all.  A lot of good/smart people have worked on bringing that tech. to the masses for quite some time; I'd like to say they deserve some credit, even in this forum.  Sony deserves none, they're just biters... always have been (they're good at teh shinay though).  Nintendo just stuck a gyro on a light-gun, then added another gyro, then yelled "MARIO."  MS actually brought something more groundbreaking that moreso represents a paradigm shift in the way we can interface; there are WAY more possibilities with their tech. than anything else you've seen at E3 in a looooong time.

Kojima Productions' Lords of Shadow (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/06/new-castlevania-title-may-involve-kojima-productions.ars) is revealed as Castlevania: Lords of Shadow.

Also, Natal is working tech, as shown by Kotaku's Hands-On (http://kotaku.com/5276789/from-stick-figure-to-mind+blowing-controls).  Most of the presser seemed realtime as well, since no one needs to look that stupid for a simulation.

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In case you missed it: Tap L1 and R1 to RIP SOMEONES HEAD OFF WITH YOUR BARE HANDS.

What about shitting down the neck, though?  :oh_i_see:

There is a new attachment for that. and its 60$

It was kinda hard to miss.  I'm struggling to figure out if I find that unbelievably awesome, or just fucking disgusting.  Perhaps they aren't mutually exclusive.

Well, that's one way to utilize Natal.

"Look at what just happened."
"Scan".

Agree.


Why is it more limiting? It's using a camera to track movement just like the Natal, only there's the tactile feedback and buttons. To me, the Sony Vibrator had a lot more possibilities than the Natal, Pedobear Stalking Game notwithstanding.


There's only one other company that's pulled off what Natal has, but it's not even commercially available for even development work.  So regardless, it's a leap forward for interface design and deserves Kudos.

The Natal to me falls flat on its face because: 1) it's an addon meant to attract the Wii's casual crowd but 2) it's likely going to cost $50-$100 on top of the $300-$400 for the 360 (compared to its competition at $250 w/ a game included) and 3) it seems to require a shitton of room most families don't have in their living room. The casual crowd is just not the 360's area - it costs too much and the games are not there for that crowd. Microsoft is trying to make it the home entertainment box but that falls flat because 1) no Blu-Ray, 2) its main draw is games and its main library is not family/casual games but hardcore games. Microsoft is chasing Wii money but they learned the wrong lesson of the Wii.

The PS3 demo, OTOH, didn't target the casual audience - it targeted gamers, which is the console's audience. It targeted geeks with money to burn. In short, it was an upgrade for the current audience, not an attempt to reach a market that doesn't exist for the console. In business terms, it was a retention mechanism, not chasing after a new market that likely wouldn't buy the original product anyway.

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4) requires slim people able to withstand prolonged cardio workout. 5) people just love it when the guy in apartment upstairs keeps jumping and landing on the floor with heavy thud every few seconds.

The Sony motion thingy had many, MANY more applications that the MS one.

One thing the Natal brings to the table the others don't, though...

... if it works anywhere near as good as they claim it does, development of realistic animations for computer games might get whole hell cheaper and accessible..?

Working 12 hour days during E3 sucks.  I'm going to have no idea what happened.

I don't think so.  The Sony product's abilities are a subset of the abilities of the MS product.

But execution is more important than the product itself in this case.  If it's 'easier' to do fun, relevant things in one more than the other then that's the one that will win, at least for this generation.

My guess is that they wanted to show they:

• Weren't as obviously copying Nintendo as Sony was. And everyone who needed to know probably knew what Sony was going to show. Didn't matter how well their wand performed, we've known for, what, a year they were working on a wand?
• Trying to evolve to the next step of immersion beyond the limitations of a single-handed 3D wand.
  
  

No. Games target gamers. Sony's device presentation was merely a tech demo with a sub-LBG casual presentation to show they can make one too using technology that would work just as well on the original EyeToy but which they had no reason to actually do until Nintendo clocked them.

As to pricing, as I said last page: Wii-mote is $50. How much you think a camera plus wand is going to be? Natal will likely cost more for sure, but neither of these devices is going to draw in a whole bunch of Wii expats into their realm. It's an affinity purchase at first, until real third party developers thrown down with serious budgets to utilize them right. How many have done that for the existing wand console? How many developers showed up for the EyeToy.

Heck, someone said something like this only matters because Sony's got their name on it. I wonder why they think that matters.

Wii isn't ahead in this cycle because of technology. They are because of marketing and a first first party games for a different audience.

With the MS system you can sell peripherals with the game. 

Hack and Slash sword game?  You can sell a sword or a hilt or whatever with buttons and vibrations and whatever else you want to put on there.  That hilt can double as a bow and arrow thingy.

FPS game?  Obvious answer there.

The only issue i have is how do you create games where you have movement AND do that movement well so it isn't awkward like it is on the Wii.

When i said application, i was referring to i can see many more of its capability's translating into game play.

The MS one seemed more oriented to thoes that use the consoles as a media entertainment, as opposed to games. (such as the voice activated calling and outfits shopping from the video).

You missed my point. The Sony demo wasn't trying to target Wii expats. It was targeting its core audience. The MS demo was targeting the casual crowd. You might as well have had Peter Molyneux drive up and say "Wee would like to play."

This.

But that has not been a successful strategy thus far

April 2009 sales figures: 

# DS: 1,040,000 (Total: 30.7 million; April 2008: 414,800 - up 151%)
# Wii: 340,000 (Total: 19.9 million; April 2008: 714,200 - down 38%)
# Xbox 360: 175,000 (Total: 15.1 million; April 2008: 188,000 - down 7%)
# PS2: 172,000 (Total: 44 million; April 2008: 124,400 - up 38%)
# PS3: 127,000 (Total: 7.6 million; April 2008: 187,100 - down 32%)
# PSP: 116,000 (Total: 15.1 million; April 2008: 192,700 - down 40%)

No, it hasn't, and frankly, I don't think much is going to change about the PS3 sales until they drop the goddamn price into the $300 range.

Like I said, all they have to do is add a tagged-prop.  So, a sword with a glowy-dildo nubb that the camera can easily track.  This by-passes the number-crunching necessary for the system to know where your body is... it simply sees the tag and exptrapolates it into the game.  So not only would it track and render your entire body (including your face), but track any tool you're using in resolution better than that of the PS3 (the PS3's difficulty is it doesnt know where your body is, so no matter how fast it tracks the wand it still doesnt have a viable point of reference; a problem also shared with the Wii).

Wii and PS3 are the more casual product, because you can still sit on your fat ass and just wave a wand around.  And they largely only have 1 function.  Natal is something that requires your brain and body to do quite a bit more, and offers more longterm enjoyment imo... not to mention, since it's probably gonna require more space and more money to buy, I count it as a hardcore product... not casual.  (even though they intended to bring in a larger audience).

Let me offer another possible ability for Natal:
With HD OLED-based HMDs (head-mounted displays) coming into their own finally, it's quite possible for MS to design a peripheral that allows someone to xform a living/theatre-room into a V.R. CAVE.  A CAVE is basically a room that tracks your movements/position in 3-dimensions, integrates it with something, and then either projects it onto the room's walls or into your HMD... sometimes in 3-D.  Before Natal, all it could track was some glove, floating mouse, or your helmet, or a mo-cap suit.  With Natal, you can just fire it up and walk around like normal.  If you're wearing an HMD, it could also project anything onto your 1st-person perspective, meaning you can walk around and look at yourself in your Tier 3 gear.

Most people arent going to go that far (I will though) but it's something that the tech. can do.
Imagine doing a Raid, for real, in pretty much any genre you'd like (fps, rpg, adventure, whatever), without having to leave the house and deal with emo-LARPERS; feeling like a dork.  NOW, we can be total dorknerds w/o embarrassment!   :awesome_for_real:

Anyways, the techs are totally different and MS is way ahead.  The only thing really linking them are the games that implement them, which I guess is all many people really care about.  I personally would rather have a voice/face/body recognition system and game on it, rather than just some Wiimote or PS-dildo.  I frankly dont understand how someone could prefer the latter, no matter what the market is.

Why not just create a new market anyways?

You and I are using the term "casual" in completely different ways. I'm using it to describe an audience demographic, and you are using it to describe the amount of effort required to use a product.

Part of why i gave up.

Ghambit, when discussing a product shown at E3, I typically take the stance that it is in a perfect environment and the best it will ever function. While this doesn't apply to Sony - since they're using lightballs and I don't think anyone has a glowing purple, blue, green, etc room - I will personally guarantee that the microsoft thing will not work perfectly in nearly all apartment setups and rarely in a housing setup. The tech is very pretty on paper but in action, between couches, tables, etc, it stands just about no chance of having the accuracy they managed to show in the demo. Unless you live in an ampitheater, this is just microsoft jerking around.

Also, the eyetoy, while it doesn't do facial recognition, already has games up that did most of what microsoft showed, just not as accurately, which the wand changed.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter, all 3 techs are just tiny tiny steps towards virtual reality and will produce exactly zilch in amazingly immersive games. Please to be sticking to a controller and not discussing potential because it's all just a bunch of wankery.

Heh, grats on the "win" Microsoft. Perhaps Kojima is above money? But Konami isn't? It'd be nice if MS hasn't managed to poison the well over there yet.

Yeah, that would help get one in my living room…

Agreed, as long as one doesn't get the physical feedback it might as well be buttons imo. Good luck coming up with a reasonably priced system delivering belivable physical feedback.

As stated before, the applications of all these devices are a limited to a very very small subset of games. The Wii have been going at it for 2 years now with almost all complaints focusing on how tacked on the motion controls feels, same goes for every attempt made by PS3 games trying to utilize the motion controls. While this might be an indicator on how shitty game designers is, I actually think it's more related to the fact that it's simply doesn't work all that good for most games.

Same here.  I'm 99% getting one in the fall, but if it were $100 cheaper that would be nice.  I think dropping to $299 would really help to break down the price barrier that a lot of people can't get past. 

So far the only thing this e3 has made me do is turn my Wii on for the first time in many months to download FF4:The After and play it for about an hour. Progress. Maybe one day my Wii with be worth the $250 I paid for it.

Until they put the whole thing on the PSN or XBL in one download, rite? >_>

Well, I'm a triple-sucker then. Right now there's a painfully easy firmware hack for the Wii that'd let me download everything I want for free and run other homebrew, so I could've avoided giving Nintendo any money twice.

I thought Sony mentioned a price drop on the PS3 or was that for the PSP?

PSP dev kit.

Definitely agree on the Milo demo. So not the thing to show at E3. Sony knew their audience there better.

But you missed my point too. It's not about the tech. This applies to Natal, EyeToy and all the crap we used to see in the basement of Kentia. They could show freakin' cold fusion at E3 and that wouldn't mean dickall to the gamers once they left the show. Because these are after-market purchases and that market has always sucked. That fun little sword and shield demo and bow and arrow means exactly nil until Ubisoft makes proper use of it in Assassin's Creed 2, or one of the Final Fantasy's do, or some real powerhouse developer takes a real interest in it. THEN it's properly targeting their core audience.

Until then, it's like a press release for a new MMO.

Oh, right right. I was hopeful. Possible they're waiting for Christmas?

Well, it's a pretty big drop. Just under $1500, so basically, it'll cost about the same to make iphone apps soon. Well, THEORETICALLY not counting employees. It's a good price drop.

Uh, no. Not even close.

$99 (a corporate deal is a little more, but really not needed unless you're doing an exchange type app). Price is just to sell in the AppStore. Developer kit and tools are free.

$99 is for the application.
$550-$750 for the mac mini.
$229 for an ipod touch.
Mac OSX + Whatever software you'll use, mostly if you don't already have a mac (like I don't).
On the marketplace you'll be doing your own marketing and shit unless you get tied up with a publisher - with the PSP you HAVE to have a publisher of some sort, there is no app store (so they'll take the cost of that, and most likely burden some of the development).


All told, for a single user at home to make iPhone apps, at the bare minimum on mac hardware, you're looking at $1200-$1500.

The Computer + PSP that make up the PSP dev kit is $1500. An iPhone setup is the closest comparable thing. So uh, yes, very much close.