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What a weird fucking monday.

They already have a teaser. Squeeeeeeeeeeeee. (http://www.eidosmontreal.com/en/games.html)

Schild: What did you think of Deus X 2? I have that but never played it, but what I played, I enjoyed. (this was on the XBOX)

 :ye_gods: Man I am going to get back to that. Thank Monkey God I never get rid of any games ever,

Deus Ex 2 was a mess.

A big, fat, nasty mess compared to the first. Which is one of the finest masterpieces of gaming.

Here's to hoping this one isn't a nasty piece of shit.

I hope it's as good as Invisible War !!!

? Wait Invisible War is the second one right? I had fun with that. Why do you think it sucked now Schild??

They should let it die. Now instead of later. Or go back in time and abort Deus Ex 2.

This isn't a schild thing.  The game was universally panned. I never bothered playing it due to the reviews being so completely brutal.

I remember buying the PC version of Deus Ex: Invisible War when it first came out and because it ran like crap on my system I shelved it.  Years later I installed it on upgraded PC that was a billion times faster, and it still ran choppy.  Since the gameplay was muddled and barely average I shelved the game forever.

I beat Invisible War twice. I got all of the endings.

It was crap every single time. The ending quotes weren't even up to the caliber of the first game.

All the reviews I saw for Invisible war were pretty good.

http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/561456.asp

85%   :-o

Weird, I remember this game getting brutalized (at least here it was).  Maybe it's just that anyone I know who played it, hated it.  My old roommate has this game in the lowest level of hell, writhing in Satan's maw along with DAoC:TOA.

It was dumbed down. I cannot stress it enough. Universal ammo ? Wtf? A pistol fires the same ammo as rocket. Utter bullshit.
And no locational dmg for the players, not much in a way of cybernetic implants, you can just switch as you wish if I am not wrong.

Now that I think about it, it reminded me of Bioshock somewhat. I played through it once, but the loading times drove me crazy.

Everyone that wasn't a cockknobbling journalist hated it. Mostly because the writing was crap. The combat was mostly passable. The universal ammo was a lame solution but meh, the game had more problems than that.

DX2 was everything you loved about DX1 shoved into a blender with Generic_Shooter_01 and turned into a Margarita of Mediocrity.

Round three of everyone's fucked/some kinda AI merge/puppet government ho? Also, templarilluminatisecretsecretlibertylol.

I'm looking forward to knobbling some cocks.

...or....


And the web site suggests DX3 will primarily be a console game, so this isn't DX3, it is DX2 II.

This will never be good news while developers continue to assume that anything designed for a console must targeted exclusively at drunken retards.

Deus Ex 2 on it's own might have passed as a half decent console shooter with a crappy PC port, had they not called it Deus Ex 2. The moment you call something a sequal however, you are automatically compared to the original.

Compared to the original, Deus Ex 2 was a steaming shit pile. It utterly disgusts me that you even played through it Schild, on prinicple alone.

Hammer - get the original from Schild and load it up on a PC.

The former. The latter would suggest they might actually be able to write a game script with decent characterization and pacing, create characters that don't look like ass and not puke colored lighting all over like you were designing a Quake2 level for Cranky Steve's Haunted Whorehouse.

So I stand by my original statement.

It's rare I enjoy a game enough to beat it, and I beat both DX1 and DX2.  However, I beat DX1 many times, while DX2 repelled all my attempts to replay it with its general inferiority.

With any luck, DX3 will hearken back to DX1's design.  However, from the looks of that teaser (http://www.eidosmontreal.com/en/games.html), they don't really get the point of the Deus Ex series.

"For centuries, man has wondered what makes us tick... truly, this must be what Deus Ex is about: cybernetically modified embryos!"

Goodbye futuristic romp through a story stitched together from conspiracy theories.  Hello extended philosophical mental masturbation about cyborgs.

Gamer Sense says: Do Not Purchase

It may do well though, especially if it is a console game. Console FPS requires less polish to do well. With exception of COD 4 of course and in my opinion Halo 3. 

:ye_gods: Man I really can't stand to hear myself say I like that game, but I find myself playing it a lot. I just really enjoy the multiplayer stuff immensely. Ugg.

COD 4 could use a Halo 3 style stats tracker, I bet the players would like that.

It might do well in sales, but I don't have Game Publishing Executive Sense.  Only Gamer Sense.

Game Publishing Executive Sense Says: Don't fuck this up Montreal, you get one chance and it's why we've only announced one game for a multi-dev team studio.

Yeah, so... "Who's in Montreal?" is the question.  Previous Duke Nukem programmers?

Current Duke Nukem programmers.

Deus Ex 3: Duke JC Nukem

Me and SChild did a freewriting style IRC review of Invisible War quite a while back. It's a pile of dogshit and unless they realized what went wrong when they destroyed everything good about the first game, this one will be dogshit too.

I never got the DX 2 hate.  It was a let down but not a pile a shit.  It's more like Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom bad than Episode 1 bad.
It's main problem was the bugged release on PC and the general console tone down crap we often get from pc/console release.

Plus, the universal ammo makes perfect sense in a universe with nanotechnology - science is your friend.

That's a bit fucking harsh.  I'm  a drunken retard and I fucking loathed IW.  

I finished it because I felt I had to but I couldn't even bring myself to complete all the endings.  It failed on so many levels it doesn't bear thinking about.  There's no way I'd rush out to buy DX3 until people had played it through several times and said it was actually worth playing.  Like Bioshock - everyone raved about it at first and now it's just "Bioshock? Meh!"


Science sense perhaps - game sense, no way.  But that was the least of its problems.

The main trouble with DX2 was that it was considerably simpler and less gritty than the original.

"Simpler" refers not only to the ammo but many other things: The RPG mechanics of the first game were scrapped and it was now all done with Biomods.  The weapons were a lot less interesting.  The inventory management was streamlined down to some awkward slots.  The very world of DX2 was designed with easy-to-find vents and there was none of the puzzle situations that there were in the first game.

"Less gritty" refers to the whole artistic direction of DX2, which was a giant step backwards.  The characters didn't look right, they were probably victims of the uncanny valley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley).  The whole dystopian future backdrop felt faked this time, thanks in part to those easy-to-find vents everywhere, but also because the whole world looked like somebody went over every surface with a floor waxer.  Everything, character and world alike, felt scrunched and spotless even when you're supposed to be in a dingy dive.

I'll go so far as to say that DX2 was competently assembled - it wasn't really a broken game, and one of the first to incorporate meaningful physics.  I finished it - it plays.  However, it had a whole lot less artistic value than the original, and that's why it fell flat for many of us.

Now that I need to know, what happened plotwise in Deus Ex 2?

Uh

nothing of value.

Goddamnit, I wish I were kidding.

Yeah, I never bothered playing it for all the reasons already mentioned above, despite the fact that #1 is probably my favorite game of all time.

What happened in the plot, and how the fuck does it actually tie into one of the possible endings of the first one?

Deus Ex 2 assumes that all 3 endings from the first one happened.

Really, it's all bullshit.

Things happen, but they're terrible enough that you quickly repress the memory.  Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_Ex_2) can tell you about the plot of DX2 better than I can recollect.  Apparently when I finished the game I turned Earth into the Borg Collective.

I'm still waiting for the Deus Ex movie.

For some reason all 3 endings in the original game happened, the world communication hub was whacked, JC merged with the AI, and the Illuminati did some vague shit.

In the end, regardless of who you helped throughout the game (also no matter who you help or how many of their members you kill, you are always offered missions by those groups) you get the option of doing the following:

1. Doing some more vague merger bullshit so the entire world can become biomodified, democratic, and cleaned up (there's some nasty nanobot pollution I guess).
2. Help the Illuminati again.
3. Turn the world over to some fanatic guy with a cause I can't recall. I think whoever it was wanted to go back to pure humanity?

and 4, which sounds like the best option: Kill everyone since they are all fucking crazy so no force can win.

However if you do that one it causes armageddon.

Alternatively you can go into Unatco's ruins, grab the flag from ol' Manderlay's office, take it into the bathroom and flush the toilet to get the dance party ending. This is the best ending.

God it's so shameful. But it is.

Fucking dance party was great.

And I will again state that Deus Ex 2 is one of the worst games ever made from just the standpoint of how INCREDIBLY disappointing it was.

It was an ugly, poorly made game. The areas were cramped to the point where you can't tell a city apart from an underground base from a hotel from a cave from an open island. Everything is purple and all the environments look like real-time rendered 1993 CG you'd find in a budget sci-fi point and click video adventure title. This is what pissed me off the most. I can't explain how bad the environments are. You can barely see the fucking SKY and you're supposed to be walking around Chicago, but you're not really walking around Chicago but this bizzaro alleyway where the badguy HQ, the mutant sewers, the gigantic apartment building with only 3 apartments in it, and cramped night club are all within about 30 feet of eachother and contained by canyon-like walls. Also it's designed on a series of 90 degree angles because the devs somehow managed to take a good piece of tech (the Unreal 2 engine) and make it into what has to be the worst game engine of all time. The whole game is a claustrophobic's nightmare.

The weapons were made of 5-10 polygons and a poorly rendered glow effect and used a nebulous ammo bar with no numbers. None of these weapons need reloaded and about 3 were useful. Grenades bounce like whiffleballs and melee weapons are largely useless until you get JC's Dragon Tooth sword that he left as a doorstop in his fortress of solitude.

Enemies turned into wonderful pieces of modern art after being killed from behind because they got snagged on the environment while impotently running in circles yelling a list of 5-6 canned phrases. You could pick the bodies up and throw them into piles of boxes to watch them get turned into a pretzel and then watch the game crash to desktop after the poorest use of the Havok physics engine EVER can't figure out what to do so it makes the boxes and the bodies rotate at 50000 miles per hours and blast off in every direction at infinite speed, possibly traveling through time into your other saves.

You blunder forward basically crawling through vents or storming the front while killing everything and picking up all shinies, and when the chapter is over you get the option to pick from the useless AI plot device pilot or the hotshot dick-in-a-tophat, which is basically picking from two different landing points and extraction points: Awful or Terrible.

Did I mention that the game sucks? Because it does.

I don't think I got more than 2 hours into DX2. And I loved the everloving hell out of the original.

I actually still have the discs. I keep thinking I destroyed them out of rage, but I never quite had the heart to toss away money on purpose like that.

Deus Ex 2 was a crappy game. I got it bundled with one of my graphic cards and still couldn't manage to finish it despite it being free. Now that I read the plot, I know I missed nothing.

I liked how every time I zoned the entire game would minimize to my windows desktop, change resolution, then maximize again and change the resolution back.  That's the kind of jarring switching back to reality I need when I'm trying to immerse myself in a shitty sci-fi plotline.

Yes. Eidos is apparently floundering around looking for any half-way decent IP to make something into. Invisible War was Capital Shit. Shity shit shit shit, especially when compared to the original. Eidos just wants to fuck this corpse until it's good and proper dead.

Maybe they should, you know, sort of pretend the events in DX2 never happened...

New DX3 intro movie leaked on youtube. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvinAPPfyAQ)

I just wanted to take this chance to say that the round house kick in Track and Field 2 was fucking broken. Jumping Round House killed face.  :ye_gods:

Without clicking I'm going to guess this is a Rickroll.

It is no longer six months ago. You can click.

Hm, maybe they did learn something from DX2. I like the emphasis on characterisation.

I sooo don't believe you.    :uhrr:

Meh, your loss.

thats the problem with multiple end-game sequels lots of gamers would segregate themselves into 'I love ending A, why the hell the other one gets picked?' They need to establish a canon and stick with it while retaining the choices.

My guess is that somebody thought it would be hard to have all three endings and have the player specify which through beginning game dialogue.

Should that be the case, I blame them for lack of trying.

u mean something like KOTOR2:
'Yeah Revan won man, he totally like...turned to Light side Dude.'
'No, he fucked the galaxy. And he is a woman, not a man; wtf you smokin, Atton?'
'I don't really give a shit, gimme the canon and let's get some exp!'

Exactly.  It's not hard, it just takes a little planning and variable parts of the game.

Rickrolling is so six months ago, as mentioned.

Let's all get in the christmas spirit! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Pb5hauj-U-A)

I agree rickrolling is part of the dim past, along with the release of Warhawk and Bioshock, however I have found that DX3 is really, really going to have an ending song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh2TrTtl4-w), since Portal stuck its head into the gaming industry's bedroom door and yelled "WAKE UP FUCKERS!"

In fact, there was a point where they were going for a more, uh, stylized look (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vvkssNx5oc) and in this original version they put lyrics up on the screen.  Unfortunately they decided to go with something more mainstream.

There is a planned Maple Story crossover (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouJBxlTEWmg), so yay!

Yeg... wow. Just... wow. I had heard the song (OC remix? I don't remember) but that just brings it to life. Maybe it should be the new gamer-related rickroll.

I've been using the Sims one for quite a while, I just don't do that to too many people.

I spent the rest of the day humming the song. :ye_gods:

Personally, this is my favorite gamer-like rickroll (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzZowKL4i4s).  (Please disregard the pedophilic undertones.)

What?  Did you not click on my links?  I didn't smile even once watching that crappy Bioshock one.  I found a better one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5AH7W0usNE) in about three seconds.

Tifa and Daredevil. Crossovers that should happen but never will.

snuh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ5YkC0jv0w)

Deus Ex 2 is hugely improved by the fan-made mods out there for it.  After getting the shitty HUD out of your way and replacing the muddy Xbox textures with better high-res stuff, the game stops making your eyes bleed and can safely be enjoyed.

The trick is, you have to enjoy it as a generic future FPS-RPG and not as having any relationship with Deus Ex.  If you can't get over the game's name, you'll just be bitter about it forever.

The same could be said about the original Star Wars Galaxies.

That's why, if you're stuck making a licensed game, you either follow the formula of that license or find yourself up the creek and in the middle of a pedobear cthulu three-way.

:hello_thar: :ye_gods:  :cthulu:

I've never looked at any of the mods for it having never had any interest in going back to play it.  The graphics didn't particularly bother me anyway.  However, unless they fundamentally changed the gameplay then it will still be a generic future FPS (and I hesitate to say RPG) that's mediocre at best.  It wasn't the fact that it changed a lot of what was good about DX but the fact that the balance was all wrong and the game play mechanics were, well, crap.  It just bored me as a game even without the relationship to DX.  The fact that it was a sequel just added to the disappointment.

I figure I can save some hassle and play Psi-Ops.  That game was fun.  Also it had amazing framerate on the Xbox.

All this talk of Deus Ex got me reminiscing. 

Last time I was in Hong Kong, I made sure I went sightseeing:

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2013/2078069978_e3d55b485b_o.jpg)
Tonnochy Road

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2251/2089465661_9896173449_o.jpg)
Wan Chai Market

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2111/2090252470_9671a73242_o.jpg)
Wan Chai Temple

Versalife doesn't exist but somewhere I have pictures of the Manulife building. 

ARISE!

Trailer from March (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXVNi1yQT7Y)

This thread was kind of fun to reread. I won't make any comment on the game until I see more than generic teasers.

I read an article about it and they said there is going to be health regen out of combat, that kind of made me lost some interest right there.

Typical consolitis. I can understand why something like that is needed in a console game where you have limited control and options, but a realistic, complex game like Deus Ex would be ruined by modern fps elements like Regeneration. It would be nice if they'd at least play the damn game before bastardizing it.

  :why_so_serious:

Why? It's not like the Deus Ex experience was in any way dependent on the way you regen health.  Easy enough to justify it by saying that the health regen biomod is part of you from the start or some nonsense. 

Deus Ex is about setting, story, and choice (both in story and how you address the challenges you face). There's a lot of mechanics they can fudge with before they start making something that's "not Deus Ex".

Exactly, I tried to play a game one where my goal was only to knock people unconscious, hack everything, and essentially try to stealth my way through almost every mission. Very rarely do you get rewarded for that behavior the way you were in Deux Ex. It was one of many viable strategies, just as easy as being a total sniper, or a demolition freak.

Its just a mechanic that I by and large don't like in shooters, and lets be realistic, Deus Ex is far more shooter and far less RPG these days.  Now, I don't know enough about 3 to say for sure, health regen to me sounds like "We expect you to be doing lots of fire fights and want to make sure you are at full hp for each one" and that doesn't really sound like Deus Ex to me.  Maybe you won't have to play that way, maybe I'll be wrong, and its really just a tiny piece of information, but hopefully its not indicative of more overall simplification/consolification.

Did everyone catch the metaphor? It was subtle, so you may have missed it.  :oh_i_see:

Yeah. Lets hope that the trailer isn't indicative of the quality of the writing.

ELF NEEDS FOOD BADLY

Maybe you can find a health kit mod. Someone should make a posted of all the health kits and potions that have ever appeared in video games.

I've been replaying DE1 and it's been fun focusing on not killing anyone (at least for the first part before the conspiracy erupts) and stealthing.

The problem with the regen health thing isn't specifically that you'll be regenning health but that it seems indicative of gameplay that features lots of not very spaced out firefights. I'm expecting an FPS that occasionally lets you sneak past a particularly large guard bot or hack turrets to take out a room so you only have to clear the other 5. It's not that single mechanic that bothers me it's that that mechanic tends to be used in games that play quite differently from how Deus Ex should.

But hey, at least your dude will have built-in retractable sunglasses, so he can look badass while spitting one-liners.

If you want a shitton of fights the design would require large amounts of returned health, fast.

Isn't this pretty much one of the very few IP's out there where health regen makes sense anyhow?

Regening health in a WW2 shooter never added up to me, but I accept it. Same goes for any modern run and gun action.
Here you have all shorts of nanobots and biomeds running through you anyhow that can easily explain it.

The video trailer looks good. Tis pretty and shinny. I like shinny things.
At this point I'm kind of looking at that trailer like I do the MW5 trailer that is floating around.
I'm not buying that this game will actually physically happen till I see game footage.

The regen of health in single player FPS titles is a vast improvement over the old 'hunt for health packs' or 'quick save every time you get past a bit with decent health'.

I thought the original handled it pretty well with a few different ways of recovering health. Medkits could be stored up and used to treat individual injured areas (with only head and torso being necessary to survive, you could be crippled but last quite a while with the max no. of medkits), food and drink restored a little, the regen implant could heal you up but at the cost of energy and you need that augmentation and finally most levels had a medbot somewhere about. Honestly I preferred it because it throws some resource management into the mix beyond just ammo and it encourages stealthy gameplay. In straight up FPSes hunting for health packs is an annoyance because all you're generally going to be doing is gunning down enemies. Deus Ex 1 was awesome because you could do that or you could sneak past them or you could find some way to bypass them completely and you got rewarded for all those methods. The fact that they think you're going to need regenerating health suggests that they're not expecting pure stealth style gameplay.

Of course that's reading a lot into a single mechanic, maybe I'm hugely misjudging the team behind this.

Arguably, it could be seen as giving you a choice in how you play.  In DX1, going in guns blazing was very hard compared to stealth, as I recall, because you spent more ammo, took more damage, but got roughly the same rewards as someone going the stealthy route.  Plus, there's nothing saying that regenerating health couldn't be balanced with stealth in mind, that your stealth specced character would get shredded in a stand up fight without the combat mods, even if he had full health.  You just wouldn't spend the entire mission limping along at 2 mph because some jackass got a lucky shot in the beginning of the mission and took off your kneecap.

The thing about regenerating health is that it gives a relatively stable difficulty level.  The devs know roughly how much they can throw at a character and expect him to live.  In DX, there were a lot of fights which were super easy if you had a heap of medkits and batteries, and nearly impossibly difficult if you didn't.  So you end up with BFG syndrome, where your character is toting around massive stockpiles of this incredibly powerful stuff but never uses it because you might need it EVEN MORE somewhere down the line.

Level 4 silenced sniper was pretty much Deus Ex 1 on easy. Going in with small arms was a lot harder, especially later in the game.

Deus Ex 2 wasn't Daiktana


That's the only good thing I can say about it. Hopefully #3 is as good as the first, but I doubt it.

I honestly have more reservation about the fact that the game will ever come into existence, more than I do about whether it will be good or not.
And seeing as Square Enix is publishing it, it actually happening is pretty much guaranteed to happen sans the entire development team being taken out by snipers.

Square developing and publishing this along with Eidos makes me excited and wary at the same time. It's a given the game will have a shiny polished feel to it. The RPG elements are going to be given ALOT of attention and you can expect some new little systems to it that should be interesting and somewhat innovative if not completely useless.

My worries is the game will extremely repetitive. After the first level you will find all 3 guns (then continue to find those 3 guns throughout the game with slightly differing stats and new paintjobs) Run into all but 1 or 2 of the enemy types you will encounter throughout the game. And despite being open ended and "sandbox" all the levels will still feel linear (with the extreme case being WaW type inviso walls blocking you from areas you should really be able to go)

Those are my fears, simply because that is the feeling I get out of Square when they release PC titles. High polish, but somehow missing the mark on gameplay.
Eidos could almost be blamed for the same... only they seem to deliver far poorer quality titles on average compared to Square.
Arkham Asylum was published by them, but developed by their pet company Rocksteady. The last game that I recall Eidos actually developing themselves was Battlestations: The Pacific. Anyone recall that little gem? The third person flying sim with somewhat clunky control and quicktime bombing runs? It was super pretty tho. Just ass to actually play.

Square Enix develop games with lots of options and lots of thought in their level design, right?  :oh_i_see:

Some lines from the latest PC Gamer -

Earlier this year, lead game designer Jean-Francois Dugas told PC Gamer, "We want to remove the RPG aspect of the fighting and make it more straightforward, like you see in games such as Rainbow Six."

It's also discouraging that none of the 130-plus artists, programmers, designers or writers working at Eidos Montreal were on the original Deus Ex team.

 :|

Read: "We want to make a game that will be more than a cult classic on the PC and will sell a lot of copies."  Sad, but oh well.

Sigh. Guess that's probably one game to ignore then.

Welp, there goes any delusion at all anyone might have been holding onto that this might end up being a spiritual successor to the last games.

Game might still end being good and fun. Maybe. I dunno. But sounds like "just another FPS" to me. Pass, thanks.

Eh, it might be a fun tactical shooter type game if they're citing Rainbow Six (though just mentioning a game means nothing, I know). I had actually been expecting them copy ME2, though I guess a more tactical/stealthy version of that could be good fun. Just not sure why they're bothering with the Deus Ex IP since I will bet cash monies it has nothing to do with the original game story or characterwise.

Meh, never mind.

All that could mean is that they want to remove skill levels determining the size of your hit box in regards to accuracy.   Pretty much like what Bioware did with ME2.  Introducing more skill and less "you picked the right weapon category and leveled it up sufficiently".  Either this means character refinement will be less interesting or it will focus more on the nano-abilities of  <insert hero name here>.

I won't despair until I see a Gameplay video with a series of linear corridors peppered with chest-high crates/walls/sofas.  I know the pedigree and snippets of text aren't exactly pointing to a game that does the first game justice (saying series here would be a bit of a joke), but I think we might be jumping to conclusions.

Oh hey, would you look at that.

It could mean that, yes. I'm going to go with my bitter gaming vet and be sceptical as fuck until I see an actual game.

They already did that with DX2, remember?  People bitched about it.  The only way I can see it being less RPG than that is to take out the inventory completely, like Bioshock.  If they manage that level of competence, it could still be a decent game, but it still won't be Deus Ex.

I don't see the point of saying something like "we're trying to make our game more generic" at a press conference.  People who liked the original are going to rage that you don't get it, people who would like the more arcade-y game aren't even going to notice it among the heap of similar looking also-rans.  If you must design a generic as hell shooter, fine, but don't SAY you're developing a generic as hell shooter, point out all the novel things you're doing.  You can get away with a lot of changes in a game if it's good, but we have no way of knowing that until it actually comes out, and until then it comes off sounding like another quick, cash grab franchise killer.

I think it's pretty cool how one designer can use 23 words to encapsulate both of the two most depressing examples of consoletardation in the last decade.

I'm pretty sure he must have meant this sentence ironically.

My memory of DX is that it didn't have hitboxes, but that your accuracy was shown in how steady your crosshairs were when aiming.

DX2 then took out locational damage.

I don't have an issue with DX3 having less inventory management, but if the transition is to 'linear FPS shooter with occasional branching paths where you can 'stealth' instead of shoot' I'll have to put myself into the "THAT'S NOT DEUS EX!" camp.

Imo, what made Deus Ex awesome was level design and story flexibility. You could have almost everything good about Deus Ex in a game without inventory management or even character development.

Deus Ex is not it's shitty 1990s health pack resource system.

If the castration of Rainbow 6 is their model then the project is anyway doomed. But not because of health regeneration.

So, they are basically not making Deus Ex. Good to know.

I'm somewhat surprised that more shooters haven't mimicked Halo's shield + health bar system.  Or having grenades be completely separate from normal weapons.  Or the two weapons limit.  The combination is well suited for fast paced, relatively forgiving and easy to learn shooters.

Then again, apparently Bungie doesn't even realize what made Halo good.  Either that, or they couldn't resist fucking with it anyways.

Halo's health system was fine, Halo 2's health system was better. 'Find the health pack' is not a fun mini-game in a single player FPS.

I don't mind if DX3 has health regen if it offers the same level of options as DX. I'm pretty sure it won't while driving the conspiracy cyberpunk storyline to an ultimately dull conclusion.

I don't know, i seem to recall reading something a long time ago about the i.d. design philosophy when it came to Doom(and 2) which put a great deal of emphasis on challenging the player through well-paced encounters in tandem with ammo and healthpack management. In that, one would ofter have to leave key packs of resources behind in order to backtrack to them later, after difficult encounters.

Sort-of like one never has enough bullets in Resident Evil.

AFAIK they hid the health value in 2, they didn't remove it.  I don't know exactly what it does, because it's invisible, but it might regenerate too.  This actually didn't piss me off too much, I usually avoided dipping into my health in the first place and so could ignore the mechanic without really changing my play style.  What really annoyed me was the additional button for equipment in 3, because most of it was either shit or a grenade by another name.

Long term resource management in shooters can fuck off and die.  The neckbeardy concept the developer claims to espouse when he hands me a rocket launcher and flak cannon in a level filled with nothing but automag ammo should be printed out in complete form with appropriate references, double spaced, and rammed up the motherfuckers ass for hating fun.

Just loaded up DX to check, it's a shrinking hit box that gets smaller as you zoom in on your target.

I actually just started playing DX this weekend for the first time.  It also affects the bobble of the crosshairs when zoomed in with a scope.  So a bit from columns A and B.

Long term resource management without feedback on how you are doing or advance notice of what you will need along the way is daft - especially with only one resource that you really can't play on without (like health) or which is just lots of fun (like super weapons). And it leads directly to not playing the game using the fun toys or in a fun way because you're afraid of the Even Bigger Giant Robot Crab (tm), or worse, running out of resources when you do reach the Actual Giant Robot Crab (tm) and finding that all your saves are useless because you have to start from three hours back and play in ammo-austerity mode to prepare.

Having a short term section of 'omg no bullets' is fine, because you tell the player what is going on and get him to play appropriately.

Having rare limited resource super-weapons is fine, because you loudly signpost the player BETTER SAVE THIS FOR THE GIANT ROBOT CRAB BRO. And you hand it out near the goddamn crab.

Using the mechanic just to vary what gun you use in a typical FPS is no problem because you never actually run out of bullets, you just get rewarded a bit for using the right gun at the right time. Though in Deus Ex even that was a largely worthless idea, because the designer is trying to encourage you to pick 1 or 2 playstyles and weapons, and design your character around it. All it really did was force you to check if anyone had hidden tranquilizer darts in the women's toilets on every other floor. I never really felt this provides an immersive rpg experience - despite having watched 'From Russia with Love' several times, I keep missing the scene where James Bond checks behind the U-bend for a box of two dozen shotgun cartridges and a rocket propelled grenade. I also have my doubts about whether it will be considered acceptable behaviour for elite secret agents of the future to steal a substantial portion of their equipment from their colleagues, their relatives, and the proprietors of any and all drugstores that they may be passing through.



1990s style health packs just aren't much fun.



Even Resident Evil doesn't go too crazy, it hands the bullets out a few at a time but very regularly and is designed on the basis that you are not expected to build up stocks. Turns long term management into shorter term management, you never find yourself worrying about whether ammo stocks are not building up quickly enough to deal with the EBGRC in three level's time.

Sounds like my gripe with ME2.  I'm an elite special agent whose quartermaster is too stingy to let me bring more than a dozen bullets to take down an entire military base.

That always makes me laugh. "We need YOU to save the world and all of humanity! Here's a pistol and two ammo clips. No, you can't have a better weapon. You want a flak jacket? Fuck off."

How will young boys learn to become internet tough guys?

Actually, that was one part of Deus Ex that made me giggle, when the quartermaster basically told me to go fuck myself and not give me any ammo because I was a bit too homicidal.

So, the E3 trailer is out, the full CG cutscene thingy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJxQjWytIcU

Tells us absolutely nothing, but it's pretty!

Deus Ex is still my favourite videogame of the last 10 years, so better if I wait this with ZERO expectations   :ye_gods:

In-game screenshots:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=397260

brown

LOL, I forgot moments like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxVPPy5w9NA

Yeah, I hate when games go for a subtle palette. Here's my vision for Deus Ex 3:

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2304/2293665740_74270be722.jpg)

Needs more pretty pink ponies.

After looking at those screenshots, I can say that there is entirely too much brown.  While I can go along with "brown" being the default for outdoor environments, for an authentic apocalyptic look, I'm sort of baffled why the indoor shots also default to drab brown.

I dunno, it could be worse. Looks like Bladerunner a bit. I can live with that.

At least it isn't:

http://theabyssgazes.blogspot.com/2010/03/teal-and-orange-hollywood-please-stop.html

Seriously. That guy needs to take a break from life.

Yeah, I'll give you that one.

Anyone else thinking GITS?

Also, 2027? I know this is probably to keep in line with the other games but if we literally had all that technology THIS SECOND, we could not build a world that looks like that in 17 years. I just can't suspend my disbelief that much. When I play this game, im just gonna have to keep ignoring the date.

All the visuals I've seen for the game look pretty damn intriguing.  The possibility that it will be "just another fucking shooter" is what makes me entirely uninterested until I hear otherwise.

Ghost in the Shell has colour. As in, blues, and greens, and yellows, and, and, little girls and puppies, and things. This game looks to have been filtered through sphincter-vision.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ9T27Q0cEw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ9T27Q0cEw)

New movie.  With that many cinematic, you can kiss goodbye to a story with multiple path.

http://www.squidoo.com/crazy-dubai-growth

I'll keep it short.  You are wrong.  Feel free to google up better videos, time lapses or aerial shots if you don't believe me.


I will play anything attempting this setting, the better the game the happier I will be but honestly the most boring on rails fps in a cyberpunk world is 1,000 times more interesting to me than say, Demon Souls.  Does that make me a bad gamer who hates art or somesuch shit?  I bet it does.  But before everyone starts freaking out about a game that we still know fuckall about lets take a lesson from the teal and orange guy and go outside and enjoy the sunshine or something.

Not to derail too much, but I have to second this. Here in the US we're used to lethargic growth. I've seen a city like Barcelona transform huge sections from derelict harbor areas into booming yuppy neighborhoods with sky rises and modern shopping centers in a matter of a few years.

I'm not sure why we're slow here in the US but I suspect its in large part because we have a 'fairer' system where every piddling city councilman has a vote that can be influenced by commercial interests that cock-block urban development for decades and decades.

The one thing I thought was hilarious was the jet-fueled Osprey. That thing is an albatross around the military's neck now and lo and behold, its still there, in the future!

This game takes place in Detroit, not Dubai but even beyond that we're not talking about building with established technology, we're talking about an entire infrastructure revolving around new tech. You don't just build flying cars, you have to build the factories that make the parts for those cars, you have to then build the car factories themselves. You then need to completely revamp the way our cities are built and our airways are used.  Not to mention getting people to accept said flying cars.  Building shit, is not slow but getting to that point is in fact very much so.

Really tho, isn't that just nit picking? Game could state it takes play in 2007 and I'd be pretty much whatever about it. Fine. Alternate time line.

Looks a bit TOO much like Bladerunner to me, even down to the light streaming through the windows and the shape of the windows themselves. The cinematic trailer they released recently made me want to watch a movie, not play the game. The original Deus Ex had more of a silvery/blue/gray color palette that works a lot better than the drab shit brown orange cast everything has in the new trailer.

Real is brown, y0.

This has been the case for every game that is heavy on story recently in my opinion.  Most of the time I end up just wanting to plow through the game to find out what happens, rather than actually play.  Now I just play everything on easiest difficultly and face roll the single player for story, and then hit the multiplayer, which is the reason I bought the game in the first place.  And if something just has a story centric single player campaignand no multiplayer or crappy multiplayer, I'm very unlikely to even consider buying it until it goes on some ridiculous steam sale.

It's "Slow" here in the US because we already developed.  We went through our massive boom/build stages that completely transformed the landscape everywhere in the first half of the century, and then in some specific economically successful cities in the second half.  The places you see this sort of development happening in are in places that were undeveloped until more recently.

Also, why do you think the Osprey is so bad?  It was a giant boondogle because of how long it took to develop safely, but since it finally went through, I hear its had a very good service record, and is quite useful.  Am I wrong on that?

And yes, this whole style looks very very GITS.  Specifically, GITS: Innocence:
http://www.dreamworks.com/trailers/gits2/gits2_trlr2_qt_480.mov

I think he was saying that as in "This trailer made me want to watch Blade Runner, not play this new Deus Ex game"

Yes.

Yes.

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs540.snc3/30588_391152037207_673642207_3911973_2109442_n.jpg)


...Damn it.

motherffffffuuuuuu

I hate you.

Hah, I already had it installed.   :awesome_for_real:

Err, no.  That article is listing all the past problems it had (true) and is worried about the then upcoming first combat deployment to Iraq in 2007.  Time hasn't been kind to that article, since as I mentioned, the Osprey has had a very good performance rate in Iraq and Afghanistan.  It's been flown directly into combat situations in both places, through sand storms/dusty conditions, and pretty much all the situations the article doomcasts it entering.  In all that, they've only lost one Osprey, and that was when one was flying to low in a sand storm and the pilot flew into the side of a hill he didn't see.  Again, I haven't seen or heard anything about the current combat deployments to put it in a negative light, which is what I was asking about (but hey, I could be missing something). 

We all know the whole process of its creation was a giant clusterfuck, but so far, it actually seems to be working out well.

Deus Ex and System Shock 2 are the crown jewels of FPS-RPGs in my book.  Fun gameplay, lots of exploration, good stories, great characters.  Deus Ex 2 and Bioshock both missed the marks at keeping up with their parents, but Bioshock was still excellent and Deus Ex 2 was pretty good once you applied the patches to clean up the user interface and fix up the low-res textures.  Deus Ex 3... I'm feeling really iffy about the scenario that I'm seeing in the trailers, both the setting and the story.  But I'm willing to plunk down the money to try it out as long as it keeps a few key traits:

1. Fairly non-linear levels that allow lots of roaming and hidden stuff-finding.
2. Lots of different solutions to overcome a given obstacle.
3. The ability to be awesome/a huge douche in game decisions that actually impact the story.

I can live without health packs and skill levels, as long as those three things are maintained.

It's been working out well because for it to fail one would actually have to be put in a position where it's actively being shot at.  Or tested properly.


"Sorry sir, we can't test those maneuvers, the rotors might explode."

V22 and crowds. Not a good match (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI9gWlM0QY8)  :awesome_for_real:

CNN report on the incident (http://cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2010/05/31/natpkg.marine.mishap.cnn). People injured, etc

It's been used all over Afghanistan in hostile conditions, and has taken direct part in a major offensive operation dropping thousands of Marines into Taliban territory.  They've been using it to transports troops/supplies in and out of remote area's.  I'll be amazed if it hasn't been shot at constantly like every other aircraft doing these missions in Afghanistan.  You literally can't put it into a harsher combat testing environment than making it operate in Afghanistan.

We'll see how the picture looks a few years down the road, and it might not be so rosy.  But again, so far, it seems to be performing fine.  Biggest complaints I've seen is that it's high maintenance. 

There are 12 of them in Afghanistan, they've been there for half a year.

Hmm, fair enough.  I misread somewhere and thought they had been deployed to Afghanistan in 2008 instead of 2009, so my bad there.  Though you did do some selective quoting, as the general you quoted saying it flew lots of VIP's immediately went on to say because of that he pushed it into doing dirty work (and an article linked from that one says it was sent on combat recon missions in Iraq).

So time will tell I guess.  But again, as I said in the original comment that spawned this horrible derail, in its 3 years of desert operational history (and half year in "real" combat zone deployment) it hasn't suffered any of the technical glitches or problems foretold.  But I guess we'll have to see how it does in Afghanistan after another year or two, since your right, it hasn't been there very long.

There's nothing particularly wrong with the way it works.  The problem is that if seriously damaged below 1600 ft. everyone inside it is fucked.

Wow is this related to deus ex. :awesome_for_real:

Ok, I think we got it out of our systems.   :awesome_for_real:

I reinstalled Deus Ex (Steam GOTY edition).  The colors seem really wonky and off.  Anybody else having this problem (I'm using Windows 7 with a year old ATI card)?

Looks like normal Deus Ex on mine.  But I'm still on XP.  :awesome_for_real:

I installed it on Steam and it worked just fine for me. Running Win7 64 with an ATI 5870.

Your problem is that the colours in Deus Ex are wonky and off as designed. Partly because, 10 years old, partly because of beret pretensions by the designer.

Personally I thought it looked like shit 10 years ago - but you ignore it after a while. And at least it isn't brown.

Ah, your probably right.  The colors in the opening dialog sequence looked fine, it was only when I was in the low light Statue of Liberty area's that it looked off.  Guess they just didn't handle the black coloring well.

Though personally I thought it looked amazing 10 years ago.  :P

Different monitor?

The average TN LCD doesn't handle things skewed to the black colour range well.

Eurogamer dropped three articles about this today.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/deus-ex-human-revolution-preview
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/deus-ex-fan-service-article
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/eidos-montreals-jean-francois-dugas-interview

Oh fuck, it's a prequel.

Wow they are taking the shitty design decisions and just cranking them up to 11 aren't they?

Well, a sequel does have to top its antecedent, right? If the second is shitty, how much shittier can we make it?

Infinity.  :awesome_for_real:

I don't know, I'm pretty enthused about this.  By all the interviews, they seem to at least understand why the first game was good, and want to bring that back in an updated form.  I'm actually happy its a prequel since 1.)  The sequel sucked and they can ignore all the fucking stupid shit it did 2.)  They don't have to try to decide what the user picked at the end of either game (something DE2 really failed at) and go their own way.

I just started playing through the first game again (because of this thread.  That picture somebody posted earlier is oh so right...).  One of the things I had forgotten about is how there were people who were basically cyborgs with artificial limbs, then J.C. Denton comes along with augmentation technology with makes them obsolete, and this causes friction between the two.  We are playing as one of the cyborgs who existed in the years before the tech for J.C. came about, so there is plenty of precedent already laid down from the first game.  The graphics look amazing as well.

What exactly is it you guys don't like about what you've seen of this game so far (serious question)?

Personally I'm somewhat positive to this game, however I've been burned so many times the past few years with shoddy gameplay, sucky story, consoleitis out the wazoo and drm that likes to fuck you in the ass, that I'm not going to be enthusiastic about this game until it does release and we know more about how it'll play, and what the limitations for us actually playing the game will be. It sucks that I feel it has to be this way, but there you go.

I think you were misinformed. If they are completely removing all RPG aspects from the game, they missed the boat on what made Deus Ex good.

And that one sentence you posted goes against everything I've read in the currently released articles posted above.  They still have experience points, though they've melded skills in with augmentation, so everything is based around augmentation (which does make sense and seems like it could work well).  They removed the horrible accuracy if you don't have the skill for the gun, which sucks, but they are basically doing the inverse of the way it was before.  You start out with everything at decent accuracy, then you upgrade things further as you go to extreme awesomeness.

There seems to still be plenty of RPG aspects to this game from everything mentioned in those articles.  Further more, they say they are concentrating on the primary thing that made Deus Ex awesome (which wasn't the RPG aspects), which is designing the levels so they're are many many different ways to go through each level depending on the players build and whims.  That's what I'm most interested in, and it's the failure to keep that sort of game play which caused most people to hate Deus Ex 2.

I agree that the different gameplay was what made it the best, but it was the ability to tweak your character to that type of gameplay that took it over the top. We'll see, but I'm not optimistic about anything getting compared to Rainbow Six, even offhand.

Hey, Rainbow Six was awesome!

But yeah, fair enough.  If I'm reading it right, however, I think when he made that comment he was only referring to speeding up the actual combat a bit.  So now instead of "I don't have skill for a pistol, I can't hit somebody standing 10 feet in front of me" you can use weapons accurately from the get go.  Everything else is still moddable though, so you should still have all the customization options.  If you want to take a hacker route, bump up your hacking augs.  Want to be a ninja?  Bump up your melee weapon and jumping augs.  Want to be a killing machine?  Bump up your heavy weapons and armor augs.  Etc.

Of course, they could easily fuck it all up, so I shouldn't get my hopes up, but they are least saying the things I want to hear in those interviews.

Removing the weapons training would be step in the right direction IMO. I've had it with Pseudo RP-FPS forcing me into a role of a super-armed agent with the dexterity of a 70 year old man when wielding even a pistol.

Seriously, cone of fire when you are standing still or even worse crouching/prone is a tired as fuck stupid mechanic.  If you make the combat fluid and well paced I'll miss some shots on my own without your help devs, thanks.  I will settle for recoil effects but it feels like every game is making it harder to hit what you point at these days.

I never played the first one, and have a moderate track record of liking ancient games far past their decades.

Should I play the first Deus Ex regardless?

it's hard to enjoy compared with what you play nowadays. Modern RPG shooters like Fallout 3, Bioshock & Mass Effect is less obvious when dealing with accuracy. I meant accuracy as in, waiting for the goddamn reticule to center. It took my guy 3 full seconds to centre a pistol sight crouched in the darkness when I upgraded him to 2nd training level. But the stealth elements are there, and it is entirely possible for you to not kill 90% of the enemies of your encounter to succeed, although my patience isn't that much, the game world does acknowledge how violent / stealthy you are when completing missions.

It's hard to recommend, but if you are interested, go ahead.

Not yes, but FUCK YES.

Alrighty then.

Something else I read in one of those interviews:
Somebody needs to garrote this one man with a piano wire.  I love that fucking song.  I'd love to hear an updated version of it.

New batch of screenshots, I think:

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/55680/New-Deus-Ex-Human-Revolution-Screenshots-Released



Please don't suck  :ye_gods: :ye_gods: :heartbreak: :heartbreak: :heartbreak:

They have a full year to fuck up this game if they so desire, according to that link.

MS will make them color code those buttons. You release on consoles, you target the mentality of people who dropped out of school in 8th grade. LCD ftw.

Figured this is a good place to put it: both Deus Ex titles for $5 on Steam (http://store.steampowered.com/sub/296/).

 :heart:

having never played either, is it worth it?

Uhh. Yes.  Deus Ex is worth far more than $2.50 even with its outdated shooter mechanics.

As someone who's been playing it for the first time the last few weeks, ditto what Rasix said.

Link says $20

I think it was a 24hour deal. 

Deus Ex on it's own only costs $10 without the deal. As -$5 is fair price for Deus Ex 2, this is as good as the special offer.

It plays surprisingly well on a new PC, it feels a lot less dated than I was expecting. I'm enjoying replaying this more than playing through ME for the first time.

I greatly prefer it that way. I'm so sick of this illuminati conspiracy theory bullshit; I'll take Ghost in the Shell over that crap any time.

Woah, double necroposting.  Resurrecting a dead post containing a dead poster.  :awesome_for_real:

Well, not really.  K9 posted today before him, and the thread has gotten posts in it the day before, so I wouldn't call it dead.

However, quoting geldonyetich and responding.   :ye_gods:

It just bugged me okay.

He has that effect on people, even from beyond the (proverbial) grave.

Necroquoting*

Don't you usually stick to arguing with geldon on Lum's blog?

I wouldn't blame him for fleeing from such an existence into the dystopian future of Deus Ex.

But when he argues here, geldon can't post back!

Well If Deus Ex 3 is a prequel we all know what happens then. The protagonist of 3 dies, there you go.

I'm so glad

Well, it take place over 20 years before the first one.  That's a lot of lead time for him to just disappear from society, be it through retirement or hiding from the newly formed Majestic 12 or some such.

I've been trying to think of a prequel that didn't suck, given that Deus Ex 3 is a prequel. Anyone able to come up with a game / film / book prequel that didn't demean the original work?

I thought Metal Gear Solid 3 was pretty good.  The fact that it was set in the past rather than in the future made it a fresh take on the whole series, I thought, and the character development for Snake in the game was a lot better than what he got in the original Metal Gear.  Ocelot and other characters were pretty well done, too.

Making DX3 a prequel seems stupid to me, though.  It's going from being set in the future to being set less far in the future.  You're going to do a bunch of shit that doesn't matter because JC reformats the Earth at the end of DX anyway.  You're going to meet a bunch of characters from the original DX who you won't care about because almost everyone but the main villain is a throwaway nobody who's there only to obfuscate things for a level or two.  Maybe there will be a cameo by a ten year old Anna Navarre or something. Ugh.

Can you give some example of Prequels you felt did suck, or at least demeaned the original?  Game wise I can't think of any, and off hand I can only think of the Starwars prequels.
But if you set it after the first game, it would horribly demean the original precisely because JC Denton reformatted the earth (see the stupidity that was Deus Ex 2).  I like the fact its a prequel.  Does it matter if what your involved with is negated way in the future?  They can tell a great story in this universe that doesn't have to be mega epic world changing event.  Could just be a good espionage/corporate warfare story, and if well written, could still be amazing.  There is plenty of cool shit they can do, which lets us go back and revisit the same sort of game play we loved (assuming the did a good job of translating it and improving it).

In any event, that probably doesn't matter anyways.  I'm sure the end of the game will involve the formation of MJ12 from the wreckage of the Illuminati, which will give you a nice epic conspiracy story to play with, and your actions will matter because all the events from this game resulted in all the events in the first game coming about (including the creation of the Dentons).  Tada, your actions in the prequel have great meaning.

But Deus Ex is a game about conspiracy and secrecy.  I might be interested in a game about the founding of UNATCO, except I already know that it's a front for the bad guys.  I might be interested in a game about a young J. Manderley, except I already know that he's an asshole who's going to try to kill me in DX.  It might work in a more straightforward game, but the plot in DX was all about double crosses and secret alliances, and those kinds of stories tend not to work so well if you already know who the guys are all working for.

I suppose it's possible that they can do a good story, I just don't see what about DX would work as a prequel.  This isn't like Star Wars, where you can put some Jedi fighting some Stormtroopers in some new setting and it will still feel like Star Wars.  Deus Ex isn't really that iconic.  There's nothing in that trailer I can point at and say "THAT is from Deus Ex" rather than any other generic cyberpunk game.  The few characters which could be used in a prequel aren't really that interesting, the setting is generic, nothing about the world says to me "this is so interesting we need to devote a game to describing it".  Making it a prequel just seems like a cop-out to avoid having to deal with the DX continuity, which begs the question "if you don't like the setting and are changing the gameplay, then why are you working with the DX license to begin with?"

In movies, Batman Begins and Red Dragon both didn't suck. Also, if you count Casino Royale as the Bond Prequel, but it really just was the first novel that never got made into a movie, so I'm not sure it makes the grade.

As for games, not really unless you have a broad definition of prequel.

Red Dragon wasn't a prequel really, that book was actually written first.

Temple of Doom was a prequel and certainly had it's moments. The Scorpion King was fun and can be seen as a prequel of sorts to The Mummy.

KotOR.

See, I guess we just disagree here.  I liked the world of Deus Ex.  I think its an interesting cyber punk setting and I'd love to explore it more (but frankly its the gameplay I want most, which is another reason I'm happy they grabbed the franchise).  That's independent of any of the actual characters from Deus Ex 1, and I seriously hope they bring in as few of them as possible into this.

The story of how UNATCO and the world of DE1 came to be is interesting to me, and I'd love to see how that story played out.  Doesn't matter that I know UNATCO is a front for the bad guys, I don't know anything about all the crazy conspiracy shit that went down behind the scenes that lead to the world being the way it was in Deus Ex.  Seeing how that happened would be interesting.  There's plenty of room there for crazy conspiracies and backstabbing.  The interviews say the game will be all about conspiracy again.  Just because I know vaguely how the future will turn out doesn't take anything away from unravaling the story of how things came to be, because I don't know anything about that.

I knew all during Deus Ex 1 that I would defeat MJ12 and save the world like every other game, but it didn't ruin the experience for me though.   :-P

I never would have considered "Temple of Doom" to be a prequel, but technically it is. "KOTOR" as prequel is also interesting, which I guess fits for DX3 - same universe, different characters.

AFAIK, the term 'prequel' didn't exist until the new Star Wars films started development. I might be wrong, so please correct me if you know better.

My point was going to be that prequels suck by definition, but I'm glad that there are exceptions.

At first I thought this was going to suck very badly indeed, but now I am not so sure.

Prequel was used to promote The Godfather part 2, pretty sure it existed before that.

Googled it and prequel does appear to be first used in film terms for "Godfather, Part II". Also first appeared in print in 1958.

I was wrong.

Gameplay/Story Trailer:

http://kotaku.com/5612092/

Still not QUITE sure how I feel about it. I'm excited, but I think I may to seriously temper that excitement.

TRANSFORMERS! MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE!

Oh wait. Looks ok, though it's hard to tell if it's a first-person shooter or a 3rd person shooter with first person zoom capabilities.

Not too bad

Looks ok graphics-wise, but not sure if I saw him lock on to someone's head ala fallout. And how much of that fighting that we saw are we able to do, and how much is "cinematic"?

I'm cautiously optimistic.

Ok, I'm liking the sound of this here. (http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3180952)

Sounds good

Damnit. My optimism-o-meter is perking.

That write up got me hard.

Still cautious about this game, though that writeup certainly sounded more encouraging. But healing the scars of Deus Ex 2 will take some serious effort.

It's going to be interesting to see exactly how this pans out. I'm especially interested in how the complexity is in deus ex 3, previous trailers have hinted at this possibly being a return to form.

Everybody says that kind of tripe now. It's always bullshit.

I love that particular quote, though. Of course it's not consolized. But everything has converged. Tool talk.

After what Gearbox did to me I don't think I'll ever trust a dev again when they talk about shit like that.

Yeah, I'm going to wait a week or two before I see what everyone else is saying about the game before I give them my money, quite simply because I still don't trust them to not lie through their teeth when they say things like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xxggelRuM0

This was from a week ago, but I felt like rewatching it at 4:30am this morning. There is no way this game fails to disappoint me is there.

It's going to be a short game with very hemmed in areas like every other game that has attempted to be "open ended". We'll need a whole new console generation before anyone can properly meld a sandbox-ish world with the kind of tight level design/gameplay a more linear game has.

To be honest at this point I want developers to stop putting in huge vistas into games since I'm tired of realizing I'm being basically shoved into a closet in terms of actual playable area. Woo wee, lookit that gigantic future city! Too bad I'm stuck in a series of linear alleyways about 1/10th the size of an actual city block!

Also, on a related note: has anyone else ever noticed that in literally every non-sandbox video game ever made that streets and alleyways are way too narrow for even a smart car to go down or turn? What the hell is with that?

It looks like just another game that's trying to be a movie.

Unlike most I would watch this movie in a heartbeat. Fucking love me some cyberpunk.

I'd probably enjoy watching the movie more than I will playing the game.

And conversely indoor areas are always much too open.

Fresh, new Gameplay trailer, seriously kicking ass  :drill: :drill:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypBfZY8eQWo

Ridiculously good trailer...

Can't be more excited up...  :drill:

Please no stupid DRM. I would sperg the likes I haven't sperged before.

The graphics and artwork look good. Pity about the Mass Effect/Consoleitis of the GUI tho.

Awesome  :drill:

I hope the style seen in all the concept and promo art isn't just fluff the game doesn't even deliver or hand over way castrated.

http://kotaku.com/5707978/deus-exs-cyborg-future-is-oh-so-pretty/gallery/

Nice website

The new trailer, which essentially puts together most of the trailers we've seen before is fairly epic.

I didn't give much of a shit about this game before, due to my disdain for how they fucked the story in 2, but I'm intrigued now.

Pre-order bonuses: two weapons (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxUGuboyu-8)

Fuck pre-order bonuses in the nostril.

As for the last gameplay video, it looks somewhat promising, but it also looks very console-centric, which is making me highly sceptical.

Last trailer is fantastic (even tho it is just a collage, like Surlyboi already said). One thing it misses: original Deus Ex main theme :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc3Bzkgkbzg

I actually quite like the theme they're going with in that trailer, and if the rest of the music is of the same type then I won't be complaining about that, at least.

"Extreme Range Sniper Rifle".

And then the gameplay's range meter: 27 meters... 32 meters...

So extreme! :oh_i_see:

The regular sniper rifle is a knife with a scope...

Also the trailers for this look awesome but I just can't expect anything more than a shiny console FPS with a semi-retarded conspiracy storyline and maybe one neat gameplay gimmick. That's my best case scenario.

The idea of cheat modes for ordering a specific way or from a particular place just always the game feel incredibly cheap to me. I really don't get why this would make me more likely to buy something.


PS. Get off my lawn.

I hope the lower specs of your typical consoles today won't affect map size the way it did with DX:IW, thanks to the original Xbox.

The original Xbox could run Morrowind, Halo 1/2, and San Andreas.

I would say that none of those three four had similar environment density to DE:IW.

edit: whoops

Saying that IW is more detailed than Halo 2 is a bit of a stretch, maybe more detailed than Halo 2's large outdoor areas, but that's kind of the fucking point.  They're outdoor areas, you're shooting past them at mach 1 in a jeep doing corkscrews through the air while the guy on the minigun blasts the fuck out of everything.  You really don't fucking care about the artists statement implicit in the careful placement of decayed bricks, suggesting that at it's roots the strong foundations of humanity are weathered down by the corruption of modern society.  No, you don't care, because you're busy ramming a jeep up a Hunter's ass.

Also, add Half-Life 2 to the list.

This is singularly contingent on developer competency.

There are a great variety of console games that have large expansive areas, both exterior and interior.

So... you agree, I guess?

I was simply pointing out that DE:IW was trading wide open levels for the ability to have more bits of flare in their tiny annoying corridors, not saying that it was a superior game.

I'm still expecting relatively cramped level design from DE3, or at best smallish accessible areas with large background images a la Mass Effect 2.  Hopefully I'm wrong on that count.

And it's a conscientious decision made by Ion Storm to design this way, when TripleDES was blaming the hardware.

Delayed!!!

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/12/16/deus-ex-human-revolution-pushed-out-of-q1-2011/

Available in February on Steam, http://store.steampowered.com/app/39170/

Also those screenshots, my goodness.   In the Grim Darkness of the Near Future There is Only Brown. :ye_gods:  I'll check it out when it goes on sale.

First post: pushed out of Q1 2011

Second post: available February 2011

Wat?

Beats me, I just saw it on steam and figured I'd post it.

PC Gamer has a hands on (http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/02/03/deus-ex-human-revolution-preview-first-hands-on/)

The article is pretty glowing, but by the standards of modern gaming journalism that could mean anything. The article contains a bunch of spoliers I should warn.

Still, if the game is even vaguely close to what the author says, this could be promising.

In December Square delayed it until the next fiscal year.  Starting in April 1, 2011.

Atomic Gamer's Jeff Buckland scored an interview with the person we're going to burn alive blame if the game storyline sucks, Lead Writer and Narrative Designer Mary DeMarle.

It's actually a VERY good interview, IMO: we get quite an in-depth view of the main character, and also how him and the plot in general relates to JC Denton and the events that will take place 25 years later:

http://www.atomicgamer.com/articles/1204/1/deus-ex-human-revolution-interview

NOTE: it *might* be a little spoilerish, at least regarding what happens to Adam Jensen at the beginning of the game; otherwise, I don't feel anything in particular was revealed (and I haven't read the previews of the "hands-on")

Official Release Dates:

U.S. 23rd August 2011
Oceania 25th August 2011
UK/Europe 26th August 2011

http://twitter.com/eidosmontreal/status/45163524141498368#

 :heart:

"The 0451 is the code at the start of every Deus Ex game." confused me until I remembered there was a sequel. That was pretty deeply buried.

There was no sequel to Deus Ex. Everyone knows this. :awesome_for_real:

I thought the 0451 code was more of a System Shock (1 and 2) reference, myself..

I think the hands-on (which wasn't, it was an interview) for x-play was from a PS3. Get ready for the console interface and preferred control device being the controller.

The guy said 20-25 hours of gameplay.

20-25 hours is pretty good if it's true. That would be close to the original.

8 Minute gameplay trailer showcasing different approaches to a the same problem (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAYqjEhaiXE)

The vibe this is giving me is definitely good. I also really like the detail they have put into the environment.

Another example of aggressive, stealth or adaptive (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-FxYxPtMi4) approaches.

I'm still a bit dubious as to how intrusive the controls are going to be, but it is looking like it might be a good successor so far. Here's hoping.

Don't worry, tgr. It will have DRM for you.

Thanks for jinxing it. :heartbreak:

(http://forums.f13.net/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=5452;type=avatar)

Sarif Industries TV Spot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfPFM1_qPco)

"Augmented Reality" (that is, highlighting of objects in the world you can interact with) can now be turned off in the option menu, after a huge debate on the official forums and across various websites:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c31PhzVwnfc

...And yes, the producer sounds like Deus Ex's Gunther Hermann  :P

More gameplay options are always a good thing.

As you might know, a Preview Build leaked on the Net. Eidos actually gave permission to discuss it on their boards. It's about 3.95 gb.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/110548-Leaked-Deus-Ex-Preview-Build-Impresses-Fans

Build seems very stable to me; there are rough edges here and there, but no particular flaws. It's very promising from a gameplay and immersion point of view: it looks to me that the team tried to understand what made the first game so great, and put a great effort to re-create a similar atmosphere while updating it for a wider audience.  More detailed impressions later :)

I'm impressed how calm they seem to be about this; perhaps they genuinely do have a superior product.

Or possibly they understand that you cannot un-ring a bell.

Inviting comments on your own forum rather than shitting the bed seems more measured than how some other game studios have acted in the past over similar things.

I checked out some of the leaked stuff on youtube, it looks good.

Here's the topic where you can read (and talk) about the 'leak' on the official forum:

http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=117580&page=40

Previously, it was just a "off-topic" thread; I linked to page 40, but the discussion about the build started a few pages earlier, I think. Reception looks very positive.

By the way: the current build ran perfectly fine on my i7 920, 6 GB Ram, Nvidia 250, Windows 7 64-bit (currently, there is no anti-aliasing, just 'edge-smoothing'; also, you can only set shadows to 'off' or 'normal').

Ah, one last thing: it's not the entire game (well, I guess you already imagine that by looking at the size of the file :P). Just the first 6-8 hours, I think (well, not bad :P).

Sounds like they have cleverly 'released' a 'demo'.

Well it was meant to be a press-only demo of the game, it just got leaked out to the general public (from my understanding at least)

PC Gamer scores it 94 (the review itself won't be out until the next issue hits the stands on Wednesday). (http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/07/29/deus-ex-human-revolution-review-scores-94-and-an-editors-choice-award-in-pc-gamer)

There was a time when I took what PC Gamer wrote seriously.  The game might be great, but that score doesn't mean much.

Yeah, even though I desperately want this game to be good, I'm still going to wait for both the general reactions from actual gamers, and whether or not there's an online requirement.

It's sad that the more I want a game, the more skeptical I get.

OPM gave it an 8 and OXM gave it a 10.  I agree that overall these scores don't mean much, but at least it's not getting the 4's and 5's I feared it might.  Also apparently some sort of preview build leaked online containing a fairly good sized chunk of the game, but I haven't really had time to check the reactions (there was a thread over on gaf about it).

Was this posted yet?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcsd6mJ3R08

The 'leaked' demo shows this is going to be game of the year.

Can anyone PM me where to get this leaked demo?

Really?

Anyway, so far it's awesome. I'm having fun dragging bodies into vents.

Yeah, i was playing about five mins after posting that.  I actually completely forgot i put that there, feels kinda dumb now.

I must be getting bad at FPS games with age, because easy mode isn't that much easy mode in this game. How much of the main storyline does that beta represent of the full game?

It's all downhill from here, sonny!

 :geezer:

Represents the first 6-8 hours. Not sure how much total time the game has in it.

I do find the gunplay to be very... odd. Sometimes it rewards you for your skill and other times it just gives you a hearty "Fuck you!"

Ammo scarcity is pissing me off a lot.

Deux Ex had the same issue.

I'm not saying that makes it ok. Check more toilets I guess.

I'm not really up-to-date on the details, but should we be discussing this?  If, yes, carry on.

Yes, ammo conservation was a big part of how you ended up playing Deus Ex.  Not sure if this was a factor in the ill-fated sequel.

We should have a ban on referring to that other game as a sequel.

Possibly a ban on referring to it at all. Things we don't do here : breaking NDAs and that other game.

This game we are discussing here is Deus Ex 2 : The only sequel to the smash hit turn of the century video game, Deus Ex.

I think we actually have like one person that liked that game here.  We can fix that.

I approve of ammo scarcity.  Running around with five hundred bullets on you to go to the corner store doesn't made a bit of goddamn sense.  Even if I was packing for a firefight, I can't see myself carrying more than three spare mags for any given gun; the weight and awkwardness would get crazy at that point.  People don't appreciate the size and weight of a full 30-round rifle magazine, it's not something you just toss in a pocket and forget about.

I thought Invisible War was okay, once you install the community texture replacement mods to make it not-ugly.  Not nearly so good as the original, but still playable.

Through tar and feathering?

In my defense, it let me play a female?  Please don't ban me, Rasix.

Which is fine but...

1) Running about expecting to be able to shoot 500 guys in the face, all of whom inexplicably take 10 shots each to go down doesn't make a bit of goddamn sense.
2) Even in the southern United States of America it is not common to find ammo boxes stored in public lavatories.

Given these factors, it wouldn't be unreasonable to store more ammo in your character's innumerable pockets.

I seem to recall a time when some friends and I tried out the resident evil pencil and paper RPG, and one of my friends tried to carry some truly absurd amount of ammo on him claiming that technically his character was allowed to carry that much weight.  I think the DM shut that down just on principle because it was going to take the suspense out of what was going to be a campaign focused around survival.   

Anyway, I don't really care about the sheer numbers.  If there are 500 guys, and they each take 10 shots to kill, anything less than 5000 rounds is going to be "scarce."

Ammo scarcity doesn't bother me one bit in this because I'm playing it Splinter Cell-ish. There are plenty of other games where I can run-n-gun.

Yeah, i got through the demo without firing a shot.  I am slightly underwhelmed by the upgrade choices, nothing jumps out at me as worth having other than the things that allow you to get into places like jumping and hacking.  Edit: without firing a shot until the last guy :P

There's an interview with the lead writer here (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/08/12/i-would-hope-that-saner-minds-would-prevail-deus-ex-human-revolution-lead-writer-mary-demarle-on-the-ethics-of-transhumanism/) mainly about transhumanism and augmentation.

First game I've played on my nearly four year old rig that is choppy on low settings.  I'll have to PS3 this one, I think.  Looks good though.  Fairly interesting to look at.

So the PC version is going to have intra-European region locking (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/08/17/deus-ex-human-revolution-is-region-locked/). A huge dick move, and most likely in flagrant breach of EU trade laws.

Frankly I am surpised they didn't distinguish between Germany and Austria, because the German lawmakers don't like the fact that people can just buy the uncensored Austrian version without any hassle.

Maybe this is just a trial balloon. Either way, it sucks. Region locking was a retarded thing with DVDs and it is worse with games. At least most DVDs are multilingual.

Siiiiiiiiiiiiiigh. Death to regional locking.

Oh dear...Looking at the topic on the official forums, it looks like I'll be forced to deal with the usual half-assed italian translation we get over here, without being able to play the game in english :(

Wow, I was not aware that some publishers are actually this terrified by the idea of people shoving money at them. Looks like money does smell after all.

Can you play the austrian disc version in english?

Order from here (http://www.greenmangaming.com/) and worry not. Unless you want a physical copy, which seems to be what the region locking is really focusing on.

Edit: use the code SUNNY-SAVER-20PEC and get Deus Ex 3 for $34

I just had my pre-order cancelled from ozgameshop because of the region locking.  They are located in the UK and I am in Australia.

I don't want the game bad enough to pay $AU rrp so fuck em.

They had it for 28 a few weeks back.

And they wonder why people go to the Cove of Buccaneers...

Is there any firm release date on this? I have it preordered on Steam, but there's no Steam countdown. It makes me worry.

There is for me.  Midnight next Monday.

Just refreshed. 1 week, 10 hours, so 10 PM next Thursday. Fucking staggered Euro/UK/US releases!

Bricks in the pockets of a fishing vest plus a brick-filled backpack. Make the player wear that while playing.

ArsTechnica has a review of the PC version (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/08/deus-ex-human-revolution-on-pc-hands-on-with-the-best-version-of-the-game.ars) and says that it's not merely just a console port for the PC.

I wish I could play the PS3 version before launch, just to get an idea of how much better the PC version will be.  I can struggle with a little chop on my PC if it's that much better.

Bad link, try this (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/08/deus-ex-human-revolution-on-pc-hands-on-with-the-best-version-of-the-game.ars)

Jesus I seem completely unable to do links lately, thanks.

A furiously backpedaling Squeenix abandons region locking: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/08/18/dxhr-no-longer-region-locked-in-europe/

I just bought the latest edition of PC Gamer and they seem to love it.  They gave it a 94% and Editor's Choice.  The RPG elements are supposedly very strong given thats the gameplay is a FPS.

It's really not a FPS unless you want it to be.  From playing the demo going in guns blazing fps style seemed to be the least beneficial approach and least supported by your upgrade choices.

The region locking is not going through now.  Thread at eidos games forums here (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=119397&utm_source=mailingmanager&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Oz+Deus+Ex+Message+-+18%2F08%2F11)

But the console versions may still be region locked?

Good for them, as thanks I will preorder it this evening instead of waiting for the first sale.  :awesome_for_real:

I thought the region locking was just for the PC boxed versions, not the console versions?

And I'm still waiting for a few weeks after the actual release just in case they've decided to pull an UBI, just like I do with literally every AAA game the past year. This policy's helped me avoid a few stinkers. :awesome_for_real:

Pre-order Deus Ex and get some free TF2 items (http://www.teamfortress.com/deus-ex/)

They're going to have to do better than that to get me to preorder. I give no fucks about TF2.

I know I am going to buy the game anyway, so I don't mind some free TF2 stuffs.

Gamestop has a better pre order offer of in game content.  A couple weapons and a mission.

Got my code from green man gaming today, can't believe i got this for 28 bucks.

If someone refers you to greenman, then you both get a $5 credit towards your next purchase, too.  I'll be happy to refer anyone that PMs me their e-mail.

I'm so easily amused (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrQJ7GVBq-k)

Just keep in mind the referral has to be for someone opening a new account. Missed out because of this.

Please explain this to me

Because a video compilation of beating up women for no real reason is hilarious and good wholesome family fun, y'see.

Not juvenile and mysoginistic and stupid at all!

That video is awesome, I'm not sure why. I think it has to do with how severely badass they make the main character seem. Putting aside the mysogeny for a moment, when he punches someone he looks like he fucks their world up and I like that.

Hmmm, fighting does look interesting.

But the game is so ugly and so brown.  Lots of games are brown but that video is the browniest brown I've ever seen.

10 pages of posts. And you get to be the first to point that out. Think on that.

I'm sure graphics are massively important ... to some.

For once the brown is actually a thematic choice.

I enjoyed this interview, and it's on topic:  http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/6462/a_cyberrenaissance_in_art_.php

Arstechnica has posted a review (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2011/08/the-future-begins-with-you-ars-review-deus-ex-human-revolution.ars)

*Edit* I think i'm giong to take advantage of Amazon's $10 credit pre-order offer.  This thing is just getting ridiculously good reviews.

Happy U.S. release day! Let us (that is, europeans) know how the game runs on the PC :)

Please let it not suck. This is probably the closest I've come in a year to actually preordering a game.

Yes, please let it not suck. And please let there not be any more people who pronounce Deus as "Deuce".

Douche Ex?

Do Sex 3

Wow, I am a sucky commando.

Dying horribly and repeatedly wouldn't be so bad (though I'm starting to get the hang of the cover system!) if the loading time for restarting after death was not so glacial.

Apart from the horrible horrible load time, it seems promising so far (just past the intro and starting into the first mission).

Yeah, load time can be pretty bad.  Other than that though, I'm had a pretty fun time stealthing through the first mission (on the normal difficulty).  Apparently missed out on a secondary objective though.

I'm going to just go right out and ask: Is there any DRM on the US version beyond just steamworks? All info I can google up just keeps mentioning steamworks and nothing else, but it's probably still a bit early for reports of this being visible on google.

They plan on putting StarForce on the Norwegian version I hear.  :why_so_serious:

I hate you. :why_so_serious:

Are load times bad on the pc or just consoles?

I doubt anyone with the console version has gotten it yet.

I haven't seen PC load times, likely because they'd vary depending on any number of different builds.  But IGN did load time comparison on 360, PS3 and uninstalled 360.  

http://www.ign.com/videos/2011/08/22/deus-ex-load-time-comparison-360-ps3-360

Edit:  The loaded roughly in that order - with 360 fastest, PS3 in the middle and uninstalled 360 last. 

Well it looks gorgeous runs smooth as silk on my PC at 1920x1080 (fairly high end PC). I only got the chance to play until the first enemies show up in the first mission before work so I can't comment on load times.

Word is it's roughly the same across all platforms with PC having a slight advantage, but still a bit long. SSD doesn't help either. If it's anything like the preview build, then it can be noticeable at times, but for the most part isn't that big of a deal. Hopefully they can optimize it in a patch.

Has anyone looked at the memory usage and/or CPU usage during the load times, or run a process dump while it's loading? I called CCP out on them having what looked like a 10 second sleep() function in one of their last updates.

Wait, you died during the tutorial?

The feeling I'm getting is to go PC over console? Although it would be nice to sit on my couch while I play... :grin:

(http://forums.f13.net/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=5718;type=avatar)

 :grin:

PAVLOV GOES RING RING.

I may want to shoot something, so this is going on the PC.  Plus, it is Deus Ex.

I have a special room for my PC.  

edit: Hey, where'd that other post go.

Sorry, I'm indecisive. I didn't think anyone was looking. Now you look crazy!

Load time is usually heavily CPU dependent in PC games.   


I recommend a Lazy Boy for your PC.  Tell the wife your office chair is making your back hurt.  :why_so_serious:

"Let's play" video for the PC version (high quality; for the other parts he posted so far, you have to visit his YT profile page):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PAkK84MHrA

Judging from the "Advanced" graphics tab, looks like he's playing on maximum settings. (with a DX11 card)

Very smooth so far with everything but Ansi maxed out, and this is with a Q9550, 4gb of RAM, and a 5770 so it's not a bleeding edge rig.

You are hilariously fragile in this game.

Jensen: I am become death, destroyer of worlds!

*drops 6 feet onto a roof instead of taking the ladder*

*dies*

There's an app for that.

I'm waiting for the Yellow->White lighting mod on this one I think.

I didn't quite understand how to use the cover system correctly.  Once I figured out how to pop up from behind cover to take a couple shots and duck back down my survivability improved a good bit.

I kinda hoped I wouldn't need an app so my heavily augmented supersoldier's legs won't shatter like glass when I step off a curb.

You have to wonder just how much he would weigh after all those augments.

He needs some Aperture Science Knee Replacements.

Shit was completely unwatchable - couldn't stand watching him struggle like a moron with menus.

Four years after I started this thread and eleven years and two months after the original release - I can officially say:

Worth the wait.

If you don't like this, you don't like games. Drown yourself in a bathtub.

The developers seem to have missed the last 10 years of FPS 'evolution', as this game has nothing in common with shitty corridor shooters. I played a good 7-8 hours today (nice week to take a vacation) and I think I might have spent maybe 1 hour of that in combat scenarios? The other 6-7 hours has been hacking into computers/offices, sneaking around, and digging up secrets.

I missed you, intelligent FPS. I thought you were gone for a while there.

The first few hours of this (for me) were just fantastic.  Goddamn.

They just managed to become the first game I've pre-purchased since Spore. Next up: Rage.

Yeah and the graphics missed the last 10 years of FPS evolution too :awesome_for_real: :oh_i_see:

I don't know what you mean, the PC version looks gorgeous. Running it maxed on a 5870. Ironically my only complaint about the graphics would be that it is a bit too brown (Sepia-tone really), which is definitely one of the cool 'evolutions' to surface from shooters over the past 10 years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_DASLuIxOE&feature=player_detailpage#t=250s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5hmZyGLdKg&feature=player_detailpage#t=310s

I see what you mean. :why_so_serious:

id take bland graphics compared to shit gameplay

I could tell the instant I saw the way the polygons looked with the bent arms and the way the arms attached to the body in that intro (your 2nd video link) that they were using some old technology, though I don't remember the newer Tomb Raiders looking so bad.

Oh I agree it was just very jarring having just played part of the Space Marines demo. The first one didn't have particularly good graphics either.

The pre-rendered cinematics you linked are (fortunately) very rare in the game. They're low-res, and don't reflect how the actual game looks.

~7 minutes into the video you linked is actual in-game stuff, and even then the quality isn't really visible in this particular video.

I played about 10 hours and so far it's golden.  I'm enjoying ferreting out secret stuff while sneaking around being a ninja.  Thus far I haven't augmented a single combat ability, sticking to hacking and utility stuff to get around more easily.  I'm also being fairly successful at being non-lethal, though exceptions have to be made when my hacked turrets blow away a dozen guys.

Yeah, good stuff so far.  There are a lot of little things I could nitpick, but overall I'm having fun doing a completely non-lethal/stealth run through.

Funnily enough, I was looking at the pre-rendered cinematics (are they really? That's surprising to me, as I would've assumed rendering that on the fly would be a lot better diskspace-wise) and listening to the guy doing a playthrough bitching and moaning about it, and I just wasn't seeing it.

I guess I just don't look that closely. Mainly because I don't really give a flying fuck about graphics as such, I suppose. I'll see how it looks/plays in 2560x1600 on friday, though. If it really is pre-rendered (and not just an upscaled low-res real-time render), then that should be evident then.

For those sitting on the fence, or Euros living vicariously, Giantbomb has a good video up:

http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-deus-ex-human-revolution/17-4749/

It's freakin' amazing.  It couldn't be what it is without the first one, but if it keeps going this well then I dare say it's an improvement on the original.

Damn you all. I already have three other preorders sitting in my wallet, I was banking on this being a flop.

I like the endorsement, I was on the fence about getting this but I'll guess I'll give it a go.

Pretty much this. I have a ton of games coming out starting with D4 in two weeks, and really don't have the money for this right now.  :angryfist:

Picking this game up tomorrow - this is the first game I have preordered..since..well I can't recall ever doing it.

After the Dragon Age II fiasco, I'm still on the fence from preordering Mass Effect III.

Fuck, I've got a camping and boating trip lined up for this weekend and now I find out this is a must play. I'm actually tempted to just buy this and spend the 4 days weekend sitting at a desk, staring at a screen :awesome_for_real:

God damnit Deus Ex, i've fucking missed you.

Fuck all - I'm going to have to buy this now.  I'm out of town though and without a machine that can run it presently.  It'll have to wait for next week.

 :oh_i_see:

Sigh.

Ok.

For Fucks sake, OK.  I'll buy it on Friday.

You utter bastards.

Well there are annoying bits.

-NPCs are jerky and bobbleheady in conversations, twitching their heads around at an unusual tempo.
-You can get stuck on cover when trying to shoot around corners, winding up unable to shoot a damn thing while your crosshairs appear and disappear.
-Dunno if it's just me or not but the zoom button is unresponsive; I'll have to hit it 5-6 times before the game deigns to look through the scope.
-You can walk right up to a guy in his house, take his money and hack his computer, and he doesn't care.
-The awesome cyborg from the future is unable to grab and climb onto a ledge/hanging ladder/etc.

Those are all just nitpicks, though, and don't detract from the overall game.

Also, one thing that they helpfully never tell you in the tutorials, crouching alone isn't sufficient to sneak up on and disarm a mine.  You have to crouch and hold down the 'move slow' key.  Protip!

Also, moving diagonally makes you go a lot faster.

I've been informed that disabling vsync can fix the "this mouse just feels really really wrong" issues. I couldn't aim for shit this morning and was just going center of mass, but will try it out tonight and see if it fixes my issues.

My inability to aim turned my stealth playthrough into a bloody murder spree after the first like, three targets.

David Sariff has a diploma from the online university of Phoenix on his wall  :drill:

My issue with the zoom has been that it wasn't taking priority over everything else, such as moving while taking cover. I think this makes it feel a bit unresponsive. Though I'm only on the first mission since I didn't get much time at all to play

I don't think I can survive and keep my sanity until friday. Hopefully, tomorrow afternoon my trustworthy store will break the street date  :ye_gods:

I've had to remap a lot of the keyboard controls.  I'll probably be tinkering with it a lot more to get it to a point where it all feels natural.

I've been eyeing this one recently and it's starting to look like a must-have.

The big question is: 360 vs. PC. I'm really jonesin' for another couch game, but...visuals. One problem is my 30" monitor is about to go dark for a few days due to some computer issues. So is the difference enough to pry me off the couch to play on my dinky 23" monitor on my other PC? PC graphics on a 1920x1200 as opposed to a really comfy couch and a 360 driving a 55" 1080p TV. 

Decisions, decisions...  :why_so_serious:

That was the first thing I did as well, and zoom is Right-click to feel more like an alt-fire/zoom button in other games. So the unnatural feel isn't a key-bind issue at this point

GameStop opens Deus Ex PC copies to remove free OnLive coupon (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/08/report-gamestop-opening-deus-ex-copies-removing-free-game-code.ars). Just in case someone gets it for PC at GameStop.

Amazon still has the $10 credit KallDrexx mentioned. So don't go to GameStop.

 

Who the fuck at Gamestop thought this was a good idea?  This is mind boggling.

I'm smelling an incoming lawsuit.

Pretty great so far even though I'm only advancing at a snail pace so that I can look around everywhere.

My only issue is the load times, I'm running it off an ssd drive so it shouldn't be a problem, but it is.  Going to have to google up some answers.

Jensen does, too!

My urge to look behind every box and crate and find every possible secret is having a fight to the death with my urge to try to maximize exp bonuses (you get a bonus for doing things fast called "getting things done").

I hate those sort of boni, especially in a game which can emphasize stealth...

You can't reward just one kind of playstyle though.  There are rewards for exploring every nook, there are rewards for playing stealthily, i for one am glad there are rewards for doing things the direct way.

I guess I should get around to playing the original before this eh?

It's a prequel, you could just as well play it after.

I mean that I get annoyed when a game based around story has arbitrary end-of level bonuses that do nothing to further the gameplay. I think challenge modes are great, and offer great replayability, but I think they need to be separate from the core gameplay.

I go really slow and always get the "getting things done" xp so I don't think it's time based.  You get bonus xp for finding areas, hacking, non-lethal take downs etc when you go slow too.  You also get bonus xp for not causing an alert or not being seen so going slow is fine for xp bonuses.

I'd just play Human Revolution. You won't really miss much if you haven't played the original (some fore-shadowing, mostly). I don't know how well the first holds up, 11 years later.

I replayed it about a year ago and it was bearable. Once I got past the first level I really stopped noticing the graphics and fell back into the story. The gameplay holds up really well, and is still better than most modern games, and there were no obviosu moments where the game used some antiquated convention which has since been improved upon.

There is also a high resolution textures mod (http://www.offtopicproductions.com/hdtp/), although I haven't used it, so I cannot vouch for the quality.

That said, I don't see any reason why you would need to play the original first. You should still play the original though.

Getting things done = mission complete bonus.

Explorer or something = found an alternate route bonus

ghost = nobody raised an alarm bonus

Pretty well actually.  Visually, it's a big bowl of MEH, but it can be improved with some high rez texture packs and mods.  The individual mechanics of everything was never the strong point of the game, so in a weird way it doesn't really matter if they don't match up to current expectations  (no chest high walls, etc).

I'd say if you can still play VTM: Bloodlines, you can still play Deus Ex. 

But yah, all you're likely going to miss is some nod-nod wink-wink references and portents of things to come.

The first one is (arguably) still the best single-player computer game of the last 11 years, so yeah, I guess it still holds up pretty well :)

Convenient time frame leaves PS:T out of the equation.   :awesome_for_real: But yah, the original is one of my most favorite gaming experiences ever.   I go back and forth over which I like better, but I got more replay out of Deus Ex.

Human Revolution captures a lot of what the original had going for it.  I can't wait for tonight.  Sorry inFamous, I'll finish you later.

Hehe, true about PS:T :). Infact, in my personal "best 20 of all time" (remember the thread about it a few years ago?), PS:T is at n.2 and Deus Ex at n.3  :grin: (Ultima Underworld 2 still at the top, sorry  :heart:)

Smooth operator is the no alarms went off bonus.  Ghost is a you weren't spotted by people bonus.  Though that's nebulous and (thankfully) fairly forgiving; I got glimpsed coming around a corner to use my taser shotgun on two schmucks but had them both down before they got out more than a 'Huh? Who's there?', and I still got the ghost bonus.  I think that in order to botch the ghost bonus someone has to spot you long enough to pull out a gun and start shooting at you.  i.e. a red alarm, not yellow.

As I was dragging unconscious bodies behind crates, I missed being able to easily just pick them up and throw them like the original.  I also missed that cheesy bloodstain texture that would appear under the bodies.

But I loved that they used the woman's scream from the start of System Shock 2 in the bad alleys of town, and that I walked by some street bum whistling the original Deus Ex theme.

And after dealing with lots of not-exactly-inspiring business owners in my line of work, David Sarif's voice acting is dead on.  It gives me flashbacks to almost identical voices saying things like, "I think we'll do without a backup system for a few months and see where the money is in December."

A single-player stealth/cover shooter is probably my least favorite genre after real-time strategy but that can't keep me from enjoying this game quite a bit.  A complaint though: once you get jump enhancement you do start to realize how many invisible walls there are :heartbreak:.

Ghost = nobody going hostile, so the alarmed "is anybody there" mode doesn't count.  That just means they heard you, if they saw you they would immediately go hostile.

I appreciate a protagonist who can't eat a dozen SMG rounds and still be standing.  The cover-based shooter gameplay may be stale as a genre, but it really does just make sense to get your ass behind something sturdy when bullets start flying.

In other news, my copy was still wrapped and had its coupon inside despite coming from Gamestop, but I picked it up before lunch on launch day before that memo apparently went out.  I'm rather hopeful that some regulatory agency puts their balls in a vice over a practice like that.

If it's a game that requires STEAM registration are they going to start opening the case and removing the game disc?

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-_Hk7dqKXfo4/TlV9S-C0O4I/AAAAAAAASDY/sloMWrWZd1I/s800/suggestion.JPG)

It couldn't hurt to help them destroy themselves faster.

Don't waste your time too much on that search. Apparently it's the coding and not something you can fix even if you have an SSD.

Actually it sounds stupid but it was suggested on the steam forums to turn off vertical sync of all things.  I have no idea why that would have any bearing on load times but it did cut it down from 40-60secs to 15-20secs.  Maybe there is some sideffect of the change or they are caching stuff...

Am I the only person who keeps VSYNC on? I hate the tearing I get when it's turned off.

Oh yeah it's on by default and I notice the tearing now but it's worth not staring at the load screen.

I don't get tearing unless my video card is melting down.  And considering how much vsynch tends to interfere with other aspects of games, I always check it off first thing.

Gamestop is now just pulling the game from the shelf. (http://www.1up.com/news/deus-ex-pc-pulled-gamestop-onlive-code)

I usually keep it on. In this case, it was completely fucking with the mouse movement for me, to the point where I'd be putting half my rounds into innocent walls because the mouse wouldn't stop moving when I told it to.

The tearing is pretty bad when moving quickly, but it's actually playable for me now

Soooo...  :uhrr:

Upcoming titles Steamworks:

Yeah, I realize this is all due to the OnLive coupon, and I kind of get how they are just trying to trim down on potential smaller competitors by cockblocking OnLive. But... this just seems very poorly thought out.

I usually have VSync on in all games. Haven't noticed any ill effects.


Also, is GameStop just going to stop selling PC now?

Maybe the loading works by doing a certain amount of work per-frame. That would be my guess.

If I was in the USA I could buy this on Steam for US$49.99.

Because I am in Australia, Steam wants to charge me US$69.99.

FUCK OFF. FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCKOFF.

It is because the bits have so much further to travel!  :awesome_for_real:

C'mon, only 5 more hours then I'll see if my store is willing to break the street date (it's a private store, no part of a big chain, if you kindly ask them they are usually willing to sell you a copy one day in advance :D). Currently playing the original Deus Ex, using it as methadone. I can make it!

GameStop is now just outright not selling DXHR due to having the shit kicked in over this OnLive debacle.  Surprisingly, Square Enix says it's fine and is actually accepting some of the blame.

http://kotaku.com/5834260/square-enix-totally-cool-with-deus-ex-recall

Pussies! Its not like GameStop is relevant for long anymore. Just sue them for damages and be done with it.

GameStop's been relevant in recent history?  I don't think I've stepped foot in one in years.  Certainly not for a PC game.

Supposedly they're killing off developer and publishers by reselling games, so they must be highly relevant. :awesome_for_real:

They are still really popular among console gamers I believe.  My quality of (gaming) life improved drastically after refusing to step inside one again though, always a terrible experience in there.  They've been opening packages and still selling as new for ages though, if this surprises anyone, they haven't been paying attention.

Last game I bought at gamestop was Spore (and really that only because they had just opened a local one). I see it as a sign.

They haven't been relevant to pc gaming in a looong time. Amazon for physical copies, but mostly Steam. Everyone wants to be Steam and everyone fails. I don't want a dozen different apps to run. I have Steam already, I have close to 200 games on there, I can right click one icon and have access to my games. Not playing ball with Gabe will probably cost you a sale with very few exceptions (physical copies and gog.com).

I do like that they're trying to prevent competition for a service they don't currently offer, though.

I still shop at EBGamestop for 360 games, mainly because its too much of a pain in the ass to get things delivered to my condo. Plus, unlike most of them I've been in, the one closest to me has been run by the same couple staff for the last few years, and I give them full credit for being good at their jobs and standing well above the typical Gamestop swill.

Apparently, if you are interested in getting an autograph from Elias Toufexis, the guy who voice acts Jensen, all you need to do is send him an email: contact@eliastoufexis.com

It's been a poor year for console releases for me, I've been mostly PC gaming since I got my new rig, and I don't have much I want to trade in anymore, so I haven't been to Gamestop in a while.  It was always easy to get the very latest PC releases there if you were inclined to do so.  But the game probably had to be less than a month old and from a major publisher.  There was a time when I was still wary about going only digital distro, but the lack of decent manuals, cheaper packaging, and improvements in Steam have gotten me over this hurdle.

I may go there if there's something I decide that I need minute zero at the last possible moment, but it's not a likely scenario. There are/were some decent folks at the Gamestop near my house.  Being more time constrained now means I can mostly fill all my gaming needs with new release, xbl/psn downloads and Steam sales.  No need to troll used console games anymore or pick up something browsing the store.


Back to Deus Ex.. I spent the entire evening just exploring Detroit and doing side quests.  It was fabulous.  

7 hours until deus ex is unlocked here ... it's 6pm and I've a fairly critical delivery tomorrow.

Uh oh. :ye_gods:

This game really reminds me of VtM:Bloodlines.

Picked it up an hour ago from a retailer downtown. Just one disc for the xbox360 Version. Unfortunately as with most recent releases only the german language track on there.

Seanbaby had this to say on twitter. I laughed.

Seanbabydotcom I have fewer bullets than enemies and die in one hit. Deus Ex seems optimistic that I'll choose "Stealth" as my non-linear gameplay option.

Seanbabydotcom "We have reports of dozens of armored hostiles in the area, Jensen. That's why we're giving you TWENTY bullets." Thanks, #DeusEx.

That seems par for the course, as I just started the first game last night (a mere 11 years late) and the first mission did basically that exact same thing.

Once you've modded up your guns they're pretty mean!  If you just want to shoot people in the face, you can.  It's just perhaps not super bright to stroll out into a big room with six heavily armed guys and start firing wildly.

If I wasn't doing stealth the lack of bullets would be a serious problem, you would basically have to use whatever weapons you are picking up off the bodies which at my low level is all 10mm.  I also don't really understand the use of the stun gun, as far as I can tell a non lethal take down is the exact same thing.  I haven't found any rounds for that stun gun since the first mission anyway.

I think they did that mostly to show that this wasn't your standard fps, there is also a valid storyline reason not to kill them.

Pffth, if you are actually killing people there are tons of extra ammo and bullets around.

My big problem with it is that there's no crosshair and you can't ironsight it, meaning I have to sort of vaguely guess at where the thing's going to shoot before I pop out.

And it's the only gun I have ammo for.  I keep seeing 10mm pistols on  the ground and thinking "finally, some BULLETS" and they end up giving me ONE BULLET.  Who carries a gun with one bullet in it?  That's so unsafe.  I know that the original wasn't exactly swimming in ordinance, but it was never THIS skimpy as I recall.

Is there some way to refill your energy that doesn't consume a candy bar?  I meleed a guy in the first mission and still haven't gotten that battery back, and inventory in this game is precious enough that I don't wanna waste it if there's an engineering bot somewhere or something.

New patch today supposed to decrease PC loading times by up to 50%.

My first level amusement is the Tranq rifle. "here's 9 rounds, have fun!", but it's entirely doable with those 9 rounds.

My later level amusement is "you loot a heavy machinegun for ammo. Here's 4 bullets!" Uh, isn't it a machine gun? Doesn't it fire more than four bullets at a time?!

I think I fired the tranq rifle twice.  I've noticed the lack of ammo, but I really haven't had to use any at all.  I guess they want you stocking up at hubs or something between missions.

The main difference between the stun gun and takedowns is that takedowns take energy.  To use if the stun gun, just creep up behind somebody and make sure the crosshairs are red so you know you're in range.  I try to aim higher up on the body rather than hit the legs but I don't know if that makes any difference.

I guess it would be more "realistic" if a guy whose been blasting bursts at you has a full ammo load when you take him down.  :grin:

As opposed to the guy that I snuck up on, knocked cold, and only had a single bullet?

Patch released to help loading times. Also they mention some mouse stuff. I really hope that they fix the V-Synch laggy mouse thing. Thats my only other problem with the game.

Patch info (http://store.steampowered.com/news/6146/)

If you pop a dude in the head while his back is turned, I'd expect his heavy machine gun to have more than 4 rounds of it's 100 round feed ;)

edit: alternatively, if I fire and he comes running, he should have to stop and reload his weapon after 4 shots if he forgot to keep it loaded.

Not if he's working for the same skinflints that hired you :P

I don't quite understand that either.  My first battery will regenerate on its own but not the second, I have to eat if I want that filled.  I tried buying an extra battery and another recharge but even then once I used energy it would only regen the first battery.

First battery is free, the rest you need to eat candy for. If your aug is toggled and has a drain, you can turn it off before a bar is gone, and that bar will regen.

Or you can be lame like me, and cheese one section of the game by hitting cloak and eating about 15 candy bars while running through a wide open area.

They will still hear you.

You just gotta be very careful with the wrappers, it's still totally realistic.

My first death came at the hands of the SWAT guys. They were being lippy, so I picked up a small box and threw it at one of them.

They can't take a joke. :oh_i_see:

Anyone else having problems with the Shanghai Justice quest? there is nobody to talk to at the limb clinic.  I may have bugged it by going there for the two praxis points before i had the quest.

I get that they wanted to go more in the stealth direction with the game but this shit just breaks immersion. You've just killed three guys that spend ammo like it's candy and when you loot them all you get is ten bullets, if your lucky.

If you want physical distribution of your title, they are very relevant. Especially for console titles.

Especially here in Finland. Good luck getting console titles anywhere else for a decent price.

Making your enemies stay down. (http://i.imgur.com/c0DaL.jpg)

Last night with vsync off, level load times were 30-35s.

Today with the new patch and vsync on, I just saw 16s.  That's not lightning fast, but wow is it an improvement.

Oh wow this game is good.

I can tell already im going to have to play multiple times.  I had to force myself not to reload the end of mission 1 just b/c I didnt pull off the outcome i was trying for, but just rolling with it.  It was harder than i thought, so my next aug upgrade was the social enhancer. :)  Trying to go non lethel this first run through, but shot gunning people is just too much fun.  Breaking into random apartments for fun and profit.  You never know what you'll find. Let's see, we've got drug dealers, bad employees, weapons dealers, gang turf.. Detroit is a fun place.  Advancing the main plot is a secondary thing.  Then again, I wonder exactly how much crime can i pull off when actually inside a Police Station...

As someone else said, Deus Ex, I've missed you.

So end result: very good game.

Minor gripe: the last level and endings? Phoned the fuck in. Also, you have to sit through the entire credits to figure out what the shit happened to a major plot point they left hanging.

But everything else? Awesome, even if I am the least stealthy ninja on the planet. I mean, I think I silenced my pistol and rifle just for laughs more than anything. And as unstealthy as is it, I cannot help but turn every robot and turret I find into a friend. In one level I converted a turret and just carried it around, opened a door and dropped it through the other side, waited a bit for the gunfire to stop and continued on to the next room.

Question: does killing the dudes in the prologue count against the pacifist achievement? (I'm getting near the end, and if that causes me to fail the pacifist runthrough, I will be sad) Is there a way to avoid 'em? I seem to remember at least one of them sitting in the doorway, which would be instant death if you tried to just sprint past him (no takedowns / nonlethal weapons / invisibility aug at that point).

I assume killing dudes by proxy (robots, turrets) is the same as killing them yourself as far as that achievement is concerned..

The only two things I can really complain about after the 2-3 hours of play yesterday, is that I'm not 100% comfortable with the cover system yet (it's partially clunky), and I feel the mouse response is a bit laggy. It's by no means a huge problem, but it feels less crisp than it could've been (and no, I don't have vsync on). The rest is just fine, and I wish I didn't have to work a few hours on saturday.

As for the playthrough itself, I'm currently playing through it violently, except the first "boss". I expect I'll have to do at least one more playthrough to do the silent mcsneaky bit.

I'm going for a sort of John McClane / Die Hard approach -- basically "good" (all hostages survived the first mission) but willing to pick the bad guys off one by one rather than try to incapacitate them.  So far I've been able to mostly get away with that.  It leads to the occasional firefight when you run into a room full of enemies, and I'm not sure if it'll scale as the game progresses, but we shall see.

It took me a while to get a hang of the cover system, but after maybe 5-6 hours I'm feeling pretty comfortable with it and mostly can reasonably lurk around behind walls and things, pop up and take shots at people with reasonably competence, etc.

I like the hacking minigame.

I was surprised that so few people (1.1% according to the achievement stats) chose to .

I'm liking the game a lot.  With the new patch load times are in the 10-15s range, which combined with my better grasp on the cover system and dying less often, makes for reasonable playability.

I actually think the cover movement system in Splinter Cell Conviction is the best one I've ever used in a game and I wish Deus Ex had it. It's not terrible though.

Also the stun gun is better than just cqc'ing everybody because you don't have to burn up your augmentation batteries with the stungun, and wait for the last one to recharge between every knockout. If two people are together you can punch one, zap another.

But then you don't get the awesome spittle spray when you punch a motherfucker's lights out.

I have the reflex enhancer. If two people are together, they're both meeting Mr. Fist.  :drill:

They do count, sorry.  You can stealth past all of them.

The speed in which the patch was released, and how drastically it changed the loading times, is a great sign for future attention to detail for this game. I am so not disappointed.

Annoyingly they fixed it before I got to check if it was CPU or disk-bound, or if it was just a case of an extraneous sleep(). :grin:

The fact that turning off vsync helped makes me suspect they were doing a chunk of level load work on each frame, and failing to use the entire 16.66ms minus drawtime for that work.  Though perhaps there were other entertainingly non-optimal things going on as well.

How do I bind keys so that I can leap from cover to cover? The prompts just come up as "undefined" and there's nothing in the options. Tempted to break out the gamepad here.

edit: it's the jump button. How weird.

That's what I found a bit clunky. Thankfully, it's not a superfastpaced game so it's not a huge deal, but I have latched on to the wrong wall more than once.

Anyone else find the Boss battles really a complete switch on the rest of the game? Here I am sneaking around and then I have to fight this dude who can shrug off 3 sniper rifle rounds to the head? Bah! Love the rest of the game though.

I find them completely silly in the context of the rest of the game (hostile doesn't obey the game rules? Check. Jensen strangely just walks into every boss room completely unaware of his surroundings while he's equipped with enemy sniffing radar? Check. Bosses all have something they by all plot logic should not have? Check. You can put 20 rounds into one of the bosses in the first level and deal no damage? Check.), but thankfully you can cheese every single one of them if you buy typhoon early. Fully upgraded it will two shot every hulking tank of a boss while they can't do anything about it.

What a horrible gameplay mechanic.

Our nation's most advanced warrior runs on fucking snickers bars. And is saddled with single digits of ammo.

Really sounding like an amazing game.

Your loss.  GOTY to this point (stiff competition upcoming) by a very wide margin.  I haven't had a game keep me up 3 nights in a row past my bedtime in a while. 

Some of the mechanics are a little silly, but overall the experience works for me.  The suspension of disbelief is no worse than a blockbuster action movie in most places. ^^

The character and facial animation is weak, but the voice acting is generally decent.  The lower quality/resolution prerendered cutscenes annoy me a little bit, but the overall experience is suitably entertaining. 

There was actually an e-book in-game that explained why these nutrient bars work. I bought it.

For what it's worth, I've never had any problems with ammo and I'm close to the end playing on normal.

I've only had one boss fight so far.  After coming close, but not doing so well, I tried grenades.  One Concussion, one EMP, a full combat rifle clip after each, and it was over.

Those remote detonation packs do a dandy job, I found.

I was mildly irked that it seems you can never regenerate more than a single energy cell, no matter how high you boost your recharge or capacity.  I'd been sort of hoping that you could recharge at least half of your total capacity, but nope.

I know, I'm always so serious.

Actually it's on my list, just not a full-price buy (almost nothing is right now). I'm definitely grabbing it when it hits a good sale, and I should have new pc guts by then, too.

Just sounds kinda silly reading through the thread.

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So would a thread here in 2000 talking about the original.  The whole is greater than the sum of its parts, as was the case with the original.

This one improves the game in some facets while making odd design decisions that didn't pan out in others.  

Turn off V-Synch and this will go away. I have it too, and on my 60mhz monitor, I get quite a bit of screen tearing with out it. But its better than the mouse lag.

I apologise for being the one with the inane questions, but, which difficulty level are those of you reporting overly sparse ammunition and bullet sponge bosses using?

I have it on the medium one.

They're just bullet sponges. For an example, a level 2 typhoon will kill a boxguard in 1 activation. The last tank-esque boss requires 2. I believe that's the highest damage attack in the game as well. So if you're trying to just shoot him in the head, it's going to take a while. But typhoons solve everything, and I don't get why people think it has hard to find ammo, I ended the game with 17 typhoon charges.

I'm playing on Normal.  I don't find ammo to be lacking, but they certainly don't throw it at you.  I explore like crazy and search anyone I kill and that has kept me topped off on ammo.  If you're going the non-lethal, non-seen route I could see there being a bit less ammo to go around, but what do you need it for?

I was amused that I was provided with only 20 bullets after agreeing with my boss that I'd be using deadly force and being told that there could be dozens of terrorists in the facility.  But afterwards, the terrorists were dead, the hostages were freed, and I had ammo to spare.  So I guess the system works!

I've been playing lethal, my main complaint is the lack of 10mm ammo after a certain point in the game. Hostiles stop carrying it, so you're reliant on ammo boxes, and the game basically decides it wants to give you only combat rifle ammo and up from there on.

Ammo is a bitch in the beginning if you try for non lethal without avoiding everyone, or if you actually try and use the machine pistol. Combat rifle ammo starts scarce and gets better, the LMG ammo just sits around in boxes everywhere. I just find it funny that dudes only carry like, 4 rounds for it.

If anything, I find more shotgun ammo everywhere, but damned if I've ever even fired one of them. My 10mm and my revolver are how things get DONE in this world.

Not to be an ass, but I did specify in the same post that I did have vsync off. :grin:

It's not bad, it's just that it feels less crisp than I expect. This is something I tend to feel whenever I'm playing a game running a non-id engine. It got better the more stuff I switched off, so I'm not even going to contemplate turning vsync on.

I will never enjoy half the items in the game, because I have yet to kill anyone.

I don't know if that's a net loss or gain on the experience.

Just for the record, the first bossfight is completely retarded. First they build up an incredibly cool and consistent cyberpunk world, then they have a magical boss douchebag that can take twenty rounds to the face without flinching. Also, Jensen seems to conveniently forget how to fucking use his fists. Whatta crock.

Like you are not gonna play again.

On a positive note, the social enhancer is pure games design genius.

The non-lethal takedowns are so much more satisfying than the lethal ones and those involve using armblades to impale and slice people increasingly brutal ways. God I love takedowns.

I'm playing stealthy since it kinda feels like that's how it's supposed to be played...the blindfiring is fucking -useless-. Worse than Uncharted 1 useless.

This is now $35 on Amazon DD. You get a Steam code to either put into Steam or you can download the game via Amazon and link it to Steam. You also get a bonus shotgun and sniper rifle.

Game is great, "Deus Ex 1-like" great, because, just like the original, it makes you approach the game in different ways from in and out of character points of view, beside allowing you to progress through alternative paths.
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- For example, from an out-of-character point of view you can decide beforehand you will play at "normal" difficulty, with a particular playstyle, only to reserve an alternate playstyle on your second playthrough, at a more difficult level. No matter how the enemies present themselves inside a certain building, you will stick to what you decided "out of the game" ;

- Or, you can mix 'n match, depending on the situation from a purely gameplay level;

- Or, for roleplaying hardcores, you try to understand who Adam Jensen is, how he's progressing through the storyline, how he's seeing the world then act accordingly:

for example: (SPOILERS for the first mission):

mod edit: seriously

Touching back on the GameStop thing, they're now reimbursing people with $50 gift cards, along with coupons for buy two used, get one used free.  Not a bad apology, really...

I'm sure the 3 people that bought a retail PC copy at Gamestop are thrilled.

I am loving the attention to detail.


Edit: it's not a spoiler spoiler, it's just a picture.

Nice.

Not really a spoiler (just a funny bit of background dialog during one of the missions), but I'll spoiler warning it anyway just in case:

Tried playing this last night. My old Radeon 3600 really wasn't liking it with the resolution at 1900x1080, even with some of the features turned down so I think I might leave off starting it until the new card arrives and enjoying it with all the graphical awesomeness (I like to think I'm not a graphics whore but if I can combine great gameplay with awesomer graphics, why not?) Stop making holding off so damn hard :tantrum:

Yeah, I'm not enjoying the boss battle thing.  Tried using the Typhoon even against this guy but maybe I'm doing it wrong since even two hits with the Typhoon doesn't stop him.

Okay, I am grateful for the faster level loads as this took a bit for me to finally work out a successful strategy....

Not really the end of the world but the boss battle thing was just massively different from all the game play up until that point.  On one hand, points for mixing it up a bit, on the other hand, kinda frustrating, and probably more so for people going non-lethal / stealth routes...

Regarding the boss fight,


Overall this game is a clear GOTY (Witcher 2 loses because of the horrid bugs). Everything about the game just oozes cool and just when you think it can't possibly get any better you spend a point on your cyber arms and start punching through walls, like a fucking boss (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NisCkxU544c).

That is superb.

+1 for turning off vsync, and I've also had to turn AA off. It crashes on anything except No AA or High FSAA for me (GTX260) and High was giving me terrible mouse lag.

Game is superb. My current sitting-at-PC time limit is about 2 hours, and I'm finding it really hard to stick to that. Taking it very slowly though - playing a stealthy run first time through. Shit needs a quicksave/load key! Once I discovered that there's loads of stuff hidden under and behind boxes etc., my speed decreased even further as I'm now searching every single inch of the place. :grin:

Edit: found the quicksave/load: F5/F8. Not documented anywhere that I can find.

Sorry about my previous post in this thread, folks; truly (yes, I know there is a spoiler tag  :P ; no, I thought it was a trivial one; but yes, I should have used it nonetheless).
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So, are you guys playing with the objective locator on or off? What about object highlightining? I'm playing with both off, although I realize there is an in-game reason for them (do the console versions offer a toggle for them too?)

I am having far too much fun with this game.

I'm on to the second city hub now, after the first boss fight and wrapping up loose ends in Detroit, and I've started picking up weapons upgrades like mad.

10mm pistol with +damage +lasersight +silencer is kinda nuts.  I was running around on rooftops because, well, you know, rooftops!  and turned a corner and blundered into two security guards who apparently hold to ROE that include "in the event of a civilian spotted on the rooftops, start a firefight with him immediately!"   I'm momentarily suprised that they immediately start shooting, but duck behind some HVAC unit and take them down.  Then I pick off their 5 buddies three stories down, one bullet each, they have no idea what's going on, because I've decided that these rentacops are too unstable to leave standing.  

I'd been eyeing the Icarus Landing System since the start of the game and have some praxis points to spare so I decide to give it a go.  It is, as I suspected, the I am the goddamned batman augment.  Far, far too much fun.

Also, how did it take me so long to realize you can get goodies (cash, hacking tools) by capturing the cubical "data nodes" while hacking things.  This has just changed the hacking game for me entirely. 

If you'd wandered along down the street below that roof, you'd've met a civilian complaining at a merc, and the merc telling her that they were locking down the building etc etc etc. Hence the trigger-happy guards on the roof above.

Also, about the first boss,

Yeah, I learned about the lockdown later while reading email on computers in various apartments in that building.   Conveniently those mercs carry credit chips at 10mm ammo, and while they usually don't have *much* 10mm ammo, it usually only takes one round to dispatch 'em, so I've been coming out ahead.

I'm torn between thinking the enemy AI is a little dumb and realizing that if the enemy AI were reasonably smart I'd never get away with my crazy playstyle, so it all works out in the end.  They're about as smart as typical action movie baddies for the most part, so it fits pretty well with the overall experience.

Protip: after shooting up a whole station, don't walk out the front door. :why_so_serious:

Knocked out two guys at once.  Picked up one of their bodies and tossed it of a fourth story balcony in the middle of his friends waiting below, as they all rushed to investigate i icarus jumped in the middle of them and typhooned them.  Two stragglers that moved too slowly because they wore heavy armor and carried heavy machine guns come around the corner, i pick up a mother fucking vending machine and fling it at them superman style taking them both out.  This is motherfucking glorious.

This was a pleasant surprise for me too. Also, once I realised to could cap more than one node at a time, the game became a lot less infuriating.

Pro hacking tip, fortifying your nodes is worth it, and once the alarm has gone off, there's no downside to hitting fortify on all nodes you haven't done so already.

I'm having a ton of fun creeping around, trying to take out everyone and get all the boni. The first boss was a bit of an arse, especially since I had spent the whole game playing stealth, and I am suddenly expected to go full combat. I managed to kill him with a combination of concussion grenades and sniper rifle shots.

I am not having ammo issues myself, but then playing stealth and using takedowns and headshots, I am pretty damn conservative. I am actually throwing most of the ammo I find away now. I think that if you explore, there is a lot of ammunation hidden away, but if you play this as a linear shooter you will probably miss a lot of the caches.

Easily the best game I have played in the past 3 years so far.

Hrm after reading all the negative about the boss fights I'm glad I accidentally talked the first boss out of fighting.  I'm definitely going to have to play this through a second time, as I tried to be stealthy and utterly failed due to not being used to the cover system.  

He's not the first boss :)

I've tried doing the Police station multiple times silently, but now the alerts out and ohgodeveryoneisdead and now I probably can't talk to the guy at the front desk :(

Oh nm lol.  I just assumed so because it had the horrible transition everyone keeps talking about.

I killed a LOT of cops when raiding the Police station, then walked out the back door, around to the lobby, and interrogated the cop in the front without a problem.

Doh! I have never used fortify.  Need to check it out.  Also didn't realize I could do things in parallel.  Need to try that too.  This may be the best hacking mini-game I've ever encountered.  Not perfect but way more engaging than most of the weak/annoying puzzles I've encountered elsewhere.

Managed the police station without hurting a single person. Cleaned it out completely too... every single office and desk robbed, the armory cleaned out twice (I had to go back for some side missions and it had restocked, yay!) and every single computer in there hacked.

Then I exited the police station and accidentally hit Q whilst stood behind the cop on duty outside and perforated both his lungs with my arm-blades. Oops!

Another "sort-of-protip" for hacking: if you capture the security node(s) (the one the trace starts from), you automatically complete the hack and get the rewards for every bonus node on the grid (the cubical ones). It's a good time-saver, though it obv. only works on grids where there is a path you can take to the security node.

e: The last level / ending is kind of a letdown... but that's kind of expected for games like this, see also system shock 2, bioshock, etc.  :awesome_for_real:
e^2: It looks like if a bot/turret acquires you as a target, it counts as an alarm for the "didn't trigger any alarms" achievement... would've been nice to know beforehand, too. Oh well!

She should have got my mirror fixed... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whtNHRYJnrU&feature=player_embedded)

Small easter eggs I've found within the first 2 hours of playing


First Quest Spoiler:

Pretty minor, but just in case...

She was the first person I did a take down on.  If you hack her computer there is even an email saying that they have my mirror and have been asking her to come and get it for weeks!

My amusing little eggs, other than the ones already posted:

There are others but I can't remember them all.

Alright if you haven't had some really good fun in video games for a while take increased strength and turret hacking.  Then carry the hacked turret around with you and plop it down in front of whatever you wish to die.

Other than the boss fights/cutscenes this game as quickly becoming my all time favourite, replacing, Deus Ex.

Late in the second hub:

Ending spoiler:


 :drill: :drill: :drill:

Well, this is all rather fucking cool as utter fuck.

 :heart:

While nearing the end of the game (apparently, according to what I've been told), all the sneaking around is starting to aggravate me. Going Rambo is rarely an option, due to ammo scarcity.  :oh_i_see:

I'm with you, i loved sneaking around at first but combat just gets better and better.  I have transcended bullets, i fight with refrigerators.

The energy system is starting to piss me off in some major way. 10 hours playtime and I guess I played 15 minutes with more than one battery charged.

Spoiler for the first 20 minutes:

The only time I had more than 1 battery was when I didn't feel like waiting and munched on Snickers to cloak my way past some patrolling baddies. That and in the final setpiece battle, because fuck waiting for recharge when I'm carrying the annual output of Cadbury's in my backpack.

My biggest grief: No target reticule and no iron sights. How the fuck do you aim in this game if half of the stuff there is can't even be used for cover? (Seriously try to get into cover and half of the time it doesn't work)

I'm also not really cut out for stealth. Triggers my OCD when I get noticed.

Um? Iron sight is, by default, the middle mouse button. The target reticule is off by default but can be turned on in, if I recall right, the gameplay options.

Hmm, have you tried Middle Mouse Button for ironsights?
Additionaly (some/all?) weapons can be fitted a laser-dot extension (Similiar to the one used in the intro/tutorial).

I can relate to the stealth issue though..save/reload/save/reload sigh.

Yeah, but you can't iron sight/scope from cover which kind of sucks.

If you care to explain where the middle mouse button is on my XBOX Controller I'd be glad ;-)

I looked it up in the manual. It's "press right stick", doesn't come up in the tutorial though. (Which brings me to my next pet peeve about the awkwardness of using the analogue sticks as additional buttons)

I'm sorry, but the PC version of this is glitchy as all fuck. Motherly Ties and Cloak & Daggers are both glitched for me, and it turns out they're reasonably common glitches. (If they've been discussed earlier here, my apologies: trying to avoid spoilers.) I'm loving the basic core of the game but I'm not loving the call-back to "we tried to make an open-world game but forgot to playtest it".

Lean out of cover then use your sights.  It's actually realistic, if a bit annoying.

I want a mod that lets the full battery recharge.  I'm okay if additional cells are slower.  I also want stealth leg enhancements to be passive.  Those are the only two (minor) gripes I have with the game.

Beat the game.  Damn it's incredible.

Leaning out from cover to shoot is okay, at least if you have laser sights or the enemy is close.  The main thing that annoyed me is the boss fights when I am forced to turn from a sneaky invisible guy to an absolute retard who lets bosses actually freaking lay their hands on me and even get behind me...

The batteries not recharging past the first is also, as mentioned, absurd.  What good are all those praxis energy regen upgrades if they only affect the first?

Those regen upgrades should have let you regen more bubbles rather than speeding up the first one.  Someone needs to mod that in.

So broke down and bought it today, too many people praising it not to.  Very impressed so far, was so worried it would just be "Generic FPS #123".  Then I find out, it has good Eyefinity support!  :heart: :grin: :heart:



Yes!

Apart from the crazy load times which they fixed in that patch, I've found the PC version to be stable and without any major problems.  I've had maybe one or two crashes while loading a large new level in ~30 hours of gameplay, and no issues of side quests not working or the like.

Thrawn, what kind of insane display setup do you have that gives you a screenshot like that?

Okay, for the first time, rather late in the game, I actually went back and explored another option to do something and I'm really impressed at how two very different approaches to something advanced the story to the same point but with some side-effects (I suspect).  Spoilers for the convention center follow:

The 'same' conversation can be different, too.  Both in response, flow, and route, even if you end up with the same result.

Yup, there are no predetermined outcomes for conversations, everything seems to be a roll.

Eyefinity is multiple monitor support, that looks like 3 monitors. I am envious.  :awesome_for_real:

Interesting!  Having only once reloaded from save to try a conversation a second time I hadn't realized just how flexible the system was.  I also haven't purchased the influence augment, just relying on Adam's endearing charm in conversations ^^

I didn't have any probs with those quests, but "Thalion A.D." glitched out for me pretty badly:
I had a save from the previous map, but reentering caused the same problem, every time.

Has anyone been able to finish this one?

Yeah, it doesn't update the quest registry nor does it give you back the pocket secretary entry.  Very annoying that.  The quest remains active and can be completed, you must locate them on your own before the quest will update.

The hacking pro tips are much appreciated.  I was going to ignore it as much as I could but now that I'm pro it's more fun than scanning planets plus it lets me break into people's stuff.


I also didn't know conversations could vary, so how does the social enhancer aug work?  Steer the conversation towards an objectively optimal result?  I tried watching a clip of it in action but I don't understand the blinking alpha beta omegas or pheromones.

I must say both the graphic design work and the UI design work in this game is excellent. I liked that everything is a roll even conversations.

It's really not an open world game, compared with a GTA or Elite style game. Neither was the original Deus Ex. You can't make a career out of the open-ish sections.

There's an "objective" in each conversation in which you can use it (e.g. trying to get guy X to tell me Y).  It's not something that comes up in most dialogues.

The aug has three components as far as I can tell.  One, there's a little bar in the top left that tells you how "persuaded" the guy is, higher = more convinced.  It shows little pictures of hearts and lungs and skin and eyes which I have no idea WTF they mean.  Two, there's a "pheromone" device, which you watch, and the one it blinks most under is the pesonality type of that character (alpha beta or omega).  Then, at some point in the conversation, you're given an option to use your pheromones, where you guess his personality type and if you're rewarded, it raises his persuasion level.  Three, there's a little psych profile on the right side of the screen which tells you about the guy's arguing style and which options would help you (in theory, in practice I didn't find it that useful, most of the time I thought two or three of the options fit the profile for "good arguments" but only one was the "right" one).

As others have said: This game is just way too awesome. I'm loving every bit of it, from the endless details hidden around the maps to the radically different approaches to most missions. Finally a true successor to DX1. :drill:

And yeah, the system for the "social battles" is what every RPG dialog designer should be using as a baseline from now on.

There is one decision that actually really bummed me out:

Personally, after having spent a bit of time with deus ex now, I think the cowering behind boxes etc system could've been dumped (or made optional) on the PC in favour of just manually crouching and leaning out etc. There are still times when I latch on to the wrong wall, or when it switches away from aiming the gun at a critical point, so I'm not 100% happy about it, but the rest of the game is so well-designed that I'm willing to overlook that.

Apart from that, it's been a refreshing return to newly released games which aren't too dumbed down.

So much fun to be had just dicking around. I just killed a dude by dropping a fridge off of a balcony onto his head. Here's 6 unconscious rent-a-cops stuffed into a ventilator shaft, which I blocked off with a vending machine after taking the pic:

The lip-synching, however, is truly terrible. I am particularly amused by the way that the characters jiggle about like Thunderbirds puppets when speaking. I've noticed that Malik (the heli pilot) is especially good at this.

Yeah, what I meant instead was if you're going to let people complete quests in different orders and interact with objects before the quest connected to the object becomes live, you have to test that. Motherly Ties, for example, has glitched for me (and others) for the following reason(s):

1) If you talk to the ex-cop security guard at a time after you've gone in the police station via the sewer entrance to get to the corpse in the morgue but before you have hacking 2 the alarm in the basement sometimes goes off continuously? Even if you get out without being seen, you show as "hostile" to the police and can't get in the front by talking to Haas. So the ex-cop will tell you the things you need to do for Motherly Ties but one of them you'll automatically turn down (confronting the crooked cop) because you show as someone who can't interact peacefully with the police. If you later turn off the alarm in the sewer entrance with hacking, you now are peaceful with the police and can talk your way in. So if you're still working on Motherly Ties, it now expects you to talk to the crooked cop. Only you can't, because he isn't a named NPC because you didn't get that part of the quest in the first place, and the ex-cop security guard is now unavailable. So if you go and talk to the mother--the quest will prompt you to, as if you've finished it--you get stuck in a loop and have to shut down the game.

2) Cloak and Daggers gets glitched sometimes if you try to take out the gang members via non-lethal and have to lure out the guys in the closed room with a noise or gunshot--one gang member can't be seen and runs to somewhere you can't get to him, and the quest will insist that you have to get up in a building that you can't get into in order to find him. Some people manage to get him to run back but sometimes he gets stuck on something.

If you're OCD about finishing side quests this is very annoying stuff.

Finished it up.  I really enjoyed the game.

Could have lived without the three boss battles -- they just didn't fit well with the rest of the game design.  I could see hardcore pure-stealth/nonlethal players being especially annoyed by them. 

Loved the twisty plot and the crazy details and backstory peppered all over the place in email threads, and other documents.  The conversation system worked really well -- I enjoyed verbally sparring with some of the key figures far far more than the boss battles, for example.

Yeah, I don't see how stealthy builds are supposed to do them without some form of cheese. So you may as well spam Typhoon twice and be done with it.

So my Stealthy Hacker is basically fucked during the boss battles? I can't remember that being a problem in Deus Ex 1. Bad oversight.

No, not at all.  There aren't all that many combat upgrades to begin with.  The problem isn't that stealth hackers can't win boss fights, the problem is that there is no "stealthy hacker" way of getting past them.  You just gotta fight, it's not actually hard.  It's not a problem of difficulty, just the jarring change of playstyle required.

DX1:

I think I shot him with a tranquilizer dart? I did that with many people in Deus Ex. But it has been years.

Some assorted thoughts post-game-ending.

Here be SPOILERS, not joking.

Though to be honest, the stealth hacker type should have the second best boss weapon in the game. You just can't stealth past them, which sucks.

The stun gun locks them down long enough to do anything you want to them. It's no typhoon cheese (two typhoons = dead every boss), but it's at least better than "all you have is a 10mm pistol, go nuts!"

The boss fights are the weakest part of the game, though. Just because they completely throw the entire concept of the game to the wind and say "here, we needed some bosses, so here's an obvious and repeated set piece against some random dude with more HP than a boxguard"

That's what I did for Musclehead McGirt. I have no problem doing that.  It's basically my way of denying that they're even in the game.  :why_so_serious: 

I'm just now at the TVM and I've still yet to kill anyone outside of the above mentioned aug.  Funny that I've got a sniper rifle, combat rifle and pistol which have yet to be fired. Plenty of ammo for everything.   The one thing I don't have a lot of is candy bars, I tend to use them when I'm down to one bar, which I suppose is pretty stupid.  I don't think I do enough take downs to warrant having to stay more than a bar up, but I hate being in the position where I can't do one when I need to.

Ohh and Malik's quest: awesome. 

Reproduced under the spoiler is an email received by Pritchard, which absolutely cracked me up.  It provides some insight into his character but does not otherwise spoil any major plot points, etc...

Another character from DX1 pops up


I'm just up to Montreal, and the attention to detail is really superb. It encourages players to take their time to examine every element of each stage, and make the most of it. This is probably the first game where I am actually reading most of the in game text, rather than just skipping past it.

Goddamn EMP Limpet Mines stopped my massive fun of running around carrying my pet turret.

BOOOOO, I Say, Booooooooooo.

Twice now I've had to dump guns and boxes and boxes and boxes of ammo.  I suspect that the people who are complaining of low ammo are the ones running around shooting like it's the Wild West.  Which is a perfectly valid way to play.

I'm not judgemental.

Honest.

I dart and shock way more people than I need to and I have like 20+ tranq darts and probably about 15 stun gun darts in reserve.  I probably won't start offing people until the end, if I do at all. By then I can justify that they're all just evil bastards.

I only started killing people in the original Deus Ex because I'd run out of non-lethal means to take them out.  Plus, those bionic G-men were a bit of a bother if you didn't throw some serious pain their way.

Today at 10pm GMT there will be a special announcement about the game; what do you think it will be? DLC/cut content or what?

That we've all been dreaming and it's time to wake up and go to school.

 :heartbreak:

My bet is an announcement that they're remaking dx 1 in this engine.

Getting people's hopes up like that is really mean. (pleaseletitbetrue, pleaseletitbetrue)

For anyone that hasn't looked at it, the FOV option in the game menu really improves how the game looks imo.  You have less of a console tunnel vision viewpoint.


Yep, 3 monitors side by side on a desk.  A lot of games don't support it very well unfortunately, even if it supports the graphics spanning that wide a lot of times the HUD is almost un-useable without an annoying amount of editing and modding.  But when it works great with built in support in something like Deus Ex it's awsssommmee.

I haven't finished the game yet (actually, I'm still very early on), but regarding a possible DLC for the game:

I jokingly said that to myself.  It'd be awesome.

I'd be thrilled if they announced they were going to DLC in the planned montreal hub that was cut, since it would tie up a LOT of lost plot around there.

The cynic in me says they'll just make the Tracer Tong sidequest available as paid DLC.  :awesome_for_real:

Finally back home from my longish trip - purchased this and its installing now.  I've managed to avoid spoilers so far.  Looking forward to this more than any single player game in a long time.

Holy Shit, the Magnum is rather perky, isn't it ?

Has anyone managed to find a good use for the PEPS? On paper it seems awesome (yay concussion rifle) then in reality you get this one-shot-at-a-time unaimable stun shotgun that underperforms the tranq rifle, stun gun and takedowns in pretty much every concievable non-lethal and stealth situation. And if you're not being stealthy, why not just kill your enemies.


Oh indeed, and it only gets better with upgrades.

Ahahah let's make a big chain of spoiler tags, but seriously:


It's good if you're a hit and run guy who dances in front of security cameras or takes pot shots to funnel guards/enemies into killzones. Also for two ambushes. It has no target limit; I've bowled over literally 8-9 guys at once with it. Problem is that by the end of the game it won't one-shot knock out anyone and it takes 30 years to reload. You're better off just pulling out your explody magnum and slaughtering everyone.

Can't read nineteen pages.  360 or PS3?  Not sure what engine it was produced in.

I used to research this stuff until Recent Events.  Pardon the laziness.

Are there any emenies who drop crossbows? I have now looted my way through Shanghai and Montreal and aside from seeing a lone vendor hours back who sold a crossbow, I haven't seen one since. At the time buying praxis kits was more of a priority, but now I have 25K+ credits and nothing to spend them on.

I'm a bit disappointed with the sniper rifle. Partly because it doesn't fit into my stealth gamestyle since it cannot be silenced (unlike the DX1 equivalent) but also, it isn't much more powerful than the 10mm pistol or magnum, especially when you consider how accurate those weapons are, and how fast they can fire. I haven't really touched the machine pistol, shotgun or combat rifle, and I have just gazed mournfully at al the heavy rifles and ammo for them lying around at the moment. I need to have a guns blazing playthrough and see how it compares to stealth.

I'm doing two playthroughs at once.  My stealth playthrough on medium difficulty I'm close to the end on.  My hard difficulty, shoot anything that moves playthough I'm close to halfway through.  Sadly from what I've heard, the Pacifist and Foxiest of the Hounds achievements also include not killing/being spotted by anybody during the opening tutorial mission so I'll miss out on those.

Didn't kill a soul on my playthrough but didn't get pacifist. I'm not sure what happened.

Did you kill any guys during the tutorial?

I have never seen an enemy with a crossbow anywhere in the game.

And the only thing the Sniper has over the 10mm upgraded is range, the 10mm has a middle tier effective range, but this only really shows in GIANT OPEN AREAS, of which there are like, 4.

I found the heavy rifle to be terrible due to how the cover system and damage works, but the combat rifle is serviceable in the end game due to tons of ammo lying around and accepting all the important mods.

I've yet to fire a shotgun at all.

There seems to be a bug where dragging certain bodies or tranqs to the head on certain characters kills them. You can only really tell by checking the status of every body you cross.

The Foxy achievement only counts alarm systems sounded (the klaxons and sirens and whatnot, usually triggered by an alerted enemy pounding an alarm button or by being spotted by a camera).  Since you're in your own base in the tutorial section, you should be okay.  I got it, and I blasted my way through the tutorial with an automatic rifle.

One other thing I've realized from playing this game, is that I actually kinda dislike that the dialog options match word for word exactly your character says when you select them.  It feels repetitive to me in a very slightly annoying sort of way.  I know some people here have complained about the opposite (in Bioware games in particular), but I just realized that I prefer it that way.

I like vague dialogue when I can at least sort of guess what I'm going to say. I dislike the option of "Disagree" followed by pulling my weapon and threatening their firstborn child as I stare at my character thinking "I just meant I don't really like his idea!"

Sometimes they differ, *slightly*, but I'm definitely in the crowd that prefers them to be 1:1.  I find it really jarring when I pick a dialog option that implies one thing and my character says something else...

For those of you who didn't preorder, there is a Silenced Sniper Rifle just laying around in the lower level of the Tiang Medical tower in Hangchow. It's really amusing getting back of the head shots at long range of 10 guards who can't see each other getting killed from somewhere - I rarely have to use the scope, just a laser range finder.

I haven't finished yet, but this is my GOTY.

Thanks for the info. That's frustrating. Guess I'll have to replay it in a couple of months.

I had it for the PS3 and it played fine.  Loading times were 20ish+ seconds (slim model fwiw) but it felt faster.  I liked it enough to get it on PC and that's where the graphical / patched load time differences are large.

I (accidentally) discovered the ability to throw a grenade at a locked door to blow it open instead of hacking it. My next discovery was shotgun blasts work too.  Not sure if safes can also be destroyed.

That is AWESOME.  I loved the hacking game so much that I always wanted to hack stuff, but I love the multiple approach stuff.

After getting the cloaking device augs late in the game, I was a little annoyed by the battery situation.  Obviously this stuff is hard to balance and I don't know if I can suggest a better approach that wouldn't make it easy mode (if you can leave invisibility on near-constantly it's a bit of an overkill), but avoid the "food as augment ammo" thing they did.

If that's true then I'm probably already done working towards any achievements. I hate it when I don't know until the end if a certain achievement is possible to do or not.

They don't even tell you all of the stealth mechanics until the hostage rescue mission and they even give you an assault rifle during the pre-credit sequence. If I can't get the achievement because of this that would suck majorly.

Not that I'm an OCD achievement hunter in the first place but the achievements are mostly used to artificially prolong gameplay and not to reward players anyway.

They should at least tell you when you do something that makes getting a certain achievement impossible. I'm ten hours in so I'll not restart just to get it and this would make me have to do 3 or four playthroughs just to get all achievements anyway (something I'm not particularly fond of for 99% of all games)

Will it piss you off to learn that as far as I know there are 3 unlisted achievements?

One of which has the most absurd "you had to have the guide to know this" requirement?

Maybe it's just me but when I realize that I need at least 3 playthroughs to get all achievements then I'm even less inclined to do it. Especially when there are certain achievements that are easily failed if you accidentally miss something in some level.

The alternative would be to play the game exclusively for the next few months, which I won't do for anything on the account of me having a job, a social life and other interests apart from gaming and there is usually something else that comes out when I'm finished anyway.

Or to pick up a strategy guide or faq and play the game according to that, which would invalidate the whole experience completely. So I'll not only not bother doing any of the achievements but when I see shit like that I'm usually even less motivated to play the game after the initial play through.

With hardcore, "repeatedly play the game umpteen times over the next six months" or "scavenge every nook and cranny of the world" achievements the most common I'm clearly not the target demographic for those anyway.

A lot, so please do go on.

Achievements create a serious double-bind for me in that I know that I'll probably never get most or even all of them anyway but being pissed off that I can't nevertheless. This actually (sad but true) pisses me off so much that it might have kept me from completing or even buying certain games.

That's the thing with those additional motivators, they can totally backfire as methods to keep your customers playing more or longer when they realize that there is no chance in hell they will or can ever do them.

To finish my rant.

I have never ONCE replayed a single game because of achievements. I have replayed countless games, though, because they were GREAT GAMES.
I have on the other hand never bothered to finish a number of mediocre games that tried to manipulate me into playing them more by some sort of achievement shit. (Yeah I'm weird, I know)

Reading this makes me glad I don't care about achievements all that much. Especially the guards in the tutorial thing would piss me off.

So this "announcement"... so far there's been 2 codes:

First: okM8-+Ds4Dui?IMh$Mzvm14SBqe7;G.I6=u74b?mkh-45Ki60d+98XBpCku7

Second: 5 - / ! f / f q / x c / q y / d 3 / ? x /t $ / j #

Anyone inclined to play around with stuff like that?

I just installed DX GOTY Edition and find that if you hand-edit the deusex.ini you can set it to a reasonable video configuration (1920x1200x32 in my case) and the game runs okay.  They models and textures are low-resolution, but the gameplay still works, and I had forgotten all about the whole hiding in the shadows thing.

Are there any high-res / better textures / better models mods that are decent and known to not break anything?  I'd love some better textures, but don't want to find out partway through that the game is hosed because of it...

I just finished the game. I've been awake 23 hours to do so.

Goddamm. Goddamm. God. Damm.


That was GREAT!

Make sure you stay for after the credits- it's hilarious if you ever played the original.

I've heard good things about the New Vision (http://www.moddb.com/mods/deus-ex-new-vision) mod that just got released a few weeks back.

Good job. Now, start over and do it all again. :grin:

There are (I believe) twenty-five unlisted achievements. (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/deus-ex-human-revolution/achievements/)  A lot of them you'll pick up indidentally (the "killed boss x" achievements are hidden) but a lot of them are for beating the side quests in a certain way. 

And yeah, they annoy me.  Especially in games like this where you can't go back and pick them up.  ESPECIALLY especially for stuff like the Foxhound achievement or Pacifist where you have to play through the ENTIRE GAME without any way to tell if you're still eligible.  I like them in games like Arkham Asylum or Fable where they give me something to do with my max level character aside from just beat the game, but here they're kind of annoying.

Easiest solution: give no fucks about achievements.

That.

I've just started a take-no-prisoners psycho killer playthrough on Hard. I need to figure out how to get some frag mines. I want to create an improvised claymore out of indestructible crates/barrels and frag mines, then lure a crowd of dudes into it.

I love the game so far. I've now finished the transmitter quest and done all of the side quests that you get so far.

My only gripe is that I cannot buy additional praxis-kits (the LIMB-Clinic only stocks 2) so I have no real use for the 20.000 credits I own so far. If you go secret-hunting and scavenging you don't really need to buy weapons or upgrades anyway.

Nice little anecdote: I took down one of the two vendors in detroit (the one who lives in an apartment downtown) because I confused him with an enemy. Realized it only after I couldn't go back :-(

Nice that the game let me do it. Not nice that I now have only one vendor to buy stuff from.

They really sweated the details in this game. Each hack is a unique configuration of nodes, each takedown has a slightly different animation (the double takedown ones are especially  :awesome_for_real:) You can eavesdrop on a lot of conversations and the emails are  :awesome_for_real:)

The game has it#s flaws but nothing significant enough to warrant any sort of rant (well except my general gripe with achievements)

Do this, then fraps it, in 60fps.

I just realized you can blow up or shoot down locked doors.

Yeah, it is really annoying that you have no idea whats going on until you are done.  I already restarted my game (wasn't far in) last night because I read that killing guys in the opening scene disqualifies you which I had never even thought of for some reason.  :uhrr:

*edit* Well that and I quickly realized the first augmentation I bought was crap and horribly spent points.

That's always been an option in Deus Ex games.  I always used the dragon's tooth plus high melee skill in the first game as a universal lockpick.  But given the rewards of hacking, blowing doors open is a less-optimal method.

Unless that one works different than all the other preorder weapons, it won't be there for people who didn't preorder. The weapons/items are automatically removed from all locations or replaced with regular weapons if they are not enabled for your game.

If it's where I think you mean then it's replaced with a Tranq Rifle for non pre-orderers.

Things I would have appreciated knowing earlier:

You can disarm mines by crouch-walking up to them slowly, just make sure you are on the slower movement setting (capslock is the default toggle I think)

Nuke Viruses and Stop Worms are pretty common, especially if you make sure to clear all the caches on each hack game. I have about 50 of each spare, and the only place they are really handy is on level 5 hacks where the trace can rip through fortified nodes crazily fast.


Is it the same size as the normal sniper rifle, or the tranq rifle? The normal sniper rifle is stupidly big, I'm glad I got rid of it, especially since I have my hand cannon now.

Managed to save Malik, which was really satisfying. Took a lot of tries, but was worth it.
I did it by
Also, a DLC where you play as Zelazny would be pretty damn awesome I think.

SPOILERS FOR GOD'S SAKE.  Now I know I have to save SOMEONE. 

Jerk.

And now I can punch through walls.

And I wonder why this wasn't the first thing I got.

Which is what happens after I take ANY new Aug.

Damn, damn, damn fine game thus far.  Jesus, I should have finished it by now, but it just keeps on giving.

Regarding the recent "ARG":

http://13311tower.com/

Hmm...

Here's the thread dedicated to the ARG on the official site (unofficial thread):

http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=120594

BTW, I haven't finished the game, I don't think there are spoilers at the above mentioned link, so far.

Shitfuck.  Been playing the hardest mode without being spotted or killing but I know I screwed up in the tutorial section. 

Sorry

Just beat it.

Major spoilers, kill yourself if you click, don't want to know, and get mad at me.