Schilling's Green Monster Games

[schild]

He failed through a mix of arrogance and incompetence. He didn't profit from the whole thing. Very much the opposite. No scam.

The government wastes money on bad calls all the time. For example, I remember reading a story where the government spent $76m one year to round up and stable wild horses in the midwest. They were supposed to be resold at a profit for work and recreation but ended up being sold (for animal feed and glue, most likely) at $10/head. Just a bad call, they wanted to control the horse population and didn't plan it out correctly. Does that enrage you too? Where's the thread?

This is a gaming website. That thread is probably on bodybuilders.com or some shit. This wasn't a "government" bad call. This was a scam based on the popularity of the person running it. Whether he was too stupid and full of hubris to realize that doesn't excuse his behavior.

Edit: Sorry for responding to you twice in two different posts. Also, not sorry. Also also, just because a scam fails doesn't mean it wasn't a scam. It just means the person was as stupid as a baseball player.

[sam, an eggplant]

A scammer would have taken the money and fled to Panama. He failed, that's all. Anyway, carry on.

[schild]

A smart scammer would have.

[HaemishM]

He didn't profit from the whole thing.

The $75 million his business pissed away, including however much he got as a salary during that time, disagrees with this statement. As does fucking reality.

[sam, an eggplant]

Schilling never took a salary, spent $50m of his own money, and ended up bankrupt. So, no.

The guy is a huge failure. I feel sorry for him, and hope others learn a lesson from his hubris. I just don't see any reason to pile on a dude already in the gutter.

[Trippy]

They can't keep Pete out forever. Assuming the game goes on for another 100 years or something, eventually all the old idiots will die off, and new generations will question why the hell the guy with the most hits ever isn't in the Hall of Fame.

Cause he fucking bet on his team while a manager?

Doesn't even come close to a good reason.

By the time he gets in, I believe legalized sports gambling will be nation-wide. It's too big of a business. And he'll get in.

Won't matter even if that happens (sports gambling legalized nation-wide). The major professional sports still won't allow players, coaches, staff, etc. to bet on their own games.

[Ingmar]

If there was ever any evidence that he was trying to throw games or something, that would be one thing. The guy only ever bet on his own team to win, though, iirc, which I find hard to care about.

[Rendakor]

Yea I don't see why it should be wrong to be that your team is going to win.

[Ingmar]

Adding a little more, I also think there's some nuance there in terms of what exactly his punishment should be. Probably shouldn't hire him to work on a baseball team, for example, but I don't really think using the HOF as a stick to punish people for stuff like that does anything but make the Hall a worse museum for baseball.

[Trippy]

He didn't bet on every game they played and he didn't bet the same amount on every game he did bet on. But even if he did both of those things it's still wrong.

[Paelos]

He didn't bet on every game they played and he didn't bet the same amount on every game he did bet on. But even if he did both of those things it's still wrong.

My point is your disagreement is going to be the minority by the time he's dead or in 50-100 years. Either way. Plus the story will get less and less traction as they never proved he bet against his own guys.

He's not Shoeless Joe. He's never admitted to throwing games.

[WayAbvPar]

He didn't bet on every game they played and he didn't bet the same amount on every game he did bet on. But even if he did both of those things it's still wrong.

By betting on the games (even if he bet only to win), he is in a position to influence the games. Leave a pitcher in longer than normal to try for a win, or play someone with a nagging injury instead of resting them. There are myriad things a manager could do to win one game that would be detrimental long term to his team.

If they ever legalize it, I would love to see a cocky player or manager take a percentage of his salary in win tickets for every game 

[Rendakor]

As someone who doesn't really watch baseball (or many sports), the notion that the team isn't always trying to win blows my mind.

[Nija]

When you are gambling there are many, many different ways to win.

[angry.bob]

If there was ever any evidence that he was trying to throw games or something, that would be one thing. The guy only ever bet on his own team to win, though, iirc, which I find hard to care about.

This may be the only thing we ever agree on in this subforum, but I feel the same way. Even if there are things that he can do to win one particular game that may hurt his team long term that goes more towards his overall job performance. I see that as more an issue between him and the owner than anything else.

[Lantyssa]

The world can end now, because I agree with Ingmar and bob.

[Goreschach]

If we were talking about stock trading, this would definitely be insider info, and thus kindof not a good thing. The strange thing, however, is that the baseball league themselves actually care about this. It's incredibly stretched to assume that this would have any downfalls for them. If anything, it's the people running the bets that should be calling foul, since he'd be at a clear advantage in predicting outcomes. But caveat people taking illegal sports wagers, I guess.

[UnSub]

Schilling popped up on Cracked as a celebrity who tweeted insane things while also appearing in an article about worst game company collapses in the same week.

Anyway, back to your discussion about baseball on a MMO forum (and who says MMOs are a dead scene?) ...

[IainC]

Does sports betting in the US allow specific bets like in Europe - for example, betting that a team will win by a specific margin or that the first goal/whaterver will be scored by a particular player? If so then I can see why a manager betting on his own team would be problematic even without issues like collusion etc.

[Malakili]

Does sports betting in the US allow specific bets like in Europe - for example, betting that a team will win by a specific margin or that the first goal/whaterver will be scored by a particular player? If so then I can see why a manager betting on his own team would be problematic even without issues like collusion etc.

Betting laws vary by state.

[Count Nerfedalot]

Schilling never took a salary, spent $50m of his own money, and ended up bankrupt. So, no.

The guy is a huge failure. I feel sorry for him, and hope others learn a lesson from his hubris. I just don't see any reason to pile on a dude already in the gutter.

Because he's a hypocritical bastard? Because he's an unrepentant dick who blames everyone else for his failure except himself? Because he defrauded and lied to many of those talented developers he supposedly was such a benefactor of, to the tune of lost mortgages, lost insurance with years of debt ensuing, families yanked up and moved around the country for no good reason, and ruined finances for years?

Sorry for the late response, but really? You're ragging on people for dumping on an entitled, self justified, arrogant, selfish asshole who most certainly deserves to be dumped on if anyone in this world does?  Even bankrupt the man (and his family for that matter) still have FAR more assets and privilege than those poor schmucks he conned into working for him, or for the vast majority of the citizens of Rhode Island who he defrauded.

[Paelos]

Does sports betting in the US allow specific bets like in Europe - for example, betting that a team will win by a specific margin or that the first goal/whaterver will be scored by a particular player? If so then I can see why a manager betting on his own team would be problematic even without issues like collusion etc.

Yes. In baseball you have the standard winning money lines, then you have adjusted lines with various odds that go from 1.5 runs up to 3.5 runs. There's very few prop bets on baseball usually until the playoffs.

Either way if you're betting on your team, you are going to want them to score more runs regardless.

[Paelos]

Because he's a hypocritical bastard? Because he's an unrepentant dick who blames everyone else for his failure except himself? Because he defrauded and lied to many of those talented developers he supposedly was such a benefactor of, to the tune of lost mortgages, lost insurance with years of debt ensuing, families yanked up and moved around the country for no good reason, and ruined finances for years?

Sorry for the late response, but really? You're ragging on people for dumping on an entitled, self justified, arrogant, selfish asshole who most certainly deserves to be dumped on if anyone in this world does?  Even bankrupt the man (and his family for that matter) still have FAR more assets and privilege than those poor schmucks he conned into working for him, or for the vast majority of the citizens of Rhode Island who he defrauded.

Woah woah woah, when things go bad they don't wrap up in a tidy fucking bow and everyone walks away high-fiving. It's always a mess, and this was no exception. Curt fully admitted that his team didn't deliver and that the blame fell on him as the CEO of the company, where he blamed other people was on the State of Rhode Island, and he had a legit beef there with their unrealistic program in place. Did he take the money? Yes. But was that ever going to work under those guidelines? Hell no.

Where are you getting the idea he blames everyone but himself. He specifically blamed himself. He's not the only one to blame though. Rhode Island had a huge hand in why this thing went wildly wrong.

"I brought this on myself," Schilling said in a lengthy interview in Kansas City earlier this week. "For the last two years I've had to stand in front of my wife and kids and explain to them, 'I lost $50 million and my company went bankrupt, and it was all my fault.'

"Then I had to stand in front of them and tell them, 'I have cancer because I dipped.'

"They are conversations I wouldn't wish on anyone."

[Malakili]

I think people just have a hard time feeling bad for the giant douche that is Curt Schilling. There really isn't anything more to the story than that, frankly.  His actions fucked over a lot people, and even if he does take responsibility, that is a lot easier to do when you have the earning potential of a guy like him.  Sorry I lost all the money and cost you all your jobs, I too am out millions.  Hold on, ESPN just called and they want me on the 6pm Sportscenter, bye.

[Paelos]

I wonder if the people at Big Huge Games would feel the same way since he bought the Studio and employed them for 3 years.

[WayAbvPar]

Having worked for people who drove a company into the dirt in the past, I can almost guarantee you they fucking loathe him.

[schild]

"I lost 50 million dollars because I didn't listen to those guys on f13"

[schild]

I wonder if the people at Big Huge Games would feel the same way since he bought the Studio and employed them for 3 years.

Those people were lucky they had a job for 3 years.

I'd know.

[rk47]

As someone who doesn't really watch baseball (or many sports), the notion that the team isn't always trying to win blows my mind.

You're a manager of a small team.
Your team is barely keeping their win/lose ratio 1 to 1...
Out came an offer from a top 3 team fighting for championship position.
They want you to throw that final home game away to their side, so they have a clear shot to the top.
Your side have nothing to aim for, having achieved neither mediocrity or brilliance. You'd finish the same position regardless of the outcome of the game.
And the opponent is offering a great $50 steam game gift if you accept.
What would RK47 do?

[Nija]

When Twitter trolls began posting obscene, sexually explicit comments about his teenage daughter, former MLB pitcher Curt Schilling responded by recording their comments and gathering personal information readily available to the public. He then doxxed two of them on his blog, resulting in one being suspended from his community college and the other being fired from his part-time job as a ticket seller for the New York Yankees.

https://38pitches.wordpress.com/2015/03/01/the-world-we-live-in-man-has-it-changed/

[taolurker]

Just so I know, has Curt become the kind of figure like Serek Dmart who we attempt to summon by saying his name three times?

[Paelos]

When Twitter trolls began posting obscene, sexually explicit comments about his teenage daughter, former MLB pitcher Curt Schilling responded by recording their comments and gathering personal information readily available to the public. He then doxxed two of them on his blog, resulting in one being suspended from his community college and the other being fired from his part-time job as a ticket seller for the New York Yankees.

https://38pitches.wordpress.com/2015/03/01/the-world-we-live-in-man-has-it-changed/

I read the shit they posted about his daughter. Those assholes deserve everything they got.

[Merusk]

Just so I know, has Curt become the kind of figure like Serek Dmart who we attempt to summon by saying his name three times?

No, he only ever posted here and elsewhere to promote his game and wouldn't respond to comments.

[Pennilenko]

I read the shit they posted about his daughter. Those assholes deserve everything they got.

I agree with you and I have no problem with what he did on his blog. If my son were to ever make any comments like that about any female person, and I found out, he would regret it for the rest of his life.

[Malakili]

Heard this on the radio yesterday. Seems like, essentially, rape threats against his daughter.  That's not just being a jackass on the internet, it's a crime.  Doubly so because she is a minor.