Schilling's Green Monster Games

[Ingmar]

John Smoltz had a much longer, much more consistently impressive body of work than Schilling, who was really only "great" for what... 5-6 years? Smoltz spent multiple years saving games before going back to starting and was still pretty damn good when he did that. Schilling has a few World Series Rings and a bloody sock. Fuck him.

Probably not a topic for this thread but more for the Sports forum, but IMO Schilling's statistical case for the Hall is stronger than Smoltz's by a good margin. Even if he's a shitweasel, there are plenty of other shitweasels in the Hall.

[Montague]

John Smoltz had a much longer, much more consistently impressive body of work than Schilling, who was really only "great" for what... 5-6 years? Smoltz spent multiple years saving games before going back to starting and was still pretty damn good when he did that. Schilling has a few World Series Rings and a bloody sock. Fuck him.

Probably not a topic for this thread but more for the Sports forum, but IMO Schilling's statistical case for the Hall is stronger than Smoltz's by a good margin. Even if he's a shitweasel, there are plenty of other shitweasels in the Hall.

Just perusing the stats they look very comparable. Wins and strikeouts about the same, Smoltz has a lower ERA, Schilling has fewer walks and a slightly lower WHIP.

[Trippy]

Schilling was crazy-good in the postseason.

[Tannhauser]

How can he fit into the Hall of Fame carrying that cross on his back.

[Rendakor]

Curt Schilling: How Is This Still A Thing?

[Paelos]

John Smoltz had a much longer, much more consistently impressive body of work than Schilling, who was really only "great" for what... 5-6 years? Smoltz spent multiple years saving games before going back to starting and was still pretty damn good when he did that. Schilling has a few World Series Rings and a bloody sock. Fuck him.

LOL Smoltz is a democrat? He'd be shocked to learn that Curt.

Also Smoltz will likely be the last person ever to win 200 games and get 150 saves. That's HOF worthy in my book.

[Ingmar]

Counting the saves as something special is essentially giving him extra credit for getting injured. Any top tier starter could have success as a closer.

[Abagadro]

Schilling isn't in because everyone knows he was on PED but just didn't get caught.

[schild]

Schilling isn't in due to him being the moron dickhead we know now - which allows us to assume he was a moron dickhead then. Being a republican is just total icing on the moron, uneducated dumbass cake.

Edit: I'm in the "If Pete Rose can't be in the hall of fame, fuck all these other dickheads" camp.

[Ginaz]

Schilling isn't in due to him being the moron dickhead we know now - which allows us to assume he was a moron dickhead then. Being a republican is just total icing on the moron, uneducated dumbass cake.

Edit: I'm in the "If Pete Rose can't be in the hall of fame, fuck all these other dickheads" camp.

Pete Rose will get in...after he dies.  MLB wouldn't want him profiting on his HoF status.

[Paelos]

Counting the saves as something special is essentially giving him extra credit for getting injured. Any top tier starter could have success as a closer.

The important people disagree with you.

[Merusk]

Schilling isn't in due to him being the moron dickhead we know now - which allows us to assume he was a moron dickhead then. Being a republican is just total icing on the moron, uneducated dumbass cake.

Edit: I'm in the "If Pete Rose can't be in the hall of fame, fuck all these other dickheads" camp.

Pete Rose will get in...after he Bud Selig and his cronies all die.

FTFY.  Selig hates Rose as much as he hated Schott. So long as his shadow is there, Rose is out.

[Trippy]

Pete Rose will never get in.

[schild]

And Pete Rose is far less the shitheel that Curt is, ipso facto Curt has no business in the HoF.

[Trippy]

Maybe, maybe not. But Curt never bet on baseball during his career, as far as anyone knows.

[rattran]

How many of the HoF electors are tax-payers in Rhode Island? That may be a bigger obstacle than his other asshattery.

[Nebu]

Pete Rose will never get in.

Pete should be in.  The HoF is about how well you played the game, not what kind of role model you were.  Hello Ty Cobb... I'm looking at you. 

[Paelos]

They can't keep Pete out forever. Assuming the game goes on for another 100 years or something, eventually all the old idiots will die off, and new generations will question why the hell the guy with the most hits ever isn't in the Hall of Fame.

[schild]

Pete Rose will never get in.

Pete should be in.  The HoF is about how well you played the game, not what kind of role model you were.  Hello Ty Cobb... I'm looking at you. 

Baseball doesn't produce role models. So, yeah.

[Trippy]

They can't keep Pete out forever. Assuming the game goes on for another 100 years or something, eventually all the old idiots will die off, and new generations will question why the hell the guy with the most hits ever isn't in the Hall of Fame.

Cause he fucking bet on his team while a manager?

[schild]

They can't keep Pete out forever. Assuming the game goes on for another 100 years or something, eventually all the old idiots will die off, and new generations will question why the hell the guy with the most hits ever isn't in the Hall of Fame.

Cause he fucking bet on his team while a manager?

Doesn't even come close to a good reason.

[Goreschach]

Schilling's an all right guy. He's outspoken without being a complete douchebag. He's also got nerves of steel.

Schilling is amazing.

Schilling is one of the really good guys in sports, to be honest.

Shilling is a classy guy and one of those "hero" type people that you want your kids looking up to instead of the general douchebags that tend to be highly visible like Terrell Owens. It's too bad that people like him are the exception rather than the rule.

Curt Schilling is a smart guy

 

[schild]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_burn_centers_in_the_United_States

[Draegan]

HA and HA

[HaemishM]

Yeah, all those things including my comments were said before Schilling really started talking about anything other than loving to play EQ. That comment is now over 8 years old. We have a whole list of failures, stupidity and fucktardery to crystallize our opinion these days. It may shock you to know that at one time, I was a Barry Bonds fan. That balloon-headed fuck can get staked on an anthill slathered in honey for all I care now. Same goes for Sammy Sosa, who I cheered A LOT because he was a Cub.

tldr Sports heroes very rarely live up to the praise they get.

[schild]

Yeah, all those things including my comments were said before Schilling really started talking about anything other than loving to play EQ. That comment is now over 8 years old. We have a whole list of failures, stupidity and fucktardery to crystallize our opinion these days. It may shock you to know that at one time, I was a Barry Bonds fan. That balloon-headed fuck can get staked on an anthill slathered in honey for all I care now. Same goes for Sammy Sosa, who I cheered A LOT because he was a Cub.

tldr Sports heroes very rarely live up to the praise they get.

I was shitting on him from day 1, you have no excuse.

I am not a PVP fan, but PVP represents a passionate hard core group of players so we'll not only have it but it will be a thoroughly fleshed out and meaningful system. Not to mention fun as hell (or as fun as ganking other people can be!)

Little early to be making anything vaguely resembling a promise. :)

[schild]

In fact - game set match.

38 Studios is an unusual company.

You're telling me.

First, RA Salvatore. A burnt out sci-fi/fantasy writer.
Second, Todd McFarlane, the american equivilent of Akira Toriyama - except his games don't sell like, well, Toriyama stuff.
Finally, the UE3 engine: A engine so buried under the ire of being incomplete that I didn't think anyone else would pick it up - let alone a company making an MMORPG.

Does anyone else think Mr. Schillings money is better spent elsewhere? Or am I lost in some fantasyland where this is all COMPLETELY REASONABLE?

[HaemishM]

I was shitting on him from day 1, you have no excuse.

Hey, I probably would have gotten suckered into investing in GMG if I'd been in the position to do so at the time because I like sports heroes. I wouldn't have signed off on the shitty sweetheart loan deal Rhode Island gave him but I was hoping the game would be good and that he was a decent guy. I was wrong.

[Malakili]

Yeah, sports stars are good at sports.  There is no reason to believe they can do anything else right.

[sam, an eggplant]

Well, he employed a bunch of very talented and deserving guys from Big Huge Games for a couple of years which resulted in Amalur, an ultimately flawed and way too long but still quite enjoyable CRPG. That's a plus.

Schilling is a shitty businessman who was ill-equipped to run a dev house for an iOS F2P game much less a AAA+ MMO. He had no experience doing anything but playing baseball. Oh, and many of us disagree with his politics. I guess I just don't see where the hate came from. He's no Brad McQuaid-- he wasn't in a downward spiral of narcotics addiction. He didn't pay himself a huge salary and throw lavish parties with N'sync singing at his daughter's sweet 16 with taxpayer money. He's a guy who loved MMOs and was lucky enough to have the means, and ballsy enough to have the will, to make one himself. He utterly failed in the most public embarrassing way possible, and ended up bankrupt, famously auctioning off that bloody sock.

You're kicking the guy when he's already down. It's unsportsmanlike.

[Malakili]

Well, you know, effectively scamming the taxpayers out of millions earns the ire of some people.

[HaemishM]

Well, you know, effectively scamming the taxpayers out of millions earns the ire of some people.

Yeah, this. He used his notoriety as a sports star to get the state of Rhode Island to guarantee $75 million in business loans under a Republican governor that are now attached to that state like a fucking cancer, funding a move from Massachusetts that his business didn't need to make. All while decrying things like welfare as "entitlement programs for moochers" and shit. He had no trouble shitting on people who are down on their luck for wanting government assistance while getting government assistance himself.

Fuck him and his sock.

[Paelos]

They can't keep Pete out forever. Assuming the game goes on for another 100 years or something, eventually all the old idiots will die off, and new generations will question why the hell the guy with the most hits ever isn't in the Hall of Fame.

Cause he fucking bet on his team while a manager?

Doesn't even come close to a good reason.

By the time he gets in, I believe legalized sports gambling will be nation-wide. It's too big of a business. And he'll get in.

[sam, an eggplant]

He failed through a mix of arrogance and incompetence. He didn't profit from the whole thing. Very much the opposite. No scam.

The government wastes money on bad calls all the time. For example, I remember reading a story where the government spent $76m one year to round up and stable wild horses in the midwest. They were supposed to be resold at a profit for work and recreation but ended up being sold (for animal feed and glue, most likely) at $10/head. Just a bad call, they wanted to control the horse population and didn't plan it out correctly. Does that enrage you too? Where's the thread?

[schild]

Well, he employed a bunch of very talented and deserving guys from Big Huge Games for a couple of years which resulted in Amalur, an ultimately flawed and way too long but still quite enjoyable CRPG. That's a plus.

Schilling is a shitty businessman who was ill-equipped to run a dev house for an iOS F2P game much less a AAA+ MMO. He had no experience doing anything but playing baseball. Oh, and many of us disagree with his politics. I guess I just don't see where the hate came from. He's no Brad McQuaid-- he wasn't in a downward spiral of narcotics addiction. He didn't pay himself a huge salary and throw lavish parties with N'sync singing at his daughter's sweet 16 with taxpayer money. He's a guy who loved MMOs and was lucky enough to have the means, and ballsy enough to have the will, to make one himself. He utterly failed in the most public embarrassing way possible, and ended up bankrupt, famously auctioning off that bloody sock.

You're kicking the guy when he's already down. It's unsportsmanlike.

lol fuck sports