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Reply #70 on: January 15, 2019, 11:06:10 AM

I'm always happy to see him pop up in something I'm watching, and the guy has gotten to do smaller roles in movies by Scorsese, Villeneuve, and Edgar Wright so there's that at least.
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Reply #71 on: January 20, 2019, 04:54:48 PM

Really liked the introduction of pilgrim and the miniarc in the middle of flyoverland. But the way the gang all get back together and Russo/Jigsaw gets put in the same place as Frank.... yeah, that crunched some gears.

Also, where I am in the show, Frank's hand has stayed broken for something like 24 hours! OTOH getting shot in the ass was healed in around 12 hours, so maybe the wolverine thing now only supports certain body parts idk.

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Reply #72 on: January 21, 2019, 11:00:29 PM

This was fun but kinda pointless. I didn't hate watching it but they struggled hard to give a point to this season and ultimately decided fuck it there is none. Never has a netflix show tried so hard to go back to the status quo to very little fanfare.

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Reply #73 on: January 22, 2019, 02:55:45 AM

It seems to lack a meaningful arc even if the individual bits are well done. 

Which I don't mind because all the arcs in Netflix marvel are pretty mediocre (except maybe Jessica Jones).


Other thoughts, they really pushed the violence, this would have been better set outside of new York purely for sake of variety, and Jigsaw is worst example of 'Hollywood ugly' ever.

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Reply #74 on: January 22, 2019, 03:57:04 AM

Am I a horrible person for loving the women in the first episode being allowed to fight and get punched ?  For being just as mean and knifey as all the blokes ?

'Cause I loved it quite a bit.


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Reply #75 on: January 22, 2019, 01:35:05 PM

There have been a few marvel netflixs where I've noticed that. They've had women getting punched by goodies and manage to film it so it doesn't seem problematic.

Nothing quite as full on as that though.

I think in part because the action is so well shot - it manages to avoid glamourising somehow.

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Reply #76 on: January 22, 2019, 01:46:02 PM

Yeah, those women weren't "sexy fighting" like a Black Widow type or any femme fatale female villains, they were thugs like the men.

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Reply #77 on: January 22, 2019, 02:27:10 PM

Yup.

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Reply #78 on: January 29, 2019, 05:59:24 AM

I was wondering the same thing.  My own opinion was that they filmed it in such a way that they would have if it were a bunch of dudes, and that was a wise move.  Punisher cares about good and bad, not man and woman.

I liked Billy Russo, and also the actor that plays him, but yeah, he wasn't nearly ugly enough.  But then I thought, maybe that was the point...someone so in love with himself would be utterly destroyed by even that much damage to his good looks.

Overall, hard for me not to like this quite a lot, given my Bernthal platonic man-crush.  I don't need complex and nuanced story-telling in my ultra violent Punisher tv show.  Rather liked the last 10 minutes or so as well, good place to leave things in the likely event that it will get killed by Netflix.

Also, for the record - Agent Madani is stupid gorgeous.

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Reply #79 on: January 29, 2019, 06:17:52 AM

This is known.

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Reply #80 on: January 29, 2019, 08:52:53 AM

While at a friend's wedding this weekend, I got to meet a woman who worked as a stunt extra in one episode.  She had nothing but nice things to say about working with Bernthal.
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Reply #81 on: January 29, 2019, 12:56:08 PM

I liked Billy Russo, and also the actor that plays him, but yeah, he wasn't nearly ugly enough.  But then I thought, maybe that was the point...someone so in love with himself would be utterly destroyed by even that much damage to his good looks.

Yeah, but the thing is what Castle did to him should have left him seriously fucked, way worse than what he was. My brother had a worse scar just from falling on his face while drunk, and a few laser treatments got rid of like 90% of that.

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Reply #82 on: January 30, 2019, 12:32:40 AM

I know.  But that was the internal dialogue I had with myself to accept it and move on.  Shit, the beatings Frank took on a daily basis, only to be fit for fight time and time again? 

I check my disbelief at the door whenever watching superhero stuff.  It works well.

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Reply #83 on: February 18, 2019, 11:25:35 AM

Just finished watching season 2 a couple days ago. Overall I thought it was a really good season.

Also Netflix canceled both Punisher and Jessica Jones (season 3 will air though, date tbd).
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Reply #84 on: February 18, 2019, 12:37:28 PM

...Also Netflix canceled both Punisher and Jessica Jones (season 3 will air though, date tbd).
However, Loeb is making it pretty clear the intent is to see these characters return in the not too distant future, although it will require a 2 year break for most of them... perhaps not the Punisher. 

https://www.marvel.com/articles/tv-shows/a-letter-to-marvel-television-fans-from-jeph-loeb?linkId=63749654

My bet: Without the showrunners for these shows returning, they'll take them in a bit of a different direction.  Heroes for Hire will return 104 weeks after Luke Cage ended, with a short season (or half season) that is followed up by a second half of the season 6 months later that adds Jessica Jones.  Both Punisher and Daredevil will return as their own shows.  I don't now if it will all be on Hulu, mixed on different platfrms, or what... but it seems likely (perhaps with some recasting required for people that get other gigs or should never have had a role i the first place).

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Reply #85 on: February 19, 2019, 02:58:36 AM

If I was Disney and I'd just say fuck it and do a whole new version.

They need to stop giving so many fucks about continuity.

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Reply #86 on: February 19, 2019, 03:08:15 AM

It was basically a given that Netflix would lose most if not all Marvel properties once Disney had its own streaming service ready.
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Reply #87 on: February 19, 2019, 03:11:25 AM

If I was Disney and I'd just say fuck it and do a whole new version.

They need to stop giving so many fucks about continuity.

I feel like if someone were to come to Feige with what he felt was a great take on any of the characters previously used by Marvel TV, he'd be more than happy to ignore all of the TV continuity and I can't see Disney saying no to him.
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Reply #88 on: February 19, 2019, 04:05:03 AM

One of the reasons why Feige's Marvel Studios are successful and Disney's Star Wars properties aren't is that Feige is a stickler for continuity. The whole Marvel multiverse is an attempt to have the cake and eat it too by committing to in-universe continuity and then to do different takes an characters and settings by spinning it off into another one of the infinite earths. They only redesign when a comic run ends.

I don't expect him to scrap continuity inside one of the Marvel universes at least as long as the current Phase of Marvel content is not completed (so at least until after Avengers: Endgame, when they have to anyway what with all of the actors leaving)

There's also the risk of attracting the ire of the same mob of basement dwelling neckbeards that are all over Disney for "disrespecting" the lore and characters of Star Wars and Feige knows his fandom, he has been doing this for far too long not to.

Going forward I expect a lot more Disney properties to vanish from competing streaming services in order for Disney to use them on Disney+
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Reply #89 on: February 20, 2019, 09:09:03 AM

All that being said about continuity, remember the the omics only heed continuity to an extent.  If someone decides the Hulk is a mystical being rather than a science fiction story, we suddenly get a retcon and the Hulk is a manifestation of the devil.

I could see them rebooting Tony Stark by having him modify extremis to make him young.   I could see them doing a Daredevil movie where a newly cast actor tells a non-origin story of Matt Murdock with little more than a nod to the TV series.  I could see them doing a Luke Cage / Jessica Jones / Squirrel Girl movie where the three of them ... no, wait.  That was a porn parody. 

In other words, just as with the comics, continuity is a tool, not a leash.

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Reply #90 on: February 20, 2019, 11:39:04 AM

Hell there was one story where the Punisher became a Holy Avenger for Heaven complete with Holy Guns for slaying Demons. They instantly dropped it the next issue.

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