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calapine
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Restoration is a perfectly valid school of magic!
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Ironwood
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Film was fucking awesome, all the way through.
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Abagadro
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So seeing the ending scene with Darth and Carrie dying reminds me of the most vivid dream I have ever had in my life. It was 37 some odd years ago but I still remember it. I was one of the dudes in a helmet that sets up on the Tantive IV right before the troopers burn through the door. I survive the initial engagement and duck behind a door into another room off the main hallway, suddenly Vader enters the doorway and looms over me. I take aim with my blaster and all that comes out is one of those little suction cup darts. It goes plonk and sticks to Vader right in the eye of his helmet. I have a momentary flash of furious anger at my little brother (that I don't actually have) for switching out my blaster with his dart gun followed by Vader taking his light saber and bringing it down on me. I woke up just as he hits me with it.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
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Cyrrex
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Your fake little brother's a dick.
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Abagadro
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
-H.L. Mencken
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calapine
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Perfectly normal dream. For a 12 year old.
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Abagadro
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The other one I remember from around that exact same time period was being chased through my house by a T-Rex and waking up right as he was about to eat me. Paging Carl Jung, Dr. Jung to the thread please.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
-H.L. Mencken
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Wonder if that's the same T-Rex that used to chase me, too. I had recurring childhood dreams of being chased by him while trying to run away in slow motion.
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Hutch
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I wonder if this is how the Pixar guys thought up Monsters Inc. "When I was a child, I dreamed of a furry green troll lurking in my bedroom closet.' "Hey me too!" "Go Picture!"
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I had a recurring dream of getting into lightsaber fights with a jawa in the playground of my elementary school.
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Tuned in, immediately get to watch cringey Ubisoft talking head offering her deepest sympathies to the families impacted by the Orlando shooting while flanked by a man in a giraffe suit and some sort of "horrifically garish neon costumes through the ages" exhibit or something. We need to stop this fucking planet right now and sort some shit out. -Kail
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Threash
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I dreamt my parents were evil wizards and i was the only one who could stop their evil wizard plot.
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I am the .00000001428%
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Brolan
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I dreamt my parents were evil wizards and i was the only one who could stop their evil wizard plot.
This is real, they cast a spell to make you think it was a dream. YOU MUST STOP THEM!!!!!!!
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Shannow
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Stay on target..
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When I was a kid I had an awesome series of dreams that revolved around me having a pet anklyosaurus. I still have occasional dreams where I can sort of fly. By which I mean I'll dream that I'm walking along and then all of a sudden my feet don't touch the ground and I'm hovering on some kind of upwards force - like there are really strong magnets in my shoes that are being repelled by equally strong magnets in the ground. If I'm careful I can carry on walking like that, just off the floor.
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calapine
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When I was a kid I had an awesome series of dreams that revolved around me having a pet anklyosaurus. I still have occasional dreams where I can sort of fly. By which I mean I'll dream that I'm walking along and then all of a sudden my feet don't touch the ground and I'm hovering on some kind of upwards force - like there are really strong magnets in my shoes that are being repelled by equally strong magnets in the ground. If I'm careful I can carry on walking like that, just off the floor.
Look, no one cares about your shitty dreams. This is the Rogue One thread!
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Abagadro
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
-H.L. Mencken
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Brolan
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I thought it was a serviceable movie, but something was missing that I couldn't put my finger on. At least until I saw the brief Plinkett You Tube video. It's amazing how he can illustrate the exact problems with the more recent SW movies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJgfxlgUIZY
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TheWalrus
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Jesus fuck, that's an awful review. I mean, I suppose it's great if you mainly trade in cynical hate of everything, but other than that, what worthless shite.
If you come into this film not knowing any Star Wars background, yeah, you're gonna be fucking lost. Also, I have no sympathy for you. Enjoy your splosions and shut the fuck up. The rest of us know what the Force is, and who the bad guy was, and if we were paying even the slightest attention to the movie in between our damn kids getting up to go to the bathroom, and losing their 3d glasses when they came back, we even understood the power dynamic between them all.
Sorry fat toothless fuck didn't like the characters. I loved em. They weren't larger than life heroes, because they weren't meant to be. This was the first war film I can remember that showed the people who got shit done and got no mention in history. Sure, everyone remembers Leia, she got captured and rescued! And the guys that rescued her? Awesome! Dude even has a giant bear for a friend! Neato! But none of that would matter a whit if it weren't for the nameless dead who brought the plans out. The Rebellion would have been absolutely smashed. And I thought for the time that we had in the movie to do character development, that they did damn well, with the minor gripe about Saw being fucking worthless as far as giving a damn goes. He was a tool to move plot. Fine. Grr.
Sorry some folks aren't going to like it. Not everybody is going to like everything. I thought it was the best Star Wars show, or at least tied for first, and I'll be buying that bitch the day it comes out.
Also, dude was wrong and I hate him now.
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Abagadro
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Heh. I enjoyed the movie but think Mike is absolutely right in assessing it as a film (which is what he is talking about here). It's 100% dependent on exogenous info to make any sense or have any resonance whatsoever.
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HaemishM
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Or in another words, it's a sequel/prequel?
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Abagadro
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I think it is more than that. There is usually at least some short-hand establishment dialogue to at least establish a lot of that. Thinking about RoTJ or FA (both of which I have watched in the last two week), there is TONS of dialogue that sets up prior relationships/plot points on how they got to where they are. R1 had none of that at all.
I walked out of Rogue One (which again, I enjoyed) and other than Jyn (since they said the name so much) or prior characters I knew from other films, I couldn't tell you a single new character's name (had to look them up later) and none of them had any backstory whatsoever. You know more about Ben Kenobi after 3 minutes of SW than you know about any of the R1 characters after the whole movie.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
-H.L. Mencken
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Heh. I enjoyed the movie but think Mike is absolutely right in assessing it as a film (which is what he is talking about here). It's 100% dependent on exogenous info to make any sense or have any resonance whatsoever.
That's fine but I don't know how helpful it is to examine the movie while putting yourself in the mindset of someone completely unfamiliar with Star Wars. Rogue One does have a lot of problems (lack of characterization being the biggest for me). Some hypothetical viewer not knowing who Darth Vader is or that he can force choke people is far down the list of issues. I can't see spreading 5 additional minutes of exposition in throughout the movie making an improvement. The notion just reminds me of old comic books where every single issue there's a scene where the characters all address each other by name and work in a description of each of their powers at some point.
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eldaec
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Or in another words, it's a sequel/prequel? A better defence is that you can say the same to some degree about all historical fiction. War films generally rely on events that already have meaning to the viewer. When they rely on the viewer understanding that a death star is bad or Darth Vader is scary that's fine. If the referencing squeezes out characters actually in this movie it is bad. I need to watch it at least twice to decide what I think on sonething like this because on a first watch I'm entirely distracted by XWings and ATATs.
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Trippy
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Some hypothetical viewer not knowing who Darth Vader is or that he can force choke people is far down the list of issues. I can't see spreading 5 additional minutes of exposition in throughout the movie making an improvement.
They didn't explain that in the original either.
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Trippy
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Nope, there's even dialog to that effect in the movie.
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Viin
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I got to see this in a tiny theater in a mountain ski resort, but it was good even on crappy chairs.
The best part was the last 5 minutes, and the 15 mins leading up to it. I really like how they tied into Star Wars Ep 4 (which I watched a couple of nights later, worked very well). Everything was great, but I found the robot-as-comic-relief annoying.
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Rasix
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I got to see this finally. Alone, but at least I got to see it.
Really enjoyed it. Well, everything but the CGI'd dead/aged humans. Leia looked like Shrek. Tarkin was OK in some scenes and in others he looked like he was mainlining collagen. The uncanny valley is strong.
It was nice going in knowing nothing more than the end point of the story, and I thought they handled that very well.
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I got to see this finally. Alone, but at least I got to see it.
Really enjoyed it. Well, everything but the CGI'd dead/aged humans. Leia looked like Shrek. Tarkin was OK in some scenes and in others he looked like he was mainlining collagen. The uncanny valley is strong.
It was nice going in knowing nothing more than the end point of the story, and I thought they handled that very well.
It actually boggles my mind how movies like the Jungle Book and Life of Pi can do CGI animals down to individual hairs that look so realistic you pretty much can't tell where the real animals are in the shots (if there are any at all), yet we still can't manage to do humans that don't somehow trigger the Uncanny Valley detectors.
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I got to see this finally. Alone, but at least I got to see it.
Really enjoyed it. Well, everything but the CGI'd dead/aged humans. Leia looked like Shrek. Tarkin was OK in some scenes and in others he looked like he was mainlining collagen. The uncanny valley is strong.
It was nice going in knowing nothing more than the end point of the story, and I thought they handled that very well.
It actually boggles my mind how movies like the Jungle Book and Life of Pi can do CGI animals down to individual hairs that look so realistic you pretty much can't tell where the real animals are in the shots (if there are any at all), yet we still can't manage to do humans that don't somehow trigger the Uncanny Valley detectors. Because those animals are just as "fake" looking as the humans but it's a lot harder for us to tell since they are completely different species.
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Yep. The life of Pi tiger looked fake to me. However I've spent a not-usual amount of time of my life looking at all kinds of cats.
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I found both Pi and Jungle Book to be films to admire rather than enjoy - precisely because of the soulless uncanny valley cgi.
It wasn't just the animals - the backgrounds all had a horrid, over saturated, bad HDR look with too much too consistent detailing on everything.
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Cyrrex
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I think this thread has also unscientifically proven to me that some people can't be easily fooled, while others have brains that seem to adapt and accept. We already know this has something to do with our primitive instincts and ability to recognize any kind of "wrongness" in human facial patterns. The interesting part to me is how strong the instinct is in some of us, while some of you motherfuckers don't even notice.
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The two CGI characters in this movie looked perfect. Honestly couldn't tell. Life of Pi tiger also looked totally real, and I had assumed it really was (I knew the two Star Wars characters had to be CGI or video edited somehow for obvious reasons).
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Are you sure? Take another look. That doesn't look like anything to me.
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Soulflame
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Tarkin looked okay, but he moved like a video game character. He didn't wobble. He moved sharply. Leia looked horribly hilariously fake. Like that scene was added last minute, and they grabbed some assets from a LucasArts game in lieu of trying to render her better. I enjoyed the movie, although like many others, I couldn't tell you the name of anyone other than Jyn.
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