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Title: Rogue One
Post by: Surlyboi on April 06, 2016, 09:10:00 PM
Teaser for the teaser.

http://youtu.be/MaYv3Y8tyoQ

Izzat a Purge Trooper?


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Merusk on April 07, 2016, 05:32:48 AM
Official Teaser:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wji-BZ0oCwg

Izzat a Purge Trooper?
That's supposedly a Shadow Trooper. Elite forces w/ stealth capability.

I got giddy when I saw the AT-ATs. I've always loved those things, impractical as hell but awesome.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Malakili on April 07, 2016, 06:06:23 AM
Looks great.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Hawkbit on April 07, 2016, 06:47:09 AM
Oh shit, Forest Whitaker. Awesome.

I'm actually more excited about the potential of these side stories than I am the trilogy.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: HaemishM on April 07, 2016, 07:23:32 AM
Looks good. I'm in.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Lucas on April 07, 2016, 08:51:10 AM
Hmm, first impression is that  I really like the color palette and the cinematography in general. I'm definitely in as well.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Soln on April 07, 2016, 09:29:44 AM
Pitch perfect.  Exactly what I was hoping to see. 


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Khaldun on April 07, 2016, 09:47:52 AM
Looks great. Looks like they're willing to make some "darker" SW stories off the main plotline. Great.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Merusk on April 07, 2016, 09:52:55 AM
My stormtrooper build group informs me that those Black Troops are called "Death Troopers" by Disney, not Shadow Troopers. Shadows look like oldschool TK's with black armor rather than that death's-head look.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Special J on April 07, 2016, 10:04:14 AM
I pretty neat so far. A little less Jedi, a little more Rebellion.

And AT-ATs


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: 01101010 on April 07, 2016, 10:19:35 AM
Ben Mendelsohn looks a hell of a lot like a Sir Ian McKellen in the first X-men movie.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: K9 on April 07, 2016, 11:16:16 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/0saZI6F.gif)

Is that Canary Wharf underground station?  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: TheWalrus on April 07, 2016, 12:02:39 PM
Apparently.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Surlyboi on April 07, 2016, 12:20:58 PM
Thought it looked familiar.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on April 07, 2016, 12:47:33 PM
The screen wipe fakeout was sweet.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Mosesandstick on April 07, 2016, 01:10:16 PM
Ha! Brilliant spot K9.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Soulflame on April 07, 2016, 01:32:19 PM
Finally, we will find out how many Bothans died.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Merusk on April 07, 2016, 01:43:38 PM
I keel joo.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Threash on April 07, 2016, 02:29:43 PM
Finally, we will find out how many Bothans died.

There's just gonna be a character called Manny Bothans and they are gonna kill him in like the first five minutes.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Soulflame on April 07, 2016, 02:44:15 PM
That's the movie about how they got the information for the second Death Star anyway...


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Lucas on April 07, 2016, 04:41:01 PM
Teras Kasi master starting at 1:11? That would be cool.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Samwise on April 07, 2016, 05:13:22 PM
Donnie Yen is in this thing?  I'm in.

I hope Alan Tudyk plays a pilot who is basically Wash from Firefly.  Who was basically Han Solo from Star Wars anyway.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Khaldun on April 07, 2016, 05:16:26 PM
Wash does not seem at all like Han Solo to me.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Surlyboi on April 07, 2016, 05:33:16 PM
Finally, we will find out how many Bothans died.

There's just gonna be a character called Manny Bothans and they are gonna kill him in like the first five minutes.

Nope, we won't find out about Manny Bothans. That was Jedi.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Evildrider on April 07, 2016, 05:50:34 PM
Looks great.  I thought Yen was playing a Jedi tho.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Shannow on April 07, 2016, 06:26:28 PM
Take. My. Money.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Samwise on April 07, 2016, 08:02:53 PM
Wash does not seem at all like Han Solo to me.

Cocky quippy pilot of a somewhat run down smuggler spaceship?  Yeah no similarities whatsoever.   :awesome_for_real:  Although I'll grant that Wash is a very dorky version of the trope whereas Han is more suave.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: eldaec on April 07, 2016, 08:04:16 PM
Take. My. Money.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Abagadro on April 07, 2016, 08:20:47 PM
Giggity.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Margalis on April 07, 2016, 09:25:29 PM
Watching most of the trailer I thought the lead chick was supposed to be Leia. That kind of seems cooler to me.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: apocrypha on April 08, 2016, 12:58:03 AM
That was a really good teaser. I'm excited for this.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Setanta on April 08, 2016, 01:51:34 AM
Wash does not seem at all like Han Solo to me.

Cocky quippy pilot of a somewhat run down smuggler spaceship?  Yeah no similarities whatsoever.   :awesome_for_real:  Although I'll grant that Wash is a very dorky version of the trope whereas Han is more suave.

Sadly, I found Wash to be more interesting than Han Solo as a character. Then again I found Firefly to be more engaging than Star Wars


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Cyrrex on April 08, 2016, 02:52:00 AM
Fuck.  Yeah.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Comstar on April 08, 2016, 04:55:58 AM
Wash plays the mo-capped robot running behind them in the London underground.

Pity Kyle Katarn and Jan Ors got retconned out, though some of the characters look to be acceptable replacements.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on April 08, 2016, 05:31:47 AM
This looks fun!  Really gives a different vibe to the Star Wars universe than what TFA did, grittier but not all grimdark or anything. 



Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Merusk on April 08, 2016, 06:29:58 AM
Pity Kyle Katarn and Jan Ors got retconned out, though some of the characters look to be acceptable replacements.

A lot of Star Wars fans seem to believe that the main character in this is inspired by Jan Ors. Her name is even really close: Jyn Erso. Similar to how Ben Solo/ Kylo Ren is totally a combination of Luke and Mara Jade's kid (Ben Skywalker) and Anakin Solo.

If this is how they're going to reuse the Legends stuff I'm a-ok with it. As soon as you DO have a character named Kyle Katarn or Jan Ors you'll have vocal fanboys declaring that "this better mean that <terrible idea> is also part of the lore!" There's no need to pull the actual character names and all the baggage they'll have into the world.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Cyrrex on April 08, 2016, 08:29:37 AM
I'm hoping for a character called Kyle Thrawn.  He will be a tactically brilliant Jedi who also really fucking gets art.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Venkman on April 08, 2016, 05:50:01 PM
And blue.

Wash does not seem at all like Han Solo to me.

Cocky quippy pilot of a somewhat run down smuggler spaceship?  Yeah no similarities whatsoever.   :awesome_for_real:  Although I'll grant that Wash is a very dorky version of the trope whereas Han is more suave.

Oh come on. Nathan Fillion was Han Solo. He could pilot, but more importantly he was the antiestablishment leader smuggler pirate. Wash doesn't really have a close analogy. Maybe Nien Nunb, but in canon we kinda don't know anything about him.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Evildrider on April 08, 2016, 07:02:41 PM
I think Wash could be more like Wedge or in the new movie Poe Dameron.  However Mal definitely isn't the Pilot that Han was. 


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Khaldun on April 08, 2016, 07:03:45 PM
Right, but that's what I was thinking too--Han Solo is not the dude who pilots for someone else, whatever else he is.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Abagadro on April 08, 2016, 07:48:22 PM
Chewie is actually the pilot.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Evildrider on April 08, 2016, 07:53:12 PM
Chewie is definitely the copilot.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Bzalthek on April 08, 2016, 10:13:14 PM
Naw, Chewie was the pilot.  He just was just humoring Han and let Han think what he wanted.  But Chewie was in control.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: eldaec on April 09, 2016, 12:59:58 AM
Chewie doesn't sit in the correct seat to be pilot. I have never met a pilot who would be willing to sit on the right unless acting as copilot. Not even for a life debt.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Abagadro on April 09, 2016, 02:10:44 AM
Fleeing the Death Star. Who's flying, who's shooting. Boom. Lawyered.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Evildrider on April 09, 2016, 02:31:24 AM
Fleeing the Death Star. Who's flying, who's shooting. Boom. Lawyered.


Straight from starwars.com:

CHEWBACCA

A legendary Wookiee warrior and Han Solo’s co-pilot aboard the Millennium Falcon, Chewbacca was part of a core group of Rebels who restored freedom to the galaxy.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Abagadro on April 09, 2016, 02:33:30 AM
Pfft., fuck those nerds. It's all on the screen, yo.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Pennilenko on April 09, 2016, 07:34:01 AM
Pfft., fuck those nerds. It's all on the screen, yo.
What the hell have you done?


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Furiously on April 09, 2016, 10:27:17 AM
Pfft., fuck those nerds. It's all on the screen, yo.

You also have to remember they are English... What side do English drivers sit on?


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: shiznitz on April 09, 2016, 11:36:44 AM
Is this possibly the story of how the rebels got the plans to the original Deathstar?


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Evildrider on April 09, 2016, 11:45:05 AM
Is this possibly the story of how the rebels got the plans to the original Deathstar?

That is exactly what this is about. 


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: eldaec on April 09, 2016, 12:59:45 PM
Pfft., fuck those nerds. It's all on the screen, yo.

You also have to remember they are English... What side do English drivers sit on?

Doesn't matter, pilot in command is the same all over the world, whether you drive cars the left side or the wrong side of the road.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Goreschach on April 09, 2016, 01:57:51 PM
Pfft., fuck those nerds. It's all on the screen, yo.

You also have to remember they are English... What side do English drivers sit on?

Doesn't matter, pilot in command is the same all over the world, whether you drive cars the left side or the wrong side of the road.

Obviously relevant in another galaxy.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: angry.bob on April 09, 2016, 03:38:11 PM
The shadowy darthy looking guy is going to be the Emperor's new apprentice Snoke before Darth Vader fucks him up when the Emperor tells him to kill Vader and take his place.

Also, creepy as fuck Mark Hamill it the little interview thing at the end. This sums it up perfectly. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4F1RpU9Wxw)


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Surlyboi on April 09, 2016, 06:47:21 PM
Oh, Hamill is brilliant there. Watch that follow-up video that's linked from the trailer.

Mark's a funny motherfucker.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Khaldun on April 10, 2016, 05:00:26 AM
He tweeted that he promises that he also doesn't have any dialogue in Rogue One.
 :grin:


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: K9 on April 10, 2016, 06:14:59 AM
I hope the rebels have some tanks to counter those AT-ATs


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Rishathra on April 10, 2016, 06:39:50 AM
They don't need them.  They have already figured out how to counter AT-ATs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rmprF6e0RA


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: angry.bob on April 10, 2016, 10:38:16 AM
They don't need them.  They have already figured out how to counter AT-ATs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rmprF6e0RA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpNU3WumPFQ&nohtml5=False


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Abagadro on April 10, 2016, 11:45:51 AM
Might as well post the original:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC0keDGobck


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Evildrider on April 10, 2016, 02:19:51 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/WxBGkw2.png)


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Lucas on April 10, 2016, 03:34:07 PM
So cute and genuinely funny :)


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Malakili on April 10, 2016, 04:02:51 PM
Ok, now recreate this one:

(http://www.sciencealert.com/images/392994-training_web.jpg)


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Tale on May 17, 2016, 01:36:43 AM
many details emerge (http://www.slashfilm.com/rogue-one-character-names/)


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Merusk on May 17, 2016, 05:24:19 AM
My bet's on the little furry guy being a Bothan.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Furiously on June 01, 2016, 01:46:44 AM
Reshoot time! Sounds like test audiences didn't like the movie.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/more-details-have-been-revealed-about-those-rogue-one-r-1779744810 (http://io9.gizmodo.com/more-details-have-been-revealed-about-those-rogue-one-r-1779744810)


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Sir T on June 01, 2016, 02:23:08 AM
So, does Manny Bothans die? He's gonna be my favourite character.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Khaldun on June 01, 2016, 05:16:47 AM
I hope they don't try to make it completely tonally like the main movies. I'm ok if it's a bit more serious/war-movie like.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on June 01, 2016, 05:29:49 AM
At it's core, Rogue One still fits the action genre and you just can't have a super grimdark action movie or it'll feel like a slog just to watch.  I mean they could definitely go overboard and lighten the tone too much but I'm cautiously optimistic that they are just trying to avoid Snyderizing star wars.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Merusk on June 01, 2016, 05:43:23 AM
That and it's Disney so they're likely aiming for PG/ soft PG-13. The darkest movie has been Revenge of the Sith, and nothing is going to be darker than that with the slaughter of first graders and the onscreen murder of a 15/ 16 year-old.

The Vader scene was described as "very dark and brutal" more befitting a hard PG-13 into R movie. No way that was going to fly.

That said, yeah, there's reshoots. No big surprise, as has been pointed out with other movies they reshoot/ re-edit almost up until the day of release now. Think of it as Day-0 patches for games. Digital distribution has altered workflows such that deadlines are closer to release dates now. Humanity generally works to deadlines, we're short-sighted that way. :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Malakili on June 01, 2016, 05:56:44 AM
I don't really care how "dark" the movie is either way, but I do worry about reshoots of this type because you can end up with a movie that is tonally inconsistent, which has the potential to be pretty bad (see also: the most recent Fantastic Four).


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Furiously on June 01, 2016, 12:30:03 PM
That and it's Disney so they're likely aiming for PG/ soft PG-13. The darkest movie has been Revenge of the Sith, and nothing is going to be darker than that with the slaughter of first graders and the onscreen murder of a 15/ 16 year-old.

The Vader scene was described as "very dark and brutal" more befitting a hard PG-13 into R movie. No way that was going to fly.

That said, yeah, there's reshoots. No big surprise, as has been pointed out with other movies they reshoot/ re-edit almost up until the day of release now. Think of it as Day-0 patches for games. Digital distribution has altered workflows such that deadlines are closer to release dates now. Humanity generally works to deadlines, we're short-sighted that way. :why_so_serious:

When you have reshoots and a director saying he's never going to do a large movie again, it generally means bad things for the audience.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Furiously on June 02, 2016, 10:05:28 PM
http://screenrant.com/star-wars-rogue-one-reshoots-details-mcquarrie/ (http://screenrant.com/star-wars-rogue-one-reshoots-details-mcquarrie/)

40% of the film was that bad?


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Sir T on June 02, 2016, 10:41:05 PM
But at least the picture shows that we will still have the most important element in all of star wars

(http://screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Style.jpg)

LENS FARES WILL BE IN THE MOVIE!! YAAAAAAAY!!!


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Margalis on June 02, 2016, 10:57:44 PM
http://screenrant.com/star-wars-rogue-one-reshoots-details-mcquarrie/ (http://screenrant.com/star-wars-rogue-one-reshoots-details-mcquarrie/)

40% of the film was that bad?

These days the media has a lot more knowledge of what is happening in film (and other mediums) and how the sausage is made, and can blow 'production problems' way out of proportion. To use a game example, there were constant reports of major production problems on Red Dead Redemption, but the game turned out good/great.

I think it's a mistake to assume that reports of production problems, reshoots, etc, indicates real problems. Sometimes they do, but a lot of the time those sorts of issues are just part of the process.

Again, to talk about games, I get annoyed when I read reports like "just 3 months from release X game was a total mess!" It sounds damning but that's just how game production often works.  Being bad a few months before release isn't too indicative of anything. (Or, at least, certain types of bad aren't indicative of anything)

Mad Max: Fury Road had huge production problems.

It sounds like the movie isn't want they want tonally. It's not coming out until Christmas (?). Sounds like much ado about nothing to me. They aren't even in the test screening phase yet.

Quote
Reshoot time! Sounds like test audiences didn't like the movie.

These aren't test audiences watching the movie, it's execs watching a rough cut. The difference being that test audiences come later in the process, and impose more of a time constraint on changes.

To me this sounds like the system working. They filmed some stuff, now they're tweaking it. It will probably be pretty good when it is released (pretty good for a SW film anyway) and if we didn't know about the problems would be none the wiser.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Mac on June 02, 2016, 11:17:39 PM
I read the words 'Young Han Solo Cameo" and now I am no longer interested in watching this.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Thrawn on June 03, 2016, 05:33:32 PM
I read the words 'Young Han Solo Cameo" and now I am no longer interested in watching this.

Yep.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: eldaec on June 05, 2016, 10:46:59 AM
I read the words 'Young Han Solo Cameo" and now I am no longer interested in watching this.

 :heartbreak:


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: eldaec on June 05, 2016, 01:48:05 PM
What I really don't get... surely the only people who give a shit about Han Solo are the people who would hate the idea of putting him in any more films?


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Evildrider on June 05, 2016, 01:57:36 PM
What I really don't get... surely the only people who give a shit about Han Solo are the people who would hate the idea of putting him in any more films?

It's probably a tie in to the Han Solo movie.  I don't know what people expected from Star Wars once they said they were going to be movies spread out along the timeline.  Hell there is talk of a young Yoda movie. 


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: eldaec on June 05, 2016, 02:35:20 PM
Young Yoda I have no issue with.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Margalis on June 05, 2016, 03:51:18 PM
Isn't this movie set right before ep IV? Why would Han Solo even be young in it?


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Ruvaldt on June 05, 2016, 10:48:04 PM
Isn't this movie set right before ep IV? Why would Han Solo even be young in it?


Because he was pretty young in ep IV?  Harrison Ford was 35 in that movie.

Plus, the last time we saw Han Solo he was in his 70s so...young is a pretty good descriptor if it takes place before ep IV.  He'll be the youngest that he's ever been depicted in film.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Mithas on August 11, 2016, 08:03:54 PM
New trailer out tonight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frdj1zb9sMY


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Shannow on August 11, 2016, 08:52:54 PM
I like it.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Soln on August 11, 2016, 09:09:47 PM
Yup yup yup


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Abagadro on August 11, 2016, 09:32:26 PM
Oh hell's ya.  They even HK-47'd up the protocol droid.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Sky on August 11, 2016, 10:20:48 PM
I'm glad I lived to see Star Wars ripped from Lucas' shithold.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Furiously on August 11, 2016, 11:28:27 PM
That trailer looked a lot more interesting.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Lucas on August 12, 2016, 09:41:37 AM
New trailer out tonight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frdj1zb9sMY

Oh yes, big stamp of approval  :drill:


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Trippy on August 12, 2016, 09:58:14 AM
Looking more like The Dirty Dozen in SPPPAACCEEE which is good IMO.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Megrim on August 15, 2016, 04:29:57 PM
I still don't see any Bothans.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Phildo on August 15, 2016, 04:37:53 PM
Bothans were the second death star.  Haven't we already covered that?


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Megrim on August 15, 2016, 05:03:04 PM
Bothans were the second death star.  Haven't we already covered that?

Oh right, yea. Shows how much of a shit I give. Pew pew, lasers, stern asian men.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: eldaec on August 16, 2016, 03:04:13 AM
Anyway, for all you know the entire cast are Bothan.

The furry assumption has no basis in canon iirc.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Bunk on August 16, 2016, 06:41:26 AM
I thought we'd established that the plans were stolen by a brave Corellian freedom fighter named Manny Bothans?


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Phildo on August 16, 2016, 08:39:37 AM
I think I'm mostly upset that they're not sticking with the plot of the first mission of Star Wars: Dark Forces.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Raph on August 17, 2016, 02:06:39 PM
Anyway, for all you know the entire cast are Bothan.

The furry assumption has no basis in canon iirc.

It used to, but doesn't as of the retcon. Trivia: the SWG Bothans were actually the official EU definition, that was the first time they'd been worked out in that much detail, and it was made official then.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Draegan on August 17, 2016, 05:22:04 PM
Not any more.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: KallDrexx on August 19, 2016, 07:52:34 AM
Trailer set to Sabotage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMmiNeVrbDk&feature=youtu.be)


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Furiously on August 19, 2016, 12:15:44 PM
Trailer set to Sabotage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMmiNeVrbDk&feature=youtu.be)

 :roflcopter:


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: apocrypha on August 19, 2016, 12:34:32 PM
Trailer set to Sabotage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMmiNeVrbDk&feature=youtu.be)

'Mazin.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: MahrinSkel on August 19, 2016, 02:09:43 PM
Trailer set to Sabotage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMmiNeVrbDk&feature=youtu.be)
Fuck me, now I'm going to be disappointed when I watch the movie and there's no "Intergalactic, planetary, planetary, intergalactic...."

--Dave


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Megrim on August 20, 2016, 05:46:49 PM
The bit with the stormtroopers wading along the beach, could be straight out of a Seth Rogen movie. I would watch this movie with that music.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Venkman on August 21, 2016, 03:13:21 PM
Japanese trailer (http://mashable.com/2016/08/15/rogue-one-international-trailer/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily&utm_source=newsletter&utm_cid=mash-prod-email-topstories&utm_emailalert=daily).

Mostly the same.

Except where it's not.

And there's an interesting reveal in the not.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Sky on August 22, 2016, 08:28:58 AM
Could we just link to youtube and not mashable?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5qguZw3RzY

 :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Merusk on September 16, 2016, 06:04:19 AM
Desplat is out as composer, Giaachino is in after the reshoots.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-rogue-one-replaces-929387

Not sure how I feel about this. Worrisome that such a big change happens so late in the game. Scores take about two months to compose, so this is true crunch time.

That said I don't really recall Desplat doing anything truly iconic. Could be that's because I haven't seen the majority of the films he's scored. Could be that he's a background composer and you need a different personality for what they're trying to produce. Giacchino has done enough action/ fantasy work that it's a good choice, but it could also indicate a huge shift in the film. From gritty to more lighthearted action, which would be a mistake.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Comstar on September 17, 2016, 07:34:50 AM
They probably used the new composer's music when editing, told the old guy to  "make it sound like that", and ended up just using the same guy.

Expect completely forgettable music if that is the case. Ie- try and think of a single piece of music from any DC movie.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Ragnoros on September 17, 2016, 08:04:53 AM
What Comstar is talking about. (In general, not just Star Wars)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vfqkvwW2fs


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Venkman on September 17, 2016, 11:02:14 AM
Yea. Saw that the other day and it makes some really good points. Tech is very useful. But it lets people with limited imaginations get what they think they want only through copying something they liked previously. This piece could be rewritten to describe consumer electronics, video games, TV shows, etc.

I will say the music from Thor 1 stuck with me (the tranformation phase at the end), as did that Captain America 1 track they showed too in this video.

But yea other than that, I would hope that Disney's expertise in making memorable songs may start to integrate with the Marvel studio stuff soon.

And on Star Wars, it would be nice to hear more than just variations of the main theme and imperial march. I thought the Clone Wars more militarized main theme was a good derivation. But there needs to be more than just two quintessential Star Wars songs (there's a bunch of others like cantina band, the love music, and the original Ewok celebration, but those were all single-movie tracks, not ones that appeared in all of them).


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Mac on September 17, 2016, 11:39:55 AM
They're just using the old themes to trigger the Star Wars in your brain. The rest can be utterly forgettable, no one will care so why spend any money on it.









Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Khaldun on September 18, 2016, 07:53:04 AM
I listen A LOT to soundtracks and basically I feel like Zimmer and Djawadi are the only ones who write kind of memorable soundtracks now. The Marvel movies are a great case of this--they have had almost universally bland, functional soundtracks that you struggle to remember any part of later on. Two Steps From Hell's work is more memorable without being in any actual movie than the vast majority of scores for action, SF, superhero, etc. films. I don't know if that's just being cheap or if strong scores are just that hard to come by now.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Surlyboi on September 18, 2016, 11:05:26 PM
I dunno. I'm a big fan of Giacchino.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on September 19, 2016, 02:54:07 AM
There is talk of Williams bowing out/passing the torch to Giacchino for ep8-9 so if that's the case they may have just decided to not have a third composer for this one movie.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: DevilsAdvocate25 on September 19, 2016, 12:16:56 PM
Yea. Saw that the other day and it makes some really good points. Tech is very useful. But it lets people with limited imaginations get what they think they want only through copying something they liked previously. This piece could be rewritten to describe consumer electronics, video games, TV shows, etc.

I will say the music from Thor 1 stuck with me (the tranformation phase at the end), as did that Captain America 1 track they showed too in this video.

But yea other than that, I would hope that Disney's expertise in making memorable songs may start to integrate with the Marvel studio stuff soon.

And on Star Wars, it would be nice to hear more than just variations of the main theme and imperial march. I thought the Clone Wars more militarized main theme was a good derivation. But there needs to be more than just two quintessential Star Wars songs (there's a bunch of others like cantina band, the love music, and the original Ewok celebration, but those were all single-movie tracks, not ones that appeared in all of them).

How could you forget Duel of the Fates (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yHkJJic6zg)!


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Merusk on September 19, 2016, 03:22:30 PM
Rey's Theme has some great memorable moments, as well.

Most of Star Wars does, but the reason you keep hearing the same tunes is because Williams conceived of it as a Peter and the Wolf type of piece. Each character has their own theme and each type of action. That's going to limit the iconic pieces, because you're going to hear the main character theme, (Bwah bwah, baaa, ba da daaa da) over and over and over.

Williams stuck with this even into in The Force Awakens. People criticize it as "memberberries" but it was very much intentional. Han and Leia recall both Leia's theme from EP IV, Han and the Princess from EP V. Because that's the intent. The chracters are on screen so you get Leia's flute and Han's French Horn doing the same riff as when Han's frozen. That's THEIR theme.

I think this is part of the reason people complain about modern soundtracks not being memorable. There's no repetition of themes. Each scene nowadays must have its own unique music, you never hear the same thing twice. As a result you're not going to remember it unless you've watched the movie or one scene several times.

Badelt's Pirates of the Caribbean is one of the last soundtracks I can recall coming up with a distinct theme for a character. Ironically it became Jack's theme but was originally titled "Will and Elizabeth." (The end theme, "He's a Pirate" was referring to Will, not Jack.) Jack's original theme was playing when his boat came into the harbor and sank.

Ed: Oh! Also, something I realized this weekend as I dropped in the movies for another watch. Modern films do NOT let the music become a character. The Lord of the Rings did to an extent, but everything has to be so frenzied, bombastic and busy that you can't even hear the music 90% of the time.

Sit down and watch 20-30 minutes in the middle of ANH or Empire in the next week. The movies all breathe quite often and music fills that space, adding its own character to the story. There's spaces where characters don't talk for a good 30s to a minute. Now find that same time in The Avengers or any of the Marvel movies. You can't.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Khaldun on October 13, 2016, 05:24:50 AM
New trailer.

Maybe slightly spoilery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC9abcLLQpI


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: calapine on October 13, 2016, 05:46:02 AM
I like the contemptuous look of the officer who is played by Malcom's dad.

And the slight overacting by (probably) Tarkin was nice as well.



Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Khaldun on October 13, 2016, 08:11:01 AM
I think the dude in the white suit is the Big Bad of the movie--Director Orson Krennic, basically the supervisor of the Death Star construction project.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: calapine on October 13, 2016, 09:25:19 AM
Ahh. I see. Thank you.

I thught we are dealing with two different persons in the trailer, but looking at in zoomed in it seems you are right:



Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Merusk on October 13, 2016, 03:54:44 PM
I think the dude in the white suit is the Big Bad of the movie--Director Orson Krennic, basically the supervisor of the Death Star construction project.


You're correct on both counts.

Info about Krennic says he's wary of Palpatine and Vader while also trying to figure out what's up with their silly Religion. Which probably explains, in part, the toppled Jedi statue in the trailer and why Krennic is located on that particular planet while overseeing the Death Star.



Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: eldaec on October 14, 2016, 04:35:03 AM
Enjoyed that trailer less because dialog choices were so very bad.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Mac on October 22, 2016, 04:57:35 AM
In other Star Wars news: they are casting Donald Glover as Lando in the new Han Solo movie.

(https://i.imgur.com/Ck6HPG7.gif)


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: eldaec on December 13, 2016, 01:47:44 PM
Reviews broadly say "Pretty good, probably a bit better than tFA, at least has a new story, even if an unnecessarily preachy and not as interesting as it could be story. Good cast mediocre script. Film is darker than other star wars offerings, but sadly this has mostly been achieved by the lighting director, not the screenwriter. Also things go pew pew and there are xwings."


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Soln on December 13, 2016, 07:31:42 PM
Good enough then.  Roger!


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: HaemishM on December 13, 2016, 07:36:26 PM
So basically what anyone who doesn't hate Star Wars and has half a brain should expect? OK THEN.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Khaldun on December 14, 2016, 04:30:53 AM
The reviewer in the New Yorker has apparently gone insane, judging from his strongly negative review of Rogue One: "There’s none of the Shakespearean space politics, enticingly florid dialogue, or experiential thrills of the best of George Lucas’s “Star Wars” entries (“Attack of the Clones” and “Revenge of the Sith”)."


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Shannow on December 14, 2016, 06:23:04 AM
Was it in green type?  :uhrr:


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Ruvaldt on December 14, 2016, 06:29:02 AM
Did you read the full review?  I did, and my only explanation for it is that he had a seizure and scrawled off the review in a fugue state.

Here is another quote:

Quote
The director of “Rogue One,” Gareth Edwards, has stepped into a mythopoetic stew so half-baked and overcooked, a morass of pre-instantly overanalyzed implications of such shuddering impact to the series’ fundamentalists, that he lumbers through, seemingly stunned or constrained or cautious to the vanishing point of passivity, and lets neither the characters nor the formidable cast of actors nor even the special effects, of which he has previously proved himself to be a master, come anywhere close to life.

And another...

Quote
“Rogue One” isn’t so much a movie as a feature-length promotional film for itself; it’s a movie that is still waiting to be made.

Whaaaaaaaaaat


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Ironwood on December 14, 2016, 06:30:36 AM
Sounds like someone with a serious axe to grind.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Merusk on December 14, 2016, 08:03:55 AM
The dude cited ATOC and ROTS as the best of the series. He's clearly unqualified to WATCH movies, much less review them.

ed: Although he's obviously learned the modern-media lesson: The accuracy of what you write matters less than the clicks it generates. A good review in the NY would have generated no clicks. This? This will generate clicks for weeks and all the juicy ad $ that goes with it. Fuck that guy I'm not reading the link but I will find a way to plagiarize the hell out of it and post it elsewhere to reduce his clickthroughs.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Khaldun on December 14, 2016, 08:28:09 AM
It's actually this guy's modus operandi. The New Yorker had a guy reviewing literature for a while who was like that too--a big driver of clicks because he said stuff that was so wildly out there that it made no sense to anyone, but was consciously intended to seem that way to drive traffic, or so most people judged.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: HaemishM on December 14, 2016, 08:47:53 AM
I read excerpts of that review on Deadspin yesterday. I mean, even if I hadn't written him off as a pretentious hipster douche after using the word mythopoetic (the fuck does that even mean and who the fuck would use a word like that to describe a PEW PEW LASERS! movie?), when he claims Revenge and Attack are the best of the series, just fuck that guy. Those movies had no redeeming qualities whatsoever.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Soln on December 14, 2016, 12:03:19 PM
The New Yorker is not relevant (anymore).  Star Wars is relevant.  Staff writers need to write, thus controversy. 


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: IainC on December 14, 2016, 03:42:21 PM
Just got back from seeing this at the pre-premiere (which is apparently a thing here in Slovakia).

I liked it a lot. I'd probably rate it as the best SW film - including Empire Strikes Back. Huge amounts of fan service but that's actually completely understandable given the plot and the position of the movie in the main series timeline.

It is very dark compared to all of the other Star Wars movies, I read somewhere that it's a war movie set in the Star Wars universe, and that pretty much sums it up. It's still Star Wars so there's no gratuitous gore but it's emotionally very bleak. Younger viewers who are expecting something more like TFA are going to be fairly heavily affected by it I think. I was honestly surprised at the ending, it must have been hard to pitch that to Disney execs.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Torinak on December 14, 2016, 04:38:07 PM

Quote
“Rogue One” isn’t so much a movie as a feature-length promotional film for itself; it’s a movie that is still waiting to be made.

Whaaaaaaaaaat

Sure, that happens all the time. You go to the movies, and there are some short trailers for upcoming films, and then there's a 2-hour trailer that's about the movie you went to see.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Comstar on December 15, 2016, 05:04:13 AM
TESB had a better tone and balance. This movie is good, but is rough and you can see and feel the edges where Disney pounded into the shape they wanted, which may or may not have better than the original vision.
 
Still pretty damm good though.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Draegan on December 15, 2016, 05:35:26 AM
Just got back from seeing this at the pre-premiere (which is apparently a thing here in Slovakia).

I liked it a lot. I'd probably rate it as the best SW film - including Empire Strikes Back. Huge amounts of fan service but that's actually completely understandable given the plot and the position of the movie in the main series timeline.

It is very dark compared to all of the other Star Wars movies, I read somewhere that it's a war movie set in the Star Wars universe, and that pretty much sums it up. It's still Star Wars so there's no gratuitous gore but it's emotionally very bleak. Younger viewers who are expecting something more like TFA are going to be fairly heavily affected by it I think. I was honestly surprised at the ending, it must have been hard to pitch that to Disney execs.

Aren't we at the point that if it's a Star Wars movie it's automatically fan service?


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: IainC on December 15, 2016, 06:44:13 AM
Well yes, but as the movie is basically Episode 3.999, the fan service is baked into the plot rather than being a stupid diversion (c.f. C3PO and R2D2 in the prequels).


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Riggswolfe on December 15, 2016, 07:37:06 AM
The reviewer in the New Yorker has apparently gone insane, judging from his strongly negative review of Rogue One: "There’s none of the Shakespearean space politics, enticingly florid dialogue, or experiential thrills of the best of George Lucas’s “Star Wars” entries (“Attack of the Clones” and “Revenge of the Sith”)."

I have no idea if I'll enjoy it or not but that review seriously seems like the critic is trolling Star Wars fans, if not the public at large.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: shiznitz on December 15, 2016, 11:25:58 AM
Taking the wife and 8 kids (not all mine) on Saturday. The bad reviews that I have read (like the one quoted above) do not strike me as terribly credible given their tones. I am highly optimistic.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Hawkbit on December 15, 2016, 03:38:37 PM
Just got back from seeing this at the pre-premiere (which is apparently a thing here in Slovakia).

I liked it a lot. I'd probably rate it as the best SW film - including Empire Strikes Back. Huge amounts of fan service but that's actually completely understandable given the plot and the position of the movie in the main series timeline.

It is very dark compared to all of the other Star Wars movies, I read somewhere that it's a war movie set in the Star Wars universe, and that pretty much sums it up. It's still Star Wars so there's no gratuitous gore but it's emotionally very bleak. Younger viewers who are expecting something more like TFA are going to be fairly heavily affected by it I think. I was honestly surprised at the ending, it must have been hard to pitch that to Disney execs.

Thanks for the honest review. I think I'm going to like this one a lot; the premise even from the beginning was something I was interested in. I really hope they can continue with these one-off stories of side characters.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Velorath on December 15, 2016, 04:43:57 PM
It's a perfectly ok movie. It kinda wants to be the Dirty Dozen or Magnificent 7 but doesn't really take the time to develop most of the characters beyond very broad strokes (which to be fair even those movies struggled with to some extent). There's not much I can really complain about, but the movie hasn't really stuck around in my head either. I guess it probably doesn't help that I watched La La Land right after and that one really did stick with me.

There's also some cg work which I'm sure is going to be very divisive (can't give any details until more people have seen this).


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Merusk on December 15, 2016, 07:03:56 PM
So very, very happy. Everything I wanted and a bit more.  On the phone so that's all I'll type now other than to say the CGI was good use except that very last one which felt gratuitous. 


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Bunk on December 15, 2016, 09:52:40 PM
Yup, was everything I wanted. It is basically a war movie in the Star Wars universe, so character development is a bit limited, but still there. Action was amazing, though they probably could have shaved off a few minutes of fighting. Initial reaction would put it as 2nd best overall, 3rd at worst.

Really slick job of blending in to the timeline without too much shoehorning.  semi-
The way they managed to recreate the original Alliance leaders was crazy how well it merged with my memory of that scene. There were a couple cheesy speeches, but nothing too bad. The aliens present didn't distract, they blended in. The nostalgia bits fit and didn't feel forced like a JJ movie. And Alan Tudyk shone as the much needed comic relief.

Damn, I'm still hyped up. Need to calm down and go to bed.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Bunk on December 15, 2016, 09:59:34 PM
A couple more thoughts while they are fresh in my head. There will be people who bitch about little things like retconning female fighter pilots in to the Alliance. Screw them.

Also, first Star Wars movie in 33 years not made for six years olds. There was not a single scene in it that made me think "that was thrown in for the kiddies"

Gonna be a lot of little kid tears at the end of this.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: MahrinSkel on December 15, 2016, 10:01:33 PM
Should I not take my 8 year old daughter? 'Cause there are going to be tears in that event. And she will probably be sad too.

--Dave


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Bunk on December 15, 2016, 11:25:31 PM
Honestly, I don't have enough experience with 8 year olds to know. But as should be obvious based on the story, not every character makes it.

That said, characters that do die do tend to die star warsy deaths, so maybe young kids won't realize it.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Teleku on December 15, 2016, 11:54:39 PM
(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/8/8d/Roasted_Porkins.png/revision/latest?cb=20130311024749)

 :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Ironwood on December 16, 2016, 12:24:25 AM
Stay on target.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Venkman on December 16, 2016, 10:01:49 AM
Gonna be a lot of little kid tears at the end of this.

There were a lot of adult tears at the end of this.

It kinda wants to be the Dirty Dozen or Magnificent 7 but doesn't really take the time to develop most of the characters beyond very broad strokes (which to be fair even those movies struggled with to some extent).

It kinda felt like one of those old Expanded Universe novels in movie form, which is why I loved it. But to your point, kinda hard to do that in a movie where we can literally say things about how it ended without being ironic :-)


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Nebu on December 16, 2016, 01:21:44 PM
Saw this today.  Am I alone in feeling it was nothing but a blatant money grab?


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: IainC on December 16, 2016, 01:37:51 PM
Saw this today.  Am I alone in feeling it was nothing but a blatant money grab?
In as much as any movie set within the gigantic franchise that is Star Wars is automatically a money grab, then sure. I felt that it was a decent movie on its own merits - in other words, if you strip out the Star Wars and replace it with some generic SF setting, then it still works, you'd just need a bit more exposition to cover the implied knowledge gaps. The idea of telling stories in the Star Wars universe that aren't centred around the core Vader/Luke arc isn't an automatically bad one even if a side effect of those movies is that Disney will be making obscene amounts of cash from them.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Threash on December 16, 2016, 05:05:55 PM
Saw this today.  Am I alone in feeling it was nothing but a blatant money grab?

If by blatant money grab you mean second best Star Wars movie I guess?


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: HaemishM on December 16, 2016, 09:46:11 PM
Saw this today and it was fucking brilliant. Definitely the 2nd best Star Wars movie. If the prequels had been this tone with this tight a writing, practical effects and set in the Clone Wars, I would have been satisfied with them. I only wish we had known the characters more because I really dug some of them. The one criticism I have is the overuse of


because that shit looked jank as hell.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Riggswolfe on December 16, 2016, 10:20:05 PM
Saw this today and it was fucking brilliant. Definitely the 2nd best Star Wars movie. If the prequels had been this tone with this tight a writing, practical effects and set in the Clone Wars, I would have been satisfied with them. I only wish we had known the characters more because I really dug some of them. The one criticism I have is the overuse of


because that shit looked jank as hell.

I thought



Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Riggswolfe on December 16, 2016, 10:21:17 PM
Saw this today.  Am I alone in feeling it was nothing but a blatant money grab?

If it was a blatant money grab



Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: jgsugden on December 16, 2016, 11:38:26 PM
Loved it. Minor beef: It needed to spend more time earlier on building our relationship with the characters. It was also a bit bigger in many ways than a New Hope... Taken together,  A New Hope is a bit anticlimactic and bland.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Nebu on December 17, 2016, 12:18:16 AM
I guess I didn't love it like the rest of you did.  I was pretty bored about half way through it.  Then again, I've never been much of a Star Wars fan and only went to make my GF happy.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: calapine on December 17, 2016, 01:46:02 AM
Just reading the non-spoiler replies doesn't really help a lot I have to say.

To be honest, I don't fully trust you guys taste with things.


Let's try it that way: Would Plinkett have liked like?

And is the Empire being awesome?  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Comstar on December 17, 2016, 02:31:42 AM
Let's try it that way: Would Plinkett have liked like?

And is the Empire being awesome?  :why_so_serious:

I'm not sure. I couldn't bother watching his last review oif TFA because  he was nit picking it more than the Everything Wrong with Movie X guys do. It's got some rough edges the re-shoots probably tried to clean up and don't quite work.

The Empire is pretty awesome right at the end of the movie.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: HaemishM on December 17, 2016, 10:58:53 AM
It is darker and grittier than I ever would have expected a Star Wars movie to be. I truly feel it was a better movie than A New Hope and just under Empire Strikes Back in terms of quality of concept and execution. I only regret there wasn't more about the characters because I really got into these characters in the short time we saw them. And the resolution was very ballsy to me, something I would not have expected from Disney in a license like this.



Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Threash on December 17, 2016, 12:14:01 PM




Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Ginaz on December 17, 2016, 05:52:05 PM
I saw this today and I enjoyed it more than the Force Awakens.  I'd still put the all of the original films ahead of it just for nostalgia reasons but it's leaps and bounds better than the prequels. They seemed to have much more freedom to tell their story than the rest of the series.  The way it ended makes me think future SW films will be more "stand alone" like the Marvel ones and only loosely tied together.  It worked for the Marvel movies so I expect them to do it here, too.  The CGI character stuff didn't bother me because it was generally well done except for maybe the last cameo, and even that wasn't too bad.  I might have to see it again since my enjoyment was tempered a bit because it started 15 mins late and I had to go out and tell them it hadn't started.  When it did start the fucking lights stayed on until I, again, had to go out and tell them and I missed some of the beginning. :facepalm:


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: MahrinSkel on December 17, 2016, 07:42:10 PM
I loved it, so did my daughter. Felt more Guns of Navarone than Dirty Dozen to me, but either way it worked.


Much better than any of the Lucas prequels, easily the second-best Star Wars movie. Gives me hope for the stand alone Han Solo movie. If it is Disney "cash grabs", just shut up and take my money.

--Dave


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: HaemishM on December 17, 2016, 08:18:50 PM
Thing is, I'm ok with "cash grabs" if they are well done. I mean, fuck... the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe is a cash grab but I really really like the movies. They are well filmed, mostly well-acted and well-written and they don't insult me. The prequels felt like a cash grab as much because they didn't feel like they were trying very hard to do something worth doing as for the fact they were trading off the nostalgia of my youth.

Disney has a ways to go before they get to cash grab territory with Star Wars - at least with the movies. When we are asked to go see Dexter Jettster's Great Adventure, then we'll have call to object.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Ruvaldt on December 17, 2016, 09:12:29 PM
Isn't almost every movie a cash grab though?  Unless we're talking about an independent artsy film, the studio is making a movie to produce profit, and that's the only reason they're making it.  Lucas didn't make A New Hope out of the goodness of his heart.  He did it to make money.  I've never understood the phrase "cash grab" in reference to a film, because, yeah...of course it is.  They're a business, and making films is how they make money.  And I, as the consumer, pay money to receive entertainment.  If I don't like what they're offering, I don't pay, and they don't get my money.  I'm fine with this arrangement.

This was an awesome movie.  More, please.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: koro on December 17, 2016, 09:32:14 PM
Just got back from it. Loved it to pieces, despite its several flaws and jarring reshoots. The story went about the way I expected it to, knowing in advance it was an old war film set in the Star Wars universe, but like others I was still surprised at
Also I didn't even notice that
As for fanservice and callbacks, I got my  scene, and that was all I wanted.

Probably my third favorite of the movies, behind Empire and TFA in first and second, respectively.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Shannow on December 17, 2016, 09:54:07 PM
This was good. Totally scratched the Star Wars itch. Better than 7.



Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: HaemishM on December 17, 2016, 11:05:48 PM
One thing that really impressed me about this movie was the personal conflict of Cassian Andor. Not so much the "tortured soul" trope so much as the assassination orders he was given, which seemed to be against Bael Organa's wishes (or at least without her knowledge). It felt like they did a good job showing the Rebels as something more than the completely good, lily white good guys. I mean, they were still the good guys but it gave the Rebellion a lot more humanity than I think they had in the original trilogy.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: jgsugden on December 18, 2016, 06:31:35 AM
The two from the bar showing up were a bit excessive as well. Unnecessary, pointless and the scene took me out of the film for a bit when I should have been more invested. I half expected to see a CGI Han and Chewie, next.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Threash on December 18, 2016, 08:13:37 AM
I think it's a bit telling that almost not a single one of the scenes from the trailer made it to the movie, the reshoots must have really improved things.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: WayAbvPar on December 18, 2016, 09:25:26 AM
Saw it, loved it. My 8 year old and 4 year old both loved it as well. The battle scenes were very cool, and
I wonder if the casting of more darker-skinned/accented people was an intentional jab at the current political scene, a nod to the huge number of races in the SW galaxy, or just a case of best actor gets the part? I hope that it makes all the shitlord racist fucksticks uncomfortable, whichever reason it is.



Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: eldaec on December 18, 2016, 11:02:52 AM
I don't think it is a nod to anything current so much as Disney's well established corporate policy.

And common sense given the setting and flavour of the rebel alliance of course.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Abagadro on December 18, 2016, 05:20:08 PM
Same opinion as most. Has some flaws but pretty enjoyable. I found myself grinning like an idiot when the rebel fleet jumped in and Darth tore shit up.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Fabricated on December 18, 2016, 05:54:09 PM
I just saw it and I realize I don't remember the names of anyone in the main cast.

It was okay I guess? The action scenes were well done for sure. I probably won't remember it after a week or so though.

More detailed opinions:


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: lamaros on December 18, 2016, 06:24:30 PM
For me TFA was entertaining but also quite bad and forgettable, am I going to think differently about this?

I'm getting mixed messages. Better than TFA but still mostly in the same vein?


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Fabricated on December 18, 2016, 06:50:38 PM
For me TFA was entertaining but also quite bad and forgettable, am I going to think differently about this?

I'm getting mixed messages. Better than TFA but still mostly in the same vein?
Someone said "It's a war movie set in the Star Wars universe", which is accurate. Less character development, more action, no real forcepower stuff for the main plot, darker overall plot.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: eldaec on December 19, 2016, 04:25:49 AM
For me TFA was entertaining but also quite bad and forgettable, am I going to think differently about this?

I'm getting mixed messages. Better than TFA but still mostly in the same vein?

Definitely not "in the same vein". You may or may not like it, but probably not for the same reasons as tFA.

This is not a JJA movie.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Merusk on December 19, 2016, 05:17:59 AM
Yeah it's a darker movie, I suspect because Deadpool did so well execs felt better about going a little darker. "Oh, fantasy audiences will accept more mature stories? Who knew!?"

There's a lot of scenes in the trailers that simply don't exist in the final cut of the movie which are leading people to suspect the darker tone is what happened in the reshoots. Funny because when they first happened everyone was worried they were lightening it up.

I think on second watch some of it was a bit uneven. The whole first act, while visually stunning and totally Star Wars, felt unneeded. There were a few bits that happen which imply consequences later that never materialize. Whether because of the reshoots or just odd decisions I don't know.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Shannow on December 19, 2016, 06:29:54 AM
Somewhat bizarrely I saw two films on Saturday featuring Alan Tudyk. One as a chicken and the other as a robot. There's probably a deeper meaning there.


The final battle scene was excellent, WAY better than TFA.



Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Threash on December 19, 2016, 09:12:52 AM
I don't know what people saw but to me  looked flawless and  looked weird as fuck.  Person I went with thought the first one was just a lookalike playing the part, but she thought it was a real person for sure.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: HaemishM on December 19, 2016, 10:03:16 AM
I'm with you, Threash. The one that only had one line looked good, the other looked plastic and obviously CGI. I mean, it's a seriously small nit to pick because it didn't ruin the movie for me at all. Just one of those things I wished they'd done differently.


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Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Evil Elvis on December 19, 2016, 12:46:11 PM
I was so bored with the first 30-40 minutes of this movie, I was hard to care about the rest of it.

I just didn't have the emotional connection to the characters that the movie needed to work. Saw Guererra's character was pointless, and the young Jyn scenes didn't make me care at all.

The last 30 minutes were pretty damn good. Didn't mind most of the callbacks, aside from the uncanny valley shit. Vader's suit looked Janky as hell. Didn't care from Krennic. K2S0 was the best character in the movie (which is part of the problem).  The last 2 minutes or so was probably the best part, but it was total fan service that felt bolted on by some exec.

As mediocre as I find Abram's facsimile, TFA is probably the more enjoyable film.


RedLetterMedia put their review up, and I agree with most of it:
http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-the-bag-rogue-one/


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: HaemishM on December 19, 2016, 01:14:36 PM
RedLetterMedia put their review up, and I agree with most of it:
http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-the-bag-rogue-one/

Jesus fuck, this schtick has absolutely gotten really really fucking old.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Bunk on December 19, 2016, 01:18:04 PM
The two from the bar showing up were a bit excessive as well. Unnecessary, pointless and the scene took me out of the film for a bit when I should have been more invested. I half expected to see a CGI Han and Chewie, next.

See, now I loved that scene. It was member berry fanservice sure, but not in any way that impacted the movie. It wasn't Kirk dieing in a reactor core while saying goodbye to Spock because of Timey Wimey stuff. It was harmless, brief, and amusing.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Bunk on December 19, 2016, 01:20:27 PM
I kind of appreciated the Vader's suit looked a little janky (it did) because that's how it looked in 1977. I had commented to my buddy after - imagine what Vader would look like if they had created the character today...


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: HaemishM on December 19, 2016, 01:21:46 PM
I thought their attention to detail in the costuming and hairstyling was so spot on, especially for the Rebel people. If you'd put a "shitty 70's filter" on the film and maybe made the AT-AT's all stop-motion janky, it would have looked like it had been made in 1977.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Bunk on December 19, 2016, 01:25:12 PM
All those magnificent mustaches.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Threash on December 19, 2016, 01:46:34 PM
Not just the hairs and costumes, the death star plans were stored in basically an 8 track.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: jgsugden on December 19, 2016, 01:53:50 PM
What I find interesting is how the delivery of some lines in a New Hope now work differently after seeing this film.  They had fun aligning the two films.


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Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: MediumHigh on December 19, 2016, 03:04:34 PM
Better than it had any right to be. TFA was lazy pandering with the worst aspects of 2015 storytelling wrapped around good production values. Like the call of duty of star wars movies. I dont know why disney loosened the reigne but this is pandering to the stars wars fanbase done right. Sure vador looks... off and the plot plows forward with very little breaks to give you more fleshed out characters. But I did like the characters in this way more than i should have. I did feel some type of way seeing them all go through the last 30 minutes of the movie. They did so much to make this feel like stars wars. And this movie was actually funny without giving a jar jar/finn character to wish we had a mute and fast forward button. Gladly watch this with the rest of the six.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: NowhereMan on December 19, 2016, 03:07:58 PM
I really enjoyed it, I thought the fanservice moments largely worked, the two from the bar was really great. I saw it with my GF who hasn't seen any of the films and she actually stayed awake through the whole film and enjoyed it. She was disappointed to discover storm troopers were bad guys though.



Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Polysorbate80 on December 19, 2016, 04:43:26 PM
I really enjoyed it, I thought the fanservice moments largely worked, the two from the bar was really great. I saw it with my GF who hasn't seen any of the films and she actually stayed awake through the whole film and enjoyed it. She was disappointed to discover storm troopers were bad guys though.




Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Ginaz on December 19, 2016, 05:49:54 PM
So I have a question.  What happened to the Bothans?  Are we supposed to forget that many of them died stealing the Death Star plans or did I miss something? :headscratch:


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Quinton on December 19, 2016, 06:06:52 PM
So I have a question.  What happened to the Bothans?  Are we supposed to forget that many of them died stealing the Death Star plans or did I miss something? :headscratch:

Wrong Death Star.  Many Bothans died to obtain information about the *second* Death Star.


Saw this today and definitely enjoyed it.  Nice to see a movie set in the star wars universe that didn't need to blow up a death star or make heavy use of existing characters.  Maybe there's hope after all.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Surlyboi on December 19, 2016, 06:42:18 PM
I believe there was a Corellian longshoreman by the name of Emanuel, "Manny" Bothans that died in the Imperial assault on Jedha.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: kaid on December 20, 2016, 09:42:00 AM
So I have a question.  What happened to the Bothans?  Are we supposed to forget that many of them died stealing the Death Star plans or did I miss something? :headscratch:

Wrong Death Star.  Many Bothans died to obtain information about the *second* Death Star.


Saw this today and definitely enjoyed it.  Nice to see a movie set in the star wars universe that didn't need to blow up a death star or make heavy use of existing characters.  Maybe there's hope after all.


Episode 4 crawl first couple paragraphs.
It is a period of civil war.
Rebel spaceships, striking
from a hidden base, have won
their first victory against
the evil Galactic Empire.

During the battle, Rebel
spies managed to steal secret
plans to the Empire's
ultimate weapon, the DEATH
STAR, an armored space
station with enough power
to destroy an entire planet.

Rogue 1 is basically what happened in those first couple paragraphs.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: eldaec on December 20, 2016, 10:28:25 AM
So I have a question.  What happened to the Bothans?  Are we supposed to forget that many of them died stealing the Death Star plans or did I miss something? :headscratch:

Wrong Death Star.  Many Bothans died to obtain information about the *second* Death Star.

And 'Bothans' has never been defined. For all you know it is a colloquial term meaning 'misfit gang of inexplicably photogenic rogues'.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Shannow on December 20, 2016, 11:01:29 AM
So I have a question.  What happened to the Bothans?  Are we supposed to forget that many of them died stealing the Death Star plans or did I miss something? :headscratch:

Wrong Death Star.  Many Bothans died to obtain information about the *second* Death Star.


Saw this today and definitely enjoyed it.  Nice to see a movie set in the star wars universe that didn't need to blow up a death star or make heavy use of existing characters.  Maybe there's hope after all.


Episode 4 crawl first couple paragraphs.
It is a period of civil war.
Rebel spaceships, striking
from a hidden base, have won
their first victory against
the evil Galactic Empire.

During the battle, Rebel
spies managed to steal secret
plans to the Empire's
ultimate weapon, the DEATH
STAR, an armored space
station with enough power
to destroy an entire planet.

Rogue 1 is basically what happened in those first couple paragraphs.

Can't remember where I read the story but I guess an old ILM guy wrote up a few paragraph treatment on that scroll, emailed it off to Kathleen Kennedy and that's how Rogue One was born. Kinda cool.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Goldenmean on December 20, 2016, 11:50:55 AM
And 'Bothans' has never been defined. For all you know it is a colloquial term meaning 'misfit gang of inexplicably photogenic rogues'.

As always with the Star Wars franchise, that depends on what you consider canon. Like everything else, they were certainly defined to hell and back before the extended universe cleansing. Even afterwards, they're still in modern Star Wars FFG games, and at least one supposedly "canon" novel based around TFA. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bothan (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bothan)

I really wish I could purge my head of this crap and free up those neurons, but sadly I am still in some ways a creature of my generation.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Shannow on December 20, 2016, 12:46:50 PM
Disney should make a film about stealing the 2nd Deathstar plans where a whole shitload of Bothans are killed in a hilarious accident that is incidental to the plans being delivered. I would support this 100% 


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Soulflame on December 20, 2016, 12:49:09 PM
I don't have anything to say, other than the family and I are hoping this is enjoyable when we see it in a week.

Also, I wanted to post this image because of all the Bothans talk, even though most of you have probably already seen it.

(http://www.bluemilkspecial.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/2015-01-02-ROTJ-100.jpg)


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: eldaec on December 20, 2016, 01:55:39 PM
And 'Bothans' has never been defined. For all you know it is a colloquial term meaning 'misfit gang of inexplicably photogenic rogues'.

As always with the Star Wars franchise, that depends on what you consider canon. Like everything else, they were certainly defined to hell and back before the extended universe cleansing. Even afterwards, they're still in modern Star Wars FFG games, and at least one supposedly "canon" novel based around TFA. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bothan (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bothan)

I really wish I could purge my head of this crap and free up those neurons, but sadly I am still in some ways a creature of my generation.

I really like that the cleansing means we no longer even need to discuss how the EU was always a steaming pile of non-canon horseshit.

Disney made a friend in me that day.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Fabricated on December 20, 2016, 03:30:27 PM
The EU was bad and it is cool and good it was jettisoned.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Lucas on December 21, 2016, 03:36:56 PM
So, I've finally watched Rogue One, and greatly enjoyed it.

I wouldn't place it above TFA, but that's just because I'm a sucker for the "main" timeline. As far as the movie itself is concerned, the whole "package" is a masterpiece: tight pacing, great landscapes, fan service and everything else. Maybe, the final battle won't become as iconic as the ones from the first trilogy, but it's hands down the best ever made in any SW movie. Oh, and the '70s "vibe" from the Rebel Alliance was fantastic. Droid K-2SO isn't HK-47, but definitely a step in the right direction  :grin:



Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Father mike on December 21, 2016, 04:26:50 PM
I love that K-2SO has the voice of Sonny from the Will Smith 'I, Robot'.

Whole family loved this one.  My daughter has been on the fence about liking Star Wars as a franchise*.  After this one she really wants to see 4-6.

* She thought TFA was fun, but the stilted dialog and other idiosyncrasies of the originals general are too weird.  And I can't really blame her.  Countless movies and shows have taken all the cool bits of the originals and done them in a more polished way that resonates with her generation.  These are just silly, old space movies with wooden acting to her.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Lucas on December 21, 2016, 05:10:38 PM
One last, minor negative thing: the only actor who really seemed out of place to me (like he didn't want to be part of the movie at all) is Ben Mendelsohn but there might be two...no, make it three reasons:

1) I'm too used watching him on the "Bloodline" TV show, in which he just nailed the perfect role, IMO ;
2) Inevitably, I had to watch the movie in italian, so with a dubbed voice (while I watch american/english tv show with the original language) ;
3) He was simply badly written, too stereotypical even for a SW movie?


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Abagadro on December 21, 2016, 05:18:07 PM
I think there was a lot more stuff about Jyn, Orson, and Saw that was axed. You don't cast those two guys for basically cameos. I have nothing to base this on other than what I saw up there on the screen, but I think they way upped the pew-pew and ditched a lot of the main character arc during the recutting/reshoots.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Fabricated on December 21, 2016, 06:47:25 PM
I kinda got the impression that Jyn was originally supposed to be more of a terrorist and hardliner but Disney had cold feet about making the main character someone like that.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Cyrrex on December 22, 2016, 01:05:00 AM
Going back to the CGI bit, there is something interesting at play here.  In neither case did it really bother me much, even if I thought it was unnecessary.  That said, it was HUGELY obvious to me that both of them were CGI, and it has nothing to do with the fact that I knew the one actor was long dead and the other now looking nothing like that any more.  I mean, so obvious that I was all the way down in uncanny valley.  How is it that some people are fooled, whereas my primitive senses kicked in and gave me the heebie jeebies?  Quite interesting.  I would have just assumed that it was as obvious to everyone as it was to me.  Differences in the output quality of the projectors?  Just the lifelong side-effect of being a graphics whore?  So curious.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Quinton on December 22, 2016, 02:58:21 AM
I had rewatched some of the original Star Wars just a day or two prior to seeing Rogue One (little did I know the optimal time to watch it is *immediately* afterwards).  Having a pretty fresh memory of what Tarkin looked like and knowing the actor was dead, combined with there just being something a little off about cgi-Targin, pretty much left me entirely focused on trying to figure what it was that felt so wrong about the character, really distracting me whenever he was on-screen.

Something seemed maybe differently off about cgi-Leia, but she didn't get enough screen time to be really distracting.



Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Rishathra on December 22, 2016, 06:06:41 AM
Saw this last night, and I would like to thank everyone here for boosting my enjoyment of this movie tremendously.  F13 is a useful movie-watching tool for me.  I absorb all the (generally valid) complaints, and then, when I actually watch the movie, I almost always think to myself, "oh, this isn't nearly as bad as everyone made it sound, I actually rather like it!"

I was genuinely impressed by the Tarkin CGI.  It only flickered into the valley for two or three moments, and they were only moments.  Leia looked like she was wearing half an inch of makeup, but otherwise good.

Vader looked great, I really didn't notice that his costume looked all that cheap or shitty looking.  I did feel that his neck piece flared out much more than it did in other movies.  Maybe the actor in this one just had a thicker neck, I guess?  James Earl Jones sounded great.  I seem to remember that there was a word he said that didn't sound very Vaderey, but it was literally just one word.  Watching him wreck EVERYTHING when he shows up at the end was very satisfying.

I think I liked Krennic better than most because I realized that he is meant to be a shitty villain.  He wants to be Tarkin the way Kylo Ren wants to be Vader, and both suck at it.  Yeah, you don't take him seriously as the antagonist, but you aren't meant to.

The characterization overall is actually better than I think people are giving credit for, but the movie never properly slows down enough to give us nice 'character moments.'  The moments do happen, but they happen while fifteen other plot things are happening, and get lost in the chaos.

The speechifying was definitely a little too thick, really my only genuine complaint.  In particular, the Galen Erso hologram goes on for a REEEEEAALLLY long time, and any emotional resonance he is supposed to generate drains away and is replaced by, "dude, we get it, shut up already."


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Slyfeind on December 22, 2016, 06:27:54 AM
Going back to the CGI bit, there is something interesting at play here.  In neither case did it really bother me much, even if I thought it was unnecessary.  That said, it was HUGELY obvious to me that both of them were CGI, and it has nothing to do with the fact that I knew the one actor was long dead and the other now looking nothing like that any more.  I mean, so obvious that I was all the way down in uncanny valley.  How is it that some people are fooled, whereas my primitive senses kicked in and gave me the heebie jeebies?  Quite interesting.  I would have just assumed that it was as obvious to everyone as it was to me.  Differences in the output quality of the projectors?  Just the lifelong side-effect of being a graphics whore?  So curious.

Yeah, it's weird. Tarkin reminded me of Falcor the Luck Dragon from Neverending Story, with all the weird slow simultaneous eyebrows-and-mouth too-smooth head motions, etc. But the people I saw it with honestly thought they found a look-alike to play him. Leia meanwhile was perfect for me. I'm starting to think there's something fundamental about what we as individuals look for in human movement, and everybody sees something different. Kind of like how cilantro tastes like soap to some people, so Tarkin looks like a muppet to others.

Overall Rogue One was one of my favorite Star Wars movies so far. I was glad it was light on characterization. I didn't need to see a father-daughter flashback or how Chirrut and Baze met or whatnot.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: jgsugden on December 22, 2016, 08:17:49 AM
Let's face it though: Tarkin and Leia looked more lifelike than Hayden Christiensen did in the prequels...





Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Zetor on December 22, 2016, 10:06:11 AM
I really like that the cleansing means we no longer even need to discuss how the EU was always a steaming pile of non-canon horseshit.

Disney made a friend in me that day.
Today I've learned that a significant character in the EU (member of Wraith Squadron etc, from some New Jedi Order Allston book...) who was also involved in the storyline of that dude with lightsaber knees/ellbows is named Baljos Arnjak.
The title of Ep1 Phantom Menace in Hungarian is "Baljós Árnyak".

That is all.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Soln on December 22, 2016, 11:48:16 AM
I have no complaints.  Saw it only yesterday.  Better as a film than maybe all the other ones.  Second best maybe to Empire as a SW film.  It did what I really hoped, which was bring new stories to the canon.  I wasn't sure of Tarkin and was hugely surprised to see him as a character.  I thought it was an actor with makeup.  And the end was superb to tie in ANH.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on December 23, 2016, 02:36:01 PM
Saw it today with the husband. Absolutely loved it. I'd read this whole thread so I knew to expect what happened to the team, but damn, that was perfectly done. I thought they did a good job showing the relationship growing between Jyn and Cassian but was so glad they avoided having them kiss. I was actually saying to myself "please don't have them kiss".

I was really paying attention for the CGI on Tarkin and Leia and she was so shown so briefly that it was fine. Tarkin definitely looked off around the eyes a few times. Everything else looked great. Was it here someone said people were hitching about female pilots being retconned in? I probably wouldn't have really noticed if I hadn't heard it mentioned.

I'm having some trouble with R2D2 and C-3PO being on Yavin though. I thought they got there with the ANH crew, but that implies they'd been on Yavin for a while. Now I want to watch ANH again. Wonder where my DVD is...


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: TheWalrus on December 23, 2016, 03:21:21 PM
Leia with the plans at the very beginning of the movie implies the droids left Yavin base with her.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: TheWalrus on December 23, 2016, 03:24:13 PM
Also, anyone seen this in 3D? Worth it, or nah?


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: MahrinSkel on December 23, 2016, 03:33:22 PM
Also, anyone seen this in 3D? Worth it, or nah?

It was okay in 3D. But I only get 3D when the 2D shows are sold out, like this was, so I may not be the best judge.

--Dave


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on December 23, 2016, 03:45:54 PM
Ok saw it in 3D and thought it was fine, but I generalizing have any issues with it though.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Surlyboi on December 23, 2016, 06:25:33 PM
Just saw it again in IMAX 3D. Not much of difference except for the Death Star damage shots and the star destroyer collision. It made those scenes awesome.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Riggswolfe on December 23, 2016, 06:38:29 PM
I think there was a lot more stuff about Jyn, Orson, and Saw that was axed. You don't cast those two guys for basically cameos. I have nothing to base this on other than what I saw up there on the screen, but I think they way upped the pew-pew and ditched a lot of the main character arc during the recutting/reshoots.

There is that bit in the Trailers with younger, bald Saw giving his speech about "What will you become when they find you?"  which is, like a lot of trailer shots, not in the movie.



Speaking of, I don't think I've ever seen a movie with as many shots that were in the trailers that weren't in the final film. There are several articles out there that catalog them and try to theorize about what changed.





Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Ard on December 23, 2016, 10:00:00 PM
Well, they did do a fairly major set of reshoots that worried people a while back.  I think it's safe to say they made the right call on doing them.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: eldaec on December 24, 2016, 03:17:20 AM
Also, anyone seen this in 3D? Worth it, or nah?


It is never "worth it" to lose 70% of the contrast and give yourself a headache for a shitty distracting pseudo "3d" effect.

However, Rogue One was shot in the correct number of Ds so watching  the crappy post production "3d" version would be a very poor life choice.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Furiously on December 25, 2016, 12:36:45 AM
Finally saw it tonight in IMAX 3d.  I turned to my wife at one point and said, "They could have just called this the Magnificent Six." (It was a better film than the Magnificent 7).

I felt like they had too much subsurface scattering on Tarkin and Leia, they both glowed a bit too much to look like real people, her skin tone hid it better though.  I felt like Saw was the weakest character in the movie.

I look forward to watching it on Bluray at a later date.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Setanta on December 25, 2016, 05:41:04 AM
Saw this tonight - I think that Lucas just got schooled on how to write/direct/produce a Star Wars movie. I finally found a droid I liked (I hate 3P0 and R2), Leia was a bit jarring but Tarkin was fine because I knew he was dead but the CGI was good.

Was it just me or was that the most badass I've seen Vader? As opposed to him going 1:1, he absolutely wrecked the rebels.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: IainC on December 25, 2016, 06:23:37 AM
Was it just me or was that the most badass I've seen Vader? As opposed to him going 1:1, he absolutely wrecked the rebels.
Yeah, the movie really built up why the Rebellion was so afraid of Vader, he's just an unstoppable monster in combat.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: HaemishM on December 25, 2016, 11:11:39 AM
In the little amount of time I played the latest Star Wars: Battlefront, that was exactly the way the Vader powerup worked. One dude just straight up wrecking piles of Rebel scum, stacking bodies at his feet like cordwood.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on December 25, 2016, 11:38:54 AM
Was it just me or was that the most badass I've seen Vader? As opposed to him going 1:1, he absolutely wrecked the rebels.
Yeah, the movie really built up why the Rebellion was so afraid of Vader, he's just an unstoppable monster in combat.

I think what R! did best was add to the original trilogy lore and mythology in a way the prequels never did. We get a real feeling for why the rebellion is so desperate and just how much is riding on this.  Plus we get to see how terrifying the empire could really be.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Khaldun on December 25, 2016, 04:46:37 PM
We saw it yesterday. It was really good, I thought. I liked it all.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: jgsugden on December 25, 2016, 08:10:12 PM
I wonder if this movie will redirect the Rebels cartoon at all.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Phildo on December 25, 2016, 08:11:16 PM
It still feels like the universe is really tiny and that you could travel from one end to the other in a matter of minutes via hyperspace.  Either that, or all of the planets in this movie are particularly close together.  Otherwise, I enjoyed this one a lot.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Abagadro on December 25, 2016, 08:36:21 PM
I wonder if this movie will redirect the Rebels cartoon at all.


Saw is apparently showing up in it soon.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Surlyboi on December 25, 2016, 09:02:14 PM
And Chopper was at the Rebel base on Yavin. Along with a call for a General Syndulla. Also, the Ghost was one of the ships at the battle of Scarif.

(http://a.dilcdn.com/bl/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2016/12/rogueone-ghostB.jpg)


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Threash on December 27, 2016, 09:26:36 AM
Well after watching ANH for the first time in a long while i gotta say Peter Cushing was a weird ass waxy looking motherfucker and his CGI was dead on.  It just looks weird cause that's what he really looked like.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: calapine on December 27, 2016, 09:41:47 AM
No opinion in this fight, but here is are all Grand Moff Tarkin Scenes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtY3bsHVSTw) back to back in one video for your viewing pleasure.

Without the make-up and all: Peter Cushing on playing Grand Moff Tarkin on carpet slippers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdXLDvx_tHQ)


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: calapine on December 27, 2016, 10:02:20 AM
Iconic Star Wars Actress Carrie Fisher Dies at 60: 'She Was Loved by the World and She Will Be Missed Profoundly' (http://people.com/movies/carrie-fisher-dies/)

 :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Ironwood on December 28, 2016, 07:36:55 AM
Film was fucking awesome, all the way through.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Abagadro on December 28, 2016, 10:11:06 PM
So seeing the ending scene with Darth and Carrie dying reminds me of the most vivid dream I have ever had in my life. It was 37 some odd years ago but I still remember it.  I was one of the dudes in a helmet that sets up on the Tantive IV right before the troopers burn through the door.  I survive the initial engagement and duck behind a door into another room off the main hallway, suddenly Vader enters the doorway and looms over me.  I take aim with my blaster and all that comes out is one of those little suction cup darts. It goes plonk and sticks to Vader right in the eye of his helmet. I have a momentary flash of furious anger at my little brother (that I don't actually have) for switching out my blaster with his dart gun followed by Vader taking his light saber and bringing it down on me. I woke up just as he hits me with it.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Cyrrex on December 28, 2016, 11:47:54 PM
Your fake little brother's a dick.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Abagadro on December 28, 2016, 11:51:20 PM
I know right!


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: calapine on December 29, 2016, 01:43:22 AM
Perfectly normal dream. For a 12 year old.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Abagadro on December 29, 2016, 01:51:42 AM
The other one I remember from around that exact same time period was being chased through my house by a T-Rex and waking up right as he was about to eat me.  Paging Carl Jung, Dr. Jung to the thread please.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Phildo on December 29, 2016, 04:39:43 PM
Wonder if that's the same T-Rex that used to chase me, too.  I had recurring childhood dreams of being chased by him while trying to run away in slow motion.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Hutch on December 29, 2016, 05:23:55 PM
I wonder if this is how the Pixar guys thought up Monsters Inc.
"When I was a child, I dreamed of a furry green troll lurking in my bedroom closet.'
"Hey me too!"
"Go Picture!"


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Surlyboi on December 29, 2016, 05:49:24 PM
I had a recurring dream of getting into lightsaber fights with a jawa in the playground of my elementary school.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Threash on December 29, 2016, 06:25:09 PM
I dreamt my parents were evil wizards and i was the only one who could stop their evil wizard plot.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Brolan on December 30, 2016, 12:07:03 PM
I dreamt my parents were evil wizards and i was the only one who could stop their evil wizard plot.

This is real, they cast a spell to make you think it was a dream.  YOU MUST STOP THEM!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Shannow on December 30, 2016, 12:17:37 PM
Stay on target..


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: IainC on December 30, 2016, 12:46:45 PM
When I was a kid I had an awesome series of dreams that revolved around me having a pet anklyosaurus. I still have occasional dreams where I can sort of fly. By which I mean I'll dream that I'm walking along and then all of a sudden my feet don't touch the ground and I'm hovering on some kind of upwards force - like there are really strong magnets in my shoes that are being repelled by equally strong magnets in the ground. If I'm careful I can carry on walking like that, just off the floor.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: calapine on December 30, 2016, 04:16:46 PM
When I was a kid I had an awesome series of dreams that revolved around me having a pet anklyosaurus. I still have occasional dreams where I can sort of fly. By which I mean I'll dream that I'm walking along and then all of a sudden my feet don't touch the ground and I'm hovering on some kind of upwards force - like there are really strong magnets in my shoes that are being repelled by equally strong magnets in the ground. If I'm careful I can carry on walking like that, just off the floor.

Look, no one cares about your shitty dreams. This is the Rogue One thread!




Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Abagadro on December 30, 2016, 05:23:02 PM
Sorry for the derail.

On topic, Ben Mendelsohn has confirmed that they radically changed the movie during the reshoots

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/rogue-one-alternate-scenes-ben-mendelsohn-says-enormously-version-exists-959791



Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Brolan on December 30, 2016, 08:13:44 PM
I thought it was a serviceable movie, but something was missing that I couldn't put my finger on.  At least until I saw the brief Plinkett You Tube video.

It's amazing how he can illustrate the exact problems with the more recent SW movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJgfxlgUIZY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJgfxlgUIZY)


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: TheWalrus on December 30, 2016, 10:07:58 PM
Jesus fuck, that's an awful review. I mean, I suppose it's great if you mainly trade in cynical hate of everything, but other than that, what worthless shite.

If you come into this film not knowing any Star Wars background, yeah, you're gonna be fucking lost. Also, I have no sympathy for you. Enjoy your splosions and shut the fuck up. The rest of us know what the Force is, and who the bad guy was, and if we were paying even the slightest attention to the movie in between our damn kids getting up to go to the bathroom, and losing their 3d glasses when they came back, we even understood the power dynamic between them all.

Sorry fat toothless fuck didn't like the characters. I loved em. They weren't larger than life heroes, because they weren't meant to be. This was the first war film I can remember that showed the people who got shit done and got no mention in history. Sure, everyone remembers Leia, she got captured and rescued! And the guys that rescued her? Awesome! Dude even has a giant bear for a friend! Neato! But none of that would matter a whit if it weren't for the nameless dead who brought the plans out. The Rebellion would have been absolutely smashed. And I thought for the time that we had in the movie to do character development, that they did damn well, with the minor gripe about Saw being fucking worthless as far as giving a damn goes. He was a tool to move plot. Fine. Grr.

Sorry some folks aren't going to like it. Not everybody is going to like everything. I thought it was the best Star Wars show, or at least tied for first, and I'll be buying that bitch the day it comes out.

Also, dude was wrong and I hate him now.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Abagadro on December 30, 2016, 11:12:40 PM
Heh. I enjoyed the movie but think Mike is absolutely right in assessing it as a film (which is what he is talking about here).  It's 100% dependent on exogenous info to make any sense or have any resonance whatsoever.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: HaemishM on December 30, 2016, 11:19:51 PM
Or in another words, it's a sequel/prequel?  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Abagadro on December 30, 2016, 11:43:51 PM
I think it is more than that.  There is usually at least some short-hand establishment dialogue to at least establish a lot of that.  Thinking about RoTJ or FA (both of which I have watched in the last two week), there is TONS of dialogue that sets up prior relationships/plot points on how they got to where they are.  R1 had none of that at all.

I walked out of Rogue One (which again, I enjoyed) and other than Jyn (since they said the name so much) or prior characters I knew from other films, I couldn't tell you a single new character's name (had to look them up later) and none of them had any backstory whatsoever.  You know more about Ben Kenobi after 3 minutes of SW than you know about any of the R1 characters after the whole movie.  
  


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Velorath on December 31, 2016, 04:58:52 AM
Heh. I enjoyed the movie but think Mike is absolutely right in assessing it as a film (which is what he is talking about here).  It's 100% dependent on exogenous info to make any sense or have any resonance whatsoever.

That's fine but I don't know how helpful it is to examine the movie while putting yourself in the mindset of someone completely unfamiliar with Star Wars. Rogue One does have a lot of problems (lack of characterization being the biggest for me). Some hypothetical viewer not knowing who Darth Vader is or that he can force choke people is far down the list of issues. I can't see spreading 5 additional minutes of exposition in throughout the movie making an improvement. The notion just reminds me of old comic books where every single issue there's a scene where the characters all address each other by name and work in a description of each of their powers at some point.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: eldaec on December 31, 2016, 06:55:09 AM
Or in another words, it's a sequel/prequel?  :why_so_serious:

A better defence is that you can say the same to some degree about all historical fiction. War films generally rely on events that already have meaning to the viewer.

When they rely on the viewer understanding that a death star is bad or Darth Vader is scary that's fine. If the referencing squeezes out characters actually in this movie it is bad.

I need to watch it at least twice to decide what I think on sonething like this because on a first watch I'm entirely distracted by XWings and ATATs.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Trippy on December 31, 2016, 03:31:37 PM
Some hypothetical viewer not knowing who Darth Vader is or that he can force choke people is far down the list of issues. I can't see spreading 5 additional minutes of exposition in throughout the movie making an improvement.
They didn't explain that in the original either.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Trippy on December 31, 2016, 03:47:57 PM
Nope, there's even dialog to that effect in the movie.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Viin on December 31, 2016, 11:08:28 PM
I got to see this in a tiny theater in a mountain ski resort, but it was good even on crappy chairs.

The best part was the last 5 minutes, and the 15 mins leading up to it. I really like how they tied into Star Wars Ep 4 (which I watched a couple of nights later, worked very well).  Everything was great, but I found the robot-as-comic-relief annoying.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Rasix on December 31, 2016, 11:36:48 PM
I got to see this finally.  Alone, but at least I got to see it.

Really enjoyed it. Well, everything but the CGI'd dead/aged humans. Leia looked like Shrek. Tarkin was OK in some scenes and in others he looked like he was mainlining collagen. The uncanny valley is strong.

It was nice going in knowing nothing more than the end point of the story, and I thought they handled that very well.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: SurfD on January 01, 2017, 04:03:44 AM
I got to see this finally.  Alone, but at least I got to see it.

Really enjoyed it. Well, everything but the CGI'd dead/aged humans. Leia looked like Shrek. Tarkin was OK in some scenes and in others he looked like he was mainlining collagen. The uncanny valley is strong.

It was nice going in knowing nothing more than the end point of the story, and I thought they handled that very well.
It actually boggles my mind how movies like the Jungle Book and Life of Pi can do CGI animals down to individual hairs that look so realistic you pretty much can't tell where the real animals are in the shots (if there are any at all), yet we still can't manage to do humans that don't somehow trigger the Uncanny Valley detectors.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on January 01, 2017, 10:15:12 AM
I got to see this finally.  Alone, but at least I got to see it.

Really enjoyed it. Well, everything but the CGI'd dead/aged humans. Leia looked like Shrek. Tarkin was OK in some scenes and in others he looked like he was mainlining collagen. The uncanny valley is strong.

It was nice going in knowing nothing more than the end point of the story, and I thought they handled that very well.
It actually boggles my mind how movies like the Jungle Book and Life of Pi can do CGI animals down to individual hairs that look so realistic you pretty much can't tell where the real animals are in the shots (if there are any at all), yet we still can't manage to do humans that don't somehow trigger the Uncanny Valley detectors.

Because those animals are just as "fake" looking as the humans but it's a lot harder for us to tell since they are completely different species.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Merusk on January 01, 2017, 12:11:42 PM
Yep. The life of Pi tiger looked fake to me. However I've spent a not-usual amount of time of my life looking at all kinds of cats.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: eldaec on January 01, 2017, 09:04:48 PM
I found both Pi and Jungle Book to be films to admire rather than enjoy - precisely because of the soulless uncanny valley cgi.

It wasn't just the animals - the backgrounds all had a horrid, over saturated, bad HDR look with too much too consistent detailing on everything.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Cyrrex on January 01, 2017, 10:10:07 PM
I think this thread has also unscientifically proven to me that some people can't be easily fooled, while others have brains that seem to adapt and accept.  We already know this has something to do with our primitive instincts and ability to recognize any kind of "wrongness" in human facial patterns.  The interesting part to me is how strong the instinct is in some of us, while some of you motherfuckers don't even notice.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Teleku on January 01, 2017, 10:16:07 PM
The two CGI characters in this movie looked perfect.  Honestly couldn't tell.  Life of Pi tiger also looked totally real, and I had assumed it really was (I knew the two Star Wars characters had to be CGI or video edited somehow for obvious reasons).


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Rasix on January 01, 2017, 10:33:36 PM
Are you sure? Take another look.

Quote from: Teleku
That doesn't look like anything to me.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Soulflame on January 01, 2017, 11:39:20 PM
Tarkin looked okay, but he moved like a video game character.  He didn't wobble.  He moved sharply.

Leia looked horribly hilariously fake.  Like that scene was added last minute, and they grabbed some assets from a LucasArts game in lieu of trying to render her better.

I enjoyed the movie, although like many others, I couldn't tell you the name of anyone other than Jyn.   :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Sky on January 02, 2017, 09:34:56 AM
Loved it. Possibly my second favorite SW flick. Fiancee liked it but was a bit lost as a casual watcher (in her opinion, SW is the love story of Han and Leia and she hates the prequels because of Aniken/Padme). I did a lot of whispering references ("that's Bael Organa, Leia's father" that kinda thing). She had me explain about half the movie over wings and beer after  :grin:


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Teleku on January 02, 2017, 02:43:42 PM
Are you sure? Take another look.

Quote from: Teleku
That doesn't look like anything to me.
Ok, guess I'm missing the reference here.  Little more help?   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Brolan on January 02, 2017, 05:45:18 PM
Are you sure? Take another look.

Quote from: Teleku
That doesn't look like anything to me.
Ok, guess I'm missing the reference here.  Little more help?   :awesome_for_real:

In Westworld the "hosts" are programmed not to see anything that will cause them harm or anything the humans don't want them to see.  They use that line when someone tries to bring their attention to it.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Rasix on January 02, 2017, 11:13:27 PM
It's OK. The reference/joke is a bit of a stretch.

I just don't see how a human being would see that human CGI as "perfect". They just looked odd. I'd rather they had just cast other actors and said "this is Tarkin now, deal with it." Instead we got a flesh mask that walked like an AT-ST.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Draegan on January 03, 2017, 07:11:17 AM
Finally saw this with my dad.

Loved every minute of it. The ending with Vader made me squeel with glee.

They could have done more character building but I'm not going to pick on them with a one off.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Threash on January 03, 2017, 07:13:47 AM
The CGI actors looked better than any we've had before, if they keep trying eventually they'll be perfect. Peter Cushing is to weird looking to recast, and Leia could only be Fisher.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Mithas on January 03, 2017, 10:19:21 AM
Regarding CGI:



Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: MediumHigh on January 03, 2017, 11:02:44 AM
CGI Tarkin didn't bother me because my stars wars memory didn't recall Tarkin being in the original film until about 2/3rds of the movie (rogue one) when my brain made a consciousness leap and said "oh wait shouldn't the actor playing that guy be dead?". I think most of you recognize princess leia because she was spank bank material for so long that your brains went "ye gads" when you saw her face. I know I did....


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Shannow on January 04, 2017, 06:43:13 AM
Saw it for a second time (this time in 3d, nope didn't add anything). I do really like this film.

The space battle at the end is what i fucking love about Star Wars. It shiiiiits all over the one from TFA. I could watch two hours of this shit (bring back B and A wings!).


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Paelos on January 04, 2017, 12:28:20 PM
Saw it. Liked it. Wanted more Vader whomping on fools.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: TheWalrus on January 04, 2017, 02:54:42 PM
They were damned lucky he only got as many as he did. That short scene alone was a friggin bloodbath.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Torinak on January 04, 2017, 04:40:40 PM
I think this thread has also unscientifically proven to me that some people can't be easily fooled, while others have brains that seem to adapt and accept.  We already know this has something to do with our primitive instincts and ability to recognize any kind of "wrongness" in human facial patterns.  The interesting part to me is how strong the instinct is in some of us, while some of you motherfuckers don't even notice.

From an evolutionary perspective, it's probably a vestigial survival instinct to spot early stages of deadly diseases that show up as skin/complexion issue--spot it quickly and don't get infected and die.

Some people notice the differences but can look past them, understanding that there's more to someone than superficial physical details. The ones that can't come up with things like the paper bag test (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Paper_Bag_Test).


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: lamaros on January 07, 2017, 11:43:15 PM
Saw it. Not bad, but found it a very odd mix of naff as heck and desperate seriousness.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: SurfD on January 08, 2017, 09:01:28 PM
On a second run through, Tarkin is fairly noticeable as CGI if you are looking for it.  He also has a LOT of relative screen time which gives it more chances to register. I think it has something to do with the shading / shadows.  He is old, and and his face just didn't seem to have the right look you would expect from someone with that many creases / age weathering.  Especially when you are given the chance to directly compare him to several other "older" looking people who appear in the same shots.  Sometimes it looked like he was being lit by an entirely different lighting source then the rest of the scene.

Leia on the other hand, only appears for like 2 seconds, and looked 100% human no matter how hard I looked for some flaw to indicate the CGI.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: MahrinSkel on January 08, 2017, 09:05:43 PM
With Leia, there was a waviness about the edges of the face that jumped out at me. I suspect that the theory that it comes down to differences in how we perceive faces is correct.

--Dave


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Cyrrex on January 08, 2017, 10:08:17 PM
I really think it is instinctive to a huge degree, and clearly we register things differently.  It was decent CGI as far as such things go, but they were no more convincing to me than muppet Yoda ever was. 


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: lamaros on January 09, 2017, 05:50:40 AM
They were both laughably bad for me. It made the fan service of it all even worse.

I found all that stuff really heavy handed, worse than TFA.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Bunk on January 09, 2017, 07:25:06 AM
To me that comes down to whether or not you consider just reusing the entire script outline of the first movie as being fanservice or not.

I'll take a handfull of cute throwbacks and cameos over what Force Awakened gave us - it basically felt like a Superhero origin story reboot movie (I still enjoyed it though)


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Samwise on January 09, 2017, 07:35:06 AM
The CGI people were really jarring IMO.  Tarkin looked like he was having a stroke, and Leia looked like she'd just had a major botox treatment.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: IainC on January 09, 2017, 10:38:37 AM
The CGI people were really jarring IMO.  Tarkin looked like he was having a stroke, and Leia looked like she'd just had a major botox treatment.
I spent every scene with Tarkin trying to figure out how they'd done him as I knew Peter Cushing was dead. At first I thought it was just makeup on an actor with similar facial structure or reconstructed footage from Ep 4. Leia was worse IMO. Even then I think she'd have been fine except that the last shot of her lingered about a second too long and let you see all the faults. If they'd cut that shot to the length of her line of dialogue, it would have been much less noticeable.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Samwise on January 09, 2017, 11:45:50 AM
The part they haven't gotten right yet with CGI people is getting their modeled facial muscles to act like the real thing.  It's been a while since I've seen ep 4, but if you put CGI vs real Tarkin side by side I think the differences would be pretty glaring, even though I'm sure the animators spent months going over that same footage trying to match it perfectly.  The expressions in the CGI version end up being overexaggerated to try to cover for the fact that they can't do finer nuances.  Really stands out for a character like Tarkin who was very controlled and reserved.

Personally I think they should've had fewer scenes with him, and had him appear as a wavy hologram instead of in person so they could cover up the CGI flaws.  Or just show him from the back.  Double that for Leia; have a different actress, contrive the shot to not have her face in it.  What they did was close but no cigar, and ten years from now I think it's going to look more dated than the special effects from episode 4.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Khaldun on January 09, 2017, 11:51:47 AM
I think it would have been better to do both of them in long shots mostly. There's something about how skin hangs on bones and musculatures that just doesn't come out right in even the very best rendering. And about the color and texture of skin, too--the way light works off it and through it.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: RhyssaFireheart on January 09, 2017, 06:22:05 PM
The thing that wierded me out the most about Leia was the soft focus and glow around her, or at least that's what I thought I was seeing.  It just looked fake and wrong.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: lamaros on January 09, 2017, 10:43:48 PM
The thing that wierded me out the most about Leia was the soft focus and glow around her, or at least that's what I thought I was seeing.  It just looked fake and wrong.

Aye.

Tarkin generally was just handled like they were really really happy with themselves, and needed to make sure he was front and center in every scene he was in so you could see just how wonderful a job they'd done and p[at them on the head. The fact they felt like "hey kids, this is someone you might remember!!!" instead of just normal scenes made the bad CGI worse.

Anyhow, I don't really get the Star Wars love, I felt like even this was a poor paint by numbers exercise. Where is the imagination in the movies? Aside from some pretty cool geographic CGI I was really let down on this part. Where's the wanderlust? Everything feels so stagey.

I prefer Lucas' self involvement, even when flawed, ahead of this superficial toy shop parade.

Not bad, but not good. I guess I will watch once more of these, but I probably shouldn't, I'm not the audience.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: TheWalrus on January 10, 2017, 09:27:43 AM
Yeah, you should probably drop out of watching these. Obviously not your stuff, man.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Reg on January 10, 2017, 10:12:19 AM
It's times like this when I miss Margalis. Nobody did Stars Wars hate better.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: HaemishM on January 10, 2017, 11:19:56 AM
That's more like Star Wars Meh than Star Wars Hate.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Phildo on January 10, 2017, 02:16:54 PM
My disappointment in the franchise is tempered by the years of, but I'd be happy to step it up a notch if you guys feel there is a market for that sort of thing here.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Reg on January 10, 2017, 02:41:13 PM
I don't think you have it in you.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: lamaros on January 10, 2017, 09:27:22 PM
Ok, one last question for the fans:

What was the point of the directors trip to see Vader? Just so he could choke him and make a bad pun? Was there some other subtlety or plot development there I was missing?


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Cyrrex on January 10, 2017, 10:08:24 PM
Don't think you missed anything.  It was just basically an "aaahhhh yeeeaaaah it's Vader!" scene.  And, well, maybe it is a good idea to fit him in there somewhere instead of just having him show up at the end to wreck some trash mobs.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Torinak on January 10, 2017, 10:42:09 PM
Ok, one last question for the fans:

What was the point of the directors trip to see Vader? Just so he could choke him and make a bad pun? Was there some other subtlety or plot development there I was missing?

IIRC, Tarkin had pretty much taken away the Death Star project. The director went to visit Vader to try to get it back, hence the question about whether the director was still running it which prompted the force-choke.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Ironwood on January 11, 2017, 01:59:39 AM
Yeah, that whole scene was what happens almost daily at your place of employment, minus the lava, bacta tank and Sith Helpers :  The Director got his power taken away from him by a higher up Manager, so he decided to do an end-run around said Manager by going to the CTO.

It was a dick move and highlighted again this guys incompetence, hubris and stupidity because he was basically bypassing Evil Peter to pay a visit to Even-Eviler Paul.

If he'd survived, it wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference to ANH because he was basically a low level flunky with delusions of adequacy.

Fuck him.



Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Phildo on January 11, 2017, 06:27:40 AM
I don't think you have it in you.

Yeah, probably not.  I got through my "they ruined my childhood" phase early when Lucas' people sued the forum I use to role-play on for using the name "Star Wars" and effectively killed the community.  Far fewer people, it seems, were searching for "Space Wars".


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Mandella on January 24, 2017, 11:47:37 AM
Just saw this last week, and I got to say that last scene is one hellava tearjerker now, awkward CGI or no.

And speaking of that, Tarkin's face did look a bit rubbery to me when he first turned around, but then I adapted and it didn't bother me for the rest of the movie. I mean, why would I want to let a somewhat imperfect minor visual effect distract from the rest of an excellent show?

And I agree with Thresh -- Peter Cushing always did look a bit rubbery, even in the best of times.

And furthermore, talking with youngsters who didn't even know Peter Cushing was dead (or, indeed, who he was at all), finds that they didn't even notice anything was off at all, so I really suspect the "bad CGI" is something that the "fans" are just hyper sensitive about.

I did really enjoy the movie -- I found it just the right mix of old and new, the battle scenes were visually stunning and easily followed. I liked the characters, especially Tudyk's Z-whatever (the reprogrammed Imperial Droid), and in fact found myself thinking halfway through the film that I certainly wasn't going to mind following this gang around for two or three more movies!

:/


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Samwise on January 24, 2017, 04:56:27 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/gxGgzXt.gif)


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Ironwood on January 25, 2017, 06:36:42 AM
wtf


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Soln on January 25, 2017, 08:13:38 PM
One of the Red Letter Media casts, taking a shit on Rogue One.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Ironwood on January 26, 2017, 02:30:15 AM
Because they don't like good films, or because they like clicks ?


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: HaemishM on January 26, 2017, 07:41:22 AM
It can be both.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Rendakor on January 30, 2017, 05:08:14 PM
Saw this last Saturday, loved it. My only complaint was the lack of scrolling yellow text at the beginning. #2, behind Empire.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: TheWalrus on January 31, 2017, 12:23:26 PM
Yeah, that bummed me a bit.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Amarr HM on April 17, 2017, 10:36:57 AM
Took me a while to eventually see this on dvd, I was expecting it be better, wasn't bad. More good than bad, Force awakens allowed you care more for the characters, I'm not sure why I felt so removed from the main characters. Speaking of which Forest Whitaker was a let down of Ewan McGregor proportions, Sol Guerrero was probably the most annoying character since Binks. On the plus side, everything else was amazing.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: jgsugden on April 17, 2017, 11:15:35 AM
They jumped into action too quickly and didn't let you grow to care about the characters before they were put in jeopardy.  That is why we don't care about them and it feels a bit flat.  On a second viewing you care a bit more about the characters because you spent the first viewing with them.  They'd have been wise to have spent a few more moments with the characters to make them endearing - an exchange between Jyn Erso and a fellow prisoner that gave us insight into who she had become before we see the 'jail break' could have done a lot to draw us into the film.  As long as we connect to Jyn, the film works.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: eldaec on April 17, 2017, 02:30:46 PM
Now its on dvd, glad to have seen it again and had my view that it is a good film confirmed.

TFA really didn't stand multiple viewings (except on Jakku), but this does. Thoughts after a couple more viewings...

Tarkin is less of a big deal when you are no longer watching every tick to the exclusion of everything else in frame. It is basically fine - we're all just hypersensitive about this shit because of George fucking Lucas.

The Darth Vader / Krennic scene really does not need to be in this film. And Darth Vader should never be doing bad puns.

The proportion of K2SO's dialog that is a punchline is just a little too high. It gets to the point where the fact he is speaking telegraphs that this will be a joke.

The balance of reusing ideas/styles/equipment/jokes from previous films works well in the core story. But there are too many obvious easter egg script inserts. The guys from the Mos Eisley cantina really did not need to be in this.

The ending is satisfying in a way that no star wars film has been since the first one.

I love how little they feel the need to explain shit in this film.

Seeing the death star from the PoV of the people about to get blown up is properly scary and a great use of us never having seen that before.

The whole film feels like they had more confidence in what they were doing than tFA did.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Amarr HM on April 17, 2017, 04:02:41 PM
They jumped into action too quickly and didn't let you grow to care about the characters before they were put in jeopardy.

Yep agreed, I would have liked to seen how Jyn developed under Guerrero (except having to be subjected to more of Whitakers' over-acting). But that was definitely I think the root of the problem not getting enough back story, or any injected story lines.

Agreed on the Darth Vader pun, it definitely jarred. Somebody else was reading the Jeffrey Brown illustrations to their kids.

The ending was great with Vader ripping through everyone but then slightly messed up by cgi Leia, more bride of Frankenstein. Really should have obscured her and I think we would have got the idea. They were at times using a sledgehammer to crack the nut.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: eldaec on April 18, 2017, 01:14:41 AM
I thought cgi Leia was fine. The thing that jarred in that scene was that it had none of the urgency and tension that the previous shots were full of. Was clearly put together by a different team. The flat 'serious people lined up' construction was reminiscent of the terrible closing shots from aNH, RotJ and tPM.

Also, I didn't need more origin story, but would have appreciated more time on the blue rainy planet for Jan Ors to grow more and demonstrate her competence in leading the team. I didn't buy the way the hardbitten rebel saboteurs all join her suicide mission without her having demonstrated any ability to lead it. The emotional development is fine - it just needs a little agency to go along with it.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: eldaec on April 18, 2017, 01:20:07 AM
Oh I just remembered my second least favourite 'stop the film for an easter egg insert' moment...

"HEY I HAVE NO NAME BUT AM RED FIVE, THATS RED FIVE, YES RED FIVE REMEMBER LUKE SKYWALKERS CALLSIGN! HOWEVER WILL A VACANCY ARISE FOR LUKE SKYWALKER WHO IS ALSO RED FIVE OH I DIED"



Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Cyrrex on April 18, 2017, 01:41:49 AM
Blah blah blah blah Jan Ors blah blah


Heh.  Jyn Erso, I think you mean, though there is a resemblance. 

I agree with your point, though.  I think she was quite unmemorable in general, and I had to suspend my disbelief (which I am good at) in order to buy into the fact that these guys would go along with her at all.  To me, this whole movie was audio/visual spectacle, and I am fine with that.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: eldaec on April 18, 2017, 01:45:56 AM
All it needed was the team to achieve something on that platform and for Jan to bark a few orders into a comlink to make it happen.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: calapine on May 20, 2017, 02:10:53 PM
Finally seen it and found it underwhelming.

The fan-service space-battle sections where the only remarkable moment, the entire middle part felt like a long bore.

Similar with the characters, Krennic with his burning ambition showed more personality than Jynn.

Edit: The Vader scene was nice, frankly. No fine sword play but him hacking and slashing through rebel soldiers meat. Showed why he is Vader and feared.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Chimpy on July 23, 2017, 03:18:51 PM
This popped up on Netflix.

Watched it this morning, thought it was decent. Can't say how I would rate it against the other movies because I really don't care enough about Star Wars anymore to think that hard about it.





Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Sky on July 23, 2017, 06:51:36 PM
I've already watched it twice on Netflix. It's a fucking awesome movie, tied for my favorite with Empire and ANH, I decided they're all amazing in their own ways. I want to see TFA a couple more times to see how I feel about it, seeing it in the theater on release weekend was too biasing.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Merusk on July 23, 2017, 07:59:27 PM
I am biased. I love this movie and ignore its weaknesses. The same for TFA. What people bitch about most, I enjoy.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Draegan on July 24, 2017, 04:37:17 AM
I'm travelling this week. Will watch again.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: calapine on July 24, 2017, 05:05:38 AM
It's a fucking awesome movie, tied for my favorite with Empire and ANH.

But that is completely false! Sometimes I wish it was possible to stop people from having wrong opinions... *sigh*


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Sir T on July 25, 2017, 09:27:14 AM
But, if that happened, everyone would wind up agreeing with me...  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Tale on April 30, 2018, 06:57:46 AM
I just watched this a second time (first at the movies, now on Netflix).

I FUCKING LOVED IT. There should be no debate about the greatness of Rogue One. If you don't like it, watch it again on Netflix until you do.

It's way better and far more Star Warsy than the mess that is the emo Kylo new Death Star deeply unsatisfying "main" new trilogy.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Shannow on April 30, 2018, 11:34:47 AM
I just watched this a second time (first at the movies, now on Netflix).

I FUCKING LOVED IT. There should be no debate about the greatness of Rogue One. If you don't like it, watch it again on Netflix until you do.

It's way better and far more Star Warsy than the mess that is the emo Kylo new Death Star deeply unsatisfying "main" new trilogy.

2 out of 3 Australians agree (and fuck the 3rd guy)


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Teleku on May 01, 2018, 08:41:15 AM
My argument in the Last Jedi thread basically boiled down to 'SEE THIS MOVIE!?!?!?!'


I've watched this movie multiple times now, and I almost NEVER re-watch movies.  It is awesome and probably the best Star Wars movie ever put to film.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: MediumHigh on May 01, 2018, 11:47:46 AM
When I thought Disney was going to pump out Star Wars movies I was hoping they will look something more like this. Unfortunately whatever talent that went into making this wasn't shared with the rest of the studio.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Threash on May 01, 2018, 02:58:45 PM
Let's keep mind this movie had to be extensively reshot before it wasn't crap.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: TheWalrus on May 01, 2018, 03:40:52 PM
I love how little they feel the need to explain shit in this film.

This is also cute considering TLJ thread.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Tale on May 01, 2018, 10:24:07 PM
Let's keep mind this movie had to be extensively reshot before it wasn't crap.

Depends whether you think having the editor of Suicide Squad "reconceptualize" Rogue One really improved it or not :)

https://vimeo.com/196155136


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: eldaec on May 02, 2018, 12:21:01 AM
Let's keep mind this movie had to be extensively reshot before it wasn't crap.

At this point I get the impression this is something people say about every blockbuster ever.

But even if the whole film was rewritten and reshot, I don't care, it worked.

I liked tLJ but this is better.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Shannow on May 02, 2018, 04:20:30 AM
Let's keep mind this movie had to be extensively reshot before it wasn't crap.

At this point I get the impression this is something people say about every blockbuster ever.

But even if the whole film was rewritten and reshot, I don't care, it worked.

I liked tLJ but this is better.

Why the fuck does it matter that they did reshoots? Did they make you see the original edit first? No, so um who gives a flying fuck?


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: jgsugden on May 03, 2018, 09:04:49 AM
A reshoot is just a very late rewrite, and every script is rewritten a gazillion times before it is made.

Except crap.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Sky on May 03, 2018, 01:16:44 PM
I feel it was in some ways better prior to the changes (more rebellion/freedom fighters themed than hopeful).

But the reshoots also got us the single best scene in the entire franchise, so I'm coo wit dat.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Threash on May 03, 2018, 03:26:31 PM

But the reshoots also got us the single best scene in the entire franchise, so I'm coo wit dat.

Which was? Vader i assume?


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: calapine on May 04, 2018, 01:20:58 AM
Rogue One is not Prequels level pants-on-the-head and has some good scenes but overall it's not a great film.

I am glad we can agree on this.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Teleku on May 04, 2018, 01:39:32 AM
Its the best Star Wars film ever made.  Which I guess for many people can still be interpreted as not a great film.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: calapine on May 04, 2018, 03:16:25 AM
Its the best Star Wars film ever made.

It's not. Stop trolling.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Ironwood on May 04, 2018, 03:21:10 AM
You said it's not a great film, but others are trolling ?

This one really boils down to your personal opinion, so everyone should butt out.  It's a pointless argument.

Mostly solved by the 'How Much Money Did It Make' crowd.



Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Rendakor on May 04, 2018, 06:09:00 AM
I think I like Empire better, but R1 is a close second.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: calapine on May 04, 2018, 06:18:10 AM
This one really boils down to your personal opinion, so everyone should butt out.

Well, of course people can have different personal tastes, but I saw this as one of the areas where there is a canon of right and wrong opinions one cannot go outside if one wants to be a serious person.

Examples would be:

OT > Prequells
PC Users > Console Users
Linux Users > Windows Users
Apple users are brainwashed sheep / arrogant assholes
WoW: Warriors players > Paladin players
WoW: Warlock players > Mage players
Dune and LOTR are great.
The sequel was good but the didn't match the first film.
The film adaption was good, but have to read the book. [With the exemption of film "xyx"]
etc etc.

Oh well!

Edit: UO Trammel was a shitty idea.
Edit 2: I might be slightly  tongue in cheek here. But also semi-serious. It's always sort of sad finding out a person you like and think you know doesn't appreciate something you hold dear.  :heartbreak:


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: HaemishM on May 04, 2018, 08:08:43 AM
Empire was better than Rogue One, but only by a little. It's a better film than every other Star Wars movie including Star Wars and it's not even close.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: calapine on May 04, 2018, 08:42:46 AM
Empire was better than Rogue One, but only by a little. It's a better film than every other Star Wars movie including Star Wars and it's not even close.

Sigh...ok. I set up an online poll:


(https://i.imgur.com/FkpJ70S.png)

https://doodle.com/poll/zki4995vu97s38si


(note that the Lucas-prequels aren't listed, because...No, not on my watch!)


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: HaemishM on May 04, 2018, 11:14:46 AM
Empire is the best.

FITE ME!


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Bunk on May 04, 2018, 11:19:42 AM
5, 4, R1, 7, 6, 2, 8, 1, 3.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Mandella on May 04, 2018, 11:40:42 AM
I really enjoyed Rogue One at the theater, but I have to admit part of the reason might have been that I wasn't expecting it to be.

That said, it really does hold up on rewatch, IMHO. The characters achieve a very natural chemistry with each other pretty early on, and I still find myself looking forward to more movies chronicling their continued adventures....

 :oh_i_see:


I do think that aforementioned chemistry is what makes or breaks a Star Wars film. The original trilogy had that, and it carried them through whatever other bad decisions were made plot and story and even acting wise (even Ewoks). The prequels really didn't, to say it mildly.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: calapine on May 04, 2018, 11:48:12 AM
I really enjoyed Rogue One at the theater, but I have to admit part of the reason might have been that I wasn't expecting it to be.

That said, it really does hold up on rewatch, IMHO. The characters achieve a very natural chemistry with each other pretty early on, and I still find myself looking forward to more movies chronicling their continued adventures....


Just to be clear, R1 is perfectly (re-)watchtable!  But interesting that you say chemistry, which I thought was one of the things exactly lacking. I found the main character girl extremely "meh" and that goes for the entire good guygirl cast.

The only one who seemed to really care and have emotion and thus shined for me Krennic. And what confirms it to me right now is that I can remember several moments/quotes with him that stand out. But none for Jyn.


Edit: And for all the flaws the sequel films have, that they did right: I liked both Rey and Radar Technician Matt. In my sexy-time head-canon they are making out together before going off to rule the galaxy!


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Rendakor on May 04, 2018, 12:00:11 PM
Empire was better than Rogue One, but only by a little. It's a better film than every other Star Wars movie including Star Wars and it's not even close.

Sigh...ok. I set up an online poll:


(https://i.imgur.com/FkpJ70S.png)

https://doodle.com/poll/zki4995vu97s38si


(note that the Lucas-prequels aren't listed, because...No, not on my watch!)
Just like our elections, this poll needs ranked choice voting. :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: calapine on May 04, 2018, 12:06:08 PM
Just like our elections, this poll needs ranked choice voting. :why_so_serious:

You are right.  :heart:

I changed the poll, you can select more than one film now (even if you already voted). Just click on the "Pen" symbol to re-open the selection, then pick one more film.

(https://i.imgur.com/Vn9pVI7.png)

There is no hard limit, but Id say best to pick just 2 or max 3 films to have a sort of meaningful result.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Bunk on May 04, 2018, 12:13:08 PM
updated, but I think its just going to homogenize your poll. Unless there's actually anyone out there that doesn't think the three best were 4, 5 and R1.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Sky on May 04, 2018, 01:28:52 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Q0bbS9b.jpg)


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: calapine on May 04, 2018, 02:25:28 PM
https://i.imgur.com/Q0bbS9b.jpg

Sky, I fucking hope you don't mean me with this. :oh_i_see: At worst I drunk-post, but I don't troll.


And - just re-watched R1 - I have to somewhat correct myself. If you take it as a non-main-story-film that is playing in the SW universe it captured the "classic Star Wars Feel" much better than Force Awakens & Last Jedi. Both of which are good, but go somewhere different. Especially the 2nd which is just, all over the place.

My dislike of R1, I think, stems from seeing it first in cinema:

"Beginning, good style, story starts, good visuals, you meet Krennic. Then the rebel, Jyn, Forest Whitaker, etc etc, parts. All boring and non-engaging. Only good things are the scenes with Imperials. *boreddom boredom* Final battle scene on Scarif. Vader pwns, high-point of the film" ---> You leave the film not hating it (like prequels), on sort of a high note due to the ending, but when digesting it the day after...sort of "meh".

Compared to that:

The Force Awakens:
A lot more uneven then R1, which didn't really have glaring mistakes. Some jaring things, the Empire got defeated, but now there is that order, and the Republic are still the Rebels? No sense of distance and time. But on the other hand you have two engaging main characters. An Emo-Villain which is sort of new and cute. Really probably a "worse film" but also a bit more engaging, which allowed to be more lenient with obvious issues. While in Rogue 1 I zoned out to a point were I thought "Oh, those Rebel soldiers uniforms look (and their helmet with open chinstrap) much like US Vietnam era soldiers and then..."What? This machine gun in the shuttle looks totally like an M60 from "Full Metal Jacket" and now its killing an AT-AT leg even if the in ESB fighters couldn't hurt them?"

All totally silly complains, but the stuff that happens when you zone out and don't care anymore.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Shannow on May 04, 2018, 02:26:29 PM
5, 4, R1, 7, 6, 2, 8, 1, 3.

So Attack of the Clones is better than 8, 1 and 3?

I'm completely suspicious of all your opinions going forward.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: calapine on May 04, 2018, 02:31:17 PM
5, 4, R1, 7, 6, 2, 8, 1, 3.

So Attack of the Clones is better than 8, 1 and 3?

I'm completely suspicious of all your opinions going forward.

This is actually really hard, because the order depends sort of on what your own priority is.  

If I rankt it by "these films I enjoyed most" rather than "this films are cinematically  best" Id go: 4, 5, 7, 6, 8, R1, 3, 2, 1


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Rendakor on May 04, 2018, 02:42:30 PM
5, R1, 4, 6, 7, 8, 1, 2, 3


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Tale on May 04, 2018, 03:26:29 PM
I don't care which is the best. I started this by saying Rogue One is really great and stands up for me on a second viewing. No need for a pecking order.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: MediumHigh on May 04, 2018, 09:18:53 PM
5
6,4
R1
3
2
1








































































7
8


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Threash on May 05, 2018, 08:49:49 AM
It's hard to just pick an order, easier to go by tiers. Rogue One and Empire are on tier 1, the rest the originals the sequels and Revenge of the Sith on tier 2 and Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones on tier crap.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Khaldun on May 05, 2018, 09:19:52 AM
I would need a Tier Megacrap for Attack of the Clones, which just has no virtues of any kind. Even the scenes that should be fun aren't.

I think I'd probably have some important ranking order within Tier 2 as well. Return of the Jedi near the bottom, Last of the Jedi near the top.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Threash on May 05, 2018, 10:26:52 AM
I would need a Tier Megacrap for Attack of the Clones, which just has no virtues of any kind.

Probably true, at least the Phantom Menace gave us "duel of the fates" and this (http://www.studlife.com/files/2012/02/anakinskywalker.jpg) poster.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Hoax on May 13, 2018, 12:43:01 PM
5, 4/R1,

honestly who cares about the other ones they are all pretty regrettable. The only bit I remember is the 2v1 lightsaber fight and the music for it in 1.

So 1 & 6 can sit here, embarrassingly bad on rewatch but there was some cool stuff at the time.

Fuck the rest of them. I've basically regretted seeing them before my eyes even adjusted to leaving the theater & there's 3 that much like 9 I'm was/am so turned off I didn't see it in theaters and I'm not even sure I've sat through it in a single sitting on tv.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Sir T on May 13, 2018, 03:27:17 PM
I've only watched 2 and 3 by occasionally lipreading on Christmas day while the family was making tons of noise and I was sitting there bored. I think I was better off not actually hearing the dialogue as the acting was fucking dreadful, and if whatsherface and whatsisname were a passionate love story, then stacking chairs on one another counts as porn.

I saw 1 in the theater and after a few days thinking about it I decided not to waste my money on a Star Wars movie ever again, and to dismiss the claims of internet nerds as the screaming "IT ACTUALLY WAS GOOD IT WAS IT WAS IT WASSSS" had already started, which continued till the Revenge of the Shit was released. Which caused my choice to give the finger to Star wars in general to be continuously reinforced becasue fuck fans who are unable to say when something is actually dogshit.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Riggswolfe on May 13, 2018, 04:20:52 PM
Rogue One is a weird movie for me. I'm going to catch a lot of shit for this but it reminds me of how I feel about the Phantom Menace. Both movies have some really great moments interrupted by rookie screenwriting mistakes and other issues.  Rogue One is undeniably better than any of the prequels, don't get me wrong, but it has some glaring flaws. Probably its worst flaw is that Jyn is a very, very passive protagonist.

Gets rescued.
Gets told to go meet Saw
Meets Saw
Sort of kind of pushes to save her dad.
Gets dragged back to the rebel base.

Part of why the last half hour or so of Rogue One is good is because that is when Jyn finally gets active in her own movie. If she wasn't in the first hour and a half, you probably wouldn't even notice.

This however is somewhat marred by a pretty bad character arc that happens in roughly 5 minutes. You go from "Those were Rebellion missiles that killed my dad!!!!" to "Rebellions are built on hope now I'm going to go risk my life to get those data plans for you even though you won't lift a finger to help me."

I'm sorry. Rogue One is an hour and a half of meh with a last half hour of pure awesome.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Tale on May 13, 2018, 04:33:53 PM
I'm sorry.

OK


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Sir T on May 13, 2018, 08:02:25 PM
I'm sorry. Rogue One is an hour and a half of meh with a last half hour of pure awesome.

Kind of describes the first Home Alone movie.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: eldaec on May 14, 2018, 02:20:33 AM
The one valid criticism if R1 is that Jyn doesn't earn the suicide squad who follow her. They just needed to give her a little more agency either on the yellow planet or on the blue one. Have her show things can be achieved even if the wider rebellion then fucks it up.

I don't have a problem with her not flouncing off when the rebels kill her dad, because for her the point of the big damn showdown is to follow through on her Dad's sacrifice. She isn't risking her life for the rebellion hierarchy, she is demanding they help her and calling them out when they don't.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: jgsugden on May 14, 2018, 07:04:50 AM
4, 5, R1, 7, 6, 3, 8

4 Gets the bonus points for the origin factor.

From what I hear, I expect Solo to end up between 6 and 3.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Bunk on May 14, 2018, 07:22:53 AM
Responding to my earlier list: for me Attack of the Clones was at least fun. It was bad, but it was fun bad. I absolutely thought it was the best of the prequels, on an entertainment level. Was it better than The Last Jedi? Eh... it might have been more entertaining. I'm still up in the air on that.


Title: Re: Rogue One
Post by: Sky on May 14, 2018, 08:37:49 AM
Probably its worst flaw is that Jyn is a very, very passive protagonist.
While I overall disagree with your take on it, this in particular is the one thing I've been saying. I loved the movie as it was cut ("rebellions are built on hope"), but I also have a feeling there was a much more interesting cut left on the floor ("this is a rebellion, I rebel"). I believe a lot of the Saw stuff and the play on freedom fighter vs terrorist would have made a great movie.

Anyway, I think the edits and reshoots weakened her because they tried to shift her to being a nicer/more publicly consumable character, rather than the antihero she should have been.