Crowfall aka Play2Crush aka Shadowbane II aka Nostalgia Online

[Merusk]

Special-invite only so as the 1337 decks aren't pilfered.

[tazelbain]

Which is weird cuz there aien't no leetness in that forum. Too bad, I wish we had a team to go after Hextechs Open and Five Cups.

[WayAbvPar]

I will probably throw them $30. I will end up buying the game anyway, so why not save some dough?

[Rendakor]

Wonder if I'll be able to register for their forums now that I'm a KS backer.

[WayAbvPar]

If it does, make sure to put the Hex CM's quote in your sig 

[Threash]

I will probably throw them $30. I will end up buying the game anyway, so why not save some dough?

Over half of those are gone already, so better hurry.

[Triforcer]

Some nitpicks about the kickstarter and associated info:

- I wish the higher but still non-insane contribution levels had more in-game foozles that aren't part of the instanced housing.  I'm sure I am not the only one who doesn't care about any of the Eternal Kingdom stuff.  I know this is hard to do in a game where equipment decays and breaks (i.e., they can't offer an unbreakable sword that goes with you everywhere even if the stats are the same as in-game obtainable swords), but more tiers should have had things like the $60 arcane recipe set (and there should be unique in-game cosmetic effects, etc.).  I will probably go $250 because that kicks in a collector's edition (and I want to see games like this made), but there is no incentive to go higher if you don't care about the Eternal Kingdoms.　

- As said above, the target for this is weird- that obviously isn't nearly enough to complete the game.  And I wish there was some indication of stretch goals (get to $1,000,000 and get two new archetypes, etc.).

- The risk/reward seems skewed in the rules they posted, at least for the dregs.  If you want to get people to try FFA pvp, giving the losers rewards (rather big rewards) seems like the best option.  Conversely, the "safer" pvp worlds should have very low winner percentages (and very little loser percentages).  That being said, this is the part they said could change the most based on actual data, so not a big worry.  

[schild]

wow they want to charge $50 MSRP for the game also?

These fucking backwards assholes.

[schild]

Anyway, this game is not getting made for their goal, so they're just using Kickstarter as a cash infusion for utter bullshit. It's pretty reprehensible. I know Kickstarter's interest is in the % so they're not gonna turn down something like this, but I really wish they had people on staff that knew a game like this could not get made for an amount like that.

Edit:

Kickstarter represents the absolute best way to start a new project – because it allows (and relies on) the fans to get involved from the beginning!

lol no

[WayAbvPar]

I will probably throw them $30. I will end up buying the game anyway, so why not save some dough?

Over half of those are gone already, so better hurry.

I was reminded that I am not charged until the KS is fully funded, so I snatched one up.

[Draegan]

1) this game is using the gw2 payment model.
2) this game already has 2.5M vc funds already.

[HaemishM]

$800k is way, way too low, IMO, even with the VC cash they've already made. I also expected that art style to look better when animated, but I'm sad to say it looks worse.

[Paelos]

My guess is they are betting on getting double that to fully fund the core. But they set the number at half to get paid.

Either way what they want is 25,000+ people to show up and donate something, even if it's $5. That's so they can show further investors how many potential day one sales they have.

[tazelbain]

They at least admit the KS is primarily for marketing.

[Paelos]

They at least admit the KS is primarily for marketing.

Where do they admit that?

[WayAbvPar]

They are halfway to their stated goal in less than half a day. Hopefully they get enough to actually deliver something worth playing.

[Hutch]

They at least admit the KS is primarily for marketing.

Where do they admit that?

They didn't "admit it" so much as spell it out.

To get this game brought to market, we intend to use every method at our disposal to fund the game through completion.

Specifically:

    We will likely sell more equity (ownership in our company) in the future,
    We will license some of the overseas rights for Crowfall.  We're going to try and keep control of the English-speaking territories.
    And, yes, we will do a crowdfunding campaign.  We aren't asking you to fund the entire game, but your participation is a key piece of the funding puzzle.

A successful crowdfunding campaign does more than just provide funding; it also demonstrates "market viability."   It shows that Crowfall has a committed audience, and that we're making a game that people want to play.  Our story is stronger, and that dramatically improves our ability to sell both equity and license overseas rights.  It's a real force multiplier in giving us the resources we need to build a world-class game.

[Paelos]

Our goal for this Kickstarter is to fund the core module of Crowfall. 

How many games can you play with a standard deck of cards?  Poker, Blackjack, Bridge – the variety is endless. Think of the core module like our baseline deck of cards. This is the foundation of the game, on which all the variant rules sets can be built.

Much of the core module work has already been done; we are looking to the community to help us finish it. Specifically, we will use these funds to build:

They list a whole bunch of features after that.

I saw the earlier part on the site, then I see this on KS. I guess maybe it's the same thing? But it doesn't sound like the same thing. Basically on KS it sounds like they want to build the core of the game and launch it. They even say they want to come to the people first and will go to a publisher if they have to.

It's slick lawyer-talk but I see the point.

[schild]

Our goal for this Kickstarter is to fund the core module of Crowfall. 

How many games can you play with a standard deck of cards?  Poker, Blackjack, Bridge – the variety is endless. Think of the core module like our baseline deck of cards. This is the foundation of the game, on which all the variant rules sets can be built.

This is beyond the pale.

[Teleku]

It's funny we don't hear about HEX much anymore after all the bullshit shouting, but that's a side note.

As others have said, we do all the talking in the Hex forum.  I threw $500 at it, and have gotten my moneys worth already.  I've played it more than any other game ever, other than the 2-3 years straight I played WoW.  Development has been slow and painful, but they already have a great product out.  Easily worth the money for me, and its something I'll keep on playing for years (unless the studio shuts downs  ).

So far all of my kickstarters have worked out great.  Wasteland 2 was kind of a let down, but still enjoyable.  Thats my worst outcome so far (though plenty of them are still in development, so we'll see).  I went ahead pledged.  Kickstarter cannot possibly bring in all the funds needed to make an MMO, but sounds like they are doing this to help them secure more funding, so I'm happy to show support.  Its a game I'd like to see made, so I'll make a donation to the cause.

wow they want to charge $50 MSRP for the game also?

These fucking backwards assholes.

Whats wrong with that?  Pay for the box plus optional sub seems like the best way to do an MMO.

[Gimfain]

Its one of the better kickstarters out there and showed more than pretty much every mmorpg kickstarter I have seen. However, asking for $600k and putting an estimated release date in december 2016 is total BS. Camelot unchained told exactly how much money would be needed to complete the game and said how he would get it, and I think Crowfall should do something similar. Not fond of using kickstarter funds as a leverage for future investors.

Biggest problem is still the game, I know about their ideas but I have no idea how its going to play out and how close they will be to reach their vision. Also, no healer archetypes hurt, its probably why I will play camelot unchained instead of crowfall.

[taolurker]

Could go in any of three threads, but probably best over here.

[Merusk]

Wait.. they fired him but didn't remove his twitter from the stream?

Classic SOE.

[Lantyssa]

Linking personal accounts to a public-facing company page to begin with...

[shiznitz]

Wait.. they fired him but didn't remove his twitter from the stream?

Classic SOE.

Fucking clown shoes as usual.

[Threash]

Looks like kickstarter sb.xed.

[Trippy]

Wait.. they fired him but didn't remove his twitter from the stream?

Classic SOE.

Fucking clown shoes as usual.

They probably fired their social media person too so there's nobody left that knows how to fix that.

[Tannhauser]

A quick derail if you don't mind, but whatever became of McQuaid and his KS project?

[Hutch]

The tldr version is: The Pantheon KS failed to fund.

The F13 forum thread is here.

[Gimfain]

A quick derail if you don't mind, but whatever became of McQuaid and his KS project?

They failed KS, did some funding on their page which ran out, but they still work on it. They use unity 5 engine for the game and here's link to latest video

[Threash]

I'm surprised at the archetypes they went with.  There is no human wizard type, confessors are fire priests really.  No elves besides the weird looking frostweavers and winged gender locked assassins, not having the bladeweaver (or it's human blademaster equivalent) seems like a weird omission. Only one stealth type class, and no scouts, which were the very best solution to MMO stealth any game has come up with.  Champions/Knights/Templars/legionaires seem entirely redundant, could've just made a "warrior" that covered all of those.

[Ginaz]

Wait.. they fired him but didn't remove his twitter from the stream?

Classic SOE.

It's now classic Windbreak...Daybreak...whatever.  Same old same old regardless of what call themselves these days.

[murdoc]

I am interested in this game - but my 'don't kickstart games' rule is in full effect.

[Hutch]

I'm just going to set this down here.

[tazelbain]

Early amber looks like the best "deal". Too bad I don't have blind faith to do this.