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Reply #315 on: March 28, 2015, 05:09:00 PM

This is not one of those posts where I am asking for advice. I have been in therapy long enough to understand what the healthy decisions are. My trouble is making them.

That sounds encouraging, at least.  A lot of people with depression don't know that there even is a "better" way to handle things, or can't see beyond their problems.  Sounds like you're making some progress.

Sorry you had such a shitty week otherwise, sounds rough :(
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Reply #316 on: April 05, 2015, 11:10:53 AM

This may sound dumb coming from a 33-year-old but I was able to pinpoint anxiety yesterday. I had not connected the word "anxiety" with the excessive worry and doubtful thoughts along with a facial expression characterized by pinched eyebrows and tightness.

My issues aren't the issue, my anxiety is the issue. I have anxiety leaving the house. I have anxiety whenever I have to deal with other people outside some rules system. I am anxious whenever something happens that I doomcast into hurting my relationships (when its the actions I take as a result of anxiety that often do the harm). And I am fucking terrified if a member of the opposite sex shows signs of interest in me.

I get why people smoke weed or drink alcohol to deal with the anxiety. It's not fun. A brief bout of exercise helped manage the mental state.
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Reply #317 on: April 05, 2015, 01:34:03 PM

So, you seeing a shrink yet or just self-diagnosing and not doing anything real about it?

Edit: And yes, I know that you said you're in therapy. Is it helping? Because identifying and trying to explain shit to yourself sounds more like it's a tertiary set of things to think about, but not something actually making a tangible difference.
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Reply #318 on: April 05, 2015, 03:07:40 PM

I bought an Internet spaceship from Chris Roberts, a lifetime membership to an Internet cafe / collective, and stocked my pantry with munchies. I plan to live the rest of my life as a Firefly parody, with myself as Captain Chong Blazer.

Define something real you wouldn't immediately mock or dismiss. My therapist and I have spent the better part of a year helping me connect with my emotions, identifying them, and taking steps to manage them. Before that it was making pro-health life choices and medication to stabilize moods. After my recent episode I was placed on a new medication to help stop my explosive rage episodes, which has become an official disorder according to the psychiatrist.

I am not going to be gleefully muff-diving anytime soon because there are still numerous unaddressed issues. What exactly do you think is going to happen?
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Reply #319 on: April 05, 2015, 03:13:21 PM

I'm not mocking or dismissing it, I'm just saying - you made this thread on 2/24: http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=24724.0 - a mere 5 weeks ago. While you just touched on a new medication, I mean, that's a medication compensating for what is pretty obviously a missed social immersion part of the teenage lifecycle. I can't help but think it's time for a different/better therapist. But don't take my advice, I'm just addicted to social manipulation as a hobby.
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Reply #320 on: April 05, 2015, 03:27:51 PM

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Reply #321 on: April 05, 2015, 03:29:07 PM

While you just touched on a new medication, I mean, that's a medication compensating for what is pretty obviously a missed social immersion part of the teenage lifecycle.
I'm familiar with ADHD and it's effect on social decision making, so I can tell you -- mental disorders CAN cause you to basically fuck up socialization. Entirely.

ADHD? You tend to just...miss...social cues. On your meds? Fine. Off your meds? You can't spot any emotion that isn't flagrant. You can spot towering rage, but you can't spot "deeply annoyed". It's weird as hell, and has to do with a bunch of focus-related things and facial and body language processing, but it's true.

Everyone I've known with severe ADHD (sample size: 3) has been the same way. Handling social interaction off their meds is like......well, you're playing Sherlock. You get really, really focused and stressed out trying to parse social cues, tones of voice, phrasing, all these things that normally you handle without thinking. But off your meds, assuming you're even aware of the problem, it's like doing complex calculus in your head. (Including being wrong most of the time).

That doesn't mean you're wrong about Maven, just that brains and socialization and stuff are complicated as hell. Sometimes things you don't think are connected are. (I literally have no idea if depression or Maven's meds or problems has ANY bearing on socialization. I just know other mental disorders can cause such problems).
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Reply #322 on: April 05, 2015, 03:49:38 PM

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Reply #323 on: April 05, 2015, 04:07:37 PM

So, you seeing a shrink yet or just self-diagnosing and not doing anything real about it?

Edit: And yes, I know that you said you're in therapy. Is it helping? Because identifying and trying to explain shit to yourself sounds more like it's a tertiary set of things to think about, but not something actually making a tangible difference.

It's hard to get a real grip on this kind of thing from a few forum posts.  He's complaining about being nervous around girls, not that he must silence the voices before he kills again. 

Sometimes writing stuff out helps people work through things.  I know it helps me, I just don't post it online... but then again, in a thread with a bunch of depressed people, hearing other people talking about their experiences is probably helpful to the rest of us who are too shy to do so.
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Reply #324 on: April 05, 2015, 04:34:42 PM

I am in no way whatsoever mocking Maven for saying it. That was for the other thread. In this thread, I'm merely saying, a mis-prescribed medicine + a "better part of a year" of therapy and 5 weeks ago he posts as if no such thing/improvement has taken place - well, it indicates to me that he may want to see someone new or at least different.

While you just touched on a new medication, I mean, that's a medication compensating for what is pretty obviously a missed social immersion part of the teenage lifecycle.
I'm familiar with ADHD and it's effect on social decision making, so I can tell you -- mental disorders CAN cause you to basically fuck up socialization. Entirely.

ADHD? You tend to just...miss...social cues. On your meds? Fine. Off your meds? You can't spot any emotion that isn't flagrant. You can spot towering rage, but you can't spot "deeply annoyed". It's weird as hell, and has to do with a bunch of focus-related things and facial and body language processing, but it's true.

Everyone I've known with severe ADHD (sample size: 3) has been the same way. Handling social interaction off their meds is like......well, you're playing Sherlock. You get really, really focused and stressed out trying to parse social cues, tones of voice, phrasing, all these things that normally you handle without thinking. But off your meds, assuming you're even aware of the problem, it's like doing complex calculus in your head. (Including being wrong most of the time).

That doesn't mean you're wrong about Maven, just that brains and socialization and stuff are complicated as hell. Sometimes things you don't think are connected are. (I literally have no idea if depression or Maven's meds or problems has ANY bearing on socialization. I just know other mental disorders can cause such problems).
The vast majority of us come from a generation where nearly every kid was diagnosed with ADHD/ADD regardless of if they had it or not. In short, whatever Maven was diagnosed with, he should get a second opinion. And then a third and a fourth.
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Reply #325 on: April 05, 2015, 05:08:21 PM

Sigh.. anxiety.. dysfunction.. Society.. They are all illusions of the subconscious, yet are chemical, biological, environmental, and even DNA. Emotions all flow from same sources and dichotomies abounds.

My visiting psychoanalysis and psychiatrists with medications, I actually found the medications dulled me to things almost worse, but I suffer from bouts of Bi Polar Disaffective. I more needed people to relate to me and my specific defects and talking about how detatched I was seemed much better than me drugging and feeling worse. I mostly found a philosophy that helped make it clearer how to deal with my Dichotomy.

I am not depressed, and actually quite jovial and easy going, but sarcastic and quick to go Dr Jekyl and Hyde or get megalomaniac and make others think I'm looking at them as inferiors or worse dumb blind cattle. I am social but my own worst nightmare socially, but the carefree attitude helps with me.

BTW My philosophy is that everything is nothing, that good and bad are as relative as space time or atoms charges, and that all things swing wildly between Yin and Yang. Taoism truly saved my life, and years ago being a hippie drugging bouncer with rage and tendancy to snap I possibly might had WORSE than being a crippled back guy genious computer nerd gaming weirdo.


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Reply #326 on: April 05, 2015, 05:56:26 PM

This place might be an interesting guide to "what game should I buy" or "what's fun about a game that most people don't know anything about", but it's about par with sticking your head in a nest of bees when it comes to getting therapeutic advice. You might even think, "I'm not even getting stung that much!" but it's pretty much just a matter of time until one of the more sting-prone locals decides to jab to see if you're allergic to bee venom just for the lulz.
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Reply #327 on: April 05, 2015, 09:39:45 PM

Oh, we all got bored with simple anaphylactic shock years ago. They swell up, they gasp, they change color a few times, then the show's over, same thing every time. Now it's about drawing pretty pictures with the swelling, showing a little *artistry*.

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Reply #328 on: April 05, 2015, 10:47:43 PM

We may have different criteria for what constitutes improvement. I disarmed my way through a rage cycle by talking it through this morning. I could not stop the feeling from happening in the first place (random technical failure caused uncontrollable and unexpected loss of Clash of Clans resources, delaying an expensive upgrade -- triggered larger frustrations with control, I know how bad and minor that sounds by itself). But I was able to calm myself soon after the flare-up.

It is little victories like that which show therapy is helping: understanding and being aware when I have been hijacked with emotions and taking appropriate steps to regulate. The social cues thing relates to very specific scenarios and is a different vector. We have tried to push me into new social situations but I have been stubborn; seeing the anxiety at play for the first time represents progress to me.

What does improvement look like? How fast? Married with kids, high lay score, max-level Diablo 3 character? Do you understand how stubborn I am?

I am limited financially by the options I can explore and no one is going to crowd-fund a mental health program. The binge purchases during major depressive episodes aren't helping either. It costs me $30 a week for my sessions.
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Reply #329 on: April 07, 2015, 05:21:24 PM

The vast majority of us come from a generation where nearly every kid was diagnosed with ADHD/ADD regardless of if they had it or not. In short, whatever Maven was diagnosed with, he should get a second opinion. And then a third and a fourth.
Diagnosing ADHD is easy as hell. I mean FOR REAL diagnosing it. There's two ways. You can get an fMRI wherein you ask the potentially ADHD kid to do mental problems in his head (FUN!) or....you can give them a stimulant.

If someone has ADHD, and you give them a stimulant, and they calm down -- it's ADHD. (if you don't have ADHD, stimulants...well, stimulate you. They don't calm you the fuck down. Sure, you have better focus, but you're jittery as shit.)

That's why perfectly reputable psychiatrists will see if the kid checks off a few "eh, maybe?" boxes and slap some ritalin in there and see what happens. It's a cheap and easy test.

Of course try explaining to the parents that you fed their nightmare child amphetamines, and since it made him worse the problem wasn't ADHD no matter how much they want it to be. Or that because he was more focused but also practically vibrating out of his chair, it's not ADHD. They generally don't want to hear it.

I'm not kidding. School teachers, special ed teachers, and just basically anyone that works with kids professionally knows that if you have an unmedicated ADHD kid, try to slip him some caffiene. It's not as good as speed, but it'll tone him down a few notches. (There's a reason my sample size was three. It's the three people I know have ADHD, which is a small subset of the people who claim to have had it. I've seen them both on and off meds, and it's pretty obvious when they're on them and when they aren't.
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Reply #330 on: April 07, 2015, 05:33:05 PM

The vast majority of us come from a generation where nearly every kid was diagnosed with ADHD/ADD regardless of if they had it or not. In short, whatever Maven was diagnosed with, he should get a second opinion. And then a third and a fourth.
Diagnosing ADHD is easy as hell. I mean FOR REAL diagnosing it. There's two ways. You can get an fMRI wherein you ask the potentially ADHD kid to do mental problems in his head (FUN!) or....you can give them a stimulant.

If someone has ADHD, and you give them a stimulant, and they calm down -- it's ADHD. (if you don't have ADHD, stimulants...well, stimulate you. They don't calm you the fuck down. Sure, you have better focus, but you're jittery as shit.)

That's why perfectly reputable psychiatrists will see if the kid checks off a few "eh, maybe?" boxes and slap some ritalin in there and see what happens. It's a cheap and easy test.

Of course try explaining to the parents that you fed their nightmare child amphetamines, and since it made him worse the problem wasn't ADHD no matter how much they want it to be. Or that because he was more focused but also practically vibrating out of his chair, it's not ADHD. They generally don't want to hear it.

I'm not kidding. School teachers, special ed teachers, and just basically anyone that works with kids professionally knows that if you have an unmedicated ADHD kid, try to slip him some caffiene. It's not as good as speed, but it'll tone him down a few notches. (There's a reason my sample size was three. It's the three people I know have ADHD, which is a small subset of the people who claim to have had it. I've seen them both on and off meds, and it's pretty obvious when they're on them and when they aren't.
All of what you just said is common knowledge at this point, as like I said, nearly every kid in our generation was fucking diagnosed with it (and the diagnosis was wrong in nearly every case). My point was Maven should get more opinions. If not one, two, three or four. It can only help.
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Reply #331 on: April 07, 2015, 05:55:05 PM

I have the opinion of two therapists, a psychiatrist, and the Ph. D. overseeing both my therapist and the clinic as a whole, drawn from over two years of session data.

I am the problem, not them. They are doing their best. In my more lucid moments, I see what it is they are trying to guide me towards.

I'll spare you the illustrative self-analysis. My mood bombs have been a lifelong quality-of-life issue. Whatever normal is, I am not it, as the forum was so quick to point out when I described my head space during the last incident.
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Reply #332 on: April 08, 2015, 06:18:45 AM

There is no standard normal. There's feeling good and living well in your own skin.

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Reply #333 on: April 09, 2015, 03:57:30 PM

I can only say that while sharing and being social about these issues can be helpful, there is a lot of risk with the understanding and insight of some people on f13. Using this thread or any part of the forums as a confessional is possibly not the best.
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Reply #334 on: April 09, 2015, 04:48:30 PM

If saying things here helps get them off your chest, I'd say go for it but obviously treat our advice with a grain of salt.

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Reply #335 on: April 10, 2015, 10:13:32 AM

Normal is over rated. What you want is to have the upper hand on your neurochemistry and pathology, so that your abnormality is manageable. Not easy, but it is possible.

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Reply #336 on: April 10, 2015, 08:38:59 PM

Normal is over rated. What you want is to have the upper hand on your neurochemistry and pathology, so that your abnormality is manageable. Not easy, but it is possible.

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What you want is 'functional'. Can you hold down a job, can you pay your bills, can you find some happiness in your life?

If so, fuck 'normal'. Normal is mostly the fake faces other people put on. Shit, go ask a sex worker about 'normal'. The more damn normal someone looks in public, the more likely they are to be off the end of the scale when it comes to their private lives.
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Reply #337 on: April 10, 2015, 11:05:04 PM

We've abandoned the quest for 'happy' then?

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Reply #338 on: April 11, 2015, 08:42:35 AM

Normal and Happy can be mutually exclusive for some people. Morat did mention happiness in his definition of functional.

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Reply #339 on: April 11, 2015, 09:23:27 AM

Normal and Happy can be mutually exclusive for some people. Morat did mention happiness in his definition of functional.
Yep. Happiness is important. More important than normal, for sure.

As far as I'm concerned, it boils down to "can you function in society" and "can you find some happiness there" (no one is happy all the time. People die, bad things happen, whatever). Normal is only important insofar as normal is the same thing as functional. (Can you remember to eat? To pay your bills? To support yourself? Take care of the things that matter to you? Etc).
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Reply #340 on: April 11, 2015, 09:47:03 AM

My choice of normal was poor. I am struggling to establish and accept a unique identity of my own. Reading a critical analysis of Metal Gear Solid 2 and its major themes helped identify my own obstaces.

I don't want to be ashamed if, for instance, some quality of mine is frowned upon by some societal standard. One reason I spent little time exploring sexuality is because my twin brother is homosexual. Even though I am attracted to females (visually, physically is another question), I was afraid I might be too because I saw social consequences in identifying homosexual.

In a sense I don't feel I have chosen my identity but conformed to whatever reduces my risk of rejection by the highest amount. It is strange to be accepting of others for something you would be ashamed of for yourself. I am not sure I am wording this right. It questions whether you ACTUALLY are accepting if the emotional acceptance isn't with the intellectual.
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Reply #341 on: April 11, 2015, 11:50:38 AM

My choice of normal was poor. I am struggling to establish and accept a unique identity of my own. Reading a critical analysis of Metal Gear Solid 2 and its major themes helped identify my own obstaces.

I don't want to be ashamed if, for instance, some quality of mine is frowned upon by some societal standard. One reason I spent little time exploring sexuality is because my twin brother is homosexual. Even though I am attracted to females (visually, physically is another question), I was afraid I might be too because I saw social consequences in identifying homosexual.

In a sense I don't feel I have chosen my identity but conformed to whatever reduces my risk of rejection by the highest amount. It is strange to be accepting of others for something you would be ashamed of for yourself. I am not sure I am wording this right. It questions whether you ACTUALLY are accepting if the emotional acceptance isn't with the intellectual.

1. Oversharing.
2. You do not have to worry about having a unique identity of your own. The moment you start worrying about shit like that is the moment you cross over from "natural" to "tryhard weirdo." See: Juggalos.
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Reply #342 on: April 11, 2015, 12:00:03 PM

2. You do not have to worry about having a unique identity of your own. The moment you start worrying about shit like that is the moment you cross over from "natural" to "tryhard weirdo." See: Juggalos.

Bronies would be a more contemporary example.   awesome, for real

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Reply #343 on: April 11, 2015, 12:40:42 PM

My choice of normal was poor. I am struggling to establish and accept a unique identity of my own. Reading a critical analysis of Metal Gear Solid 2 and its major themes helped identify my own obstaces.
I knew what you were getting at, the point is that "normal" is at best a sham, a model of socially acceptable behaviors and identifiers that people adopt without ever considering them. It's just aspiration to be average, and average, 'normal' people are fucking boring. Which wouldn't be so bad, except that most of those "normal" people aren't actually fitting into that box very well, and aren't very happy with being there.

Even the counterculture often lets itself be defined by its departures from 'normal', to the point that they can be even more aggressive about enforcing their norms. "Yes, we are all individuals!" See; Hipsters and all of their tryhard 'I'm more different than you' bullshit. Don't aspire for normality, or even to be taken for 'normal' at more than first glance. Aspire for functional within your weirdness, find ways to make the weirdness work for you.

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Reply #344 on: April 11, 2015, 12:41:19 PM

 Ohhhhh, I see.

Do you think you're being supportive, schild?

Edit: I don't know who I am and when I find out something I reject it or feel bad. It frustrates me that I can't be this model human that gets bandied around by "healthy" people, like I'm weak or broken or always need help.

Did anyone see the breakdown of a nice guy rant on reddit? I felt like such shit after reading it because there's a grain of truth to it and I see myself as having negative "nice guy" behaviors. It's the idea of championing something about yourself that's immature, and the real issue being your inability to overcome that struggle and be mature.

And everyone laughs or avoids. Nice guys are mocked or pitied. They lack self-awareness and have no idea why people mock them. They're lonely and subscribe to a self-defeating romantic rule set. They double-down in the face of mockery and don't grow.

I don't know if you know how much it stung when you said you get what you want and I don't, schild. It's true, but the fuck if I know what to do about it.
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Reply #345 on: April 11, 2015, 12:43:34 PM

Ohhhhh, I see.

Do you think you're being supportive, schild?
In his bizarre, tough-love sort of way, he actually is. He's not telling you to fuck off or mocking you, for Schild that is actually an expression of kindness and acceptance.

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Reply #346 on: April 11, 2015, 12:52:49 PM

It is unfortunate that I can't see that because I'm so inflexible with different types of people
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Reply #347 on: April 11, 2015, 01:03:23 PM

I'm tired of being this weird thing to others and to myself. Emotionally crippled. Always sunk by my issues and gushing at every opportunity.

Edit: I'm sorry schild and everyone. My mood crashed after reading schild's post.
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Reply #348 on: April 11, 2015, 01:26:07 PM

Did anyone see the breakdown of a nice guy rant on reddit? I felt like such shit after reading it because there's a grain of truth to it and I see myself as having negative "nice guy" behaviors. It's the idea of championing something about yourself that's immature, and the real issue being your inability to overcome that struggle and be mature.
He's trying to follow an aspirational model of behavior that is mostly a work of fiction, and not understanding why it doesn't actually work. He doesn't want to do the hard work of understanding why it doesn't work, he wants an 'A For Effort" for having internalized the model to begin with.

Maven, part of why I'm in this thread when I usually don't get into the advice/drama stuff is because I am terminally 'weird' myself. I am an alien trapped in a human host, with no chance of ever really being an integral, fully connected part of human society, because there just aren't enough people willing to accept my weirdness, not enough flex in my psyche to stop being weird. But I've learned to work with that, to work around it, to make it work for me.  Wasn't easy, isn't easy even now, and there were times when I was around your age that I simply didn't believe it was possible.

I learned to recognize my pathology, accept it, and rub the worst corners off of it. To use my inability to instinctively be aware of social context and cues as a platform for standing outside of them, observing them in ways that nobody who was 'soaking in it' ever could, and from that gain insight that had escaped them and eventually a 'backing into it' intellectual understanding of them that could substitute for the real thing under most circumstances. It's hard, because there's a part of me, and probably of you, that instinctively wants to be in that social fabric, and it flails about trying to force the connections, triggering anxieties and depression when it fails, confusion and anger when it seems to almost make them only to get them all scrambled and dysfunctional.

You're not emotionally crippled, the emotions are all there. What is missing is the feedback channels for making them properly correspond to your external circumstances, so like any system with uncalibrated controls, they oscillate all over the place. One thing that you may want to consider is meditation, the real Zen stuff. I got mine through martial arts training, and without the ability to be the 'eye that sees itself', get outside of my emotional and physical states and observe them, I might never have been able to stabilize myself enough. It's pretty much what the medication is trying to do, but you may be able to learn how to do it in wetware, internally, now that the medication is damping down the dysfunctional feedback cycles.

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Reply #349 on: April 11, 2015, 02:06:31 PM

I just...wow. I think you're trying way too hard, waaaay overthinking things.

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