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on: November 21, 2013, 02:09:32 AM

This appeared.

http://www.thesurvivor2299.com/

And to get more info you could probably read this.

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The mystery continues on the is-it/isn’t-it teaser site for an apparent Fallout 4 announcement, with the addition of a new morse code signal. This was spotted (and already decoded) by the sharp-eyed people on the Fallout subreddit.

According to their deductions, the message says “CQ CQ CQ DE OZ PSE AS.” Happily, this isn’t just meaningless gibberish, and means (roughly) “Calling Any Station, Calling Any Station, Calling Any Station, This is/From OZ (Oscar Zulu), Please Wait.” This may or may not relate to the ‘Oscar Zulu’ station present in Fallout 3.

Whether this adds more or less credence to the idea that this site is counting down to a Fallout 4 reveal is open to debate. A Fallout 3 reference might add weight to the theory that Bethesda will be developing this one (as the most recent Bethesda Fallout project was 3,) or it may suggest that there’s nothing much behind this except an impish mind hoping to mess with Fallout fans.

A Vault-Tec logo has appeared on the countdown too, which you’d imagine would make Bethesda a bit upset if the site was not legitimate.

Bethesda has refused to comment on the rumours, which does mark a slight change from their usual approach of flat-out denying Fallout 4 stories. However, they also obfuscated the information around Arkane working on Prey 2, so who knows. Over the weekend, it emerged that Fallout 4 had been trademarked in Europe.



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Reply #1 on: November 21, 2013, 02:51:43 AM

My, my.
Will we get to blow up a city like Megaton again?
Or are we going to meet vampires in the wasteland?
I can't wait.

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Reply #2 on: November 21, 2013, 04:15:25 AM

I'll get more excited if it:

a. Is using an engine that isn't the same fork of Gambryo that they've been Frankensteining  since 1999
b. Doesn't have a horrible consolized UI
c. Is actually a good Fallout game* this time, instead of being a slavish tone-deaf aping of Fallout themes in a setting that actively works to break your suspension of disbelief


*As opposed to being a good game, but a bad Fallout game.
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Reply #3 on: November 21, 2013, 04:23:28 AM

For the "real" Fallout feeling I am super happy with what Wasteland 2 seems to be.

For everything else, Fallout 3 scratched so many itches I can't even count them. I know they shouldn't really be compared but _to me_ it was more enjoyable than Skyrim by a million miles, and they are both fantastic games.

So all in all I am really excited about this. Many ways to fuck it up, but considering how much I loved Fallout 3 (after loving Fallout 2, and 1, and Wasteland despite the bvious differences) and New Vegas, I can't help but be very excited about this.

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Reply #4 on: November 21, 2013, 04:33:31 AM

So it's probably the Fallout 3 team not the Fallout: New Vegas team? Them I'm already less enthusiastic about a Fallout 4. Fallout 3 felt more like a mimicking of Fallout by a teak that didn't realy 'get it' even though it was a great game, it just wasn't a great Fallout game.

I also second Koro's sentiment. Skyrim is a great game but the engine feels awfully dated and was always the source of most of the gamebreaking bugs that plagued the early releases of all Elder Scrolls and all Fallout games.

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Reply #5 on: November 21, 2013, 04:45:40 AM

I'm excited about Fallout and if it isn't a trainwreck on a monumental scale I'll probably get it as soon as it is released (and I might even get the collector's edition if it has something interesting like a lunchbox or a bobblehead Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly? )

which doesn't mean that I'm not hoping for some significant improvements compared to FO3 and Skyrim
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Reply #6 on: November 21, 2013, 04:45:48 AM

Skyrim is a great game but the engine feels awfully dated and was always the source of most of the gamebreaking bugs that plagued the early releases of all Elder Scrolls and all Fallout games.

That's weird. Can't comment on bugs as I tend to ignore them and not care unless they are gamebreaking (and if there were any I didn't meet 'em neither in Fallout 3 nor in Skyrim), but I always appreciated the engine. Maybe my standards have gotten very low *shrug*

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Reply #7 on: November 21, 2013, 05:17:22 AM

I've played both FO:3 and FO:NV for more hours than I care to admit.

FO:3 had severe bugs that could lead to save game corruption and meant that you couldn't start/couldn't complete certain quests. Even with the last patch they issued (1.18 or an even higher number) the game manages to lock up my 360 every few hours and I need to power cycle it.

FO:NV was in a similar state at release and Skyrim taxed the engine so much that they can't even release one of the DLC modules on the PS3 because they ran out of resources. Don't get me started on the buggy mess games like Daggerfall or Oblivion were or still are. I've recently revisted FO:NV and tried Skyrim but compared to some other open-world games even Skyrim feels clunky and dated to me even though the graphics are good. The interface and controls just feel like it's a decade old game (which it is at its core).

Bethesda basically uses the same engine since 1998 and they've modified it and added features to it so many times over the years that it has become a constant source of trouble for them. A fact they are pretty much admitting themselves. It's just that most other types of 3D engine are designed for 3rd or 1st person shooters where you have a lot less objects and characters you need to handle and need to manage much less state. Unreal can manage about 50 object at a time for example.

Just imagine what a new Fallout would be like if it could use the engine of GTA 5 on the next gen consoles or the PC.
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Reply #8 on: November 21, 2013, 05:45:15 AM

There is a lot of talk that this might be a hoax site so have, at most, cautious optimism.

http://newfallout.com/is-the-survivor-2299-fake/
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Reply #9 on: November 21, 2013, 06:08:35 AM

I'm happy to give Bethseda abunch of trust after Skyrim, which I enjoyed more than Fallout 3 (loved both games, Skyrim just felt richer and more expansive). If they do make a Fallout 4 along the same lines and scale I can get behind that eagerly.

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Reply #10 on: November 21, 2013, 06:21:38 AM

Even with the last patch they issued (1.18 or an even higher number) the game manages to lock up my 360 every few hours

on the PS3 because they ran out of resources.

 why so serious?

More seriously, I didn't know and I am sorry for that. It would drive me nuts. But even with all the console talking in the other threads, to me these games are just PC native and I would never consider getting them on a console. It's like asking for trouble. But that, of course, doesn't justify poor programming.

Lesson learned? Get Fallout 4 on the PC, treat it like a Windows exclusive, and things should be fine.

I also agree the interface is bad in both those games, but I commented because you mentioned the dated engine. I hated the interface, but loved the engine.

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Reply #11 on: November 21, 2013, 06:24:26 AM

There is a lot of talk that this might be a hoax site so have, at most, cautious optimism.

http://newfallout.com/is-the-survivor-2299-fake/

Oh well, straight to the Den if it's true.

Unless... Fallout 4 takes place in Poland.

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Reply #12 on: November 21, 2013, 08:09:53 AM

Lesson learned? Get Fallout 4 on the PC, treat it like a Windows exclusive, and things should be fine.

I also agree the interface is bad in both those games, but I commented because you mentioned the dated engine. I hated the interface, but loved the engine.

I probably will play the next Fallout on a PC just because the mod community is so prolific. With current mods Fallout or Skyrim look much better than they originally did.
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Reply #13 on: November 21, 2013, 08:28:46 AM

I really don't get the hate on FO3, FO NV or Skyrim. I loved them all as-is and I love that the company remains friendly to modding.
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Reply #14 on: November 21, 2013, 08:40:17 AM

Skip console releases, wait for LoversLab mods, steam sales on xmas 30% off 2014, profit.

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Reply #15 on: November 21, 2013, 09:03:16 AM

The Fallout series is my favourite ever!

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Reply #16 on: November 21, 2013, 09:54:45 AM

For some reason or another I didn't like the combat on the Fallout stuff.

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Reply #17 on: November 21, 2013, 10:06:50 AM

"Calling any station, please wait?"  WTF would be the point of such a transmission?  You call any station to relay immediate information, such as a request for help, not to put them on hold. 

It's like "Hello, anybody?  Anybody?  Please anybody answer me?"
"Yeah?  What's up?"
"Please hold."
"WTF?"
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Reply #18 on: November 21, 2013, 10:27:33 AM

I really don't get the hate on FO3, FO NV or Skyrim. I loved them all as-is and I love that the company remains friendly to modding.

I don't see much hate for NV anywhere really. Skyrim is mostly disliked by people who don't enjoy the sandbox style. And it's true that the main storyline (and things such as party interaction) aren't the strong point of the game.

Even Fallout 3 isn't terrible, more "meh". Being number 3 obviously people compared it 1+2 which highlighted the flaws.

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Reply #19 on: November 21, 2013, 02:06:39 PM

So it's probably the Fallout 3 team not the Fallout: New Vegas team? Them I'm already less enthusiastic about a Fallout 4. Fallout 3 felt more like a mimicking of Fallout by a teak that didn't realy 'get it' even though it was a great game, it just wasn't a great Fallout game.
I'm quite the opposite.  Fallout 3 >>> New Vegas for that nostalgia feel to me.

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Reply #20 on: November 21, 2013, 06:45:18 PM

So it's probably the Fallout 3 team not the Fallout: New Vegas team? Them I'm already less enthusiastic about a Fallout 4. Fallout 3 felt more like a mimicking of Fallout by a teak that didn't realy 'get it' even though it was a great game, it just wasn't a great Fallout game.
I'm quite the opposite.  Fallout 3 >>> New Vegas for that nostalgia feel to me.

Yeah, I can see why people prefer the whimsical world of DC Wasteland to the serious business of Vegas (Don't you just get tired of those courier jobs? Seriously!)
Who can forget the journeys that took them to a crater of an unexploded bombs, a house in the middle of nowhere with cannibal family, and a small colony made up of children with deathclaws lurking beneath the complex?

Vegas had very little memorable places in Vanilla, there's this stupid vault where there's election posters that doesn't seem to lead anywhere. When I nearly gave up I found a key and all it did was unlock a damn room with a projector, saying congrats! You found this room! And a frickin' killer bots came out of the walls to kill me. Also? No loot. What a shit dungeon design by Obsidian.

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Reply #21 on: November 21, 2013, 11:14:08 PM

The Fallout lore just entrances me. I've spent whole days just on the wikia reading about the different vaults and the crazy lore around it. It's all got this crazy psychological fuckupedness bent on it. Looking forward to more.
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Reply #22 on: November 22, 2013, 03:52:00 AM

 bethesda games since Fo3( fo:nv, skyrim) -l are all amazing games. However the engine is really really dated, I hope to god next bethesda RPG uses a radically improved game engine and not next evolutional iteration of netimmerse/gamebryo/whateveritsnamenow. it is  the weakest point of their games
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Reply #23 on: November 22, 2013, 05:39:17 AM

Bethesda doesn't have good enough programmers do so.

I was secretly having this nerd fantasy that when Zenimax aquired Id that they'd enslave John Carmack to write an engine and toolset for Bethesda games.

Instead they had him write an engine designed for supercomputers from the future and used it on Rage which sold like 5 copies.

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Reply #24 on: November 22, 2013, 07:31:25 AM

Errr, didn't John Carmack demo Idtech 5 (Rage engine) way before the Zinemax acquisition of ID?
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Reply #25 on: November 22, 2013, 07:48:00 AM

RAGE was a light brown turd in a light brown bag, but yeah, that was pretty much pre-Bethsoft.

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Reply #26 on: November 22, 2013, 04:19:53 PM

I'm a blasphemer but never enjoyed FO1 or 2.  The things people hated about 3 for "not following Fallout" were the things I really enjoyed.  The FPS V.A.T.S. system; being first-person and not being able to control my follower.  All plusses for me that let me get into the story more than the prior ones. 

Plus, being FPS I didn't suck QUITE as hard at the start because I didn't know the "proper" way to build a FO character.  All my FA2 attempts ended in unwinnable fights in the first town.

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Reply #27 on: November 22, 2013, 04:23:17 PM

I Think 2 was great for its time. I thought 3 was superior though, but I am partial to shooters. They nailed things like setting and lore between the two, so I have no complaints. I found New Vegas....off somehow. Still a good game though.

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Reply #28 on: November 22, 2013, 05:15:44 PM

IMO 2 isn't that great, I agree with the criticism from the FO1 guy, forgethisname, who thought it took the quirky too far.

FO3 is a excellent game, and is NV - though both aren't exactly great in the core story.

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Reply #29 on: November 22, 2013, 05:25:18 PM

In any case, I think Bethesda will want to insert something between ES-Online and TES7:NextProvince, so Fallout 4 seems likely.
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Reply #30 on: November 22, 2013, 09:26:06 PM

To me, FO1 was great -- it had it's own tone and sensibility that just clicked for me.  FO2 was more of the same, but they went too far with the pop culture references and 4th-wall breaking.  FO3 felt like a really excellent Oblivion mod made by serious fans who loved the material, but just couldn't get the feel quite right.  FO:NV recaptured that Fallout vibe.

If I had to describe the "fallout vibe", I guess it would be a pervading feeling of "oh god, we are so screwed" but without it being bleak.  I guess that's where FO3 fell down for me.  They had all the 50's tech, and SPECIAL, and other surface stuff, but the tone was just unremittingly grim.

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Reply #31 on: November 22, 2013, 09:32:30 PM

FO3s problem was it felt like the world had only recently stopped, not stopped a fair while ago and started again. There wasn't enough life, grim or otherwise, around. Not enough emphasis on the Post part of post-apocalyptic.

NV was almost perfect, except the main storyline shitted me. Neary everyone goes full retard in video game denoumonts. They have no conception that you can built a story without having to constantly go for more more more.

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Reply #32 on: November 24, 2013, 08:29:37 AM

NV>>>>>FO3.  New Vegas was tremendous.  Great setting, great factions and mostly great characters.  Yes-Man was awesome and I personally really liked the story.  Go NCR if you want to be a good guy, go Legion if you want to be a bad guy...or take over New Vegas and become your own faction!  FO3 had some great spots too, but I never finished it, had three game-ending crashes.  I did like Three Dog and the mysterious man at Megaton.  Oh and the Lincoln Repeater!  God that gun was love.

Since I didn't play the first two, I was also into the lore.  I hope a new one is more NV than FO3.

Plus that great retro soundtrack.  Got-DAMN Dean Martin was the man!  All this cheerful music playing over a nuclear wasteland.  Great contrast.  Got me to watch the original 'Ocean's Eleven' with Sinatra, et al. 
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Reply #33 on: November 24, 2013, 12:34:11 PM

NV was probably one of my favourite games ever.  I want them to make a new one and I want to love it.

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Reply #34 on: November 24, 2013, 02:34:58 PM

So, is this truly a hoax or not? A friend who isn't usually a total rube has posted other stuff on Facebook that seems plausible.

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