f13.net

This appeared.

http://www.thesurvivor2299.com/

And to get more info you could probably read this. (http://www.incgamers.com/2013/11/fallout-4-teaser-site-updates-new-morse-code-message)


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Edit by Trippy: updating title

My, my.
Will we get to blow up a city like Megaton again?
Or are we going to meet vampires in the wasteland?
I can't wait.

I'll get more excited if it:

a. Is using an engine that isn't the same fork of Gambryo that they've been Frankensteining  since 1999
b. Doesn't have a horrible consolized UI
c. Is actually a good Fallout game* this time, instead of being a slavish tone-deaf aping of Fallout themes in a setting that actively works to break your suspension of disbelief


*As opposed to being a good game, but a bad Fallout game.

For the "real" Fallout feeling I am super happy with what Wasteland 2 seems to be.

For everything else, Fallout 3 scratched so many itches I can't even count them. I know they shouldn't really be compared but _to me_ it was more enjoyable than Skyrim by a million miles, and they are both fantastic games.

So all in all I am really excited about this. Many ways to fuck it up, but considering how much I loved Fallout 3 (after loving Fallout 2, and 1, and Wasteland despite the bvious differences) and New Vegas, I can't help but be very excited about this.

So it's probably the Fallout 3 team not the Fallout: New Vegas team? Them I'm already less enthusiastic about a Fallout 4. Fallout 3 felt more like a mimicking of Fallout by a teak that didn't realy 'get it' even though it was a great game, it just wasn't a great Fallout game.

I also second Koro's sentiment. Skyrim is a great game but the engine feels awfully dated and was always the source of most of the gamebreaking bugs that plagued the early releases of all Elder Scrolls and all Fallout games.

I'm excited about Fallout and if it isn't a trainwreck on a monumental scale I'll probably get it as soon as it is released (and I might even get the collector's edition if it has something interesting like a lunchbox or a bobblehead :grin: )

which doesn't mean that I'm not hoping for some significant improvements compared to FO3 and Skyrim

That's weird. Can't comment on bugs as I tend to ignore them and not care unless they are gamebreaking (and if there were any I didn't meet 'em neither in Fallout 3 nor in Skyrim), but I always appreciated the engine. Maybe my standards have gotten very low *shrug*

I've played both FO:3 and FO:NV for more hours than I care to admit.

FO:3 had severe bugs that could lead to save game corruption and meant that you couldn't start/couldn't complete certain quests. Even with the last patch they issued (1.18 or an even higher number) the game manages to lock up my 360 every few hours and I need to power cycle it.

FO:NV was in a similar state at release and Skyrim taxed the engine so much that they can't even release one of the DLC modules on the PS3 because they ran out of resources. Don't get me started on the buggy mess games like Daggerfall or Oblivion were or still are. I've recently revisted FO:NV and tried Skyrim but compared to some other open-world games even Skyrim feels clunky and dated to me even though the graphics are good. The interface and controls just feel like it's a decade old game (which it is at its core).

Bethesda basically uses the same engine since 1998 and they've modified it and added features to it so many times over the years that it has become a constant source of trouble for them. A fact they are pretty much admitting themselves. It's just that most other types of 3D engine are designed for 3rd or 1st person shooters where you have a lot less objects and characters you need to handle and need to manage much less state. Unreal can manage about 50 object at a time for example.

Just imagine what a new Fallout would be like if it could use the engine of GTA 5 on the next gen consoles or the PC.

There is a lot of talk that this might be a hoax site so have, at most, cautious optimism.

http://newfallout.com/is-the-survivor-2299-fake/

I'm happy to give Bethseda abunch of trust after Skyrim, which I enjoyed more than Fallout 3 (loved both games, Skyrim just felt richer and more expansive). If they do make a Fallout 4 along the same lines and scale I can get behind that eagerly.

 :why_so_serious:

More seriously, I didn't know and I am sorry for that. It would drive me nuts. But even with all the console talking in the other threads, to me these games are just PC native and I would never consider getting them on a console. It's like asking for trouble. But that, of course, doesn't justify poor programming.

Lesson learned? Get Fallout 4 on the PC, treat it like a Windows exclusive, and things should be fine.

I also agree the interface is bad in both those games, but I commented because you mentioned the dated engine. I hated the interface, but loved the engine.

Oh well, straight to the Den if it's true.

Unless... Fallout 4 takes place in Poland.

I probably will play the next Fallout on a PC just because the mod community is so prolific. With current mods Fallout or Skyrim look much better than they originally did.

I really don't get the hate on FO3, FO NV or Skyrim. I loved them all as-is and I love that the company remains friendly to modding.

Skip console releases, wait for LoversLab mods, steam sales on xmas 30% off 2014, profit.

The Fallout series is my favourite ever!

For some reason or another I didn't like the combat on the Fallout stuff.

"Calling any station, please wait?"  WTF would be the point of such a transmission?  You call any station to relay immediate information, such as a request for help, not to put them on hold. 

It's like "Hello, anybody?  Anybody?  Please anybody answer me?"
"Yeah?  What's up?"
"Please hold."
"WTF?"

I don't see much hate for NV anywhere really. Skyrim is mostly disliked by people who don't enjoy the sandbox style. And it's true that the main storyline (and things such as party interaction) aren't the strong point of the game.

Even Fallout 3 isn't terrible, more "meh". Being number 3 obviously people compared it 1+2 which highlighted the flaws.

I'm quite the opposite.  Fallout 3 >>> New Vegas for that nostalgia feel to me.

Yeah, I can see why people prefer the whimsical world of DC Wasteland to the serious business of Vegas (Don't you just get tired of those courier jobs? Seriously!)
Who can forget the journeys that took them to a crater of an unexploded bombs, a house in the middle of nowhere with cannibal family, and a small colony made up of children with deathclaws lurking beneath the complex?

Vegas had very little memorable places in Vanilla, there's this stupid vault where there's election posters that doesn't seem to lead anywhere. When I nearly gave up I found a key and all it did was unlock a damn room with a projector, saying congrats! You found this room! And a frickin' killer bots came out of the walls to kill me. Also? No loot. What a shit dungeon design by Obsidian.

The Fallout lore just entrances me. I've spent whole days just on the wikia reading about the different vaults and the crazy lore around it. It's all got this crazy psychological fuckupedness bent on it. Looking forward to more.

 bethesda games since Fo3( fo:nv, skyrim) -l are all amazing games. However the engine is really really dated, I hope to god next bethesda RPG uses a radically improved game engine and not next evolutional iteration of netimmerse/gamebryo/whateveritsnamenow. it is  the weakest point of their games

Bethesda doesn't have good enough programmers do so.

I was secretly having this nerd fantasy that when Zenimax aquired Id that they'd enslave John Carmack to write an engine and toolset for Bethesda games.

Instead they had him write an engine designed for supercomputers from the future and used it on Rage which sold like 5 copies.

Errr, didn't John Carmack demo Idtech 5 (Rage engine) way before the Zinemax acquisition of ID?

RAGE was a light brown turd in a light brown bag, but yeah, that was pretty much pre-Bethsoft.

And it did induce RAGE, for spending hard earned lucre on said shit.

I'm a blasphemer but never enjoyed FO1 or 2.  The things people hated about 3 for "not following Fallout" were the things I really enjoyed.  The FPS V.A.T.S. system; being first-person and not being able to control my follower.  All plusses for me that let me get into the story more than the prior ones. 

Plus, being FPS I didn't suck QUITE as hard at the start because I didn't know the "proper" way to build a FO character.  All my FA2 attempts ended in unwinnable fights in the first town.

I Think 2 was great for its time. I thought 3 was superior though, but I am partial to shooters. They nailed things like setting and lore between the two, so I have no complaints. I found New Vegas....off somehow. Still a good game though.

IMO 2 isn't that great, I agree with the criticism from the FO1 guy, forgethisname, who thought it took the quirky too far.

FO3 is a excellent game, and is NV - though both aren't exactly great in the core story.

In any case, I think Bethesda will want to insert something between ES-Online and TES7:NextProvince, so Fallout 4 seems likely.

To me, FO1 was great -- it had it's own tone and sensibility that just clicked for me.  FO2 was more of the same, but they went too far with the pop culture references and 4th-wall breaking.  FO3 felt like a really excellent Oblivion mod made by serious fans who loved the material, but just couldn't get the feel quite right.  FO:NV recaptured that Fallout vibe.

If I had to describe the "fallout vibe", I guess it would be a pervading feeling of "oh god, we are so screwed" but without it being bleak.  I guess that's where FO3 fell down for me.  They had all the 50's tech, and SPECIAL, and other surface stuff, but the tone was just unremittingly grim.

FO3s problem was it felt like the world had only recently stopped, not stopped a fair while ago and started again. There wasn't enough life, grim or otherwise, around. Not enough emphasis on the Post part of post-apocalyptic.

NV was almost perfect, except the main storyline shitted me. Neary everyone goes full retard in video game denoumonts. They have no conception that you can built a story without having to constantly go for more more more.

NV>>>>>FO3.  New Vegas was tremendous.  Great setting, great factions and mostly great characters.  Yes-Man was awesome and I personally really liked the story.  Go NCR if you want to be a good guy, go Legion if you want to be a bad guy...or take over New Vegas and become your own faction!  FO3 had some great spots too, but I never finished it, had three game-ending crashes.  I did like Three Dog and the mysterious man at Megaton.  Oh and the Lincoln Repeater!  God that gun was love.

Since I didn't play the first two, I was also into the lore.  I hope a new one is more NV than FO3.

Plus that great retro soundtrack.  Got-DAMN Dean Martin was the man!  All this cheerful music playing over a nuclear wasteland.  Great contrast.  Got me to watch the original 'Ocean's Eleven' with Sinatra, et al. 

NV was probably one of my favourite games ever.  I want them to make a new one and I want to love it.

So, is this truly a hoax or not? A friend who isn't usually a total rube has posted other stuff on Facebook that seems plausible.

We should find out by December 11.

Oh, sooner than that apparently. 6 days, says the morse code website.

Doesn't matter.
Release is still 2 years away at least.

Well seems like this particular  one is hoax, but that doesnt mean FO4 is not in the development. In fact  it is probably very likely in the development already - Bethesda would be dumb not to make another game given huge success of 2 previous ones

The message on yhe Survivor2299 page has changed to "Nuclear Winter is coming in <countdown>".

From an interview to Brian Fargo of Wasteland 2.

I think the announcement lines up with Spike's god awful VGAs?

Makes sense, I think that's how Bethesda also announced Skyrim.

Edit: Haha, nope.

Sure why not bump this olde thread that has nothing to do with Fallout 4, actually...

So that I can bring you...

http://fallout.bethsoft.com/

So they are really really really gonna this time?  The world needs the next Fallout game, and it can't come soon enough.

Oh, and a pre-emptive "go fuck yourselves, it will fail" if this turns out to be Fallout Online or some bullshit.

Can I hope for Fallout 4: Wastelandcraft though?

Seriously.

Can we stop with the goddamned mmo thing already?

Fallout 4 is a day 1 purchase. Fallout Online is a disappointment even just as an announcement

Doesn't "Interplay" still own the rights to make a Fallout MMO? So Bethesda couldn't do Fallout Online if they wanted to (and I'm not sure they'd want to after ESO).

Bethesda owns it after court settlement with interplay

Has Bethesda made more than one MMO?  No company would come out with a 2nd MMO within 2 years of release of another one, so not quite sure why anyone would expect an online fallout.

I hope it's Fallout Online for the tears.

Let the gnashing of teeth commence! REND THE GARMENTS!

ZoS and bethesda are different studios with same owner, so not different than guild wars 2 and wildstar that were made by fully owned subsidiaries of ncsoft. Turbine released ddo and lotro back to back years. Pretty sure SOE has done the same.

Given the quarrel that bethesda had with interplay over fallout online and that they paid a settlement to secure fallout online for themselves makes it a possibility.

True, I forgot about that.

However, I doubt Zenimax would bank roll two MMOs at a time, especially with Bethesda who has zero experience with multiplayer, let alone MMO.

Fuck they'd better not make this an MMO. We've had MechWarrior arsed up with online bullshit, we've had The Elder Scrolls daubed with online turd, Sim City fucked it it's sewage hole with online bollocks, the list never ends.

If this is a crappy MMO then I'll just retreat into Minecraft forever and make my own post-apocalyptic wasteland out of cobblestone!

With hookers and blackjack?

I'm pumped for anything Fallout related.

I look forward to playing this in a year when the game is patched up, all the mediocre-to-decent DLC is out, and mods fix the most egregious gameplay problems.

I hope someone makes a mod to improve the UI for PC. -_-

I hope someone charges $9.99 for it.

I'll play it at launch and love it, bugs and all.

They should pay Obsidian their backpay over the New Vegas thing plus some more to have them write and design the game, then have Bethesda actually program it since the only company worse at producing working games than Bethesda is Obsidian.

I love you SO much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnn2rJpjar4

As a German Shepherd ownder, the mocap on the dog was awesome and perfect.

So fucking stoked.

Day 1 purchase.

Yep, day 1 purchase.

I don't get it.  It looks like just the same game.

All the Fallout games are basically the same game.

 :heartbreak:

Awesome.

Not really....

You can say the same thing about the New Vegas trailer looking like Fallout 3, but it was still a fantastic game on it's own, which is why I'm excited for this.

So Fallout 4 with a slightly tweaked Skyrim engine as literally everyone expected.

Nice to see that there'll be something resembling an actual city now; the lack of scale on the new civilization was kinda weak in FO3 and NV. Like "oh wow, it's vegas!" and it's like half a city block divided into 3 load screens.

Sure they are, but that isn't a bad thing.  Why stray too far from the formula that works.  You're a person with a pipboy and you set off into the wasteland.  That's fallout. 

This. I mean, of course day 1 purchase; I got tons of play out of FO3. But NV was sooo much better and I got 3x as much enjoyment and time out of it.

So I'm also looking forward to the next Obsidian FO...

Same game that I loved like crazy six years ago or so, haven't played in that long, with improved graphics, scenery, and new stories? That's all I wanted.

Yeah, New Vegas was actually my favorite of all the Fallout games.

It's why I don't like them as a whole.

Being from Mass, the Boston setting is Fahkin saweet.

I think you mean wicked ahsum.

I look forward to the first shot of the PC's first house overflowing to the ceiling with collected boxes of macaroni or empty nuka cola bottles or some shit

Fallout with colors and Troy Baker. Yeah it might be ok.

No it wasn't and the fur sucked too.

I did.  I didn't buy it either.

It wasn't awesome but....it was a realistic portrayal of what the gameplay will look like.  Remember the bait and switch that was that watchdogs trailer? NEVER AGAIN!

Plot twist: you play as the dog.

Given the amount of pre-apocolypse stuff in the trailer, I wonder if there will be some sort of pre-apocolypse play involved.

And no indication of any MMO nonsense. Thank Christ.

Day 1 purchase.

The trailer didn't show anything that warranted a day 1 purchase, so might end up skipping on the paid beta and buy it once its patched properly instead. Its too early to tell.

It would be cool if the tutorial was pre-apoc instead of being a little kid in FO3.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Mind you, the timeline wouldn't work out for the same character, but maybe building the "mindset" of the vault or something along those lines.

They could always have the tutorial be the great grandparent of the actual MC.

Not really hyped because I've never been much into the Fallout setting; graphics (although, yes, still a work in progress of course) looks more akin to the old 2008 gamebyro rather than Skyrim's Creation engine. Not exactly impressed by this first look (looking forward to the E3 conference, anyway)

You missed out. New Vegas was far better than FO3 and I really enjoyed FO3. Give it a whirl now that it's on uberdiscountsale.  Or I think I can let you borrow it on Steam.. we can do that now, right?

GIMME

Can you do that ?

Yes. I looked it up!
http://www.maximumpc.com/how-share-steam-games-2014/
  :awesome_for_real:

Think they may have nerfed that man.  Instead of picking accounts I want to authorize as family in the family section (which the screenshot in that article shows), I have to selection eligible users who may use my library on authorized computers.  Which of course are none because I haven't authorized the PC's (however you do that) of random individuals).  Not sure if there is an easy work around, but it seems they made it much harder to share with people you don't actually physically know.

Which is to bad.  I'm a packrat nerd with too much money and a bad collecting habit.  Have almost 500 steam games, the vast majority of which I haven't even touched.  Would be happy to share.   :awesome_for_real:

I'm pretty sure that's the purpose of the sharing mechanism, since it is family sharing. 

Sure, but originally (like when that article was written) they had it setup so you could name anybody on your friends list (up to a number cap) to share it with.

wat. Yeah, fur wasn't great but the motion of the animal was exactly how Shepherds act. It was like I was watching a virtual version of my dog.

Yeah, you have to communicate you can't just go, "LULZ HERE YOU GO." It has to be someone at your place logging-in or someone you trust enough to share your account info with.

That's still less of a draw-back than the fact only one person can ever be logged-in to the shared accounts. (Unless one of you goes offline mode, but then what about your CHEEVES man!?)

Good trailer.

Awww yessss mutha-fuckin' Fallout.

You can pre order already but you know you really shouldn't.  Srsly.  :)

I hope they expand out their comfort zone a bit. Trying to get by with same revelations (where super mutants come from, who the enclave are, that vaults are sinister) would be a big disappointment. I had played FO3 first and all those revelations were pretty great. Then I eventually went back and played 1,2 and was like, oh they're actually pretty lazy.

I hate to admit it but I might pre-order this game if they happen to announce an interesting collector's edition for it. :oops:
(but for the normal edition I see no real reason to pre-order especially so soon).

The idea of pre-ordering anything these days without some major carrot being dangled is pretty absurd. 

I'm unlikely to pre-order. The reason for pre-ordering in the distant past was, for me, to ensure you got a copy on release day, back when physical copies from actual stores was a thing.

However, I do have five good reasons for considering it a probable day 1 purchase: Fallout, Fallout 2, Fallout: Tactics, Fallout 3 and Fallout: NV. All of which I bought, played, loved and re-played. In this case I'd be fine with not much innovation. More of the same is fine with me here. All I ask is that they don't fuck it up.

My faith in the gaming industry is so low now that just not making it worse than Fallout 3 or NV is all I hope for.

I know.  Me, too.  I really shouldn't though.   :grin:

Pre-ordering to get some kind of THING is at least reasonable.  Right now they just put the game up for 60 bucks on Steam without even a release date announced.  There is no reason to do that.  It's not like steam is going to run out of copies.

My son takes our Fallout 3 lunch box to school. :)  He likes the little dude in a blue suit holding a massive canon.  I have the bobble-head on my desk at work.

I'll preorder the collector's edition, for the crazy crap included. I use my Nuka-Cola bottle opener at home and smile every time.

Devs apparently learned NOTHING from Fallout 3.  One dog ain't enough.  Even two is too low.

Yes the mannerisms were cool but the initial walk animation was jerky and the run animation looked "floaty".

This is coming out polished and bug free 11/10/15.

And there's a gameplay video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc-X9vjuQxw

Bethesda.Net = uPlay

Ahahahha.

Thanks for the reminder of why I shouldn't order. I fully expected to wait a year until released was announced, I can wait till a GOTY or similar with fixes comes out.

The wearable PIP Boy seems like a pretty damn big carrot. I will preorder collector's edition for that alone.

http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/15/fallout-4-offers-players-a-real-life-pip-boy-and-fallout-shelter-hits-ios/

It's allegedly been in development for four years based on an article I read today. Not that that means anything.

Said I'll order the pipboy edition today

don't want a physical game but whatever

amazon sold out

oh well, it's plastic trash you put your phone in anyway

schild tries his hand at slam poetry.

Is it my machine or is that categorically not 1080p60fps? Looks cruddy to me.

Also, although I will probably also buy it first day, just because these games tend to be good, can we stop pretending its robot Jesus? Nothing has really changed that dramatically. No serious revision of the artwork, no announced revolutionary game play, no significant additional features that I can tell. I'm used to F13 being a group of crabby old farts that don't get moved to excitement unless its something that's been tried and true by other suckers first, so I am a bit appalled at all the fanboi-ism going on.

Forsooth, my monocle has not popped out for this at all.

Edit: Looks like there's going to be a whole new crafting element (https://youtu.be/cR4jQPloOIg?list=PLsiJPoHlPqEFgVeyQCF8zxrFhcA-iz4l5) that does, indeed, look pretty cool.

Completely useless.  For the price of that stupid piece of plastic that will just take up space in the corner of your office, you can buy a 3 years worth of backlog games during the Steam sale.

I doubt I'll have even purchased/finished Witcher 3 by November.  That makes it likely, however, that I can just purchase the "sorry for all of the bugs" version they'll release in a year for the price of a burrito.  Because, once this is out, all other games cease to exist.

As of last night, there were more collector's edition preorders available.

FYI Gamestop just phoned me letting me know there were more PC pipboy editions available.

Crappy plastic in the hour of preorder

I like my Diablo skull usb drive holder from my Diablo 3 collector's edition . :awesome_for_real:

Mine never left the Diablo box.

Mine is still in the box too, that just happens to be the last plastic thing I got in a game box.

After reading about the latest disaster of a launched game it better be an amazing deal for me to pre-order fallout 4 on PC.

Ahem.


Though, in fairness, that crafting does look interesting, but I worry that it's probably in the wrong game.  I meant, what's the point ?

Robot Jesus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly8_wwGuU2Q

Though I'd like a little co-op, the point is to make the world your own.  It's exactly the sort of thing I want in a Fallout.  I'll spend as much time putting up settlements as exploring the wasteland.

In all the Bethesda games it takes me years to get around to beating the main plot, if I ever do.

Ok, but that's not what fallout is to me.  Skyrim, sure, Fallout, not so much.

I prefer Sci-Fi to Fantasy, so it very much works for me.

It's totally optional. If you don't want to rebuild the post apocalypse world, then ignore it. It being there adds value for those of us who think it'd be great fun while not hurting you at all.

Strictly speaking, the effort going into this could be better spent elsewhere. Content being optional doesn't excuse it for being off theme and/or bad.

Where else are they going to go with an open-world game than making it more open-world?

Mass Effect 3 for example experienced significant delays because of the co-op multiplayer not being ready on time. This lead to all kinds of internal resource reshuffling and also to the single player campaign getting less resources than would have been necessary.

Some even argue that the way the ending was handled was due to the multiplayer having eaten up so much time and budget that they had no way of finishing the single player before release.

So I'm in the camp of people that are skeptical about content like the world building because it seems to be unnecessary for the way I'd like a new Fallout to play and it might direct resources away from the more essential parts of the game.

Multi-player was not essential to Mass Effect.

More stuff to do is kind of the point of a sandbox game, though.

Yeah, it sounds completely likely that the problems with Mass Effect 3's ending were due to them working in Multiplayer that a different studio was making.

I absolutely love the idea of adding world building elements to it. Especially due to the connotations for Modding. 

Except that Bioware employees said that the multiplayer caused serious delays and that Bioware internal resources working on the SP had to be attached to that development in order to make sure it got finished on time. Transferring resources away from ME 3 to help out with Star Wars: TOR didn't help either.

Bioware's release date for ME 3 got pushed back 6 months and was very close to be pushed back another 3 - 6 when it was decided that it would ship close to christmas.

be that as it may though. All of this "build your own fort" stuff has to be debveloped and tested and budgeted and if this takes resources away from the single player campaign and I'Lll be rather pissed off.

If it was delayed several times, then wouldn't that indicate they had more time to work on the ending, even if it was reduced staffing during that period?  You're trying to rationalize why it was a bad ending when they were just morons about it.  Look at how long and stridently they defended Red, Green, Blue.  It wasn't a matter of resource allocation.

I'm not surprised they decided to have the town building thing in a sandbox game as since Morrowind people have been trying to find and decorate their houses (even if it means filling their house with hundreds of watermelons). 

Town building game seems to be a pretty natural extension of that in my opinion, but I do agree that it seems more natural in an ES game rather than a Fallout game (though not game-breakingly so).

 I dunno, building a half functional post apocalyptic settlement actually sounds more like something a survivor of the wasteland would try to do instead of building a settlement in a world full of fully functioning towns in Skyrim or something.

Eh, ME3 was mediocre-to-terrible the entire way through. The unfortunate ending is merely a sad valediction at the end of a long, hateful letter to the rest of the series.

New perks, new shooting, and a very familiar feel (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/08/fallout-4-new-perks-new-shooting-and-a-very-familiar-feel/)

I finally have a game to look forward to.

Oh yes.

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Um, you're reading different things than I did about ME3 s ending.

The writers who posted stuff on PA, that was subsequently deleted, were quite clear that it was nothing to do with the multiplayer at all. It was handled by another studio, and wasn't an issue at all.

The problem was simply not enough time to resolve the ending - they kept getting stuck on how to resolve it, and having Javik be taken out as DLC meant the ending had to be rewritten again at the last minute. in the end, the two main writers locked themsleves in a room and deliberately chose an ending to cause "speculation", and sidestepped the usual Bioware writing process of having the writing team critique each individual bit. That's how the game has some truly brilliant writing (Mordins arc, Thane's death) alongside the unbeliveably crappy ending.

Leaked Alpha Footage (https://youtu.be/XJM_RSVjYZQ)

Leaked soundtrack (http://www.hark.com/clips/phkhzfsqcr-david-allen-coe-and-hank-williams-jr-were-you-born-an-asshole-1)

I am sorely looking forward to that improved companion AI.  Seems like there's a shortcut to just go from day->night instead of resting X hours which is nice.  Based on the teaser of entering the vault at the end it looks like they may have changed canon and moved the outbreak of nuclear war from the 50's to the 70's though.  I'm not sure why they would go in that direction.

20 years of technological development pre-war is huge. Would allow them to bring in tech options and lore that hadn't/couldn't have been considered before. Also, 20 more years of music and cultural selection/variety/exploitation.

The 70's music would be a massive upgrade from that crooner shit Sky linked.  I will only accept this change if I get to actually drive a VW bus though.

A VW bus with a gatling laser turret on top.  I demand the juxtaposition of a hippie peace symbol on a VW Bus armed with a weapon of mass destruction.

Edit: In hindsight the AI, though greatly upgraded, did wig out around the 2:10 mark.  I'm sure they'll have it fixed by release though.

....you guys realize the nuclear war happened in the year 2077, right?

It's just a weird future world where everything looks like a 1950's version of the far future.

You clearly didn't watch the video my friend.

You shut your dirty damned pie hole, talking about Bocephus like that.

Hm, this didn't work very well.  I was pretending you linked an actual leaked sound track which would have been 50's music like crooners.

I want a post-apocalyptic RPG that takes place in a world where the apocalypse actually happened in the mid to late 90's or early 2000's. So I can have a Sony 90's walkman styled pipboy blasting out "classic" numetal and ska

The survivors would envy the dead.

A world where all progress ended in the 1970s and survivors fight over treasures such as Afghan coats and Bay City Roller cassettes sounds like fun to me

Sounds like Canada to me...

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Screenshot of the new Canadian-based Fallout 4 gameplay: http://i.imgur.com/EcUyPHM.jpg

Gonna blast some Slipknot on my Sony PipMan and dome these sorry raiders with my modded Tek9, wearing layered denim armor and shutter shades

You forgot to smack your bitch up, Barbie girl.

Fallout 4 - Launch and Beyond (http://bethesda.net/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=090915-F4SeasonPass#en/events/game/fallout-4-launch-and-beyond/2015/09/08/22)

No great surprises but good to have them clearly state:

I did notice that there's no assurance that those mods will all be free.... but I'd have hoped they're not ready to poke that hornet's nest again so soon.

I would even wager that they'll bring back paid mods since there's no controversy over previously free mods this time. The idea of being able to monetize modding must be too tempting to pass (considering something like Nexus has 755+ million downloads of 43k+ files for Skyrim alone).  :oh_i_see:

Honestly I think they'll get exactly the same outrage as before if they try it again, irrespective of it being a new game.

What they saw last time was that it massively pissed off their fanbase, garnering them nothing except negative press. Plus it resulted in a slew of utterly shite mods being released solely to try and cash in. It did neither them nor the image of their game any good at all. They'd be fools to try it again so soon.

Gaming Execs.

And now you need another 30 bucks for the Season pass on the DLC's.   :awesome_for_real:

Am I the only one who hates the term "season pass" to DLC.? I don't mind paying for DLC expansions, but season pass makes me feel like I'm buying admission to the zoo for the summer instead of putting money down for DLC I'll have in my steam library forever.  Even if its a good deal (cheaper than the individual DLCs that come out) I somehow always feel like I'm being ripped off by anything called a season pass in a video game.

I agree and that's why I don't do them. I'll wait until the DLC falls if it's more than a few bucks extra. Hell, I didn't miss the Fallout 3 DLC at all since I never bought most of it. I only got the New Vegas DLC because I waited until there was a reasonable bundle 6 months later.

I hate them too. And not just that. I have a tendency to not go back to games I've already played no matter how cool a DLC is because that game, to me, is in the past. There are exceptions, but for the most part I am not that into DLC. You know what and when I love DLCs? When they are given to me for free in the "Complete Edition" you buy one or two years later. That feels right, like you are finally playing the whole game. Other than that, if I cannot wait (see Fallout 4) I'll just play the game straight as it comes when it is released, and most likely not give a fuck about the DLCs at any given point.

Only a few days ago I bought Shadow of Mordor for 15$ with 18 DLC (which were supposedly all the content from their Season Pass). Not sure if any of that is good, but in such a case I am not gonna complain about extra content and fluff. But generally speaking, as I said, don't see why I would pre-pay for content I don't even know what is it going to be about.

Season passes tend to be shitty dlc too.

And you get that sort of shit that Gearbox/2K pulled with the Borderlands Pre-Sequel, where they just shutter the studio and cancel that last bit of "season pass" DLC. Because fuck you, we already have your money so we owe you nothing - that's why.  :awesome_for_real:

This is as likely to not be any worse than FO3. So I'll probably play it. I liked NV more.

I can't find anything to be excited about it though... other than Courtenay Taylor doing the protag (and/or wife?).

Oddly, I liked NV better too...though I never came close to finishing it really.  And yet I played FO3 through twice, the last time within the last year or so.

I could never get into NV.  The direction felt too forced.  I know it was setting up a narrative, but every time I tried to go back it felt old.  With FO3 I just picked a direction and headed off.

That was a problem with NV. An open world game isn't very open world if 7/8 of the directions you could head from the starting town lead to instant death. I've tried to go back to play it again, but I know if I do, the first ten hours will be the exact same series of events. I guess I could betray the town and join the Powder Gangers, but that plot thread is so bare, there's almost no point.

I am hoping that 4 will do a bit better job filling out the plot a bit more for people who make a "non standard" choice in how they do things. A la the pros and cons of nuking Megaton, though even there the "bad" option should have been filled in more.

The bad option for megaton sucks if you went to megaton first.

But I'm pretty sure if you just wander around out of the cave, you might run into the big highrise. The old dude gives you the mission to blow up Megaton that way, if I'm not mistaken. Which makes more sense from a story pov (if you want to be an ass).

It just requires a different kind of playstyle most people don't use. They follow quest checkpoints instead and go to Megaton.

Yeah, that was a design decision in FO:NV. They wanted to introduce you to the wastes and the players, and in that it wasn't too different from FO1 and FO2 (Trying to get to Navarro was a death sentence in most cases). In FO3 the enemies scaled with you in level, where in FO:NV they had specific levels.

Yeah, the giant mountain in the middle of the map is a little lame, it basically does force a linear approach to the first part of the game (until you get to New Vegas itself).  On the other hand, overall I liked New Vegas a lot more than Fallout 3.  It "felt" more like a Fallout game to me for reasons that I can't necessarily articulate.

More desert, more ruins. FO3 had too many somewhat-intact structures around since it was in D.C. Setting it in a major urban environment was an error.

The generation it was made for didn't do it favors either... just about every other game was brown and grey too. Except they chose a whole setting where even making an effort at anything else was pointless too.


OTOH, this new game looks almost overly fun and colorful for an FO game. So...umm...


Screw it. I gotta stop bitching.

For now.

Exactly the same for me.  I played FO3 saving Megaton and killing Megaton.  The first made the early levels much easier. For NV, I never even made it into NV but I explored the hell out of everything else.

Me too.  NV was my fav of the series and one of my fav games ever.

One of the great pieces of NV was the multi-pronged approach to the storyline. Caesar, New Rep or Mr. House you could go any way fairly naturally. FO3 I always felt forced to get the reactor going and your 'big choice' was "Die or die."

Fuck you, SuperMutant. You get your ass in there and change that goddamn nuclear device yourself. You're the one immune to radiation, not me. I don't give a fuck what "my story" is or whatever the bullshit line forcing me to die was.

If you bought one of the DLC's, you survived.  :why_so_serious:

There's some good DLC's for both games, For FO:3 Mothership Zeta, just to kill Grays and for NO:NV Old World Blues, fucking funniest 4 hours ever spent in a game.

Yours and mine.  :heart: Soo many hours played. Even kept a (badly written, I guess) personal diary from the perspective of the my courier. Helped with immersion.


The big question for Fallout 4 for me is: Play it on release or wait long until until all the mods are out that turn it into something even better...  :oh_i_see:

Think I'll wait until Christmas so that most of the game breaking bugs are fixed.

Witcher 3 makes my computer's fans spin up rather noisily, I might have to do a round of upgrades for this.

FO3 was too grey. NV was better, but I found the game boring once you got to Vegas itself, the faction crap bored me.

I usually hate the way video games end though, I don't enjoy the dramatic arc that means it always has to be 'epic'. I prefer a game of subquests that you cohere in to a narrative more subtly.

The background story in NV I like, but when you were thrust centre stage I found it naff.

NV had a few things that were kinda videogamey that bothered me.

Namely the NCR and Legion forgiving you the instant you entered House's casino no matter what you've done, because they couldn't really account for what the player might have done before then.

I sort of liked NV better, in fact specifically including the faction play. Had more of an emotional hook for me. I also didn't feel all that constrained once I got down to the town that the Legion has invaded--past that point I felt I had a couple of different places to go and some of the gear and skills I needed to go there. Especially on a second run-through, where I had some sense of how to get to places differently than the game 'intended' me to get there.

The problem I had with FO 3 is that the Fallout series is pretty much a satire of pulp sci fi/postapocalyptic fiction of the fifities and sixties and the ideology they promoted. It's basically a satire of the American Dream through the lens of fifties futurism. FO3 wasn't.

Fallout and Fallout 2 have a pretty dark and nihilistic humor and are also satirizing the wide-eyed and naive futurism, the blind belief ithat progress can only be positive and the "hurrah patriotism" of the fifties and sixties as evidenced in the literature and movies of the time and also evidenced in PSAs and things like the original "world of tomorrow" style exhibits. That's why it's a retro-futuristic game and that's also why it's so effective. It fuels its narrative from the fifties' vision of the American Dream, that even today politicians use when they mention the "good old times".

It's basically a "what if" scenario. What if all of the things that 1950's futurism proposed actually came to pass? That's why you still have computers driven by vacuum tubes and displays that use vacuum fluorescent tubes. That's why everything runs on nuclear power and that's also why the service robots look like they are straight out of lost in space and the weaponry looks like it could be straight out of Buck Rogers. That's also why the apocalypse in the Fallout universe happened, because the two major blocks never got over their propaganda and actually believed they could win an all out nuclear war against an utterly demonized opposition.

FO3 is only using the basic post-apocalyptic world building of the Fallout universe. It isn't interested in the original subtext (the ridiculousness and outright potential danger of 1950's futurism and cold war patriotism) and it also doesn't add a subtext of it's own. It misses both the scathing satire and also the dark nihilistic humor of previous games. It even misses any sort of twisted pop culture references the originals had. Except for a few isolated incidents like Liberty Prime or the radio broadcasts the robots transmit.

New Vegas came a lot closer to what I like about Wasteland and Fallout 1 and 2 than FO3 did. Also because Vegas is a piece of Americana that fits better into the Fallout Lore than Washington DC. Just like California in the original games Vegas is also much better known to people that are not from the US than Washington or Boston. FO3 is a great game and it has its moments but it also feels like it completely misses the point of the previous games. It's also hard to relate to when you're not from the US since the minutiae of the historical significance of the Capital Wasteland are almost entirely lost on people not from the US and also because it doesn't really tie into the area it plays in quite well. FO3 could have been set almost anywhere in the world without any need to modify the story.

So I'm not that hyped for FO 4 actually. It misses a key ingredient that made the original games and New Vegas great in my opinion (Black Isle's or Obsidian's writing and world building) and it is set in a part of the US I neither know much about nor particularly care for (Boston). It doesn't evoke the same level of familiarity that Vegas does or San Franscisco or LA or New York or even Miami. That's because those areas are part of the pop-cultural canon all over the world while Boston isn't. There's a reason Rockstar set the GTA games in certain cities during specific time periods. Vice City works because everyone knows Miami Vice and Scarface. San Andreas and V work because everyone knows about Hollywood and rap and hip hop culture of the nineties and today and GTA 3 and IV work because New York is basically the default setting for the majority of the cultural output of the US.

The only thing I know about Boston or even Massachusetts is that it is a place that exists and that seems to have some cultural significance for Americans.

In FNV, even though I had been to Vegas nothing there really evoked familiarity about the story or setting except for the main city in the game having casinos.  It's not like that immensely helped my enjoyment of the game.

I've been to SF several times and the only place I would recognize if it was in a video game would be the golden state bridge.  All other references would have gone over my head.  I can't think of many other cities that I'd recognize landmarks in a video game enough to make it worth playing on it's own.  In the end what mattes is the stories in the game and how fun the gameplay ends up being, both of which are completely irrelevant to what city it is based in.

Really? I never got that, but then I also never picked a side enough to piss them off until I got to the Casino. I made a beeline to NV in all my playthroughs.

The start of iconography is something that's set there. You could have given the same criticism in the 80's as nobody gave a rat's ass about Miami until Miami Vice. The same was true about Portland/ Seattle until the 90s grunge movement. Now you have imagery to go with them.

I sometimes feel like gamers have a hard time distinguishing between "this is my personal perception or hang-up" and "the designers did it wrong".

I'm not even sure I'd agree that FO3 doesn't have the same tone as FO2 in terms of its jabs at 50s futurism. It's a bit more earnest in its main plot, but there's plenty of set pieces that seem to me to say, "here's 50s futurism in the heart of American power, where it looks different than out West". The museums, for example.

One of the big things that I liked about New Vegas is that it came with a Hardcore mode straight out of the box.  In practice it isn't that "hardcore" but it did make the game feel a little more like I had to pay attention to actually surviving in the wasteland. 

Think so too. Both FO 3 and NV clearly seem routed in a very American 50ies style concept of the future. So while I'd really want a "Fallout Europe" I have it admit it most probably wouldn't work, because you would lose the Fallout-style that makes it what it is.



Edit: Regarding Jeff's points... I am not sure they matter. I have no attachment to Boston, but neither did I to Washington or Vegas, but in the end both drew me in.


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Things like this are neat, but not needed IMHO to appricate the game.

Well I could probably preface every single sentence I write with "in my humble opinion..." or "I think..." or we could simply agree that it goes without saying that stuff people write on the internet may contain traces of opinions and worldviews even though it might not be explicitely marked as such at the beginning of each and every sentence.

To all of you who disagree with my opinion on the setting, that's fine.

Don't underestimate though just how ingrained certain pieces of Americana are in the cultural consciousness of the western world. It's not necessarily about indicidual places that you could recognize. I guess that most people wouldn't be able to tell you where Compton is or the exact route of Route 66, some might confuse the Chrysler building and the Empire State building etc. Mentioning those places evokes something in the cultural consciousness of individuals that is not necessarily coupled to any sort of real landmarks but about what people "just know" about those places from being exposed to popular culture about them. In the same way that a lot of foreigners could probably tell you how the stereotypical "American Apple Pie" looks like even though they don't know how to bake one.

To put it another way. If you mention Germany, people either tend to think about the third Reich or about people wearing traditional leather trousers that drink beer, listen to polka music and like to eat fermented cabbage. There's a reason why the Oktoberfest is probably more well known all around the world than any other cultural export and there are probably an untold number of films, books and games that are set in WW2 Europe where Nazis are the generic enemies while the same can't be said for WW1. Steampunk works because "Victorian England" is such a well known brand that it doesn't even matter if that particular version of England actually even existed. The version of 1950's America that gets lampooned in those games and that Republican presidential candidates tell you about when they reminisce about "the good old times" didn't technically either.

All I'm saying is that there are settings I think work better because people are - or at least think they are - somewhat familiar with. For me Washington DC or Boston don't evoke quite the same sense of familiarity that for example New York or Vegas would. Even though I've been to neither one of those locations.

I couldn't get into Washington either, but for some reason I think Boston could work better. For starters, contrary to Washington which was all inner city and wasteland, it seems to have suburbs. You need Suburbs for 1950s America.  :awesome_for_real:

I like my games fun, not navel-gazing.

Incidently, Fallout 3 was less fun as well. Fuck the "Where is the right Subway Station exit for this area of the sectioned-off city" minigame. That part I just endured because I liked the rest.

The design, or lack thereof, in the enclosed spaces in FO3 was grating. It may be why I didn't finish it. New Vegas on the other hand had too much to fuck about with. I don't remember which DLC did it but something trivialized the game and I forgot what the story was about.

Sunk a shitload of hours into both though, which combined with regret, are the only metrics that really matter.

Thats true, the 77 hours I sunk into Fallout 3 makes Fallout 4 a day one purchase without thinking twice, but I still played New Vegas three times as long.

Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas are probably the only two games that I have all of the achievements for. I've replayed both of them (including all of the DLC) at least twice. So FO 4 will be a Day 1 purchase for me. Even though - given Bethesda's track record - I probably won't be able to actually play the game until 4 - 6 weeks after release when they've actually fixed most of the most glaring bugs.

I'll still be extremely happy if I never have to play another subway level again.

Both games had one DLC that trivialized the game completely.

In Fallout 3 it was Mothership Zeta that gave you a shitload of alien energy weapons (more than you could carry) while in New Vegas it was Old World Blues that gave you all of the nifty research weapons from Big MOuntain

I agree with Jeff big post on the previous page. But I also enjoy fo3 and NV for themselves.

Totally agree with this statement.  About 33 hrs with FO3 and 158 for NV.

I was also about the same ratio. 3 was ok but I liked NV a lot more. And I got my money's worth out of both, so I don't see why I wouldn't hit that well again.

Honestly, any Fallout game where you can wander around and do a bunch of random bullshit is better than 90% of everything else out there.  As long as they don't totally go away from that formula (and why would they ever?) then count me in.

I feel that way about GTA, too. I used to about Civ, but man, Beyond Earth was sketchy.

Jesus,

I have 358 in FO:3 and 411 in FO:NV

*Wait, I just remembered all my hours shit as I leave games running for days at a time on the machine in background.

I just remembered trying another FO:3 run and still running into crap I missed in all those hours.

I never know how much time I've put into a game, either, because I always forget to turn them off.  Still, I spent a LOT of time with these two games on several platforms and at different times and always found things I hadn't found before.  It's one of the reasons I like them so much. 

900 hours in skyrim.
100 hours not even touching the mouse  :why_so_serious:

 :ye_gods:

I'm pretty sure my Steam played records were all wiped some point after Fallout 3, since it and Civ 4 both show zero time played. Even with that reset, my top 5 are:
Civ 5               273
Skyrim             258
Borderlands 2   254
New Vegas        170
Borderlands       149

Yay being old and single?

Also Massachusetts is "famous" for Lovecraft's works in certain circles, particularly among gamers. I hope Bethesda sneaks some kind of easter egg in there about Miskatonic University or something.


I don't know this for sure, but in New Vegas one reason NV was divided up into, if I remember right, at least 4 loading screens (2 for Freeside, 2 for Vegas itself, not counting loading screens for buildings) was because the 360 and PS3 couldn't handle the open spaces. I'd be willing to bet that DC was such a maze for similar reasons, they had to break it up and decided to add the subway tunnels. Hopefully the PS4 and Xbox One are strong enough this won't be as much of an issue. Also, hopefully they heard the negative feedback about those damn subways.

I've spent 778 hours in Blood Bowl. Even if you take out the idle in background time, it's still...  :ye_gods:

My Steam hours played for games is pretty reasonable I think - then I decided to look at my GW2 played time  :ye_gods:

Yeah, but GW2 and MMOs... it's a different sort of thing, no?

Wow… what kind of mods do you even run?

You don't want to know. Unless you're interested in watching a bear wearing daedric armor fuck a tied-up ghost Nord.

While pooping.

I usually reach a point in elder scrolls and fallout games where I just wish to push myself for the finish. Part of the problem is that while I can enjoy some exploration I find that combat grows old. I have one game on steam that barely breaks 100 hours and its only because I did a replay.

My past playing mud and mmorpg's did involve some crazy hours though.

I find I have to over level, or in skyrim's case, over craft so that the crappy combat doesn't interfere with my enjoyment.  Being unable to do either in Oblivion is why I resorted to console cheats, I enjoyed the rest of the game that much.

I hope they put a crafting system into fallout.  I don't care that it would make little sense aside from the jury rigging.

There's an embargo on the embargo!

http://kotaku.com/fallout-4-review-embargo-gets-embargo-1740855250

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It's embargoes all the way down!

It is quite clear from the perks list that there is some crafting.

Fallout 4 - Launch Trailer  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5aJfebzkrM)


- They really don't know how to make an appealing story it seems. All the spoken lines have too much cheese.
- The gun with reflex sight feels really out of place for the Fallout universe.
- Considering this is a game I am really looking forward to the trailer is decidedly meh. Something about the tone feels...off.

Edit:
"This time I am ready, because I know war!"
"There is a cancer, known as the institutes. A malignant growth that needs to be cut before it affects they surface. They are the real enemy"
"Protect the people at a minutes notice and decide our own future!"
"This campaign will be costly, but in the end we will be saving humankind from it's worst enemy"


I think that's it, they went from a resigned "War never changes" to "WAR! Fuck yeah!".

I bet if you turn the sound of, the trailer is automatically improved.  Because it looks like the bee's tits.  I don't really care about the cheese, so long as I can get my post-apocalyptic groove on in Bethesda fashion, and that all appears to be intact.  It looks very shiny. 

Greenman has a 20% off code that you can apply to FO4.

SAVE20-NOVEMB-GAMING

Also works on the Season Pass.

Anyone found a place that doesn't have the Australia tax and is somewhat reputable?

Ozgameshop seems the best place so far, it was $59.99 for the steam key for a while, now its $61.99, don't know why the little hike.

The steam price just kills my will to ever buy another Bethesda game again.  Still not sure if I want to get it yet.

Try G2A or Kinguin?

Tempted to pick this up at launch, but I think I'll pass. $80 just for the game (let alone the $40 for the season pass) is just too much even if it turns out to be pretty good. Had the ending spoiled (fucking internet.. wasn't even on a gaming website when it happened) and it sounds like, well, Fallout 3 level stupid in terms of the ending quality. I think I'll wait for the first big sale so there's some DLC actually out and the modders have had a crack at the game.

Snagged it and the Season Pass; thanks for the tip.

I was quite hyped for a new fallout but all of that pre-release bullshit the embargoes plus the current rumblings and rumors an the web that make it sound less than stellar have cooled me off considerably.

I'll probably wait for a few weeks until the initial hype has ebbed a little until the more honest and less hyped opinions crop up.

The review embargo is absolutely standard. Every single AAA game has a review embargo date, the only thing of any note about this one was that they stated when that embargo date could be made public. The only cause for concern with review embargoes is when the date is *after* the release date (E.g. Assassin's Creed).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that pre-ordering anything is sensible these days, just that there's nothing unusual about FO4's review embargo.

I wouldn't risk it.  Multiple companies have started to revoke/ban keys sold by these companies.  ArenaNet just did a ban wave against keys sold by these resellers shortly after Heart of Thorns released.  I know Bethesda has revoked ESO keys sold by these resellers in the past as well.

I have avoided spoilers and pirates of early versions leaking stuff. That said, I don't particularly care about the story in a Bethesda game. They're not Bioware, they're good at making big sandboxes for me to play in with a story that I can sort of enjoy along the way.


The only thing about the ending that I care about is that they have flat out said you can keep playing after the ending and the leveling is unlimited. That's good enough for me. If the story ends in a stupid way I'll still be able to keep playing and poking around if I want.

When I care a lot about a game, I "embargo" myself. I don't want to know anything, don't even watch trailers. I am already hyped, so these things can't add anything for me, only detract.

Other than the trailer and the announcement I know fuck all about the game.  I'm eager to play though, but I didn't feel I needed to get the season pass yet.

Review firewall is down. Getting high scores all over the place. I might be inclined to pick this up until Legion gets here.

For those with itchy trigger fingers: I VPN'ed over to New Zealand briefly this morning and have been playing the last couple hours. Fairly painless, just had to set my steam download server to NZ to grab the key/hash/whatever once I had the VPN running and decrypt the files. Went into offline more after I verified it worked and have been golden since.

General consensus on the web is if you paid for a legit key, Valve/Bethsoft don't care enough to ban anyone and the trick has worked fine for skyrim and such in the past.

Here's (https://www.reddit.com/r/fo4/comments/3s4xkq/100_working_vpn_no_problems_easiest_way_here/) easy peasy instructions for the VPN deal if you're so inclined. Can confirm it worked for me, playing right now.

Released in Australia at 12pm last night on Steam. I was nicely surprised to see that the settings defaulted to ultra and that it's pully 60fps on my rig in the house. The house graphics are... underwhelming. Think HL2. I'm off to work so I can't evaluate the rest of the game - I'm only 32 minutes in as I fell asleep after character creation. :D

Isn't this using Skyrim's engine? How old is Skyrim?

Sony decided to push a system update today which meant that I got logged out of PSN and made it so that the auto download function didn't work.

Noticed when I came home from work just now and so I'm now at 20 MB of 42 GB with 32 hours to go. Curse PSN's slow download speed.

...and yes I caved and bought it day one.

You are getting this on Playstation instead of PC? Do you hate yourself?

I was wondering that myself.  Does this new console generation have the ability to include player made mods?

Render distance: Potato.

Left: PS4, Right: Xbox One

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Daughter insisted the copy I buy her be for PS4 rather than on her steam account.

Damn kids.

Of course, I'm one to talk...my current rig doesn't even meet the minimum system reqs. for this game. New rig should fix that soon enough :D

Not sure I understand what is going on in those gifs. Anyway, I take it the console version is locked at 30fps, so even if they had the same mods of the PC version,  I don't see why anyone would be OK with a mouse-less and 30fps locked version of anything (EDIT: Assuming you have a PC that can run it better than 30fps, of course).

The draw distance for rendering graphics from low to high def is extremely short. I can't imagine it getting any better as more stuff pops on the screen.

The render distance isn't very far in either of those yet its stuck at 30 fps.

If you still can't see it, watch the top of the screen just above the gun. You'll notice where things start to fade-in on the mound of junk and it's abysmally close.

Thank you all, now I can see it.   :geezer:

My only PC is a laptop with an NVidia GT650M and 1 Gig of VRAM and I don't want to spend the money right now necessary to get a new gaming level PC.

So PS4 it is.

I'll probably cave and build a new PC when Dark Souls 3 comes out and the Skylake stuff has gotten a bit cheaper.

I got rid of my gaming PC 2 years ago and I haven't looked back.

If it's worth playing, it's going to come to a console.

Also my back is so fucked up that I can't sit in a desk anymore. At all. That may have had something to do with it as well.

I just realized this has 8 GB of RAM as a min. requirement.  I only have 6. :heartbreak:  I wonder if having a GTX 970 with 4GB GDDR5 will allow me to play it?  And before anyone says it, I've been just fine for every game I've ever played with 6 GB and updating just the video card since I got my PC in 2009 (CPU is an i7 920 @ 2.67GHz).

Should be fine. Big city areas might lag a bit. The probably just copied the 8gig req from console specs.

I so rarely buy physical discs any more but it proved the cheapest option this time.  I know big day 1 patches are the norm but is only giving you 20% of the game (all what they can fit on 1 dvd) also normal now for PC?

Just built an i7 with 980 ti and some bizarre hdd that reads at 2500MBPS. I think I'll be fine.

I'll be up at 4am to play.  Finally my insomnia comes in handy!

In the age where digital download/delivery is cheaper per gig than burning discs, yes.

Thins thing runs great on fairly old computers. You'll all be fine.

I am going to stay up late tonight and play for a couple (or more, ahem) hours.  Will report back.

Godspeed to all of you.

I've got work at 5am tomorrow so playing will have to wait until after. There are rumblings of 12 hour days at work all week, and a coworker already took the week off so I can't burn the few vacation days I have left. Ugh.

(https://i.imgur.com/bj5P8Bx.png)


Look at the X-Box framerate hö hö hö  :why_so_serious:

It's a full 2 second freeze, from 2:06 to 2:08: Fallout 4 PS4 vs Xbox One Frame-Rate Test (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPZXkdD1RwQ)

Also, personally I am not very sensitive to FPS and screen tearing, but the texture popping here is annoying:


(https://i.imgur.com/i9DC6Om.png)(https://i.imgur.com/E4c9swV.png)

Look at the windows, the screenshots are 1 second apart. The sudden pop from grey dark to white stands out even in on crappy you tube quality.



(https://i.imgur.com/klOZF48.png)(https://i.imgur.com/5VjyxVm.png)

3 seconds apart. The white-green blinds fade in rather than "pop", but the the house is already way too close on the screen to produce a graceful transition or avoid the player noticing the change.

Edit: Both pictures taken straight out of the youtube video above.

Edit 2: One more for the lulz: close up textures (not my own screenshot this time).

Looks like another week off my feet, though the long weekend is jammed full of concerts. Fuck it, wasteland here I come.

I am very annoyed that the VPN is overloaded.

/twiddle.

On the graphics stuff:

1) Consoles always suck ass at this kind of thing. Always.
2) Bethesda always launches with shitty graphics followed by an official hi-res texture pack and mods by gamers. In 6 months this game will look amazing. If you play it on PC.

(http://i.imgur.com/kK2eW9B.jpg)

Fallout 4 broke my monitor -- GG Bethseda! :awesome_for_real:

No but seriously it defaulted to a non-standard resolution and refresh rate, blanked my screen and locked out my entire system -- couldn't get back to desktop to kill app -- had to hard reset.

Make sure you don't have stuff unsaved before trying to run it.

Had time to play for an hour.  Lovely so far.

Holy shit are faces fugly in this game.

I've read that it's an anti-piracy measure. Physical disc copies leaked early can't be pirated since they're missing gigs of data.

Loving it so far, but holy hell the UI on the PC is a steaming pile of festering clusterfuck. As usual.

Also, list of names (http://hastebin.com/raw/ovayuyalej) that Codsworth can say (taken from the game files apparently). I am now called Quatermass. Miss Quatermass.  :awesome_for_real:

And a very useful guide (http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=551069501&tscn=1447077828) to unlocking the framerate, changing FOV, skipping intros, etc.

Thanks, the FOV is making me ill. UI sucks, faces are wonk, keyb/m is wonk. So par for the course, really.

Game seems pretty nice a couple hours in, though.

UI is a bit wonky, but not surprised by that.  I was getting a bit motion sick after an hour or two -- will have to tweak settings a bit to smooth stuff down (it decided everything was Ultra, but that was clearly a bit optimistic) and fiddle with the FOV, etc, so I can hopefully play without feeling ill.

Is it true that after installing 1 DVD I need to download another 25GB?

Pro tip: there are shortcut buttons to inventory, map and other things. For instance "i" opens your inventory like in any other RPG out there. If you also have a few spare buttons on your mouse, for inventory and map, you are golden and can forget all of your UI problems.

It's weird but I expected it to be janky and I'm kind of glad that it's janky because it means that it's a Bethesda game somehow.

Yep.


Good tip. Only problem is that the same buttons don't get you out of those screens again  :oh_i_see:  I've had to rebind capslock too - can't stand having my capslock light lit up randomly!

Also, should the thread title now be "Fallout 4 Post-Release Bullshit"?  :awesome_for_real:

Not poking at you specifically Jeff, but I am curious about the extended use of the word "janky". It is now everywhere, while it pretty much didn't exist about three years ago, and assuming I know what it means I disagree with the way it's used more often than not. Like in this case.

Liking it just fine so far.  It feels like Fallout 3.5, which is actually fine by me.

I woke up at 3:15 after going to bed at 10 last night. No reason to stay up if it doesn't unlock, I figure; Game smarter not harder.

The intro was pretty cool as was the first big fight. I'm not sure I'm a fan of the power armor changes, but we'll see. It does make the Armor seem much more impressive this way. They've also been able to increase the power curve when wearing it because of the limitations of your power source, so I won't bitch too hard about it.

The Shelter interface, though. Good lord it's terrible. You thought Inventory was bad you're going to have a fantastic time struggling with this monstrosity. How about a tutorial or even a goddamn manual, please. All the same I found myself wasting over an hour of my pre-work playtime just trying to build shit.

I like the changes to armor crafting, too. Makes all the equipment you find on NPCs more valuable as you harvest them for resources instead of just ignoring everything after the first set.

Any thoughts on playing controller v. keyboard on a PC? I've always done Bethesda games with a keyboard.

I played with mouse and keyboard last night and it felt fine.  The gunplay was a lot better than the previous games and felt good with a mouse.  On the other hand, the interface is clearly designed for a controller and it a little annoying to navigate with a keyboard.  If  you are a kb/m kind of person, you'll be able to get by just fine.

I think it's a no-brainer that any 60 fps shooter deserves a mouse. And if you have a mouse with more than 3 buttons (which you should these days if you call yourself a gamer), you are not gonna have that many issues with the UI anyway.

If you're good at console shooters you could do it. I'm better with kb&M and the aiming doesn't have lock-on assistance outside of VATS, so that's where I'm going with it.  I'm considering putting my gamepad on the desk to manage inventory and the conversation wheel, though. The interface is fairly shit for that with KB&M.

 
Maybe if you've got more than 5 buttons. I don't feel like rebinding the wheel and 4&5 though. Well I didn't this morning, maybe I'll give it a shot tonight.

I will say pass on this currently.

There seems to be some game issue where it decides to randomly activate a game pad (even if you don't have one) and kill keyboard control. Exiting the game and restarting resulted in audio static from the GUI and killed mouse wheel.

Reinstall

I used to be again multi-button mice. I still think too many don't really help, but 7 button ones (usually with two "buttons" being the tilt of the wheel) are my favourite compromise. They help in so many games, and seriosuly improved my experience too many times to count. A 30$ 7 button mouse has been the best investment I did in 2011 and will never go back from there.

I bought the DVD (because cheaper) and then added the game key to steam and the download is.....25 GB!.  :why_so_serious:

The combat does feel 'janky' to me, a bit floaty and the weapons seem horribly inaccurate. The crafting encourages scrounging every little piece of crap you find, makes the Junk Jet painful to load.

It's still fun, but I'm itching for a major UI revision, tab->enter is not a normal key sequence for kb/m

It might be that I was just playing Fallout 3 in anticipation of this coming out, but it is an absolutely huge improvement over that.  To the point where one of the first things I noticed was that the gunplay felt a lot better than I expected.

Played 2.5 hours this morning, no issues.  The UI is improved, but I plan on using the hot keys much more than pulling the Pip Boy up.  I am running a Cha 8 guy.  Feels like Fallout 3 and that's a good thing.

Played five hours last night. Amazing how little you actually progress in a game when you stop to read everything. Spent a huge chunk of time fiddling with the crafting. The interface is meh, but not as bad as vanilla Skyrim. I will be happy for FallUI or whatever it gets called though. Finding myself doing most of my combat in VATS - I like the little change of not letting you just sit there in VATS planning for ever. Faces, I don't know. I've only met five people so far. I love that the crafting is basically fully functional from the get go. Not sure I love the access to so many perks right off the bat though - spend way to much time worrying over whether I'm taking something too soon and should be taking more survivally perks first.

Trying to conserve ammo and just bash the early bugs with the baton was pretty funny. No seeming rhyme or reason to whether I would hit or even be in range.

I like the game so far (well, if I can tweak it to not get nauseous while playing), but it seems like they could've done a decent port to keep so many things from getting in the way of enjoying it. I enjoy eurojank and have to deal with less issues with the interface.

I'd love to hear how that turns out. I've never run a high non-combat stat character.

Usually I focus on Perception/ Ranged but I'm giving Str/ Melee a try for my first guy. So far punching bugs is as aggravating as Sky indicates. VATS helps with this, but I still got my ass handed to me by Mosquitoes the first time I ran into them.

Quick tip for the UI - you can hit E instead of Enter, which makes things like the workshop much easier.

Thanks for the link to those tweaks, Apoc. FOV and mouse tweaks fixed most of my nausea issue. Other than the aforementioned combat wonk, I do wish there was a key to highlight items or pop up a name, like in Divinity. Pain in the butt scanning every nook and cranny for stuff to mouse over.

I kind of wish they made your home town a little more friendly for crafting, the stations spread so far apart is kind of a bummer. Seems like the gas station is a better initial base?

Also here's a quick guide for building aka what the feck is all this crap: http://www.usgamer.net/articles/fallout-4-base-building-guide-food-water-power-defense

I think you can move the stations. I was able to move the beds I accidentally dropped-down in the crafting station area, and you can build new stations.

Hell, you can tear-down the entire town if you really want to. My son was watching right before I got ready to work and pointed out you can tear-down the houses themselves. I had no idea and wouldn't have tried otherwise.

Yep, that guide I linked is a good primer on settlements. Cleaned up Sanctuary and got my crafting stations centrally located. Along with a grill, patio furniture and doghouse, of course.

Is there anything one needs to do to avoid losing the random stuff one scavenges up?

Is storing it in a container at say the gas station sufficient?

I forget if it was Fallout 3 or Skyrim or what where only some locations / containers were reliably safe to store crap in if you ever wanted to see it again?

Well had a look at the Forbes and Guardian reviews and it seems they know what they are talking about [In the Guardians case if nothing else]
so I think i'll pass and although it doesn't look like a bad game I prefer Bethesda's TES fantasy efforts for the moment, I'm still playing Skyrim
and when I want to shoot something with a gun Id rather it be like an fps/military simulator. I played Fallout 3 and never really got into it. Still have
the Brotherhood of Steel figurine though [sans gun]!

Forbes - http://www.forbes.com/sites/games/2015/11/09/fallout-4-review-look-upon-my-works-ye-mighty-and-despair/
 (http://www.forbes.com/sites/games/2015/11/09/fallout-4-review-look-upon-my-works-ye-mighty-and-despair/)
Guardian - http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/nov/10/fallout-4-review-spectacular-messy-and-familiar (http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/nov/10/fallout-4-review-spectacular-messy-and-familiar)

Ah, that's very handy. I'd been struggling with assigning someone to tending the crops. Quite liking the settlement building :-)
 Local Leader is totally going to be the next perk I get I think.


Store it in any of the crafting stations. They all share the same stash in a given settlement, and if you take Local Leader they all share the same stash everywhere.

I've also temporarily left stuff in random containers out in the world when at weight limit and not lost anything.

So you found two of the lowest scores, which happen to mirror you're own preconceived opinions on the game, and used them to justify not playing.  This means that you can, without ever playing it yourself, come here and definitively proclaim "Yup, it's now officially crap". :oh_i_see:  Well done.

I've been playing a lot of CS recently, an my initial reactions after character face creation were to find a bucket to throw up in (from motion jank nausea). I suspect I will need to tweak a few settings, and adjust the absurd high sensitivity mouse default.

Hopefully these can be fixed, as I love me a good Fallout game.

Also that guardian review is awful:


Who cares man? It's not a blog, this is meant to be a professional review.

Yeah, that Guardian piece was just painfully awful.  Not because I disagree with the negative review, because I've only played about 4 hours and haven't made up my mind, but because he doesn't seem to understand how rpg's works.  Can't use that awesome sniper rifle you found because you didn't put enough skill points into perception?  Tough shit since maybe you put most of them in strength and can use an equally awesome melee weapon.  Any decent rpg should have some sort of consequences for the choices you make.

It's still a legitimate complaint though. We might be accustomed to that and think that this is natural and how things are supposed to work in the orthodoxy of Gygax. Yet as someone who has been playing pen & paper and computer rpg's for thirty years now this is still one of my biggest gripes with the genre.

You won't know what works and what doesn't, what the useful stats are and what a system considers to be "dump stats" and what character builds and play styles you like until long after you have lost the ability to course correct the mistakes you made very early in the campaign or even during character creation.

Novice players won't know that strength and luck are both pretty useless stats in Fallout - even in the revamped system of FO 4 or that you should have decent agility and perception for ranged combat.

Which leads to you sticking to a build you realized doesn't work for you or worse doesn't work within the confines of the game world, diminishing the enjoyment considerably, or you throw away hours or days of in game progress thanks to re-rolling. Bethesda Fallout never did the decent thing of at least offering you prebuilt characters to make sure that novice players had at least a chance to not end up with a build that is bad (Fallout 1 and 2 had those).

The souls series at least has low stat requirements for most weapons and basic spells so that you can't screw yourself out of using a weapon you realize you like - the tool you use most of the time - and is in general much less relying on character stats than other games. Even in the souls series you can screw yourself though if you don't pick up on what attributes matter the most early on. The impact is just lessened because you can farm souls and bad stats can be offset by player skil. Which is not always the case with other CRPG's especially if they use the RPG mechanics to establish game outcomes in engine - like Fallout.

Devs know this too and so have come up with two kinds of crutches. The re-roll which allows you to completely reset your character stats and let's you redistribute all points. Or the "master of everything" setup where the leveling curve is designed in such a way that you will end up with max values in all skills and attributes eventually if you grind it out long enough. The way Fallout 3 did it where you could theoretically end up with 10 in each S.P.E.C.I.A.L. stat.

When the number trailing the name of the game is '4' you can tell people to fuck off if they don't understand the systems.

Seriously. We don't need a 5 hour intro for every game under the sun. I don't want people spending the development resources making Conan Tortages in every single game. I would rather have content made for the target audience.

It's okay for people to not understand how stat requirements work. And like I said above - they can fuck right off.

Having to go into three fucking .ini files just to change my FOV or disable my controller or make the game run at 60 FPS is kind of tiresome.

Especially since I'm probably going to have to redo it every time it patches.

Mark it as read only. Make a copy somewhere. Use winmerge to compare the differences with each patch.

It's a role playing game Jeff, not a min maxing game. Who cares if you don't have the k owledge to min max from the get go.

It's a game, explore it and have fun. Explore the mechanics too.

JeffK and someone who only posts in Eve Online. Safe to set phasers to /ignore.

Put a few hours in tonight. It's good but not amazing, thus far. UI is consoley shit, I don't like the simplified perks/skills system, silent protag is best protag, there are tons of things you can't change the keybinds for, etc. Story hasn't grabbed me yet but I'm really early still; I'm hoping there are real choices in the main story like NV instead of fairly 'linear' like 3.

It's console garbage, I read the reviews from guardian and forbes and they seem to be spot on. (even the fucking can't exit dialog bug)

The game is getting fucking reamed right now on metacritic with a 4.7 user score.

And yet it's a good game. If you can't be bothered to tweak a couple config files and lock them down, you should be on a console anyway.

I shouldn't have to tweak config files to get a game to work (and have not bothered to with this game)  It's just a bad console port of a poor open world first person shooter with some rpg elements bolted on.

Fucking Boston accents. You'd think three hundred some odd years and a nuclear war would've wiped that scourge from the earth. Sadly, no.

The PIP-Boy app is fucking amazing, mostly because it allows me to bypass the utter shitshow that is the in-game interface, but yeah, the integration is pretty seamless. Maybe if they'd worked a little harder on the UI instead of that, they'd have come out with a nice middle ground.

Okay, being able to scrap my settlement and build stuff is awesome... and walls snap to each other as you place them, which is cool.  But I can't figure out how to turn a corner -- snap a wall to another wall but at 90 degrees to it.  Does this just not work or am I missing some obscure UI for it?

UI stuff, along with the price is a big reason why I haven't succumbed to buying it, despite being an old-school Fallout whore. I want to wait until the first sale and modders fix the more egregious bullshit.

I have been watching a few streams, however. I've noticed a couple things; they are fucking idiots (they made me want to yell at my screen like only hockey can make me), the UI is shit, and the shit modders should be able to do to this game after a year or so is going to be amazing, especially the construction stuff.

There's actual corner wall segments that you use for corners.

Okay, that was an edit/reply failure...

I tried the corner pieces but they don't seem to fit in the right direction.  Guess I'll have to poke at it some more.

Wow, the pip boy app is pretty slick.  I've got it sitting in map mode, and it's updating live as I hike around, etc...

My pipboy mobile app says View Mode in the inventory, is it not interactive? I was going to change up my hotkeys for a few weapons but that's greyed out.

Be careful, you are being ridiculous.

Character creation was done pretty well. The part of the tutorial before the bombs fell was pretty lame since it manages at no point to convey the importance and consequences of the world literally ending. Just a few confused guys walking in an orderly fashion.

You get Codsworth though. I always wanted my own half-crazy robot butler.

Crafting means there's finally a reason to take everything not bolted to the floor. That's Bethsoft enabling all my f those Skyrim hoarders. The crafting interface is shitty garbage though and you can't customize it like the PC version.

Combat is surprisingly challenging early on. Walked into the first location after red rocket filling station, died. Respawned walked back in, died again to some raiders. Coming from Dark Souls this made me feel right at home.

Played it for three hours last night and liked it so far. It's Fallout all right, for better and worse.

Works for me as long as I'm in-game and don't have some other menu up (like the base building menu).



The crafting and base building stuff is going to be the end of me.  I hope there are unlockables to be found here.  They'll probably get me on DLC if it includes more goodies for building a better Fort Awesome...

Oh good call! I've just used the Android on this cheap Chinese win10/android hybrid tablet for the first time for it & it's excellent. Nice being able to see map/stats on a separate screen all the time :)

I love the weather. Had an awesome fire fight with a bunch of raiders outside the Corvega Assembly Plant earlier, and it was early morning, bright but foggy. The volumetric lighting with fog and walkways etc. was superb. Amazingly atmospheric. And had a storm at Sanctuary with green, radioactive lightning.

I meant it more in the way it is presented to you and how the interface works. The defaults look OK, you can change a lot of the meaningful stuff without the setting for "brow height" or whatever cluttering up nthe UI even though you just wanted to set the eye color. You can however delve deep into the position/height/wide/narrow space of things as well. You just don't see it if you don't want to.

I especially liked the laconic way in which they let you choose the sex of your character. If you select female your wife simply pushes you aside berating you for hogging the mirror and you switch over to her. It's very well done as far as character generators go and the defaults and default options look pretty OK or even good. It makes the 'important' choices readily available yet still let's you go all out with the detailed settings. As you proved apocrypha. It wouldn't be a Bethsoft game if you couldn't make the most weird and degenerate looking abomination out there though.

There doesn't seem to be an 'Asian' default character which is odd.

I was angry that you couldn't pick glasses as an option but later realized that glasses are in-game items that give you stat bonuses and are handled like armor/clothing. You find a pair pretty early on that gives you a +1 PER bonus.

The only thing I wish RPG character generators would let you do is to give you the ability to customize family members' appearances as well as yours, especially if they are story related. With FO4 your mate and your child will always be white with an outfit reminiscent of 1950's America. I tried designing an African American and Latino male character but your wife looks so quintessentially white, east coast and from the fifties that I wouldn't have been shocked if the 2077 equivalent of the KKK stopped by to burn a cross in my front yard during the prologue.

I know, I was just being silly. You can make some awesomely hideous faces.  :awesome_for_real:

People would be up in arms if that weren't possible asnymore.

Hey look it's the same argument as when FO3 came out.

Remember how that game "Destroyed Fallout" because it was FPS instead of TBS. And it was "console bullshit" this and "fuck the interface" that.

Good times.

ed: Also, the damn builder. I've spent over half my game time so far just fucking with Sanctuary and a few additional strongholds I've become friends with. I'm going to have to do more than the bare minimum for happiness from here on out or else I'll never get anywhere.

Quinton - You'll want to expand that wire fence near the playground. The 2nd tier water pumps have to be placed into a body of water rather than on dirt like the hand pump. 

My grand design is probably going to capture all of the build space in Sanctuary if I ever get done with it.  I'm starting by fencing everything off so I'll worry about an actual fort later. A guard post and sentry at the bridge and walls everywhere else that isn't covered by the immovable sagebrush.

I was annoyed that they simplified the character generation process by getting rid of both skills and traits. I find that to be needlessly simplicistic just to broaden the appeal.

On the other hand I was ready to go in 10 minutes, so thats a first for a Fallout game.

The UI is an atrocity due to lack of internal consistency, not because of consolitis. I can walk around with WASD, but I have to switch to the cursor keys for dialogues? I can't use the same key to cancel out of all menus back to the main game? Those are decisions made by morons.

This is worse than New Vegas, but it still is a good game.

I didn't have a problem with FO3 or its interface. This game has a console interface, so much so that if you have a controller plugged in to your PC it turns off the keyboard. They even replaced the dialogs with up/down/left/right choices, and then the dialogs are crap since they need to all fall into this format of question/yes/snarky/no.

The cursor keys are for a controller pad.

As I said, decisions made by morons.

The interface inconsistency that's driving me batshit is weapon modding.  Specifically, to back out of a sub menu, it's TAB.  So when you're done modding, it's TAB, TAB, TAB, "are you sure you want to leave crafting?  press ENTER to leave, TAB to stay."  Would it have been that hard to let me hit TAB one more time to leave crafting?

Also, "V" is for VATS -- always.  Not "Q".  Fuck that noise.

Now, if you'll excuse me, there's some clouds that need yelling at.

Seems like all of these problems are being experienced by the Master Race only.  White people problems, amirite?

Thats why I'm not really that angry about it. Most of these things can be fixed (if need be by mods).

Yes, it's all irrelevant stuff in the face of a great game. Also, it's all things that are easy to work around or simply will go away in a few hours as soon as your muscle memory gets used to it. They are silly and moronic, whoever designed them is an imbecile and whoever approved them is a muppet, but who the hell cares dammit.

Also,


Uh? Yes there is.

Which one? Honest question.

They have characters with different shades of brown and black as skin color and the stereotypical ginger. The rest all look like white dudes to me, even the one with the black hair in a bun that looks like he regularly visits Anime conventions.

And no I'm not looking for the yellow skinned, straw hat and fu manchu beard wearing racist sterotype.

Just took these for you. These are default faces, I haven't changed a single thing.


(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3584773/FALLOUT%20Asianssh.jpg)

Heh.  While I'd much prefer to be playing this with M+KB, the menu stupidity drove me to hook up a 360 pad early on.

Glad I took a couple days off for this. My only worry is that I'll level too fast scavenging and building, and end up in over my head in combat. Finally took a couple fighting perks (started high CHR/INT).
Random thoughts:

Level 12, I have four established settlements. Need two more levels to take the second tier Leader perk. I have five available companions already, so the game doesn't skimp there.

Got attacked by a swarm of named ghouls that I'm pretty sure were some type of Python reference. Took five tries to survive.

Wish I'd noticed the female protagonist is voiced by the actress who voiced Jack in Mass Effect. I'd have tried replicating her. Guess I still could once I find the plastic surgeon.

The possibilities with the town building are crazy. I established a settlement in an area with some "out of reach" terrain. Decided I wanted to know if they bothered putting things to find in spots you shouldn't be able to get to. They did.
Location spoiler below:

Not East Asian (which I'm assuming Jeff meant and not, say, Indian) though the women are somewhat closer than the men.

Spoiler those damn pics. Geez.

Unlimited, Renewable Adhesives via Planting.
https://www.reddit.com/r/fo4/comments/3sezph/psa_there_is_an_unlimited_renewable_source_of/

Adhesives are one of two cockblocks for modding weapons in my gameplay so far. Screws being the 2nd, this goes a long way to helping

Surprised there hasn't been more discontent about this decision here.

(Lack of proper dialogue annoys me, but I don't know how to complain about it without sounding like an RPGCodex hipster...)

It's easily the thing that bothers me the most about the game.  On the plus side, I can just roleplay a character that refuses to talk to people.  :oh_i_see:

I actually don't mind it that much if it is consistent. Mass Effect did a pretty great job with a similar setup because the responses were codified and you always knew where the paragon/neutral/renegade answer was on the dialogue selection thing.

Fallout 4 not so much, though.

I haven't played a whole lot of it but I've already encountered a few instances of dialogue playing out in a whole different way than what I thought it would going by the little text snippet.

That's bad for an RPG.

I'd rather they'd kept the old style where you could read the whole sentence before deciding I what to say. The way it is now I'm always a little wary that what sounded innocent going by the little teaser will turn into a full on genocidal rant half way through.

I won't go into too much detail because no good will come of it and it will only make what I say sound accidentally racist at some point.

I wouldn't have thought that those four choices are intended to resemble people of Asian descent (I can already see me ending up with my foot firmly in my mouth at some point during this  :why_so_serious:). Except maybe the first of the two women. It's just so unspecific and only slightly ethnic compared to the other more stereotypical defaults.

Updating title.

No you are correct. Just adding epicanthic fold eyes to caucasoid faces does not make the face East Asian unless you squint.
:rimshot:

The Scrapper perk gains you more and rarer components from reclaiming things (notably screws from pipeguns, copper from tubes, etc).

I'm no graphics fetishist but those screens reminded me of just how bad hair is still. I'd wish they get that right at some point preferably with an algorithm that doesn't bring a Titan to its knees like TressFX does.

Awww, I thought we'd get a new thread that told us whether the game was any good or not.

     ^
    Yes
< Snark     No>

    Fuck off.
      V

Well played, sir. :thumbs_up:

I just requested my first steam refund.

Fucking molotov cocktails 

Each to one's own. I'm 27 hours in to it and sleep deprived.

Worse when learning how to equip and throw them in the middle of a tense fight with bandits and dogs coming in from two directions and accidentally throwing against the railing of the balcony you're on. Mmm...toasty. My only death so far, though! I did train a mutant bear (yu-gi-oh, whatever) all the way through Concord and as far as the Red Rocket...so sure that was the end of me...

I'm shocked, shocked!, that Brellium doesn't like it.

I'm enjoying the hell out of it. I'll say one thing, it is the most stable Bethesda game I've ever played. Not one crash or graphics hiccup. If there's a memory leak I haven't noticed it. I'm almost 20 hours in. About 10 of that is crafting, about 8 is random wandering around and following up on quests I discover through just playing. The other 2 is actual main story content. I've only found 2 other companions besides the 2 the game more or less hands you but I quite like the one I've chosen to play with. (Piper.)

I have some minor gripes with little UI issues and I'm not sure I like that I'm that far into the game and still just laying armor on my Vault Suit but other than that it's been quite fun. I just pimped out a 10 mm pistol and it has become my go-to weapon. Once I get a suppressor on it I'll be even happier!

Another set of handy tips here: https://www.reddit.com/r/fo4/comments/3shl9i/fallout_4_tips_everyone_should_know/ - contains a couple of minor character spoilers.

Got a spiked dog collar, when putting it on Dogbreath I found he can equip some other things (which I had forgotten after killing a bandit dog wiith a bandana).

I gave him a spare pair of welder goggles to match mine. So pimp.

I'd like to play more with armor crafting and building a custom set from pieces...but the cage armor I found is just too good.

Ohh... so when I've been wearing the bandana myself... eww.  :uhrr:

I will not confirm or deny whether my plan was to match bandanas with him. I think it goes in the collar slot, so spiked collar saves the day...

After playing 7D2D I keep trying to loot tree stumps and pick up stones.

I've read up to this point in the thread, and after adjusting for F13-ness, this game sounds fantastic.

Sounds like it is more work than my job. Not my cup of tea, but I do love reading about it here.

Translation: "Hey guys, now you can't say I didn't at least play the game before declaring it crap.  I can now confidently say that after less than 2 hours in, which would mostly involve the intro scenes and maybe the first leg of the main quest, that Fallout 4 is every bit as bad as thought it would be!". :oh_i_see:

Why do any of you care whether he likes it or not? Or what his reasons are? The world would be a dull place if we all liked the same things. And if he wants to have a whinge about it here, well, it's a forum, which means different viewpoints should be aired. *shrug* Doesn't affect my enjoyment of the game one iota. :-)

I was 16 hours into the game, so no I did not get the refund, they did however refund the Season Pass.

I was looking for Fallout RPG, not some action game packaged in the Fallout universe in a bland environment with uninspiring characters.
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Get Wasteland 2.

Old men yelling at clouds aside, yes. I was hesitant to buy at full price (yay GMG deal), but easily worth the money. Light RP as usual with Bethsoft, but great world building as usual with Bethsoft. I remember musing when Skyrim came out that it would be awesome if (pre-SWTOR) Bioware and Bethsoft could collab, letting Bethsoft build the world and Bioware handle the story and dialog. As it is, I REALLY hope there's an Obsidian version in the works.

Let Obsidian handle the story and world building. Bioware the dialogue, character relationships and QA and Bethesda the rest. Sprinkle a little Kojima in there for the weird attention to detail and metaverse and you'll either end up with best game ever or the most weird and entertaining train wreck of all time.

Either way we win.

It's a Fallout all right. The familiarity is very comforting if nothing else, and will be an excellent time waster.

Are you completely unaware of Fallout 3?

What is it with Bethesda and bad interfaces? I really don't get why I'm expected on default to use different keys to go into crafting and get out of crafting. It's like WTF.

It's hard for me not to just put the game down and wait 6 months for mods to make it more playable. I didn't even hate Skyrim's vanilla UI as much as I hate this one; the inability to rebind ALL of the keys is so frustrating.

Yes, because the mods will help the
        <yes>
<snarky><no>
        <son>
Dialog.

If they sort it into
1. Yes
2. No
3. Snarky
4. Son
and list the complete sentences instead of just the one-word description, it would go a long way for me.

Interrupting the bitchfest as a non player since I like this image from the char creator. :grin: Spoiler due to image size

Some of the set pieces are great in this, Pickman's Gallery is the Lovecraftian bit I've found so far. I see now why people say avoid Boston Common, Swan was a bugger of a fight until I decided to just blow chems. I'm heavily addicted now, but have some swank armor.

The game makes up for the janky combat and craptastic UI with fun.

While I love the soundtrack some songs come up in rotation FAR TOO GODDAMN OFTEN.

If I hear Anything Goes or Civilization again I'm going to vomit.  It doesn't help that some of them were on FO3's list so I already had them in my head.

Yeah, so much of the soundtrack I'd already heard a ton of times in FO3 so I've taken to listening to the classical station in this one.

"Bongo bongo bongo, I don't wanna leave the Congo".... bzzzt... changes radio station.

I can't even remember those old timey Fallouts anymore.

Found my first Legendary item yesterday, followed quickly by the 2nd.

How did I not hear about this system beforehand? It's awesome. Now I wish they had drop rates like D3.

I've found a Legendary chest, (right?) leg armor, and a wrench. Also killed a Legendary wild mongrel.

Putting together the legendary power armor chest at the polymer factory was a pretty cool side quest.

Probably because it took me a few trips to find all of the doorways and places to visit in the facility. Then, I mean, the computer tells you what to do but I had to check it a few times to make sure I had the right ingredients in place before it produced the item.

Good stuff.

I've found two or three legendary pieces of leather armor, but it's ruined by that early find of cage armor that blows away anything but power armor so far. And I've barely explored the map (though I did clear the entire area NW of Concord).

Cage armor is really nice, I believe it's 22 physical/rad though I'm fuzzy on the secondary type. But it's a suit, so no piecemealing in legendaries or upgrading it in the workbench.

This is my first Fallout game so it's all new to me.  I found the help screen to be surprisingly helpful.  I haven't spent much time on the story so far because I've been too busy dinking around with the settlement stuff and just wandering around checking stuff out.  I got my first legendary piece off a roach of all things.  It's not the most overwhelming piece of gear, but it does have what I assume is a nice anti poison score of 25.  The GUI is annoying but I've learned to work around it.  I do wish there was a way to highlight bodies, I've lost a few long range kills due to the difficulty of finding a brown body laying in a mass of brown bushes.  I haven't had any crashes, and the closest thing to bug I've found is that on my tablet the Pipboy app doesn't display the map when I switch to local mode.

Anyone running this game on a PC close to minimum specs?

When I installed, it set quality to low by default based on my machine. Still runs fine. I have yet to mess with settings.

Mine is almost exactly the minumum except I have 6gb or RAM instead of 8.  It set itself to low and runs fine, load times when I first start are pretty long, but otherwise it runs fine.  It looks good enough on low that I haven't tried tweaking anything.

Load times on this are long on any machine. Fast Travel can take 20-30 seconds if there's a lot of new assets to load. I can't tell if it's disk access or that it's decaching all the information because it thinks its a console.

Load times are pretty tolerable (~10s to load the overworld) for me, but I have the game installed on an SSD.

Yeah I'm still on a physical disk. The SSD I bought keeps going to sleep and I have no idea why. I finally just took it out of the machine. I suspect that it's my MoBo going bad or that it just can't handle the Evo850 at all.

Trying to manage more than one settlement is a pain in the ass and I fast traveled to one of them only to find its being attacked by super mutants. :ye_gods:  Hopefully the defensive structures I put there will stop that.

Poop socked my way through the game over the week. Over 30 hours played.

tl;dr It's Skyrim with guns. A big interesting world to play in; but the characters and stories really pale in comparison to the world they live in. Mostly, I just miss having actual decisions to make in my RPGs.

Rambling spoilers on main plot stuff follows.

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But Butcher Pete part 2!

Laughing too hard at the Idiot Savant perk while having INT 1.
I literally blew past 4 levels from two quest turns-ins due to it triggering back to back.
And since Idiot Savant Mk II gives 5x EXP the quest EXP bar just kept filling and filling...  :why_so_serious:

Did I really just give this stupid game another try and start fresh, only to get hit with the tab bug?

So, mods/patches I am hoping to see soon include:

• Performance improvements/bug fixes, obviously.
• Better building interface, including some sort of higher viewpoint.
• Separate keybinds for bash & grenade.
• Corpse highlighting.

BTW there's some great dialogue you can overhear if you're attentive. I heard a couple of raiders talking after exiting from the rear of the Hardware Store yesterday - if you happen to catch that conversation wait and hear it out. Funny stuff.

Ok I'm definitely starting to dislike the new dialog wheel. Confusing choices and lots of atmosphere lost right there.

My biggest gripe so far is the inability to remap some keys like hold breath in scope mode. It's really infuriating that I have to remap the nostromo for just this instead of just changing the key from the game menu.  :ye_gods:

I'm just using the controller, no hassle that way.

I also have a question: is there some way of getting raw materials for crafting other than carrying junk and dumping it into your workbench storage whenever you visit?

I've been dumping it all off on my companion until they get full.

If you are in an area with a workbench if you walk around the area you should see a prompt about holding down a button to bring up the workbench menu (default is V on PC). You should see a green wall around the borders of the settlement when activated as you continue to walk around. As you walk around in this mode objects you can scrap will highlight in yellow under your reticle and you will see a menu option pop up that will let you scrap the item (default is R on PC). You can then just walk around scrapping pretty much everything in sight -- fences, cars, trees, junk on the ground, even entire small buildings minus their foundations.

Some shops sell lots of 25 crafting materials for ~500-1k caps, depending on type.

It's very good. I'm not sure why I can't call it great, but it's very good.

They missed an opportunity with the PS4 touchpad. I figured they would have incorporated that into Pipboy somehow, but nope.

Scavenge and salvage all the things.

Yea, even the wandering vendors will sell material "orders". You buy them and they go straight to your workbench.

I do agree having bash/grenade on the same button is stupid - sometimes it will start trying to bash a railing instead of throwing a moltov over it.

As for the wheel - yeah, Id like more detail certainly, but those skill checks are still in there. You give a great answer on question one of the SAFE test if you have Science for example.

Thanks, I'm hoovering up entire settlements now. Rarer mats are still an issue, but I guess that's gameplay.

What difficulty are you guys playing on? I started on hard and even regular raiders are a huge threat. Can't even dream of killing supermutants yet at level 9. It's great!

Guns are also quite rare, just endless and useless variations of the pipe gun. I have one tricked out shotgun and just acquired an SMG that is pretty great. But they're out of ammo all the time. I'm spending points on stealth just to able to safely take out at least one enemy.

Get the Scrapper perk ASAP - you get screws and other rarer materials when breaking down higher-level guns.  As for difficulty, I'm playing on Normal - I'm playing as my usual stealth ranged type, and the AI is still as silly as ever in Bethsoft games, so there are huge piles of raider corpses at certain corners that mark where I've been - pick off one dude and his friends all line up single file to get some combat shotgun in the face.

Scrapper and Scrounger are a must.

I run on normal and found some mobs are too bullet sponge for their own good. Low damage weapons are terrible in this game, firing them felt like a waste of time.
If you actually follow the main quest, they shower you with a lot of goodies like power armor. I'm still using a Laser Rifle reward I gained on first hour of the game till near the end of the main quest chain because I never bothered with the whole crafting and modding. I just felt normal difficulty will not force the player to delve too much into crafting and modding which isn't challenging, just piling more tedium with repeated backtracking to get those materials. I basically put on the power armor I get from the Minutemen opening and 'powered' thru the main quest till it broke apart. Ditched it, joined brotherhood of steel, suddenly 100% condition BoS Armor, 10 Fusion Core from just looting boxes in their base, 30 laser weapons from following one of their mission, 5 mini nukes.

Deathclaws are a waste of ammo and can be outrun anyway, and that's how I dealt with most encounters that I felt unrewarding to the amount of effort you put.
Char Build started as a joke, but the unlocked Luck perks carried me through most fights easily.
ST 5
PE 1
EN 1
CH 5
IN 1
AG 5
LK 10

Investigative Journalism, Gamespot Edition:

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/fallout-4-release-leads-to-dip-in-pornhub-traffic/1100-6432296/

EDIT: although, to be fair, this was first reported on pornhub itself  :grin:

http://www.pornhub.com/insights/fallout-4-release-traffic (link looks safe to me)

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The gunplay and melee is way better.

Plot and dialogue are awful and pure Bethesda shit. I enjoy all of the awkward pauses between my dry as cardboard character and the NPCs as the scripting desperately tries to catch up. Maybe NV spoiled me for good dialog and having tons of options on stuff to say.

My build out of The Castle continues... witness the start of its transformation to Fort Awesome...

My gun collection as of Lv20 (about as upgraded as I can get with Gun Nuts 2 and Science 1):
http://imgur.com/a/sG3As

That's incredible.

I'm not far in, I'm still trying to fortify Sanctuary. It's pretty much an island, so I've got the bridge secured but I'm worried about the one leading to the Vault. And don't want to find out that the enemy AI can ford the river the hard way.

So I started working on a wall. Kinda trying to figure out some of the tricky areas (like where a house butts right up against the build barrier, so I can wall it off sorta but couldn't get to large sections behind it anymore.) The main bridge is somewhat fortified (wall, door, sentry position, some upgraded turrets) but I just realized I could place turrets on TOP of roofs. I just need to find 'stairs' in the build menu.

I think its under wood structures.

Whoah, you can do wrestling moves in this game. I was jamming the melee button up close and my guy picked up and slammed a raider to the ground.  :awesome_for_real:

Hostile vertibird swoop overhead, side gunner starts firing at me. Switched to missile launcher. Hit the gunner dead..explosion took out the pilot as well. Vertibird crashed. Explosions. (https://youtu.be/ywj4UmM44yc?t=661)

My first encounter with a Deathclaw in the wild ended with my demise as I anticipated, but not *how* I anticipated.... it picked up a car and threw it at me!   Ouch.

So, uh...I'm getting only right leg armors from legendaries. I've got like 5.

Have the same problem, except with right arm

Can't describe how much I am liking this game. It's Fallout 3 with updated graphics, and I can't see anything wrong with that. So much to do, to see, to explore, to kill. Radioactive heaven.

Oh, out of a million things, that feeling when you pick up a radio signal and you have to follow it and find the source and find out what happened, and get to live a micro-story without even interacting with a single NPC makes me love gaming even more than ever.

Does building walls and shit actually help during attacks or is it just the actual defense that matters?

I've only had one attack on one of my bases.  I had no defenses and I got a heads up asking if I wanted to defend.  About seven ghouls attacked.  I do have stout defenses at Sanctuary, but no attacks there yet.  So I guess I don't have the answer to your question.  :oh_i_see:

It depends on the layout of the city. I've seen multiple reports that mobs will spawn inside sanctuary and had had one supermutant inside the city when I was last attacked. I'm pretty sure the area he showed in was sealed-off so I'm guessing he spawned inside. There were 3-4 outside my walls getting chewed-up by my turrets, though.

The smaller farms and the boathouse, however, prove to be very defensible with walls.

The only attack I've had was at one of those settlements you get from a quest (Tenpines, I think) and it had no defenses. I just showed up and killed 3 Raider Scum, who were milling around in the town center.

I missed (or didn't get) an attack alert on Sanctuary, and my pip-boy showed 0 population after (OMG!).  Turns out I only lost one person I think (8 to 7) when I arrived, but they damaged my turrets, generators, and almost every food plant.  It's unclear to me if the attack would have been that bad if I showed up while it was underway, and also unclear if sufficient defense makes attacks never happen or just far less likely. 

Holy crap this game is good.

1000 Deathclaws vs 100 Brothers of Steel. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofuW7d3fyOc)  :why_so_serious:

I'm having an ace time replaying Fallout 3, but I'll admit to seething burning jealousy at you all.   :why_so_serious:

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What exactly do you need to make the settlements grow?  As far as I can tell, I've added plenty of beds, walls, power, defenses, food, to Sanctuary, and the happiness is at an upward trend, but there's still the same five losers moping around.

Also, I've seen people hammering away at the main house, and I have definitely seen them take off the little square panels and replace them. So I thought, 'cool, the settlers themselves will improve the look of the place over time!'  Except some time has passed, and I noticed that the place doesn't look any better.  They just randomly remove and replace panels.  That sucks.

Does anyone know if reverse pick-pocketing weapons and armor still works?  I've always taken great pleasure in improving all the little settlements by giving everyone better armor and repaired hunting rifles.  Now that they can actually regularly come under attack, it seems like an even more useful tactic.

You just talk to friendly NPCs and ask to trade, then put whatever you want in their inventory and press T on what you want them to equip from their inventory. Done. You can make them look good, or gear them up as effective killing machines. Try giving them a Rocket Launcher.

Oh crap I didn't realize you could make them equip things.

I decided to fortify the Red Rocket instead of Sanctuary because fuck everyone.  So much steel wall.

You need to build a radio beacon.  They'll start showing up fairly fast after that.

Yep, this. It's under power > misc

Your settlers are capped at 10+ 1 per point of charisma you have.

I think my biggest complaint about the game so far is the lack of weapon variety. The depth of the mod system is pretty great, but it seems to come at the cost of the breadth of a wider selection of base weapons to tweak.

Maybe I'm just spoiled by the best of both worlds approached New Vegas went with.

That was my complaint as well early-on but I think there's the same selection as Fo:NV had w/o the Gunrunner content. You just don't realize it because the raiders are so ubiquitous and only have pipe rifles.

Also contributing to this is that you can make any 10mm a 10mm Automatic so that's "half" the weapons eliminated there.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_4_weapons
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_3_weapons

We're missing things like the Lever-action rifles and the useless BB gun, but overall there's about the same # and type of weapons. You also have to ignore some of the one-offs of FO3 like the Protectron's Gaze laser pistol. Something like that will be a Legendary Laser pistol in FO4.

I'm enjoying Fallout 4 for what it is and I'm hoping for the future mods and dlcs to make it a really great game similar to how it turned out with Skyrim. My only (even if really tiny) worry is that Bethesda might try to sneak in the "pay for mods"-model they tried to implement with Skyrim (the rationale being that it's a new game compared to Skyrim's already established mods when the money-grabbing scheme was introduced). :why_so_serious:

Considering they're bringing mods to X-box, that's exactly what they're going to be doing. There will be 'Bethesda Supported' mods which will have a DLC cost. PC gamers will always be able to patch and adjust because it's a Windows box.

Just have to reiterate how much I'm digging this. An explorer's playground, cool stuff around each corner. I like the little tie-ins strewn around, like


I just really liked how my random poking around felt really narrative without dialog, just bits and pieces to frame it.

I apparently joined the Brotherhood, I'm a sucka for paladins. Tried to rush to Diamond City, got whomped, then got bogged down in the city with the Brotherhood's police station because there's just so many nifty little combat setups. Hearing the crack of gunfire a block over is another visceral thing, am I going to rescue someone or just sit back and wing legs as two enemy factions duke it out...


If you can't get your money's worth out of this game, you're nuts.

There must be lots happening off screen in the back ground as I keep coming across corpses just randomly lying about. I came upon some bridge that had a legendary raider dead lying on top of it. Really enjoying how it gives the impression of more going on then what's just happening with the player.

Yeah that and the chasing gunfire that Sky mentioned are what really drew me into FO3. It's nice to see they carried over into 4 as well.

I also enjoy several of the, "Oh shit, I shouldn't have done that" moments I've found. Like the siren I repaired that summoned 3 deathclaws. Oops.

My settlement's going pretty good.  I have 8 Charisma, so I'm nearing my cap.  I keep all of my settlement stats (food, water, etc.) in the green.  I also provided power to the barracks and put a nice ceiling fan in each since I heard one of them complain how hot it was. Light and cooler now.  I've even converted my old home into a rec center with an icebox, jukebox, tv all powered.  I also have a pool table in the living room (which my wife would never let me do when she was alive so suck it!) and two cues.  I have three balls and on the lookout for more, hope to get them all.  #thestruggleisreal

Every settler I give a job to gets a hat so I know they are not free-loaders.   My guards have army helmets, sniper rifles and average armor.  Really wish I'd be attacked, would love to see how my people would do. 

They'd put on your power armor that was left open.

That's why you take the fusion core out when you leave it.

I've heard that doesn't work.

And it's a cheesy way to recharge your fusion cores.

I did not test it but are this really off screen happening or its just trigger when You are around, then stops when You leave the area and waits for You to come back?
I'm not sure if I'll miss something if I will finish something in the other part of the map and then come back.

I finished the game in a rapid manner just to see  ending.

For the 2nd playthrough I'm trying to avoid doing anything. I love the micro-stories for each locale. Their dialog may suck, but the world is pretty amazing.  All the settlements calling in help every five hours or so gets a bit annoying, but I get to see other areas.  I also will suggest you afk or wander around the green diamond talking to all the guards. They give out some interesting tid-bits. Vault 81 is pretty cool too.

Philosophers have struggled with this question since the beginning of our ability to question the world.

I wasn't able to play (IT BEGINS) because I'm SURPRISE having my house painted.

It does work. The one time I left a fusion core in I had to track down my armor. Ever since I make a point of taking it out my armor stays on the stand.

 :awesome_for_real:

The best ones are when you hear gunfire for a bit and then there is a giant explosion.  Somebody fucked with a suicide mutant.

Had one of those last night, it was glorious.

I've taken great pleasure when I get frustrated in turning on cheats and pulling out a fatman launcher.  Those mini-nukes are so much faster than missiles and very impressive. At one point I think I had 30 in the air raining-down on Diamond City Marketplace.  :drill:

I also got through the Diamond City portion of my quest, after the Dogmeat bit:

I'll randomly get to work on something and then hear people popping off in the distance. Occasionally that popping will abruptly end with a flash and a big boom. Someone's got a fat man.

I was attacking some raiders last night that were entrenched around some old factory,either my gunfire misses or their miss tossed molotovs started a massive chain of explosions of old cars and trucks around the area that caused an explosion and massive fireball I didn't think was possible.Was one of those sit back and go 'woah' moments.Then happily run around looting all the crispy corpses.

Do you need to travel with a specific companion for their perks to be active, or do they just stay on as long as you got them already?

Yeah, cars and trucks torching off can be a real bitch. Learned that the hard way in the first yogi bear fight, then while in a car factory in the middle of a firefight against raiders with turrets, my distraction protectron was drawing enough fire that it torched off a car on the assembly line. Heard the first boom and ran for the stairwell. Nothing was left alive when the booms finally stopped. Awesome.

I've died more to exploding stuff so far than any other cause. That red directional indicator is way too small and unobtrusive.

And it's red.  :awesome_for_real:  :sad_panda:

RK, I found your first Fallout 4 Mod.

http://kotaku.com/fallout-4-mod-replaces-mini-nukes-with-your-baby-1743061501

The potion hoarding part of my brain won't let me use power armor :/ Are the power thingies rechargeable at some point?

No, but you find a ton of them. I've got 8 right now and haven't bothered conserving by hopping-out to explore or when in safe zones, and don't have the Nuclear Physicist perk.

Really once I got over my same trepidation about consumables I found things went better with the armor than without. If I'm back-questing I'll hop out but main story and "oh this is a dangerous town" it's Power Armor all the way.

I'll sometimes grab the power armor for stuff where stealth clearly is not going to be optimal, but, yeah, besides it conflicting with my stealth sniper approach to combat, I too hoard my fusion cores (though I think I've got about 10 now).

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So Fusion Cores are basically the new health potions?

Enclave Power Armor = best Power Armor

Yup. With a shark paint job.

Had a room packed with 3 synths and one synth leader, tossed a frag grenade in, got a bunch of exp pop ups and everything is quiet.  Until i walk in and the Synth leader is on the floor sitting propped up against a desk legless but alive and proceeds to light me up with his auto laser.  Fuck, i love this game.

Ye like dags?

I was beating on a skull robot and doing ok, but he leapt in and his head opened up and turned into a laser and fried me.

Watching some dudes fight super mutants, they were armed with flamethrowers and it was foggy out. Had a wicked creepy WW1 vibe, looked intense.

Saw some raiders actually manage to take down a vertibird in a random fight. Piper almost ate it in the wreckage.

Seeing a few interesting evolutions in areas I'd previously done quests in as well as references to my activities on some computers. Still not very far along, but still some nice small touches to push the verisimilitude.

My first encounter with super mutants was stumbling on a roving band of them, and getting tackled by one that rushed me, carrying a mini-nuke.

That earned me the "Touchdown" achievement.

I find killing by mines and grenades very satisfying.  Saw a super mutant across a courtyard with a building at his back.  Threw a hail mary since it was so far way and it detonated after one bounce killing him.

So satisfying. I found myself in trouble in a Water sanification plant full to the brink with mirelurks and especially a very nasty Legendary Mirelurk. After dying a couple of times in less than a second, I devised a plan: lured the thing in a hallway and backpedaled while dropping landmines (about three of them). The beast stepped on all of them and definitely felt it but refused to die, but didn't feel like chasing me around some more corners, so it stalked me and trapped me in a dead end. From there, I tossed three or four grenades against the wall angling them so they could bounce against the wall and straight on the monster, and a few seconds later I got the Ding! XP! message. Mission accomplished.

Disappointed with some weapons:
- Flamer: Weaaaaaak. Damage output is like spraying them with cold water. Toss molotov and unload shotgun shells instead.
- Minigun: Looks cool, but it's not really good enough for even light targets. Inaccurate at medium range and ineffective against medium armor at point blank. Deadweight.
- Auto rifles in general, not worth the low damage, high recoil. Terrible in VATS, poor pay off in real time. I rather just do rapid taps on Laser Rifle since it's wayyyy more accurate. They also make better crit builder in VATS.

Frag mines are just auto-win as long as you're not fighting dudes with grenades. Find a corner, plant frisbees. Ding. Assaultron goes down quick with 2-3 of them and shotgun to the face.
I haven't crafted a single weapon mod since I don't have the perks, but seeing as how I can't do the Jumpjet/Tesla without Perks, I guess I'm screwed anyway. Kinda disappointed I can't pay someone to mod my Power Armor.

Full dialogue mode. Yes please.

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/1235/?

All the weapons are poop on their own. I think Bethesda wants you to max out one of the damage boost perks, because at full rank you get double damage and bypasses a lot of armor.

Yeah, they're VERY "pick a path" with the weapons. I played around with cheatmode because I was frustrated with low damage and wanted to see which would be most effective. The difference between zero points and even a few points in a specific weapon category is massive.

However I really dislike how they've split-up the categories as the perks aren't intuitive. The 'energy weapons' perk is gone, with Nuclear Physicist only affecting Radiation Weapons, of which there are 3. The Agility perk is ALL automatic weapons, regardless of type. So Automatic lasers, rifles, shotguns, plasma weapons, and Pistols are covered under this one perk. However single-shot weapons are split across three different perks. Plasma thrower is under Heavy Weapons, Pistols have another perk in the Agility Line and Single-shot rifles are under Perception.

Kinda fucked.

Seems like Agility is THE stat as it gives you sneak, most weapons and VATS boosts. Int (for Medic, Gun Nut, Hacker, Scrapper, Science and Nuclear Physicist)/ Charisma (for settlements) are the second strongest stats.

The V.A.T.S melee distance increase at 9 agi is so hilariously OP, you basically get the range of most guns.  Glad i went with a melee build for my very hard playthrough.

My Legendary Incendiary Minigun is very nice for when an unexpected Deathclaw appears. Unfortunately, it results in me running out of Minigun ammo though. Plus, you just look really silly running along in power armor holding a pistol.

Ran into a dead legendary raider & friends. After sneaking around trying to find what had taken them all around I noticed some gooey body parts  which turned out to be from a super mutant suicider.  :why_so_serious:

:oh_i_see:

Epic encounter with "a" Swan  :drillf: This game!

I found a .50 cal pipe rifle with a silencer and night vision scope. One shot kill on super mutants. Fuck yes.

I would like to be able to craft bullets.  I assume this problem will go away later.

It did for me when I was like "this is not Silent Hill" and I went into offline mode and am abusing the ever living fuck out of the infinite money bug at every store in the game before continuing.

I'm not buying anything but bullets and I never take extra money from the store, I'm just uhhhh, not playing this fucking "Bullet Economy Simulator."

I spent a LOT of time to kill a certain Queen Mirelurk. That was fun. I could cheese it a bit but it still took some care.

I'm ok with relatively uncommon bullets. It's only been an issue a couple times. Bullet sponges tend to mean 'come back later' or 'find damage type weakness'.

Really loving this combat shottie I found and upgraded. I usually hold off with my ammo until I can make it worth it with a decent gun. Skipped regular and double barrel shotties, and even with the combat shottie I waited until I found one with some decent mods already. Now I've got a nice close combat weapon to complement my mid (tuned for AP) and long (tuned for accuracy and dmg) range rifle set.

The Scrounger perk, from the Luck branch, helps a lot with that and it takes only 2 LCK to get it.

I had to kill her fast, that acid spray was making me go through my dwindling stimpack supply fast.  My entire mine stockpile and a couple mini nukes right into her mug weren't enough to drop her.

Just give yourself bullets #pcmasterrace

Eh, one point in the bullet finding perk and you'll never lack for ammo.

A hashtag, Trippy ?  OMG.   :awesome_for_real:

I know, I know.

At least it's not an '@' symbol.

@Trippy What's the console command?

and.... does it lock out achievements  :oh_i_see:

Console commands don't lock-out achieves.

~
player.additem <ID> <quantity>

A google doc for item IDs:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J9quAMtGK70aptz0t5teqWHGZJ9T9uvJmzNEBJEB36Q/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true

god bless

In the previous ones using a console command would disable achivements for that session, but if you save, quit out and come back in the achievements are back on. Not sure if FO4 is the same.

I've been abusing the fuck out the console cheats and still get the achievements.

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It's not the same. I did addxp to play with perks and it tagged me with the "hit level <x>" achieves for 25 & 50. It also tagged me for freeing the Castle when I decided to use that to test my newfound perktitude.

Restoring the savegame where I didn't mess with it, I was able to get a few more achieves last night.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/Merusk/stats/377160/achievements/

How cool is this, Codsworth recognizes a fuckload of faces I mean names.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d04tWXLXuNc&feature=youtu.be&t=45s

I'm about 10-12 hours or so in and having a blast. I have only met about three traders and only one had anything I wanted to buy; do they get more important later? Other than adhesive I'm not really short on anything.

Also, Blowflies and those Bloodbugs seem to be the toughest enemies in the game relative to their level and size. Super mutants go down a lot easier.

I'm so very tempted to buy this but I'm worried my rig won't run it very well.  You guys and your posts, what with the fun being had and all, is just goading me.  I was planning on entirely new guts for my computer by the end of the year but was hoping Cyber Monday might bring some good deals before I start pickin' parts.

Back to Divinity: EE and Heroes Charge for now  :grin:

wait next year till loverslab mods are out  :why_so_serious:

I just took a mandated online school training for as risk students that had a greater amount of compelling dialog trees packed into 45 minutes than I got out of Fallout 4 in 30+ hours.

Unlike the engrossing dialog trees in all the other great works of video game fiction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC9yXH1FlmM&list=PLC67656DBFAAD09C4
Bethesda could never pack in a 30 minute dialog.

It's useless to expect KFC to serve nothing but KFC. And when they serve you a burger it's just chicken with bread.

(http://i.imgur.com/kqNOajW.jpg)

 :uhrr:

Personally if Bethesda games had Bioware narrative style I'd be on the moon in happiness. And yet, someone would complain that there's too much words and drama and oh my god just let me play and roam and scavenge and it's badly written and who cares about this shit blah blah.

Fallout 3, 4, NV, and Skyrim could have ZERO NPCs and ZERO lines of dialogue and would still be up there for Game Of The Year any year they come out. Tired of the formula? No. Ask me again in 2025.

I don't really agree with the Bioware praise.

Mass Effect for example has lots and lots of great dialogue and a few very memorable characters. It's also the game where Shepard's tendency to pursue sexual relationships with under-age girls (it's really OK, though, because they 'love' each other) or his/her tendency to faternise with subordinates would lead to a court martial and dishonorable discharge and possibly a sentence for statutory rape if it happened on a real military vessel.

When they hit the mark it's usually great but their writing is all over the place really, even in marquee franchises like Mass Effect, Dragon Age or Knights of the Old Republic. You can get set pieces like the first conversation with Sovereign which is probably one of the best pieces of fiction writing in games yet. When they miss the mark you get 'to catch a predator' levels of unintentional creepiness though and a general tone and story arc that would land you in a mental institution and not in the role of ambassador for Earth and commander of Earth's most valuable space ship.

Their forté is writing believable dialogue and crafting interesting charcters and interpersonal relationships and they have a knack for individual set pieces. They are shit at writing believable romances or romantic relationships and their story writing and narratives arcs for their games are full of tropes and usually even more basic and forgetable than bargain bin fiction.

Bethesda hasn't ever really been known for engrossing dialog so I went in expecting a relatively mediocre story where you somehow become the most important guy in the world 2 seconds after setting foot outside your vault. That's pretty much what I've gotten so far.

Video game stories are with extremely rare exceptions total garbage and one of the reasons I've tended to like the Bethesda RPGs more than the Bioware RPGs is that essentially allow me to ignore the story and do whatever I want.

Yah.  I imagine the first time I go to Diamond City will be because I've just wandered there instead of actually continuing the main plot.

I'm having a lot of fun with this game, jank and all. I don't think I'll ever get used to the interface.  I constantly hit wrong keys.

Last night I shotgunned a raider in the face and blew it about a mile into the air.  I hope they never fix that.

I'm with Jeff in that I don't get the love for Bioware. They follow their own formula too tightly so all their stories seem identical.

I love the way ghouls and synths fall apart as they take damage, and how it changes their combat strategy.

I hate ghouls, I've gotten better at noticing the sounds they make before they reanimate but they still make me lose all trigger discipline when they do.  Speaking of sounds, this is the first game I've played in years that I haven't disabled the sound on.  Diamond City Radio is entertaining if repetitive and the ambient sounds actually provide useful information.

Room with 4 enemies that haven't noticed you yet;  target each of them for a blitz sneak attack with a melee weapon and then watch the carnage unfold in VATS slowmotion.  :awesome_for_real:

I just got to Diamond City last night. Piper's voice actress is rather nice.

My favorite ragdoll moment so far was on top of a building I had just cleared of raiders. There were a couple more on the roof, so as I exit to the roof I head ye olde chatter of gunfire. Sneak over and they're engaged in a firefight with the grenade-throwingest batch of super mutants ever. Raiders flying in every direction multiple times until they finally flew cartwheeling off the roof for food. Funny stuff.

That is...until a super mutant saw me and I joined them...

Oh yeah, at least for now, you can use HTML tags when you rename items in Fallout 4.

The USS Constitution was pretty amazing/amusing. I'm hoping for more things just as complicated and ridiculous.

The end of that quest was so freaking rewarding, and i'm not talking about the actual reward.  I loved the robots walking around talking about defending the constitution, then the last quest goal pops up as "defend the constitution".

Found my first annoying bug...Piper keeps falling off shit and breaking her leg. Fire escapes, buildings, cliffs, overpasses. Then she won't move, if I zone she sits at the loading spot to the new zone, haven't tried fast travel yet. Can't apply stims directly like when dogbreath was crippled and giving her a stack of stims didn't help.

Weird.

edit: well, here's a workaround. Shoot her until she goes down and you can apply a stim to get her walking again. Felt good, too.

Had my first annoying bug earlier tonight also, one of the dead drops for the railroad quests simply did not spawn.  I had to fix it using the console and that handy list of item id codes someone posted earlier, thanks!

I had this problem, too. I just make her walk around in power armor now so there's no falling damage. However, a super-mutant did manage to down her while we were at the satellite array so she was stuck there a while. I had to quit and reload to fix her, so it's good to know about the "shoot her down" trick.


Yer Welcome!

That's not the end,

Courtney Ford is hot. And if she breathlessly says, "That's a lot of metal" when I suit up in my power armor again...

That said, all the shit I've found wandering the wasteland makes me not want to finish the main story for fear of missing out on something.

I've found a lot of the little side-quests and one-off things far more engaging than the main story.  The environmental storytelling with terminal notes or paper scraps or holotapes to fill in some details is pretty awesome in a lot of places.

A favorite area I ran into (underneath a ho-hum clear-some-raiders-out mission) was The Dunwich Borers which was an nifty, creepy Lovecraftian thing.

Discovered this morning that if you have junk items in your inventory and open the Pip-Boy you can press C (or some weird symbol button or whatever on a console) to enter Component View which lets you tag or un-tag components individually. Very handy when you have Scrapper 2 which highlights things that break down into tagged components in the world. Tag all components and everything lootable is highlighted!

Now that's interesting.  As I was reading your first line, I was going to post about the Dunwich building I just went through in Fallout3 and mention that they've always done this.  Then you hit me with the second line.  Someone there really likes the Lovecraft.

Just a shame you couldn't do more with Jaime in that one.

I'm still not too far into the game, just about 10 hours played. I just met Paladin Danse.

Here I am:

(http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/388794745860019708/BBE8BE10D5E62C2E1A6EEED64303112A1DE77562/)

I can't decide what to wear.  After the last "oh shit this house is full of feral ghouls" I'm opting for more defense.  I was wearing the power suit everywhere until I noticed that it uses fuel just to stand around and I haven't learned where to get more.

I really wish you could layer the legendary armor add-ons over the Silver Shroud outfit. I like wearing the Silver Shroud--I'm trying to do stealth/sniper most of the time--but it's hard to give up the great bonuses of some of those add-ons, so I keep going back to wearing my vault suit plus the add-on stuff.

I just keep wearing Power Armor. It seems like cheat mode after a while. But the increase carry weight helps a lot. Also, the damage resist is too good to ignore.

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For me it's all about sticking people with a switchblade while looking like highway robber.
(http://i.imgur.com/c4i330J.jpg)

edit:better picture

The dress-up game is so close yet so far.  I spend an inordinate amount of time trying to figure out which pieces work together.  I think I should be able to wear a gas mask and a beret together, for example.  Mostly for the benefits of each but also ARE YOU MY MOMMY.

I do wish more of the civilian clothes could be worn under the component armor. I'm in alloyed metal, mostly, with a combat armor chest I found in a military stash (I love the Captain America feel of teh star on it). Just got some 1 CHR shades, so finally taking off my welding goggles. Military helmet and an insulated Vault suit. Whole thing looks awful, mostly due to the Vault suit but it has the best secondary protection (and is my only rad protection at all).

Level 18

There's already a mod (http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/745/?) to allow exactly that. Not used it myself so I can't vouch for it, and I've read that mods released pre-GECK *may* have issues later on with savegame corruption, based solely on what happened with mods for Bethesda previous games that were released before the proper modding tools were available.

Also it's possible, dependent on faction progression, to modify some base clothing with something called Ballistic Fiber later on in the game that hugely adds to it's defence.

I gave a leg armor to a guy in town and he decided he has to strip off all his clothes.  I then gave him a sack helmet.

Ballistic weave makes the under armor clothes better than the armor.

I've been avoiding the single pieces in favor of quest armor, a couple of which are very nice.  Overall not too keen on my CHA build.  It's great for turning 200 cap jobs into 400 cap jobs, but I should bump it to 10 instead of 8.  Some of the persuasions I'm actually failing at.  Some of the quest weapons are amazing, but I've not gone Gun Nut, so not sure if you can craft better than quest.

Hat  + Glasses + Outfit can net you an additional 5 cha.  I change whenever I do a turn in or meet a significant npc. Sometimes I forget that I have it on and end up getting destroyed by ghoul pack.  :awesome_for_real:

(http://i.imgur.com/HPrEKCh.jpg)

On the left, the Minutemen General's Uniform (45/80/0) and Hat, in the middle a +3CHR dress and +1CHR hat, and on the right a Hazmat Suit (0/0/1000) for swimming in radioactive lakes and suchlike.

The sunglasses are +1PER and it is a travesty that the game will not let her wear them under the Hazmat helmet, even though there's clearly enough room!

I decided to look at this as a feature. Now all  my settlers are walking around in underpants with a few pieces of synth armor and a helmet that covers their head entirely. Sack helms, gas masks, flight helmets. It's gloriously absurd.

Now I just wish companions would use the goddamn weapons I give them instead of having infinite ammo for their shitty starter weapons.

Put a flight helmet on the hazmat suit and you have a star wars rebel pilot.

Yah, just wanting the CHA 9 and 10 skills but too cheap to invest in CHA anymore.

Also, those of you that finished the game;  is there an actual ending? I don't want to goggle, afraid of spoilers.  But I've gone past a big twist and I want to start a new character if all I have left are sidequests.  I just did

I think you need to give them ammo too.
I handed a minigun to Cait and a ton of 5mm bullets I collected since the start of the game and she fired it non-stop.


Uh... that's not the end actually. You still have to pick between the factions to back for the final battle.
But yeah, there's no ending slide. Just a short cinematic. If you want some kind of ending slide, speak to the companions post the final battle. Most of them will have their preferred faction, some of them won't make out of it alive due to faction loyalty.

I'm doing a steath sniper/stabber, the Grognak armor is great. With a +1 luck bowler hat and wrap around goggles. Not much of a fashion plate, but pretty effective as long as don't get spotted by too many people.

Man, I can't wait for the survival mods, things are just too plentiful in Bethesda's post-apoc. Scarcity isn't a thing.
The locational damage is already there, it's a good base for proper 'hard difficulty' mods like Skyrim's Requiem.

I turned up on The Prydwen in a red dress, fashionable sunglasses and trilby hat and some BoS bigwig said "You don't look like much of a soldier" to me in a perplexed tone.

FFS it took me 60 hours in this game to realize you CAN wait to pass time but only when you are sitting down.

Very nice map  here (http://i.imgur.com/qktiIVZ.jpg). Linking rather than in-lining because it's large.

Thanks!

Ah, that's why the graphics look like crap.

There's essentially no difference between medium and ultra

http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/2181-fallout-4-texture-resolution-comparison

 :oh_i_see:

The environments look good but the character models are pretty crappy.

Noclip your walls: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmjausOrCEw

However, I like the building with rugs method better.

1) Place Rug
2) Place object you want to clip on the rug
3) Click and Hold "E" and it will select the object and the rug as an assembly
4) This assembly uses the rug as the clipping check, so place it wherever you need to.

Bonus vid: Advanced building tricks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CR8nOTDhh8

The armor has pretty low rez textures as do some of the faces. I'm willing to bet cash this has to do with consoles and just like with Skyrim Bethesda will put out a hi rez texture patch. But yeah, saying the graphics look like crap is silly.

Getting the occasional slowdown after about 60 hours of play. I wonder if it's about having to keep up with everything I've discovered.

Probably something to do with the 60 hours.  :ye_gods:

I'm fairly sure he doesn't mean 'in a row'.

After 30 hours, I started over because, um, I tend to do that. Amazing how many little things I missed just in the starting area on my first run through.

BETA patch on Steam.

#pcmasterrace

edit: @Trippy

Yup, Friday I finally throughly searched the areas around the vault because I remembered how they put things there that set you up for later in the game.  Found an important item.

Well... given this place's clientele, I didn't want to assume.  :why_so_serious:

Sadly, the most I've achieved is 10 hours in a row.

(http://i.imgur.com/Gyrnndl.gif)

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Leaving a story area, swapped out of my charisma gear into armor. Piper turns and says "Uh, Blue? Where are your pants?"

Forgot to put on the ol' undersuit...

This game has so much depth. I'm level 18, I think, and I've not even gone past simply finding Diamond City.

I've leveled at least once solely by building a wall around Sanctuary and doing other building tasks in town. I don't have the power armor from BoS because I haven't yet started Act II. I hope that I'm not boned in that regard, because all I've done is mod up a minigun and winterize all of the starter power armor.

At this point, there's no way I'd restart, even if I wish I'd assigned stats differently. It looks like I can level my way out of most of my bad choices. It's also great just finding side things to do while getting to a specific goal. I bet I'll get distracted five more times on the way to the Castle, all the while building up new fast travel locations en route.

I did exactly the same, but after 40 hours.  :awesome_for_real:

Using Power Armor a lot more this time, because I know now that there's plenty of cores and its a lot of fun.

Maxed sneak + max melee distance + 10x dmg on sneak attacks + heat coiled super sledge = one shot legendary death claw.

Yeah, restarting too, many of my objections on the game are looking less of any issue and just stupid design choices (which people still need be live sacrificed for on the altar of the PC Master race), not playing on survival (I don't need to shoot super mutants 20 times in the head with a sniper rifle/laser with sneak attack criticals, I like having ammo), not building giant walls around settlements when wire walls will work better (turret LOS), and bad textures anywhere not inside a building (it's terrible that the game looks 100 times better inside building zones than outside, when it should look amazing outside like Skyrim), and abusing the hell out of power armor.

Now, just time to figure out to make my character look like Commander Sheppard.

So I was talking to this Settler about their Super Mutant problem only to be blown up by a Suicide Mutant during the conversation.

Hmmm well.........she wasn't lying.

Well, sounds like problem solved to me.

 :awesome_for_real:

WTF is up with these lazy ass settlers?  There is work to do and they will not let me assign it to them.  Just get the trade screen.

Are you in workshop mode?

Been playing too much, I just caught myself hitting tab to try to exit a browser window.

Nope, that was the problem.  I thought I could assign them the same way as when they introduce themselves.

So I decided to fast travel less. I was making a routine trip back to report in on Quartermastery, and it was close, so I hoofed it...and came across a bunch of stuff I missed the first trip through as well as a few new things (random encounters, it seems, or time of day things). So that trip informed my decision.

So I'm encountering a lot more little things here and there once I start walking more...and then the bombshell...just travelling over a bridge I've crossed a half dozen times already...


This game is amazing.

Yeah, I never fast travel in Fallout/Elder Scrolls by choice and it makes the games feel a lot better to me. 

Ok I've been checking under bridges for an hour now, please be more specific....

I googled it when I found a door that was inaccessible, it turns up in one of the faction plotlines. So you should come across it if you follow those.

I was tailing a group of super mutants when they got attacked by a pack of dogs, one of those things took out the group of mutants and the dogs...

Some of them are kids or named NPCs that are not treated as settler.

Yup, I think that's why Sanctuary's growth stagnates, too many lazy named NPCs.   And one of them actually has the nerve to say "I can't take all the credit" when you are doing everything for them.

I sent Dogmeat and Strong back to Sanctuary about a week ago and they're still gone.  :facepalm:

There's just so much to do in this game. I love it.  Only last night did I even progress the story. It's not completely terrible and Piper is kind of fun to have around.  I do miss my Lone Wanderer carrying perk.  Somehow I seem to be at around 200 carry weight base.

I have already put almost 48 hours in it and I keep finding big new locations, hubs AND characters with completely new stories. It is unbelievable. A friend of mine asked me if I have finished the main story, but I have NO idea which one is the main story and I couldn't care less. It just all feels that good. I hope it never ever ends.

It's all the damn guns. I've got a minimum of 5 "always carry" weapons
* Combat Shotgun
* Silenced .50 cal Sniper Rifle
* .45 cal Combat Rifle
* Handgun (10mm silenced)
* Laser Rifle

Then there's 3-4 others I swap as I anticipate a situation:
* Cryolator
* Fat Man
* Missile Launcher
* Minigun

Add on any sort of armor and you're easily near 200#

I've decided on my 2nd play through I'm rushing the story to get to the institute. All my time in the wasteland has made me pick BOS/ Minutemen over them.

Also it feels to me that Aid items weigh more than in previous games. Drugs, food, water, etc, all adds up. Don't forget to dump Mods out of your inventory too after crafting.

I was about to hit a raider base, examining my approach options when I saw a nearby ruin.  Thought I'd check it out first and found a secret tunnel to the very bottom of the raider base and killed their leader.  :drill:

Stalled out on my lvl 31 main; not sure which faction to pick.  My alt is 7th and is sneaking fun. I want to get to the point where I can reverse pick pocket grenades into my victims.

90 hours/played.  Taking a bit of a break for the holidays.  Haven't played even a minute of the new Hearthstone adventure yet.

I only carry a .50 sniper, .45 rifle for hip shooting and a shotgun for in your face indoors stuff. My armor is mostly deep pocketed, though I wonder about the lightweight vs pockets balance.

Wish we could SWTOR and send companions home to dump junk in the workbench.

edit: STR 3 character. Mostly Per/Cha for shootin' and sweet talkin'.

Energy weapons are so much better for weight.  Then I realized I can take the pistol perk and turned my sniper laser rifles into sniper laser pistols...

I don't send companions to a main settlement as they'll eat up space.  I send all of them to the Red Rocket.  Has the bonus of making it easier to find them, too.

I console commanded 10k encumbrance and I don't feel the least bit bad.

Started a new game and immediately went to work on Sanctuary.. Spent about 3 hours clearing up the area and setting some stuff up and my computer decided to reboot.   Load up my save and I am back to where I first came out of the vault.  :facepalm:

Something similar happened to me yesterday too. way down in the southwest somewhere, killed a bunch of deathclaws and a behemoth and then while trying to swap weapons, couldn't get out of the pip boy menu. Log back in and I'm back at sanctuary.  :oh_i_see:

I almost restarted again, and then I realized I'm level 10 and stole Duke's T60 armor, when I randomly bumped into him

It's going to be easy mode for the next half of the game.

I got stuck on a trading screen yesterday and had to reload a save.

Tab bug.

If you get the tab bug try shift-tabbing to the Steam overlay and back, fixes it 100% of the time for me.

Hit level 39 this morning, and I'd saved 2 perks so that I could max out Armorer and Gun Nut when I did. Fully maxxed out a +25% damage Assault Rifle that I got from a legendary Raider. Had to turn the difficulty up to Very Hard because shit got trivial all of a sudden.

I'm going to do this in my 2nd game. I also turn on god mode when building and don't feel bad at all.

Odd thing: I'm enjoying myself, but the more time I spend with this, the more I miss New Vegas. I think I'll go boot that up for a replay as soon as I'm done with the FO4 main storyline. Now if only those side quests would stop delaying me...

Yeah New Vegas had much better factions and interlocking storylines. The factions and "living world" aspect of this aren't nearly as good. I love the increased frequency and drama of the random battles around you - the BoS vertibird patrols adds immensely to that, but the factions feel kinda irrelevant.

Oh and I dropped the difficulty back down because complete bullet sponge enemies aren't much fun. An area that will receive lots of modding attention I reckon.

The storyline really falls on its face after a certain point. Why the fuck am I even talking to these chuckleheads, I have a legion of power armor suits, an arsenal of high tech weaponry and enough followers to stomp the entire wasteland. I really hope they take that into account eventually.

This is the feeling I get, too. The shitty UI in this just wears on me and the story isn't really compelling at all; the core gameplay is fun but when I come home from work, I don't find myself launching FO4. I'm hoping when there are enough mods out I can give it a proper playthrough; I'll probably console-command my carrying capacity up and ignore fast travel, too.

Aw fuck, this quest shit got completely disjointed, it's like they're desynched or something. I'm asked to choose from two factions but only one is offering related quests in the first place.

edit: checked a walkthrough. It's all a big mess.

edit2: fuck me now I'm pissed off. What a joke of a story. Maybe I'll reinstall Mass Effect 3. For the story.

This is what you get for trying to play the actual story quests  :awesome_for_real:

I was doing BoS quest and it removed me as an ally for one of my settlements. No way to get it back either, which rather sucks.

Yeah, i just found out i can't get max rep with Danse if i don't go for the brotherhood ending.  I've been dragging this dumbass around for half the game because he gives the best perk and now i'm screwed out of it.

I just can't get in to the game. I've tried a few times but I get bored. Where is somewhere in the world I can go soon after the start to get the hook sunk in?

The side quests weren't good either. I was constantly searching for something that wasn't completely insular and failed, so I turned to the main quest because at least the Minutemen were cool. But there really is nothing to pull the Commonwealth together. I guess New Vegas gave me unrealistic assumptions as to what I can expect from a Fallout game.

I guess I'll scour the remaining bits of wasteland at some point, but for now it's Pillars of Eternity again.

The hook is clearly different for everyone. It sinks in a lot of people from the get go, or when they stumble on the first thing that makes it feel like the wasteland has a life of its own. To me, it happened the moment I left Sanctuary and got to the Red Rocket fuel station. If it didn't for you so far, it's probably not gonna happen regardless of the quest or the place. Anyway, to not leave anything unattempted, I suggest you head for Diamond City, although I don't believe that will change much: characters and stories here only work if you are already invested in the atmosphere. If you are looking to get hooked, I don't think you will be.

Yeah I dont think I will. This one fells like it's missing the magic of New Vegas and Skyrim.

So, I'm loving my replay of Fallout 3 while I wait for Christmas and, well, this game.  And I'm hearing all the love for New Vegas which I've never played.  So I check steam and it's 66% off.  I'll be trying that tonight then....

For me it was getting to Concord, starting the the Minuteman thing and getting the power armor and mini gun.

The faction stuff is not affecting my fun at all.  I've been marvaling at how many side quests there are and how many interesting places actually exist on the map.  It seems like there is something interesting to explore any place you go.

I love cleaning out raider camps for some reason. There's a great kind of little miniplot on some of the terminals where they're all connected to each other.

Holy crap, though, the Forged ones were really difficult. I wasn't expecting that when I sniped one of the ones outside.

This was a great moment for me too, until I died to the Deathclaw 10 times. Ended up having to kill all the raiders with my pistol just so I could save all the minigun ammo for the bullet sponge.

I might be a hoarder.

Damn, I have yet to find a single T-60 suit anywhere and there you have 3 of them. You bastard.


Faction stuff was bullshit in NV AND Skyrim, (as was the "you must die now" ending of FO3 when you've got a supermutant who can deal with shit instead of you.)

 Hated it in all of them and actively avoided it in all the games until I finally "had" to finish the story because I felt my interest in the game itself waning. If you don't like the world it's not likely anything else is going to suck you in, least of all the "You must do things with one group to solve 'the big problem'" faction bullshit.

I haven't even been to Diamond City yet and I am 20 hours in.

I kind of resented the hook for the main story at the beginning, so I'm sort of just pretending it didn't happen and I'm just a random lone wanderer.

I was hooked the second I could start disassembling Sanctuary (which is immediately after reaching it).

Only seven?  Bah!

FYI for anyone that doesn't know, if you pickpocket the fusion core from any power armor, the wearer will get out and leave the armor, and more importantly, the frame behind.  You can do this with friendlies as well...

I've got 16 frames there (the one gap left has been filled since I took that pic) and I've left another couple behind in the field because my garage was full  :awesome_for_real:

Only 1 complete set of X01 so far, but 3 other sets missing only assorted legs & arms. Fully upgraded X01 Mk VI is pretty nice, but the way that DR works in this game is weird and I can't quite get my head around it. From what I can tell it's much, much harder to make yourself near-immune to damage in the way that you could in 3/NV.

I've played around with the various helmet & torso mods too and my preference is, undoubtedly, the Targeting HUD for the helmet, and Reactive Plates for the torso. The Targeting HUD highlights things far, far further away than VATS can pick them up. Would be nice if it distinguished between hostile & friendly a bit better though :-)

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If you accept the premise then there is no reason for you to ever stop and do any side quest ever. No one is stopping to go clear out random points of interest or casually explore the wastes when their son has been kidnapped. It is totally at odds with how I play these games.

Agreed, I thought it was pretty stupid too. It's a decent hook for a linear, cutscene fest ala Last of Us but not a great one for an open world game.

Waited till the deathblow was in front of a car, then blew the bitch up. The explosion took down a third of his health.

I know the hook's in me because the random radiation storms that tend to pop out of nowhere sound a lot like a hydraulic lift. I heard one walking down the street the other day in real life and instinctively started looking for a place to take shelter.

u'd change ur mind if this is a weaboo game and ur looking for your daughter Ushio

True story rk-kun desu~

Hmmm...

Do I really want to play more of The Sims: Nuclear Wasteland.

Or maybe something that doesn't involve a dialog bug.

Alright, you win.  I only have 10, including my complete X01.

I'm waiting for a mod that makes the Targeting HUD friend-or-foe, but I agree it's still the best.  Recon is a close second since you can tag stuff in case it hides or goes into stealth.  I need another level to get Science 4, but I think my torso mod is going to be a Stealth Boy.

Anything for less whining.  It's like you've plunged your dick in a vat of broken glass marinating in lemon juice and have decided your only way out is fucking it to death.

I seem to be in some kind of loop where the Brotherhood of Steel quartermastery quest is taking me to the same place every time.  :oh_i_see:

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I have 400 hours of play time in both FO:3 and FO:NV.

The only serious game play problems I had in both are random CTD's which is due to the lack of multicore support and is largely solved by changing processor affinity to only one core for the games.

FO:3, I had a quest NPC "vanish" and had to use console to teleport myself to their holding area (which is a cell somewhere above Megaton) and for FO:NV the Steam cloud bug with saves when I lost a 10 hour save when it first came out and was resolved by disabling Steam cloud saves, and the occasional infinite load screen (which I've also run into in this game).

The only redeeming qualities of this iteration of fallout is that it offers exploration and shooting things is kinda fun (so long as you're shooting at the right things, and they're not quest specific which makes them unkillable). The characters are paper thin and you could make cardboard cutouts of them and it would make them more memorable and certainly give them more depth. Interacting with any of them is painful, both in dialog and in the fact that it can force you to reload the game.

The design choices always seem to point to laziness. The building of settlements is nifty, however I think they would have been better served by doing something akin to Skyrim with upgrading player houses. This would have required art resources, but it would probably end up looking nicer than anything I will likely put the effort into (or 95-99% of the player base) and could result in something being done to those horrible shacks in Sanctuary and elsewhere.

This is the first Fallout/TES game that will hold very little, if any, replay value.

I thought you got a refund.

Happily found a full suit of X-01 just now. Still mostly hoarding the power cores for them, though.

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Also, finally got around to progressing the story line. The glowing sea is a fucking scary place, and cresting the lip of the crater...  Fallout does nutcases better than any other franchise I think.  :drill:

I'm not sure wtf happened here (https://youtu.be/F798PDky4WI)

So I learned the armor mods to give any cloth item 90phy 90elec dmg resist.

You can use the cloth suits that you can wear under actual armor also.

Yeah but then you're not in a tuxedo.

People who complain about paper thin characters in video games "these days" need to replay old game instead of using nostalgia to remember them. They've ALWAYS been paper thin snidely whiplashes and Dudley Do-rights in RPGs except a handful of standouts. It's a device so you can project your own thoughts and motivations.

You may as well criticize romance novels for having blank personality women or action movies for lacking depth of character in the hero.