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Reply #455 on: March 10, 2015, 12:30:11 PM

I became one of those bad players I mentioned when I changed characters to Malfurion. Totally did not get the hang of support in the two games I played. SUCKED SO HARD. Dampened what scant enthusiasm I had for the game.

Malf is great, but takes some time to really get the hang of.  This is particularly the case in quick matches.  His silence ult can be deadly when coupled to a stun and can shut an entire team down for quite a while.  The fact that Malf can replenish mana with his D gives the team much better sustain in the early laning phase.

I'm really warming up to Malf as support but still prefer Brightwing or Tassadar.

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Reply #456 on: March 10, 2015, 03:56:36 PM

My first Malf game was terrible. I kept mis-clicking my allies due to the confusing jumbles that were our fights and only healed a hero once that game. Kept the creeps alive though.

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Reply #457 on: March 10, 2015, 04:40:54 PM

I didn't have much problem healing guys, it's just that most of what I did seemed to be ineffective at best. Especially when Novas are popping out of stealth to 2-hit fuckers to death.

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Reply #458 on: March 10, 2015, 04:56:38 PM

I didn't have much problem healing guys, it's just that most of what I did seemed to be ineffective at best. Especially when Novas are popping out of stealth to 2-hit fuckers to death.

Support isn't the same as healer.  Matter of fact, most of the supports in HotS are poor healers.  Malf helps with sustain.  His heals are pretty weak at best, but they can be enough to improve sustain.  If you want to make him a reasonable healer, you need to get the healing ult. 

Li li is a better healer, but still lacks spike healing.  Uther has decent spike healing, but can't sustain it.  Etc.

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Reply #459 on: March 10, 2015, 05:00:50 PM

I didn't have much problem healing guys, it's just that most of what I did seemed to be ineffective at best. Especially when Novas are popping out of stealth to 2-hit fuckers to death.
Nova can be a real problem in low tier play and have a huge impact on the game. It's really interesting because at high tiers she is one of the worst assassin heroes, unable to kill most heroes without backup and possessing neither disables nor mobility.

Ever since they nerfed her armour piercing shots I've found her to be even less of a threat, but a lot of bad players will wander around on 1/4 to 3/4 health farming and/or never attack Nova while she's running around cloaked.

Malf's uses sustained healing, so he is weak to burst damage (which Nova provides in spades). You really need your team to have it together for the HoT's to work against heavy burst - this means people trying to stay alive in fights and not blindly relying on you to keep them standing (which they ought to do anyway, but often don't).

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Reply #460 on: March 10, 2015, 05:04:47 PM

Nova can be a real problem in low tier play and have a huge impact on the game. It's really interesting because at high tiers she is one of the worst assassin heroes, unable to kill most heroes without backup and possessing neither disables nor mobility.

This is a good point.  When team play gets better, some heroes become much less of a threat and others much more of a threat.  The game really builds on synergies between heroes rather than the strengths of a single hero.  Playing with a well coordinated team is a very different experience in HotS than playing solo queue quick matches.

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Reply #461 on: March 11, 2015, 04:46:10 AM

I have 4 keys, PM me for them. Keep in mind that I'm in an Aussie Timezone.

3 Keys sent to Azuredream, Tannhauser and Hoth - I think I got the reply message right. Let me know if you didn't.

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Reply #462 on: March 22, 2015, 08:24:47 PM

They made murky (finally) free to play! He's pretty terrible. Needs a solid team - I've been able to make him work with assault egg, and placing the egg for vision during fights. However, a lot of players don't appreciate or understand it. They think it's better to hide the egg in a far corner if the map as if I'm playing my own mini game (separate from the actual game, boring, and ultimately ineffective).

Double support is seeing a lot of play, and for good reason. It's very strong. Blizzard will hopefully be able to mitigate it a tad.

Also, I'm still getting some of those frustrating solo match ups - warrior/specialist/3xassassin vs warrior/2xsupport/2xassassin, for example. On the flip side, overall matchmaking is a lot better. Sometimes I'll have to wait 6 minutes though and then get slotted into a low level game which is amusing but kinda stompy (and boring). The reason for this is Illidan, who is absolutely fantastic against bad players. They can't deal with him and he can actually carry.
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Reply #463 on: April 07, 2015, 06:20:53 AM

4 more keys available. PM me.

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Reply #464 on: April 07, 2015, 08:59:35 AM

Ditto on the 4 here.

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Reply #465 on: May 14, 2015, 08:41:27 AM

Well, the release date for this thing got announced - June 2.  I've tried going back yet again, managed to save up enough gold to get enough Heroes to play in Hero League, and I would say my experience there has been really significantly better than it was in quick match. 
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Reply #466 on: May 14, 2015, 10:06:22 AM

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Can I easlily disable chat and never have to deal with MOBA players?

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Reply #467 on: May 14, 2015, 10:12:29 AM

4 more keys available. PM me.
Can I easlily disable chat and never have to deal with MOBA players?

Yes, actually. A new feature is that at the beginning of every match there is a button that pops up in chat that says "Click here to disable team chat"  And opponent chat has never been enabled.
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Reply #468 on: May 14, 2015, 12:02:46 PM

OK now THAT interests me.  The gameplay doesn't grab me though.
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Reply #469 on: May 14, 2015, 04:10:22 PM

OK now THAT interests me.  The gameplay doesn't grab me though.

You have to think of this game as a hero brawler rather than a traditional MOBA.  If you enjoyed ARAM in LoL or PvP in WoW, then the playstyle will suit you. HotS is VERY team dependent.  If you play with friends, this is awesome.  In random PUGS, not so much.   

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Reply #470 on: May 14, 2015, 05:14:46 PM

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If you play with friends, this is awesome.  In random PUGS, not so much.

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You have to think of this game as a hero brawler rather than a traditional MOBA.

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Reply #471 on: May 14, 2015, 05:55:59 PM

swamp poop

Is there something that you don't understand?  I'd be happy to explain.  I've played a lot of DOTA, LoL, SMITE, and HotS.  If you approach HotS in the same way as LoL or DOTA, you're doing it wrong.

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Reply #472 on: May 14, 2015, 06:01:44 PM

I think his point is more along the lines of ARAM is the random solo queue for the lulz mode and combining that with a game that requires tons of teamwork leads to a kind of contradiction, which is pretty much the same contradiction a bunch of us identified in this thread from the beginning.  The game ranges from quite fun to a total trainwreck, and that variance is the main reason I don't play it a ton. But then, that's the same issue I have with other MOBA games, and Blizzard didn't resolve it with this take on the genre.
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Reply #473 on: May 14, 2015, 06:13:50 PM

I think his point is more along the lines of ARAM is the random solo queue for the lulz mode and combining that with a game that requires tons of teamwork leads to a kind of contradiction, which is pretty much the same contradiction a bunch of us identified in this thread from the beginning.  The game ranges from quite fun to a total trainwreck, and that variance is the main reason I don't play it a ton. But then, that's the same issue I have with other MOBA games, and Blizzard didn't resolve it with this take on the genre.

That makes a lot of sense and I would have agreed with most of that.  It certainly shows more effort than an emoticon. Appreciate the input.

For what it's worth; As you get to higher levels in Hero League, the game gets increasingly more fun.  Playing with people that understand objectives and the current metas helps a ton. I'm guessing that's where I'll spend the majority of my time in this game.
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Reply #474 on: May 15, 2015, 09:09:24 AM

Still only doing PVE when I play. Still haven't had the problems you guys do.  awesome, for real

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Reply #475 on: May 19, 2015, 11:16:47 PM

Open beta phase has begun.  Anyone can play now.

http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/

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Reply #476 on: May 20, 2015, 02:51:04 AM

At some point a patch basically broke the game for me, I went from getting 30fps to literally 8 regardless of settings.

I wasn't particularly jazzed anyway but that's the end of that.

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Reply #477 on: May 20, 2015, 03:11:02 AM

Weird, I'm getting 60-90fps with everything maxxed out.

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Reply #478 on: May 20, 2015, 05:39:01 PM

Is any good? Are there quick sessions available? I can't really get into another one of these mobas that take 45 minutes or longer for a play session.

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Reply #479 on: May 20, 2015, 05:40:39 PM

Is any good? Are there quick sessions available? I can't really get into another one of these mobas that take 45 minutes or longer for a play session.

If you enjoy team fights, it's a fun game.  The typical game lasts 15-20 mins.  You can solo queue quick matches (you pick the hero you want to play) or hero league (each team drafts players).

I am having fun, but the matchmaker is pretty terribad.

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Reply #480 on: May 20, 2015, 05:50:44 PM

After having played some hero league, quick match is literally unplayable for me. I can not fathom why you queue as a certain hero, some of the team compositions just can not win against the other team compositions.  This is somewhat true in other MOBAs when you aren't playing draft modes, but it is FAR worse in this one because you can just end up without one of the important pieces (like a support).  I've never though I'd actually find a mode that made me nostalgic for blind pick.  As Nebu said, the matchmaker is just terrible.

I don't know why I keep trying to like this thing.  Maybe I'm just enough of a Blizzard fan at heart to want this thing to be decent.  Hero league is tolerable, but I find myself drifting back to Counter Strike for my competitive gaming fix lately.
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Reply #481 on: May 20, 2015, 06:10:40 PM

I don't know why I keep trying to like this thing.  Maybe I'm just enough of a Blizzard fan at heart to want this thing to be decent.  Hero league is tolerable, but I find myself drifting back to Counter Strike for my competitive gaming fix lately.

If you have a couple of friends that are similar in skill, the game is fun.  If you queue solo 99% of the time, then CS will probably be a better choice.

Solo play in this game makes me hate humanity even more than I normally do.

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Reply #482 on: May 21, 2015, 07:59:30 AM

Given time, they'll probably implement the same things that LoL has done, like a smarter match-making tool that allows you to play the champ you want in the lane/role you want as well, and then form teams based around your choices.

For now, yeah, it's basically LoL v1.0 again  why so serious?

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Reply #483 on: May 21, 2015, 03:15:48 PM

Never played a moba before because I figured would suck at it. Downloaded HotS and enjoying training and versus AI mode. Have never lost a match. In training with 4 AIs on my side and 5 AIs on the other I generally can dominate the match. In AI mode with 4 real players on my side and 5 AIs on the other it appears to me the AIs play much better. I can't just dive in and get easy kills. Although winning the AI mode matches, they are much closer. Don't think I will play quick match mode because I would just be one of the bad players the good players on team hate.

Anyone here able to play The Lost Vikings? I used the try from the store and figured out playing it for real would be near impossible to me. Twice had another playing on team using them and they did well against the AIs.
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Reply #484 on: May 21, 2015, 03:21:50 PM

Anyone here able to play The Lost Vikings? I used the try from the store and figured out playing it for real would be near impossible to me. Twice had another playing on team using them and they did well against the AIs.

TLV are a test for ADD.  If you can play them, you have it.  The rest of us find playing them a nightmare.  why so serious?

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Reply #485 on: May 21, 2015, 03:25:28 PM

Lost Vikings are a lot of fun as you can split them, scout, dive with 1, soak a lane etc. I tend to build based on active rather than passive skills and end up with carpel tunnel syndrome at the end but it's fun. The trick is working out whether you want to split or group.

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Reply #486 on: May 21, 2015, 03:31:19 PM

Anyone here able to play The Lost Vikings? I used the try from the store and figured out playing it for real would be near impossible to me. Twice had another playing on team using them and they did well against the AIs.

I really like them, yeah.  They play really differently from the other heroes (a lot of the specialist heroes are unique like that).  They're a lot easier versus AI than humans because the AI doesn't prioritize them as well, each of the three vikings is pretty easy to take down if you focus them and they have pretty lousy escapes... but the AI doesn't pressure them any differently than a regular hero.  So against real people they're a lot trickier.

But if you play them right you can do just about anything.  They do great sustained damage, can solo merc camps and even bosses if you're high enough level, their ability to soak multiple lanes while ALSO capping map objectives is handy at times, and their boat ult is still decent post nerf (though their other one is garbage IMO).
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Reply #487 on: May 22, 2015, 04:10:13 AM

They are the strongest hero in the game by far. This is just based on my play experience, but it's nice to know HotSLogs has them at a 60% win rate.

They completely fuck several underlying game mechanics, most grievously the exp distribution.
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Reply #488 on: May 22, 2015, 08:05:06 AM

On the plus side, Kael is death walking to them once you get past the split lane soaking stage.
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Reply #489 on: May 22, 2015, 11:49:39 AM

On the plus side, Kael is death walking to them once you get past the split lane soaking stage.

He's also instant death to Valla, Jaina, and any other squishy. 

Play the hell out of Kael now, he's crazy OP.  Even the ML players are getting sick of him.

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