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rk47
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on: October 18, 2012, 06:56:42 PM

Played him till lvl 48.
I'm not sure what's wrong with it... PVE doesn't seem to matter much to me, everything's fine, but when I get to World v World, this profession seems to lack a good kit.
His utility are mostly selfish buffs and his tool kit for elixirs are too random to be reliable.

Anyone has any build tip for this guy?

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Reply #1 on: October 18, 2012, 07:33:25 PM

Engineer is kinda crappy until level 60 when you can buy the 30 trait extra grenade, then you switch to grenade kit with lots of carrion gear and just spam everything.  In WvW it's nice in the zerg or on defense but not something you would want to use for small group fighting.  For that I've heard there is a nice pistol build available once you can unlock penetrating shot but never used it myself.
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Reply #2 on: October 18, 2012, 07:38:15 PM

That's what I Thought as well, but I gave it a go (without the 30 trait) and the cast time plus half-loaded models annoys me as hell. What am I throwing it, and people are so mobile it's hard to land consistent hits. If I get too close, the play would just went sluggish, further fucking up the throwing accuracy.

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Reply #3 on: October 19, 2012, 07:59:17 AM

When I say the 30 trait I mean the one which is unlocked at level 60, it's the one that gives you an extra grenade.  On the way there is another trait that reduces the cooldowns of your grenades.  So I wouldn't bother with grenades until level 60 when you can unlock all that.  In spvp all those traits are unlocked but you wouldn't want to do grenades in spvp because people are smart enough to move.  I wasn't happy with my engineer until level 60 and wished I had rolled something else.  Other classes seemed to be able to do far more and do it far easier.

I just looked at a builder and the description was "chance" to throw extra grenade for the 30 trait, so maybe they nerfed it since last I played, that would really suck.

Be sure to switch to grenade kit underwater, some people don't realize you can do that, grenades are really strong underwater.  For targetting remember that you can push the same button a second time to throw the grenades, you don't have to mouse click.
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Reply #4 on: October 19, 2012, 08:04:37 AM

I can't imagine playing grenadier without fastcast (though double-tapping can work if you have good 'trigger discipline').

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Reply #5 on: October 19, 2012, 12:36:48 PM

Heck, I wouldn't be able to play longbow warrior without double-taps.

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Reply #6 on: October 19, 2012, 12:47:53 PM

I quit my Engineer at 71 because in W3 the spread of the grenades, plus the travel time make it incredibly irritating as fuck.
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Reply #7 on: October 19, 2012, 12:48:22 PM

Engineer needs work. Quit mine at 39.
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Reply #8 on: October 20, 2012, 02:31:54 AM

Yeah honestly, I can't see any advantage to this. I ran a Staff Guardian who just zerk his way with autoattack that hits 1500 per target in frontal cone (max of 5).
Even with 600 range, it felt more comfortable and accurate than what grenades can offer me at even 600 range due to the throwing lag.

Ditched this class.

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Reply #9 on: October 21, 2012, 04:35:55 PM

This video may help everyone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9IdpgUJCvs#!
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Reply #10 on: October 21, 2012, 06:28:47 PM


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Reply #11 on: October 21, 2012, 06:42:31 PM

That's insane, that guy is putting out as much damage as my thief with over twice the hit points.

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Reply #12 on: October 21, 2012, 07:02:54 PM

That's insane, that guy is putting out as much damage as my thief with over twice the hit points.

Will level my guy to 60 and see how it goes. He's definitely 30 on grenade trait.
I'm kinda bored with my Guardian anyway.

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Reply #13 on: October 22, 2012, 06:07:47 AM

Well that was fun to watch.
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Reply #14 on: October 22, 2012, 06:40:37 AM

One of the commentators said it best "And Engineer isn't even OP. I need to l2p my class :l"

Have you tried the internet? It's made out of millions of people missing the point of everything and then getting angry about it
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Reply #15 on: October 22, 2012, 07:36:29 AM

Some people can make any class look op.  Good editing helps too.

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Reply #16 on: October 22, 2012, 07:43:33 AM

Class balance is shit.  Lets not pretend otherwise.

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Reply #17 on: October 22, 2012, 07:49:38 AM

I think it's pretty damn good actually, and even if it isn't i've never heard anyone say engineers are op.

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Reply #18 on: October 22, 2012, 08:55:21 AM

Right... And what class is your main and do you sPVP or WvW more?

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Reply #19 on: October 22, 2012, 10:35:00 AM

Thief is my main character that i do world pvp with, spvp i play everything equally.

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Reply #20 on: October 22, 2012, 10:55:05 AM

The people fighting that Engineer looked awful.  But grenades are fantastic at close range though, no time to arc and spread out.
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Reply #21 on: October 22, 2012, 11:01:22 AM

Good pvp videos always make the opposition look horrible.

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Reply #22 on: October 22, 2012, 01:40:12 PM

I only watched the first part and it seems not all those guys were level 80 and none of them dodged once.
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Reply #23 on: October 22, 2012, 02:06:07 PM

Yesterday I would have made a good video of 2 Thieves attacking me and a Mesmer would have made a good video of how bad he owned my ass. Highlights are highlights, but that was still a good Engineer video.

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Reply #24 on: October 22, 2012, 07:10:16 PM

Those controls and kit swapping aren't learned from PVE. Takes a lot of finesse to do that compared to an Endure Pain Warrior.

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Reply #25 on: October 22, 2012, 07:13:50 PM

He also had to go through 60 levels without targeted grenades. I can't imagine the pain.

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Reply #26 on: October 22, 2012, 07:19:07 PM

There are plenty of level 80 guys that he rolls in that video. It's hard to tell how geared they are.

There are a lot of highlight reel things that I generally don't care about, but that stand at godsword (or whichever battleground he was in - the north most supply camp) was amazing.

Having played on ET for about a month and a half I'm familiar with the FoE (and FoER) guys. They are pretty solid overall - granted that probably wasn't their A squad.

He also had to go through 60 levels without targeted grenades. I can't imagine the pain.

Here's the secret for Engineers. Play with 2 friends - all of you make engineers. Get to level 11 solo. Pick up the flame thrower first. In options, uncheck auto targetting. This way you can flame thrower where you point. Now go flamethrow the fuck out of events and various zones. It's hilariously effective.

You don't want to have more than 3 people though. Any more and you'll have problems tagging mobs and getting exp/credit.
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Reply #27 on: October 23, 2012, 07:12:30 AM

FT is great until 60.  Then at 60 you can get berserker gear and GM grenades.

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Reply #28 on: October 23, 2012, 06:57:25 PM

FT is great until 60.  Then at 60 you can get berserker gear and GM grenades.



Yea they changed the stability bonus for the Flamethrower GM trait with perma might...
 There's really no arguments from me when it comes to traiting for GM Grenadier.

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Reply #29 on: November 08, 2012, 08:16:04 AM

Just a little preachin for the choir:  got back into my Engineer.  Once I found out about fastcast grenades it was on.  Such a fun class, although after the Necromancer it seems so squishy. 

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Reply #30 on: November 08, 2012, 08:38:44 AM

Okay, so I may have gotten a bit carried away with levelling my monk alt in WOW. why so serious? I'll be totally back for the Nov event, though!


Ontopic: grenades are fun, but bombs are crazay for solo pve. Bomb4 gives an aoe blind field, and bomb1 is basically a pbaoe attack that keeps going... and going... and going... It's easy to kite enemies and drop bombs in their paths too, which has a certain charm. I should totally rename my engineer 'Midnight Bomber What Bombs At Midnight' -- except it probably wouldn't fit in the name field. :(

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Reply #31 on: November 19, 2012, 11:16:57 AM


Ontopic: grenades are fun, but bombs are crazay for solo pve. Bomb4 gives an aoe blind field, and bomb1 is basically a pbaoe attack that keeps going... and going... and going... It's easy to kite enemies and drop bombs in their paths too, which has a certain charm. I should totally rename my engineer 'Midnight Bomber What Bombs At Midnight' -- except it probably wouldn't fit in the name field. :(

Got my engineer main to 80 finally leveling off a mix of different skills just to try thing (although I spent a lot of time in flamethrower and grendaes).  Then last Thursday I discovered the bomb kit.  HOLY CRAP!  I'm taking out champions solo now.  PvP/WvW is hilarious as I'm beating folks substantially more geared than I am by running around dropping bombs while the idiots run into them.  Seriously I was going to give up on the class until I discovered the joy that is the bomb kit.
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Reply #32 on: November 19, 2012, 11:29:55 AM

I thought the casting animation and delayed explosions felt clunky and awkward and kept getting damn near killed trying to use bombs. It just plain threw off my timing and I couldn't wrap my mind around it. Since I'm just running around WvW on IoJ typically solo and outmanned on my mesmer these days (which is mostly pointless), maybe I'll get my 39 engineer built for bombs and play around with it more.
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Reply #33 on: November 19, 2012, 06:19:21 PM

the grenade is a finger killer. it's just not practical to play through a dungeon and spamming it like a maniac.
the recent patch made it still the best kit to have in PVE :(
at this point, the engineer is shelved while I just dungeon run with guardian and alt a warrior for shit and giggles.

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Reply #34 on: November 20, 2012, 01:09:40 AM

Wouldn't it be possible to use a macro for a gaming mouse/keyboard to make it so that when you're holding down "1" (or one of the mouse buttons), it actually presses "1" (or the mouse button assigned to "1") every second or so, kind of like a turbo switch on controllers? I don't think this would be bannable, since you're still pushing the button, and I remember reading somewhere that this sort of automation is OK.

edit: Just read the the official policy on 3rd party programs, and it's a grey area depending on how you interpret the first question - not getting RSI does allow someone to play longer than getting RSI.  awesome, for real OTOH I did read quite a few posts about engineers using such macros and not really worrying about it. Banning people who do this instead of actually macroing multiple abilities together / teleport hacking / botting / etc would probably not be a wise move from Anet.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2012, 01:20:58 AM by Zetor »

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