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Reply #35 on: June 22, 2012, 05:03:13 PM

No.

Probably have nowhere near the play time as some of you as I only get an hour here and there to play and it's distributed amongst 6 different toons -- 3 hardcore and 3 non-hardcore Wizard, Monk and DH.

And my highest level character is mid-30s (though another is about to pop 30). I suspect if I ever complete the subsequent levels (Nightmare, Hell, Inferno) I might feel the same as some of the sentiment in this thread. Am enjoying the Hardcore experience (but highest character is mid teens thus far) -- it makes the game more interesting and challenging for me.

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Reply #36 on: June 22, 2012, 06:21:23 PM

aw c'mon. If burnout wasn't so prevalent I wouldn't have even started the thread but everyone I know has lef(long before I did) so I really was curious as to the why of it.

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Reply #37 on: June 22, 2012, 06:26:08 PM

I couldn't care less about either auction house. I was having fun until they fucking took all the destructible rewards away practically and then decided to drain my ability to save gold for just playing the game. Fucking 29k repair bill for 30 minutes of play and one death. They can suck it.

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Reply #38 on: June 22, 2012, 07:21:17 PM

I couldn't care less about either auction house. I was having fun until they fucking took all the destructible rewards away practically and then decided to drain my ability to save gold for just playing the game. Fucking 29k repair bill for 30 minutes of play and one death. They can suck it.

I think this is probably at the heart of it.

Diablo is a randomized reward skinner box. You're in a cage, press the lever and you get food pellets. Sometimes really tasty ones.

They just didn't figure out how to make the pellets tasty and give them often enough.
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Reply #39 on: June 22, 2012, 07:34:26 PM

Boredom. Had to force myself to finish one normal playthrough on my barbarian. On the next difficulty level things were still pretty damn easy. Tried to roll a monk, got really damned bored mindlessly clearing through a game I had already beaten. Plugging through the AH for upgrades is not fun. Game needs a toggle for "turn off demon dialog" and the loot was just damn boring. I'm not a Diablo II purist, even still I wish I had spent my money on something else.
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Reply #40 on: June 22, 2012, 07:50:06 PM

I played the Guild Wars 2 beta weekend, and it reminded me what a game is like when the company balances around "fun" not "RMT".
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Reply #41 on: June 22, 2012, 08:02:11 PM

I played the Guild Wars 2 beta weekend, and it reminded me what a game is like when the company balances around "fun" not "RMT".

This sums it up for me - except I have played the Torchlight 2 beta as well as GW2.

Pretty much explained why this game is a steaming POS in other threads but the repair bills at level 60 took the final tiny bit of fun out of the game.

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Reply #42 on: June 22, 2012, 08:22:14 PM

Pretty much the same reasons as everyone else has said, it use to be fun but all these small niggling changes have just killed it, barrels, repairs, drop nerfs, enrage timers.

I'll still slowly level my hardcore monk but won't be rushing it unlike my 100+ hour Inferno Monk.
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Reply #43 on: June 22, 2012, 10:12:40 PM

I havent been playing much either. With this latest patch it really feels like Blizzard has lost the plot with the whole risk vs reward thing.
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Reply #44 on: June 23, 2012, 12:24:22 AM

For me it was the lack of randomness. It was Titan Quest 2.0.

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Reply #45 on: June 23, 2012, 02:47:34 AM

I loved Diablo 2.  I could probably still load it up and enjoy it.  I used to joke that D2 emitted some sort of magically addictive substance because even though it was just a dungeon crawl for loot, i played it for years.

D3 is lacking that substance and I'm not entirely sure why.

All I can say is that it feels like too much stick and not enough carrot.  And I prefer to play to get gear...not to farm gold to buy gear off the AH.

Maybe I'll give HC a shot.  I used to enjoy that and it may liven up the game for me, at least until GW2 is released.
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Reply #46 on: June 23, 2012, 05:33:52 AM

I'm stuck in Inferno ACT II and got bored because playing a goldfarmer isn't my idea of fun. I farmed for a bit with MF gear and NV stacks, which is somewhat more entertaining but nothing good ever drops.

It's just all too boring. I can't be bothered to roll up an alt and I'm staying away from HC because I have absolutely zero faith in server stability.

EDIT: I didn't realize there was a patch, time to give it another go I guess.


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Reply #47 on: June 23, 2012, 05:53:57 AM

I quit playing 3-4 weeks ago.  Overall enjoyed the first playthrough, but the loot was lame and I had to buy my goodies off the AH.  After seeing the content, loot is all I have left to look forward to and it wasn't any good. 

I'm sure I'll pop back in when they un-fuck things.  It's just Blizz's MO now; release game for hardcore (loot mainly in this case), watch the playerbase flee, shit their pants and make it casual friendly.

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Reply #48 on: June 23, 2012, 06:15:29 AM

I also just got bored. Bit of an emperor has no clothes situation with the AH and all.
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Reply #49 on: June 23, 2012, 06:19:26 AM

The thing last they want is to make is casual friendly IMO. You have to understand Blizzard developers and executives have a family to feed.  Cry
Hence if they make a game too unchallenging ,then nobody would buy the auction house with RMAH, then the servers expenses would eat up into the paychecks and bonuses.  Sad Panda
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Reply #50 on: June 23, 2012, 11:44:33 AM

Zero usable drops since I used the AH to kit out my monk at level 20 or so. Fuck that. That's not the Diablo I want to play. It just murdered the fun for me.
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Reply #51 on: June 24, 2012, 02:31:05 AM

Wowzers. I haven't popped in the diablo thread in a bit. Glad to see I'm not the only one sitting there picking up shit drops in inferno after dying repeatedly.  This is decidedly missing the loot tables that D2 had to keep you going. I haven't seen one orange, or  set piece yet after hours of throwing myself at inferno. Not just shit I can use, decent loot period. I'm not done yet, but everything else people have listed here is gently pushing me towards the door. Mebbe I go fire up D2 again.

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Reply #52 on: June 24, 2012, 09:48:22 AM

Mebbe I go fire up D2 again.

If vanilla D2 is too boring/played for you, you could always try the Median XL mod. Breaths a big breath of new life into the game.
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Reply #53 on: June 24, 2012, 09:50:28 AM

Mebbe I go fire up D2 again.

I was thinking about doing this myself.
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Reply #54 on: June 24, 2012, 10:40:05 AM

I think I said this a month ago in another thread, but I finished the basic campaign in 9 days. It was ludicrously easy. The thought of repeating it was just not very appealing. Exploration and bosses were the only real thing in the game. The loot is just gold farming for the AH and I think that really hurt replayability. I ended up buying Skyrim--same price and talk about night and day in terms of content for the same price.

Put me in the sorry I bought D3 category. Poor game. Worse value.

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Reply #55 on: June 24, 2012, 11:01:58 AM

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Reply #56 on: June 24, 2012, 11:05:01 AM

I have played through it once and had a decent time.  Haven't really hit it up much more since my graphics card apparently hates this game despite running everything else just fine and having the latest drivers.  Since there's no monthly subscription it isn't like I feel cheated, I'll probably come back to play it more when Blizzard stops sucking with their "less fun, more rawr" decisions (just like they did in Diablo II).  This is exactly how DII went for me so nothing new.
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Reply #57 on: June 24, 2012, 01:34:45 PM

I have a hardcore monk at level 50, a hardcore wd at 55, a hardcore barb at 45 and various other softcore characters.  I have probably put in well over 100 hours into the game.   I have not had a single set or unique item drop for me, ever.   When I played D2, I could expect 1 or 2 of these a gaming session (this is without mf gear btw).  The funny thing is even if a unique dropped it would most likely be terrible because practically every worthwhile piece of equipment needs:

primary stat
vitality
res all

With some variation for weapons and helms.

So not only does crap equipment drop constantly, but they tuned later difficulties so that you NEED a certain combination of affixes that are incredibly rare.  It's literally imp[ossible to farm for those items so your only option is to turn into a gold farmer to earn enough cash to buy those items.  Ugh.  It's just become zero fun.
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Reply #58 on: June 25, 2012, 02:58:09 AM

I'll elaborate on my earlier post in this thread a bit more.

I've got one of every class at 60, two of them geared up enough to clear Inferno Act I. I've done a couple of complete Act I clears and the result of that is that I have just over 5m gold. I don't have good enough gear to get more than about 1/3rd of the way through Act II. The increase in repair costs makes trying pointless anyway, I die too often.

Currently I can't upgrade my gear for 5m gold. I can barely upgrade a single piece of gear for that amount. I shall log on occasionally and browse the GAH for a while and see if that changes. If the GAH becomes sensible enough that I can gear up enough to actually progress for 5m gold then I'll consider it worth a go for a while. Until then, no.

I refuse to use the RMAH. I don't really enjoy playing HC - some people may find it exciting, that's cool, I find it stressful, which really isn't what I play games for!  why so serious?

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Reply #59 on: June 25, 2012, 09:08:06 AM

1 - I prefer the Barbarian play style by far.  I put a lot of effort and time and gold into gearing my Barbarian into great gear.  900+ All Resist, 50k hp, 12k dps, etc...  I can't beat Act 2 with him.  I re-rolled a DH, got her to 60 and with mostly crappy blues I can progress faster and farther than my Barbarian can.  This is a well known issue that wasn't really addressed in 1.03.  I have no reason to play my favorite class because the ranged classes are just better.

2 - The AH.  The entire purpose of Diablo is to play to get better loot so you can kill bigger stuff faster to get even better loot.  I can get the best loot the fastest by just using the AH.  Why would I play the game itself for gear when I'm up almost $200 on the RMAH and have made at least 50m on the gold AH through re-listing items?

Have logged in maybe once or twice in the last week, think I'm mostly done.  Heartbreak  My sister who was almost obsessively excited for D3 has quit playing as well.  I don't think it's a bad game, I easily got my $60 worth for the hours put in.  (and the fact I made profit playing) But for me it's not the amazing, super-additive, play for months game I was hoping for.

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Reply #60 on: June 25, 2012, 09:33:21 AM

Grinding gold to buy upgrades just isn't as fun as finding things. It's summer, I have plenty of other things to keep me interested, and plenty of work to do. D3 just isn't all that compelling. I got my moneys worth, and I'll probably drop in now and then, but trying to progress is over for now.

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Reply #61 on: June 25, 2012, 11:24:48 PM

I completed normal with my DH, and am working on completing normal with one of every class, while working my DH as far as I can go. I'd like to beat Inferno and make this the first Diablo that I beat the hardest difficutly, but I have slowed down tremendously. I'm playing a lot of Phantasy Star 2 right now instead.  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?



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Reply #62 on: June 26, 2012, 09:01:04 AM

1 - I prefer the Barbarian play style by far.  I put a lot of effort and time and gold into gearing my Barbarian into great gear.  900+ All Resist, 50k hp, 12k dps, etc...  I can't beat Act 2 with him.  I re-rolled a DH, got her to 60 and with mostly crappy blues I can progress faster and farther than my Barbarian can.  This is a well known issue that wasn't really addressed in 1.03.  I have no reason to play my favorite class because the ranged classes are just better.

This is because melee classes are more gear-dependent, but like gear-dependent classes in other games they do get rewarded as the quality of their items gets higher.  My monk now dies much less often than the DH I play with in Act 3 Inferno (I do still kill stuff slower.) Eventually they're going to have to nerf monks and barbs because they're going to outshine ranged so much once they get good gear.  When that happens it'll be even harder to gear up new melee.
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Reply #63 on: June 26, 2012, 11:26:05 AM

Yeah, I'm done.

The game was great fun with my Barbarian up until Inferno, despite the boring itemization and lack of honestly viable builds past a certain point.

Then Inferno beat the shit out of my Barb. I rolled a Demon Hunter and did considerably better, but it was still ball-punching to farm for a small tiny chance at good loot on Inferno.

Then 1.03 came and just nerfed the crap out of all the drops across the board, and made it just an inventory full of junk, and I realized that I would never make enough capital to trade with the big boys, and I just quit. The DH nerfs didn't help, and the fact that my Barbarian still could then just barely do Act 2 and wipe a lot on shitty packs.

I have friends who got on top of the gear curve and were sitting on top of lots of gear. They've made thousands of dollars off of the RMAH, and now they basically don't even play anymore past 1.03, because it's not worth their time. They play the auction house/trading game to make money, that's it.

EDIT: http://beta.xfire.com/games/d3

That graph.

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Reply #64 on: June 26, 2012, 01:32:16 PM

That graph wouldn't surprise me at all if it were accurate and true.

It pretty much sums up how I felt and I suspect shows just how far they missed the mark.

Ouch.


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Reply #65 on: June 26, 2012, 02:35:10 PM

That graph wouldn't surprise me at all if it were accurate and true.

It pretty much sums up how I felt and I suspect shows just how far they missed the mark.

Ouch.

Like surveys, I think the sample size on Xfire helps give a picture of the average at least. Just scale the graph for the x million that d3 sold and it's probably pretty damn accurate actually.
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Reply #66 on: June 26, 2012, 03:13:22 PM

I don't believe the sample size on Xfire would be random enough to draw any conclusions other than play has decreased.

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Reply #67 on: June 26, 2012, 03:14:12 PM

In fairness Diablo is primarily a single player game so most people buy it, kill Diablo in normal, putter around and stop playing.  The graph is probably similar to most games after a month.
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Reply #68 on: June 26, 2012, 07:21:47 PM

I don't believe the sample size on Xfire would be random enough to draw any conclusions other than play has decreased.

I think people dumb enough to run xfire is a pretty large sample size.
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Reply #69 on: June 26, 2012, 07:42:45 PM

In fairness Diablo is primarily a single player game so most people buy it, kill Diablo in normal, putter around and stop playing.  The graph is probably similar to most games after a month.
Ya probably exactly right. I guess it's just people's expectations that Blizzard will deliver a long term experience that is making this seem like a disaster.

Meanwhile I have gone back to Sacred 2 which IMO got a bum rap and is still one of the best ARPG's out there. Shame the demo gave people the impression the game auto-leveled with you. Though really, what's wrong with auto-leveling in an ARPG? D2 and D3 don't even show the mobs levels so they could easily level the mobs with you and no one would know the difference. Unless you love mowing down weaker mobs.

I think the taint Oblivion gave auto-leveling is undeserved and really a misunderstanding of what caused the problem in Oblivion in the first place. It wasn't that the mobs auto-levelled with you it was the levelling system and loot system that caused all the hate.

Besides, anyone who says Sacred 2 autolevels didn't try exploring much as trying to go to the desert area at a low level you quickly met insta-kill L20 mobs.





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