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Reply #140 on: May 31, 2012, 08:03:12 AM

Um, that's a good weapon for 60 as well - over a 1000 dps is a good number for Act1 inferno.

And I think the absolute best weapons for 1/3 of the game being items that can only drop in inferno difficulty is a bit broken surely? I don't mind the best gear being hard to find and very rare, but when it's not actually capable of dropping for another 18 levels I think that's a bad thing for the games itemisation.

Yeah, reduced level requirement makes things even more broken to the AH.

I just wonder how soon I should break out all the gold find gear I can get.
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Reply #141 on: May 31, 2012, 09:01:18 AM

I got me a -18 weapon for when i hit 42, that was the lowest the AH would find results.

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Reply #142 on: May 31, 2012, 10:17:53 AM

 ACK!  How much was it?

I scored a simple lvl 40 reduced 6 lvl 1h for 5k and have tripled my dmg.  I'm using a vanilla HC splinters build on my WD with it and I'm starting to 1-shot on NM.  Good times.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2012, 10:20:51 AM by Ghambit »

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Reply #143 on: June 01, 2012, 07:27:08 AM

Sort of PSA for AH usage:

"Error 32105" when listing an item means it's damaged, despite showing full durability. I had repeated issues trying to sell a chest armor, upon bringing it to the vendor it showed me a repair bill of 1 (one) gold. After that it worked like a charm.
« Last Edit: June 01, 2012, 07:28:40 AM by calapine »

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Reply #144 on: June 01, 2012, 07:52:36 AM

ACK!  How much was it?

I scored a simple lvl 40 reduced 6 lvl 1h for 5k and have tripled my dmg.  I'm using a vanilla HC splinters build on my WD with it and I'm starting to 1-shot on NM.  Good times.

100k lol.  There is a 900+ dps lvl 42 ONE hander up for sale atm, -18 lvl requirement +shit tons of extra dmg and +49% dmg on it.  That one is 23 mill though.

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Reply #145 on: June 03, 2012, 06:19:02 AM

If you're willing to part with your class's "recommended stats" (like mana regen for WD) you can usually find sick DPS-gear for dirt cheap.

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Reply #146 on: June 03, 2012, 07:14:52 AM

I have an AH question:

Can people who have the different classes compile a list of what those classes look for on the AH?

For example, as a Barb I'm looking for All Resist, Strength, Vitality, and Armor.

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Reply #147 on: June 03, 2012, 09:54:25 AM

Wizard    All ResistanceIntelligenceVitalityCrit ChanceAttack Speed
Barbarian    All ResistanceStrengthVitalityArmor
Monk Resistance "X"DexterityVitalityArmor
Demon Hunter    All ResistanceDexterityVitalityAttack SpeedCrit Chance
Witch Doctor    Weapon DamageIntelligenceAttack SpeedCrit ChanceCrit Damage

Secondary stats are cursive

Will update when other classes tell their preference.
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Reply #148 on: June 03, 2012, 01:21:04 PM

Prior to Inferno just stack your main DPS stat and Vit + whatever you think is fun. It does not matter. Everything below assumes lvl60 inferno gear.

Monk: Dex, Vit, Resist All, Resist X, Armor, Wildcard.
DH: Dex, Crit, Crit Damage, Attack Speed + Later: Vit, Resist All.
Wiz: Int, Crit, Crit Damage, Attack Speed. + Later Resist All and Vit.
(I might be incorrect on the attack speed for wizards. I do not main one and have not read up on where things ended up on the whole attack speed normalization for spell damage.)

Monks Specifically:
Resist X being whichever resist stat (cold, fire, etc) you picked for One With Everything.
Armor is my personal thing, it might be outclassed by some other stat, ignore if you like.
Wildcard is generally the stat you only get in that slot, like move speed on boots, crit on bracers, attack speed on gloves, the helm socket, or the class specific stats, like Life per Spirit Spent on spirit stone helms.
Wildcard can also be a stat you like stacking. For melee classes life on hit is quite powerful for example (mainly because life-steal/damage converted into life does not work in inferno).

Ranged classes:
Newer (read: poorer) players generally skip everything but DPS stats and simply plan to not get hit or die. Once they become rich they can afford to dip into not dying in one hit stats.

For jewelry the desired stats are usually the same, with a few qualifications. Firstly, hard to get % based DPS stats like attack speed, crit damage and crit are prized. This is especially true for rings. Amulets on the other hand can have 200+ of each base stat, so people generally look for a good chunk of dex/str/int + vit on their amulet in addition to other stats.
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Reply #149 on: June 03, 2012, 01:25:53 PM

As a DH pretty much what Rag said except I prefer Att Speed over the crit stats.
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Reply #150 on: June 04, 2012, 07:37:33 AM

Witch doctor: Weapon damage, int, attack speed, crit% and dmg. Movement on boots is important for kiting.

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Just hit Inferno on my WD. Using a zombie bear build. The amount of damage it does fast is ridiculous.
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Reply #151 on: June 04, 2012, 09:47:17 AM

I've seen some great deals on %dmg gear.  Seems like the least well-known stat.  Anyone have any experience with it?

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Reply #152 on: June 04, 2012, 09:53:33 AM

Would need more info on the item as to why it's a great deal. Though, my best guess is you found some %dmg gear but it was on a low dps weapon (the weapon dps I believe has the increased damage already calculated into it afaik) so it's not so much a great deal as it is a low dps weapon which goes for cheap.

If you're seeing increased crit dmg %, I'd guess poor stat allocation to other stats? Though, again, more info needed there.
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Reply #153 on: June 04, 2012, 10:25:13 AM

I thought the stat was %dmg on every hit.  So how does it adequately calc. it into the tooltip deeps when I havent actually hit anything?  Same deal with +dmg x-y.  Havent hit yet, so what exactly is the dps tooltip telling me? 

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Reply #154 on: June 04, 2012, 10:36:44 AM

The only things that are on every hit are things such as +life on hit and % of dmg converted to life, but those don't effect weapon dps.

+dmg%, +<element of choice> damage, etc are all factored into the weapon's dps total.

So a weapon that shows like:
500 dps
+1-2 fire damage
+25% damage

Would basically be a 400dps (slightly lower, which is why I used such small fire damage numbers since I don't feel like doing math today, and believe if it was something like +200-400 fir damage it would take the median number to calculate by the weapon speed) but is increased by 25% to be a 500 dps weapon. I believe attack speed is part of the dps as well, that one I'm not so sure of.

This is all just afaik and what I've noticed, and what I've read on some other sites, nothing official and I may be off but am fairly positive this is how it works
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Reply #155 on: June 04, 2012, 10:37:34 AM

I believe attack speed is part of the dps as well, that one I'm not so sure of.

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Reply #156 on: June 04, 2012, 10:40:28 AM

DPS = Average damage / Attack speed.    So if your weapon is 1-100 damage (aka damage variance) with a 1s attack speed you'll be doing 51dps.  It's easy to add the modifiers, gems and % to the damage variance, find the new average and divide by the attack speed (which is also modified by any "x% increase in attack speed" stats)

So the raw dps is all you ever need to look at on a weapon.  This is why I prefer to see socketed weapons already with gems on them, you don't have to do the calc yourself.

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Reply #157 on: June 04, 2012, 10:58:54 AM

I am almost certain that the AH dps display does NOT include gem effects.

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Reply #158 on: June 04, 2012, 11:12:33 AM

I don't think they do either. I thought all that a weapon with a gem socketed in it does is put the socketed weapon higher on the search results than a weapon that would otherwise be more dps if it also had a gem socketed.
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Reply #159 on: June 04, 2012, 11:15:57 AM

I am almost certain that the AH dps display does NOT include gem effects.

AH search includes gems (if you say 60 dex, it will show you a 30dex +30dex gem item), but the DPS on the sortable listing doesn't care about gems that I've seen.

What I'd love is a comparison of actual change since it already wants to know what character it's for.
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Reply #160 on: June 04, 2012, 12:51:47 PM

I am almost certain that the AH dps display does NOT include gem effects.

On weapons, I can confirm. Actually, all you have to do is get in game, look at your socketed weapon and see what the dps number is. Exit your character ( swamp poop ) and get into the AH and mouse-over a weapon and your weapon comparison window will show a lower dps amount. It also goes that if you sort by dps and scan down a screen of all say 400 dps and smack in the middle is some 386 dps, you can instantly assume it has a gem in it.

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Reply #161 on: June 04, 2012, 01:25:49 PM

I find it amusing that this thread gets so much play.

 why so serious?

See ?

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Reply #162 on: June 04, 2012, 02:20:46 PM

I find it amusing that this thread gets so much play.

 why so serious?

See ?

Amused.


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Reply #163 on: June 08, 2012, 02:36:28 AM

--- Use the AH at your own risk! ---

Apperently turning the commodity autions back on killed the hamsters. AH has terrible lag or even refuses to work at all "Due to high traffic your bid couldn't be processed. Try later" (quoting from memory).

And even worse a not working bid ate 250,000 gold of mine about 30 minutes ago and so far refused to spit it back out. As I only possessed about 370k I have a pretty big sad now instead.  Heartbreak Heartbreak
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Reply #164 on: June 08, 2012, 05:56:51 AM

I was just coming to post something similar.

Almost the instant they re-enabled commodity auctions the EU AH shat itself and hasn't worked properly since. Can't post auctions, can't send completed stuff to stash, can't buy anything.

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Reply #165 on: June 08, 2012, 06:40:22 AM

The AH ate a bid of mine once and didn't give me the item.  It showed up once I bought something else though, try buying something for 100g.
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Reply #166 on: June 08, 2012, 06:42:52 AM

Pile of monkey wank.

HEY! Watch it.

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Reply #167 on: June 08, 2012, 07:13:46 AM

The auction house commodity bugs are still occurring.

Shitty shitty shitty design.

I wonder if the works are getting clogged up because of ah bots.
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Reply #168 on: June 08, 2012, 07:21:15 AM

Huge lag on the AH this morning... I tried dumping my coin I got from some sales over night into my wallet - Send to Stash greyed out and hung. Had to exit completely and relog to clear it. Luckily, it dumped the money to me instead of off into the nether.

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Reply #169 on: June 08, 2012, 07:24:44 AM

The auction house commodity bugs are still occurring.

Shitty shitty shitty design.

I wonder if the works are getting clogged up because of ah bots.

My guess is that the works are getting clogged up by people like myself who are trying to unload an entire stashes worth of gems we couldn't sell over the last 3 weeks.

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Reply #170 on: June 08, 2012, 07:37:53 AM

Why unload them on auction? Create a mule, put them on the mule, and keep them until 1.0.3 when crafting costs go so far down you'll be able to make them into usable gems for a fraction of what it currently costs.
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Reply #171 on: June 08, 2012, 07:47:47 AM

Oh I'm not selling them. I'm just saying I have a shitton of gems like everybody else.

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Reply #172 on: June 08, 2012, 10:01:25 AM

Pile of monkey wank.

HEY! Watch it.

Lol  awesome, for real

Why unload them on auction? Create a mule, put them on the mule, and keep them until 1.0.3 when crafting costs go so far down you'll be able to make them into usable gems for a fraction of what it currently costs.

I have to admit that I am feeling aggrieved that I still have to create mules. It was one of the things that I was very pleased was supposedly gone with the shared stash. If only it wasn't so stupidly small!

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Reply #173 on: June 10, 2012, 12:46:00 PM

Can I borrow 3 to 5 million gold please?  I have found some -18 level required level weapons, and would make my barbarian rock!  It would take me from 72 damage up to 720 damage if I can scrape up 5,000,000.

Is the best way to make gold doing act 1 runs where the crypts are and bashing all the jars, while having extra gold items?  I'm only in nightmare, but I could figure out how to do that...(the tabs aren't there like on diablo 2 on the way points).
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Reply #174 on: June 10, 2012, 12:48:41 PM

You have to use the Change Quest button on the character select screen now to change Acts. I think I remember reading about a change to how much gold drops from ash urns, may have been hotfixed.

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