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statisticalfool
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on: May 17, 2012, 09:14:34 AM

I kind of wish I could sell all the upgrades I put into my smithy.

The market is so absolutely flooded with stuff, and people have no idea how to price, that there seems to be absolutely no reason to craft.

For my level 24 DH, I did a search for "lvl 22-24 bow with >50 Dex, >30 Vit, and % dmg leech, under 3000 buyout" and came out with pages of stuff.
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Reply #1 on: May 17, 2012, 09:41:31 AM

Yeah I've been messing with crafting, then I took a peak at the AH before I went to bed.  I will be spending some money (not real money) tonight!
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Reply #2 on: May 17, 2012, 09:43:38 AM

The auction house is ridiculous right now. I'm just buying criminally underpriced shit and putting it in my stash.
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Reply #3 on: May 17, 2012, 09:49:02 AM

When does money start rolling in?  I have about 20k at level 16 and I upgraded my smith a lot.  I need to get a bigger stash.
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Reply #4 on: May 17, 2012, 10:06:08 AM

Seriously. I upgraded my smith to where it needs pages and wish I hadn't.

Use the AH, people.

Stuff is criminally underpriced, just search for 5k buyout plus your primary stat and go crazy.
« Last Edit: May 17, 2012, 10:18:54 AM by bhodi »
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Reply #5 on: May 17, 2012, 10:16:24 AM

When does money start rolling in?  I have about 20k at level 16 and I upgraded my smith a lot.  I need to get a bigger stash.
I'm like level 17 or something on my Demon Hunter, I'm now at 70%+ Magic Find. I can confidently say money is pretty goddamn stable now (as in, I'm getting nonstop blue gear I'm just vendoring).
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Reply #6 on: May 17, 2012, 10:22:40 AM

Yeah,  pile-on magic find and vendor the blue gear and you win.  For really easy money just start running through lower acts (after SK, though) and blow shit up on your way-too-overpowered toon.

I wish I hadn't upgraded the smith, either, but I'm a completionist bastard and there's achieves I'm missing!  'CHEEVES, MAN!

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Reply #7 on: May 17, 2012, 10:26:05 AM

When does money start rolling in?  I have about 20k at level 16 and I upgraded my smith a lot.  I need to get a bigger stash.
I'm like level 17 or something on my Demon Hunter, I'm now at 70%+ Magic Find. I can confidently say money is pretty goddamn stable now (as in, I'm getting nonstop blue gear I'm just vendoring).

Shit that's a lot of MF.  I'm only sitting at like 30% right now.
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Reply #8 on: May 17, 2012, 10:27:40 AM

Yeah,  pile-on magic find and vendor the blue gear and you win.  For really easy money just start running through lower acts (after SK, though) and blow shit up on your way-too-overpowered toon.

I wish I hadn't upgraded the smith, either, but I'm a completionist bastard and there's achieves I'm missing!  'CHEEVES, MAN!

Yeah, I was going to do it then I saw stuff like "Level two demon hunters to 60."  WHY TWO?


Seriously guys. Weapons on the AH, sorted by DPS. This is crazy. I've outfitted my character to start out on nightmare for like 20k in gold and he's at least twice as strong.

Gem prices are out of control though. chipped rubies are going for for 700. Flawless? 7k.
« Last Edit: May 17, 2012, 10:31:24 AM by bhodi »
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Reply #9 on: May 17, 2012, 10:28:21 AM

Dual wield Demon Hunters.

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Reply #10 on: May 17, 2012, 10:40:16 AM

Level 18. Have now maxed out my magic find. 96%.

Feels good.
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Reply #11 on: May 17, 2012, 10:44:58 AM

For those wondering, the gear I picked up is just fine for my level, I'm having zero survival issues and all told I spent less than 12,000 gold.
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Reply #12 on: May 17, 2012, 10:49:43 AM

I was never able to find anything higher that +6% MF last night.  What kind of gear are you getting?
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Reply #13 on: May 17, 2012, 10:50:04 AM

Yeah,  pile-on magic find and vendor the blue gear and you win.  For really easy money just start running through lower acts (after SK, though) and blow shit up on your way-too-overpowered toon.

I wish I hadn't upgraded the smith, either, but I'm a completionist bastard and there's achieves I'm missing!  'CHEEVES, MAN!

Yeah, I was going to do it then I saw stuff like "Level two demon hunters to 60."  WHY TWO?


Seriously guys. Weapons on the AH, sorted by DPS. This is crazy. I've outfitted my character to start out on nightmare for like 20k in gold and he's at least twice as strong.

Gem prices are out of control though. chipped rubies are going for for 700. Flawless? 7k.


This is because gems are out of control: I added about 25% DPS by buying a 3k ruby on the AH: +8-16 dmg.

Seriously, don't buy non-socketed weapons.
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Reply #14 on: May 17, 2012, 10:57:07 AM

I was never able to find anything higher that +6% MF last night.  What kind of gear are you getting?

+8 for every slot except weapon. Off-hand can have Magic Find.
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Reply #15 on: May 17, 2012, 11:32:00 AM

In light of Followers contributing to Magic Find and me finding out at level 18 amulets can have 12% Magic Find, I am now well over 100%. I would imagine this is probably a conversion to like 10+% chance to get a Magic item.
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Reply #16 on: May 17, 2012, 11:57:56 AM

So glad this game was in development and testing for so long  Ohhhhh, I see.

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Reply #17 on: May 17, 2012, 12:02:11 PM

Well, to be fair, I'm sure it's working right. All we see is a base % for Magic Find. If Magic Find starts at 1 and I have a 100% increase, I've brought it up to 2.

The problem is that we're not seeing a % chance, but a % increase to change. Meh.
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Reply #18 on: May 17, 2012, 12:06:08 PM

Hey, rock on with what you got.  I'm just saying that I foresee them 'balancing' the amount of magic find stuff you can get, or changing how it works in the very near future.  If they expect to make a profit off of the AH, making magic items drop from every single goddamn thing you kill is not going to help them. 

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Reply #19 on: May 17, 2012, 12:06:51 PM

Seriously. I upgraded my smith to where it needs pages and wish I hadn't.

Use the AH, people.

Stuff is criminally underpriced, just search for 5k buyout plus your primary stat and go crazy.

I am not playing D3 yet, but as a single player game connected to every other player, item availability is virtually infinite so why would prices rise?  Especially on stuff that isn't for max level players.

I have never played WoW.
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Reply #20 on: May 17, 2012, 12:08:48 PM

Well, you only have 10 AH slots and auctions end after 2 days.

I expect over time as the number of active players level out and the playerbase that sticks around moves on to higher level gameplay the economy will shift.
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Reply #21 on: May 17, 2012, 12:09:28 PM

How do you guys feel about upgrading the Jewelcrafter?


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Reply #22 on: May 17, 2012, 12:13:49 PM

You need to. He's cheap, too, at least in normal. Upgrade on an as-needed, when you have the 3 lesser gems to fuse. You NEED a ruby-socketed weapon in normal.

So I made this guide. It's for monks, but replace +dex with +yourstat and it's still pretty accurate. We need an AH thread and if there isn't one soon I'll just create it when i have more time.
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A buying guide for monks:

Normal mode gear can be had on the AH for criminally good prices right now. Here are some tips.

In general, search for 10 levels below and 5 levels above you.
Dex is your primary stat! Most stuff should have dex on it!
Vit is your secondary stat! You can't ignore this after level 25 or so!
Pretend nothing else is on your gear except dex/vit/weapon speed/+damage!

Weapon:
A good fast ruby-sockted 1h weapon is the best thing you can do for your character!
Optimal for normal,low nightmare is 1h 1.4+ speed +shield with a socketed weapon. Spend the money on 1 awesome weapon rather than split your funds and gems for two.

A Flawless ruby will double your fist DPS in normal mode. Look at buying one on the AH for ~7k if you have to.

Search on the AH for 1h socketed weapons with dex or dex/vit, sort by DPS. Search for all, don't limit yourself to rares. Attack speed, extra damage, whatever is all factored into the DPS number so the only thing you care about is dex.

Armor:
Cheap helm/pants/shoulders/belt can be found at the crafting levels for each. Tons of people are wasting mats trying to get THEIR armor and are casting the dross onto the AH, frequently for stupidly low buyouts! Their wasted mats are YOUR Gain! Know these levels because the AH is STUFFED with them.

Search for them specifically, because only suckers waste mats trying to craft their perfect piece of gear, and suckers often have criminally low buyouts.

Helm: 17
Pants: 25
Belt: 26
Shoulders: 29

Armor sockets are OK if you have flawless+ to put in them. Otherwise, don't search for them. Don't buy socketed gear and then buy gems to put in them, just buy the gear instead, you're going to get better stats.

Non-Helm Armor: Search for dex and vitality
Helm/Spirit Stone: Spirit regen/Health per Sprit is absurdly good. Get either/both depending on your taste. These are Helm+Weapon only buffs. Sockets are good, too.
Amulet/Rings: You probably want +x-X Damage, attack speed, crit, in that order.
Move speed is generally worthwhile on your shoes.

I don't know shit about how much magic find helps/hurts so i have no info about creating a set of that, sorry.
« Last Edit: May 17, 2012, 12:16:07 PM by bhodi »
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Reply #23 on: May 17, 2012, 12:34:39 PM

Wow, I did a search for my level 24 barbarian for Strength/Magic Find, < 4000, slot by slot, and actually replaced every single item I'm wearing except rings/amulets/weapon/shield.  Strength increased by like 150 and Magic Find is now 75% to finance further hijinx in this area.  Made the end of Act II about 5x easier, too, with that extra +150% to damage from all the Str.  Hooray for the AH!



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Reply #24 on: May 17, 2012, 12:38:07 PM

I dunno...it just feels like cheating to me.  It seems legit because dumbass people are posting stuff at fleamarket prices, but hell, why not just punch in a cheat code or something for the same effect?

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Reply #25 on: May 17, 2012, 01:01:59 PM

MF is the greatest invention ever.

Earlier a group of us f13'rs were running in Act 2- I filled my bags at least 3 times before they ever mentioned the need to go to town.  :)

Another 20k+! 

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Reply #26 on: May 17, 2012, 01:08:59 PM

Hey, rock on with what you got.  I'm just saying that I foresee them 'balancing' the amount of magic find stuff you can get, or changing how it works in the very near future.  If they expect to make a profit off of the AH, making magic items drop from every single goddamn thing you kill is not going to help them. 

You do realize that D2 worked the same way? You could stack enormous amounts of magic find. Working as intended.

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Reply #27 on: May 17, 2012, 01:22:36 PM

Hey, rock on with what you got.  I'm just saying that I foresee them 'balancing' the amount of magic find stuff you can get, or changing how it works in the very near future.  If they expect to make a profit off of the AH, making magic items drop from every single goddamn thing you kill is not going to help them. 

You do realize that D2 worked the same way? You could stack enormous amounts of magic find. Working as intended.

D2 didn't have a built-in store where the tenants selling shit had double-digit IQs.  It had Asian farmers who knew EXACTLY just how much shit should be sold for  why so serious?

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Reply #28 on: May 17, 2012, 01:24:34 PM

The entire dropped magic items vs AH thing seems a bit ... meh. No matter how awesome the magic items I find in-game seem to be, it looks like I can get a better one on the AH for a pitiful amount of gold.

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Reply #29 on: May 17, 2012, 01:25:45 PM

The entire dropped magic items vs AH thing seems a bit ... meh. No matter how awesome the magic items I find in-game seem to be, it looks like I can get a better one on the AH for a pitiful amount of gold.
This is a byproduct of where the economy is at right now. I have a feeling this is going to radically change as Blizzard both patches in more shit, adjusts the numbers based on a sample size of 10 million people looting corpses (.001% chance for something to drop is too high with this many people hacking at shit).

It'll get there.
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Reply #30 on: May 17, 2012, 01:35:15 PM

1-59 items aren't even going to exist for most people in a few months.

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Reply #31 on: May 17, 2012, 03:23:14 PM

Yeah, both less people doing the early levels, and huge amounts of inflation to come. Once you have a few million coins, the yes, you'll have to pay a lot for low-level rares.
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Reply #32 on: May 17, 2012, 03:35:46 PM

It won't matter THAT much because in a few months you'll be able to put your Star Ruby in any trash rare and one-hit-kill your way through the first 20 levels of the game.
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Reply #33 on: May 17, 2012, 03:44:12 PM

Yeah, I was going to do it then I saw stuff like "Level two demon hunters to 60."  WHY TWO?

I actually like the DH enough that I just might do that.

I've upgraded my smith a fair bit AND maxed my stash, I was getting a shitton of money in multiplayer. I will probably just start using the AH now, though, since prices are all over the place. Might as well, rite?

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Reply #34 on: May 17, 2012, 03:55:47 PM

Just spent ~30k on the AH and kitted my lvl 26 wizard out with all Int, MF, Vit gear. Well, mostly, few slots weren't easy to fill without spending silly money so I'll try and plug the gaps tomorrow. I think the EU AH is less underpriced than the US one, although I did get a couple of awesome items for under 3k.

What a difference. I was struggling at the start of Act III before, now I'm melting faces and wading into huge packs of whatever without breaking a sweat, plus I have 61% magic find.

Thank you all very much for the suggestion!  Heart

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