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Title: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: statisticalfool on May 17, 2012, 09:14:34 AM
I kind of wish I could sell all the upgrades I put into my smithy.

The market is so absolutely flooded with stuff, and people have no idea how to price, that there seems to be absolutely no reason to craft.

For my level 24 DH, I did a search for "lvl 22-24 bow with >50 Dex, >30 Vit, and % dmg leech, under 3000 buyout" and came out with pages of stuff.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Draegan on May 17, 2012, 09:41:31 AM
Yeah I've been messing with crafting, then I took a peak at the AH before I went to bed.  I will be spending some money (not real money) tonight!


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: schild on May 17, 2012, 09:43:38 AM
The auction house is ridiculous right now. I'm just buying criminally underpriced shit and putting it in my stash.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Draegan on May 17, 2012, 09:49:02 AM
When does money start rolling in?  I have about 20k at level 16 and I upgraded my smith a lot.  I need to get a bigger stash.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: bhodi on May 17, 2012, 10:06:08 AM
Seriously. I upgraded my smith to where it needs pages and wish I hadn't.

Use the AH, people.

Stuff is criminally underpriced, just search for 5k buyout plus your primary stat and go crazy.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: schild on May 17, 2012, 10:16:24 AM
When does money start rolling in?  I have about 20k at level 16 and I upgraded my smith a lot.  I need to get a bigger stash.
I'm like level 17 or something on my Demon Hunter, I'm now at 70%+ Magic Find. I can confidently say money is pretty goddamn stable now (as in, I'm getting nonstop blue gear I'm just vendoring).


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Merusk on May 17, 2012, 10:22:40 AM
Yeah,  pile-on magic find and vendor the blue gear and you win.  For really easy money just start running through lower acts (after SK, though) and blow shit up on your way-too-overpowered toon.

I wish I hadn't upgraded the smith, either, but I'm a completionist bastard and there's achieves I'm missing!  'CHEEVES, MAN!


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Draegan on May 17, 2012, 10:26:05 AM
When does money start rolling in?  I have about 20k at level 16 and I upgraded my smith a lot.  I need to get a bigger stash.
I'm like level 17 or something on my Demon Hunter, I'm now at 70%+ Magic Find. I can confidently say money is pretty goddamn stable now (as in, I'm getting nonstop blue gear I'm just vendoring).

Shit that's a lot of MF.  I'm only sitting at like 30% right now.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: bhodi on May 17, 2012, 10:27:40 AM
Yeah,  pile-on magic find and vendor the blue gear and you win.  For really easy money just start running through lower acts (after SK, though) and blow shit up on your way-too-overpowered toon.

I wish I hadn't upgraded the smith, either, but I'm a completionist bastard and there's achieves I'm missing!  'CHEEVES, MAN!

Yeah, I was going to do it then I saw stuff like "Level two demon hunters to 60."  WHY TWO?


Seriously guys. Weapons on the AH, sorted by DPS. This is crazy. I've outfitted my character to start out on nightmare for like 20k in gold and he's at least twice as strong.

Gem prices are out of control though. chipped rubies are going for for 700. Flawless? 7k.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Merusk on May 17, 2012, 10:28:21 AM
Dual wield Demon Hunters.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: schild on May 17, 2012, 10:40:16 AM
Level 18. Have now maxed out my magic find. 96%.

Feels good.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: schild on May 17, 2012, 10:44:58 AM
For those wondering, the gear I picked up is just fine for my level, I'm having zero survival issues and all told I spent less than 12,000 gold.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Draegan on May 17, 2012, 10:49:43 AM
I was never able to find anything higher that +6% MF last night.  What kind of gear are you getting?


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: statisticalfool on May 17, 2012, 10:50:04 AM
Yeah,  pile-on magic find and vendor the blue gear and you win.  For really easy money just start running through lower acts (after SK, though) and blow shit up on your way-too-overpowered toon.

I wish I hadn't upgraded the smith, either, but I'm a completionist bastard and there's achieves I'm missing!  'CHEEVES, MAN!

Yeah, I was going to do it then I saw stuff like "Level two demon hunters to 60."  WHY TWO?


Seriously guys. Weapons on the AH, sorted by DPS. This is crazy. I've outfitted my character to start out on nightmare for like 20k in gold and he's at least twice as strong.

Gem prices are out of control though. chipped rubies are going for for 700. Flawless? 7k.


This is because gems are out of control: I added about 25% DPS by buying a 3k ruby on the AH: +8-16 dmg.

Seriously, don't buy non-socketed weapons.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: schild on May 17, 2012, 10:57:07 AM
I was never able to find anything higher that +6% MF last night.  What kind of gear are you getting?

+8 for every slot except weapon. Off-hand can have Magic Find.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: schild on May 17, 2012, 11:32:00 AM
In light of Followers contributing to Magic Find and me finding out at level 18 amulets can have 12% Magic Find, I am now well over 100%. I would imagine this is probably a conversion to like 10+% chance to get a Magic item.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: luckton on May 17, 2012, 11:57:56 AM
So glad this game was in development and testing for so long  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: schild on May 17, 2012, 12:02:11 PM
Well, to be fair, I'm sure it's working right. All we see is a base % for Magic Find. If Magic Find starts at 1 and I have a 100% increase, I've brought it up to 2.

The problem is that we're not seeing a % chance, but a % increase to change. Meh.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: luckton on May 17, 2012, 12:06:08 PM
Hey, rock on with what you got.  I'm just saying that I foresee them 'balancing' the amount of magic find stuff you can get, or changing how it works in the very near future.  If they expect to make a profit off of the AH, making magic items drop from every single goddamn thing you kill is not going to help them. 


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: shiznitz on May 17, 2012, 12:06:51 PM
Seriously. I upgraded my smith to where it needs pages and wish I hadn't.

Use the AH, people.

Stuff is criminally underpriced, just search for 5k buyout plus your primary stat and go crazy.

I am not playing D3 yet, but as a single player game connected to every other player, item availability is virtually infinite so why would prices rise?  Especially on stuff that isn't for max level players.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Quinton on May 17, 2012, 12:08:48 PM
Well, you only have 10 AH slots and auctions end after 2 days.

I expect over time as the number of active players level out and the playerbase that sticks around moves on to higher level gameplay the economy will shift.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: K9 on May 17, 2012, 12:09:28 PM
How do you guys feel about upgrading the Jewelcrafter?



Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: bhodi on May 17, 2012, 12:13:49 PM
You need to. He's cheap, too, at least in normal. Upgrade on an as-needed, when you have the 3 lesser gems to fuse. You NEED a ruby-socketed weapon in normal.

So I made this guide. It's for monks, but replace +dex with +yourstat and it's still pretty accurate. We need an AH thread and if there isn't one soon I'll just create it when i have more time.
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A buying guide for monks:

Normal mode gear can be had on the AH for criminally good prices right now. Here are some tips.

In general, search for 10 levels below and 5 levels above you.
Dex is your primary stat! Most stuff should have dex on it!
Vit is your secondary stat! You can't ignore this after level 25 or so!
Pretend nothing else is on your gear except dex/vit/weapon speed/+damage!

Weapon:
A good fast ruby-sockted 1h weapon is the best thing you can do for your character!
Optimal for normal,low nightmare is 1h 1.4+ speed +shield with a socketed weapon. Spend the money on 1 awesome weapon rather than split your funds and gems for two.

A Flawless ruby will double your fist DPS in normal mode. Look at buying one on the AH for ~7k if you have to.

Search on the AH for 1h socketed weapons with dex or dex/vit, sort by DPS. Search for all, don't limit yourself to rares. Attack speed, extra damage, whatever is all factored into the DPS number so the only thing you care about is dex.

Armor:
Cheap helm/pants/shoulders/belt can be found at the crafting levels for each. Tons of people are wasting mats trying to get THEIR armor and are casting the dross onto the AH, frequently for stupidly low buyouts! Their wasted mats are YOUR Gain! Know these levels because the AH is STUFFED with them.

Search for them specifically, because only suckers waste mats trying to craft their perfect piece of gear, and suckers often have criminally low buyouts.

Helm: 17
Pants: 25
Belt: 26
Shoulders: 29

Armor sockets are OK if you have flawless+ to put in them. Otherwise, don't search for them. Don't buy socketed gear and then buy gems to put in them, just buy the gear instead, you're going to get better stats.

Non-Helm Armor: Search for dex and vitality
Helm/Spirit Stone: Spirit regen/Health per Sprit is absurdly good. Get either/both depending on your taste. These are Helm+Weapon only buffs. Sockets are good, too.
Amulet/Rings: You probably want +x-X Damage, attack speed, crit, in that order.
Move speed is generally worthwhile on your shoes.

I don't know shit about how much magic find helps/hurts so i have no info about creating a set of that, sorry.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: proudft on May 17, 2012, 12:34:39 PM
Wow, I did a search for my level 24 barbarian for Strength/Magic Find, < 4000, slot by slot, and actually replaced every single item I'm wearing except rings/amulets/weapon/shield.  Strength increased by like 150 and Magic Find is now 75% to finance further hijinx in this area.  Made the end of Act II about 5x easier, too, with that extra +150% to damage from all the Str.  Hooray for the AH!





Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: luckton on May 17, 2012, 12:38:07 PM
I dunno...it just feels like cheating to me.  It seems legit because dumbass people are posting stuff at fleamarket prices, but hell, why not just punch in a cheat code or something for the same effect?


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Cheddar on May 17, 2012, 01:01:59 PM
MF is the greatest invention ever.

Earlier a group of us f13'rs were running in Act 2- I filled my bags at least 3 times before they ever mentioned the need to go to town.  :)

Another 20k+! 


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ingmar on May 17, 2012, 01:08:59 PM
Hey, rock on with what you got.  I'm just saying that I foresee them 'balancing' the amount of magic find stuff you can get, or changing how it works in the very near future.  If they expect to make a profit off of the AH, making magic items drop from every single goddamn thing you kill is not going to help them. 

You do realize that D2 worked the same way? You could stack enormous amounts of magic find. Working as intended.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: luckton on May 17, 2012, 01:22:36 PM
Hey, rock on with what you got.  I'm just saying that I foresee them 'balancing' the amount of magic find stuff you can get, or changing how it works in the very near future.  If they expect to make a profit off of the AH, making magic items drop from every single goddamn thing you kill is not going to help them. 

You do realize that D2 worked the same way? You could stack enormous amounts of magic find. Working as intended.

D2 didn't have a built-in store where the tenants selling shit had double-digit IQs.  It had Asian farmers who knew EXACTLY just how much shit should be sold for  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Xuri on May 17, 2012, 01:24:34 PM
The entire dropped magic items vs AH thing seems a bit ... meh. No matter how awesome the magic items I find in-game seem to be, it looks like I can get a better one on the AH for a pitiful amount of gold.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: schild on May 17, 2012, 01:25:45 PM
The entire dropped magic items vs AH thing seems a bit ... meh. No matter how awesome the magic items I find in-game seem to be, it looks like I can get a better one on the AH for a pitiful amount of gold.
This is a byproduct of where the economy is at right now. I have a feeling this is going to radically change as Blizzard both patches in more shit, adjusts the numbers based on a sample size of 10 million people looting corpses (.001% chance for something to drop is too high with this many people hacking at shit).

It'll get there.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on May 17, 2012, 01:35:15 PM
1-59 items aren't even going to exist for most people in a few months.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: statisticalfool on May 17, 2012, 03:23:14 PM
Yeah, both less people doing the early levels, and huge amounts of inflation to come. Once you have a few million coins, the yes, you'll have to pay a lot for low-level rares.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: bhodi on May 17, 2012, 03:35:46 PM
It won't matter THAT much because in a few months you'll be able to put your Star Ruby in any trash rare and one-hit-kill your way through the first 20 levels of the game.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Sjofn on May 17, 2012, 03:44:12 PM
Yeah, I was going to do it then I saw stuff like "Level two demon hunters to 60."  WHY TWO?

I actually like the DH enough that I just might do that.

I've upgraded my smith a fair bit AND maxed my stash, I was getting a shitton of money in multiplayer. I will probably just start using the AH now, though, since prices are all over the place. Might as well, rite?


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: apocrypha on May 17, 2012, 03:55:47 PM
Just spent ~30k on the AH and kitted my lvl 26 wizard out with all Int, MF, Vit gear. Well, mostly, few slots weren't easy to fill without spending silly money so I'll try and plug the gaps tomorrow. I think the EU AH is less underpriced than the US one, although I did get a couple of awesome items for under 3k.

What a difference. I was struggling at the start of Act III before, now I'm melting faces and wading into huge packs of whatever without breaking a sweat, plus I have 61% magic find.

Thank you all very much for the suggestion!  :heart:


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Cheddar on May 17, 2012, 04:31:43 PM
We need a tip thread that gets updated periodically.  It is VERY easy to overlook the importance of gear in the game- as a WD I would never noticed the correlation of my spell damage, pet effectiveness, etc and what weapons/armor I had on.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: K9 on May 17, 2012, 06:06:27 PM
Is the AH buggy as hell, or am I just using it wrong?

It seems that very small changes in settings shift the results from loads of results to no results. e.g. changing the maximum buyout price from 8000 to 9000 seemed to kill the list, and there are apparently no hats with intel on them.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Cheddar on May 17, 2012, 06:09:18 PM
Fallen Teeth are going for as low as 20 per right now- which is great considering last night they were running for 60/per!

Grabbed me 100.  You have to be patient and click fast when someone posts it!


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Segoris on May 17, 2012, 06:28:44 PM
Nevermind, I'm seeing things


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: K9 on May 17, 2012, 06:29:25 PM
That seems remarkably counterintuitive  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Falconeer on May 17, 2012, 06:32:03 PM
I must agree, the AH totally feels like cheating and it's subtly changing the whole Diablo experience to me. It is taking away from the looting game since no matter what I loot, stuff in AH is better. Meh.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Sjofn on May 17, 2012, 06:33:26 PM
So don't use it. Pretend it isn't there!


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: WayAbvPar on May 17, 2012, 06:34:27 PM
Half the time the server is too wonky to use it, so it actually isn't there!


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Sjofn on May 17, 2012, 06:36:06 PM
Perfect!


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Trippy on May 17, 2012, 07:35:46 PM
Is the AH buggy as hell, or am I just using it wrong?

It seems that very small changes in settings shift the results from loads of results to no results. e.g. changing the maximum buyout price from 8000 to 9000 seemed to kill the list, and there are apparently no hats with intel on them.
It's buggy.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: waffel on May 17, 2012, 07:59:42 PM
As a Monk I just stack Dex and Gold Find on items. In normal its ridiculously easy and I have serious gold rolling in from monster kills + selling blues and AHing rares.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Llyse on May 17, 2012, 08:23:38 PM

Yeah, I was going to do it then I saw stuff like "Level two demon hunters to 60."  WHY TWO?


I only realised now TWO monks is... One Softcore, one hardcore?  :drill: :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: schild on May 17, 2012, 08:29:56 PM
As a Monk I just stack Dex and Gold Find on items. In normal its ridiculously easy and I have serious gold rolling in from monster kills + selling blues and AHing rares.
I was thinking about stacking gold find since it's a much easier value to calculate. Perhaps it may be the way to go given the auction house and the wack pricing. Will investigate tonight.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Cheddar on May 17, 2012, 08:34:48 PM
As a Monk I just stack Dex and Gold Find on items. In normal its ridiculously easy and I have serious gold rolling in from monster kills + selling blues and AHing rares.
I was thinking about stacking gold find since it's a much easier value to calculate. Perhaps it may be the way to go given the auction house and the wack pricing. Will investigate tonight.

Possibly.  May want some distance gold father items also.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Malakili on May 17, 2012, 08:50:37 PM
I'm honestly not that worried about optimizing my gold and magic find stuff until the end game.  Sure, you can play the AH all day right now, but in a month no one is going to care about 100,000 gold of profit, or any of the items anyone has found so far.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Merusk on May 17, 2012, 11:38:40 PM
Anyone else having problems with AH searches saying No Items Found when you *know* there's things there?    I keep trying to do searches for magic find / int items and bupkis.  I think it's timing out on me.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: bhodi on May 18, 2012, 12:20:53 AM
Yep, the AH is melting. It's going up and down. If your search takes more than 5-10 seconds, the AH is broken or they are discarding your query because it took too long. Try limiting your search, queries that return a smaller list run faster, common already cached queries run faster (use a primary stat and 5000 or 10000 buyout, for example)


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Hoax on May 18, 2012, 02:38:11 AM
Anyone else having problems with AH searches saying No Items Found when you *know* there's things there?    I keep trying to do searches for magic find / int items and bupkis.  I think it's timing out on me.

Actually the most common No Items Found is because you left the search too open ended. I think that the AH either can't display over a certain amount of pages because of the server load or because its shit. Every time I get that msg if I restrict the search (add a 2nd or 3rd stat I'm looking for, create a floor for a stat, add a level range etc.) I'll get results.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: apocrypha on May 18, 2012, 02:51:54 AM
I find that if I just put a 1 in the "Min Value" of any field it often makes results appear.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Furiously on May 18, 2012, 03:02:41 AM
They also might have slowed it down so people dont keep spamming looking for a cheap corner on the market.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Phred on May 18, 2012, 04:01:20 AM
In light of Followers contributing to Magic Find and me finding out at level 18 amulets can have 12% Magic Find, I am now well over 100%. I would imagine this is probably a conversion to like 10+% chance to get a Magic item.

If it's like D2, iirc it was a percent of the base chance to find magic items. so if the base chance is 1% then 100% mf is 2%


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Merusk on May 18, 2012, 06:16:18 AM
I was doing all the suggested bits and it was returning nothing.  If I *DIDN'T* try and filter I got results, but any filter would fuck up the search.

 Working fine this morning, I think it was just getting hammered last night.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: apocrypha on May 18, 2012, 08:23:09 AM
Just discovered that if the AH is being slow and often returning no results then wait when you hit search, then as soon as "no results" appears hit search again. 9 times out of 10 results appear instantly, like the search had actually run but just timed out.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: 01101010 on May 18, 2012, 08:38:25 AM
I was doing all the suggested bits and it was returning nothing.  If I *DIDN'T* try and filter I got results, but any filter would fuck up the search.

 Working fine this morning, I think it was just getting hammered last night.

Was wondering wtf was going on... I would search 1h weapons and it would just hang and every button was greyed out. I figured it was either lagging or I was doing it wrong.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Thrawn on May 18, 2012, 12:38:20 PM
Just took another browse of the AH, I feel like my entire game right now is just progressing so I can farm more gold so I can buy even more insane stuff for cheap. (and enjoying it)

I'm only level 34 and I just bought a 80dps one handed sword for 10k.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: jakonovski on May 18, 2012, 01:13:48 PM
The AH is broken on the EU side too. I was only able to find one handed rare swords, all other searches timed out.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: waffel on May 18, 2012, 01:51:13 PM
Just took another browse of the AH, I feel like my entire game right now is just progressing so I can farm more gold so I can buy even more insane stuff for cheap. (and enjoying it)

I'm only level 34 and I just bought a 80dps one handed sword for 10k.

Makes me miss D2. Instead of trading with friends or other players online (which means actually interacting with people), I can instead be as antisocial as I want and still get amazing items for little to no effort.

"Oh man, I just found a Windforce on my way to kill Baal! I wonder what I can trade this for and how much its worth!"
Now its:
"Oh man, I just found a Windforce on the auction house for 200k, just need to farm for a few hours and its mine!"

Meh...


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Quinton on May 18, 2012, 02:22:54 PM
I doubt I'm ever going to sit around farming gold to buy stuff off the AH -- that just doesn't strike me as fun.  But if I have gold on hand and am looking for a specific something to fill the gaps (wish this sword were +dex instead of +int!) it's nice to be able to see if there's anything useful out there.

So far I've bought one or two gems and a 1h weapon and spent less than 3k all told.

Still trying to get the hang of pricing yellows so they move (if they're really good I tend to keep 'em).

Mostly I just don't have the patience to deal with the AH when I could be fighting monsters and getting loot!


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: statisticalfool on May 18, 2012, 03:00:03 PM
Makes me miss D2. Instead of trading with friends or other players online (which means actually interacting with people), I can instead be as antisocial as I want and still get amazing items for little to no effort.

"Oh man, I just found a Windforce on my way to kill Baal! I wonder what I can trade this for and how much its worth!"
Now its:
"Oh man, I just found a Windforce on the auction house for 200k, just need to farm for a few hours and its mine!"

Meh...

Yeah, this is feeling like kind of a huge flaw right now for me. It hasn't turned me off to the game yet, but it has just sort of totally removed the loot candy aspect. On the other hand, figuring out what to DE and what to sell was getting kind of tedious. Now just right click everything.

"Don't use the AH" feels like an insufficient answer. If I was playing this solo: sure. But if you're grouping with people? It's not super fun to be 30-40% DPS behind everybody else.

My guess is that this all changes at 60/Inferno and a few months down the road. But for now, it's a bit of a drag, even as it's fun melting the hell out of stuff, if that makes any sense.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Maledict on May 18, 2012, 03:03:16 PM
Yeah, I'm slightly unsure myself. A couple of my friends are playing the min/ max game whilst levelling and their stats are just *ridiculous*. 1500 more health and almost triple the dps makes an entirely different game!


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ingmar on May 18, 2012, 03:04:51 PM
It's not super fun to be 30-40% DPS behind everybody else.

Can you even tell? Shit is so chaotic and explosion-y that I don't know that I'd be able to.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Maledict on May 18, 2012, 03:07:27 PM
You can when someones disintegrate destroys entire packs of mobs before your blizzard / meteor has even appeared on screen. It will balance it at 60 and most people won't even notice it I guess so it's not a major issue but right now it's slightly vexing.

On the plus side, my spells are a damn sight cooler looking!


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: calapine on May 18, 2012, 04:23:14 PM
You can when someones disintegrate destroys entire packs of mobs before your blizzard / meteor has even appeared on screen. It will balance it at 60 and most people won't even notice it I guess so it's not a major issue but right now it's slightly vexing.

On the plus side, my spells are a damn sight cooler looking!

Decided for myself to to just have fun and enjoy myself for the moment, and start the obsessing and min/max-ing when I reach levelcap or the difficulty ramps up noticeably. Whichever happens first.
Also think about how much damage you could have done while wasting 15 minutes browsing the AH.*

Cala

*(only valid if you are slowpoke like me)


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Draegan on May 18, 2012, 06:20:04 PM
Just took another browse of the AH, I feel like my entire game right now is just progressing so I can farm more gold so I can buy even more insane stuff for cheap. (and enjoying it)

I'm only level 34 and I just bought a 80dps one handed sword for 10k.

Makes me miss D2. Instead of trading with friends or other players online (which means actually interacting with people), I can instead be as antisocial as I want and still get amazing items for little to no effort.

"Oh man, I just found a Windforce on my way to kill Baal! I wonder what I can trade this for and how much its worth!"
Now its:
"Oh man, I just found a Windforce on the auction house for 200k, just need to farm for a few hours and its mine!"

Meh...

Yeah I missed Everquest, it had a real community where people had to work and earn their levels.

Edit:

Buy a few items on the AH.
Go to click send to stash.
AH goes down.
??
Don't profit.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on May 18, 2012, 06:36:56 PM
Maybe I'm old but going from normal to nightmare is an insane difficulty ramp up, I can't even imagine inferno.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Khaldun on May 19, 2012, 10:36:26 AM
I just started playing (busy week at work) and I decided to take a look at the AH last night. It was kind of weird--I bid on one thing, got an instant outbid, but the money from my bid didn't come back to me. So I didn't get the item and I don't have the money. That can't be right...right?


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: EWSpider on May 19, 2012, 10:37:39 AM
I just started playing (busy week at work) and I decided to take a look at the AH last night. It was kind of weird--I bid on one thing, got an instant outbid, but the money from my bid didn't come back to me. So I didn't get the item and I don't have the money. That can't be right...right?

Did you check your Completion tab?  You probably have to manually send it back to your Stash.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on May 19, 2012, 11:03:55 AM
The AH seems to be levelling out now, prices are not the steal they used to be.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Khaldun on May 19, 2012, 09:37:52 PM
Yeah, it wasn't showing up under Completion for some reason...just an odd lag, I guess.

Can you sort the AH by time left in the auction?


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Miasma on May 20, 2012, 06:26:17 AM
Nope, they probably didn't want a bunch of people spamming bids on stuff without a buyout minutes before they expire.  Can't search or sort by bids either.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: K9 on May 20, 2012, 06:45:06 AM
Does anyone know where Tomes of Jewelcrafting start dropping?


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: JRave on May 20, 2012, 09:00:24 AM
Does anyone know where Tomes of Jewelcrafting start dropping?


Tomes start dropping in Hell.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: MournelitheCalix on May 21, 2012, 12:37:12 AM
QFE for this  thread.  I made the mistake of leveling up crafting in my first playthrough.  I should have been hard core AHing.  Anyway  I think its o'k to level up the jeweler but the Black smith IMHO your better served leaving him alone as the recipies were simply too random IMHO.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ingmar on May 21, 2012, 01:50:37 PM
Interesting - my feeling was that it was far, far more forgiving than D2 normal->nightmare.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Rendakor on May 21, 2012, 02:36:14 PM
Interesting - my feeling was that it was far, far more forgiving than D2 normal->nightmare.
wat


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ingmar on May 21, 2012, 02:41:47 PM
Hmm, I missed a page there.

That said I had basically no trouble with the Normal->Nightmare transition in D3. That was definitely not the case the first couple times I hit it in D2.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Hoax on May 21, 2012, 04:15:41 PM
The hardcore AH has abandoned me. Can someone give me a rough idea of how much it costs to craft L3X and L4X rares that give you 50+ Vit? Because if its close to 50k its time to switch over to crafting.

Basically the only market right now on the hardcore AH are double socketed leg/chest with a primary stat or with vit or even more redic a primary stat + vit rares. Any item with 4X + Vit plus a primary stat will sell it takes some research to figure out for how much. Everything else is probably better being broken down.

Reality is though that I don't ever want to sell that stuff because its always going to be useful for the next generation of characters. Basically items at L30 or higher aren't ever worth selling anymore and I'm not convinced that they are worth buying either so I'm leveling up my Smith to find out for myself.

***

re: Normal -> NM. You are crazy. At level 40 NM people are basically all aiming for 7-12k hp. That's essentially 50+ Vit on each item plus you need some primary stat. The best characters I'm seeing have 2XX on both off stats, min 8k hp and a strong damage stat. The stat requirements for not risking death against double boss packs with double abilities is huge compared to anything normal asked of you.

Also the difference between 1 player and 4 player NM feels much greater than 1 player to 4 player normal.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: proudft on May 21, 2012, 04:18:17 PM
I believe Ingmar's witchdoctor was a fatty fat fat lardball at 8300 hp or so at the end of Normal.

I had to re-gear my barbarian a bit, as I had 1500 hp.   :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ingmar on May 21, 2012, 04:34:06 PM
I wasn't THAT high at the end of normal, 3000 hp or so. I'm at about 5.5k halfway through Act 1. In D2 I would get destroyed by shit all over the place at first in NM, this hasn't been an issue at all in D3. Haven't died yet.

EDIT: Also Hoax you're talking HC which is a pretty different risk/reward evaluation.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: proudft on May 21, 2012, 04:38:40 PM
Hrm I must have transposed digits from 3800.  I'm at like 7700 now in Act 2, so 8k is probably doable with AH hijinks, though.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: amiable on May 21, 2012, 04:41:10 PM
The hardcore AH has abandoned me. Can someone give me a rough idea of how much it costs to craft L3X and L4X rares that give you 50+ Vit? Because if its close to 50k its time to switch over to crafting.

Basically the only market right now on the hardcore AH are double socketed leg/chest with a primary stat or with vit or even more redic a primary stat + vit rares. Any item with 4X + Vit plus a primary stat will sell it takes some research to figure out for how much. Everything else is probably better being broken down.



I've had a lot of luck just item shopping in stores, when you get to act 3 amulets and rings can spawn with vit+primarry stat.  my golas are 3000hp act 3 5000 act 4 and 10000 for entering nm.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Hawkbit on May 21, 2012, 04:54:29 PM
AH help, please.  I have to be missing something, because there's no way they'd make the AH this difficult to use, right? 

Let's say I get a drop I can't use: Vampiric Heavy Axe of Flame.

Is there an easy way to search by name of the item (or is that limited to only legendary/set)?  Right now, the only way I know how to actually search for that item by name is to select:

1. Select Item type
2. Level range
3. Rarity
4. Preferred stats: Bonus minimum fire
5. Preferred stats: Life steal

Only then will it give me all the hits back on the item name.  Only then can I search bids and buyouts to come up with a decent price to post. 

Help please?


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: K9 on May 21, 2012, 05:42:51 PM
I think you can only search legendary gear by name


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Hoax on May 21, 2012, 05:48:18 PM
EDIT: Also Hoax you're talking HC which is a pretty different risk/reward evaluation.

You can make it with 5.5k in Act1 NM but not four player and not without being under powered (you wont help much against hard packs because you'll be too busy running away) esp as melee. Yes hardcore is different but I was responding to the idea that you can take your act4 normal gear into Act1 NM and breeze through no problem. That just isn't the case unless by breeze through you mean die or kite every hard boss pack and never play with four people or let others carry you.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: caladein on May 21, 2012, 07:01:20 PM
Is there an easy way to search by name of the item (or is that limited to only legendary/set)?

There isn't, but it's also worthless to go by name on Rares.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: bhodi on May 21, 2012, 07:39:14 PM
AH help, please.  I have to be missing something, because there's no way they'd make the AH this difficult to use, right?  

Let's say I get a drop I can't use: Vampiric Heavy Axe of Flame.

Is there an easy way to search by name of the item (or is that limited to only legendary/set)?  Right now, the only way I know how to actually search for that item by name is to select:

1. Select Item type
2. Level range
3. Rarity
4. Preferred stats: Bonus minimum fire
5. Preferred stats: Life steal

Only then will it give me all the hits back on the item name.  Only then can I search bids and buyouts to come up with a decent price to post.  

Help please?

No, but you don't  need to.

To sell an item:
Select appropriate socket (1h, 2h, wrist, whatever)
Put in level of item into range, +/- 2  (put 23-27 for a level 25 item)  (sometimes I just put 25-25)
Put in primary stat
Put in secondary stat if it's vitality (+32 int / +31 dex / 26 str item is really just a 32 int item. Primary Stat plus Vitality ONLY).
Put in Has Sockets if it does
Replace One of the two above with a modifier like life steal or resists if it's really good (generally I don't bother, this does not affect items very much except for things like +move speed)

Stick in buyout - 5k plus 5k for every 10 levels over 20  (L20 = 5k, 30 = 10k, 40 = 20k), mash search
If you get 5+ pages, put in specific round numbers for the primary stat that are lower but near the stat.
If you get 5+ pages, do the same for the secondary stat

If you still have 5+ pages, up the buyout by 5k until you have a page of items. Mouse over to see if there are comparable items. If so, make your buyout comparable.

It works a bit differently for weapons; In general, DPS is king and will outweigh stats. Instead of putting in specific numbers for stats, just sort by DPS and up/lower the buyout until you are in a comparable range and the stats are roughly similar.


Some people have been listing items with shit already in the sockets. This is fucking up the DPS listing and sorting. Just ignore that shit, and never buy a already-socketed item to discourage it further.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: caladein on May 21, 2012, 07:55:31 PM
Outside of the pricing, that's pretty much my procedure for putting an item up as well.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Furiously on May 21, 2012, 08:18:13 PM
Mine is to put it up for 5k so it sells quick so I can list something else. Unless it's uber than I price 25k.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Trippy on May 21, 2012, 08:23:33 PM
Yeah not being able to cancel an auction is so messed up.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: statisticalfool on May 22, 2012, 10:56:56 AM
By the way, until the for gold AH normalizes in prices, who would use the RMAH? Or when you get to level 60, are the prices for the really good items high?


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ragnoros on May 22, 2012, 12:32:01 PM
By the way, until the for gold AH normalizes in prices, who would use the RMAH? Or when you get to level 60, are the prices for the really good items high?

My friend sold a 1000+ dps lvl 60 bow for 2.5 million gold. True story, probably.

I don't see items going for $200 anytime soon, the item system is too borked for that. (Random blues outclass everything in many slots) But I could see $5-10+ to save a couple hours farming gold for the lazy with too much money.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Thrawn on May 22, 2012, 01:08:30 PM
Some people have been listing items with shit already in the sockets. This is fucking up the DPS listing and sorting. Just ignore that shit, and never buy a already-socketed item to discourage it further.

This issue needs to be addressed, so sick of it.

Have fun searching for a helm with X stats, 10% MF and a socket.  You're going to get 1,000 helms that have a socket with a topaz in it but no MF on the item and you have to look line by line to find the 3 that actually have a socket with no gem in it.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Venkman on May 22, 2012, 01:18:27 PM
The AH seems to be levelling out now, prices are not the steal they used to be.

I dunno. I'm finding stuff so laughably cheap that I am thinking the hasty-auctioneer is forgetting to put in a zero. Maybe the endgame prices are leveling out some. But on the way to cap, my already OP'd DH barely lifts a finger now and I'm spending less than I would training the BS.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: kildorn on May 22, 2012, 02:21:26 PM
I'd love an ability to sort by something other than armor value or price for armor. With weapons sorting by DPS is loosely a decent idea and your top 10 results will have a winner in it. With armor, you have to get really creative with what you want or you won't find that cheap 90 dex item in the middle of a ton of 30 dex items with 1 higher armor.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: schild on May 22, 2012, 04:54:11 PM
Yes you will:

Dexterity: 90

Max Buyout: Whatever

Search

The search function is absolutely fine, it's just missing a "NO GEMS" button.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Job601 on May 24, 2012, 10:20:29 AM
So, does anyone have a prediction for how much gold will sell for once the RMAH opens?  Based on the prices items are going for now, I'm thinking maybe $1 = 10,000 gold or so.  This would make an item selling for 2.5 million gold now hit the $250 mark.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Paelos on May 24, 2012, 10:24:07 AM
$1 = 100,000 gold is my bet.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Miasma on May 24, 2012, 11:34:27 AM
You seem to get a lot more gold with each step up in difficulty mode, the level 60 inferno people move around hundreds of thousands of gold without thinking much of it and there are more of them everyday.  So there's a huge amount of gold already but we have no idea what the demand will be like.  I imagine most people will buy specific items rather than gold too.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: K9 on May 24, 2012, 04:12:09 PM
I'm really struggling to see what is rare enough to warrant RMAH. Maybe that final set item, but given how many I see already on the GAH I don't imagine them getting any rarer.

This economy is going to just get wackier since people can cap out on gear and gold so fast. There are so few good uses for gold in this game that buying it seems daft, and I'm just sinking whatever I make along the way into upgrades of the GAH. When I get to 60 I'll probably save up and buy some nice toys, but beyond that I can't see the long-term need for gold, or all that much gear.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: schild on May 24, 2012, 11:21:01 PM
I don't even know what a "set" item looks like in this game. What color is it, what do sets look like?


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Feverdream on May 25, 2012, 01:01:04 AM
It's my understanding that 'set' items are legendary items that accrue a set bonus once you start wearing more than one of them.  I believe they aren't available until level 60, but I am not sure that's correct.

Some are available via crafting recipes that drop.

I've also heard some comments that the stats on them are pretty bland; this came from some folks who are generally frustrated with Blizzard's itemization in D3.  I'm sort of disappointed with that aspect myself, but am waiting to finish at least Nightmare, and maybe Hell level, before reaching a final conclusion.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Azuredream on May 25, 2012, 01:10:36 AM
I don't even know what a "set" item looks like in this game. What color is it, what do sets look like?

I just got some set pants off a champion in Act I inferno, The text color was green. [Pants]


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Trippy on May 25, 2012, 03:03:25 AM
They are Green. Search the AH for Legendary armor and you'll see them mixed in with the normal Brown Legendary items.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Thrawn on May 25, 2012, 08:42:44 AM
Starting to hit a wall with my Barb where I feel like a melee char just can't progress.  Too many combinations of special monsters punish me for being in close at all and I HAVE to stack defense to be in close which really gimps what my dps could be.

So instead I just played the auction house game last night, started at about 300k, think I'm at about 4m right now.  8-)


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Rendakor on May 25, 2012, 03:00:56 PM
Speaking of the AH, is it acting wonky for anyone else? Searching are returning a ton of Expired auctions and none posted recently at all; I'm unable to list things (Error 32105) either.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: sickrubik on May 25, 2012, 03:29:43 PM
That's why the AH has been done about 20 times since launch.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: bhodi on May 25, 2012, 05:17:52 PM
I don't even know what a "set" item looks like in this game. What color is it, what do sets look like?
They're green.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/shenlongs-crashing-tide


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Miasma on May 25, 2012, 05:59:33 PM
That seems like low dps compared to the numbers the level 60 people throw around.  Are sets similar to legendaries in that rares/blues are better than them?


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: bhodi on May 25, 2012, 06:01:47 PM
Yep. And that's actually a problem they are looking at (http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5271598076?page=2#30)


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Malakili on May 25, 2012, 06:42:38 PM
Not sure if this is the best place for this but it looks like Blizzard is delaying the RMAH until further notice.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5149181449


Good move.

Quote

Real-Money Auction House Coming Soon

In light of the post-launch obstacles we've encountered, we have made the decision to move the launch of the real-money auction house beyond the previously estimated May time frame. As we mentioned in our original announcement, our goal has always been to ensure everyone has the smoothest experience possible when the real-money auction house launches, and we need a bit more time to iron out the existing general stability and gameplay issues before that feature goes live. While we don't have a new launch date to share just yet, we’ll have more information soon.



Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Venkman on May 25, 2012, 06:58:13 PM
Ouch. But good for them for not launching something broken.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Rokal on May 25, 2012, 07:03:52 PM
It also wouldn't make sense for them to release the RMAH when they still have major gear balancing to do. You'd run into a bunch of angry customers that spent real money on the best weapons which are now substantially less useful.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Job601 on May 25, 2012, 07:17:38 PM
It also wouldn't make sense for them to release the RMAH when they still have major gear balancing to do. You'd run into a bunch of angry customers that spent real money on the best weapons which are now substantially less useful.

It occurred to me that one of the big problems with the old rune system (runes were items that dropped, like gems) would have been that nerfing skill runes would have caused a massive outcry because of auction prices.  Who wants to pay a million gold for a rune that's about to be useless?


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Hawkbit on May 25, 2012, 07:25:45 PM
Ouch. But good for them for not launching something broken.

zing!


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: K9 on May 30, 2012, 06:08:14 AM
Pro Tip: Reduced level requirement is the unqualified ultimate stat you can have on a weapon. Since the weapon DPS increases exponentially, getting a weapon that is 5-10 levels above you will blow your character's DPS through the roof. I'm not sure the earliest point where it shows up, but you should certainly be looking for it aggressively once you hit level 45+. Once you are in the 50s and you can equip weapons from late hell/inferno you will find things much easier. Currently level 56 and wielding a 560ish DPS mace, which is 3-4 times more DPS than any weapon that can drop in the content I am running. With all my other gear my hero DPS is over 12K now, and that's with 119% gold find, 20K HP and 200ish resists.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: 01101010 on May 30, 2012, 06:35:49 AM
Pro Tip: Reduced level requirement is the unqualified ultimate stat you can have on a weapon. Since the weapon DPS increases exponentially, getting a weapon that is 5-10 levels above you will blow your character's DPS through the roof. I'm not sure the earliest point where it shows up, but you should certainly be looking for it aggressively once you hit level 45+. Once you are in the 50s and you can equip weapons from late hell/inferno you will find things much easier. Currently level 56 and wielding a 560ish DPS mace, which is 3-4 times more DPS than any weapon that can drop in the content I am running. With all my other gear my hero DPS is over 12K now, and that's with 119% gold find, 20K HP and 200ish resists.

Thanks. Saw this stat on a few things recently (barb is lvl 52) and didn't really know what to make of it.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: K9 on May 30, 2012, 06:56:44 AM
If you enter 60 as the minimum level, and set the minimum value for the reduced level requirement stat to 60-<yourlevel> you'll get level 60 weapons you can use. Even a blue level 60 weapon with no other stats, but 2-3x your DPS will make everything so much better for you.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: apocrypha on May 30, 2012, 08:00:15 AM
Oh man, awesome tip, thanks K9!

I just went and spent 200k on a lvl 60 weapon for my lvl 54 monk who is now punching the everliving shitty fuck out of the spiders in the Hell Act I caverns like they were made of wet tissue paper.

 :heart:


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: statisticalfool on May 30, 2012, 09:13:09 AM
Yeah, that's totally a great tip. Got a 131dex, 320dps for 60k at level 52.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: ezrast on May 30, 2012, 10:31:22 AM
Whoa. 548 dps, 100+ dex and vit at level 54. Thank you.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: K9 on May 30, 2012, 01:21:23 PM
Y'all are most welcome!


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Jeff Kelly on May 30, 2012, 01:34:08 PM
Wow thanks for that tip.

Level < 59 weapons are so much more expensive on the AH than Level 60 ones (market is flooded right now by all the inferno players dumping their stuff) but I never considered that although I know the reduced level stat


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: calapine on May 30, 2012, 08:56:43 PM
Yes, best tip ever. Thank you  :heart: :heart:

Switching out my lvl 46 legendary staff against a lvl 48 rare x-bow (-7 lvl requirement) my DPS doubles ! (1900 to 3800)


Edit:

Behold the power of the crossbow! The difference was so astounding I went ahead and killed Azmodan on Nightmare sans magic or potions, only using the crossbow autoattack. (I am a wizard)

Video proof here: Youtube 4m22s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfjlI0Qr1TQ&hd=1)


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: K9 on May 31, 2012, 03:35:22 AM
Hah, that's awesome.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Setanta on May 31, 2012, 04:20:45 AM
Yes, best tip ever. Thank you  :heart: :heart:

Switching out my lvl 46 legendary staff against a lvl 48 rare x-bow (-7 lvl requirement) my DPS doubles ! (1900 to 3800)


Edit:

Behold the power of the crossbow! The difference was so astounding I went ahead and killed Azmodan on Nightmare sans magic or potions, only using the crossbow autoattack. (I am a wizard)

Video proof here: Youtube 4m22s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfjlI0Qr1TQ&hd=1)

You just ruined the game for me :(


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ironwood on May 31, 2012, 04:35:28 AM
How far down can the item requirements tumble ?


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: JRave on May 31, 2012, 05:00:09 AM
How far down can the item requirements tumble ?


I've personally  seen -12 on a level 60 weapon.  Said weapon sold for a large amount. :)


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ironwood on May 31, 2012, 05:08:25 AM
That seems...poorly thought out.

I think the limit was 3 in previous games ?


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: 01101010 on May 31, 2012, 05:35:15 AM
I'll have to try this on an alt because all the weapons I see for the Barb are in the millions of gold range.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Rendakor on May 31, 2012, 06:30:17 AM
That seems...poorly thought out.

I think the limit was 3 in previous games ?

D3 has itemization issues, film at 11.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Thrawn on May 31, 2012, 07:43:30 AM
Quick AH search finds this. (Level 42 req)

(http://i.imgur.com/utea7.jpg)

I don't see what the big deal is anyways though, you level really fast so most of this type of gear (not all obviously, that does more than my level 60 2H) will just be obsolete when you hit 60.  No one cares much how fast you are clearing nightmare.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Maledict on May 31, 2012, 08:03:10 AM
Um, that's a good weapon for 60 as well - over a 1000 dps is a good number for Act1 inferno.

And I think the absolute best weapons for 1/3 of the game being items that can only drop in inferno difficulty is a bit broken surely? I don't mind the best gear being hard to find and very rare, but when it's not actually capable of dropping for another 18 levels I think that's a bad thing for the games itemisation.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Thrawn on May 31, 2012, 08:48:59 AM
Um, that's a good weapon for 60 as well - over a 1000 dps is a good number for Act1 inferno.

That would be why I pointed out in this specific case it does more damage than the 2H I'm using at 60.  :oh_i_see:

But that is a small minority of items.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Xanthippe on May 31, 2012, 09:03:37 AM
Where would a thing like that drop? Inferno or Hell or NM?


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Maledict on May 31, 2012, 09:44:25 AM
At the very earliest Hell act4 (which you'll be 60 at), but more likely the later acts of Inferno with those mods.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: statisticalfool on May 31, 2012, 10:03:12 AM
Um, that's a good weapon for 60 as well - over a 1000 dps is a good number for Act1 inferno.

And I think the absolute best weapons for 1/3 of the game being items that can only drop in inferno difficulty is a bit broken surely? I don't mind the best gear being hard to find and very rare, but when it's not actually capable of dropping for another 18 levels I think that's a bad thing for the games itemisation.

Yeah, reduced level requirement makes things even more broken to the AH.

I just wonder how soon I should break out all the gold find gear I can get.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Threash on May 31, 2012, 11:01:18 AM
I got me a -18 weapon for when i hit 42, that was the lowest the AH would find results.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ghambit on May 31, 2012, 12:17:53 PM
 :ye_gods:  How much was it?

I scored a simple lvl 40 reduced 6 lvl 1h for 5k and have tripled my dmg.  I'm using a vanilla HC splinters build on my WD with it and I'm starting to 1-shot on NM.  Good times.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: calapine on June 01, 2012, 09:27:08 AM
Sort of PSA for AH usage:

"Error 32105" when listing an item means it's damaged, despite showing full durability. I had repeated issues trying to sell a chest armor, upon bringing it to the vendor it showed me a repair bill of 1 (one) gold. After that it worked like a charm.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Threash on June 01, 2012, 09:52:36 AM
:ye_gods:  How much was it?

I scored a simple lvl 40 reduced 6 lvl 1h for 5k and have tripled my dmg.  I'm using a vanilla HC splinters build on my WD with it and I'm starting to 1-shot on NM.  Good times.

100k lol.  There is a 900+ dps lvl 42 ONE hander up for sale atm, -18 lvl requirement +shit tons of extra dmg and +49% dmg on it.  That one is 23 mill though.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ghambit on June 03, 2012, 08:19:02 AM
If you're willing to part with your class's "recommended stats" (like mana regen for WD) you can usually find sick DPS-gear for dirt cheap.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Paelos on June 03, 2012, 09:14:52 AM
I have an AH question:

Can people who have the different classes compile a list of what those classes look for on the AH?

For example, as a Barb I'm looking for All Resist, Strength, Vitality, and Armor.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: calapine on June 03, 2012, 11:54:25 AM
Wizard    All ResistanceIntelligenceVitalityCrit ChanceAttack Speed
Barbarian    All ResistanceStrengthVitalityArmor
Monk Resistance "X"DexterityVitalityArmor
Demon Hunter    All ResistanceDexterityVitalityAttack SpeedCrit Chance
Witch Doctor    Weapon DamageIntelligenceAttack SpeedCrit ChanceCrit Damage

Secondary stats are cursive

Will update when other classes tell their preference.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ragnoros on June 03, 2012, 03:21:04 PM
Prior to Inferno just stack your main DPS stat and Vit + whatever you think is fun. It does not matter. Everything below assumes lvl60 inferno gear.

Monk: Dex, Vit, Resist All, Resist X, Armor, Wildcard.
DH: Dex, Crit, Crit Damage, Attack Speed + Later: Vit, Resist All.
Wiz: Int, Crit, Crit Damage, Attack Speed. + Later Resist All and Vit.
(I might be incorrect on the attack speed for wizards. I do not main one and have not read up on where things ended up on the whole attack speed normalization for spell damage.)

Monks Specifically:
Resist X being whichever resist stat (cold, fire, etc) you picked for One With Everything.
Armor is my personal thing, it might be outclassed by some other stat, ignore if you like.
Wildcard is generally the stat you only get in that slot, like move speed on boots, crit on bracers, attack speed on gloves, the helm socket, or the class specific stats, like Life per Spirit Spent on spirit stone helms.
Wildcard can also be a stat you like stacking. For melee classes life on hit is quite powerful for example (mainly because life-steal/damage converted into life does not work in inferno).

Ranged classes:
Newer (read: poorer) players generally skip everything but DPS stats and simply plan to not get hit or die. Once they become rich they can afford to dip into not dying in one hit stats.

For jewelry the desired stats are usually the same, with a few qualifications. Firstly, hard to get % based DPS stats like attack speed, crit damage and crit are prized. This is especially true for rings. Amulets on the other hand can have 200+ of each base stat, so people generally look for a good chunk of dex/str/int + vit on their amulet in addition to other stats.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Arinon on June 03, 2012, 03:25:53 PM
As a DH pretty much what Rag said except I prefer Att Speed over the crit stats.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Xanthippe on June 04, 2012, 09:37:33 AM
Witch doctor: Weapon damage, int, attack speed, crit% and dmg. Movement on boots is important for kiting.

(Don't get hit by anything!)

Just hit Inferno on my WD. Using a zombie bear build. The amount of damage it does fast is ridiculous.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ghambit on June 04, 2012, 11:47:17 AM
I've seen some great deals on %dmg gear.  Seems like the least well-known stat.  Anyone have any experience with it?


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Segoris on June 04, 2012, 11:53:33 AM
Would need more info on the item as to why it's a great deal. Though, my best guess is you found some %dmg gear but it was on a low dps weapon (the weapon dps I believe has the increased damage already calculated into it afaik) so it's not so much a great deal as it is a low dps weapon which goes for cheap.

If you're seeing increased crit dmg %, I'd guess poor stat allocation to other stats? Though, again, more info needed there.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ghambit on June 04, 2012, 12:25:13 PM
I thought the stat was %dmg on every hit.  So how does it adequately calc. it into the tooltip deeps when I havent actually hit anything?  Same deal with +dmg x-y.  Havent hit yet, so what exactly is the dps tooltip telling me? 


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Segoris on June 04, 2012, 12:36:44 PM
The only things that are on every hit are things such as +life on hit and % of dmg converted to life, but those don't effect weapon dps.

+dmg%, +<element of choice> damage, etc are all factored into the weapon's dps total.

So a weapon that shows like:
500 dps
+1-2 fire damage
+25% damage

Would basically be a 400dps (slightly lower, which is why I used such small fire damage numbers since I don't feel like doing math today, and believe if it was something like +200-400 fir damage it would take the median number to calculate by the weapon speed) but is increased by 25% to be a 500 dps weapon. I believe attack speed is part of the dps as well, that one I'm not so sure of.

This is all just afaik and what I've noticed, and what I've read on some other sites, nothing official and I may be off but am fairly positive this is how it works


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Azuredream on June 04, 2012, 12:37:34 PM
I believe attack speed is part of the dps as well, that one I'm not so sure of.

It is.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Merusk on June 04, 2012, 12:40:28 PM
DPS = Average damage / Attack speed.    So if your weapon is 1-100 damage (aka damage variance) with a 1s attack speed you'll be doing 51dps.  It's easy to add the modifiers, gems and % to the damage variance, find the new average and divide by the attack speed (which is also modified by any "x% increase in attack speed" stats)

So the raw dps is all you ever need to look at on a weapon.  This is why I prefer to see socketed weapons already with gems on them, you don't have to do the calc yourself.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ingmar on June 04, 2012, 12:58:54 PM
I am almost certain that the AH dps display does NOT include gem effects.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Segoris on June 04, 2012, 01:12:33 PM
I don't think they do either. I thought all that a weapon with a gem socketed in it does is put the socketed weapon higher on the search results than a weapon that would otherwise be more dps if it also had a gem socketed.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: kildorn on June 04, 2012, 01:15:57 PM
I am almost certain that the AH dps display does NOT include gem effects.

AH search includes gems (if you say 60 dex, it will show you a 30dex +30dex gem item), but the DPS on the sortable listing doesn't care about gems that I've seen.

What I'd love is a comparison of actual change since it already wants to know what character it's for.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: 01101010 on June 04, 2012, 02:51:47 PM
I am almost certain that the AH dps display does NOT include gem effects.

On weapons, I can confirm. Actually, all you have to do is get in game, look at your socketed weapon and see what the dps number is. Exit your character ( :uhrr: ) and get into the AH and mouse-over a weapon and your weapon comparison window will show a lower dps amount. It also goes that if you sort by dps and scan down a screen of all say 400 dps and smack in the middle is some 386 dps, you can instantly assume it has a gem in it.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ironwood on June 04, 2012, 03:25:49 PM
I find it amusing that this thread gets so much play.

 :why_so_serious:

See ?

Amused.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Mrbloodworth on June 04, 2012, 04:20:46 PM
I find it amusing that this thread gets so much play.

 :why_so_serious:

See ?

Amused.


And at the same time im Kookoo for Cocoa Puffs for suggesting the games loot system was designed to feed the RMAH/AH.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: calapine on June 08, 2012, 04:36:28 AM
--- Use the AH at your own risk! ---

Apperently turning the commodity autions back on killed the hamsters. AH has terrible lag or even refuses to work at all "Due to high traffic your bid couldn't be processed. Try later" (quoting from memory).

And even worse a not working bid ate 250,000 gold of mine about 30 minutes ago and so far refused to spit it back out. As I only possessed about 370k I have a pretty big sad now instead.  :heartbreak: :heartbreak:


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: apocrypha on June 08, 2012, 07:56:51 AM
I was just coming to post something similar.

Almost the instant they re-enabled commodity auctions the EU AH shat itself and hasn't worked properly since. Can't post auctions, can't send completed stuff to stash, can't buy anything.

Pile of monkey wank.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Miasma on June 08, 2012, 08:40:22 AM
The AH ate a bid of mine once and didn't give me the item.  It showed up once I bought something else though, try buying something for 100g.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Paelos on June 08, 2012, 08:42:52 AM
Pile of monkey wank.

HEY! Watch it.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Xanthippe on June 08, 2012, 09:13:46 AM
The auction house commodity bugs are still occurring.

Shitty shitty shitty design.

I wonder if the works are getting clogged up because of ah bots.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: 01101010 on June 08, 2012, 09:21:15 AM
Huge lag on the AH this morning... I tried dumping my coin I got from some sales over night into my wallet - Send to Stash greyed out and hung. Had to exit completely and relog to clear it. Luckily, it dumped the money to me instead of off into the nether.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Paelos on June 08, 2012, 09:24:44 AM
The auction house commodity bugs are still occurring.

Shitty shitty shitty design.

I wonder if the works are getting clogged up because of ah bots.

My guess is that the works are getting clogged up by people like myself who are trying to unload an entire stashes worth of gems we couldn't sell over the last 3 weeks.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Xanthippe on June 08, 2012, 09:37:53 AM
Why unload them on auction? Create a mule, put them on the mule, and keep them until 1.0.3 when crafting costs go so far down you'll be able to make them into usable gems for a fraction of what it currently costs.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Paelos on June 08, 2012, 09:47:47 AM
Oh I'm not selling them. I'm just saying I have a shitton of gems like everybody else.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: apocrypha on June 08, 2012, 12:01:25 PM
Pile of monkey wank.

HEY! Watch it.

Lol  :awesome_for_real:

Why unload them on auction? Create a mule, put them on the mule, and keep them until 1.0.3 when crafting costs go so far down you'll be able to make them into usable gems for a fraction of what it currently costs.

I have to admit that I am feeling aggrieved that I still have to create mules. It was one of the things that I was very pleased was supposedly gone with the shared stash. If only it wasn't so stupidly small!


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Jimbo on June 10, 2012, 02:46:00 PM
Can I borrow 3 to 5 million gold please?  I have found some -18 level required level weapons, and would make my barbarian rock!  It would take me from 72 damage up to 720 damage if I can scrape up 5,000,000.

Is the best way to make gold doing act 1 runs where the crypts are and bashing all the jars, while having extra gold items?  I'm only in nightmare, but I could figure out how to do that...(the tabs aren't there like on diablo 2 on the way points).


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: MuffinMan on June 10, 2012, 02:48:41 PM
You have to use the Change Quest button on the character select screen now to change Acts. I think I remember reading about a change to how much gold drops from ash urns, may have been hotfixed.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Jimbo on June 10, 2012, 03:55:29 PM
Thanks MM, yeah just found the patch note, says it won't drop as  much from the urns.  The bashing items has really sucked for gold or items or heck mobs too.  But I'm gonna see if my idea will fly with extra gold and run act 1 nightmare and see how it does.  Oh and figured out how to change quest/act/difficulty and how to do advanced set up on my character too, maybe no more cramped left hand!! 


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: 01101010 on June 10, 2012, 05:04:36 PM
You have to use the Change Quest button on the character select screen now to change Acts. I think I remember reading about a change to how much gold drops from ash urns, may have been hotfixed.

Hotfix'd read: completely taken out of the game. I just ran that part in Inferno, nothing dropped out of the urns at all.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Phry on June 10, 2012, 06:13:30 PM
Is there duping going on already?  Was looking for a necklace with dex/attack speed there were about 20 with the exact same stat, all for the same price, with the same time left on auction..


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: K9 on June 10, 2012, 07:09:25 PM
Must have been from a vendor; sometimes you'll roll a ring/neck on one of them that's not terrible. Assuming it was a magic neck, not rare.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Miasma on June 10, 2012, 07:52:57 PM
Might be one of the craftables and the guy cranked out a bunch.  There is also a rumour that there is some way to crash the game while crafting if you don't make the best quality item and try again with your mats saved but I don't know how legit it is.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: K9 on June 11, 2012, 11:39:15 AM
You can't craft jewellery


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Merusk on June 11, 2012, 11:49:35 AM
Is there duping going on already?  Was looking for a necklace with dex/attack speed there were about 20 with the exact same stat, all for the same price, with the same time left on auction..

I would be shocked if there weren't.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: statisticalfool on June 11, 2012, 11:56:11 AM
Yeah, this is buying from the vendor.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Jeff Kelly on June 12, 2012, 03:02:54 AM
There is massive duping going on right now. People can easily roll back auctions and get refunds by simply turning back the local clock. (That's so 1998).

Don't buy anything from the AH right now, you might lose the purchase and your money.

I don't know if they already hotfixed the issue


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ironwood on June 12, 2012, 03:04:38 AM
The local clock ?  Seriously ?


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Maledict on June 12, 2012, 03:34:59 AM
Cancel times for the AH are for some inane reason linked to the local clock. Some programmer must be feeling damn stupid right now at Blizzard.

There are screenshots, stories and rumours about this being exploited to dupe gold and items, but so far I can't actually find a video of the dupe happening. There are screenshots and videos of people running round with insane aborts of gold, but that's easily done by changing the number of your character sheet on the client (won't actually let you spend the gold in game). Blizzard are saying there is no dupe and hasn't been any duping - whether or not that's true is another matter. Bashiok has been quite... forthright with people In calling the out on this and saying it doesn't exist.

Rumour and intrigue!


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Jeff Kelly on June 12, 2012, 04:44:09 AM
There are also videos and reports of people having lost huge amounts of money on the AH (one of the guys that videologs his hardcore runs lost 4 million gold)

and yes it's the local clock. Blizzard obviously has forgotten everything they've learned in the last 7 years.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Maledict on June 12, 2012, 06:20:32 AM
I don't think it's a case of forgetting - using the system clock in that respect is clearly a mistake. No-one would EVER use it for that purpose deliberately. Am betting it was done as a quick fix early on in development and the forgotten about.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ironwood on June 12, 2012, 06:26:31 AM
lol.

So they didn't forget, they just forgot ?


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Shatter on June 12, 2012, 07:39:09 AM
So took em how many years to develop and launch this title and within the first month we have seen more exploits, duping, account hax etc combined with out of control bots that arent being banned that have accumlatively decimated the AH which is a key function of the game for Inferno progression(at least to get past Act II).  Someone at Blizzard needs to be throat punched, probably a few people actually.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ironwood on June 12, 2012, 07:40:42 AM
But always online gaming will solve these problems.

 :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: 01101010 on June 12, 2012, 08:25:19 AM
But always online gaming will solve these problems.

 :why_so_serious:

Always?  :why_so_serious:

And yeah... the AH is completely out of control for level 60s gear. Every 1h weapon above 1k dps has a price so far from reality, I am wondering if I am playing a different game. Armor is a tad better, but you still get the WTF dumb inflated prices on some of the VIT and +all Resist stuff. I get that those pieces are in demand, but not XX millions. I am very curious as to what happens if and when the RMTAH goes online. 


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Xanthippe on June 12, 2012, 08:52:36 AM
The Korean servers were down all weekend, which led to much Korean rage on the NA forums. Many people claimed the servers were taken down due to massive duping. Who knows what the truth of the matter is - I wouldn't trust Blizzard's word on this (or much of anything else at this point).

How the mighty have fallen.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Maledict on June 12, 2012, 12:02:59 PM
lol.

So they didn't forget, they just forgot ?


Gods that was badly written by me! ;-)

They didn't forget basic programming rules. They did a quick fix early on and then forgot it existed. I absolutely refuse to believe on any level that tying the AH expiry date to the system clock was a decision that was signed off and agreed on. You dont need any experiance at all to realise what a catastrophic decision that is!


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ingmar on June 12, 2012, 01:08:09 PM
Last time we thought there was something going on (the session hijacking) it turned out to be bullshit rumor, so I'll wait for proof before I worry about it. Easy for me to say, though, I'm not operating up in the millions of gold per item zone of the auction house.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: KallDrexx on June 12, 2012, 01:51:43 PM
Well the real money auction house is live.  Amazing items for $3


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Paelos on June 12, 2012, 01:56:05 PM
Profits!


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ironwood on June 12, 2012, 02:11:19 PM
Heh.  Decide to see it.  Switch servers.  "PATCH NEEDED".  CRASH.  CRASH.  CRASH.

Fuck me sideways.

Switched back to Euro.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: MuffinMan on June 12, 2012, 02:25:21 PM
Ah, forgot that today is the day for that. :popcorn:


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ice Cream Emperor on June 12, 2012, 02:30:01 PM

Thought about selling my sweet legendary belt, but I see that 11 pages worth of people have already had the same idea!

1622 DPS 2-handers can be yours for only $250...


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: 01101010 on June 12, 2012, 02:30:33 PM
1622 DPS 2-handers can be yours for only $250...

What?  :ye_gods: :ye_gods:


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ingmar on June 12, 2012, 02:31:46 PM
I wonder how far off most of the prices are from where they'll eventually settle? If you could predict which things are underpriced in the initial flurry and will sell for much more later...


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on June 12, 2012, 02:42:13 PM
Can't you buy gold too? really need to look at that as a good indicator.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: statisticalfool on June 12, 2012, 02:51:33 PM
Huh. I can't check right now, but what's the minimum RM price on a non-crap Stormshield? That seems like a good way to gauge the price of end game items.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Rokal on June 12, 2012, 02:58:12 PM
Lowest price for ok Stormshields is ~$30 atm. I see that they appear to be selling at that amount too.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: statisticalfool on June 12, 2012, 03:14:37 PM
And ok stormshields are what, $10m? $15m? in gold? With that price only going to go up, quickly? Assuming you farm at 400K/hour, which is kind of pretty darn efficient, that's about 20-30 hours of work. Is it reasonable to think about  paying $1/hr to remove that block? Probably.

I can't wait to see how high everything spikes on the gold AH: my guess is that endgame stuff is going to double or treble overnight.



Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Mrbloodworth on June 12, 2012, 03:20:27 PM
Thats to much god dam money. Fools shall soon be parted.

(http://gamecomments.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/diablo-likes-money1.jpg?w=632)


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: ezrast on June 12, 2012, 03:26:41 PM
So, uh, the message "Your account has been blocked from using the Real Money Auction House by parental controls. Please contact Customer Service if you believe this was done in error." isn't normal then?


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: MuffinMan on June 12, 2012, 03:27:46 PM
Not unless you were grounded recently.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: 01101010 on June 12, 2012, 03:30:34 PM
RMAH requires authenticator as well...

Really thought RMAH would reduce the cost of the AH items by having another avenue to pursue items... completely forgot about buying sums of money. Wonder how long till RNG kills my drive to play.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: ezrast on June 12, 2012, 03:31:41 PM
Ah. Guess I'll finally be giving in on that, then.

edit: incorrect. I just had to find the parental controls and turn the RMAH on manually, even though I don't think I'd ever messed with them before.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: MuffinMan on June 12, 2012, 03:34:55 PM
And ok stormshields are what, $10m? $15m? in gold?
:uhrr:


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: statisticalfool on June 12, 2012, 03:47:14 PM
Are they not? I've only been paying attention to the HC AH. I mean, somebody price check an okay to reasonable gold-based Stormshield.

Other than people savvy enough to flip between the two market, if you find some totally awesome end game item, which market are you going to list it onto? The supply for the gold AH is going to dry up, and the inflationary nature of gold is going to skyrocket.



Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: MuffinMan on June 12, 2012, 03:59:03 PM
$10m in gold is A LOT of gold.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ingmar on June 12, 2012, 04:00:04 PM
You're reading him wrong, probably because of the unnecessary dollar sign. 10 million gold, not 10 million dollars, in gold.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: MuffinMan on June 12, 2012, 04:00:50 PM
Oh I'm reading it correctly, I'm just being an asshole. :grin:


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: calapine on June 12, 2012, 04:22:24 PM
RMAH requires authenticator as well...

Really thought RMAH would reduce the cost of the AH items by having another avenue to pursue items... completely forgot about buying sums of money. Wonder how long till RNG kills my drive to play.

Well, I am actually afraid of RMAH killing GAH as most people will list their "good" stuff for dollars. :/


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Threash on June 12, 2012, 04:41:35 PM
Well apparently my weapon is worth about 30 bucks, hrrm tempting.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Llyse on June 12, 2012, 04:44:33 PM
Are the servers up?! I can't login..  :heartbreak:


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Threash on June 12, 2012, 04:48:36 PM
It is extremely laggy right now.  Probably pointless to login if you actually want to play.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Amaron on June 12, 2012, 04:56:12 PM
15% fee to use paypal and another $1 on top of that.   :tantrum:

Guess it's not going to stop me from selling my old monk weapon for $50 though.    Problem is I can't get it to go through.   It sends me the stupid SMS code and I submit it but it just does nothing and finally fails to auction.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Threash on June 12, 2012, 05:16:03 PM
I wonder how the hardcore market will shake out.  On one hand equipment is much more important but on the other it goes poof if you die.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Amaron on June 12, 2012, 05:22:27 PM
There's no RMAH for hardcore.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Llyse on June 12, 2012, 05:29:14 PM
Just a note if you like to use the Queen's English go to here to avoid patch looping:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5271606686  :uhrr:


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: trias_e on June 12, 2012, 06:11:02 PM
Some thoughts after loading up the RMAH today.

I think the $0.25/100k gold pricing floor is going to be a problem pretty quick.  That's a floor of $2.5/million, and from what I read gold on third party auction sites is already only at $5/million.  When everyone floods the market when the RMAH commodities opens up gold will hit that threshold quickly and then cease to be sold.  At that point the RMAH will be the only place to go for all the really good items, and the gold auction house will be a ghetto of mediocre stuff selling at big gold prices.  This is probably an inevitability eventually, but setting a floor like they have should just make it happen much faster. 

There's also going to be a big black market for the absolute top tier items that have a real value of over $250.  Perfectly rolled weapons and other key slots will be worth much more than that.  Although exactly how much more is hard to say, but, well, take a look at this not-perfect but rather good life on hit weapon:  http://www.ebay.de/itm/251081594866?_trksid=p5197.c0.m619&autorefresh=true#ht_582wt_1139


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: 01101010 on June 12, 2012, 06:18:21 PM
I checked out the RMAH. I just can't wrap my head around real money value for these items. In game gold pieces, sure... fake shit for fake shit is fine with me. But departing with $30 or $60 or $100+ real dollars for an item? I see the value in a subscription given I am paying for playtime. Items? Not so much.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Xanthippe on June 12, 2012, 11:14:15 PM
I'd pay real money for fluff (a buck or two for a dress or a pet) but not for items to help me in the game. It rubs me the wrong way.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ghambit on June 13, 2012, 12:20:00 AM
Woohoo!  Made $5 today.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Amaron on June 13, 2012, 04:50:34 AM
I checked out the RMAH. I just can't wrap my head around real money value for these items. In game gold pieces, sure... fake shit for fake shit is fine with me. But departing with $30 or $60 or $100+ real dollars for an item?

What's even more amusing is the value of these items is going to drop like a rock when 1.3 hits.   I suspect even in a few days the prices will drop drastically.    Right now it's just a glut of people who didn't want to use 3rd party gold sellers.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Jeff Kelly on June 13, 2012, 05:27:12 AM
BTW RMAH is US only at the moment.

Forum post states that "We will be rolling out the RMAH for each region individually, date for EU will be announced soon"

So the rest of the world will have to wait a while longer, which might be a good thing if people weren't already hoarding top notch items in the hopes of selling them for real money.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Xanthippe on June 13, 2012, 09:58:25 AM
So the RMAH is a completely separate auction house than the gold one?

Oooooooooh. I thought that we would have an option between using gold or money to purchase items, I didn't realize it meant two separate auction houses.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Paelos on June 13, 2012, 10:01:23 AM
Have they allowed selling gold yet?


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: statisticalfool on June 13, 2012, 10:02:32 AM
There's a "buy/sell gold" option on the RMAH (not enabled yet), so you will be able to convert (somewhat inefficiently).

If (and it's a big if) that the flood of gold will take the price down to the minimum of $0.25 per 100K, then there's some serious arbitrage to be done between the auction houses.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: 01101010 on June 13, 2012, 10:06:20 AM
Does posting an item on the RMAH cost you anything? Not the cut they take, but a posting/listing fee?

I have not read anything on the RMAH and really do not care to even play with it.



Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Reg on June 13, 2012, 10:10:31 AM
If having the RMAH means that all the good stuff will disappear from the regular AH then that's pretty much the end of the game for me.  Bring on Torshlight 2!


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ghambit on June 13, 2012, 10:53:17 AM
If having the RMAH means that all the good stuff will disappear from the regular AH then that's pretty much the end of the game for me.  Bring on Torshlight 2!

If you look at the real money just as you would gold, then there's absolutely no difference.  You make some, you spend some.
The problem lies in the gold exchange.  People like yourself who prefer to spend gold on good RMAH items will have to deal with that market via selling your gold.

I dont think it's really going to be an issue though.  There's so much gear and so many people playing that really, it's not a problem unless you're just swooning over something you just had to have from the rmah.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: statisticalfool on June 13, 2012, 11:03:03 AM
Yeah. Assuming the gold market is sufficiently liquid, then it's just AH price * current gold/dollars rate + a 15% transaction fee to buy a RMAH item.


Which means that now you have to check two terribly designed auction houses for a good deal.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Threash on June 13, 2012, 11:04:36 AM
Does posting an item on the RMAH cost you anything? Not the cut they take, but a posting/listing fee?

I have not read anything on the RMAH and really do not care to even play with it.



No it doesn't.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Raknor on June 13, 2012, 11:12:56 AM
I ordered a digital copy of Diablo 3 and I'm locked out of the RMAH for 3 days.. Some what annoying even if I only wanted to browse.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: KallDrexx on June 13, 2012, 11:37:55 AM
If you look at the real money just as you would gold, then there's absolutely no difference.  You make some, you spend some.
The problem lies in the gold exchange.  People like yourself who prefer to spend gold on good RMAH items will have to deal with that market via selling your gold.

I dont think it's really going to be an issue though.  There's so much gear and so many people playing that really, it's not a problem unless you're just swooning over something you just had to have from the rmah.

The problem with that is you (I think) you need to hook up your bank account (via paypal) to blizzard before you can sell an item on the RMAH.  So if you want to deal only in gold (and I def don't trust paypal with my bank account, let alone blizzard) then you are probably SOL for doing this.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Phred on June 13, 2012, 12:54:16 PM
If having the RMAH means that all the good stuff will disappear from the regular AH then that's pretty much the end of the game for me.  Bring on Torshlight 2!

If you look at the real money just as you would gold, then there's absolutely no difference.  You make some, you spend some.
The problem lies in the gold exchange.  People like yourself who prefer to spend gold on good RMAH items will have to deal with that market via selling your gold.

I dont think it's really going to be an issue though.  There's so much gear and so many people playing that really, it's not a problem unless you're just swooning over something you just had to have from the rmah.

Plus the fact you can't sell anything without buying an authenticator.



Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Amaron on June 13, 2012, 01:24:15 PM
The problem with that is you (I think) you need to hook up your bank account (via paypal) to blizzard before you can sell an item on the RMAH.  So if you want to deal only in gold (and I def don't trust paypal with my bank account, let alone blizzard) then you are probably SOL for doing this.

Do you actually need a bank account tied to paypal to accept payments?


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: ezrast on June 13, 2012, 01:25:48 PM
Nope - you can keep your real money earnings in your Battle.net Balance (read: only spendable on Blizzard stuff) without linking any financial info. Even if you want actual money from it, Blizzard wants nothing at all to do with your banking information - they only let you cash out to Paypal; you then have to deal with Paypal in order to get the money into your bank (which they will charge another fee for, of course).


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: 01101010 on June 13, 2012, 01:43:14 PM
So I can drop some stuff up on the RMAH and set a "real" price to it and if it sells, I get that money in a battle.net balance linked to my account to be used on the RMAH or other bliz stuff (from what I read)? If I want the cash, THEN I have to linke a paypal account up to battle.net and offload the cash to my paypal/bank account for a fee? If I do not want, I can let the battle.net balance continue to accumulate just as my gold coins do on the other AH? FFS, I need a manual for this with multiple appendices.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: murdoc on June 13, 2012, 01:53:38 PM
If having the RMAH means that all the good stuff will disappear from the regular AH then that's pretty much the end of the game for me.  Bring on Torshlight 2!

If you look at the real money just as you would gold, then there's absolutely no difference.  You make some, you spend some.
The problem lies in the gold exchange.  People like yourself who prefer to spend gold on good RMAH items will have to deal with that market via selling your gold.

I dont think it's really going to be an issue though.  There's so much gear and so many people playing that really, it's not a problem unless you're just swooning over something you just had to have from the rmah.

Plus the fact you can't sell anything without buying an authenticator.



There's an app for that.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Paelos on June 13, 2012, 01:54:44 PM
My idea for the blizzard account is to use D3 to finance my purchase of MoP and/or any sub time I might need to try it out.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on June 13, 2012, 02:00:36 PM
My idea for the blizzard account is to use D3 to finance my purchase of MoP and/or any sub time I might need to try it out.

The only reason I'll be playing in inferno.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: ezrast on June 13, 2012, 03:41:15 PM
So I can drop some stuff up on the RMAH and set a "real" price to it and if it sells, I get that money in a battle.net balance linked to my account to be used on the RMAH or other bliz stuff (from what I read)? If I want the cash, THEN I have to linke a paypal account up to battle.net and offload the cash to my paypal/bank account for a fee? If I do not want, I can let the battle.net balance continue to accumulate just as my gold coins do on the other AH? FFS, I need a manual for this with multiple appendices.
When you create an auction you can have the proceeds go directly to your Paypal and skip the B.net Balance step entirely. Otherwise, yes.

Note that using your B.net Balance requires an authenticator while linking a Paypal account requires SMS alerts. I think you can go without an authenticator entirely if you do everything through Paypal.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: trias_e on June 13, 2012, 06:08:18 PM
Put up all my main DH gear on the RMAH (still have an MF/GF set that does fine in act 1 inferno that I can use) and sold 4 pieces for roughly 55 bucks return total.  Still have 7 up there.  We'll see if they sell, but at the least I'll have paid for the game which is actually kind of a nice feeling.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Llyse on June 13, 2012, 07:38:09 PM
What act did your DH get to in Inferno?


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Cheddar on June 13, 2012, 07:43:53 PM
Can the Blizzbucks or whatever the hell they are called be applied to a WoW subscription?


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: trias_e on June 13, 2012, 08:06:02 PM
What act did your DH get to in Inferno?

I was in act 3 and doing decently but not great. The end of act 2 was pretty rough as well.  Unfortunately I didn't have any really valuable pieces.  Pretty much all my gear was right around a million per slot which doesn't have great value on the RMAH.  But still not bad.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Amaron on June 13, 2012, 08:52:47 PM
Can the Blizzbucks or whatever the hell they are called be applied to a WoW subscription?

That's their master plan here.  Lock everyone's cash into blizz credit to buy WoW subs and future Blizzard games.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: calapine on June 14, 2012, 11:38:06 AM
I suppose this is the proper thread for it:

What are you gold earning schemes?

I know of:

A) Areat crater (before Azmodan) run on NM. Takes about 2 minutes each. (c)gimpy

B) Siegebreaker runs on Hell (or Inferno for those you can do it)

What else is there?


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Tairnyn on June 14, 2012, 07:33:29 PM
Can the Blizzbucks or whatever the hell they are called be applied to a WoW subscription?

That's their master plan here.  Lock everyone's cash into blizz credit to buy WoW subs and future Blizzard games.

Actually, I was unpleasantly surprised to find out the battle.net balance can not be applied to your WoW subscription.

http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/battle-net-balance-frequently-asked-questions-faq#purchase

Made me kind of glad my stuff didn't sell.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Amaron on June 14, 2012, 08:51:24 PM
That's just bizarre.   You'd think they'd at least add game time cards to the online store or something.   Doesn't seem like you can prepurchase MoP with it either?


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Llyse on June 14, 2012, 09:09:39 PM
I suppose this is the proper thread for it:

What are you gold earning schemes?

I know of:

A) Areat crater (before Azmodan) run on NM. Takes about 2 minutes each. (c)gimpy

B) Siegebreaker runs on Hell (or Inferno for those you can do it)

What else is there?

I think Butcher runs in Act 1 Inferno seem to be the norm. I like hurting myself so I'm slowly progressing in Act 3 Inferno when I'm not running random Act 3 Hell runs for exp and gold


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Lantyssa on June 14, 2012, 10:09:11 PM
That's just bizarre.   You'd think they'd at least add game time cards to the online store or something.   Doesn't seem like you can prepurchase MoP with it either?
Instead you have to buy an item off the AH with it.  For 15% + $1.  Or cash out, for a fee.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: gimpyone on June 15, 2012, 01:59:16 AM
The new gold run I've seen bandied about is doing each level of the crater on hell or nightmare, starting with level 3. Nightmare is fast but hell can drop more gold/gems.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: apocrypha on June 15, 2012, 02:13:41 AM
Anything short that becomes a common "run" will just get nerfed. They seem totally intent on forcing entire Act runs as the norm and any other option people try will get stomped on.

RMAH has just gone live this morning on the EU side. Very little on it so far, and no gold as yet, so it's impossible to really tell if it's having an effect on the GAH.

I feel kinda stumped until 1.0.3 hits. I've pretty much hit a wall halfway through Act 2, I don't seem to be able to earn more than about 200k/hour (and that's only if I manage to sell a few drops) and I need 2+ million per slot to upgrade my gear.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ironwood on June 15, 2012, 03:03:07 AM
I don't seem to be able to earn more than about 200k/hour (and that's only if I manage to sell a few drops) and I need 2+ million per slot to upgrade my gear.

This has stopped being a game for you.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: calapine on June 15, 2012, 04:52:46 AM
I think Butcher runs in Act 1 Inferno seem to be the norm. I like hurting myself so I'm slowly progressing in Act 3 Inferno when I'm not running random Act 3 Hell runs for exp and gold

I have been doing some warden-butcher runs, mostly for gear upgrades rather than gold farming, and unless I am doing something terribly wrong the incoming isn't anything special. Definitely far less than what gimpyone suggested (crater levels at hell).


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: JRave on June 15, 2012, 05:59:30 AM
The new gold run I've seen bandied about is doing each level of the crater on hell or nightmare, starting with level 3. Nightmare is fast but hell can drop more gold/gems.

They are doing nightmare so they can stack enough gold find gear and still clear the run fast.   Some are running solely +GF and gf/health globe radius on pieces of gear with little to no stats.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: apocrypha on June 15, 2012, 06:57:27 AM
This has stopped being a game for you.


And this is the point at which companies trying to find more and more ways to generate income from games breaks them.

I enjoy progressing, which means getting further in Inferno for me now. But I can't progress in Inferno without spending hours farming gold to buy gear, which isn't fun after the 2nd or 3rd over-leveled, gold-find-stacked, melt-everything run through Nightmare, so they can fuck off tbh.

Every single decision made by Blizzard now is going to be determined by "does it make people use the RMAH?". At least with a monthly sub model the decisions are, mostly, based on "does it make people enjoy the game more and therefore keep playing?".


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Lantyssa on June 15, 2012, 08:49:14 AM
No one saw that coming.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ghambit on June 15, 2012, 11:39:15 AM
I think a big part of the problem is the lack of decent gear drops.  Once you get a high-valued piece of gear (rare or hopefully legendary), it becomes fairly easy to flip those findings into a decent revenue stream that's enough to keep yourself upgraded.

I got lucky and found 2 legendaries in Hell and stole another off the AH for cheap.  None were particularly useful but they all enabled me to stay enough ahead of the curve to keep my wallet fed and my gear viable.  Unfortunately I dumped one of them for way too cheap.

Also, knowing what you paid for something is extremely important.  People gimp themselves when they buy an important piece of gear only to resell it on the AH much cheaper.  At least try to break-even if you can, that way if you're in a low demand 'sector' of the game you can flip the sale into better gear, and on and on.

Inferno play is pretty much dependent on AH/RMAH meta unless you're a broken-minded gold grinder.  I'd rather take my chances looking for great gear off bosses tbh, as it's the most fun.  Regardless, if you're smart and patient you can play the economy-game and do just fine.



Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: naum on June 15, 2012, 11:59:32 AM
I still get the message "You must wait 3 days…" in lieu of that I purchased the "digital" product when I click on the RMAH button…


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ironwood on June 15, 2012, 12:24:34 PM

a decent revenue stream


Seriously, what the fuck is coming next ?  Talking about your Legendary Item Marketing Channels ?

Fuck me.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Fabricated on June 15, 2012, 12:34:01 PM
None of this sounds very fun.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Rokal on June 15, 2012, 12:35:33 PM
Every single decision made by Blizzard now is going to be determined by "does it make people use the RMAH?". At least with a monthly sub model the decisions are, mostly, based on "does it make people enjoy the game more and therefore keep playing?".

1.0.3 changes will not make them more money in the RMAH. More people will progress through Inferno and better gear will drop in a wider range of areas. Keeping the game exactly as it is now (brick-wall difficulty jump requiring tedious grinding or RMAH) would have been the best way for Blizzard to drive people to the RMAH.

If they still make the 1.0.3 changes, it shows me that they aren't solely concerned with RMAH revenue.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Lightstalker on June 15, 2012, 01:21:37 PM
Unless they are concerned the brick wall effect will drive more users away (and away from the RMAH) than those remaining users will spend on the RMAH...

Don't hurt yourself thinking too hard about what Blizzard will or will not do regarding anything.  The Left Hand of the RMAH probably has no idea what the Right Hand of Patch Notes is doing, they probably aren't even connected to the same Torso of Management.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Mrbloodworth on June 15, 2012, 01:39:28 PM
That can't be the case, as much of this system appears to be designed to filter through the AH/RMAH.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ghambit on June 15, 2012, 01:48:39 PM
That can't be the case, as much of this system appears to be designed to filter through the AH/RMAH.

This.
How much gear drops matters very little when it's not gear you can use.  It's not like you're raiding a bossmob who you KNOW will drop at least 1 setpiece of usable arcane gear.   The odds are really against a player EVER finding something of use post-normal... which means AH/RMAH or you cant finish Inferno.

1.03 kinda addresses this by changing the item lvls in Inferno, but that's as far as it goes.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Amaron on June 15, 2012, 05:30:58 PM
I'm still a bit doubtful they can maintain any kind of decent revenue stream from the RMAH.   It's too easy to bot in this game.   Prices are going to drop like rocks and people will ask themselves why they are even playing if they can buy a super amazing set of gear for 10 bucks.

If they want to make money off the RMAH they'll have to add more content with more gear checks.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Paelos on June 15, 2012, 08:44:45 PM
They either have to add more content or make more ways for gear to work it's way out of the system.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ghambit on June 15, 2012, 09:14:52 PM
Non-repairable gear.  Fin.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Job601 on June 15, 2012, 10:25:29 PM
They either have to add more content or make more ways for gear to work it's way out of the system.

The problem is in the thread title.  Crafting sucks, so nobody salvages items or spends gold to build them.  It's supposed to be the gold sink and the item sink.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: SurfD on June 16, 2012, 01:22:12 AM
They either have to add more content or make more ways for gear to work it's way out of the system.

The problem is in the thread title.  Crafting sucks, so nobody salvages items or spends gold to build them.  It's supposed to be the gold sink and the item sink.
Well, if you are willing to upgrade your blacksmith to level 10, and then buy the Item with 6 random properties Patterns for ungodly gold amounts (gold sink) and then craft them for attempts at perfect gear (item sink) then it will work that way.  The problem is, step 1 of that process is set at WAY too high a bar.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Arinon on June 16, 2012, 02:56:26 AM
Pretty sure the top patterns the blacksmith can use are one step down from the best item types that can drop.  For X-bows the best pattern I see is 6 property Doomcaster but Hellion Crossbow has the highest base damage.

If that's true I don't see the blacksmith being a large outlet for gold/items.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Merusk on June 16, 2012, 09:50:02 AM
That would also follow the philosophy of WoW-loot.  Sure, you can craft epics but the drops are typically better, leaving the craftables as only a gap-filler.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Amaron on June 16, 2012, 02:25:04 PM
The problem is in the thread title.  Crafting sucks, so nobody salvages items or spends gold to build them.  It's supposed to be the gold sink and the item sink.

The pattern for good gloves was going for 50 million as soon as the commodities came back up.    The reason gold isn't inflating further is definitely because people are making Helms of Command/Gloves and a couple other things.

The gold sink works basically but the real problem is the item sink doesn't.    It's useless to have an item sink that only destroys trash items.   That's just vendor trash in the first place.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: JRave on June 16, 2012, 02:37:46 PM
Pretty sure the top patterns the blacksmith can use are one step down from the best item types that can drop.  For X-bows the best pattern I see is 6 property Doomcaster but Hellion Crossbow has the highest base damage.

If that's true I don't see the blacksmith being a large outlet for gold/items.

The top crafted weapons can still be good.  I've seen people make 1k dps 1 handers with it.  That being said the top ilvl dropped weapons can be better of course.  But you have to get lucky and roll a drop for that top item, then get lucky with the stats.  Compared to the crafted ones where once you have that pattern you just need to roll for stats.

That said the really good stuff is the crafted armor.  Base armor on the gear might be lower than the top ilvl pieces but the stats can really make up for that 100-200 less base armor.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Miasma on June 17, 2012, 05:54:46 PM
I can't google an answer so I need to ask, is buying gold off of the rmah disabled?  Because it never comes up with anything for me.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Amaron on June 17, 2012, 06:00:57 PM
I can't google an answer so I need to ask, is buying gold off of the rmah disabled?  Because it never comes up with anything for me.

Yea I guess they figured turning it on would melt their servers as people spammed it trying to wait for the lowest price.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Malakili on July 08, 2012, 01:17:21 PM
I've been using /trade a bunch lately and it is interesting.  You can sell off unidentified level 63 rares for a pretty penny right now.  A few hundred thousand a piece.  Obviously you could ID and maybe get that huge item worth millions, but in my experience they end up being worth less than what I am getting un-ided.   It is basically just player run gambling vendor, when I think about it.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: schild on July 08, 2012, 04:28:48 PM
I am so going to start doing that.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: waffel on July 08, 2012, 05:00:36 PM
Just for reference... how the AH looked in 2008:





Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Malakili on July 08, 2012, 05:27:54 PM
Yea, not sure why that didn't make it in. 


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Paelos on July 08, 2012, 05:33:49 PM
Dear god, that's so much better than the actual AH.

 :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Miasma on July 08, 2012, 06:25:43 PM
There was an AH in the last diablo?  That also had a real money component?  I don't think so, so I don't get the joke.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: waffel on July 08, 2012, 06:32:05 PM
There was an AH in the last diablo?  That also had a real money component?  I don't think so, so I don't get the joke.

Not really a joke. I actually had the time wrong, that screenshot was from 2011, at GamesCom, where Jay Wilson was describing D3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBYVpfte6UE&feature=player_detailpage#t=222s


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Malakili on July 08, 2012, 06:37:33 PM
There was an AH in the last diablo?  That also had a real money component?  I don't think so, so I don't get the joke.

There is no joke, it is, apparently, a screenshot from an old build.  The UI is far superior to the current one for reasons unknown.

I have a sick feeling they like the idea of searching with only 3 parameters because it forces you to look for the good items rather than just get PRECISELY the item you want every time.  Perhaps they think it helps there be a market for a wider variety of items.   This is speculation, I'm really just trying to justify in some way how they could've ended up with what we have no.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Paelos on July 08, 2012, 09:09:27 PM
My guess is that it was taking too long to query the database and/or sucking up too much computing power with more parameters. It probably increased lag, so they cut it.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ice Cream Emperor on July 08, 2012, 10:21:16 PM

I guess I have no idea how databases work, but shouldn't each additional term require exponentially less computation power/server load? It has to filter fewer and fewer entries. Unless there is some way that databases apply filter terms simultaneously, instead of sequentially, but uh...  :headscratch:

My vote is for incredibly stupid decision-making, in the 'if we don't let them search properly then they will buy crappier items by accident! Market inefficiency creates additional transactions! I think fucking with people when real money is involved will actually somehow increase their trust and engagement with the system in question! I should be fired and/or executed by firing squad!' sort of vein.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ingmar on July 08, 2012, 11:10:05 PM
My guess is that it was taking too long to query the database and/or sucking up too much computing power with more parameters. It probably increased lag, so they cut it.

This. We saw how even the commodity searches would bring the thing to its knees, limiting the number of fields in the search almost certainly is done for similar reasons.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: schild on July 08, 2012, 11:32:47 PM
Captain Obvious here:

Same number of queries as is currently available. Only we get a Min-Value option now instead of 3 extra stats. X where X is > Y 3 times is the same as has A, B, C, D, E, and F as values without a stat attached. Possibly even a slower query.

Diablo 3 is the definition of over-designed.

At least, as a layman that first part seems obvious.

Edit: Hell, we also have options for level range (not just level) and a full rarity spectrum.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ingmar on July 08, 2012, 11:37:49 PM
Yeah of course - I didn't even notice the value ranges were gone.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Llyse on July 08, 2012, 11:55:59 PM
Captain Obvious here:

Same number of queries as is currently available. Only we get a Min-Value option now instead of 3 extra stats. X where X is > Y 3 times is the same as has A, B, C, D, E, and F as values without a stat attached. Possibly even a slower query.

Diablo 3 is the definition of over-designed.

At least, as a layman that first part seems obvious.

Edit: Hell, we also have options for level range (not just level) and a full rarity spectrum.

More fields are still needed since All Resist is a mandatory stat for Inferno...

Queries should be faster with more filters but I'm not sure if because of the amount of prefixes and random values for each one indexes might not be efficient...

Where's my full time DBA gone to?


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Miasma on July 09, 2012, 09:12:25 AM
Filters don't make database queries faster because that's what's doing the filtering work.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Salamok on July 09, 2012, 09:24:03 AM
Queries should be faster with more filters but I'm not sure if because of the amount of prefixes and random values for each one indexes might not be efficient...

Not positive (because they are pulling the page count from somewhere besides their ass) but pretty sure they are doing a limit on the results so if they are just grabbing 25 items per page view adding more filters isn't going to speed you up.  Also with the number of attributes possible on an item they could have some slow ass overly normalized meta-table design going on, if that is the case all of your preconceptions on what makes for a fast filter are probably wrong due to the joins involved.

That all said has anyone tried to take a peek behind the scenes with wireshark or something while browsing the AH?  I keep meaning to check and not getting around to it, my guess is it's encrypted but even if all you could extract were items you browsed it could still be handy to dump to a spreadsheet for additional sorting and filtering options.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Ice Cream Emperor on July 09, 2012, 05:28:50 PM
Filters don't make database queries faster because that's what's doing the filtering work.

The question was about running additional filters. It seems to me that after you filter for 1-hand weapons with +strength, adding a filter for +lifesteal should be less work than the initial +strength filter, etc. etc. Because you are sorting a smaller and smaller pool of qualifying items?

Either way having only 3 stats to filter by is horrible UI -- having a massive open market of goods and then actually making it impossible to easily perform arbitrage (because your tools for filtering are so poor) is really dumb.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Xanthippe on July 14, 2012, 02:11:12 PM
Can anyone explain to me why crafting materials sell on the AH for less on average than what a player can vendor blues/yellows?

Why do people break down the items rather than vendor them?



Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Rokal on July 14, 2012, 02:30:38 PM
Can anyone explain to me why crafting materials sell on the AH for less on average than what a player can vendor blues/yellows?

Why do people break down the items rather than vendor them?

There may be plenty of people out there that haven't yet realized that crafting is useless pre-60 and too expensive, or realize after breaking down thousands of items.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Malakili on July 14, 2012, 02:49:46 PM
Can anyone explain to me why crafting materials sell on the AH for less on average than what a player can vendor blues/yellows?

Why do people break down the items rather than vendor them?



Depends on the item.  I don't know what they are going for right now, but the exquisite essences were selling for ~1500 last week, so I was using that as my benchmark for whether or not to sell an item.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Phred on July 14, 2012, 05:45:00 PM
 nm.


Title: Re: PSA: Don't craft, use the AH
Post by: Abelian75 on July 14, 2012, 09:10:31 PM
There may be plenty of people out there that haven't yet realized that crafting is useless pre-60 and too expensive, or realize after breaking down thousands of items.

Certainly the case with me and my stash of a couple hundred of normal and nightmare tier blue crafting mats.