NFL 2012

[Ingmar]

What history, it started in 1999. 

[Sjofn]

You're such a jerk.

[Segoris]

Frank Caliendo is no longer part of the Fox pre-games, finally. 

[WayAbvPar]

I would rather sit through 10 minutes of Caliendo every week if it meant I didn't have to listen to Joe Buck drone on. God he is terrible. Lucky for me that the Seahawks are shitty enough to not draw the #1 crew very often.

[Paelos]

I'd rather listen to the dancing robot give commentary then either of them.

[ghost]

It's looking more and more like Kevin Kolb is going to be a huge bust.   He had a "bruised chest" and finished 1-4 for 4 yards with an intereception in their scrimmage against the Saints. 

[WayAbvPar]

 

[ghost]

That's one of the weirdest things I've ever seen. 

[ghost]

Wow.  Boomer Esiason completely annihilates Tim Tebow in these quotes. 

I honestly don't know why New York is screwing around with him at QB. 

[Ingmar]

Trying to attract more Chik-Fil-A franchises?

[ghost]

“You can say whatever you want about Tim Tebow,” said Esiason. “He played some of the worst football that any quarterback has ever played in the history of the game last year at times.”

 

[caladein]

In pure football terms, it's not insane.  Tebow is certainly a Top 5 QB for a goal line package.  Ideally, you'd also get a pretty good passer in the same player (read: Cam Newton), but the Jets don't have that option and Tebow was inexpensive to acquire.

As for actually running a football team, there's a lot of downsides and everyone's gone over them a million times.  Maybe Ryan figures he can ride those out and still reap the rewards of having... whatever he thinks Mark Sanchez actually is at QB AND a really good goal line offense, but I sort of doubt it.  The Jets majorly successful year came when they spent boatloads of money during the uncapped year.

[ghost]

Well, I guess Tebow may not be helping their "locker room issues". 

[sickrubik]

In pure football terms, it's not insane.  Tebow is certainly a Top 5 QB for a goal line package.  Ideally, you'd also get a pretty good passer in the same player (read: Cam Newton), but the Jets don't have that option and Tebow was inexpensive to acquire.

Tebows effectiveness dropped through the floor as the season progressed. They lost 3 straight at the end of the season. When you know his gimmick, it's easy to plan against with a halfway decent defense. Denver's D helped mask the Tebow crap quite a lot.

[ghost]

When you look at how Elway dealt with him it's easy to see what his thoughts about him were.  Sure they got Manning, but if they had their man they wouldn't have been looking for Manning.  I look for Tebow to be out of the league or a tight end in less than 2 years. 

[sickrubik]

When you look at how Elway dealt with him it's easy to see what his thoughts about him were.  Sure they got Manning, but if they had their man they wouldn't have been looking for Manning.  I look for Tebow to be out of the league or a tight end in less than 2 years. 

That would have to have been a great man. You pretty much try to get Manning no matter what. Orton was a good QB that got a bad rap for a team that was filled with issues. Unless you have one of the few quarterbacks that are upper tier. Elway handled everything really well, honestly. I was impressed. Hell, Manning was impressed with how things were being handled too, which is why he ended up there. (Broncos fan btw.)

[caladein]

In pure football terms, it's not insane.  Tebow is certainly a Top 5 QB for a goal line package.  Ideally, you'd also get a pretty good passer in the same player (read: Cam Newton), but the Jets don't have that option and Tebow was inexpensive to acquire.

Tebows effectiveness dropped through the floor as the season progressed. They lost 3 straight at the end of the season. When you know his gimmick, it's easy to plan against with a halfway decent defense. Denver's D helped mask the Tebow crap quite a lot.

Are you referring to goal line stuff or in general?  I agree with the latter completely, as any sane person would, Tebow as an every-down QB is a car crash in slow motion.

The numbers may back up both cases though, I haven't looked at them in an age.

[Tannhauser]

I think they'll use Tebow for stunts and trick plays.  Jets be crafty! *snerk*

[sickrubik]

In pure football terms, it's not insane.  Tebow is certainly a Top 5 QB for a goal line package.  Ideally, you'd also get a pretty good passer in the same player (read: Cam Newton), but the Jets don't have that option and Tebow was inexpensive to acquire.

Tebows effectiveness dropped through the floor as the season progressed. They lost 3 straight at the end of the season. When you know his gimmick, it's easy to plan against with a halfway decent defense. Denver's D helped mask the Tebow crap quite a lot.

Are you referring to goal line stuff or in general?  I agree with the latter completely, as any sane person would, Tebow as an every-down QB is a car crash in slow motion.

The numbers may back up both cases though, I haven't looked at them in an age.

Just looking at some simple stats. He was never OMG AMAZING scoring machine, he just had thrilling moments. People seem to think he was scoring TDs left and right, which he simply wasn't. The defense generally would keep the game within striking distance. When they faced a solid defense and offense is when they were exposed.

WEEK	PASS TDS	RUSH TDS	W/L
7	2	0	W
8	1	0	L
9	2	0	W
10	1	1	W
11	0	1	W
12	1	0	W
13	2	0	W
14	1	0	W
15	0	2	L
16	1	1	L
17	0	0	L

[ghost]

I would say that 80% of the teams considered if they could get Manning at least on some level.  I like the Broncos too, although I don't really have a "team" in the league.  

[ghost]

Looks like Cleveland is going with Weeden as their starter.  I'm expecting great results.   

[HaemishM]

There's about 5 QB's in the league you would never consider trying to replace with Peyton Manning this offseason. Tebow sure as fuck ain't one of them. He was a goddamn trainwreck as a QB who only won so many games on defense and trickeration. That Denver D was fucking SCARY good and will likely be better this year. Their offense stunk on ice and it wasn't just from Tebow's 47% completion percentage. Pittsburgh got caught in the playoffs overplaying the Tebow factor in OT with a defense that underachieved and a QB that was hurt all season long.

[Paelos]

I'll point to 3 games that let you & me know Tebow wasn't an NFL QB.

#1 - The 40-14 drubbing by the (at that point) hapless Buffalo Bills. Buffalo lost 8 of their last 9 games, but they beat the Broncos because Tebow threw 3 picks and the special teams was awful. Starting with the 2nd quarter, up by 7 mind you, the Broncos went 4&out, 4&out, 4&out, 4&out, TD pass, 4&out, INT, 4&out, Pick6, fumble6, INT, turnover on downs.

#2 - The 3-7 loss to the Chiefs the next week. The Chiefs were a walking wounded barely functional team by the latter half of the season, and they only scored one TD for the entire game, yet they still beat Tim Tebow. He only went 6-22 with 50 net yards, a pick, and a fumble. Were it not for McGahee rushing his ass off and burning clock, they wouldn't have even gotten the FG they did. Denver controlled the ball for 33m and got 3 points. That's wretched. ANYTHING from Tebow would have won that game.

#3 - The 45-10 asskicking by Detroit. Tebow passed for 117 net yards, got sacked 7 times, threw a pick, and would have gotten skunked if the Lions didn't let up a garbage time TD in the 4th. In their first possession, Tebow had the ball at Detroit's 21 and a fresh set of downs. The ball never moved and they settled for a FG. That was the best chance they got until the Lions were done with them. Tebow threw a pick six that went 100 yards from end zone to end zone in that game. He had a sack fumble TD in that game. There were over 7 times they went 4&out. It was unequivocally the worst QB performance I've ever seen out of anyone playing the game.

[HaemishM]

You forget to add that in #1, the Bills defense was pretty wretched all last year, especially at getting turnovers. It was so bad, they overpaid for Mario Williams to get him to help out. And in #3, you are forgetting that the Lions also had a notoriously shitty secondary last year. For #2, though, the Chiefs couldn't score any points but their defense actually gave Green Bay their only regular season loss last year - so they weren't totally as bad as the other 2 examples. But yeah, Tebow sucks.

Also, hey Way? How you like them T.O. apples?

God, the Seahawks are set to absolutely self-destruct this year.

[Draegan]

Yeah but Jesus.

[01101010]

Fucker is as old as me and runs a 40 in 4.45? holy shit that guy is still a freak.

[ghost]

Yeah, he ought to go well with Tarvaris Jackson.   

[sickrubik]

They signed him for the league minimum. Not exactly a terrible call given apparently how he performed in his workout. Also, it looks as if Matt Flynn will be the starter right now in Seattle. I would not be surprised if T Jax is up for trade by the time the season starts.

[Nevermore]

T.O. is locker room poison, though.  Has he ever been on a team where he didn't bad-mouth his own quarterback?

[Paelos]

T.O. is locker room poison, though.  Has he ever been on a team where he didn't bad-mouth his own quarterback?

Only if he was crying while praising them, first.

[Trippy]

T.O. is locker room poison, though.  Has he ever been on a team where he didn't bad-mouth his own quarterback?

Maybe the Niners when Steve Young was QB?

[01101010]

Who gives a shit, just look at who is coaching and you'll find your answer. (P.T. Barnum is getting jealous up in heaven or whatever his spirit ended up)

[Segoris]

They signed him for the league minimum. Not exactly a terrible call given apparently how he performed in his workout. Also, it looks as if Matt Flynn will be the starter right now in Seattle. I would not be surprised if T Jax is up for trade by the time the season starts.

This. Also, I do think it would be awesome if Carroll can keep him under control and productive as that would bring Sea's WR corps to a decent yet hilarious level. They would then have Doug Baldwin, Golden Tate, Sidney Rice, TO, and Braylon Edwards and all of them combined are dirt cheap but have potential to be productive with a decent QB throwing to them imo (which Flynn potentially is a decent or better QB, at least an ugparde of Jackson). They have improved their QB to Flynn, Lynch can have another good year which will help the passing game's potential, and they upgraded TE and now have a tandem of Zach Miller and Kellen Winslow

I think outside of Flynn and Lynch, they could very well be the best offense per dollar spent Granted that isn't saying much, but it would be a fun stat to compare teams with

[Ingmar]

Half those guys will be hurt by the end of preseason.

[sickrubik]

T.O. is locker room poison, though.

Right. But, if he proves to be a problem, they can cut him and not worry about it.