Mists of Pandaria

[Ironwood]

It's the burn thing.

The Game is Old.

[Paelos]

It's the burn thing.

The Game is Old.

I'd be willing to start over and give WoW another shot if they made strides to show they never intend to cater to the hardcore again. However, I just don't think they will, even with Pandas.

[Ironwood]

I dunno.  Having a wee play recently due to the hack and I see it back to the same state it used to be :  easier to do.

What bothers me is I have to deal with the same retards with a much bigger sense of entitlement.  It's just bull buggeringly unfun.

[Reg]

I just got an email from them telling me my account has been reactivated for the next 14 days.  I'd probably at least log in but I uninstalled it all a couple of weeks ago and it's not worth the bother to reinstall.

[Azazel]

I'm sure i'll pick it up at some stage. But hell, I still haven't bothered to install my Cataclysm yet. (well, I haven't played since Jan-Feb, aside from a freebie week a few months ago).

[Mrbloodworth]

It's the burn thing.

The Game is Old.

I'd be willing to start over and give WoW another shot if they made strides to show they never intend to cater to the hardcore again. However, I just don't think they will, even with Pandas.

What about the new talent tree?


Personally, I can't get into wow, due to the fact I would have to buy each expansion at full price.

[Hawkbit]

Personally, I can't get into wow, due to the fact I would have to buy each expansion at full price.

This is something they really need to get over.  When MoP launches, they need to give everyone all their prior xpacs, and anyone buying the MoP dl or box gets the whole game.  I know they make money off those sales, but it also keeps new players from entering their game due to the high upfront cost.  Not that this hasn't been discussed before... but after four expansions you'd think they learned something. 

On a side note, for all the railing against MoP, for the first time in a year I am somewhat interesting in WoW again.  I like the idea of quest hubs in zones instead of an arcing whole-zone storyline.  It sounds a bit like they're trying to get back on the side of the casual players a bit.

[murdoc]

Personally, I can't get into wow, due to the fact I would have to buy each expansion at full price.

This is something they really need to get over.  When MoP launches, they need to give everyone all their prior xpacs, and anyone buying the MoP dl or box gets the whole game.  I know they make money off those sales, but it also keeps new players from entering their game due to the high upfront cost.  Not that this hasn't been discussed before... but after four expansions you'd think they learned something. 

On a side note, for all the railing against MoP, for the first time in a year I am somewhat interesting in WoW again.  I like the idea of quest hubs in zones instead of an arcing whole-zone storyline.  It sounds a bit like they're trying to get back on the side of the casual players a bit.

I think when I bought Cata I was able to get the previous expansion I was missing for 75% off it's "regular" price.

[Merusk]

For a brief window before Cata's launch they had a WOW-BC bundle for $19 and WOTLK for somewhere between $10-$14.  The Bundle is still out there at that price but for some bizarre reason WOTLK is still listed at $38 on Amazon while Cata is $30. 

[Pantastic]

The only dungeons that really had too much trash, imo, were SFK and DM which was due to them being remakes of long dungeons. GB had a crazy amount of trash, but if you did the dragons well it actually took less time to clear the trash than any of the other level 85 dungeons.

The exact number of times I've seen all 4 dragons done well in a PUG: zero. Adding a weird mechanic that's got no training ground, gives no clue about the correct strategy (most bombing runs you look for specific targets, and the quest encourages that), and can't be redone if you fail is just bad design for something you expect people to casually pick up and run. The floating dungeon with Tol'Vir (it's been a while, I don't remember names) had absolutely stupid amounts of trash with really obnoxious mechanics (yes, I want to sit in place and wait for a PUG to properly time CC to avoid the triangle), and I'm sure there were others.

I thought the boss mechanics were interesting for 5-mans in Cata, but that's what I suspect will be changing. We won't see anything like Ozruk in MoP. Dangerous mechanics will be gone because they 'set groups up to fail'.

I don't know, what I see people get frustrated on is 'spend an hour getting to the end, then fail and realize the group can't do it' not 'spend 15 minutes, realize the group fails, so grab another group and run again'.

[Rendakor]

The exact number of times I've seen all 4 dragons done well in a PUG: zero. Adding a weird mechanic that's got no training ground, gives no clue about the correct strategy (most bombing runs you look for specific targets, and the quest encourages that), and can't be redone if you fail is just bad design for something you expect people to casually pick up and run. The floating dungeon with Tol'Vir (it's been a while, I don't remember names) had absolutely stupid amounts of trash with really obnoxious mechanics (yes, I want to sit in place and wait for a PUG to properly time CC to avoid the triangle), and I'm sure there were others.

Vortex Pinnacle, and it was (is) my most hated Cata dungeon. In addition to the stupid grouding field trash, there was an absurd amount of knockback that flung you off the edge and back to the beginning of the zone. Seriously, fuck that place.

[Paelos]

The funniest thing was that I heard so much bad stuff about VP, and so few people actually wanted to do it, and it never came up on random, that I never ran the place once before I quit back in March.

[Ingmar]

VP really just has the one bad pull, but it was a pretty damn bad one early on.

[Lakov_Sanite]

When I tanked, vp was my fave, I kinda felt as though what I did as a tank there mattered in comparison to some other dungeons.

[Rokal]

VP was probably the shortest dungeon too. The only packs I really had a problem with were the cat packs towards the end, which were stupid obnoxious if you didn't have enough CC. Other than that, I liked the dungeon and the bosses were pretty fun.

I did think it was hilarious that they designed Cata to be a better experience for new players, but expected new players to shell out $100+ to play, on top of paying a monthly subscription cost. People buying TBC/Wrath and soon Cata aren't even getting the full experience out of those expansion packs, since the leveling exp curve has been lowered so much. It's hard to justify paying $30-40 for Wrath as a new player when your total experience with Wrath will be leveling through 4-5 zones for a week.

[Ingmar]

You didn't have to pay $100+ to get the new player experience, though. You got all of that new 1-60 content (minus worgen and goblins) with just the base box.

[Ironwood]

I've spent the last week grouped with idiots that don't realise the healers should die first.

Fuck me.

[Paelos]

I always got GB or that sandy Egypt one as my randoms.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Well when cat was released they made TBC part of the core game I believe, such that you would need to buy wrath and cat but not TBC anymore.

[Merusk]

Fuck VP and that dragon boss.  That encounter alone wiped more PUGs than the beam mechanic in BRD.  Hell, the dragon TRASH wiped a few groups early on because guys didn't understand to pull the dragon out of the healing circle... which you'd never seen before.

[Ironwood]

It was also a pain in the ass to get yourself in the healing circle to make it easier.  Which I always thought was kind of the point.

Just retarded.

The Dragon Boss just had a mechanic that was totally opaque and obtuse at first - You literally had NO CLUE what the fuck was going on.

[Ingmar]

I love that dragon boss, it produces absolutely ludicrously entertaining dps numbers.

[caladein]

Well when cat was released they made TBC part of the core game I believe, such that you would need to buy wrath and cat but not TBC anymore.

Later than that, only in 4.2.

[Azazel]

I just got an email from them telling me my account has been reactivated for the next 14 days.  I'd probably at least log in but I uninstalled it all a couple of weeks ago and it's not worth the bother to reinstall.

I'll have to check that out. I'd be happy with a couple of free weeks.

[Mrbloodworth]

For a brief window before Cata's launch they had a WOW-BC bundle for $19 and WOTLK for somewhere between $10-$14.  The Bundle is still out there at that price but for some bizarre reason WOTLK is still listed at $38 on Amazon while Cata is $30. 

Its all silly.

[Rokal]

You didn't have to pay $100+ to get the new player experience, though. You got all of that new 1-60 content (minus worgen and goblins) with just the base box.

You did if you wanted to play Draenei, BE, Goblin, or Worgen though. Given how ugly every other race's model is at this point, would a new player actually choose to play anything else? In MoP a new player will be in the same boat with Pandaren and Monks.

The other problem is that, yeah, you only had to buy the vanilla box to do the 'new player experience', but that experience lasts much less time than it did in 2004. Even a new player would rocket to 60 pretty quickly, and then they need to decide whether they want to spend another $80+ on the game. I realize that players now get TBC for free too, but that wasn't the case when the new 1-60 launched initially. 60-70 doesn't last especially long either, but it does help.

The dragon boss was probably one of my favorite bosses in Cata, though it was improved when they made the wind graphic more obvious. I hope they don't blow challenge mode in MoP.

[Ingmar]

As mentioned earlier Draenei and Blood Elves have been bundled with the basic set since before Cata launched. You only missed out on them if you were working from a trial account.

[Rokal]

My point was that when the new 1-60 launched and you might have told your friends "come check out WoW", those races were still locked out to you. I think this changed shortly after Cata launched, but the new 1-60 experience launched a few months before that.

[Sjofn]

Fuck VP and that dragon boss.  That encounter alone wiped more PUGs than the beam mechanic in BRD.  Hell, the dragon TRASH wiped a few groups early on because guys didn't understand to pull the dragon out of the healing circle... which you'd never seen before.

Absolutely not my experience. That fucking beam boss is EASILY the #1 PUG wrecker I have encountered. Hell, that dungeon is the new Occulus for me, in that half the time it'll pop and half the group drops because fuck that beam boss. VP might've been harder at the start of Cataclysm, but that beam boss still crushes PUGs. VP is a faceroll now.

[SurfD]

Fuck VP and that dragon boss.  That encounter alone wiped more PUGs than the beam mechanic in BRD.  Hell, the dragon TRASH wiped a few groups early on because guys didn't understand to pull the dragon out of the healing circle... which you'd never seen before.

Absolutely not my experience. That fucking beam boss is EASILY the #1 PUG wrecker I have encountered. Hell, that dungeon is the new Occulus for me, in that half the time it'll pop and half the group drops because fuck that beam boss. VP might've been harder at the start of Cataclysm, but that beam boss still crushes PUGs. VP is a faceroll now.

Maybe Im wrong here, but I could swear that the beam boss was also skippable.

[Rokal]

Beam boss was the last boss of the dungeon, so you could only skip him if you didn't feel like completing the dungeon and getting your LFD rewards.

[Morfiend]

Is it odd that myself with 3 level 85 characters, who runs heroics on all 3 has run Halls of Origination over 40 times, and Grim Batol only once? Yes, I have only done grim batol one time.

[Evildrider]

Is it odd that myself with 3 level 85 characters, who runs heroics on all 3 has run Halls of Origination over 40 times, and Grim Batol only once? Yes, I have only done grim batol one time.

Be glad, be very glad.  That dungeon is just too long.

[Rendakor]

Beam boss was the last boss of the dungeon, so you could only skip him if you didn't feel like completing the dungeon and getting your LFD rewards.

Uh, what? The beam boss is not the final boss of BRC, Obsidius is (the add kiting guy).

[Rokal]

Miscommunication, thought you were talking about the last boss of VP (who also does his triangle beam thing that I have seen wipe LFD groups). BRC beam boss is definitely the #1 pug wrecker.