DEMOCRACY: What tiebreaker should we go with? (vote now)

[Falconeer]

Just vote. Discussion about it has been made in other threads and can still be made in the Rules thread. Here you just have to vote so I can count it and seal the new tie breaker in stone.

Assgn a score to your favourite Tie Breaker:

3 to the one you think should be the most important, 2 to the second most important, 1 to the third. Zero will be assigned to the other options. The options are:

- Head to Head
- TD Difference
- Most TD Scored (best attack)
- Least TD sustained (best defense)
- Most Casualties Inflicted
- Highest TV
- Lowest TV considering one team's eleven bests including injured ones

Please type only the three options you vote, giving them a 3, 2, 1 score.

Voting will be closed in two days and whoever didn't vote will suck it up. To be eligible to vote you have to be taken part in any Main League Season, from 1 to 4.

[avaia]

3 - TD Difference
2 - Lowest TV considering one team's eleven bests including injured ones
1 - Head to Head

[Hoax]

3 -- Head to Head
2 -- TD Difference
1 -- CAS Inflicted

[Paelos]

3 - H2H
2 - CAS Inflicted
1 - TD Diff

[Modern Angel]

3- Head to Head
2- TD Difference
1- Most TD Scored (best attack)

[Ice Cream Emperor]

3 - Head to Head
2 - TD Difference
1 - Least TD sustained (best defense)

[Gruntle]

3 - Head On
2 - Difference
1 - Casualties

[Ingmar]

3 Head to Head
2 TD Difference
1 Lowest TV

[HaemishM]

3 TD Difference
2 Lowest TV
1 H2H

[Sjofn]

3 Head to Head
2 TD Difference
1 Least TD sustained

[Megrim]

By Head-to-head do you mean the individual record the players have against one another?

In that case:

3 - Least TD
2 - Head to Head
1 - TD Difference

[eldaec]

TD Difference first, don't care about the rest.

[Falconeer]

By Head-to-head do you mean the individual record the players have against one another?

Not the record, just the result of the head to head confrontation in the current League, meaning the most recent match those two coaches played against each other.

[Comstar]

- TD Difference
- Least TD sustained (best defense)
- Most Casualties Inflicted

[carnifex27]

1. Least TD sustained
2. TD difference
3. Head to Head

[ezrast]

3 - TD Difference
2 - Most TD Scored (best attack)
1 - Least TD sustained (best defense)

[IainC]

1: TD difference because it discourages stalling for the last turn score and thus tends to favour risk takers and more exciting games.
2: Least TDs conceded because it is fairer across the board than TDs scored - slow teams, fast teams, bashy teams can all shut down scoring opportunities much more evenly than they can create them.
3: TDs scored because it's the point of the game.

I don't think that Head to Head is a good metric because there might potentially be three way ties and also because it hinges on a single match rather than the overall performance through the season
I don't think that casualties are a good metric because some teams have a hard time damaging the opposition and also some divisions might be harder to break than others. Wouldn't want to be an Elf team in a league full of Dwarfs and Nurgle.
I don't think that highest TV is a good metric because it disproportionately favours older teams over new ones.
I don't think that lowest TV is a good metric as it's something that's almost entirely under the control of each coach and not something you have to play for. You could just fire guys or drop rerolls etc in the last match to win the tiebreak.

[Strazos]

3 - Head2Head
2 - TD Diff
1 - CAS 

[lamaros]

3. TD difference.
2. TD scored.
1. Head to Head.

[Paelos]

I think any metric other than using Head to Head as the first eliminator is going to feel unfair. I mean, if at the end of the season you're tied with someone and you beat them in a straight up match, but you don't play a high-scoring team, you're out?

That would be incredibly stupid.

[Llyse]

Have better defence  

3. TD diff
2. Least TD sustained (defence)
1. TD for (offence)

[Ice Cream Emperor]

The people voting for all three of TD difference, TDs sustained and TDs scored are making the back of my brain twitch a little. (I know, I know, it makes sense in a voting situation.)

[ezrast]

No, it just makes sense. Playoff advancement is based on success throughout the entire season, not on one particular game. Individual matchups run contrary to overall placement all the time.

edit for ICE: I'm dumb.

[Ice Cream Emperor]

No, no, I just mean that if any two of those are already tied then the third one is going to be tied as well.

[Strazos]

Lot of teams voting to screw low-scoring bash teams. 

[lamaros]

Aye. Now how the fuck does Llyse keep making it to the semi-finals when he can't even work that out?

[Llyse]

Aye. Now how the fuck does Llyse keep making it to the semi-finals when he can't even work that out?

Because I'm awesome 

[Sky]

I don't like any of it. Not orc-friendly.

Why are we changing this again?

[Falconeer]

We are voting to see if needs to be changed. If the majority votes to keep it the way it was, it will stay the way it was. Personally I think head to head is the best way and that's probably what pushed me to see if there's any room to get there, but obviously I'm open to other options.

[Paelos]

No, it just makes sense. Playoff advancement is based on success throughout the entire season, not on one particular game. Individual matchups run contrary to overall placement all the time.

That's horseshit. If you're tied, it means you both fucked up the exact same amount of times playing the exact same teams. If you weren't playing against similar competition, I'd agree that TD differential is the way to go.

TD differential biases teams that can run up quick scores. Casualties sustained biases towards bashy teams. The only thing that doesn't bias is what happened when you played each other as the first determiner. It's the way every league in American professional sport decides their tiebreakers for a reason.

[lamaros]

Soccer, AFL, etc all decide tiebreakers on goal/point difference.

The suggestion that non-bashy teams have a greater TD difference is not proven by results.

[Sky]

If we want to use real world seeding, how about computing strength of opposition? :) Someone who beat me, IW and Sir T should not be tied with someone who beat Comstar, Andy and Llyse.

[Paelos]

Soccer, AFL, etc all decide tiebreakers on goal/point difference.

The suggestion that non-bashy teams have a greater TD difference is not proven by results.

Funny then that the majority of people voting in favor of TD Diff are on Amazon, Elf, or Skaven teams.

Pure coincidence, right? Please. 

[Falconeer]

I'm Amazon by the way and I'll go with:

3 - Head to Head
2 - TD difference
1 - Best defense

[Strazos]

That's horseshit. If you're tied, it means you both fucked up the exact same amount of times playing the exact same teams. If you weren't playing against similar competition, I'd agree that TD differential is the way to go.

TD differential biases teams that can run up quick scores. Casualties sustained biases towards bashy teams. The only thing that doesn't bias is what happened when you played each other as the first determiner. It's the way every league in American professional sport decides their tiebreakers for a reason.

This.

I'd rather tie-break on TD against before TD diff or TD for, since at least the first piece is based on playing good defense (which every team should be doing), whereas the other 2 are more subjective, based on team style. My Norse are never going to score as much as elves or skaven, so a tiebreak coming down to that is the same as a tiebreak coming down to CAS count in my opinion.

Head to Head is really the only fair, unbiased tie-break.