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Reply #35 on: July 11, 2011, 04:41:39 PM

I've been playing this a bit recently and just got up to lvl 18.  During the course of play I had earned 95 turbine points so I unlocked riding and went and got a Summer Fest horse.  500 silver and a few minutes jumping styles for a nice looking 62% speed horse.

I don't feel like I need a whole stable so this is the horse I'll probably use until I quit the game for new shiny.

If you make it to Moria (i.e. level 50 or so), then you're going to want a goat. The Mines are no place for a pony.

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Reply #36 on: July 13, 2011, 01:07:39 PM

Where's my Visio diagram of the LI system?

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Reply #37 on: July 13, 2011, 01:24:37 PM

Where's my Visio diagram of the LI system?

It needs one.  I bet Turbine has a nice one pinned up to a wall somewhere.

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Reply #38 on: July 13, 2011, 06:49:16 PM

Where's my Visio diagram of the LI system?

Why here it is.

Note: this is just the part where you loot LI's, level them up, break them into relics, and then combine the relics into higher-tier relics.
In other words, the parts of the system that I've used so far.

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Reply #39 on: July 15, 2011, 11:56:44 PM


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Reply #40 on: July 22, 2011, 10:41:10 PM

5g on top of. All of the faction mounts cost. Prized Thorin's Hall Goat is all you'll ever need.

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Reply #41 on: July 22, 2011, 10:42:30 PM

Where's my Visio diagram of the LI system?

Why here it is.

Note: this is just the part where you loot LI's, level them up, break them into relics, and then combine the relics into higher-tier relics.
In other words, the parts of the system that I've used so far.


Is Level 11 a "sweet spot" to break them up? Any others?

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Reply #42 on: July 22, 2011, 11:21:53 PM

Where's my Visio diagram of the LI system?

Why here it is.

Note: this is just the part where you loot LI's, level them up, break them into relics, and then combine the relics into higher-tier relics.
In other words, the parts of the system that I've used so far.


Anything ending in 1 basically - 11/21/31/etc

Is Level 11 a "sweet spot" to break them up? Any others?

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Reply #43 on: July 22, 2011, 11:50:56 PM

It was 21 prior to the changes for effort to reward. 31 you get one of the item legacies as a scroll that you can slap on a new LI.
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Reply #44 on: July 23, 2011, 10:51:02 AM

I suppose at first it's a good idea to get to 11 so you can get a swath of relics.  Or whatever they are.  I don't really have a ton of LIs.

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Reply #45 on: July 24, 2011, 07:38:39 AM

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Is Level 11 a "sweet spot" to break them up? Any others?
11 or 31 is general rule of thumb.  If you want to swap LI's then you definitely want to go the 31 route.

Pre 65 I just nuke @ 11.  @ 65 I tend to go the 31 route - though may sstatr doing 51's so as to snag easy XP runes for when expansion drops.
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Reply #46 on: July 25, 2011, 12:48:54 AM

The XP runes are limited to level 65 items so I don't know that that will help.

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Reply #47 on: July 25, 2011, 03:40:25 AM

I've pretty much just been skirmishing and pvping for tokens hoping I can trade them in for goodies once the expansion hits.

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Reply #48 on: July 25, 2011, 11:58:19 AM

11 is the sweet spot if you are just grinding relics, 31 is for if you are going for legacy scrolls.

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Reply #49 on: July 26, 2011, 01:40:15 AM

Damn, most of our relics are hitting the 18-20 range, but we've also got a ton more to swap in at some stage. Is 21 still considered a good time to explode them so we can start running them to 11?

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Reply #50 on: July 26, 2011, 01:44:53 AM

21 gets you more actual stuff than 11 does, 11 is just more efficient, so yeah 21 is totally fine.

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Reply #51 on: July 26, 2011, 05:32:46 AM

Remember not to slot any gems/settings/runes in a LI you destroy.  You can only change them out at reforging at 10, 20, etc.

I like this (3rd?) change to the LI system.  Selecting you own legacies is more satisfying.  Plus I like the shard system and this encouraged me to get ride of 15 LI's that were clogging my vault. 
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Reply #52 on: July 26, 2011, 09:46:24 AM

If you've got some LI's that are 18-20, you don't have to wait until 21 to deconstruct them.

According to this page, you need less IXP to get a fresh LI from 1 to 11, than it will take to get one from 20 to 21. So if your goal is to get more relics faster, blow up your 18-20 LIs now, and slot some new ones.

edit: blow up the LIs, not the relics o.O

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Reply #53 on: July 26, 2011, 01:53:32 PM

Remember not to slot any gems/settings/runes in a LI you destroy.  You can only change them out at reforging at 10, 20, etc.

I like this (3rd?) change to the LI system.  Selecting you own legacies is more satisfying.  Plus I like the shard system and this encouraged me to get ride of 15 LI's that were clogging my vault. 

You can't take gems/settings/runes out at reforges anymore either, though there's a store item to do it.

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Reply #54 on: July 27, 2011, 04:05:46 PM

Heh, of course.

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Reply #55 on: July 27, 2011, 09:21:21 PM

To be fair, it's the one high profile thing they did where something formerly a very free, very natural game mechanic was turned into a nickel and dime store item.
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Reply #56 on: July 28, 2011, 06:21:53 AM

Is this the point where I insert my rant?

 why so serious?

Probably a good thing I didn't reslot anything into the LI's I'm using when I started playing again. New LI's to start using when we hit 60 in 1.5 levels/6 months. Then, it might take 10 or so LI levels to get them to a usable state.

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Reply #57 on: July 28, 2011, 07:22:20 AM

Maybe. I dunno, I couldn't get worked up about it. They give you so many relics now and you have more control over what you get. With the old system, I'd probably get pretty annoyed since you were at the mercy of RNG and there was no guarantee that the awesome top tier relic you had was going to be replaced.
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Reply #58 on: July 28, 2011, 01:24:21 PM

It isn't really worth getting worked up about, yeah. Because you can use shards to turn relics into other relics now you can get the specific exact relic you want anyway, so its not at all a big deal if you used some random level 4 relic in your leveling weapon and can't get it back.

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Reply #59 on: July 28, 2011, 01:49:54 PM

it's hard to understand why Turbine thinks this new LI grind is positive.  Maybe cash flow positive.  Design wise I thought it was a tenet not to make all players perform a playstyle -- not everyone wants to be a crafter, which is what the LI grind turns you into.   
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Reply #60 on: July 28, 2011, 01:54:16 PM

Eh, it isn't like you have to skill anything up to do it? Unless you're talking about the 4th relic slot I guess.

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Reply #61 on: July 28, 2011, 02:36:21 PM

true and it is voluntary.  I dunno, as a design it's just un-beautiful to me and has too many impacts on the game -- LI's drop off trash, get traded in like so many empty bottles -- that it doesn't work for me in a Middle Earth game.
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Reply #62 on: July 28, 2011, 02:43:05 PM

I agree with the aesthetic argument. LIs were nothing like what I pictured and now, even though the system is way better in terms of mechanics, it's too immersion breaking. It's just... out there. It's the single most WoW thing in the game, screaming LOOK AT ME I AM GAME MECHANICS WITH NO WINDOW DRESSING HEY LOOK! It's jarring.

Still, I think they're basically in a corner now on LIs. They can't just make them go away because they're *still* more interesting than Nameless +1% Power Weapon Y. And people do like cycling through weapons. I just wish it had more elegance.
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Reply #63 on: July 28, 2011, 02:45:59 PM

Yeah I agree, it is pretty jarring from an immersion standpoint. It is much worse in that sense than any system I can think of in WoW, actually.

I think the worst part of it isn't the mechanical aspect of level this, break down that, etc., etc., it is the fact that 'legendary' weapons drop at a ridiculous rate, and instead of being treated like special heirlooms the vast majority of them are melted down for scrap. This is not really 'right'.

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Reply #64 on: July 28, 2011, 03:22:41 PM

To be fair, I don't think the books took into account people setting up apartments and a shopping mall in Moria.

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Reply #65 on: July 28, 2011, 05:31:09 PM

We fight the forces of Mordor with the LI system we have not the one we want.
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Reply #66 on: August 14, 2011, 05:01:18 PM

Started dinking around with this because, hey, it's free and I've got an account attached to Mines so why not. 

Why am I seeing L65s running around my L9 noob zone inviting me into fellowships? Is this some LI grind thing?

I wouldn't mind if they didn't get all pissy that I won't turn on a microphone when they invite me.

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Reply #67 on: August 14, 2011, 06:44:47 PM

No idea. They will get about nothing from a level 9.

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Reply #68 on: August 14, 2011, 10:21:50 PM

They might be doing trait deeds. Killing 150 mobs or whatever.

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Reply #69 on: August 15, 2011, 01:13:29 PM

Yeah, that's probably it. Offering you a free deed and some xp to tag along.
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