NFL 2011

[Nebu]

I'm not a big fan of Brees, no. 

I believe that Brees may be the best technical QB ever to play the position.  If he had Peyton's brain, he'd be a god.

[Rasix]

They used to make fun of Brees for not being able to throw a slant.

[Nebu]

"They" meaning a group of swiss bankers?

If you've ever watched the guy throw in practice, he is the most accurate and technically sound QB I've ever seen in my life.  I'm sure being only 6' tall affects some of his live performance (particularly short, over-the-middle passes).  

[Rasix]

"They" meaning a group of swiss bankers?

After up to the point of being benched for Doug Flutie, he was getting universally thrashed by all of the "analysts" (SI, ESPN, etc). They often made the point that he was so inaccurate and bad that he couldn't throw a slant.  We get a lot of San Diego games here in AZ and he was just that dreadful. I don't know how he turned it around, but his numbers did a 180 the next season and he won the "Chad Pennington" (comeback player of the year) for QB-that-doesn't-suck-anymore.

Just seems to be high praise for a guy that used to be a punchline and prompted the whole Philip Rivers/Eli Manning draft drama.   But then again, I'm not a NFL talent scount or QB coach and we're in the now, so you may be right.  

[Fordel]

Doug Flutie was awesome!

I have nothing else to add.



-edit- I also can't type.

[Sjofn]

Eli made some mistakes last year that probably cost the Giants a game or two, that is why people go "lol INTs" and shit with Eli. There are some games you could point to where he was definitely not helping the Giants win or actively harming them by throwing a crushing, horrible INT at the absolutely worst moment, channeling his inner Kerry Collins. Or, you know, fucking up a QB slide and fumbling (although that game was an abomination all around, that was just a on top of it). That's the problem with being QB, if you fuck up and it obviously hurts the team, and you lose the game, people will focus like a laser on you, even if you were hardly the only factor. And the Giants had a few games like that, and they missed the playoffs because of it, so LOLELI it is.

But shucks, it's so hard to actually hate him. Lookit that widdle puppy:




Who's a boo!

[ghost]

I'm not a big fan of Brees, no. 

I believe that Brees may be the best technical QB ever to play the position.  If he had Peyton's brain, he'd be a god.

Maybe so.  He's a bit limited in the physical sense as well.

[Cyrrex]

I'm not a big fan of Brees, no. 

I believe that Brees may be the best technical QB ever to play the position.  If he had Peyton's brain, he'd be a god.

Maybe so.  He's a bit limited in the physical sense as well.

Limited because he's short for a QB, perhaps...but I think I heard tell that he's quite an athlete all around.  He even did the goal post dunk thing.

[HaemishM]

Oh, Drew Brees was FUCKING AWFUL his first few seasons in the NFL. I mean, just goddamn atrocious. I remember seeing games of his and thinking that this guy couldn't possibly be this bad, he had to be trying to fuck it up. And then his last year in San Diego, something just clicked. I mean, it helped that he got Gates at TE but even then, he got really good at throwing passes. When he went to New Orleans, he was better - though he has had moments of pure WTFery with the Saints. His second year there, I drafted him as my starting QB and it was like 6 games before he really became worthwhile. The Super Bowl season he was absolutely lights out. Last year, he threw a lot of INTs, partly because his running game was so bad - they had no Deuce to run over people, Pierre Thomas was hurt a lot, Bush was never a threatening runner and his season ended early. Many of his INTs were Brees trying to do too much.

Eli's INT's are usually for the same reason. He makes bad decisions under pressure a lot more often than a guy like Brees. Brady is one of those who can feel pressure and throw the ball out of bounds, whereas Eli is as likely to try some crazy Favre shit than throw it away. He's also got the yips - he feels pressure and tends to freak the fuck out.

[ghost]

Brees is clearly a hell of a talent.  He's won a superbowl as a QB, something that is tough to do and he's put up very good numbers.  Eli is also a hell of a talent and a very good QB.  I still wouldn't put either of them in my top 25 of all time.  There's a big drop off between guys like Elway and Young compared to Brees and Eli.

[Nebu]

Just to be clear here, I never meant to suggest that Brees was one of the best QBs of all time in the NFL.  I was only discussing his technical ability.  Brees' mechanics and throwing accuracy are better than any QB I've seen.  His decision making and, to a lesser degree, his size will keep him from becoming one of the true elite at the position. 

[HaemishM]

See, I actually think Brees IS one of the elite QB's in the league - but I also put Favre in that category too. He's a better technical passer than Favre, much more accurate and when it's all said and done, I think you can put Brees in the Elway/Manning/Brady class.

[caladein]

Drew Brees has been a top five QB by DYAR every season he's been in a Saints uniform.  He was 7th and 8th among QBs by DYAR his last two seasons in San Diego.

He hasn't had Manning's longer run of even better performance and he hasn't had the hilariously amazing peak of Brady's last three full seasons.  I don't even think he's as good as Philip Rivers, but sometimes, being the 3rd best CF in New York isn't a bad thing.

[ghost]

I can think of at least 7 guys I would rather have than Brees in the league right now:

1.  Rivers
2.  Brady
3.  Vick
4.  Rodgers
5.  Roethlisberger
6.  Manning son #1
7.  Ryan

And probably Joe Flacco and Josh Freeman as well. 

[Nebu]

I can think of at least 7 guys I would rather have than Brees in the league right now:

1.  Rivers
2.  Brady
3.  Vick
4.  Rodgers
5.  Roethlisberger
6.  Manning son #1
7.  Ryan

And probably Joe Flacco and Josh Freeman as well. 

Were I the owner of an NFL team, I'd want:

1) Manning
2) Rogers
3) Brady
4) Brees

Vick is a meltdown waiting to happen.  Roethlessberger is too system specific.  I'm not sold on Ryan yet. 

[Chimpy]

Rothlesberger is also one more chance meeting with a woman from being in jail for 15-20.

[ghost]

Vick is the ultimate gamble.  If he can stay clean he can bring home a couple of titles.  I think that even with a decent O-line he'll stay healthy.   I can't argue with folks that like Brees-  he's had the results. 

[HaemishM]

I can think of at least 7 guys I would rather have than Brees in the league right now:

1.  Rivers
2.  Brady
3.  Vick
4.  Rodgers
5.  Roethlisberger
6.  Manning son #1
7.  Ryan

And probably Joe Flacco and Josh Freeman as well.  

You are fucking HIGH as a kite on about half of those picks.

Vick is fucking overrated, as likely to injure himself trying to make a play as he would be to make the play itself. Roethlisberger is a winner but also takes many stupid risks with his own health. Matt Ryan is good but not on Brees' level. Flacco is horribly inconsistent and Josh Freeman is not nearly experienced enough to take over a guy like Brees.

I'd take in this order:

1) Manning
2) Brady
3) Rivers
4) Brees
5) Rodgers

And 4 & 5 are a tossup.

EDIT: And more about Vick. He is NOT going to bring hom a couple of titles. I don't think he has it in him to remain consistent enough through an entire season to bring home titles. He will electrify a crowd and he will win some games, but I honestly do not think he's smart enough to win a title.

[Sjofn]

I hope he stays an Eagle forever then. 

I guess he could be a Cowboy too.

[ghost]

I can think of at least 7 guys I would rather have than Brees in the league right now:

1.  Rivers
2.  Brady
3.  Vick
4.  Rodgers
5.  Roethlisberger
6.  Manning son #1
7.  Ryan

And probably Joe Flacco and Josh Freeman as well.  

You are fucking HIGH as a kite on about half of those picks.

Vick is fucking overrated, as likely to injure himself trying to make a play as he would be to make the play itself. Roethlisberger is a winner but also takes many stupid risks with his own health. Matt Ryan is good but not on Brees' level. Flacco is horribly inconsistent and Josh Freeman is not nearly experienced enough to take over a guy like Brees.

I'd take in this order:

1) Manning
2) Brady
3) Rivers
4) Brees
5) Rodgers

And 4 & 5 are a tossup.

EDIT: And more about Vick. He is NOT going to bring hom a couple of titles. I don't think he has it in him to remain consistent enough through an entire season to bring home titles. He will electrify a crowd and he will win some games, but I honestly do not think he's smart enough to win a title.

I bet the Eagles win the Superbowl this year. 

[Nebu]

I bet the Eagles win the Superbowl this year.  

While the Eagles are one of the favorites, I'd still take that bet.  

[01101010]

Pryor eligible for supplemental draft, but must serve suspension

Any thoughts? I am a bit torn. I can understand the 5 game suspension, but what about all the shit these other kids have done in college ball and just jumped ship and went to the pros? All the sudden Pryor gets stung? Then again, he was set to go back to school and then dropped it when the road crumbled out from under him. I dunno... I doubt I'd be ok if he was just allowed to be drafted and play without any penalty at all...

Of course this is all a moot point considering he would not actually be playing this year anyway... meh.

[WayAbvPar]

I bet the Eagles win the Superbowl this year.  

While the Eagles are one of the favorites, I'd still take that bet.  

Same. Andy Reid will find a way to fuck it up even if his players all gel and stay healthy.

[WayAbvPar]

Pryor eligible for supplemental draft, but must serve suspension

Any thoughts? I am a bit torn. I can understand the 5 game suspension, but what about all the shit these other kids have done in college ball and just jumped ship and went to the pros? All the sudden Pryor gets stung? Then again, he was set to go back to school and then dropped it when the road crumbled out from under him. I dunno... I doubt I'd be ok if he was just allowed to be drafted and play without any penalty at all...

Of course this is all a moot point considering he would not actually be playing this year anyway... meh.

Apologies for double post, but WTC? That makes exactly zero sense. NCAA and NFL are in no way affiliated. Goodell is a fucking lawful good retard. NFLPA should have a field day with that.

[ghost]

I bet the Eagles win the Superbowl this year.  

While the Eagles are one of the favorites, I'd still take that bet.  

It's easy to take the field in the NFL.  

[Nebu]

Any thoughts? I am a bit torn.

I say let him play.  Serving a suspension in the NFL for breaking an NCAA rule is stupid.  Perhaps it's just admission by the NCAA that they primarily pursue only those infractions involving marquis players on top tier teams.  It's not like 99% of NCAA players can jump ship to the NFL to avoid a suspension.  

It's easy to take the field in the NFL.  

You're the one that made the bet.  I'm just accepting it!

[Ingmar]

I'd take Matt Ryan by far over any of these guys except for Rodgers. Why? Age. You'd be nuts to take a 34 year old Brady or a 32 year old Brees over a 26 year old Ryan for your franchise. That's a no-brainer.

[Nebu]

I'd take Matt Ryan by far over any of these guys except for Rodgers. Why? Age. You'd be nuts to take a 34 year old Brady or a 32 year old Brees over a 26 year old Ryan for your franchise. That's a no-brainer.

While Matt Ryan has a huge upside, he's still a gamble.  It's still unclear if he has what it takes to win a championship. 

[01101010]

Apologies for double post, but WTC? That makes exactly zero sense. NCAA and NFL are in no way affiliated. Goodell is a fucking lawful good retard. NFLPA should have a field day with that.

Probably not since they had a hand in it...

Commissioner Roger Goodell and NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith worked together on the decision, Rosenhaus said.

[ghost]

Any thoughts? I am a bit torn.

I say let him play.  Serving a suspension in the NFL for breaking an NCAA rule is stupid.  Perhaps it's just admission by the NCAA that they primarily pursue only those infractions involving marquis players on top tier teams.  It's not like 99% of NCAA players can jump ship to the NFL to avoid a suspension.  

It's easy to take the field in the NFL.  

You're the one that made the bet.  I'm just accepting it!

Okay.  What would you like to gamble?

[Nebu]

Okay.  What would you like to gamble?

Just a friendly "gentlemen's wager" would suffice.   

[Nevermore]

I'd take Matt Ryan by far over any of these guys except for Rodgers. Why? Age. You'd be nuts to take a 34 year old Brady or a 32 year old Brees over a 26 year old Ryan for your franchise. That's a no-brainer.

While Matt Ryan has a huge upside, he's still a gamble.  It's still unclear if he has what it takes to win a championship. 

Building a team for the future?  Definitely Ryan or Freeman.  Think you already have all the pieces you need except for a QB?  That's when you'd want a Manning, Brady or Brees.

[ghost]

gentlemen's wager

That's asking a lot........ 

Fair enough.  Bragging rights it is.  Now watch Vick blow out his ACL in the first game. 

[HaemishM]

Pryor eligible for supplemental draft, but must serve suspension

Any thoughts? I am a bit torn. I can understand the 5 game suspension, but what about all the shit these other kids have done in college ball and just jumped ship and went to the pros? All the sudden Pryor gets stung? Then again, he was set to go back to school and then dropped it when the road crumbled out from under him. I dunno... I doubt I'd be ok if he was just allowed to be drafted and play without any penalty at all...

Of course this is all a moot point considering he would not actually be playing this year anyway... meh.

Apologies for double post, but WTC? That makes exactly zero sense. NCAA and NFL are in no way affiliated. Goodell is a fucking lawful good retard. NFLPA should have a field day with that.

Yeah, that's retarded. So if Pryor gets suspended for the shit he pulled in college, does that mean Vince Willfolk and all the other U of Miami alums are going to be suspended for all the shit he got from that asshole in the University of Miami case? Because while Pryor's is bad enough the Miami shit takes the cake.

EDIT: Also, why would you take Freeman or Ryan over Rodgers? Rodgers has already won a Super Bowl and is only a year or two older than those two.

[ghost]

I think the Pryor issue was more because he deliberately hired an agent to get suspended, i.e. he hired an agent to get suspended to specifically get draftable.  I think it's a legitimate reason to suspend him for 5 games.  He's manipulating the system to get an advantage that others might not get.