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While I don't disagree about the importance of good tires, that seems ridiculous. Unless there is glare ice or those are racing slicks, there's no reason that 4WD shouldn't be at least moving up the hill. It's on Summer tires, not All season tires. All Seasons (referred to as 'No Season') are a little bit better then Snow tires, but they are still terrible.
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I'll continue using the No Season tires since the black ice only shows up once or twice every few years for a couple days at a time.
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I'll continue using the No Season tires since the black ice only shows up once or twice every few years for a couple days at a time.
I really think it's up to the individual to decide based on where they live and how far they drive. My wife works a mile away so I just put No-Seasons on her car. Here is a good compare between all seasons and snow tires. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svkZDRoouYU
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On a separate note, if anyone has any questions on "How a car dealer actually works" my wife does the books for a New Car dealer so I can bounce any questions off her. Or, if you want to know about Subarus, my son is a Subaru Master tech and I race a Subaru WRX in SCCA Rallycross events on the weekends. The most common question I get is "Do I need All wheel drive or 4 Wheel drive in the winter?" The answer is, it's a nice to have but not a must have. What you really need is Snow tires, regardless of vehicle. I cannot stress how much of a difference Snow Tires make. Here is a great video the demonstates this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STaximkaQxoThe Rear Wheel drive BMW (with the terrible exhaust) blows away the 4WD on Summer Tires. Also, while I run studded snow tires on the WRX, you don't really need them unless you do a lot of driving in ice storms or on frozen lakes. Weight distribution goes a bit to aid good tires. Empty pick-up with snow tires and RW-drive is still going to have a hard time of it comparatively to a FW-drive car on summer tires.
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Don't misunderstand, I'm convinced that the tires make a lot of difference. I just don't have the use-case. 99.9% of the time, I need either rain tires or dry tires. I don't know if ice tires are a thing but I only would have needed them three years ago during Snowmageddon 2014. Yeah we still call it that. Also, I made it home anyway on stock tires on a Cadillac SRX. Other people had problems.
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While I don't disagree about the importance of good tires, that seems ridiculous. Unless there is glare ice or those are racing slicks, there's no reason that 4WD shouldn't be at least moving up the hill. The BMW also has traction control (DSC) and is able to adjust braking to individual wheels and reduce engine fuel to minimize wheel slippage.
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While I don't disagree about the importance of good tires, that seems ridiculous. Unless there is glare ice or those are racing slicks, there's no reason that 4WD shouldn't be at least moving up the hill. The BMW also has traction control (DSC) and is able to adjust braking to individual wheels and reduce engine fuel to minimize wheel slippage. The Subaru Forester XT definitely has traction control. I'm not a BMW guy, so I don't know about the M3.
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The M3 has traction control, but it has purposely been held short so you can still get some wheel spin/drift on corners. I would expect the Forester to have better traction control with its AWD.
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Which is why comparison vids that don't use the same vehicle are always suspect. They're pushing a point and not providing rigid evidence.
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Which is why comparison vids that don't use the same vehicle are always suspect. They're pushing a point and not providing rigid evidence.
It's a test for Snow tires on a RWD vs Summer tires on an AWD to show that Snow tires are more important than AWD. That's it.
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Don't misunderstand, I'm convinced that the tires make a lot of difference. I just don't have the use-case. 99.9% of the time, I need either rain tires or dry tires. I don't know if ice tires are a thing but I only would have needed them three years ago during Snowmageddon 2014. Yeah we still call it that. Also, I made it home anyway on stock tires on a Cadillac SRX. Other people had problems.
If you absolutely have to travel on ice, chains are the way to go. You used to be able to get your tires "studded", little rivets that would grab onto ice, but I think the liability suits did away with that. --Dave
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Don't misunderstand, I'm convinced that the tires make a lot of difference. I just don't have the use-case. 99.9% of the time, I need either rain tires or dry tires. I don't know if ice tires are a thing but I only would have needed them three years ago during Snowmageddon 2014. Yeah we still call it that. Also, I made it home anyway on stock tires on a Cadillac SRX. Other people had problems.
If you absolutely have to travel on ice, chains are the way to go. You used to be able to get your tires "studded", little rivets that would grab onto ice, but I think the liability suits did away with that. --Dave You can still get studded snow tires, but their use is regulated by your state laws.
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Studs are legal in Georgia, if the roads are icy. Do I want to buy a set and store them? Not really.
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Studs are legal in Georgia, if the roads are icy. Do I want to buy a set and store them? Not really.
If the roads are icy anywhere in the south, stay home.
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It would be a complete waste of money to buy studded tires in Georgia.
Here in Idaho (three feet of snow on the ground locally atm) it's legal to use them Oct. 1 thru April 30, and you'd want to get them put on early in October to avoid the annual mob at the tire shop after the first freeze.
A few miles west in Washington, it's only legal Nov. 1 to April 1. Although the cops in eastern washington aren't too rabid about the tickets in late october/april.
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Right now on vacation in Bend, OR. The type of tires don't matter. Having your own personal curiosity rover might though. Streets are turrble washboards of varying levels of compacted snow from 0-3" thick. And tomorrow it is going to rain!
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Oregon doesn't get enough snow that it makes s nose for cities or counties to have a snow removal plan,never mind equipment. It's strange for those of us from the Midwest who are actually at lower latitudes it there it is. You get chains and drive through it for the few days it's there in a normal year.
However thanks to climate shift and possibly El Niño this January isn't normal. It's been fun watching my sister and voodoo lily loose their minds because schools have been closed since December.
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Maybe there is a "Buying a new spellchecker, need some advice" thread.
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My thumb always hits space instead of "n". Sometimes I'm careful but more often nope.
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I'm just kidding - hey, you're alright!
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My thumb always hits space instead of "n". Sometimes I'm careful but more ofte ope.
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It might need its own thread, but why would anyone use their thumb for the N key? Mind slightly blown.
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If you are a two handed smartphone typist you use your thumbs for every letter.
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If you are a two handed smartphone typist you use your thumbs for every letter.
Swype was developed for a reason.
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Didn't occur to me that he might have done it on a smartphone. Come on Merusk, solve this mystery!
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Of course. 90% of my posts are on a smartphone anymore. What do you use in the shitter?
I tried swype, it doesn't ork for me. Too slow.
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Yeah, ditto, can't stand it. Nothing is as fast as two thumb typing.
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+1 for not liking Swype. Or autocorrect/complete, for that matter.
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Of course. 90% of my posts are on a smartphone anymore. What do you use in the shitter?
I tried swype, it doesn't ork for me. Too slow.
There is a joke about "wipe" to be made here, but I can't quite put it together. But anyway, I don't post from the shitter. I play Galaxy of Heroes, like any respectable nerd might do.
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Does F13 have an app that works?
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Does F13 have an app that works?
I love Swype or rather the integrated solution of the Google keyboard. Might take a week getting used to it but I really don't want to go back to normal typing.
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Swype sounds awesome but I like using voice dictation sometimes and apparently you can't use that with it.
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Sorry I meant an app like tapatalk.
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