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Reply #70 on: February 01, 2011, 03:01:33 AM

Have gotten my mage up to 63 and am branching out with a couple of alts...rogue and warrior. I went subtlety with the rogue (only 11th level atm)- is that viable for leveling? All this has changed since I played last. How about for the warrior? Going to be level 10 now and locking myself into a tree- any suggestions? I am leaning toward arms, since I like big giant 2h weapons (and my main has a shitton of 2h enchants). Speaking of enchants, wow is nice to twink with them...huge differences at low levels. Of course, I will outlevel the equipment sooner than later, but the enchants make it last a little longer and make it not nearly as miserable as a lowbie.

Prot warrior is incredibly easy to level and has the bonus of an instant dungeon queue any time you want one. Just remember to always pull at least 3 mobs at a time when levelling!

If the hankering for 2-handers is too strong then you could always go Fury and use *two* 2-handers at once.   awesome, for real

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Reply #71 on: February 01, 2011, 07:48:08 AM

If the hankering for 2-handers is too strong then you could always go Fury and use *two* 2-handers at once.   awesome, for real
Only at level 69 and above, which frustrates as it used to be 60!
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Reply #72 on: February 01, 2011, 08:15:27 AM

If the hankering for 2-handers is too strong then you could always go Fury and use *two* 2-handers at once.   awesome, for real
Only at level 69 and above, which frustrates as it used to be 60!

It goes beyond frustrates and into "really pisses you off" when the change was implemented in the middle of leveling a fury war who had just hit 62.  That 2nd heirloom reaper.. yeah, JP well spent.

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Reply #73 on: February 01, 2011, 10:55:07 AM

Thanks for mentioning heirlooms, since that was another question that popped into my mostly empty head last night. I have heard it mentioned, and know it has something to do with items that level with a character or get passed down from character to alt to alt or something, but I haven't seen any mention of it in game. How does it work, and when should I start worrying about it?

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Reply #74 on: February 01, 2011, 11:14:48 AM

You purchase Heirloom items with Justice Points, I think they call them now.  You get the points from the first random dungeon queue you do for WotLK, and Cata, Normal, and Heroic dungeons.  You also get them from offing bosses in the Heroic dungeons, though I haven't paid attention to that since before 4.0. 

So, basically, you need a character that's 70+, and probably 85 and running Heroics regularly, if you want to kit an alt out.  Though, having a full set really can make a difference, as you can now get a 40 - 50% bonus to xp across all your heirloom gear.

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Reply #75 on: February 01, 2011, 11:23:11 AM

Thanks for mentioning heirlooms, since that was another question that popped into my mostly empty head last night. I have heard it mentioned, and know it has something to do with items that level with a character or get passed down from character to alt to alt or something, but I haven't seen any mention of it in game. How does it work, and when should I start worrying about it?

Hierlooms are account bound items that level with you.  The armor will even intelligently switch types based on what you can use (IE an heirloom plate chest starts off as chain).

Heirlooms purchased in WOLK level from 1-80.  Cataclysm heirlooms are 1-85.  These are purchased with dungeon/raiding points or honor (used to be PVP tokens from WG as well).  A ring was able to be won from fishing contests.   Certain heirlooms I believe are also tied to guild leveling/rep.

Certain heirlooms also increase XP obtained from killing and questing and are thus pretty popular for twinks.  The weapons are also quite popular since they're usually better than any blue you're going to get questing.  Some of the trinkets have nice effects like mana/health restoration upon kills.

I leveled my goblin with my armor ones off (chest/shoulder +XP) until around level 50 because I was just leveling too fast.  But around 50, the zones got less interesting/new so I put them back on.  The heirloom gun stayed equipped the entire time.

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Reply #76 on: February 01, 2011, 11:40:43 AM

1-80 Heirlooms are also available from the Argent Tournament for commendations. If you have time it might be worth doing, but there's a long rep grind to get to the dailies that give the tokens to purchase them so if you're starting out now it may not be worth doing.
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Reply #77 on: February 01, 2011, 11:42:47 AM

Basically, Way, no you don't have to worry about it. It's something to spend points on once your max level and have nothing else to spend points on.  I bought all mine during wotlk when I was raiding and had more badges/ points than I could ever use.  I equipped 5 alts with full heirloom sets and still had leftover currency.

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Reply #78 on: February 01, 2011, 11:45:42 AM

1-80 Heirlooms are also available from the Argent Tournament for commendations. If you have time it might be worth doing, but there's a long rep grind to get to the dailies that give the tokens to purchase them so if you're starting out now it may not be worth doing.

Doing the AT stuff is best done on a main due to the lengthy daily time investment.  But there's a plethora of stuff available as rewards - faction, companions, mounts, Heirlooms, and the Pony Bridle (which can be a lifesaver).

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Reply #79 on: February 01, 2011, 12:48:02 PM

Jefe, what is a plethora?

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Reply #80 on: February 01, 2011, 07:47:59 PM

Even works for non-druids who have "forms" like shadow priests.
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Reply #81 on: February 01, 2011, 09:35:13 PM

Right, you get one. But if you wanted to change MORE than one bar when you change into shadowform, you can do that with Bartender. Did you miss the original complaint about only one bar changing when you change druid forms, or are you just being a dick?

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Reply #82 on: February 02, 2011, 02:14:00 AM

Missed the original complain, but I'd have to wonder why you'd bother.
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Reply #83 on: February 02, 2011, 06:23:18 AM

Can't comment on Shadowpriests, but the reason you bother with Warriors and Druids is that one bar simply isn't enough and displaying them where you want them and how you want them has now become vital for me.

Even simple things like button placement, consumables and macros can all be arranged in the different 'forms'.  Bartender is really, really good.

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Reply #84 on: February 02, 2011, 12:42:28 PM

Hmmm, I may try that, my druid is pretty ugly at the moment.

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Reply #85 on: February 08, 2011, 08:40:38 AM

Thanks all!

Been leveling my Mage 1st, then will work on Hunter, then start a Warrior, I watched my son play his Death Knight a lot, where he was showing how Blood for tanking and Frost for DPS (he doesn't mind the changes, was kinda miffed that blood got tanking now, he likes the look of the big 2 handed weapons), it is kind of a race in our house hold, which one of us will hit 85 first :)  Chances are we both will get tied up in studies again and won't get to play for a couple of months, but it seems a lot smoother and quicker to level now.  But after watching him with the DK, I think a Warrior will be more to my liking, with the duel talents eventually I can DPS or Tank, plus having "2" 2 handed axes or hammers looks pretty killer.

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Reply #86 on: February 15, 2011, 01:30:54 AM

(he doesn't mind the changes, was kinda miffed that blood got tanking now, he likes the look of the big 2 handed weapons)

All three DK specs can use a two-hander effectively.
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Reply #87 on: February 15, 2011, 01:10:39 PM

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but it seems a lot smoother and quicker to level now

In my limited experience it is smooth sailing until about 60. Then it slows way down. Then it seems to slow even further at 70. It feels like the pre-60 stuff was a beta, and that the release version nerfed leveling speed. It is making it harder to log in for sure. I did a dungeon run last night (whatever keep in CoT)...I was a bit higher than the rest of the group (71 vs mid-60s), but we still had some grindy spots and had about half the party wipe once or twice. When I got done, whichever addon I have told me that just another 129 runs like that and I would level! Granted, it is not bleeding edge for my level, but the content was still tough and took plenty of time...

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Reply #88 on: February 18, 2011, 02:18:11 AM

(71 vs mid-60s)

Come on now, that's early LK versus middle BC. That's a huge gap at higher levels.

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Reply #89 on: February 18, 2011, 10:13:22 AM

Specifically, there is a huge jump in XP required to go from 70 to 71 (same at 60-61) as you're now in a new expansion. The dungeon you were doing was a BC dungeon, which means the mobs and everything are all on the previous expansion's XP scale; as a result the dungeon is worth shit to you, and you should be queuing for WotLK dungeons instead.

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Reply #90 on: February 18, 2011, 12:36:11 PM

The only reason I was bothering was because I had a buddy who was still behind and wanted to group with him. I didn't realize the huge difference betweenn 69 and 71 (as far as XP needed). Is it strictly level that dictates which dungeons are available, or does someone have to actually visit Northrend to get WotLK dungeons? I talked him into making the leap to Norhtrend at 68- I think he was 69 and we did Utgarde Keep or whatever. The XP was MASSIVE in comparison. The more you know...

I still haven't hit 72 yet though- 2 dungeon runs and quite a few quests. Leveling does slow way down after 60 and again at 70, or it sure feels like it does.

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Reply #91 on: September 17, 2012, 05:57:39 PM

Some n00b questions as I get prepared for MoP.

For specializations, if I want to mess around with all three talent tree specializations in a particular class it looks like I'll need 2 characters per class, assuming I'm too poor for constant respecs?

E.g. for Monk I would have one character with, say, dual-spec Brewmaster & Mistweaver, and another character with, say, Windwalker & Mistweaver?

Can the other races play through the Pandarian starting area or that for pandas only?
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Reply #92 on: September 17, 2012, 06:33:47 PM

Some n00b questions as I get prepared for MoP.

For specializations, if I want to mess around with all three talent tree specializations in a particular class it looks like I'll need 2 characters per class, assuming I'm too poor for constant respecs?

E.g. for Monk I would have one character with, say, dual-spec Brewmaster & Mistweaver, and another character with, say, Windwalker & Mistweaver?

Can the other races play through the Pandarian starting area or that for pandas only?

You'd need two characters per class if you wanted to have 3 'active' specs, but it probably makes more sense to just pay for the respecs. Especially with the new talent system and the cut-down on ability bloat, it shouldn't be too bad to redo bars each time (or you could grab a bar addon that will probably do this for you). Edit: Here is an addon that saves keybindings, talents, and glyphs for a third spec.

Only Pandas can play in the Wandering Isle 1-10 quest area. They are technically their own third faction up until level 10 at which point they pick alliance or horde and leave.
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Reply #93 on: September 17, 2012, 06:41:10 PM

Thanks. How much is a respec?
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Reply #94 on: September 17, 2012, 06:56:36 PM

Thanks. How much is a respec?


Pro-rated depending on how long and how many times you've respeced recently.  For a fresh toon, I think it's in the neighborhood of 1-10 gold.

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Reply #95 on: September 17, 2012, 06:58:02 PM

Pro-rated depending on how long and how many times you've respeced recently.  For a fresh toon, I think it's in the neighborhood of 1-10 gold.

I believe there is a cap too so it should never get prohibitively high. Last I checked the cap was 50g, but it may have increased.
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Reply #96 on: September 17, 2012, 07:11:15 PM

NOTE that 50G is not the insanely huge amount of money that it may have been the last time you played.

Each toon that I leveled through the new Cata zones made roughly 5k gold just from selling vendor trash and unusable quest rewards. That includes the actual gold rewards from quest completion. But, not the gold I made selling crafting mats on the AH.

Daily quests in Cata are worth, what, 16G each? 18? I can't remember.

The point being, you have to work at it in this game, to wind up too poor to afford a respec.

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Reply #97 on: September 17, 2012, 07:16:48 PM

I'll be starting basically from scratch. It'll be a long long time before I hit max level (if ever).
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Reply #98 on: September 18, 2012, 12:22:41 AM

If you start on a server with pretty much any one of us, I'm sure we could donate a few decent-capacity bags and a few hundred gold without an issue to get you up and running.

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Reply #99 on: September 18, 2012, 12:51:34 AM

My old characters are on Windrunner. If I can get at those accounts (they are pre-B.Net move) I'll likely play on there. They don't have much since I stopped at the mid-30s but it's better than starting from scratch. If I can't get at those accounts for some reason or they've been looted I may pick a server with some active f13ers to play on.
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Reply #100 on: September 18, 2012, 01:14:00 AM

You can get someone to scroll-of-resurrection you. That will give one of your characters a free bump to level 80 and also a free server/faction transfer to your friend's server. I can give you one to Proudmoore, I think myself, Paelos and Ginaz are here. Shop around and find a server that has people you like on it.  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

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Reply #101 on: September 18, 2012, 02:42:17 AM

I have like a bazillion characters though if I can resurrect my old accounts awesome, for real
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Reply #102 on: September 19, 2012, 02:25:22 AM

You can get someone to scroll-of-resurrection you. That will give one of your characters a free bump to level 80 and also a free server/faction transfer to your friend's server. I can give you one to Proudmoore, I think myself, Paelos and Ginaz are here. Shop around and find a server that has people you like on it.  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?
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Reply #103 on: September 19, 2012, 08:19:57 PM

Probably worth doing. It'd be interesting to see who's still playing.

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Reply #104 on: September 20, 2012, 03:15:34 AM

There's a new Wow offer open now - you can get the Battle Chest at $20usd which comes with Wow + BC + WOTLK, or you can get everything up to MOP for $60usd.

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