Man shoots wife in head, during sex.

[Sand]

Soooo uhm yeah?




http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/28/oklahoma.sex.death/index.html

Arthur Sedille was up-front with police: He would often put a gun to his wife's head during fantasy sex play at their Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, home.

But Sedille said he didn't know the gun was loaded when he pressed it to his wife's head and pulled the handgun's slide back during sex on the night of December 21.

Now Sedille, 23, is facing the possibility of a murder charge in Canadian County, Oklahoma, in the death of his wife, 50-year-old Rebecca Sedille -- who died when the handgun went off in their bedroom.

[Nerf]

Pulled the slide...riiiight.
Slamfires are pretty rare in modern centerfire pistols, but that's probably the least fucked up thing about that story, so what's the point in arguing.  The real shame is that once he gets out of prison in a few years, he'll probably have a whole litter of kids even dumber than him.  Par for the course for Oklahoma tho, even their casinos are dumb and annoying.

[Sheepherder]

Slamfire isn't necessarily the issue, the issue was that he probably pulled the trigger, on an unloaded pistol, which apparently was loaded.

With the risk of sounding too liberal or can barely see fucking straight drunk: this fucker should have been forced to withdraw his rights to wield a pistol, shotgun,  or rifle, he's too pig-fucking stupid for any.  Check.  Your.  Motherfucking.  Chamber.  First.  Then the magazine.  Yes, I know it prolongs your climax, fucking do it anyways.  For fuck's sake, don't do it in the first place and have normal sexual relations with your girlfriend, perish the though.

[schild]

So, 23 year old and a 50 year old.

Let's discuss mommy issues instead of gun safety.



Edit: Man, that guy is the poster child for prison bitches.

[K9]

Guns aren't toys.

[Paelos]

Guns aren't toys.

Neither are 50 year old women.

[Nerf]

Slamfire isn't necessarily the issue, the issue was that he probably pulled the trigger, on an unloaded pistol, which apparently was loaded.

With the risk of sounding too liberal or can barely see fucking straight drunk: this fucker should have been forced to withdraw his rights to wield a pistol, shotgun,  or rifle, he's too pig-fucking stupid for any.  Check.  Your.  Motherfucking.  Chamber.  First.  Then the magazine.  Yes, I know it prolongs your climax, fucking do it anyways.  For fuck's sake, don't do it in the first place and have normal sexual relations with your girlfriend, perish the though.

Magazine first, then chamber.  If you do anything more than a quick press to check your chamber, which really isn't enough to do anything other than confirm it's loaded, you'll end up racking the slide, seeing an empty chamber, and then drop it on a loaded magazine, cycling a round into the chamber.

Manslaughter is a felony though, so no more guns for him anyways.

[ghost]

Pulled the slide...riiiight.
Slamfires are pretty rare in modern centerfire pistols, but that's probably the least fucked up thing about that story, so what's the point in arguing.  The real shame is that once he gets out of prison in a few years, he'll probably have a whole litter of kids even dumber than him.  Par for the course for Oklahoma tho, even their casinos are dumb and annoying.

Thankfully, not a lot of birth control is necessary for 50 year old women. 

[Oban]

[Morat20]

Buy...a realistic toy gun, dumbfuck. Or hell, take a real one and and make it your damn 'sex gun' by fully blocking the chamber and barrel. You can't fire a gun if it can't ever be loaded.

I'm sure that might not make your sex play as 'real' but having her brains splattered on the fucking wall and you spending a few years being 'bottom' in jail is probably a bigger boner killer.

And now that the practical advice is done: GO SEE A FUCKING THERAPIST. SEX PLAY DOESN'T NEED GUNS.

[Mrbloodworth]

The gun play may not have been for him. Just sayin.

[Paelos]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trR5ROuf1Uk

[Lantyssa]

The gun play may not have been for him. Just sayin.

Doesn't matter who it was for.  It's as stupid as taking power tools to bed.  (Which reminds me of that thread that produced similar but even less pleasant results...)

[Mrbloodworth]

Well, yeah. Its stupid. Just seems like a lot of the comments were aimed at the guy.


(punny?)

[Minvaren]

"Now here, class, we have an example of the differences between SSC and RACK."

[Kitsune]

I really have to wonder whether it's feasible to have some transparent material over the chamber so that people could see at a glance whether there's a bullet inside.  Anything weak would instantly break when the first shot was fired, of course, but we have some pretty sturdy synthetic crystals and polymers now, and being able to see the presence of a bullet without pulling the slide back could keep a few idiots from killing people every year.

[Sand]

could keep a few idiots from killing people every year.

Darwin disapproves. 

[MahrinSkel]

You just train the reflexes.  I *can't* pick up a gun without checking the chamber and mag/cylinder.  It's such an automatic reflex that I'm more likely to leave the bathroom with my fly unzipped than to take or relinquish control of a firearm without going through the steps.  I go to a gun store and I watch the guy behind the counter do it, then when he hands it to me I do it again, because it is not "unloaded" until I personally *see* that it is unloaded.

--Dave

[UnSub]

Personally I think if you've got to bring a weapon to bed for sex, you've already failed, but that's just me. (Sorry if that image doesn't work... and now it is on my Amazon search list. Oh goody.)

[CaptainNapkin]

You just train the reflexes.  I *can't* pick up a gun without checking the chamber and mag/cylinder.  It's such an automatic reflex that I'm more likely to leave the bathroom with my fly unzipped than to take or relinquish control of a forearm without going through the steps.  I go to a gun store and I watch the guy behind the counter do it, then when he hands it to me I do it again, because it is not "unloaded" until I personally *see* that it is unloaded.

--Dave

This is my exact opinion. I absolutely cannot grasp how anyone could not know gun is loaded, though I suspect that outside of sheer stupidity it basically boils down to respect. They simply do not respect the weapon.

Also not buying this one was an accident.

[caladein]

(Sorry if that image doesn't work... and now it is on my Amazon search list. Oh goody.)

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[Lantyssa]

This is my exact opinion. I absolutely cannot grasp how anyone could not know gun is loaded, though I suspect that outside of sheer stupidity it basically boils down to respect. They simply do not respect the weapon.

If one is putting a gun to someone's head, I can't imagine they really respect the person either.

[Sheepherder]

Magazine first, then chamber.  If you do anything more than a quick press to check your chamber, which really isn't enough to do anything other than confirm it's loaded, you'll end up racking the slide, seeing an empty chamber, and then drop it on a loaded magazine, cycling a round into the chamber.

I was thinking of actions where the slide locks open on an empty chamber, and personally I wouldn't be storing a gun with a magazine inserted, so the check there would just be confirmation that it does indeed not have a magazine inserted.  But yeah, you're right, drop the clip and clear the chamber is better.

[TheWalrus]

The real question is did he finish up?

[Sir T]

I would imagine a gun going off next to your ear would cause a headache.

[Cheddar]

Everyone missed the point.   

[tazelbain]

This is my exact opinion. I absolutely cannot grasp how anyone could not know gun is loaded, though I suspect that outside of sheer stupidity it basically boils down to respect. They simply do not respect the weapon.

If one is putting a gun to someone's head, I can't imagine they really respect the person either.

Prude.

[Simond]

Everyone missed the point.   

Was it hollow?

[Nerf]

Magazine first, then chamber.  If you do anything more than a quick press to check your chamber, which really isn't enough to do anything other than confirm it's loaded, you'll end up racking the slide, seeing an empty chamber, and then drop it on a loaded magazine, cycling a round into the chamber.

I was thinking of actions where the slide locks open on an empty chamber, and personally I wouldn't be storing a gun with a magazine inserted, so the check there would just be confirmation that it does indeed not have a magazine inserted.  But yeah, you're right, drop the clip and clear the chamber is better.

Force of habit for me, except for the target guns, everything is loaded and generally chambered.  An unloaded gun is just a really small and shitty club.
The whole 'aaah loaded gun!' thing is a bit odd at first, but a couple years of carrying a loaded gun with no safety for a few years gives you a healthy respect for the gun and really rams home that you never, ever fucking touch the trigger unless you are shooting it.
We don't have kids either, and if Einstein ever figures out how to fire a gun, we're all fucked anyways.

[Koyasha]

Force of habit for me, except for the target guns, everything is loaded and generally chambered.  An unloaded gun is just a really small and shitty club.

This, for me.  The idea of an unloaded gun makes no sense unless it's being transported or something of that nature.  If I have a gun around I want to be no more than a pull of the slide away from being able to fire if necessary.  By the same token, I automatically assume that all guns are always loaded, never point it anywhere that I don't want it firing, and never put a finger on the trigger unless I'm ready to shoot.

As for these idiots...well, if they want to screw around playing at guns during sex that's up to them, but they should definitely be using one that's been disabled from being functional.  Anything else is idiotic.

Although I'm down with the idea that maybe this wasn't really accidental after all.

[MahrinSkel]

I didn't say I didn't keep guns loaded.  Only that I am *always* absolutely certain if they're loaded, and since I do have kids the only one that is routinely kept loaded is inside a drawer safe with a spring loaded lid and a digital combination.

Once upon a time, I kept a fully loaded semi-auto in the bedside table, and there were other loaded weapons around the house.  But I always knew which ones were loaded, and I *still* went through the steps every time I picked them up, even if only to confirm they were still loaded.

--Dave

[Sheepherder]

Force of habit for me, except for the target guns, everything is loaded and generally chambered.  An unloaded gun is just a really small and shitty club.
The whole 'aaah loaded gun!' thing is a bit odd at first, but a couple years of carrying a loaded gun with no safety for a few years gives you a healthy respect for the gun and really rams home that you never, ever fucking touch the trigger unless you are shooting it.
We don't have kids either, and if Einstein ever figures out how to fire a gun, we're all fucked anyways.

Canada requires:

1. Unloaded.
2. Inoperable (bolt or carrier removed, gun lock, locked container).
3. Ammunition is not readily accessible, unless it is also locked up.

[Sand]

In your home or just when transporting?

[Kitsune]

Going from locked up, unloaded gun to loaded and cocked gun in your hand is about five seconds for anything magazine-fed and a safe with one of those fast-entry keypads.  A little more if you have a revolver with a speed-loader.  That's not really unreasonable a demand for a government to make.  After all, if your home doesn't suck, anyone breaking into it should have to make a fair amount of noise, enough warning to give you those seconds to ready a gun.  

At the very least, I wouldn't have a round chambered.  If the half second to rack the slide is a life or death thing, you're already probably fucked.  I feel more comfortable treating the slide as the point of no return, an unmistakable action that makes the gun dangerous.  People can fiddle with little motions like touching the safety and trigger without meaning to, or effectively do so if they drop the gun, but it's really really hard to accidentally rack the slide.

[Sheepherder]

In your home or just when transporting?

In the home.  #2 is multiple choice.  Applies to both long guns and handguns.

IMO Mahrin's setup is a little silly, as was said.  It will take you five seconds to get the safe open, the extra time it takes to get an unloaded gun, or a loaded gun without a chambered round into battery will be inconsequential beside that.  Easier and safer to buy a can of bear mace, an effective melee weapon, and yell "Honey, get my gun."