Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)

[Falconeer]

Some awesome stats from Llyse (Alive not Dead) vs. Modern Angel (Team Snoosnoo) match:



This is just the 1D6 chart.
According to the always questionable numbers (the chance value in the upper part of the picture), Modern Angel has been "luckier" than Llyse. This is clearly bullshit, since it can only calculate how many times you beat the odds. It doesn't really take into account how FATAL is that one pickup you failed or how that failed Going for it is gonna kill your player on the spot.

Still, Modern Angel rolled dice 49 times against Llyse's 31. The less you roll, the lower your chances of killing yourself. Heh.
Props for keeping your troll on the smart side (11 out of 12 attempts).

Occurrences shows exactly what you got with each die. Modern Angel's orcs rolled nine 1s. That can't be good.


FAKE EDIT: I just noticed that the "pass" value is fucked up. It considers it a success unless you get a fumble. That's what is giving MA the edge on chance factor, with a +64, which he clearly didn't have.

[Llyse]

Pretty awesome math Fu.

What did you use for this Falcon, Blood bowl manager?

I eagerly await more games played so that their match may be scrutinised by enemy coaches...

I didn't feel lucky initially with that ghoul death and the blitz action on receiving.

But Nuffle came through for the dead in the end 

[Falconeer]

Yes, BBManager.

Two things about it:

From now on, I'd love to receive a replay from one of the two players after every match. That's the way you "feed" BBManager and keep it up to date, and I love replays anyawy. So please, everyone send me the match replay via email right after you played your game.

Then, and this is very cool, if you install BBManager and look up for our League and log in to it (in BBManager) with the usual password, you'll be able to see those data from your computer. No need to feed it the replays too, everything is stored on the BBManager server as uploaded by the League Commissioner. Which is awesome since you can check all the craziest stats, standings and analysis without even have to launch the game.

[Modern Angel]

There's a very good reason why I rolled so much more: once I was down to 7 players (4 of whom were black orcs) I had no choice but to take retarded dodge risks in order to try to eke out a miracle tackle or touchdown. It got very ugly at the end.

[proudft]

The Pointy Hat Squad decided to crash to desktop before kickoff.  Not sure how resettable our match is.   Stupid elves!

[Falconeer]

Very resettable. No score is valid until the League Commissioner validates it, so yes you will be able to replay. Yay.

[Falconeer]

And we got Strazos in the League, just in time.

Xuri, you have a match 

[proudft]

Pointy Hat Squad over Denton Despoilers, 2-1, after our aborted first attempt to play.  A couple of minor injuries, no deaths.  The elves tried to stay away from the stinky orcs as much as possible.

The elves first score was a dangerous out-of-rerolls pass that fortunately paid off.

The orcs drove to the endzone in the second half and had the opportunity to stall for a 1-1 tie but, as the ball was held by a goblin, chose to score before he decided to drop or eat it. 

With just a few turns left, the elves managed to wriggle into the endzone for their 2nd touchdown just before the end of the game with three dodges and the use of a reroll.

Emailing replay.

[Ruvaldt]

A classic battle between orc and elf.  The coach has decided, however, that Jojo the goblin will be savagely beaten for his early touchdown.

Good match, Proudfoot.  Your elves performed admirably, and not a one was eaten in the process.

[proudft]

I'm glad we were able to get it reset for the glorious elven victory.  Thanks for putting up with that process.  Hopefully it won't crash again.   

This one was easy to ask for a reset because I crashed before we even kicked off, but what should we do in the future if it crashes mid-game?  I don't want to screw anyone out of a probable comeback win or something.  Will we have A Policy, Falconeer?

[Falconeer]

When a bashy orc team rolls 42 times to break elven armours, and succeeds only 7 times, it means you should have stayed home. Heh.


To answer your question, Proudft, we never had a policy cause we refused to think anyone from f13 would crash or disconnect on purpose. I think we should proceed on a case by case basis, and since there are no precedents yet, we will eventually start thinking about it when we'll have a first case.

Deciding to repeat by default all games where anyone crashed would be tempting for the inner cheater inside you all, while deciding to never repeat a match would be too punishing for the guy who's having a thunderstorm cutting off his power/connection.

[Ruvaldt]

Yeah, it certainly felt like they were pretty hardy for a bunch of elves.  Those numbers jive with how it felt during the match.

Gah, I love this game, win or lose.

If anyone wants to play outside of the league I'm usually up for a game.  I'll be playing in the public league a bit more often now between f13 league matches.

[Megrim]

Post the replays you nerds.

[Falconeer]

Megrim, install BBmanager, and you can download all the replays from there as soon as we post them (usually right after the match), and access all the stats. They keep them on a server, for free. Can you believe it?

[Teleku]

I'd say it might be nice to also post links to them in the thread for those following along who aren't in league, but no biggy.

If all goes well, IainC and I shall fight a duel to the death with elves tomorrow morning.  Hopefully I wake up in time.   

[Falconeer]

Pointy Hat Squad over Denton Despoilers, 2-1, after our aborted first attempt to play.  A couple of minor injuries, no deaths.  The elves tried to stay away from the stinky orcs as much as possible.

The elves first score was a dangerous out-of-rerolls pass that fortunately paid off.

The orcs drove to the endzone in the second half and had the opportunity to stall for a 1-1 tie but, as the ball was held by a goblin, chose to score before he decided to drop or eat it. 

With just a few turns left, the elves managed to wriggle into the endzone for their 2nd touchdown just before the end of the game with three dodges and the use of a reroll.

Emailing replay.

Haha, that fumbled pass in the open and in your defensive half in turn 6 by that blitzer, Kiirdud Landeredal is epic fail 

On the other hand, that goblin orc moveing reckessly towards the end zone in turn 7, just to be annhiliated bt the same fumbling elf blitzer on the following action (who totally cleared his name by being the defensive hero of the day), was a big mistake and probably worth a go for it (with rerolls) to get out of blitzing range. He has definitely been punished (Serious Concussion) for being so carefree, heh!

[Falconeer]

Ok there is something weird going on with my money. Basically, I spent all my 1000000 to create the team, which is in fact worth 1000 TV. But now I still have 90k to spend.

I "technically" won the game against the dummy opponent (as did ezrast, in group 1), I had to manually set the score to 1-0 and validate it, but of course we don't get a win or any points since the other team is not actually in the League anymore. My assumption is that, for some reason, the system still awards the winner the money from the winning. If that is the case, I got 90k from my fake victory. Is that even possible? To generate winning you roll 1D6, add your FAME (which I think can't be greater than 2), multiply by 10k and add another 10k if you are the winner. Assuming I rolled a 6 that would be 60k, plus 10k for winning, plus 20k for my FAME being 2 (having gathered twice as many fans as my fake opponent, who didn't show up). Seems legit.

Thing is, I can't remember if I actually rolled for the winning, and if I was asked for reroll (happens when you are the winner), so I wonder if this is automated due to the match not being really played, or I am missing something. Conversely, ezrast only got 40k. Which means he got 20k for FAME 2, plus 10k for winning the game.... plus 10k for rolling a 1? I guess only ezrast can solve the mystery by telling us if he actually remembers rolling anything for his dummy-win or not.

On my part, I am posting this cause my team is basically starting with more money than anyone else and I am trying to be transparent, while looking for a rule answer, before anyone legitimally wonders if I cheated or what.

Good news is, the team resting each Game Day gets some free money out of it, from a minumum of 40k (ezrast) to a maximum of 90k (me).


FAKE EDIT: In case you are wondering if I kept resetting my fake-game and reassigning me a brand new win until I got a 6, that's not possible as I only get the money once I "validate" the score, and that cannot be undone.

[Modern Angel]

Thanks for the transparency. I don't have any issues with it. It's weird but whatever, since everyone should get the same consideration. Ruleswise, isn't there a bonus for winning or is the reroll the only bonus for winning?

[Ruvaldt]

On the other hand, that goblin orc moveing reckessly towards the end zone in turn 7, just to be annhiliated bt the same fumbling elf blitzer on the following action (who totally cleared his name by being the defensive hero of the day), was a big mistake and probably worth a go for it (with rerolls) to get out of blitzing range.

Yep, and I've been kicking myself over not using the go for it all day.  When you run a squad of orcs you sometimes forget that there are actually a few members of your team that can get away with moves like that.  Live and learn.

[Falconeer]

MA, the bonus is the 10k plus the reroll. For your rest Game Day you basically get 30k fixed plus 1 rerollable D6 (but you have to accept the rerolled result). Hence, 40k to 90k.

[Strazos]

Sorry for holding up the league folks - I was away on business for a week, and thought we were not doing anything until later or something; I had no idea how this league stuff works.

[ezrast]

Thing is, I can't remember if I actually rolled for the winning, and if I was asked for reroll (happens when you are the winner), so I wonder if this is automated due to the match not being really played, or I am missing something. Conversely, ezrast only got 40k. Which means he got 20k for FAME 2, plus 10k for winning the game.... plus 10k for rolling a 1? I guess only ezrast can solve the mystery by telling us if he actually remembers rolling anything for his dummy-win or not.

Rolling anything? I haven't even logged in since the league started. I'll do that now and see if I can figure out what's what though.

edit: So, the league calendar shows me as going 1-0 against AndyDavo, my match record shows me as 0-0 against Joe Staniforth, my profile overview displays 6 Pools as being 0-0-0 W/D/L, and my coach statistics show me as having 1 draw which I definitely didn't earn on any other team. Searching for answers only leads to more questions, it seems.

Also, Falc, we both have FAME 0. So even if I thought you were cheating I have no idea how you'd get that much money.

[proudft]

I ended up with a ton of money too, but I am hazy on the details.  I was pretty sure I started with 0 gp leftover.  

Game ends, I rolled a 2 for money, and I figured, hey that was a d6 roll, I can do better, so I hit reroll and bam, on the next screen with 120k.   It seemed high, but I'm not sure how it works.  My fame/fanfactor/whatever was 1 after the game I think.   I bought a Catcher (probably shoulda got an apothecary, but oh well) with 90k of it.

I'm looking at the rules now and don't see how that 120k was possible.  Maybe a new bug?  Time to go check the forums I guess.

And yes, that blitzer went from idiot to hero very quickly.  

EDIT: Aha, if you go to Overview on my team, the plot thickens.   It says the winnings results were 70k for the Denton Despoilers and 30k for me.  Seems like something weird is happening.   I've posted here http://www.cyanide-studio.com/forumBB/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=23423 to see what happens.  If it's a one-time bug I can easily fix it by firing a Catcher.

[eldaec]

Presumably your team would have got some money from the conceded game?

The team exists independently of the league, so I'd presume that even if you scrub the disconnect game from the league, I would think it should stay on the team record.

FAKE EDIT : Just went online and according to the team record chart you've played one match, which you won 2-1 despite disconnecting. So it is recognising that the disconnect game and the replay are the same game, but my suspicion is that you are getting paid out twice and and only the first payment gets recorded.

[Ruvaldt]

I definitely ended up with 70,000 and that was that.  Bought a third goblin and have 30,000 to spare currently.

[eldaec]

Probably not worth it now, but it just occurred to me that what we should have done is had the group 1 rester play the group 2 rester in Auld or whatever, then edit that result in to both groups.

[proudft]

Looking at my match record, it occurs to me that it shows our league game as 'opponent dropped'.  I.e., my computer thinks Ruvaldt bailed for some reason.  So it may have given me bonus money for that.  But at least Ruvaldt got his money, so it didn't screw him out of it (his 70k seems high because he actually bought Fan Factor, that crazy man) and I'm the only one affected.

So if I fire the 90k Catcher I just bought that will leave me with 30k which would have been the results my first roll anyway; it'd be like I never pushed Reroll on the money roll.  Sound like a plan, Falconeer?

[Falconeer]

This is so weird.

Yes, fine by me. In the future, whenever there is a disconnected match, let's try to pay attention to what is the REAL winnings from the next completed match, and then spend/waste any eventual excess amount in cheerleaders or assistant coaches.

Also, Falc, we both have FAME 0. So even if I thought you were cheating I have no idea how you'd get that much money.

If I am not mistaken, FAME has not to be confused with Fun Factor. FAME is a score that is different every time you play, and it can be 0, +1, +2 based between the difference in spectators and Fun Factor between you and your opponent for that match. If you win by disconnection, it's easy to assume your opponent had 0 spectators, so you get a +2 FAME for the match, resulting in 20k additional winning.
Our money could be right, Ezrast, those of Ruvaldt and Proudft probably aren't.

[Megrim]

Check to see if you have an extra mvp and two +3 xp point distributions. Typically, you get that much money (so for example 120k) because in the event of a disconnect you get your own winnings, and those of the opponent who d/c'ed. You also get their mvp and two 'bonus' touchdowns in experience, randomly allocated.

Also, i need more coffee. This post had like 2o85673963 spelling mistakes.

[proudft]

Nope, just one MVP.  So strange.  I fired the 'free' catcher so my team should drop to 900something once the server figures it out.  Hopefully it will behave from now on.

[Ruvaldt]

Not on my end either.  One mvp, no free TDs, etc.  I know what you're talking about though.  My Necromancy team on the public server got an extra mvp, etc, due to an opponent abandoning the game manually.

[Megrim]

Hm, weird. There WAS a money related exploit at team creation, I just need to look it up because I can't remember how it worked.

[Megrim]

Morsel 2 - 0 Necco Waivers.

In summary I think I can safely say that this game was less won by me, then it was lost by Avaia. Bad luck on some of those dice rolls, and on having to use up your re-rolls so early.

Oh and, SUPER THRALL! 

[Falconeer]

Nice!

I'm gonna validate the match right now, so you'll both get your money and XP.
Someone upload the replay on BBManager now, or if you are afraid of doing something wrong, please just mail it to me as soon as possible.

[Megrim]

Check your email, I've mailed the rep.