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Title: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Falconeer on October 28, 2010, 08:32:25 AM
1 year ago, 8 bold pioneers battled each other in the first f13 Blood Bowl league. It was buggy, it was messy, it was bloody. Aez won, all hail Aez and his heroic skaven team, the Fraggers.

Now, with the release of the new and improved Blood Bowl Legendary Edition, and the addition of 11 teams for a total of 20, we are ready to make things right, serious and in your face.



** f13 Blood Bowl League, Season #2 **

>>> (All the old info are under spoiler tags) <<<


We are currently Playing.....
Game Day #7 (of 7)
** All games have to be played BEFORE December 22nd **


Group 1

Team Snoosnoo - (Modern Angel) vs. Spleen Flay Hackers - (IainC)                    4 - 0                          
Alive Not Dead - (Llyse) vs. F13 Catfighters - (Comstar)
6 Pools - (Ezrast) vs. Hazardous Hippies - (Teleku)
- Silver Horde FC - (Eldaec) RESTS


Group 2

North by Northwest - (Xuri) vs. The Denton Despoilers - (Ruvaldt)      
The Bell Jar Utd. - (Falconeer) vs. Diplomatic Immunity - (Strazos)                     0 - 1                                  
Pointy Hat Squad - (Proudft) vs. Morsel - (Megrim)                            
- Necco Waivers - (Avaia) RESTS


** All games have to be played BEFORE December 22nd **

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Game Day #6, Scores and Standings.



Scores:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/6%20scores%20done.jpg)



Standings:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/6%20tables%20done.jpg)









Player stats:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/6%20players%20done.jpg)





Team stats:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/6%20teams%20done.jpg)




Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: eldaec on October 28, 2010, 08:47:00 AM
This is a pretty impressive post given I can't even download this fucker for a couple more hours.

I'm in though.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Teleku on October 28, 2010, 09:08:02 AM
I'm in.  I'll get start going down your list of chores after work.   :-P


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Ruvaldt on October 28, 2010, 09:14:38 AM
I'm in.   Also, thanks for doing this, Falconeer.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: proudft on October 28, 2010, 10:16:37 AM
Put me in, coach.  

Edit: changed my Steam name to match for less confusion.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Falconeer on October 28, 2010, 05:30:05 PM
Alright I think I am gonna be a suicide idiot and I am gonna go with Amazons in this League. What are you peeps gonna do?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Megrim on October 28, 2010, 05:48:30 PM
If you run this under the default ruleset (i.e. not Blitz), i think you have access to all the inducements (Babes, Wizards, Star Players) except potions. Which is the best format in my (non expert) opinion. Also, you may want to reconsider the 2-minute time limit. Personally i have no problem with it as this is how i run my small league with my mates, but for newer players 2-min turns can be a very harsh learning curve. I also play in a larger multi-division league which runs on 4min time, and i can say with confidence that sometimes in very tight matches even an experienced player needs that time to think. For example, i suspect that playing Vampires with 2min turns will be hard.

Apart from that, thank you for organizing this, and, ugh... now i have to pick a team. Oh dear.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Strazos on October 28, 2010, 05:50:40 PM
This looks...interesting. How does the game actually...work. Is there a demo?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Megrim on October 28, 2010, 06:02:44 PM
Unfortunately there is no demo. The best description i've ever heard of Blood Bowl has been: Chess with random natural disasters.

It's a turn-based mix of Gridiron, the Warhammer fantasy world and elves being smushed all over the pitch.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Modern Angel on October 28, 2010, 06:33:52 PM
I don't find two minutes that onerous and certainly not with a few games under your belt. Play the AI, speed up their turns, learn. Really, with four minute turns games can reach an hour and a half. I, for one, can't do that.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: eldaec on October 28, 2010, 06:53:17 PM
In an ideal world they'd have a chess clock system.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Llyse on October 28, 2010, 07:04:03 PM
I'm in.  :heart:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Modern Angel on October 28, 2010, 07:08:18 PM
Falc, definitely go with Cup option on the league. I wouldn't split into two pools until you hit the 16 team mark, which we won't.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Xuri on October 28, 2010, 07:22:49 PM
I've never played it before, but I bought it on Steam earlier today. I might join, but will have to give the game a whirl before I make up my mind. =P


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: proudft on October 28, 2010, 07:35:17 PM
Alright I think I am gonna be a suicide idiot and I am gonna go with Amazons in this League. What are you peeps gonna do?

I have no damn idea.  I like most of the old races except the extra slow moving ones, and I'm working my way through the new ones to see how I like them.  So far Nergles get a thumbs up and Necromancy neutral (I think my player choice on this one was sorta wrong though).

Has anyone else noticed a faint background 'boop' noise once in a while?  I haven't been able to figure out what it means and it is sort of driving me crazy.  I'm like 80% sure it's the game and not some other program but I see no pattern with the AI fake chat, game messages, the timer, or what's going on the field.  Aiiiieee!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Falconeer on October 28, 2010, 11:33:29 PM
Cool. With Llyse we just hit the 8 coaches mark. 9 as soon as Xuri gets addicted.

I agree that 4 minutes make up for better planned actions, but it really makes matches too long for most people. Plus, previous f13 League was 2 minutes and no one really complained. And the pressure tends to add to the crazyness. Which is all fun.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Ruvaldt on October 29, 2010, 12:24:09 AM
Alright I think I am gonna be a suicide idiot and I am gonna go with Amazons in this League. What are you peeps gonna do?

Normally I'd go Chaos, but they really only peak after you start to diversify your beastmen and beef up a minotaur.  A late-blooming team might not be the right way to go here.  Tempted to go Necromancy or Khemri, if I'm feeling daring.  I like Dwarves too though...this is tough.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Falconeer on October 29, 2010, 12:32:46 AM
I fokkin hate dwarves. Especially cause they bruise my amazons badly. No, seriously, all that blocking? I hate dwarves.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: IainC on October 29, 2010, 05:27:41 AM
I'll be in again for this one.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Modern Angel on October 29, 2010, 06:09:17 AM
I'm going to go either Norse or Orc, having a tough time deciding.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: proudft on October 29, 2010, 03:24:13 PM
Welp, I played a game as Khemri, and you know, they weren't as slow as I was anticipating, and kinda fun, too.  They're in my 'possible' list now.   :grin:   Might be a little boring long-term, though, dunno.

High Elves also got a thumbs up, though that isn't really unexpected.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Falconeer on October 29, 2010, 03:46:47 PM
I like Norsemen, but damn they are so fragile it's frustrating. Same problem I have with Amazons. Low AV can really impact my mood for the day.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Modern Angel on October 29, 2010, 04:55:50 PM
See, I feel like Norse play exactly like Dwarfs from the really old editions. And they were my team back when I was 13.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: eldaec on October 29, 2010, 06:28:01 PM
If you run this under the default ruleset (i.e. not Blitz)

I simply assumed we'll be running classic because there are no other formats.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Falconeer on October 29, 2010, 06:37:23 PM
If you run this under the default ruleset (i.e. not Blitz)

I simply assumed we'll be running classic because there are no other formats.

What's blitz? No, seriously, what Eldaec said.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Comstar on October 30, 2010, 05:02:34 AM
Please add me  - I've joined the steam group


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Falconeer on October 30, 2010, 06:33:02 AM
Added everyone to the list and we are 10 as of now, which is awesome. Possibly 12, if we get Xuri in, and maybe good ole Typhon whose arm only need some serious twisting.
I'd love to have some of the old chaps too, and I mean you Helm, Cadaverine, Ironwood and most important of all Aez, the defending champion. Aez, seriously, step up dude. You run away with the title?

I have only received 3 PMs so far though, and still waiting for the remaining 6. Not a big deal as there's plenty of time before starting, but the PM with your personal email is the "seal" that you care.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Strazos on October 30, 2010, 07:14:57 AM
I'll probably end up doing this, because...why the heck now.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Modern Angel on October 30, 2010, 08:50:13 AM
I'm posting this here just because it's top priority if you're in the league. FORWARD YOUR PORTS!

http://www.cyanide-studio.com/forumBB/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=15763

There's still an issue with direct connect sometimes, especially trans-Atlantic, with port 16962.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Llyse on October 31, 2010, 07:06:08 PM
Just a quick clarification,

Is the sign up date referring to signup to the in game league with your term correct?

I eagerly await information of the league to join  :drill:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Falconeer on October 31, 2010, 07:10:22 PM
Mmm no signup date refers to what you have to do here on the boards (see OP). After I know the number or participants I'll set up the League in game, and I'll give you all the password to join. That will realistically happen on November 11th.

Basically, I can't create the League in game until I know exactly how many people will join it.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: ezrast on November 01, 2010, 04:13:37 PM
I'm 90% in but I should buy the new version and make sure I can play online before I commit for srs.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Falconeer on November 01, 2010, 04:41:08 PM
Alright. I won't put your name down, but do your homeworks and get in the League. You have 9 days to figure it all out.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Falconeer on November 03, 2010, 10:46:32 AM
Last week to sign up.

Biggest disappointments so far, the absence of Aez (Reigning champion), Hoax and Azazel (wannabe winnarz), Trippy, Xuri and ezrast (own the game but didn't sign up for the League).

We are 11 by the way, meaning one too short and one too many. League needs even numbers.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: avaia on November 03, 2010, 12:02:04 PM
Yes, I accept.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Der Helm on November 03, 2010, 12:16:44 PM
Aez (Reigning champion)
Hey! I would have stomped him, had I been able to get the game again. But since their customer service decided to ignore my inquiries about a new download link I was not able to reinstall the game since the last match I played way back then.

And I don't have enough money to  rebuy this new edition.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Falconeer on November 03, 2010, 04:56:35 PM
Helm, that's a shame. You were good at this game.

And yay avaia. You are the 12th.

Still 2 (or 4) places available! Join up, chaps!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: ezrast on November 03, 2010, 09:26:38 PM
I managed to successfully play - well, successfully connect and then unsuccessfully play (I hope you guys are as terrible as you say you are) - a game online, so I guess that means I'm good to go. I just have to decide on a team, and then learn to play them in 2 minutes.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Teleku on November 03, 2010, 10:54:24 PM
Last week to sign up.

Biggest disappointments so far, the absence of Aez (Reigning champion), Hoax and Azazel (wannabe winnarz), Trippy, Xuri and ezrast (own the game but didn't sign up for the League).

We are 11 by the way, meaning one too short and one too many. League needs even numbers.
Hoax is still serving a 1 month ban for Politics forum shenanigans.  Not sure when its up.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Falconeer on November 04, 2010, 12:25:18 AM
Last week to sign up.

Biggest disappointments so far, the absence of Aez (Reigning champion), Hoax and Azazel (wannabe winnarz), Trippy, Xuri and ezrast (own the game but didn't sign up for the League).

We are 11 by the way, meaning one too short and one too many. League needs even numbers.
Hoax is still serving a 1 month ban for Politics forum shenanigans.  Not sure when its up.

Oh...


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Falconeer on November 04, 2010, 01:56:37 AM
We got ezrast too. We are 13 now. We totally need a 14th (or three more to get to 16).

Hoax ban should be lifted on November 10th. Anyone has a way to try and contact him before that?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Falconeer on November 05, 2010, 03:51:15 AM
I'm off to Paris for 3 days. I'll be back on Monday. Keep signing up! I'll sort your mails and update the OP as soon as I'll be back.

6 days to League kickoff!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, before November 11th)
Post by: Falconeer on November 08, 2010, 12:21:41 AM

2 days to kickoff!

We DESPERATELY need another Coach (even numbers, or League doesn't work)! Please someone, anyone, step up. Or find a real life friend, get him/her a copy and blackmail him/her into playing. Quick!

Plus, Eldaec and IainC, I still need your PM with an email address to formally sign you up. Otherwise, I'll write you off. Seriously?  :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, 2 days left!!!)
Post by: Modern Angel on November 08, 2010, 07:25:23 AM
Worst case double up a dummy team that autoloses to anyone they play.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, 2 days left!!!)
Post by: Falconeer on November 08, 2010, 07:34:49 AM
Only if we go with a single pool. Which would mean 12 match/weeks total, not counting playoffs. Isn't that too long?

Yes, I agree that the longer a Blood Bowl League the better, but players who are doing bad are known to lose interest pretty early, so I was aiming for two pools of 7 teams. What do you all think?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, 2 days left!!!)
Post by: Modern Angel on November 08, 2010, 07:51:47 AM
Two pools would probably be ideal given how every league I've ever been in goes. Can always have one of the truly dedicated take two teams.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, 2 days left!!!)
Post by: eldaec on November 08, 2010, 10:37:47 AM
Just sent  a pm, or possibly two, weird shit happened. btw if anyone is ever trying to reach me, pms here or posting in threads will get to me much faster. I'm terrible at checking email.


Regarding the format, I'd even consider 3 pools, then start a second season almost immediately while play offs for pool winners run concurrently.

Reading around, I'd also try to run the competition as manually as you can - set up the pools as separate leagues and the playoffs as an independent knockout competition. People are having all sorts of trouble with the automated competitions. This has an added advantage that you can spread around more trophies and have payouts for winning/second in the pools.

If we don't have even numbers I think you can create a dummy team and immediately kick it out of the competition, which sets all the results to 0-0.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, 2 days left!!!)
Post by: Teleku on November 08, 2010, 10:57:05 AM
Sure, my good friend Ukelet would be interested in creating another team to help even the league.   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, 2 days left!!!)
Post by: Falconeer on November 08, 2010, 11:34:46 AM
The idea of two separated Leagues due to technical deficiencies on the software part makes me sad. I'd stick to one League of two pools, but exactly what kind of issues have you read of about automated competitions?

If we can't get a 14th member we'll add a fake team in one of the two pools and we'll kick it immediately. A coach with two teams is a nice idea, but it takes some feverish healthy rage away from the ONE TEAM against all kind of tournament that I'd like to grow.

In the meantime, if IainC doesn't show up by tomorrow, we'll have to drop him and cut down to 12 coaches anyway.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, 2 days left!!!)
Post by: Ingmar on November 08, 2010, 11:37:15 AM
When do you think this would be starting? I am interested but I have a bunch of holiday travel whatnot in November and December and probably couldn't play my matches in a timely manner until January. I should probably just wait until the next time.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, 2 days left!!!)
Post by: Falconeer on November 08, 2010, 11:45:44 AM
That sucks, Ingmar.

All the info you require are in the opening post. Matches would be one every 9 days, arranged between the coaches according to a predefined randomized schedule. Timer starts running on November 11th. First game has to be played before November 20th, second by November 29th, and so on. Based on the actual roster each coach will play a minimum of 6 games not counting playoffs, so the whole thing should be over by the end of January.

See what you can do! There will certainly be a f13 League Season #3, unless I destroy everyone and they all chicken out.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, 2 days left!!!)
Post by: Ingmar on November 08, 2010, 11:48:19 AM
Yeah that won't work out for me, then, unless I just forfeit a couple weeks where I'll be gone the whole time. I will just have to save the savage beatdowns for the next season.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, 2 days left!!!)
Post by: Falconeer on November 08, 2010, 11:49:39 AM
Addition to the Rules (this is going to be edited into the Opening Post):  

The League will be observing a 12 days break during Holiday season, so the 9 days counter will be frozen on December 23 2010, and will resume running on January 3rd 2011.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, 2 days left!!!)
Post by: Modern Angel on November 08, 2010, 11:50:07 AM
Yeah, not like next season won't be going and maybe have more/fewer teams.

Two leagues is absolutely no go. It's hard enough getting people to finish one. If the technical stuff becomes an issue we'll look at it then but I'd prefer to see us do it on the up and up first.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, 2 days left!!!)
Post by: eldaec on November 08, 2010, 12:00:12 PM
Problems I was talking about mostly refer to competitions freezing or not paying out at the end of phases. Some people seem to have had issues with promotion/relegation mechanics.

It doesn't seem to collapse in mid pool - and I have no idea how common the problems I see people posting actually are, so worst case you can always reconstruct playoffs however you'd like them if a problem arises.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, 2 days left!!!)
Post by: proudft on November 08, 2010, 12:14:25 PM
So if you do two pools of 7, there'd be 6 games plus maybe 5 playoff games?  (14->7->4?->2->1)  Am I understanding this right?   Sorry, I'm not a big sports person.   :oh_i_see: 

Just trying to pick a damn team.   If the max is 11 games, I could probably pick anything though.  :grin:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, 2 days left!!!)
Post by: Modern Angel on November 08, 2010, 12:25:16 PM
Two pools of seven would be six games, yes. Playoffs would be set by the manager, anything from top two to everyone. I'd think top four or top eight would be best.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, 2 days left!!!)
Post by: proudft on November 08, 2010, 12:29:48 PM
MUMMIES IT IS.  Unless I change my mind back to high elves.  Or lizards.   Christ, I should just roll a d20.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (sign up here, 2 days left!!!)
Post by: Falconeer on November 08, 2010, 01:00:39 PM
2 pools of seven means top 2 from each pool advance to the Semifinals. Doing the top 4 of each pool, with a pool of 6 teams (seventh being a fake one) doesn't sound that exciting (I don't like a playoff made of 8 teams out of 13 participants).

So each team will play from a minimum of 6 matches to a maximum of 8.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Falconeer on November 09, 2010, 01:21:05 AM
13 confirmed participants so far.

Last day to sign up, you lazy gits!


(Damn, 13 coaches for the f13 League? We should make this a feature)


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Xuri on November 09, 2010, 08:01:17 AM
Hrm.

Okay, what the heck. Sign me up!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Falconeer on November 09, 2010, 11:12:05 AM
Awesome!

Apparently we can't make 2 pools with 14 teams, so I set up a 16 teams League with 2 dummy teams, which will be kicked as soon as the season start. Which is not even that bad, as it will give an extra "bye" week to each Coach. The League is created at the moment, so you can start making your teams and applying in game. I am sending you right now via email the password and the instructions to join.

Please do so AS SOON AS POSSIBLE so we will be able to start right away on November 11th.

Note that there is still room for 2 coaches, should anyone decide to join last minute.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Modern Angel on November 09, 2010, 11:57:19 AM
Hot!

I want to repeat something: FORWARD YOUR PORTS EVEN IF YOU ARE IN THE DMZ OR RUN WITH YOUR ROUTER OPEN! DO IT NOW, DO IT AHEAD OF YOUR FIRST MATCH!

Their packet code seems to be stupid for direct connect games. Refer to the links I provided when I said this the first time. (I'll repeat them here once I have a baby off my lap)


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: proudft on November 09, 2010, 12:02:51 PM
There's a new patch today, too.  Info here, up on Steam "soon" for those of us with the Steam version:

http://www.cyanide-studio.com/forumBB/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=23035

Edit: and ha ha, can't even log into multiplayer until it's updated.  Oh well, more time to mull which team to pick, I guess. :grin:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Comstar on November 09, 2010, 03:38:34 PM
Err, I got an email with your Steam Name, but not the first one with the actual details.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Ruvaldt on November 09, 2010, 03:50:03 PM
Did you check your spam filter?  I know that is where I found the initial email.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Falconeer on November 09, 2010, 03:55:12 PM
Ruvaldt and Comstar, are your emails case sensitive? And is first letter of your address Capitals or not?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Ruvaldt on November 09, 2010, 04:03:06 PM
It's not case-sensitive, but it doesn't really matter.  I've since set the spam filter to not be so vigilant regarding emails you send me.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Comstar on November 09, 2010, 06:05:55 PM
Well my spam filter ate it, which is weird, so please reword it and send it again. Or PM it to me. Or both.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: avaia on November 09, 2010, 11:09:39 PM
Well I see someone already took orcs (EZ MODE), so I will go necro.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Falconeer on November 10, 2010, 12:17:44 AM
Halfway there! Seven teams joined, waiting for the other seven. Come on guys. League starts TOMORROW!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: IainC on November 10, 2010, 04:10:22 AM
Wasn't able to log in to multiplayer before, have applied now.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Megrim on November 10, 2010, 04:43:48 AM
Applied as welll. If Llyse hasn't yet applied, I will try to get onto him. He is in Hong Kong and leads a drug & alcohol fueled lifestyle, so it might be tricky.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Modern Angel on November 10, 2010, 05:24:43 AM
Iain, you card! The Belljar United has me laughing my ass off.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Falconeer on November 10, 2010, 06:03:12 AM
The Bell Jar gang is in for a royal beating. Amazons die like flies. It's depressing.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: eldaec on November 10, 2010, 09:02:45 AM
In as Silver Horde FC.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Falconeer on November 10, 2010, 09:31:51 AM
Sweet! 4 teams to go:

- strazos
- ezrast
- Llyse
- comstar

Get in the League! Just a few hours left!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Modern Angel on November 10, 2010, 03:17:55 PM
Oh shit, I thought Iain had made the Bell Jar when it's you. Well kudos. The player names had me rolling


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Falconeer on November 10, 2010, 04:37:18 PM
Only Llyse and Strazos still missing!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Modern Angel on November 10, 2010, 04:55:02 PM
Yall need to sign up because I want to play


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Llyse on November 10, 2010, 06:09:26 PM
My morning jacket!

Is ready to get worn to pieces  :drill:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Falconeer on November 10, 2010, 11:23:02 PM
Deadline was yesterday and we still miss two teams.

One is certainly Strazos. The other one is either Comstar or Llyse: who is of you two is "Catfud", coach of the "Alive not Dead" team?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Llyse on November 10, 2010, 11:36:43 PM
That's me and my team, apologies I mixed it up with my old team.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Falconeer on November 11, 2010, 12:20:04 AM
Ok Llyse, thank you.

So at the moment we miss Comstar (which I am sure will fix it up in a few hours) and Strazos... who was last online here 4 days ago. I wonder if he's on vacation somewhere, or actually OK to begin with  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Comstar on November 11, 2010, 03:00:15 AM
I've joined.  Still not getting any emails from Falconeer, but I saw emails from other people replying to his.



Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Teleku on November 11, 2010, 08:14:09 AM
Same thing happened to me.  Only saw the responses.  But then I found his original e-mail in my junk mail folder.  Don't know why all the responses wouldn't go as well....


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Falconeer on November 11, 2010, 08:50:32 AM
Seems like we are stuck until Strazos shows up. Fuck.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Modern Angel on November 11, 2010, 09:03:45 AM
Give him until the end of the day, replace him with a dummy team if he doesn't show. That's not me being a dick. That's me watching the exact same thing happen to every league. Be a tyrant. No mercy. Keep things moving.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Falconeer on November 11, 2010, 10:02:26 AM
Cute. We cannot add dummy Teams as the hardcoded rules are "Only one Team per Coach in any given League". No comment.

On the other hand, I think you can actually start with some empty spots in the pools.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Modern Angel on November 11, 2010, 11:13:33 AM
I wasn't aware of that. That stinks.

Can you start it and have him join later?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Falconeer on November 11, 2010, 11:25:04 AM
It doesn't start without 16 teams. I am asking in Public Chat for 3 volunteers to join it so I can start the League and I'll kick them out as soon as it is sorted. But this is, as usual, fucked up. Meh.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Modern Angel on November 11, 2010, 11:36:25 AM
Would it be easier to set it to 14 and only need one volunteer? Or did I miss something?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (LAST DAY to sign up!!!)
Post by: Falconeer on November 11, 2010, 12:15:21 PM
14 didn't work with the "Cup" format and 2 pools. Had to be 16.

I got the League started! I kicked out the 3 random guys, and now the Calendar is set. Apparently Strazos has time to join until the first match gets played. If he manages to join, he will take the place of the "Nerve Agents" dummy team, in "Pool 2".
What annoys me if Strazos doesn't get in is that we now have "Pool 1", with 7 teams, and "Pool 2", with 6 teams. Which means, Pool 2 will play one game less, and Coaches will have 2 "Game days" without an actual match instead of one. Boring.
Only way we could have made it different was with a single Championship pool of 13 teams (hence, 12 matches per team. Probably too many).


On the bright side, take a look at this beautiful third party program, BBManager (http://www.cyanide-studio.com/forumBB/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=13775). It is obviously legal and approved by Cyanide.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on November 11, 2010, 01:02:41 PM
Well, here's where I think we should go with this. Lame or not, we need to hammer out a season. Keep the momentum up, play promptly. At the end of the season, we'll either lose a couple from our 14 or gain a couple. But either way, the faster we do the season one the sooner we can reevaluate things and see if we need to expand it or contract.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 11, 2010, 01:19:17 PM
League Started!


** Group 1 **

Team Snoosnoo - (Modern Angel), Orc
Hazardous Hippies - (Teleku), Wood Elf
Spleen Flay Hackers - (IainC), Dark Elf
Silver Horde FC - (Eldaec), Norse
6 Pools - (Ezrast), Amazon
Alive Not Dead - (Llyse), Necromantic
F13 Catfighters - (Comstar), Amazon



** Group 2 **

The Bell Jar Utd. - (Falconeer), Amazon
Pointy Hat Squad - (Proudft), High Elf
The Denton Despoilers - (Ruvaldt), Orc
North by Northwest - (Xuri), Norse
Necco Waivers - (Avaia), Necromantic
Morsel - (Megrim), Vampire
Diplomatic Immunity - (Strazos), Norse




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Game Day #1
** All games have to be played BEFORE November 21st **


Group 1

F13 Catfighters - (Comstar) vs. Silver Horde FC - (Eldaec)
Hazardous Hippies - (Teleku) vs. Spleen Flay Hackers - (IainC)
Alive Not Dead - (Llyse) vs. Team Snoosnoo - (Modern Angel)
-- 6 Pools - (Ezrast) RESTS.


Group 2

The Denton Despoilers - (Ruvaldt) vs. Pointy Hat Squad - (Proudft)
Necco Waivers - (Avaia), Necromantic vs. Morsel - (Megrim)
North by Northwest - (Xuri), Norse vs. Diplomatic Immunity - (Strazos), Norse
-- The Bell Jar Utd. - (Falconeer) RESTS.


** All games have to be played BEFORE November 21st **
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------





Please, do your best to stay in touch with your opponent and play the game as soon as possible. Waiting until the last 2 days is usually the best way to NOT arrange a match before the deadline, and ruin the League experience for everyone.


** The Calendar is always going to be posted in the OP, so if you are lost, just check the OP, it'll be edited accordingly ** (click here) (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283)


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: eldaec on November 11, 2010, 03:47:25 PM
Comstar, times suggested in a pm, check your pms.


Also, were the groups manually chosen to minimise same race matchups, or did the system do that, or were we just lucky?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on November 11, 2010, 04:12:41 PM
Avaia, I am GMT+11, so let me know when you are free (and your GMT offset) for our game.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 11, 2010, 04:38:32 PM
Also, were the groups manually chosen to minimise same race matchups, or did the system do that, or were we just lucky?

Groups totally randomised. I didn't even pay attention to race matchups yet, yes they look cool.
And yes, I could have "handpicked" the groups, but I only made sure the 3 dummy teams weren't all in the same group, then give it a go. And hey, so many Amazons. I wasn't expecting that.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Teleku on November 11, 2010, 04:45:01 PM
Yeah, I actually was playing around with Amazons after I already submitted my team, and I probably would have gone for them as well.  Didn't realize you had access to 4 blitzers (who start with dodge and block) from the get go....

Also, tits.   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on November 11, 2010, 04:51:40 PM
So, Falc, do league results not show until they're certified by you? Because after a snorter of a game I was sent from my Orc team's postgame screen to the team screen of a halfling team I've played once, ever. My stats have not been altered on my orc team screen. No SPPs, no statistics, no win-loss update, nothing. It shows the correct result on the calender and on the scrolling recent matches doodad up top but nothing in league.



Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Teleku on November 11, 2010, 04:59:31 PM
Have you tried selecting your team from the main overview screen (for all online teams), and hitting the manage team button?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 11, 2010, 05:11:04 PM
Fixed. It's a feature. League Manager has to VALIDATE the result. I just did, so you and Llyse can enjoy your experience, money and SPPs now.

On another note, Modern Angel just lost (2 - 1, to Llyse) the first match of Season #2   :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on November 11, 2010, 05:28:04 PM
Yep, things are square now.

We had an absolutely insane match. I scored on my opening possession quite handily, killing his lone ghoul in the process. He proceeds, in the remaining four turns of the first half, to kill my lineman who scored and seriously injure three others.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on November 11, 2010, 05:43:51 PM
Reposted for general viewing:

Well Modern Angel and I just finished our first wild match and what a match it was.

Orc vs Necromantic it was always going to be a brawl with the edge to the Orcs.

A couple of KOs and Calvin the Drooler fall face first on failing to dodge a slobbery death meant buttface the lineorc ran in an easy touchdown.

Somehow though with Alive not Dead playing 3 cadavers down manage to equalise thanks to some unfortunate Orc injuries.

By the 2nd half Team SnooSnoo had 1 badly hurt, a gouged eye, smashed ankle and poor buttface was raped to death by spectators after his magnificent touchdown.

Final score was 2-1 to Alive not Dead (yet).


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: avaia on November 11, 2010, 07:14:19 PM
Avaia, I am GMT+11, so let me know when you are free (and your GMT offset) for our game.

PM deployed.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 11, 2010, 07:24:01 PM
Some awesome stats from Llyse (Alive not Dead) vs. Modern Angel (Team Snoosnoo) match:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/Llyse%20vs%20Modern%20Angel.jpg)

This is just the 1D6 chart.
According to the always questionable numbers (the chance value in the upper part of the picture), Modern Angel has been "luckier" than Llyse. This is clearly bullshit, since it can only calculate how many times you beat the odds. It doesn't really take into account how FATAL is that one pickup you failed or how that failed Going for it is gonna kill your player on the spot.

Still, Modern Angel rolled dice 49 times against Llyse's 31. The less you roll, the lower your chances of killing yourself. Heh.
Props for keeping your troll on the smart side (11 out of 12 attempts).

Occurrences shows exactly what you got with each die. Modern Angel's orcs rolled nine 1s. That can't be good.


FAKE EDIT: I just noticed that the "pass" value is fucked up. It considers it a success unless you get a fumble. That's what is giving MA the edge on chance factor, with a +64, which he clearly didn't have.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on November 11, 2010, 10:40:23 PM
Pretty awesome math Fu.

What did you use for this Falcon, Blood bowl manager?

I eagerly await more games played so that their match may be scrutinised by enemy coaches...

I didn't feel lucky initially with that ghoul death and the blitz action on receiving.

But Nuffle came through for the dead in the end  :drill:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 12, 2010, 12:24:58 AM
Yes, BBManager (http://www.cyanide-studio.com/forumBB/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=13775).

Two things about it:

From now on, I'd love to receive a replay from one of the two players after every match. That's the way you "feed" BBManager and keep it up to date, and I love replays anyawy. So please, everyone send me the match replay via email right after you played your game.

Then, and this is very cool, if you install BBManager and look up for our League and log in to it (in BBManager) with the usual password, you'll be able to see those data from your computer. No need to feed it the replays too, everything is stored on the BBManager server as uploaded by the League Commissioner. Which is awesome since you can check all the craziest stats, standings and analysis without even have to launch the game.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on November 12, 2010, 05:12:34 AM
There's a very good reason why I rolled so much more: once I was down to 7 players (4 of whom were black orcs) I had no choice but to take retarded dodge risks in order to try to eke out a miracle tackle or touchdown. It got very ugly at the end.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: proudft on November 12, 2010, 03:37:16 PM
The Pointy Hat Squad decided to crash to desktop before kickoff.  Not sure how resettable our match is.   Stupid elves!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 12, 2010, 03:50:09 PM
Very resettable. No score is valid until the League Commissioner validates it, so yes you will be able to replay. Yay.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 12, 2010, 04:37:24 PM
And we got Strazos in the League, just in time.

Xuri, you have a match  :drill:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: proudft on November 12, 2010, 05:22:37 PM
Pointy Hat Squad over Denton Despoilers, 2-1, after our aborted first attempt to play.  A couple of minor injuries, no deaths.  The elves tried to stay away from the stinky orcs as much as possible.

The elves first score was a dangerous out-of-rerolls pass that fortunately paid off.

The orcs drove to the endzone in the second half and had the opportunity to stall for a 1-1 tie but, as the ball was held by a goblin, chose to score before he decided to drop or eat it. 

With just a few turns left, the elves managed to wriggle into the endzone for their 2nd touchdown just before the end of the game with three dodges and the use of a reroll.

Emailing replay.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ruvaldt on November 12, 2010, 05:33:28 PM
A classic battle between orc and elf.  The coach has decided, however, that Jojo the goblin will be savagely beaten for his early touchdown.

Good match, Proudfoot.  Your elves performed admirably, and not a one was eaten in the process.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: proudft on November 12, 2010, 06:10:58 PM
I'm glad we were able to get it reset for the glorious elven victory.  Thanks for putting up with that process.  Hopefully it won't crash again.   :heartbreak:

This one was easy to ask for a reset because I crashed before we even kicked off, but what should we do in the future if it crashes mid-game?  I don't want to screw anyone out of a probable comeback win or something.  Will we have A Policy, Falconeer?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 12, 2010, 07:21:46 PM


(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/ruvaldt%20vs%20proudft%202dice.jpg)

When a bashy orc team rolls 42 times to break elven armours, and succeeds only 7 times, it means you should have stayed home. Heh.


To answer your question, Proudft, we never had a policy cause we refused to think anyone from f13 would crash or disconnect on purpose. I think we should proceed on a case by case basis, and since there are no precedents yet, we will eventually start thinking about it when we'll have a first case.

Deciding to repeat by default all games where anyone crashed would be tempting for the inner cheater inside you all, while deciding to never repeat a match would be too punishing for the guy who's having a thunderstorm cutting off his power/connection.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ruvaldt on November 12, 2010, 07:34:36 PM
Yeah, it certainly felt like they were pretty hardy for a bunch of elves.  Those numbers jive with how it felt during the match.

Gah, I love this game, win or lose.

If anyone wants to play outside of the league I'm usually up for a game.  I'll be playing in the public league a bit more often now between f13 league matches.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on November 12, 2010, 07:40:48 PM
Post the replays you nerds.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 12, 2010, 07:57:01 PM
Megrim, install BBmanager, and you can download all the replays from there as soon as we post them (usually right after the match), and access all the stats. They keep them on a server, for free. Can you believe it?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Teleku on November 12, 2010, 09:20:01 PM
I'd say it might be nice to also post links to them in the thread for those following along who aren't in league, but no biggy.

If all goes well, IainC and I shall fight a duel to the death with elves tomorrow morning.  Hopefully I wake up in time.   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 13, 2010, 07:16:54 AM
Pointy Hat Squad over Denton Despoilers, 2-1, after our aborted first attempt to play.  A couple of minor injuries, no deaths.  The elves tried to stay away from the stinky orcs as much as possible.

The elves first score was a dangerous out-of-rerolls pass that fortunately paid off.

The orcs drove to the endzone in the second half and had the opportunity to stall for a 1-1 tie but, as the ball was held by a goblin, chose to score before he decided to drop or eat it. 

With just a few turns left, the elves managed to wriggle into the endzone for their 2nd touchdown just before the end of the game with three dodges and the use of a reroll.

Emailing replay.



Haha, that fumbled pass in the open and in your defensive half in turn 6 by that blitzer, Kiirdud Landeredal is epic fail  :why_so_serious:

On the other hand, that goblin orc moveing reckessly towards the end zone in turn 7, just to be annhiliated bt the same fumbling elf blitzer on the following action (who totally cleared his name by being the defensive hero of the day), was a big mistake and probably worth a go for it (with rerolls) to get out of blitzing range. He has definitely been punished (Serious Concussion) for being so carefree, heh!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 13, 2010, 08:03:10 AM
Ok there is something weird going on with my money. Basically, I spent all my 1000000 to create the team, which is in fact worth 1000 TV. But now I still have 90k to spend.

I "technically" won the game against the dummy opponent (as did ezrast, in group 1), I had to manually set the score to 1-0 and validate it, but of course we don't get a win or any points since the other team is not actually in the League anymore. My assumption is that, for some reason, the system still awards the winner the money from the winning. If that is the case, I got 90k from my fake victory. Is that even possible? To generate winning you roll 1D6, add your FAME (which I think can't be greater than 2), multiply by 10k and add another 10k if you are the winner. Assuming I rolled a 6 that would be 60k, plus 10k for winning, plus 20k for my FAME being 2 (having gathered twice as many fans as my fake opponent, who didn't show up). Seems legit.

Thing is, I can't remember if I actually rolled for the winning, and if I was asked for reroll (happens when you are the winner), so I wonder if this is automated due to the match not being really played, or I am missing something. Conversely, ezrast only got 40k. Which means he got 20k for FAME 2, plus 10k for winning the game.... plus 10k for rolling a 1? I guess only ezrast can solve the mystery by telling us if he actually remembers rolling anything for his dummy-win or not.

On my part, I am posting this cause my team is basically starting with more money than anyone else and I am trying to be transparent, while looking for a rule answer, before anyone legitimally wonders if I cheated or what.

Good news is, the team resting each Game Day gets some free money out of it, from a minumum of 40k (ezrast) to a maximum of 90k (me).


FAKE EDIT: In case you are wondering if I kept resetting my fake-game and reassigning me a brand new win until I got a 6, that's not possible as I only get the money once I "validate" the score, and that cannot be undone.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on November 13, 2010, 08:05:33 AM
Thanks for the transparency. I don't have any issues with it. It's weird but whatever, since everyone should get the same consideration. Ruleswise, isn't there a bonus for winning or is the reroll the only bonus for winning?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ruvaldt on November 13, 2010, 08:22:57 AM
On the other hand, that goblin orc moveing reckessly towards the end zone in turn 7, just to be annhiliated bt the same fumbling elf blitzer on the following action (who totally cleared his name by being the defensive hero of the day), was a big mistake and probably worth a go for it (with rerolls) to get out of blitzing range.

Yep, and I've been kicking myself over not using the go for it all day.  When you run a squad of orcs you sometimes forget that there are actually a few members of your team that can get away with moves like that.  Live and learn.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 13, 2010, 08:24:14 AM
MA, the bonus is the 10k plus the reroll. For your rest Game Day you basically get 30k fixed plus 1 rerollable D6 (but you have to accept the rerolled result). Hence, 40k to 90k.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on November 13, 2010, 08:31:29 AM
Sorry for holding up the league folks - I was away on business for a week, and thought we were not doing anything until later or something; I had no idea how this league stuff works.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: ezrast on November 13, 2010, 09:16:33 AM
Thing is, I can't remember if I actually rolled for the winning, and if I was asked for reroll (happens when you are the winner), so I wonder if this is automated due to the match not being really played, or I am missing something. Conversely, ezrast only got 40k. Which means he got 20k for FAME 2, plus 10k for winning the game.... plus 10k for rolling a 1? I guess only ezrast can solve the mystery by telling us if he actually remembers rolling anything for his dummy-win or not.
Rolling anything? I haven't even logged in since the league started. I'll do that now and see if I can figure out what's what though.

edit: So, the league calendar shows me as going 1-0 against AndyDavo, my match record shows me as 0-0 against Joe Staniforth, my profile overview displays 6 Pools as being 0-0-0 W/D/L, and my coach statistics show me as having 1 draw which I definitely didn't earn on any other team. Searching for answers only leads to more questions, it seems.

Also, Falc, we both have FAME 0. So even if I thought you were cheating I have no idea how you'd get that much money.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: proudft on November 13, 2010, 09:40:34 AM
I ended up with a ton of money too, but I am hazy on the details.  I was pretty sure I started with 0 gp leftover.  

Game ends, I rolled a 2 for money, and I figured, hey that was a d6 roll, I can do better, so I hit reroll and bam, on the next screen with 120k.   It seemed high, but I'm not sure how it works.  My fame/fanfactor/whatever was 1 after the game I think.   I bought a Catcher (probably shoulda got an apothecary, but oh well) with 90k of it.

I'm looking at the rules now and don't see how that 120k was possible.  Maybe a new bug?  Time to go check the forums I guess.

And yes, that blitzer went from idiot to hero very quickly.  :heart:

EDIT: Aha, if you go to Overview on my team, the plot thickens.   It says the winnings results were 70k for the Denton Despoilers and 30k for me.  Seems like something weird is happening.   I've posted here http://www.cyanide-studio.com/forumBB/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=23423 to see what happens.  If it's a one-time bug I can easily fix it by firing a Catcher.



Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: eldaec on November 13, 2010, 11:29:32 AM
Presumably your team would have got some money from the conceded game?

The team exists independently of the league, so I'd presume that even if you scrub the disconnect game from the league, I would think it should stay on the team record.

FAKE EDIT : Just went online and according to the team record chart you've played one match, which you won 2-1 despite disconnecting. So it is recognising that the disconnect game and the replay are the same game, but my suspicion is that you are getting paid out twice and and only the first payment gets recorded.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ruvaldt on November 13, 2010, 02:30:46 PM
I definitely ended up with 70,000 and that was that.  Bought a third goblin and have 30,000 to spare currently.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: eldaec on November 13, 2010, 03:23:24 PM
Probably not worth it now, but it just occurred to me that what we should have done is had the group 1 rester play the group 2 rester in Auld or whatever, then edit that result in to both groups.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: proudft on November 13, 2010, 03:39:33 PM
Looking at my match record, it occurs to me that it shows our league game as 'opponent dropped'.  I.e., my computer thinks Ruvaldt bailed for some reason.  So it may have given me bonus money for that.  But at least Ruvaldt got his money, so it didn't screw him out of it (his 70k seems high because he actually bought Fan Factor, that crazy man) and I'm the only one affected.

So if I fire the 90k Catcher I just bought that will leave me with 30k which would have been the results my first roll anyway; it'd be like I never pushed Reroll on the money roll.  Sound like a plan, Falconeer?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 13, 2010, 03:53:02 PM
This is so weird.

Yes, fine by me. In the future, whenever there is a disconnected match, let's try to pay attention to what is the REAL winnings from the next completed match, and then spend/waste any eventual excess amount in cheerleaders or assistant coaches.

Also, Falc, we both have FAME 0. So even if I thought you were cheating I have no idea how you'd get that much money.

If I am not mistaken, FAME has not to be confused with Fun Factor. FAME is a score that is different every time you play, and it can be 0, +1, +2 based between the difference in spectators and Fun Factor between you and your opponent for that match. If you win by disconnection, it's easy to assume your opponent had 0 spectators, so you get a +2 FAME for the match, resulting in 20k additional winning.
Our money could be right, Ezrast, those of Ruvaldt and Proudft probably aren't.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on November 13, 2010, 05:44:04 PM
Check to see if you have an extra mvp and two +3 xp point distributions. Typically, you get that much money (so for example 120k) because in the event of a disconnect you get your own winnings, and those of the opponent who d/c'ed. You also get their mvp and two 'bonus' touchdowns in experience, randomly allocated.

Also, i need more coffee. This post had like 2o85673963 spelling mistakes.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: proudft on November 13, 2010, 06:06:48 PM
Nope, just one MVP.  So strange.  I fired the 'free' catcher so my team should drop to 900something once the server figures it out.  Hopefully it will behave from now on.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ruvaldt on November 13, 2010, 06:12:20 PM
Not on my end either.  One mvp, no free TDs, etc.  I know what you're talking about though.  My Necromancy team on the public server got an extra mvp, etc, due to an opponent abandoning the game manually.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on November 13, 2010, 06:24:27 PM
Hm, weird. There WAS a money related exploit at team creation, I just need to look it up because I can't remember how it worked.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on November 13, 2010, 09:24:46 PM
Morsel 2 - 0 Necco Waivers.

In summary I think I can safely say that this game was less won by me, then it was lost by Avaia. Bad luck on some of those dice rolls, and on having to use up your re-rolls so early.

Oh and, SUPER THRALL!  :rock:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 13, 2010, 09:26:57 PM
Nice!

I'm gonna validate the match right now, so you'll both get your money and XP.
Someone upload the replay on BBManager now, or if you are afraid of doing something wrong, please just mail it to me as soon as possible.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on November 13, 2010, 09:30:37 PM
Check your email, I've mailed the rep.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Teleku on November 13, 2010, 09:31:55 PM
Yeah, I really am confused on the money.  I played a single player match against the PC with a brand new team, with NO FAME, and when I beat them, I got 120K winnings.  I had no idea how the fuck that happened.  Now it seems people in multiplayer get it as well.  Not sure if its a bug or just that we don't understand how the god damn rules work....

In other news, we had to delay the match between IanC and I.  It absolutely wont connect without port 26926 forwarded, and I cannot log into my god damn router.  Normally I type in 192.168.1.1 and it works fine.  I've done it in the past to configure shit (though its been many months since I last tried) but it can't connect.  ipconfig tells me that 192.168.1.1 is still the default gateway.  I've read every guide I can find on the internet, and nobody has any solutions.  I've tried it from every browser, from different computers, over wireless and directly connected with a wire, and I still can't log into the routers interface to forward ports.  I'm at wits end, though I'll probably stick a pin into the hole in the back of it to reset it to factory defaults then configure everything all over again (if I can still log into it) as a last resort.

Does anybody have any idea why I can't log into the router, despite working in the past?   The router is a linksys WRT54G.

Bleh.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 13, 2010, 09:37:20 PM
Losing a werewolf in your first round is not fun.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: eldaec on November 14, 2010, 01:17:51 AM
Comstar, I'm onine and the system says you're online, but can't raise you, posting here incase you're having the same issue,.

EDIT: Also on goon jabber and TS (bat channel) if you're also struggling to find a functional way to communicate.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Comstar on November 14, 2010, 03:07:12 AM
My Amazons won 2-1. The Norse team kicked off and quickly frenzied the Amazon drive and rammed the ball carrier into the crowd. However, it didn't prevent a early TD after the crowd threw the ball to the other side of the field into the waiting arms of a lone Amazon set up for just that purpose. The Norse team made up for some on field mistakes with a quick thinking outflanking move and equalled the score at the end of the 2nd half.

Some early follies with the ball by the Norse team at the start of the 2nd half allowed a cage of Amazon's to get around the ball, but be matched by a cage of Norse around the other side. Much fumbling results as both teams get tackle zones on the ball and failing to pick it up, before the ball is broken loose and the Amazon's get a late Touchdown in the 2nd half.  The last chance to stop it failed when a rampaging Norse Werewolf tripped over just before he was about to pummel the unprotected Amazon ball carrier 1 square from the Touch down zone.

With Low armour both sides had 3+ KO's and some badly hurts, but none will effect the next match. I'd up load a replay, but I have no idea how.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on November 14, 2010, 03:19:08 AM
Go to Single Player -> Load -> Replays. Figure out what the date/timestamp for your replay is. Then open up Documents/Blood Bowl Legendary/Replays (or something like that) and grab the replay from there.

Also, Falconeer I checked my replay and it hangs at the same place yours does. I think mine is just busted. Avaia might have a working one.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: eldaec on November 14, 2010, 03:37:46 AM
Big lesson from my match with comstar was to make damn sure I get the zero risk positional moves done before starting on even slightly risky stuff.

Nuffle was loving the turnovers on both sides but comstar was almost always better placed to recover.

(I was  feeling really smug about switching flanks for the td before half time though!)


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on November 14, 2010, 05:30:43 AM
Does anybody have any idea why I can't log into the router, despite working in the past?   The router is a linksys WRT54G.

Bleh.

The reset sounds like a likely coming option. I can't say. I hate networking and only found out that setting up BB meant opening the port for ip address .10, not .1 because I am an idiot. It makes my eyes go crossed.

I would really, really recommend you download the simple ipconfig program and go to the forums if you still have problems. I spent hours trying to sort out my issue; I posted on the guy's forums and he responded within ten minutes, helping me walk it through. Really nice guy, really willing to help out with stuff outside just troubleshooting on his program


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 14, 2010, 06:34:41 AM
Please everyone send the replays to me.
I see some of you (Comstar or Eldaec) uploaded it but it must be corrupted as it says your match ended in a 0 - 0 draw. If the replay is corrupted I can't do much but I can send it to the BBManager dev and see if he can figure out something.

Teleku,
I am sad and worried about your situation. Yeah, me and Modern Angel invested a lot of time into trying to figure out a solution before it was too late. Apparently Blood Bowl likes to give random problems to people, but complicated workarounds can be found here and there.

Here are a few links I dug out in the past few days. Please read it carefully (and this is assuming you are the problem and not IainC. Maybe he should make a check too.

Link 1 (http://www.cyanide-studio.com/forumBB/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=21955#p328687)

Link 2 (http://www.cyanide-studio.com/forumBB/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=15763#p233359)

I am sorry, I have no idea on why you can't connect to the router (especially since you could in the past. I can't connect to mine, but at least I know it's a "locked" model), but I am surprised no one else here does. Your best bet is, seriously, to post on that awesome forum Modern Angel is talking about. That guy is a router and port-forwarder wizard, super friendly and very fast.

Simple Port Forwarding, invaluable tool (http://www.simpleportforwarding.com/). It seems your router is supported by his software, and there are a couple of guides (scroll down for different firmwares) (http://www.pcwintech.com/port-forwarding-linksys-routersmodems) to do the job.

Router wizard forum (http://forums.pcwintech.com/)


Finally, you say you have to open port 26926, but don't overlook this:

Quote

The ports that need forwarding are:

9103
16962
30710


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on November 14, 2010, 06:40:58 AM
Let me add that the true value of the program isn't the program but the guy. The program doesn't do much that you don't already know if you're even average at knowing your way around a router. The guy is a gem though


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 14, 2010, 07:00:39 AM
I'll state this again. After the match, please both Coaches send me your match replay.

And by the way, good job everyone: 6 days to go and only 2 matches still to play.  :heart:

Teleku - IainC
Xuri - Strazos


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: eldaec on November 14, 2010, 09:13:21 AM
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/318368/Replay_2010-11-14_10-10-54.db

I think that is the F13 Catfighters vs Silver Horde replay.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 14, 2010, 10:55:11 AM
Heh, Eldaec. That Werewolf failing to go for it blitz in turn 13.... sucked.

EDIT: BBManager is now up to date with all the results, stats, and replays.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Xuri on November 14, 2010, 12:23:07 PM
Strazos just beat me 2 - 0. I stood no chance, tbh - though I did make sure one of his linesmen won't be starting the next match (broken jaw).


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on November 14, 2010, 12:25:33 PM
Xuri put up a good fight - victimized more by the dice than me, to be honest (especially early).

Feel kind of bad that I got the ball in the first half off a fumble, than stood around with it for most of the half. I'm playing Norse, so I'm not confidant I can repeatedly score (though the SPP would be nice).

Highlight of the game for me was KO'ing his troll early in the game off a foul.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 14, 2010, 12:59:40 PM
Xuri, a quick tip. You have to use the players with Frenzy to push opponents out of the pitch. In turn one, you almost did it, but in order to do it properly, you have to attack from a side, so on the followup block you have your oppoennt where you want it, on the sideline. If you attack frontally, you can push it laterally on the followup, but not out of bounds.

Another quick thing: I see you both have only 1 reroll. I am sure you have good reasons, but rerolls are invaluable. They help keep mental sanity in check, too, especially when you are playing your first matches. And especially with Frenzy players in your team. I'd suggest to buy some more with the future income of your team.


Thanks for the replay, I validated the match. You can now spend money and SP.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on November 14, 2010, 01:11:15 PM
I only bought 1 reroll because I wanted to have an actual bench - Norse are pretty fragile, and I expect guys to get KO'ed and such.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on November 14, 2010, 01:49:36 PM
Falc,

How is this matchup business going to work out? The calendar is still showing the Hammerblows team, which is not in the league...do you get to play this week?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 14, 2010, 01:56:08 PM
No, the Hammerblows and the Davo's Dark Delights still appear in the Calendar but they are out of the tournament, so when you are supposed to play vs. them you actually rest for that week. In the calendar it says I won against them, but if you look at the rankings I have 0 points and 0 match played. So, working as intended.

So, to make it simple, next Game Day you are not playing, Strazos.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on November 14, 2010, 02:08:40 PM
Is there a way to change that? We have even numbers...I'd rather not have a "Bye" week if possible - and so early, too.

I know, this is probably my (job's) fault, but still...


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: IainC on November 14, 2010, 04:01:17 PM
Teleku and I got around to our game this evening after a frustrating hour or so yesterday trying to get his router to co-operate. My block dice were reliably terrible but I managed to kill one of his players and injure another two. After a bit of a scrum in the centre, the Wood Elves broke the ball out and scored from a pass towards the end of the first half. I piled on a bit of pressure after the break, bent a few elves in ways that they weren't supposed to bend and pushed forwards. I lost possession but the Wood Elves couldn't manage to get the ball out of the cage and so I picked it back up, hammered a hole in their line and then ran it to the end zone to draw the score on the last turn.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on November 14, 2010, 04:03:18 PM
It's not your fault at Strazos but this league format requires 16 players or 12 and we had 14
So we needed to get some bye weeks sadly...


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on November 14, 2010, 04:44:29 PM
God bless each and every one of you for getting the games done promptly. I feel like crying.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 14, 2010, 05:21:24 PM
It's crazy! We are done with Game Day #1 in 5 days before the deadline! I'll process some stuff tonight and I'll post the appropriate data for Game Day #2 tomorrow. You have now 9 days to play your second match (except for Strazos and IainC who are resting). Matches for Game Day #2 has to be played BEFORE November 25th.

Here's a quick list of Game Day #2 matches. The proper update post will follow. Thanks everyone, really. This is going better than expected.


Group 1

Ezrast vs. Eldaec
Llyse vs. Teleku
Modern Angel vs. Comstar
- IainC rests.


Group 2

Avaia vs. Ruvaldt
Proudft vs. Falconeer
Megrim vs. Xuri
- Strazos rests.



Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on November 14, 2010, 05:47:32 PM
Xuri, I'm GMT+11. Let me know when you're free.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 14, 2010, 05:53:02 PM
We have a small problem. Fucking fucked up system now gives 3 points and a win to whoever "plays" against the dummy retired teams. Problem is, it didn't give the three points or the win to me and ezrast in Game Day #1. Why? No idea. So basically, we'll see what happens but my understanding is that it will give three points to everyone who plays (actually rests in their BYE turn) against them from now on, which means me and Ezrast will miss 3 points at the end of the Tournament. Eventually, we'll factor those 3 points in to compute the final standings and the playoff brackets. From now on the in-game Standings are not official anymore. Please refer to what I will post here as official.

This aesthetically sucks, I know. I am sorry, it's beyond me I am sure you understand.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on November 14, 2010, 07:04:23 PM
No worries Falcon,

Thanks have to be given for doing the extra work as f13 Blood Bowl League commissioner and encouraging everyone to participate and play games in a fun and regular manner :drill:

Internal leagues with my own good for nothing friends are too laissez faire and more serious leagues are too intimidating for some of us.

This is just right  :awesome_for_real:

Edit: French is hard.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Xuri on November 14, 2010, 07:37:15 PM
Xuri, I'm GMT+11. Let me know when you're free.
GMT-5 here. Only a 16 hour time difference! =P

I'm pretty much free every day from 18:00 GMT-5 (*counts on fingers*...10:00 your time?) to 02:00ish GMT-5 (18:00 your time?)


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on November 14, 2010, 08:58:23 PM
Ok, what about now? Are you free in the next 1/2 hour or so? If not, then we can go for a game tomorrow.

 * Edit: Morsel 0 - 2 North By Northwest.

Super Thrall is going to be investigated and possibly have his Super Thrall status revoked for choking a 2+ roll during a crucial part of the game.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Xuri on November 14, 2010, 10:29:27 PM
Certainly an action-filled match. Lots of violent injuries and spectacular failures. I think we were down to 6 (you) vs 8 (me) players on the pitch in the end.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 14, 2010, 11:26:26 PM
Wow. And Megrim was the top dog after round one, leading in both running and passing. Vampires really are that flaky apparently. Congrats Xuri, match is now validated. And thanks for the replay!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: eldaec on November 15, 2010, 12:04:17 AM
Do we know the hierarchy for ordering teams tied on points?

I have half an inkling that cyanide's system goes first on TV. Which is retarded if true.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 15, 2010, 12:16:40 AM
We don't yet. Scrap TV. I'd say we go by scored TD difference (Scored minus Scored-against), what do you think?
This way, we keep it meaningful to try and score more instead of just stalling. But I am open to suggestions.

I think the "seeding manager" tool allows us to form the Play-offs based on our hierarchy, so we should be able to do whatever we want.

EDIT: BBManager seems to support TD difference, so it's probably a wise and widely adopted system.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 15, 2010, 12:57:51 AM
Game Day #1, Scores and Standings.



Scores:

(http://dl1.dropbox.com/u/3584773/Gameday1.jpg)



Standings:

(http://dl1.dropbox.com/u/3584773/Gameday1%20stands.jpg)


*6 Pools (Ezrast) and The Bell Jar Utd. (Falconeer) are not included as they didn't play (rest/BYE) on Game Day #1


** All relevant info updated in the OP (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283). You can always find up to date Scores and Standings there (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283) **


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 15, 2010, 01:34:20 AM
Player stats:

(http://dl1.dropbox.com/u/3584773/Players%20day1.jpg)





Team stats:

(http://dl1.dropbox.com/u/3584773/Teams%20day1.jpg)


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 15, 2010, 11:31:41 AM
Game Day #2
** All games have to be played BEFORE November 25st **


Group 1

6 Pools - (Ezrast) vs. Silver Horde FC - (Eldaec)                                      2 - 1
Alive Not Dead - (Llyse) vs. Hazardous Hippies - (Teleku)  
Team Snoosnoo - (Modern Angel) vs. F13 Catfighters - (Comstar)           0 - 2
- Spleen Flay Hackers - (IainC) RESTS


Group 2

Necco Waivers - (Avaia) vs. The Denton Despoilers - (Ruvaldt)        1 - 1    
The Bell Jar Utd. - (Falconeer) vs. Pointy Hat Squad - (Proudft)            2 - 1
Morsel - (Megrim) vs. North by Northwest - (Xuri)                                0 - 2
- Diplomatic Immunity - (Strazos) RESTS


** All games have to be played BEFORE November 25st **

** All relevant info updated in the OP (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283). You can always find up to date Scores and Standings there (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283) **



---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As you can see, two matches have already been played. Which means only four to go 8 days before the deadline. Amazing.
Me and Proudft just had our match. I won easily, thanks to a questionable fact happened at the beginning of seconf half, whereas a Pitch Invasion (only happens on a roll of double sixes) devastated his team, despite me having Fame +2, for a total of 8 men stunned versus my 4. I felt very guilty for this, and I really smelled "bug", cause with Fame +2 (which is weird enough in itself) I should have had a stunner player for each 4 rolled. And yeah, maybe 4 stuns (4+ diceroll) out of 11 is possible. What doesn't make much sense is how he could roll eight sixes out of 11 dice! Too bad you can't really see the dicerolls for Pitch Invasion events, as I really felt guilty for my second TouchDown. Other than that, a fun match where he managed to score a passing TD in the last turns of the second half that I really didn't see coming.

Finally, a mention of honour for my blitzer, Simone de Beauvoir, who broke some dude's arm and sent him home prematurely. "I told you not to touch me, pig".  :drillf:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ruvaldt on November 15, 2010, 11:38:32 AM
Group 2 will likely be done with its Game Day #2 matches tonight.  Avaia and I are aiming for a showdown in the evening.  Monday Night Blood Bowl!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: eldaec on November 15, 2010, 11:39:54 AM
6 Pools vs Silver Horde should also be done tonight - assuming we can make the internet work.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: proudft on November 15, 2010, 12:19:20 PM
I won easily, thanks to a questionable fact happened at the beginning of seconf half, whereas a Pitch Invasion (only happens on a roll of double sixes) devastated his team, despite me having Fame +2, for a total of 8 men stunned versus my 4.

Rest assured, the high elves are quite used to this sort of hooliganism from the lesser races and will return for a glorious triumph over our next lowly opponent.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: eldaec on November 15, 2010, 01:13:55 PM
Amazons win 2-1 again, not least because I scored on turn 15 instead of 16 for no reason at all. (and because I am very bad at this game).

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/318368/Replay_2010-11-15_19-56-15.db

I'll edit this with more detail after dinner, but jesus christ I am bad at this game.



Silver Horde (Norse) win the toss and kick. 6 Pools (Amazon), retrieve and pass up to the scrimmage line, where they cage up, and a brawl forms, couple of block and timeout turnovers later Pools get an opening and score a turn 4 TD.

Pools kick off, and Horde take the ball from a touchback but run a blitz before building the cage... turnover. Pools blitz the ball and get hold of it on the touchline in Horde territory - Horde sends the ballcarrier into the crowd, fracturing her leg in the process, but the crowd throw the ball back into the Pools half. Still Horde's turn and they can reach the ball, but try to pick it up before building a cage... turnover. Pools know how to play, so build a cage, pick up the ball, and run the half out.

Half time; 6 Pools 1 - 0 Silver Horde.
Both sides have one casualty, but Pools have 3 women KO'd, 2 of whom wake up.

Pools kick off, Horde cage up on the right wing, Pools match up to Horde, with Horde losing a lineman for the next game, Pools also receive a KO. Looks like no way through the Amazon wall, so Horde start to disengage and run the ball over to the left wing, Pools have committed to the initial brawl on the right so there is plenty of space, this time Horde build a much narrower cage and the brawl reforms as Pools fully commit to the other flank. Horde are starting to suffer injuries now, with 3 linemen out for the next game, Pools still have just the one casualty, and 2 KOs. Every Pools player is within 4 squares of the left touchline, and Horde start to wrap around the Pools team and push them further left. Eventually Horde hand the ball off to a lineman on the edge of the brawl and run it out to the far corner. Pools can only free one linewoman, who blitzes for a 1 die block, but fails the GFI and injures herself. Horde now have the Pools team caged, and score... on turn 15.

Horde now kickoff, but turn around and realise they have just 7 men left. Pools have 9. Turn 15 Pools recover the ball with a pass and can cage up 5 rows into the Horde half because the horde line is deep. Turn 16 for the Horde and a werewolf frenzies into a two dice defenders choice followup... turnover. Touchdown.


Ezrast could probably have beaten me by a more embarassing score if he'd left a safety out of the brawl in the second half. Heh, look at me giving advice.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 15, 2010, 01:26:06 PM
Thanks for the replay. I validated the match. You can spend money and SP.

EDIT: Three casualties sustained by turn 11? It's not necessarily your fault you know. That sucks.

EDIT2: Ok, defense on turn 15? Totally your fault   :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: eldaec on November 15, 2010, 01:56:18 PM
I think what was going through my addled mind was that I had to score before Ezrast's team arrived and I only had the carrier protected by one guy, what I failed to notice was that with the lineswoman who had blitzed on turn 14 injured, my ballcarrier could move to complete safety in the corner.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: ezrast on November 15, 2010, 02:11:41 PM
For our fans who don't want to watch the replay: Eldaec's Norsemen kicked off to my Amazons in the first half, and I managed to cage up and run the ball to the endzone in what was a pretty standard play. After he received my kickoff, an unlucky turnover meant that I was able to blitz in before he could get a cage together, and the rest of the half was spent trading the ball back and forth rather than making any progression up the field.

Second half I mostly spent feebly attempting to slow down his advancing cage, and for a minute there I thought I had a chance at either breaking it or stalling him until the end of the match, but he reminded me that handoffs exist and then ran past all my players entirely. One of my players had one chance to stop him, but she decided to fall over and injure herself instead (I even used a reroll and everything!). So, as eldaec said, he could have easily stalled a turn and made the game a draw, but instead he scored, leaving two turns for the last play of the game, in which I somehow managed to pick up the ball, pass successfully, blitz down his defense, and not trip over any shoelaces for a turn 16 TD.

The win wasn't entirely deserved, given what a simple play error he made (he realized it right away, too), and that I'm pretty sure the dice were on my side throughout the match. Also my screwy team makeup.

edit: Eldaec did it better. And faster.
more edit: Haha, didn't even realize those last block dice were my choice. Was wondering what was taking you so long.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ruvaldt on November 15, 2010, 02:25:33 PM
A much closer game than Eldaec eludes to in his commentary.  But for an unfortunate roll or two in the first half, I think it could've been a different game.  Still, I cringed when I saw that norseman rushing for the ball without a cage.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on November 15, 2010, 05:13:12 PM
My loss is only made better by the massive injuries Comstar inflicted upon himself with bad dodge rolls. My now -1 Movement Thrower is likely to get cut.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Comstar on November 15, 2010, 05:15:09 PM
2-0 Amazons to Orcs.

A *brutal* first half saw more orcs injured and knocked out than the lighter Amazons. With the left flank left open the girls ran up the side for an easy 2 turn touch down.

The rest of the half saw the Amazons doing more damage than the 2 dice hitting black orcs. One of the orc mercenarys was killed. The orc cage was broken, but the ball stayed loose and some failed passes meant the chance for a 2-0 score before half time was dashed by a failed 3+ catch.

The 2nd half saw the orcs getting some players back from the bench and doing much more damage than receiving. However, an open route in the middle of the pitch allowed the Amazon blitzer to run in and sack the ball carrier. The orc runner was left surrounded and had little choice to try and dodge into two tackle zones...he failed. The Amazon blitzer scooped up the ball and ran for the touchdown zone. Several players went down in the scram left behind while the amazon ball carrier danced around the end zone playing for time.

With only 2 turns left on the clock the orcs were up against it, and all seemed lost when the ball carrier was left alone. However, the Amazons tripped up at the last second before getting the loose ball, then failed to make a easy pass for a possible third TD and the orcs had a brief moment to make a TD. Running the ball up-field the Orc linesman threw a badly aimed throw...and the ball bounced into the TD zone where the waiting catcher desperately tried to pick up the ball...and failed.

The orcs lost 1 merc lineman dead, while the Amazons have 1 girl missing the next game and another one with a injury.


Ouch, 2 girls with broken necks! Though the star blitzer got +1 movement.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 15, 2010, 05:18:18 PM
Validated!
You all send me replays. Can't wait to watch this game tomorrow morning.

EDIT: Posting it here with a dropbox link as Eldaec did is a fancy way for everyone to get it and take a look at it. In any case, please remember that if you install BBManager, you don't even need a password to peek at our League stats and download our replays from there at will. That software/repository is amazing.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Teleku on November 15, 2010, 05:18:32 PM
Sadly, it appears that Llyse's and my time zone and work schedule clash so badly that we wont be able to play our match all the way until next weekend.  


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: avaia on November 15, 2010, 06:23:24 PM
Ruvaldt and I each decided to play a half.  1-1 tie, replay sent off.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ruvaldt on November 15, 2010, 06:33:24 PM
That was a strange game.  A tie was appropriate; it didn't feel like either of us played badly, but nor did we really deserve a win.  It was still a pile of fun even if it was very aggravating at times.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on November 15, 2010, 06:53:47 PM
What do you mean you each decided to play a half?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ruvaldt on November 15, 2010, 07:09:47 PM
It was meant in jest.  During the first half I couldn't seem to roll dice to save my life, and the same thing happened to Avaia in the second half.  Honestly, I think the first half was the worst I've played in years.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on November 15, 2010, 10:30:59 PM
Validated!
You all send me replays. Can't wait to watch this game tomorrow morning.

EDIT: Posting it here with a dropbox link as Eldaec did is a fancy way for everyone to get it and take a look at it. In any case, please remember that if you install BBManager, you don't even need a password to peek at our League stats and download our replays from there at will. That software/repository is amazing.

Do you still need a valid BB account right though?

I can't seem to login successfully to see


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: eldaec on November 15, 2010, 11:25:58 PM
Holy fuck, did we just finish a game day in 24 hours?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 15, 2010, 11:37:30 PM
Almost! We need Llyse vs. Teleku match, and they won't be able to play until next weekend.

Validated the match between Avaia and Ruvaldt.

And Llyse, all you need to log into BBManager is a BBManager account (it says "Create account" in the login box) as far as I can remember. Once you are in it, you should be able to look up for our League under the Leagues tab, "In progress Leagues". There are a shitton of them, but they are ordered alphabetically. We are f13..

EDIT: Actually, the "Leagues" tab leads you only to League stats. To download replays, you should go on the "Matchs" tab, find our League there in the "All Leagues" dropdown menu. You'll get a list of all uploaded scores. Highlight one and then click the "Replay" button in the upper toolbar. That downloads the replay. Sorry for the confusion, the software is great but the GUI is a bit counter-intuitive.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on November 18, 2010, 07:07:53 AM
Just played my game against Teleku, thanks to his sacrifice of getting up at 6am to play a game before leaving for work  :drill:

Nuffle (the dice god) saw fit to reward him with insane amounts of casualties however...

It's not a pretty game and the final score is 3-1 which is no surprise considering he had 4 elves (2 mercenaries) on the fieLd at one point.

Replay will be uploaded to BBManager after this -- Now uploaded

Edit: Once again major props to Teleku for getting up early to play his match so the games may continue and especially for being so gracious with the terrible hand dealt.

Also if my next opponent (Eldaec) is in the states and pings me an email in the morning (and I get up early) I may be able to play my next game immediately!   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Teleku on November 18, 2010, 07:19:44 AM
I was actually down to 2 elves left on that final drive.  Lost 2 dead, and all but 4 elves by the end were casualties (not knocked out).  Of course the two loner mercenaries on my team made it through to the end.   :oh_i_see:

Main thing that piss's me off is that I actually purchased an apothecary after the last game was approved, and it showed I had one during the week when I went back in to look.  But after I started this game, I realized I still had all my money suddenly, and no apothecary.  So of course my second 90k catcher is instantly killed right off the bat, making my team close to useless.  

Pretty rad  :awesome_for_real:

Though I actually almost managed to get a 2nd TD near the end.  If that ball hadn't scattered next to the zombie, making the pick up roll harder, it wouldn't have been that hard to throw it to the other elf and score.  :(


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 18, 2010, 07:51:26 AM
Wow.
Thank you so much guys, and lots of thanks to Teleku for the awesome dedication. I am very sorry for the apothecary mess, I have no idea how is that possible. Sometimes it happened to me that I bought stuff, and then I left the team screen clicking the "Red cross" instead of the "Save team" button. Really sorry, Teleku :(

Should I validate the match? I'll be home in half an hour, so if you give me the green light I'll do it then and you both will get money and SP.

Finally, this officially wraps up Game Day #2, and we are on with Game Day #3! Fixtures, Scores and Standings coming in the next few hours.  :drillf:

Game Day #3 is ON!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Teleku on November 18, 2010, 07:56:28 AM
Yeah, its retarded, but nothing to do about it really.  Go ahead and validate.

And yeah, I know it I hit save.  I even saw that my team had an apothecary days later when I looked at it on the management screen.  So yeah.....


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 18, 2010, 08:49:30 AM
Placeholder for Game Day #3 matches. You can start organizing and contacting your opponent.

Group 1

Eldaec vs. Teleku
Comstar vs. Ezrast
IainC vs. Llyse
- Modern Angel rests.


Group 2

Megrim vs. Ruvaldt
Strazos vs. Avaia
Xuri vs. Falconeer
- Proudft rests.


All games have to be played BEFORE November 28th.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on November 18, 2010, 09:10:35 AM
pm sent to IainC (yes I am a blood bowl addict  :awesome_for_real: )


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Teleku on November 18, 2010, 09:19:34 AM
After all the SPP you got for that last game, I'm sure your just ready to kill.   :awesome_for_real:

Oh, and did you send a replay to Falc?  At work, so can't get it, heh.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on November 18, 2010, 09:29:14 AM
Oh thank fuck I get a BYE week.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 18, 2010, 09:41:51 AM
You annoyed with BB already, Brocktoon?  :grin:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 18, 2010, 09:44:53 AM
Game Day #2, Scores and Standings.



Scores:

(http://dl1.dropbox.com/u/3584773/Gameday2.jpg)



Standings:

(http://dl1.dropbox.com/u/3584773/Gameday2%20stands%20done.jpg)



** All relevant info updated in the OP (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283). You can always find up to date Scores and Standings there (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283) **


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 18, 2010, 09:55:30 AM
Player stats:

(http://dl1.dropbox.com/u/3584773/Players%20day2.jpg)





Team stats:

(http://dl1.dropbox.com/u/3584773/Teams%20day2.jpg)



** All relevant info updated in the OP (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283). You can always find up to date Scores and Standings there (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283) **



Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 18, 2010, 10:13:02 AM
We are currently Playing.....
Game Day #3
** All games have to be played BEFORE November 28th **


Group 1

Silver Horde FC - (Eldaec) vs. Hazardous Hippies - (Teleku)                                
F13 Catfighters - (Comstar) vs. 6 Pools - (Ezrast)  
Spleen Flay Hackers - (IainC) vs. Alive Not Dead - (Llyse)          
- Team Snoosnoo - (Modern Angel) RESTS


Group 2

Morsel - (Megrim) vs. The Denton Despoilers - (Ruvaldt)      
Diplomatic Immunity - (Strazos) vs. Necco Waivers - (Avaia)            
North by Northwest - (Xuri) vs. The Bell Jar Utd. - (Falconeer)                            
- Pointy Hat Squad - (Proudft) RESTS


** All games have to be played BEFORE November 28th **


** All relevant info updated in the OP (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283). You can always find up to date Scores and Standings there (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283) **


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on November 18, 2010, 11:59:05 AM
You annoyed with BB already, Brocktoon?  :grin:

Never! I just have one injury I need to rest and a dead person I need to replace.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 18, 2010, 12:14:59 PM
Oh right, the BYE day actually counts like a real day, and players are gonna get fixed. Dammit, so I got screwed by having the BYE on Game Day #1!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 18, 2010, 12:25:34 PM
Wow. Watching Llyse vs. Teleku. I've never seen such a bloodbath before. It's ridiculous. Every single knockdown is a casualty or a KO against Teleku. That's frustrating beyond reason. Yes, sure, it's Blood Bowl, but what the hell.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 18, 2010, 01:51:01 PM
I validated the two BYE matches. Proudft won 80k, Modern Angel won 60k. Not too shabby for a BYE round. Go invest in better shoulderpads, you fools.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: proudft on November 18, 2010, 02:51:10 PM
Woot, a healed injury and a brand-new 2nd thrower and my TV is over 1200.   I think that means I get guys killed in the next game.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Teleku on November 18, 2010, 03:03:46 PM
Wow. Watching Llyse vs. Teleku. I've never seen such a bloodbath before. It's ridiculous. Every single knockdown is a casualty or a KO against Teleku. That's frustrating beyond reason. Yes, sure, it's Blood Bowl, but what the hell.
Yeah, I encourage anybody to watch it for comedic value.  Every single touch resulted in a broken neck or something.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 18, 2010, 03:05:54 PM
Comedy gold. And beginning of second half, the "Throw a rock" even? I fell off my chair laughing. And STILL, it wasn't all.

5 casualties, 2 deaths, and about 10 KO. World record material.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Teleku on November 18, 2010, 03:19:17 PM
Yeah, starting off the 2nd half with a fan throwing a rock and injuring another player made me throw up my hands and give up right there.

I could really use a bye to heal, but I'm sure I wont get one until the very last game day, when my entire team consists of mercenaries.   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 18, 2010, 03:38:29 PM
Heh. No apparently your BYE is on Game Day #4. You're almost there!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on November 18, 2010, 03:51:37 PM
I had a game like that, my Classic Elves versus some Orcs. He actually cleared the entire field by turn 14.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: eldaec on November 18, 2010, 04:45:26 PM
Silver Horde vs Hazardous Hippies looks like fielding 3 journeymen each.

Awesome.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: IainC on November 19, 2010, 05:46:21 PM
I just got thrashed 4-0 by Llyse. I also suffered the same bug that Teleku found, After my bye I spent my gold on a couple of new players, an apothecary and a hatful of assistant coaches. Tonight none of that was available to me. Luckily I didn't need the apothecary but I could certainly have used a couple of extra players as Llyse had the original 11 on the floor and bleeding hard for most of the game. At one point I passed on my entire turn rather than stand my guys up just to give him another opportunity to knock them down.

I had a chance to score a consolation touchdown during a bit of a scramble for a free ball with some unmarked linesmen deep in his half but the required going for it rolls or the pick up rolls didn't go my way.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 19, 2010, 05:59:09 PM
I am sorry for all the silly bugs. Next season, either we get even numbers or I'd say let's go with a single pool Championship. Less bugs and more matchups.
I validated your match. Please someone send me the replay. Got it.

On another note, me and Xuri tied 1 - 1. Nice match. My amazons, a dodge team, couldn't dodge to save their lives. Still, on a nice comeback-oriented second half we managed to go THAT close to a win in the last turn, when the unmarked Mary Wollstonecraft (blitzer) threw a short pass (3 squares away) to the unmarked Maya Angelou (linewoman) in the end zone with no rerolls left. Scatter launch and fuck this shit. My heart bled for a few minutes.

I'd say it's a fair tie after all. No long terms injury in my team, but Virginia Woolf kindly fractured this Hralf Pòròlfr Norseguy's skull for good (permanent -1 AV).


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on November 19, 2010, 06:17:51 PM
Just for numbers, I have a good friend who is extremely interested in a steady league. He also has a friend who he says would be reliable and interested. I told him that it would be a bit until next season but that it may be doable. I also insisted he make an actual f13 account and go through the full process. Having friends be "reliable" without taking full part in league processes has seemed like the big no no trap in other leagues I've played in.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 19, 2010, 06:32:53 PM
I think that's a given. League is open to everyone... from f13. Meaning that you have to at least pretend some involvement with the boards. It can even just be about the League, but I demand an f13 account and a presentation post on the General Discussion a little bit of participation to the next League thread. Do we agree on this?

That said, IainC: why the hell you went with the Go For It with your Witch in turn 2 instead of passing to the two unmarked linemen?!?  :heartbreak:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Teleku on November 19, 2010, 06:33:33 PM
I think Llyse is just hacking the roster of every team they play against.   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on November 19, 2010, 07:11:33 PM
I think that's a given. League is open to everyone... from f13. Meaning that you have to at least pretend some involvement with the boards. It can even just be about the League, but I demand an f13 account and a presentation post on the General Discussion a presentation post in Politics and a little bit of participation to the next League thread. Do we agree on this?

That said, IainC: why the hell you went with the Go For It with your Witch in turn 2 instead of passing to the two unmarked linemen?!?  :heartbreak:

fify


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on November 19, 2010, 07:13:29 PM
I think that's a given. League is open to everyone... from f13. Meaning that you have to at least pretend some involvement with the boards. It can even just be about the League, but I demand an f13 account and a presentation post on the General Discussion a little bit of participation to the next League thread. Do we agree on this?

That said, IainC: why the hell you went with the Go For It with your Witch in turn 2 instead of passing to the two unmarked linemen?!?  :heartbreak:

I think Iain went for the statistically more probable success of succeeding 2 GFI to bring the pass probability lower (I would have done the same thing)

Teleku:  :why_so_serious:

Only thing of note was how The Hound (a Flesh Golem) had better ball handling skills than a werewolf and a wight. As Iain said, Teflon ball.

Edit: Forgot to mention how Iain's Assassin Blacktouched as daggers of Adamantite... He was blitz stabbing Gregor (Flesh Golem) with ease  :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ice Cream Emperor on November 19, 2010, 07:46:52 PM
f13 lurker here, but since the topic came up I'm definitely interested in the next season, whenever that turns out to be.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ruvaldt on November 19, 2010, 08:01:20 PM
Quote from: Wallace Stevens
Let the wenches dawdle in such dress
As they are used to wear, and let the boys
Bring flowers in last month's newspapers.
Let be be finale of seem.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream.

Good to see Blood Bowl bringing out more lurkers.  I finally started posting after 2+ years for the same reason.

This season is moving pretty swiftly so far.  I know I'll be in them for as long as they're held.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on November 19, 2010, 09:32:48 PM
I think that's a given. League is open to everyone... from f13. Meaning that you have to at least pretend some involvement with the boards. It can even just be about the League, but I demand an f13 account and a presentation post on the General Discussion a little bit of participation to the next League thread. Do we agree on this?

That said, IainC: why the hell you went with the Go For It with your Witch in turn 2 instead of passing to the two unmarked linemen?!?  :heartbreak:

I think Iain went for the statistically more probable success of succeeding 2 GFI to bring the pass probability lower (I would have done the same thing)

Teleku:  :why_so_serious:

Only thing of note was how The Hound (a Flesh Golem) had better ball handling skills than a werewolf and a wight. As Iain said, Teflon ball.

Edit: Forgot to mention how Iain's Assassin Blacktouched as daggers of Adamantite... He was blitz stabbing Gregor (Flesh Golem) with ease  :ye_gods:

Going for the statistically probable thing just cost me a ro16 eliminations match in SvS. I was all like, "oh my runner will just make a 2+ gfi to improve the long pass from a 4+ to a 3+..." and predictably he fucks the gfi costing me the reroll and the receiver predictably then drops the ball.

brb, uppercutting a baby.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Teleku on November 20, 2010, 12:12:54 AM
Yeah, I'm more and more afraid of taking GFI rolls every time I play.  Its amazing how often that, when faced with "ok, all I have to do is not roll a one!", you promptly roll a 1.  Consistently.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on November 20, 2010, 01:32:25 AM
Any chance someone has a mirror for the BBmanager? The original links seems to time out on me...no idea why.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 20, 2010, 02:25:15 AM
I think that's a given. League is open to everyone... from f13. Meaning that you have to at least pretend some involvement with the boards. It can even just be about the League, but I demand an f13 account and a presentation post on the General Discussion a little bit of participation to the next League thread. Do we agree on this?

That said, IainC: why the hell you went with the Go For It with your Witch in turn 2 instead of passing to the two unmarked linemen?!?  :heartbreak:

I think Iain went for the statistically more probable success of succeeding 2 GFI to bring the pass probability lower (I would have done the same thing)

Teleku:  :why_so_serious:

Only thing of note was how The Hound (a Flesh Golem) had better ball handling skills than a werewolf and a wight. As Iain said, Teflon ball.

Edit: Forgot to mention how Iain's Assassin Blacktouched as daggers of Adamantite... He was blitz stabbing Gregor (Flesh Golem) with ease  :ye_gods:

Going for the statistically probable thing just cost me a ro16 eliminations match in SvS. I was all like, "oh my runner will just make a 2+ gfi to improve the long pass from a 4+ to a 3+..." and predictably he fucks the gfi costing me the reroll and the receiver predictably then drops the ball.

brb, uppercutting a baby.

Ok, I didn't see that. I guess what I thought is that the GFI was going to be an additional roll (on top of the subsequent pass/catch roll) where just failing the pass would have probably sent the loose ball in a more secure zone of the field as opposed to suffering a knockdown, an armour roll, and a TD against. Even with a fumble, at least his Witch Elf would have still been standing. But yeah, chances are I would have ended up doing the same thing, it's easy to talk AFTER. I made a very risky and possibly stupid bet tonight against Xuri, on a defensive blitz, and I lost it and he scored. I'm sure anyone watching that replay would yell at me.

Happy to meet you, Ice Cream Emperor. Stick around for Season 3, and feel free to comment on this thread as much as you like. You can even follow the League and watch replays with BBManager if you feel like it, which would make your commentary even more meaningful. Mirror link for BBManager, here it is (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/setup.exe)


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: IainC on November 20, 2010, 04:30:12 AM
The nearest of the two unmarked linesmen needed a 5+ to make the pass without going for it. If I was one square closer that would have dropped to a 4+ so I decided to take the risk for an easier pass. I still had a reroll left that turn so I figured that going for it one square then a 4+ pass with a reroll was reasonably reliable. Of course I then burnt my reroll on the go for it roll and failed them both....


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on November 20, 2010, 04:34:37 AM
So...any way to make BBmanager not display in French?

EDIT: and what does "chance" mean, under stats?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 20, 2010, 05:18:42 AM
Uhm. I linked you to my own setup.exe so we have the same version. I think you should be able to choose the language when you launch it or install it for the first time.

And "chance" is supposed to represent how better or worse you fared vs statistical average, I guess. But it's kind of botched as it consider some "rolls" as always succesful ("Pass" is fail only on a fumble, for example), so take that value with a grain of salt.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on November 20, 2010, 06:11:06 AM
Weird. So in my last game, I felt like I hit way better than Xuri, but the roll stats don't necessarily bare that out... :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 20, 2010, 06:49:16 AM
What stats are you looking at? If you go on the "block dice" tab it says you had a percentage of success rolls of 59% (29/49), meaning you sent him on the floor on 59% of your block attempts. He on the other hand has a 47% success rolls ratio. You DID hit way better than him. It even says you had 3 turnovers on blocks against his 4, and that you rolled an average 1.76 dice per block against his 1.53, meaning you positioned your players for more consistent blocking. So apparently you've been both luckier AND smarter.

Finally, you broke his armor 11 times (on 36 attempts, 31%) while he only did it 8 times (on 33, 24%). This means you hit harder, too.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on November 20, 2010, 07:04:29 AM
Thanks - I'm not a math guy.  :grin:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: eldaec on November 20, 2010, 11:13:40 AM
Silver Horde 2 - 1 Hazardous Hippies

2-1 grind per textbook with no stupid turn 15 TDs this time. May write some more up later once I bask in my first f13 league points a little.

Replay:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/318368/Replay_2010-11-20_17-58-40.db



Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Teleku on November 20, 2010, 11:44:40 AM
Yeah, had a few mess-ups which cost me.  Should have moved the extra defender next to the other lineman on that turn 8 TD.  Was paranoid about how far to the side you could run to score, but I probably shouldn't have left him that far out, and also forgot the guy I left in the center was the easiest to take down.  Dice also turned against me for the later part there, though I was lucking out with them initially.

Also really needed to get that pickup in the second half when the wardancer took down the ball carrier, but alas, the attempt and the re-roll both failed.  Could have won it if I'd gotten that pickup on the wardancer.

Not to much more I could do though.  Eldaec played a very effective textbook cage grind.  With the decimation of my team from day 2, I'm way behind on SPP now.  None of my guys have leveled after 3 games, and I need to spend my cash on replacing dead catchers instead of other stuff.  Wood Elves kind of rely on being able to level up so they can get the skills to break cages effectively.  I'm probably in a death spiral now where I'll never catch up in skills and keep losing because I can't break cages (and the opponents players are all skilled up besides), which causes me to fall further behind.  But ah well, might get lucky.  At least I'll have a day to rest and get free cash next.   :awesome_for_real:





Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 20, 2010, 01:01:49 PM
I validated the match.

Eldaec, your replay gets bugged around turn 10. Teleku, can you send me yours? I want to see if it got saved without bugs on a different computer, somehow. Thank you.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Teleku on November 20, 2010, 01:36:02 PM
Already left home and arrived at work (hurray for coming in Saturdays to work!).  Not sure when I'm going to be back home to retrieve it.  Where are they saved at?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 20, 2010, 02:22:13 PM
Documents --> Blood Bowl Legendary --> Saves --> Replays


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Comstar on November 20, 2010, 03:33:07 PM
When you have two identical teams, the results are often a draw. Such is the case with Amazons vs Amazons. Both teams had double blocks that knocked everyone over, though my girls go the worst of it, with 1 linewomen dead and another one badly injured. However, I had control most of the match, but was held off long enough for a late scoring second half touchdown, and then used my last reroll badly in the last 2 turns of the game which made a hand off->throw-> catch->GFI both unlikely and eventually impossible.

I was down one girl this match, looks like I'll still be short another one next match. Catcher will get another skill out of it though.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: ezrast on November 20, 2010, 03:34:03 PM
6 Pools just drew 1-1 with F13 Catfighters. Comstar thoroughly outplayed me in the first half but I managed to come back in the second thanks to a couple lucky die rolls. Could just be perception, but I suspect that the dice gods were toying with Comstar on this one. Will get the replay up in just a second.

edit: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11780032/Replay_2010-11-20_16-29-24.db


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 20, 2010, 03:39:28 PM
Awesome. And match validated, so go spend your money.

Only 2 games to go, for Game Day #3:

Megrim vs. Ruvaldt       
Strazos vs. Avaia     


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ruvaldt on November 20, 2010, 05:04:26 PM
Megrim and I are in contact and should hold our match soon.  Hopefully tonight if he gets my email.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on November 20, 2010, 07:59:58 PM
Morsel 0 - 2 The Denton Despoilers. I need to buy amour upgrades for my Thralls. Too. Many. Stuns.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ruvaldt on November 20, 2010, 08:06:43 PM
It was a good match.  We had a few real cliffhangers, and you nearly tied it up with that runaway vampire around turn 11.  I was pretty fortunate with some GFIs, and just barely managed to take him down.  That blitzer gets a bonus.

Sent you the replay, Falconeer.  Looks like the game day is almost complete.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 20, 2010, 08:10:54 PM
Awesome! Validated the match.

Now we just need the Strazos bs. Avaia game and we can advance to Day #4.

And Teleku, don't forget your replay or I can't update BBManager.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on November 20, 2010, 09:01:42 PM
We plan to play Sunday evening, EST.

And just FYI, whoever I play next...I probably won't be available to play until at least the late evening of the 30th; I out of town starting Monday afternoon.

At least they'll have lots of time to review tape.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Teleku on November 21, 2010, 12:01:15 AM
Sorry, never made it back home tonight.  Wont be able to get the replay until I return tomorrow.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on November 21, 2010, 04:46:19 AM
Remember that it's big holiday week this coming week for the Americans.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: ezrast on November 21, 2010, 08:29:30 AM
Yeah, I will also be gone from Tuesday night through Sunday. Assuming my car gets fixed by then.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on November 21, 2010, 08:49:07 AM
I'll be unavailable from next Friday till Thursday so if my next opponent (eldaec) can play me before the weekend that'd be great!  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 21, 2010, 11:23:25 AM
Mmm I hereby propose that we'll make Game Day #4 longer than the usual 9 days. Chances are we won't need the extra days, but try and make sure we won't fuck up and will have to be sorry later, due to a holiday week I wasn't aware of, seems like a reasonable decision. What do you think?

And this is hoping/considering Avaia and Strazos will play today, so we can wrap up Game Day #3.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Teleku on November 21, 2010, 11:49:36 AM
Heres our replay:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41488/files/Replay_2010-11-20_09-58-47.db


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ruvaldt on November 21, 2010, 11:54:43 AM
Makes sense to me.  I'm travelling for Thanksgiving as well, but due to this being my BYE it never really mattered much.  Considering how fast we've been moving through game days so far I don't think it's a big deal to lengthen the next one.  Finishing this season by Christmas would be awesome because it would allow for a small break between seasons 2 and 3 without any delay in game days.  It's tough to make predictions like that though since it's still over a month away.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Comstar on November 21, 2010, 12:46:44 PM
I'm going to be away from my computer next week from thr 29th to the 5th.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on November 21, 2010, 05:32:41 PM
Avaia and I just finished our game. It was brutal, but could have been worse. It was a tie, but it could have gone either way with a better roll here or there.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: avaia on November 21, 2010, 05:44:07 PM
Avaia and I just finished our game. It was brutal, but could have been worse. It was a tie, but it could have gone either way with a better roll here or there.

20/20 rating, bitches!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 21, 2010, 05:45:03 PM
Great! Game validated and Game Day #3 is over!

Let's keep move on to the longer than usual Game Day #4. I'll post the details tomorrow morning, but I'd set as a deadline December 3rd. Chances are we'll be done before that anyway.

Matches are:

-Group 1-
Eldaec - Llyse
Ezrast - Modern Angel
Comstar - IainC
- Teleku BYE


- Group 2-
Megrim - Strazos
Proudft - Xuri
Avaia - Falconeer
- Ruvadt BYE

It would be great if Megrim and Strazos could play before Strazos leaves, but we prolonged the deadline just to make sure the game will be played, so if i can't be before Strazos trip, just make sure to play between November 30th and December 3rd. Same for Comstar IainC, make sure to play the 29th (when Comstar leaves)!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on November 21, 2010, 05:55:59 PM
Megrim, I'll be on the rest of the evening, but after tonight my ability to play before next Tuesday is doubtful at best.

I'm a touch disappointed that while I am still atop of my division, I don't have any players it seems on the hall of fame boards.  :oh_i_see:

Fake edit: And wow, good thing for the apothecary - my 'Zerker who killed Avaia's ghoul was nearly killed himself in that same match.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on November 21, 2010, 07:15:33 PM
Um, how long is the rest of the evening? I should clarify to say that I'm at work atm, and won't be home for another four and a half hours.

Also, lol @ my stranglehold on Punching Bag in both Team and Player categories.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on November 21, 2010, 08:07:39 PM
I'm working now too, so...See you next week.   :grin:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on November 21, 2010, 10:27:37 PM
Let me know what time you are available and what GMT offset you are when you're ready.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 22, 2010, 05:31:42 AM
Game Day #3, Scores and Standings.

All games played by November 21st.

Scores:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/BB%20GameDay3%20red.jpg)



Standings:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/BB%20Gameday3%20stands%20red.jpg)



** All relevant info updated in the OP (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283). You can always find up to date Scores and Standings there (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283) **


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 22, 2010, 05:40:48 AM
Player stats:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/BB%20players%203.jpg)





Team stats:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/BB%20Teams%203.jpg)



** All relevant info updated in the OP (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283). You can always find up to date Scores and Standings there (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283) **



Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 22, 2010, 05:41:32 AM
We are currently Playing.....
Game Day #4
** All games have to be played BEFORE December 3rd **


Group 1

Silver Horde FC - (Eldaec) vs. Alive Not Dead - (Llyse)                                        
6 Pools - (Ezrast) vs. Team Snoosnoo - (Modern Angel)  
F13 Catfighters - (Comstar) vs. Spleen Flay Hackers - (IainC)
- Hazardous Hippies - (Teleku) RESTS


Group 2

Morsel - (Megrim) vs. Diplomatic Immunity - (Strazos)      
Pointy Hat Squad - (Proudft) vs. North by Northwest - (Xuri)            
Necco Waivers - (Avaia) vs. The Bell Jar Utd. - (Falconeer)                            
- The Denton Despoilers - (Ruvaldt) RESTS


** All games have to be played BEFORE December 3rd **

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Teleku on November 22, 2010, 10:28:09 AM
How the fuck is my team #1 for "most experienced"?  I don't have a single guy who's leveled up yet.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 22, 2010, 12:01:32 PM
Teleku, that's the corrupted replays' fault. Whenever you upload a replay that doesn't really work, it gives some fucked up data. Which is a shame  :uhrr:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on November 22, 2010, 05:40:02 PM
Just played the game with ezrast. It was a strange game. Back and forth, very even in the first half. We ended it 1-1 with no serious injuries but lots of shoving and cage play. Second half saw a fumble by 6 Pools' formidable star thrower into the hands of one of my blitzers. After some keystone cops trundling around, Freight Train Joe managed to score. There was still time for the Amazons to win it but a midfield kick followed by a blitz for the orcs left the ball right back in the hands of Freight Train Joe, who promptly ran it in from midfield for the touchdown. With it being 3-1 it was all over for the ladies.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: ezrast on November 22, 2010, 05:46:00 PM
Well that was embarrassing. I went to all the trouble of caging up in the second half and then just sort of handed the ball over. Whoops.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on November 22, 2010, 06:03:22 PM
Inspired by Teleku's sacrifice I will be getting up at 6am to play eldaec tomorrow.

Looking forward to watching ezrast, Angel's game


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Teleku on November 22, 2010, 07:30:44 PM
Hopefully for your sake it doesn't turn out to literally be a sacrifice like in my case.   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Der Helm on November 23, 2010, 12:02:21 AM
Blood for the Blood God ?  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 23, 2010, 01:04:35 AM
Helm get the box for Season 3, come on dood!

And, validated Modern Angel vs. Ezrast match. I got the replay, but I'll be able to upload it on BBManager only later today.

Props to Llyse (and Teleku) for the sacrifice. That's the spirit!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Comstar on November 23, 2010, 03:12:50 PM
Well may they say that Nuffle is a Bitch.

Because nothing was nice about Nuffle for me for the first 13 turns of that game!

Turn 1, he stabs and kills my merc.

Turn 2, my bilitzer trips over and dies (and is only saved by the apoc).

Until turn 13, every single reroll I used for a critical issue, failed. GFI's. Double blocks. Dodges. Catches. I can say I outplayed the Dark Elves by a large factor - IanC rarely tried to secure the ball before trying to kill my players first, and eventually his amazing amount of luck (or my bad luck) failed him.

Even though he outnumbered my girls 2-1, I often was able to break 1 or 2 girls away to attack the lone or unsupported ball carrier...and then fail horribly at taking advantage of it. Until turn 13, any critical reroll, failed. 3 times on GFI's double 1's! Including running into the Touchdown zone.

However, eventually Nuffle smiled on me, the rain cleared, the Dark Elves actually failed in a pass, I was at the last moment able to dodge away, attack the ball carrier, grab the ball, dodge the counter attack, Get the F out of there, GFI, GFI, reroll, and GFTW.

The dark elves kept spending their time trying to knock the Amazons over, rather than go for the ball - a classic mistake. Granted it worked, in that I was down 2-6 players at any one time from the get go, but too much time was spent getting double knock-downs, with no rerolls, and eventually a double skull would come up. Meanwhile, too many of the dark elf players were still standing around instead of either protecting or attacking the ball carrier.

Still, a win is a win, and I might have enough to afford a full team next game.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: IainC on November 23, 2010, 03:22:24 PM
Played the game vs Comstar which was a very scrappy affair. I started off well murdering one of his players with my assassin and generally breaking people. Rolled the ball up the pitch and lost it, got it back and threw a long pass. Scrambled around a bit and suffered some poor luck before finally scoring 7 turns in. Second half started badly and got worse. Comstar equalised off a fumbled pass and then scored the winner after I failed to keep my players on their feet long enough to stop him. He had a few spots of bad luck with rerolls but mostly (after an atrocious start) the dice went his way for most of the game.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: eldaec on November 23, 2010, 03:22:34 PM
Silver Horde lose 2-1 to Alive not dead, but only 1 man out of the next match!

I actually think this would have been 1-1 if not for a retarded attempt by me to pick up a sixth spp on one of my guys with an unnecessary short pass. On the upside, Truckle the Uncivil has picked up his third MVP to regain his 'most experienced player' crown. Shame he's only a lineman, but there you go.

All that said Llyse easily deserved the win, I'm fairly new to blood bowl and it is very cool to see how much skill there is in picking out the blocking formation inside the two minutes with everything else going on.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: eldaec on November 23, 2010, 03:26:01 PM
I also feel it is necessary to point out that group 1 is awesome and has finished day 4.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on November 23, 2010, 03:32:11 PM
Hellz yeah!  :awesome_for_real:

Great game played with Eldaec, there was just a couple of times I thought I could have been in trouble if you blitzed the ball carrier instead of a zombie.

The other thing to note (min maxing incoming) is you should probably not burn rerolls for lineman dodges at the end of a turn.

It's no biggie if they fail there dodge and end up face first instead of standing up like real men.

Actually with norse lineman who start with block you're actually better off throwing 1 die blocks.

A dodge is 3+ (4/6 chance) of NOT falling on your arse
A block is 5/6 chance of NOT falling on your arse (50% chance of you knocking the other player down if they're skill less)

But definitely don't throw 1 die blocks as your first action as you were correctly avoiding  :heart:

Now to just hope bloody Comstar can lose otherwise my last match of the season will be quite interesting...


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 23, 2010, 04:17:56 PM
Awesome, everyone. I am gonna validate all the matches in about half an hour.

I need Llyse - Eldaec replay, of course.

Matches validated! Including the BYE ones.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Der Helm on November 23, 2010, 07:49:45 PM
Helm get the box for Season 3, come on dood!
Someone gift it to me, I am broke.  :grin:


I am not sure you'd want that anyway. I'd probably reroll my Chaos murder squad. Claw mutation + frenzy on a mino =  :ye_gods: :drill: :awesome_for_real:

I think I made a few player cry in the public league. No one wanted a rematch because after all my big guys had claws, there usually would be almost no squishies left to pick up or throw the ball.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 24, 2010, 12:05:58 AM
Hah, yeah Claw on chaos is a known problem.. for teams with AV bigger than 7, meaning it wouldn't affect my Amazons  :drillf:

That said, it takes some time to develop a chaos team to that level, time you probably wouldn't have in our shorter League. And, it's not like I would be so bothered by watching you devastate dwarves and orcs team anyway.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Comstar on November 24, 2010, 03:21:55 AM
Can I play my next game now or do I have to wait?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 24, 2010, 03:33:03 AM
You have to wait, because of the in-game system. It doesn't let us advance the calendar until all games are played :(


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Xuri on November 26, 2010, 05:04:39 PM
This was a total massacre...

Pointy Hat Squad 3 - 0 North by Northwest

The butcher's bill:
North by Northwest: 2 dead, 1 badly hurt, 1 sent off the pitch for killing an opponent in a foul
Pointy Hat Squad: 1 dead, 4 badly hurt


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: proudft on November 26, 2010, 05:09:08 PM
My recollections are:

One Norse player killed on the opening turn.  An elf cruelly stomped to death later.  A second Norse player killed after he picked up the ball and got hit in the back by a fearsome elf blitzer.  Too many injuries to recall details - a random elf lineman got a broken neck and there were several miss-next-games.  And to top it off,  the Norse-leaning crowd turned ugly and pelted the elves with rocks as the game was winding down, injuring one of the noble elf throwers.

Exciting!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Comstar on November 27, 2010, 07:55:20 PM
I'm going to be AFK till the 5th of Dec - sorry about holding up the last week.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: eldaec on November 27, 2010, 10:11:32 PM
There are three weeks left, plus playoffs, and it doesn't look you'll be holding the next one up very much by not playing till the fifth.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 28, 2010, 12:07:02 PM
I should be playing my match with Avaia tonight. Then, Strazos should be back tomorrow and will have 3 days to play the last match of Day #4 with Megrim. After their match, there will be 9 days for Game Day #5, so no worries Comstar.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: avaia on November 28, 2010, 03:00:59 PM
I should be playing my match with Avaia tonight. Then, Strazos should be back tomorrow and will have 3 days to play the last match of Day #4 with Megrim. After their match, there will be 9 days for Game Day #5, so no worries Comstar.

Another tie for me, but I put the hurt on Falconeer's amazons with 5 casualties.  Apparently dodge wasn't working too well today against the zombies.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 28, 2010, 03:15:09 PM
5 casualties and 4 KOs for me (1 CAS and 1 KO for Avaia). I ended the game with 4 women on the pitch. First hit of the night has been a casualty, and things kept going pretty much the same way. If it wasn't for a lucky touchdown on Avaia's first offensive drive, I would have just lost badly. Given how things went, I've been very lucky to come out of that with a tie. Too bad three of my players (two of the Blitzers) will be missing the next match.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on November 29, 2010, 06:07:28 PM
Ok, we should be playing our game tomorrow. Sorry about the delay everyone.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on November 30, 2010, 03:52:50 PM
You are playing tonight right? Right?! :)


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on December 01, 2010, 02:26:33 AM
In about 30 mins.

Aaaaaaaaand... Morsel 2 - 1 Diplomatic Immunity. Straz can take comfort in knowing that he str busted one of my vampires.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on December 01, 2010, 04:24:34 AM
A depressing 2-1 Bloodbath. My dice only showed up briefly, he had tons of rerolls to blow, and Norse block was hardly a factor.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 01, 2010, 05:02:52 AM
Great! Game Day #4 is over and we are on with Game Day #5. But where's my replay? I can't elaborate the Stats without it. Someone send it to me please! (usually it's the winner's duty)

Schedule for Game Day #5:

-Group A-

Modern Angel vs. Eldaec
IainC vs. Ezrast
Comstar vs. Teleku
-Llyse BYE


-Group B-

Ruvaldt vs. Falconeer
Xuri vs. Avaia
Strazos vs. Proudft
- Megrim BYE

All games have to be played BEFORE December 11th.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: proudft on December 01, 2010, 05:27:39 PM
Strazos got his money's worth from Block in our game.  Clearly it was saved up from the vampire game to beat in the heads of the Pointy Hat Squad!  The Norse won 2-0 after some, er, early thinning of the elf team.  One near-death (saved by the apothecary), no 'real' injuries other than the assorted minor taken-out-of-games.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on December 01, 2010, 06:28:55 PM
To recap both of my matches:

The fight against Megrim was...frustrating. He made a lot of his rolls, my block was largely irrelevant, and I was tired at 6am so I made some early mistakes. For some reason I tried to lay off of him at first, but then he just based my Norsemen and I wasn't going to risk dodging away, so I gave up positioning early and often. It was almost a 1-0 loss, then almost a tie, then he made a great play late in the game to seal the win.

The game against Proudft was much more entertaining...at least for me. I won the coin flip, received, and got back to doing what the Norse do best - wrecking face. I pounded up the field, splattered a few elves, and walked in the TD. I kicked back to the elves and beat them up some more to end the half.

Second half I kicked off and the elves made a nice hole in my line, and looked to be off the races...except a few Norse were in good-enough position to recover, and smashed the ball carrier for the trouble. Norse took the ball back, marched back up the field and nearly cleared the elves off the pitch on their way to scoring a second TD to close out the game.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 02, 2010, 03:04:28 AM
Game Day #4, Scores and Standings.



Scores:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/4%20gameday.jpg)



Standings:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/4%20tables.jpg)



** All relevant info updated in the OP (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283). You can always find up to date Scores and Standings there (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283) **


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 02, 2010, 03:05:45 AM
Player stats:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/4%20Players.jpg)





Team stats:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/4%20Teams.jpg)



** All relevant info updated in the OP (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283). You can always find up to date Scores and Standings there (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283) **



Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 02, 2010, 03:48:45 AM
With only 3 Game Days left, and a maximum of 9 points available (to the teams that didn't have a BYE week yet, only 6 to the others), let's take a look at the tables and see what is gonna happen playoff-wise.

Only the first two teams from each group are advancing, which means that, alas... Teleku, Eldaec and IainC are already out from the playoff ballot no matter what will happen in the next three games (this doesn't mean they are allowed to slack! There's a difference between going out in style, and going out without your teeth). Actually, the whole Group A seems to be pretty much done, even though there are more than enough points for miraculous comebacks from Modern Angel (who just got his first win this week) and Ezrast, especially considering that both Comstar and Llyse have yet to have their BYE week, and are gonna fight each other on the last Game Day (#7).

Group B is a completely different story. No one seems to be able to get any kind of consistency going, and the only unbeaten team (Falconeer) is dangerously in love with ties. So, while technically at the moment the leader is Proudft, it's important to notice that he already lost his Game Day #5 match with Strazos (who virtually jumps to 7 pts with 4 games played), and that a mere win separates Avaia (7th placed) from a golden spot in the playoffs. This week, Ruvaldt (5th placed, 4 pts) will play Falconeer (3rd placed, 5pts) and whoever wins basically gets the temporary leading spot, while Xuri and Avaia could easily get to 7 and 6 points, which given the situation could mean a great placement. Things are incredibly tangled, and pretty exciting if you ask me.


(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/4%20shorts.jpg)


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 02, 2010, 03:49:03 AM
We are currently Playing.....
Game Day #5
** All games have to be played BEFORE December 11th **


Group 1

Team Snoosnoo - (Modern Angel) vs. Silver Horde FC - (Eldaec)                1 - 1                                    
Spleen Flay Hackers - (IainC) vs. 6 Pools - (Ezrast)
F13 Catfighters - (Comstar) vs. Hazardous Hippies - (Teleku)                 2 - 1
- Alive Not Dead - (Llyse) RESTS


Group 2

The Denton Despoilers - (Ruvaldt) vs. The Bell Jar Utd. - (Falconeer)      1 - 1  
North by Northwest - (Xuri) vs. Necco Waivers - (Avaia)                       0 - 2
Diplomatic Immunity - (Strazos)  vs. Pointy Hat Squad - (Proudft)           2 - 0                    
- Morsel - (Megrim) RESTS


** All games have to be played BEFORE December 11th **

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



** All relevant info updated in the OP (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283). You can always find up to date Scores and Standings there (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283) **



Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on December 02, 2010, 07:11:56 PM
Loving this stuff, cannot wait for next season.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on December 02, 2010, 07:43:55 PM
Next season!?

I can't even wait for my next game... even if I need the bye due to work and real life creeping in  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 03, 2010, 12:51:10 AM
even if I need the bye due to work and real life creeping in  :awesome_for_real:

Being number one is exhausting!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on December 03, 2010, 04:47:25 AM
eldaec, you there?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ruvaldt on December 03, 2010, 04:45:09 PM
1-1 tie with Falconeer in our game, and I just died a little inside.  

I had the first possession, but my offensive line was only able to push away a few Amazons.  In Falconeer's first down, first tackle he unceremoniously murdered my Black Orc, Murderpig.  Those Amazon girls know how to party.  After mourning Murderpig I moved the ball up a bit, had some trouble getting through a few Amazons, and started a mad dash with a goblin, which, to be honest, was a poor choice taken out of frustration.  The goblin was soon knocked out of the field of play, and the ball was placed back at Falconeer's endzone where, after a failed pickup and some dodgery, I was able to squeak out a TD.

Falconeer had three turns to score before Halftime, but he lost track of his turns and didn't make a final pass and play for a TD in his final round.

The second half went well for me after some inconclusive sparring back and forth, and I managed to break into a cage that Falconeer had going.  I picked up the ball with a goblin, and, fearing that he would knock me down in the next round decided to knock away an Amazon which was within striking range and put him into a safer position.  This was a mistake, and after using a reroll we both fell, the ball went out of bounds then to the middle of my field and landed right next to an Amazon, who picked it up.  This was the only place on the field the ball could've landed and allowed a TD, but there you have it.  I failed a GFI to blitz him for one last attempt to save a win, and Falconeer scored the game-tying TD in the last round. 

It was so close I could taste it, but still a fun game, and Falconeer gave me a fight to remember.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 03, 2010, 05:12:44 PM
Guess what? I tied again! And this time I've been REAAAALLY lucky and undeserving.

A weird game between me and Ruvaldt's orcs. We've been both extremely cautious for a long while, trying to avoid blocks as much as possible and playing more Stare-War than Blood Bowl. As an Amazon, the strategy was good, and I managed to kill one of his Black Orcs on the very first block of the game (but then managed not to do much with it). Ruvaldt had the first possession and managed to lose the ball due to a dubious penetration on my right flank on turn 3. And here's where things get strange: I push his ball carrier out of bounds but I can't see the ball being thrown back in the pitch. I start panicking, message him on Steam asking for help and blaming a bug, but with the clock actually going down and 40 seconds left I throw a few random blocks but have NO IDEA where the ball actually is. Turns out, I didn't see it due to stupid snowy field, and the ball is lying 1 square away from my end zone! I am still way closer than the orcs, so I put one blitzer to prevent his only player in range from rushing the ball, and I go with the throweress to get the ball. Who, of course, is an idiot, so she fails to pickup and the ball scatters behind her, meaning in perfect walking distance of Ruvaldt's incoming blitzer. Which is marked, but still manages to shove away the Blitzer I placed in front of him, picks up the ball despite it being marked by my throweress, gets out of said throweress's dodge zone, and scores on turn 6. FUCK. IT.
Subsequently, I waste my three turns of possession dwindling in the middle of the pitch without realizing the clock is running down, losing my chance for a hail mary pass. Sadness, and very poor playing on my part.

Second half doesn't change much. I get my game together and move my Amazons in a reasonable and well protected cage position, while keeping a couple of random gals wide left for a possible desperation pass. Turns out a cage is never too solid with Amazons, since they have a tendency to KO when blocked hence leaving depressing empty spots in the formerly fortified cage. Orcs start bashing and getting in, and when they manage to strip the ball away from my throweress's hands, I have another chance to recover it for the afore mentioned desperation pass to that lonely couple of wide receiving women. Well, you think it's easy to pick up a ball with 3+, no marking whatsoever and a reroll, right? Wrong. Sylvia Plath, my glorified quarterback, fails horribly (AGAIN, what a night) and leaves the ball right there, for the orcs to pick it up, secure it, and let the clock run down.

So, Falc, how the hell did this end in a tie?

I am tempted to let Ruvaldt tell you, or to just have you all watch the replay. But I won't challenge your patience or interest that much, so here's a foggy, not-so-lucid and totall biased version of what happened:
There's an orc, a lineman, who goes for the loose ball, but fails to pick it up. Mind, even if he fails, he has superior umber and positioning, so it's not so bad even if he fails. So the ball goes crazy, sliding through many legs and many failed attempts to catch it, until one heroic goblin, behind the hard line of his own team, succeeds and picks it up for what is gonna be the final act of the game. This goblin is on the sideline but very well protected. None of my player can attempt any kind of blitz on him, not even with red dice, and all I can do is get some players around him to hassle things and force some miraculous mistake. Which is going to happen the next turn.

A small sequence of the last 3 turns:

Falconeer's turn 14: Pushes some orcs away and gets in touch with the ballcarrying gobbo but unable to block him.
Ruvaldt's turn 14: Slams one of my markers away and make sure that the only one still standing has red dice should she try to block the gobbo. Apparently though, he's not satisfied with this, and decides that the ballcarrying goblin SHOULD try to blitz his own marker away! It's a 1 die block, neither me or him have "block", he's on the sideline but has a reroll. Well, he gets a "both down", rerolls, gets another "both down". Goblin falls, loses the ball, the scatter goes OUT OF BOUND, ball gets thrown back into the pitch.... guess where? RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT LONELY RECEIVER I LEFT WIDE FOR THE WHOLE SECOND HALF.

Falconeer's turn 15: Silly linewoman succeeds dodging away from her marker, fails a pickup but succeeds on the reroll, and runs in the far left corner of the pitch, giving only one Orc blitzer a desperate chance for a block which requires a go for it first. Orc fails the go for it. I score.

Unbelievable. Steal of the century. I am sorry. Nuff said  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ruvaldt on December 03, 2010, 05:49:34 PM
I want to cry.   :heartbreak:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on December 03, 2010, 05:50:50 PM
Not yet - we still need to play the next game day!  :grin:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ruvaldt on December 03, 2010, 06:02:06 PM
Oh, I'd play tonight if I could!  I feel a dire need to avenge the tie with some bashing.  :drill:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on December 03, 2010, 06:51:34 PM
unceremoniously murdered my Black Orc, Murderpig...
:grin:



Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on December 03, 2010, 07:26:56 PM
Unbelievable. Steal of the century. I am sorry.

You're not sorry at all!  :pedobear:

Hmmm my last two games are against Amazons, come on AV7!  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 03, 2010, 07:38:23 PM
Llyse, fear the Blodge!

And Ruvaldt, I checked the replay. Your apothecary indeed saved Murderpig, he should have a broken hand and just miss next game. I have no idea why he stayed dead, but this is a bug and so yes you've been robbed even more tonight  :uhrr:

EDIT: Wow, I didn't notice this Ruvaldt. Apparently both your black orc Murderpig and Knobhead the goblin have been injured by none other than Virginia Woolf herself, who scored two casualties tonight. What a honour, don't you think?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ruvaldt on December 03, 2010, 07:49:14 PM
Poor Murderpig.  As if being born with an unfathomable lack of intellect wasn't enough, now fate has once again conspired against him.  Hopefully his replacement, Homicidehog, will bring honor and pride to his squad in their timeless quest for blood-soaked vengeance.

Murderpig, may flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.  You were a saint among swine.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on December 03, 2010, 09:00:05 PM
If you'd like, I can make sure his brothers-in-blood bowl join him soon...you know, to keep him company. :grin:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ruvaldt on December 03, 2010, 09:39:15 PM
Your björk-loving, lutefisk munching squareheads will be dining with Odin soon enough.  Your taunts only inflame Homicidehog's burning desire for justice and a leg to munch on.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 04, 2010, 08:43:12 PM
Plenty of time (6 days to go) but we are going slower compared to the past weeks with 4 more games to play. You all organizing your games out there?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on December 04, 2010, 08:51:48 PM
eldaec and I are tomorrow morning my time so expect a report.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: eldaec on December 05, 2010, 08:59:20 AM
Team Snoosnoo 1-1 Silver Horde

Snoosnoo dominated the first half - caught me out of position early on and the rest of the half was just a centre-pitch brawl while the orcs waited till turn 8 to score.

Second half the Horde were receiving, caged up deep in their own half, and boxed in by orcs, but managed to rotate the scrum enough to sneak up the touchline for a score at the end.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/318368/Replay_2010-12-05_15-56-13.db


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on December 05, 2010, 09:01:04 AM
Team Snoosnoo and Silver Horde FC came to a grinding, cage based tie. It was a tale of two halves, with Snoosnoo dominating the first half and Silver Horde's bruising play and bizarrely effective chain dodges proving effective in the second. Of note, new Snoosnoo Thrower Jerkface scored in his first game with the team, ending with a touchdown and 32 yards on the ground. Silver Horde did end up with several injuries, as well, leaving them in rough shape for the next game; orc lineman Snookums added to the damage with a late game foul causing a fractured leg.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: eldaec on December 05, 2010, 09:07:10 AM
The defining feature I'm finding with Silver Horde, is that all my best moves are coming out playing the traditional bashy cage, but always moving sideways. Having relatively high quality linemen means there is always a spare guy or two to start reforming the cage, and having agi 3 means at least a couple can dodge out of the existing formation.

I don't know what the stats will say, but it felt like the D6 was loving me today - while the block dice were firmly in Snoosnoo's camp.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on December 05, 2010, 09:45:55 AM
I think I'm too nervous about dodges. I should dodge more.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ruvaldt on December 05, 2010, 10:09:57 AM
With goblins, definitely.  Otherwise it can be tough to pull the trigger with orcs.  I make my blitzers dodge on occasion, but usually on defense.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on December 05, 2010, 12:33:16 PM
If someone were so inclined, if you looked at my games, I think the number of dodges I have attempted can be counted on a single hand - my Norsemen prefer to just punch folks in the face. :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Xuri on December 05, 2010, 06:32:52 PM
Aaand....another loss for me.

North by Northwest 0 - 2 Necco Waivers

Suffered 7 KOs and 3 casualties. Had nearly half my team off the pitch for most of the match ;|


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: avaia on December 05, 2010, 06:36:26 PM
Holy shit, I didn't tie.  Too bad I couldn't stomp on that Yeti's balls some more, regeneration brought back two of his victims.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 06, 2010, 01:26:49 AM
Holy shit. This is Group B with only 2 days to go:

                    pts.             TD diff.

Strazos            7   pts.      (+3)
Falconeer         6              (+1)
Proudft            6*            (+1)
Avaia               6               (0)
Megrim            6               (-1)
Ruvaldt            5*            (+1)
Xuri                 4              (-5)


* These teams have only 1 game left to play.


All teams are STILL able to get to the playoffs! Touch Down difference is going to be SUPER IMPORTANT!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: avaia on December 06, 2010, 05:43:59 AM
I think I only have one game left, Proudft already had his bye.

Holy shit. This is Group B with only 2 days to go:

                    pts.             TD diff.

Strazos            7   pts.      (+3)
Falconeer         6              (+1)
Proudft            6*            (+1)
Avaia               6               (0)
Megrim            6               (-1)
Ruvaldt            5*            (+1)
Xuri                 4              (-5)

* These teams have only 1 game left to play.


All teams are STILL able to get to the playoffs! Touch Down difference is going to be SUPER IMPORTANT!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ruvaldt on December 06, 2010, 05:47:01 AM
I actually have two games left, I think.  Strazos and Xuri.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 06, 2010, 05:49:42 AM
You are all right, I messed up.

This is Group B with only 2 days to go:

                    pts.             TD diff.

Strazos            7   pts.      (+3)
Falconeer         6              (+1)
Proudft            6              (+1)
Megrim            6               (-1)
Avaia               6*             (0)
Ruvaldt            5              (+1)
Xuri                 4*             (-5)


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 06, 2010, 05:39:42 PM
Alright, three games to go and two matches still to play. Don't make me nervous!  :heartbreak:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on December 06, 2010, 08:17:13 PM
You all need to get with the program and throw a bunch of 0-0 ties.  :grin:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Teleku on December 06, 2010, 08:26:54 PM
Welp, Comstar just beat me in the final round of the game, 2-1.  Even with dice again kicking the shit out of me injury wise, I think I'm just coming to the conclusion I'm very horrible at this game.   :awesome_for_real:

Good game Comstar!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Comstar on December 06, 2010, 08:28:32 PM
Amazons defeat Wood elves, and this time the Wood Elves didn't get anyone killed or out a game.

I played pretty conservatively  - I fear the Wood Elf dances ease to sack the ball carrier- and my fears were justified when they got a touch down doing it. First half of the game the elves didn't dodge away much, and neither did I - so a low scoring game. After the 1st quoter the elves remembed to start dodging away, but I was in control most of the time.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on December 06, 2010, 09:42:37 PM
Welp, Comstar just beat me in the final round of the game, 2-1.  Even with dice again kicking the shit out of me injury wise, I think I'm just coming to the conclusion I'm very horrible at this game.   :awesome_for_real:

Good game Comstar!

Damn bad luck Teleku, especially now I have to beat up on every Amazon to stay top of Group A...


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 07, 2010, 02:02:05 AM
Alright, great. I'll validate your match tonight. Seems like there will be a fantastic tie-breaker on Game Day #7 between Llyse and Comstar. So cool.

In the meantime, please, IainC and Ezrast, make sure to play your game in the next 3 days. It'd be a pity to have our first administered match.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: IainC on December 07, 2010, 05:01:57 AM
Ezrast and I tried to play last night but despite checking firewall settings (which have been just fine for all of the previous games for both of us), restarting and spamming invites each way, we couldn't get the match to connect. We're going to try again tonight but I have no clue what to do if this doesn't work.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 07, 2010, 05:14:43 AM
Ugh!

Ok, me and Avaia had the same problem. Usually, it means one of you has those damned ports closed. I know this because:

a) I asked on the boards, and they all agree it's about it.
b) I found a way to open my ports on the fly after an hour of fruitless attempts with Avaia, and it magically worked right after I forwarded ports.
c) Modern Angel studied and read a lot about it, forwarded his ports too, and everything worked great after that.

Please note that the fact you haven't had any problem before isn't conclusive of anything. Apparently Blood Bowl is stupid and only prevents SOME players from connecting when certain mystery conditions about ports are met.

So, to cut it short, one of you two (or both) has to access his router settings and open ports 9103, 16962 and 30710. >> Here is the most enlightening post from the official boards (http://www.cyanide-studio.com/forumBB/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=21955#p328687) I came across (it's from a thread I started). Mind, if you know how to forward ports yourself, then you don't need to follow his links. Otherwise, as Modern Angel did, they can provide an easy shortcut to fiddle with your router settings. You can read that whole thread too, there are a few more info and advices in other posts too. Let me know how it goes!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: avaia on December 07, 2010, 08:57:24 AM
Uh, that wasn't with me? GET MY NAME OUT OF YER MOUTH


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 07, 2010, 09:00:44 AM
Right. Ruvaldt  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ruvaldt on December 07, 2010, 10:13:12 AM
Yeah, it was me.

I've actually managed to dodge that bullet so far, though two games were delayed a little due to it.  I live in a kind of graduate student dorm and don't have the ability to fiddle with router settings.  In two weeks that changes though.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: ezrast on December 07, 2010, 10:47:58 AM
The aggravating thing is that I have my PC plugged directly into my modem, but the modem wants to act as a router/firewall and the terrible web configuration interface on this POS means I'm never quite sure if I'm disabling everything properly. I'll poke around with it some more.

edit: I, uh, had left Windows Firewall on.

:facepalm:

We're playing now!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: IainC on December 07, 2010, 12:21:43 PM
A failure to make dodge rolls gave Ezrast a 2-0 victory. I failed to score in the first half when my linesman failed a dodge roll to make the touchdown line then failed again on the last turn of the match after successfully picking up the ball to leave one tackle zone which would have let me throw a 3+ pass to a totally unmarked elf who was within range of the TD line. I also managed to fumble the ball and knock myself over every time that it mattered. I doubt I could have won that game but I'm sure I should have at least tied it.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 07, 2010, 12:39:11 PM
Great! Thank you all so much for being awesome! Validated matches and proceeding to Game day #6!

- Group A -

Eldaec vs. IainC
Modern Angel vs. Teleku
Llyse vs. Ezrast
- Comstar BYE


- Group B -

Ruvaldt vs. Strazos
Megrim vs. Falconeer
Proudft vs. Avaia
- Xuri BYE


Important! I *NEED* Teleku vs. Comstar replay as soon as possible! Please, any of you two send it to me quick quick, or I can't elaborate stats.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: ezrast on December 07, 2010, 12:50:45 PM
Holy hell, that game was epic... for me, at least.

My 6 Pools kicked off to Iain's Spleen Flay Hackers in the first half, but first turn he took too long trying to do unto me before I did unto him - amazons and dark elves are both squishy but neither play particularly defensively, so it was important to get the first hits in. Unfortunately, he didn't get around to protecting the ball before the clock ran down forcing a turnover, and even more unfortunately the dice were on my side the entire night - I managed to injure three of his players, knock down his lone ball carrier, and score a TD by turn three. I kicked off again - this time to a field of only ten elves on the pitch, and he did a better job of forming up and knocking my ladies down (or just stabbing them outright), but couldn't pick up the ball and the game once again ended up on his side of the pitch. I thought I had it in the bag, but I didn't mind his safeties, and at the last minute he made an epic breakaway with the ball, tossed it to a receiver, and GFI'd twice to the very last square before my endzone. In desperation, one of my linewomen - the only one anywhere near his catcher - GFI'd twice to put the catcher in her tackle zone, and on Iain's next turn he failed his 3+ roll to dodge and fell over with the ball in my endzone. Ouch. I formed up around the ball, knocked down anyone who got close (and some who didn't), and stalled out the rest of the half. Score: 1 - 0.

Second half, one of Iain's linemen actually managed to blitz in, make a dodge, and receive his own team's kickoff, but my amazons descended upon him like wolves. The elves put up a good fight, and regained possession once or twice, but were outnumbered and couldn't prevent the Pools from forming a solid cage. Iain led off his next turn with a very ill-advised dodge into 3 tackle zones, and the early turnover meant I had nothing stopping me from running straight up the field and scoring. At this point only eight elves were still in fighting shape, but the fickle dice gods were still not sated in their thirst for seeing Iain get screwed over. As I kicked off to him, fans invaded the pitch and beat down another four of his players, leaving them stunned on the ground. Amazingly, even though I sent as many players up the field as I could, Iain managed to pull a defense together and prevent me from scoring, thanks in part to my actually failing some rolls for a change. Unfortunately, Iain's rolls didn't improve, and his one chance to throw the ball upfield and score was foiled by a bad dodge roll on turn 16. End of game, score 2 - 0.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 07, 2010, 12:58:40 PM
Quote
and on Iain's next turn he failed his 3+ roll to dodge and fell over with the ball in my endzone. Ouch.

I hate that shit. Happened to me yesterday in a game in Auld League while playing against the 91st team of the whole League (I'm 1853rd). Same identical thing, only, I had a reroll and failed that too. Ended in a tie, but I tasted the upset of the year and saw it slip away just like that.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: IainC on December 07, 2010, 01:03:34 PM
Iain led off his next turn with a very ill-advised dodge into 3 tackle zones, and the early turnover meant I had nothing stopping me from running straight up the field and scoring.

This was a last-ditch attempt to put a tackle zone on your ball carrier and force you to roll some dice to move away - either by blocking my elf or making a dodge roll. There was literally nothing else I could do to prevent you from scoring.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: ezrast on December 07, 2010, 01:15:44 PM
Oh yeah, this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11780032/Replay_2010-12-07_13-01-13.db

Looking forward to seeing the stats after this, particularly TD difference. My chances as the scrappy underdog of Group 1 hang in the balance.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on December 07, 2010, 05:36:37 PM
The game between Falconeer and I can be summed up with the following screenshot:


(http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/6468/iceskating.th.jpg) (http://img580.imageshack.us/i/iceskating.jpg/)




Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 07, 2010, 05:49:35 PM
Megrim's Morsel vs. Falconeer's Feminists     2 - 2

This is my 4th tie in a row. I am sad!

It has been a crazy game. Now we all know that with Blood Bowl they they are pretty much all crazy games, but there have been SO many 3+ to score, and fail, that I can safely say it's one of the most heartpounding game I've ever played. Ultimately, I think I was totally deserving a tie, but when I failed another go for it for TD in turn 15, after failing an easy catch for TD in turn 14 (note, same thing happened in turn 8 of first half, and Megrim managed to score in one turn on the rebound, picking up the ball on my failed 3+ dodge roll (with dodge!) 2 squares away from his endzone and returning it all the way down, for the 2-1 lead), I thought it was lost for good. Nuffle decided the game deserved a real 20/20 fun factor, so he managed to have his vampire fail the bloodlust roll (2+) on turn 16, drop the ball he was moving away from end zone just one square short of it, and leave my frustrated blitzer a final chance to score, and this time, after a succesfull pickup, she did.

'Unbelievable' is the word I kept mumbling during the last 9 turns, but if you want to really see what I am talking about you should probably get the replay. After all, it's a 20/20 fun rating game :D

The sad thing is, still unbeaten, with 4 ties and only 1 win I could be out of the playoffs no matter what I do in the last game.



Fake edit: Haha, awesome screenshot Megrim. And I'd like not to forget that point when I failed the gfi and you just typed "epic" right away. I appreciated it  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on December 07, 2010, 10:37:45 PM
PM Sent to ezrast


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: proudft on December 07, 2010, 11:00:13 PM
Pointy Hat Squad got a beatdown from Necco Waivers, losing 3-0.  An investigation is going to be launched into the manufacturer of our Elite High Elven Armour (tm), as it is clearly suffering from flaws in production.  Six elves over the course of the game were injured, two of whom will be suffering for some time, and one was only saved from death by the quick application of apothecary science.

I had some interface fail in the second half, giving the ball to the wrong player on an out-of-bounds kickoff, and messing up a blitz to hit a runaway werewolf, but after the brutal first half it wasn't going to make much difference.  Curse you, avaia, curse youuuuuuu!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: avaia on December 07, 2010, 11:04:58 PM
Necco 3, pointy hat squad 0.  Luck was with me all game on the dice, and PHS felt the wrath of my public FACE by Megrim in week 1.  Wish I had played my team before that first match.  :heartbreak:

The Necco reign of terror is over in Division 2, hopefully I can sneak in the playoffs after the last couple of weeks.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Teleku on December 07, 2010, 11:27:12 PM
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41488/files/Replay_2010-12-06_19-21-23.db

Here is the replay from our match.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Muffled on December 08, 2010, 01:07:44 PM
Those Amazons play dirty!  :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Teleku on December 08, 2010, 01:11:21 PM
That's what I said.   :oh_i_see:

Sad thing is that I was afraid of using the apothecary to stop the badly injured roll on my war dancer, because I'm just afraid I'll have yet another person DIE on me later.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 08, 2010, 03:29:32 PM
Game Day #5, Scores and Standings.



Scores:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/5%20scores%20done.jpg)



Standings:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/5%20tables%20done.jpg)



** All relevant info updated in the OP (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283). You can always find up to date Scores and Standings there (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283) **


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 08, 2010, 03:30:37 PM
Player stats:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/5%20players%20done.jpg)





Team stats:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/5%20teams%20done.jpg)



** All relevant info updated in the OP (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283). You can always find up to date Scores and Standings there (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283) **



Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 08, 2010, 03:40:33 PM
We are currently Playing.....
Game Day #6
** All games have to be played BEFORE December 17th **


Group 1

Silver Horde FC - (Eldaec) vs. Spleen Flay Hackers - (IainC)                      3 - 0                          
Team Snoosnoo - (Modern Angel) vs. Hazardous Hippies - (Teleku)              1 - 2  
Alive Not Dead - (Llyse) vs. 6 Pools - (Ezrast)                                               3 - 1            
- F13 Catfighters - (Comstar) RESTS


Group 2

The Denton Despoilers - (Ruvaldt) vs. Diplomatic Immunity - (Strazos)   0 - 2            
Morsel - (Megrim) vs. The Bell Jar Utd. - (Falconeer)                                       2 - 2            
Pointy Hat Squad - (Proudft) vs. Necco Waivers - (Avaia)                           0 - 3                              
- North by Northwest - (Xuri) RESTS


** All games have to be played BEFORE December 17th **

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: IainC on December 08, 2010, 04:02:42 PM
Shouldn't the resting team in group 1 be the F13 Catfighters rather than Llyse who is apparently playing Ezrast on the same day that he is resting?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on December 08, 2010, 04:04:22 PM
Anyone know how to do this Forwarding stuff on a Verizon FiOS router/modem?

EDIT: Disregard, I make work.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 08, 2010, 04:08:58 PM
Group A so far witnessed the dominance of Llyse and Comstar, both unbeatable and both comfortably in the lead. The final match should decide who will pass first and who will be second. And eventually, will be useful to cripple opponents in anticipation of the finals.


The real interesting thing is in Group B, where 2 of the 3 scheduled matches have been played already. With only Strazos vs. Ruvaldt still to go, and not counting Xuri that is already out of the playoff ballot, this is the situation with ONE MATCH TO GO (2 for Strazos and Ruvaldt):

                        Points    Match played (of 6)    TD diff.

1)  Avaia                 9             6*                          +3
2)  Strazos              7             4                           +3
3)  Falconeer           7             5                           +1
4)  Megrim              7             5                            -1
5)  Pointy Hat          6             5                            -2
6)  Ruvaldt              5             4                           +1

* out of games.

Making caluclations will only give you a headache. One thing is for sure. Falconeer and Strazos will play on Game Day #7 and whoever will win that match will automatically gain a spot in the playoff. This is, unless Megrim wins vs. Proudft with a 3 TD difference. At the same time, Avaia, who ran out of games, could still manage to qualify in case of massive ties, and the same thing is true for Proudft, who could win his last match, eliminating Megrim, and hoping in Strazos eliminating Falconeer. Megrim isn't doing so well as he has a bad TD diff, but with a win over Proudft and hoping Strazos will beat Falconeer, he could get to the second place. Finally Ruvaldt, with two more games to play, has lots of chances given he can win them both (or at least 1 win and a tie). I have a headache, guys. If someone wants to make a better report, please feel free...



Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: ezrast on December 08, 2010, 04:17:40 PM
Alive not Dead outplayed, outbashed, and outran my 6 Pools for a 3-1 victory. This puts me out of the running and guarantees Llyse and Comstar as group A's semi-finalists, although their last game against each other will determine who comes out on top of pool A.

Considering my noobness and terrible starting lineup (6 rerolls is a bit excessive), I didn't do half bad with my 'zons, but after the season I don't think I'll play them again for a while. Against squishy teams they feel like orcs, but against bashy teams they feel like elves, and I just have no idea how to handle it. I should probably play some elves, actually, to get a feel for the passing game - I focus on cage play almost exclusively and I think that hurt me a lot.

Anyway, good job to Llyse and Comstar; I'm eager to see how they hold up against the best of what group B has to offer... whomever that turns out to be.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 08, 2010, 04:26:05 PM
best of what group B has to offer


 :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on December 08, 2010, 05:37:18 PM
Well played game ezrast Especially after my Blood bowl crashed at kick off and happily replaying the match.

I'm actually tempted in throwing my match comstar to avoid the possibility of playing Megrim's vampires.


Being a friend in real life might strain our friendship when his precious vampires suffer the ignominy of being knocked out by my team.

That and the incessant whinging about dice tolls  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 08, 2010, 05:43:23 PM
Strazos won with Ruvaldt.

This means he's 99% winner of Group B

Second spot will be between me and Megrim, if we can manage to win our final match (me with Strazos, Megrim with Proudft).
Magrim has a worse TD than me, so he has to win and hope I don't.

If we both lose, or get a tie, Avaia is second.




Updated situation for Group B

                        Points    Match played (of 6)    TD diff.

1)  Strazos              10            5                           +5
2)  Avaia                 9             6*                          +3
3)  Falconeer           7             5                           +1
4)  Megrim              7             5                            -1
5)  Pointy Hat          6             5                            -2

 


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ruvaldt on December 08, 2010, 05:46:48 PM
Very exciting game against Strazos.  Pretty pleased with the game I played besides one or two choices that may or may not have made any difference.  He won 2 - 0, but I think it was closer than that, honestly.  Congratulations, Strazos, hopefully I made it competitive at least.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: avaia on December 08, 2010, 07:30:35 PM
Fuckers.   :mic_drop:

Strazos won with Ruvaldt.

This means he's 99% winner of Group B

Second spot will be between me and Megrim, if we can manage to win our final match (me with Strazos, Megrim with Proudft).
Magrim has a worse TD than me, so he has to win and hope I don't.

If we both lose, or get a tie, Avaia is second.




Updated situation for Group B

                        Points    Match played (of 6)    TD diff.

1)  Strazos              10            5                           +5
2)  Avaia                 9             6*                          +3
3)  Falconeer           7             5                           +1
4)  Megrim              7             5                            -1
5)  Pointy Hat          6             5                            -2

 


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on December 08, 2010, 07:53:36 PM
Yea, it's going to be very close going into the finals. The fact that I need to win by 3, AND the fact that Proudft is going to get inducements against me... yeesh. But then. Falconeer's last match is against the top Norse, and in that matchup I think my money would be on the Norsemen. And I think Strazos is getting inducements against the Amazon.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on December 08, 2010, 08:34:42 PM
I'll actually tell you right now - I'm not getting inducements. I'm trying to save for another reroll.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on December 08, 2010, 08:59:32 PM
Actually if proudft beats Megrim by 6-0

And

Strazos beats Falcon

Proudft will make it into the playoffs beating Avaia on TD difference of +4

Still a mathematical possibility you dainty elves!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: proudft on December 08, 2010, 09:21:57 PM
Well, at least it is possible for elves to score every other turn.  Possible.   :uhrr:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on December 08, 2010, 09:28:22 PM
Eh, it's not unheard of to run in five plus touchdowns in a game for an Elf team. It'd be easier if you were playing WE, but HE catchers are fairly horseshit as well. Scoring a TD every second turn can be done with some luck on the kick-off events and decent dice.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on December 08, 2010, 09:53:01 PM
I'll actually tell you right now - I'm not getting inducements. I'm trying to save for another reroll.

Isn't he about 100tv ahead of you anyway?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 09, 2010, 01:00:00 AM
This is so exciting. Group B is lots of fun and I keep catching myself thinking about my last game and how to win it. Call me a nerd, but I think I'm gonna watch some of Strazos' replays before we play. I don't really care about winning the tournament, I just like the idea of having my team surviving, growing and bashing. It will be pretty hard to make a new one for Season 3, no matter what.

The League has 34 flawlessly played games and is only two games away from last day of regular season. Then 3 matches for the playoffs and we'll wrap it up for a total of 45 matches. It ran incredibly smooth and we'll be almost certainly able to have a winner before Christmas, giving everyone enough time to prepare for Season 3 and eventually get a copy of the game under the tree for those who couldn't make it in Season 2.

So yeah, thanks everyone for making one of my childhood dreams true (a REAL Blood Bowl League!), and spread the rumor so we can get even more people for Season 3. And yes, every lurker is invited.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on December 09, 2010, 05:11:33 AM
No doubt. I'm floored by how well this has gone. Hopefully we can keep that momentum up for next season.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: avaia on December 09, 2010, 07:31:35 AM
Nice mini-magnetic set here for "real" playing: http://comixininos.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=348 (http://comixininos.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=348)

So... does anyone play any other games on vassal or BSW?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: eldaec on December 09, 2010, 09:06:05 AM
Just so the rest of you can be thinking about scheduling your last main season match, Iain and I probably won't be playing till Sunday morning, which will be a season finale for my little Norse dudes.  :cry:

Given Iain has purchased a second assassin just for the occaision of playing my pasty AV7 ass, we'll have to see just have much of a team I have left after that anyway....


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: IainC on December 09, 2010, 09:27:03 AM
Given Iain has purchased a second assassin just for the occaision of playing my pasty AV7 ass, we'll have to see just have much of a team I have left after that anyway....

58%


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Tmon on December 09, 2010, 01:22:02 PM
Count me in for next season.  I really need to stop reading this forum.  This is the third game I've bought this year because of it...


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ruvaldt on December 09, 2010, 01:54:14 PM
I actually intend on watching all of the post-season games, and I am hoping to see them unspoilered.  Preferably I can avoid all of the "Hey, I just won 2-0" posts once things get underway, and I can watch the games as a surprised spectator.

I'm in for season 3.  This was some of the most enjoyable Blood Bowl ever for me.  If anyone is on the fence about playing, you shouldn't be; league play is the only way to play Blood Bowl, everyone here is competitive but courteous, and the computer does all of the annoying stuff for you regardless of your understanding of the tabletop rules.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on December 09, 2010, 06:41:15 PM
League definitely is it.

Matchmaking is like fast food quick but ultimately unfulfilling.

It's ridiculously oriented towards TV management like WoW Arenas

I'm (almost) always available for some casual matches in order for someone to get a feel of the a particular race in preparation of the next season  :awesome_for_real:

Playing against the computer is just stress relief in beating up a kid for lunch money.

hmmm time to watch Comstar/Falconeers/Straz's previous matches to study...  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on December 09, 2010, 07:11:41 PM
Oh my dear lord the game I just had with Teleku. No exaggeration, maybe the worst half of BB I've played in recent memory in the second half. He won 2-1. Game started off with a bang, with the Hippies' animal Wardancer killing my brand new blitzer, Bob Jigglypuff, on the first turn of his first game ever. I hung in and smacked him around good the rest of the half with things going according to my orcy plan. 1-0 at the half.

After that, all hell breaks loose. I make stupid, careless decisions. But mainly the dice turn against me in terrible fashion. Even though I have 11 to his 6 or 7 consistently I can't pick up the ball or make a go for it roll or not get both down results to save my life. The worst is that I have a chance at the end for a tie and I reluctantly go for it, just because I need the space to get away from the dodgy elves... only to (of course) fail it.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Teleku on December 09, 2010, 07:13:21 PM
Well, Modern Angel and I just had the biggest nufflefuck of a match ever.  We both should have easily scored and didn't.  Though after being denied what should have been an easy touchdown, I got one shortly after because of more screwball rolling.  And then there was even more bullshit rolls right to the last play.

Though I finally won a game!  2-1.

And Nuffle hates Wood Elven catchers.  DEEPLY.

Heres the replay:  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41488/files/Replay_2010-12-09_18-10-37.db


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: ezrast on December 09, 2010, 09:43:12 PM
Is there any way to speed up replays so they're not in real time? Half of my replays consist of nothing happening for a minute and then a flurry of activity in the last 30 seconds of each turn. Makes watching them kind of hard.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: IainC on December 09, 2010, 11:34:50 PM
The plus and minus keys adjust the replay speed.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 10, 2010, 12:57:21 AM
Yes, the critical keys for Blood Bowl are

+/-   =  speed up and down replays
SHIFT + G  =  shows the grid
SHIFT + N  =  shows names and/or positions

I am gonna validate Modern Angel vs. Teleku match later today. Thanks for playing and for the prompt replay!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on December 10, 2010, 02:09:09 AM
The plus and minus keys adjust the replay speed.

You sir deserve a gold star.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: avaia on December 10, 2010, 05:45:58 AM
The plus and minus keys adjust the replay speed.

You sir deserve a gold star.

Make it two!  Makes replays watchable.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: eldaec on December 10, 2010, 04:49:52 PM
G and N work fine without shift btw.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 10, 2010, 04:51:34 PM
oh

Gold Star for you too!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Teleku on December 10, 2010, 06:43:19 PM
Ok, can somebody tell me again how we get replays from BBManager?  I cant figure it out..


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 10, 2010, 07:12:55 PM
Under the "Matchs" tab, select our League from the drop down menu, highlight the selected match and then click on the "Replay" button in the upper menu bar, between "Details & Stats" and "Export".


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: eldaec on December 12, 2010, 03:29:29 AM
Replay: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/318368/Replay_2010-12-12_10-24-04.db

Conclusion : IainC must have done something really bad in a past life for karma to be that mad at him.



Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: IainC on December 12, 2010, 03:36:05 AM
Eldaec and I just played our game and once more I ended up on the wrong side of the dice. The first half was fairly solidly contested - a big brawl around the ball that had a few points where either of us could have broken out and scored. The Norse took control and formed their cage then went about breaking Dark Elves before scoring just before the whistle. They did this so well that at the end of the first half, I only had four players on the pitch. When the second half started I failed every single KO roll meaning that I only started with the four players who'd stayed conscious through the first half. I couldn't really contest the ball very well outnumbered 11-4 and Eldaec took full advantage in throwing my players around. He scored again when there were no Dark Elves left on their feet and again I failed every single KO roll. Once more I got mauled by an entirely undamaged Norse team and my one chance to break out and score a consolation TD ended up with my Witch elf getting piled on by half the Norse team. For the final drive I made all of two KO rolls so I actually managed to have 6 players on the pitch. This still didn't help and the final score was 3-0.

I didn't manage to even score a single KO against the Norse let alone any casualties.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: eldaec on December 12, 2010, 03:50:23 AM
And it looks like Falconeer has already been in to roll it all over to Day 7.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on December 12, 2010, 04:17:20 AM
PM Sent to Comstar for the Division 1 Winner.  :drill:  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 12, 2010, 05:36:00 AM
IainC bad luck is beyond ridiculous. I mean, on top of everything else, fumbled pass on turn 1, with an AGI 4 player and a reroll? Double 1, babe. That's how much Nuffle really hates this man. Did you poop on his birthday cake?

P.S: Trying to have your Assassin dodge into a -5 tackle zone, and spending a reroll on it, probably not the best idea. But the fact that he dies trying goes straight back to the previous paragraph.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 12, 2010, 05:52:03 AM
Alright Game Day #7, last one of regular season is ON!

Here's the schedule:

- Group A -

Modern Angel vs. IainC
Llyse vs. Comstar
Ezrast vs. Teleku
- Eldaec BYE



- Group B -

Xuri vs. Ruvaldt
Falconeer vs. Strazos
Proudft vs. Megrim
- Avaia BYE



Scores and Stats coming in a few hours.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 12, 2010, 06:27:08 AM
Game Day #6, Scores and Standings.



Scores:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/6%20scores%20done.jpg)



Standings:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/6%20tables%20done.jpg)



** All relevant info updated in the OP (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283). You can always find up to date Scores and Standings there (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283) **


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 12, 2010, 06:27:57 AM
Player stats:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/6%20players%20done.jpg)





Team stats:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/6%20teams%20done.jpg)



** All relevant info updated in the OP (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283). You can always find up to date Scores and Standings there (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283) **



Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 12, 2010, 06:36:53 AM
We are currently Playing.....
Game Day #7 (of 7)
** All games have to be played BEFORE December 22nd **


Group 1

Team Snoosnoo - (Modern Angel) vs. Spleen Flay Hackers - (IainC)                    4 - 0                          
Alive Not Dead - (Llyse) vs. F13 Catfighters - (Comstar)
6 Pools - (Ezrast) vs. Hazardous Hippies - (Teleku)
- Silver Horde FC - (Eldaec) RESTS


Group 2

North by Northwest - (Xuri) vs. The Denton Despoilers - (Ruvaldt)      
The Bell Jar Utd. - (Falconeer) vs. Diplomatic Immunity - (Strazos)                     0 - 1                                  
Pointy Hat Squad - (Proudft) vs. Morsel - (Megrim)                            
- Necco Waivers - (Avaia) RESTS


** All games have to be played BEFORE December 22nd **

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



** All relevant info updated in the OP (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283). You can always find up to date Scores and Standings there (http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=20008.msg857283#msg857283) **


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on December 12, 2010, 07:34:20 AM
I like how I am doing fairly well, yet hardly rank in any category. :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: avaia on December 12, 2010, 08:31:54 AM
Goooo Strazos and proudft!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: IainC on December 12, 2010, 08:39:54 AM
IainC bad luck is beyond ridiculous. I mean, on top of everything else, fumbled pass on turn 1, with an AGI 4 player and a reroll? Double 1, babe. That's how much Nuffle really hates this man. Did you poop on his birthday cake?

P.S: Trying to have your Assassin dodge into a -5 tackle zone, and spending a reroll on it, probably not the best idea. But the fact that he dies trying goes straight back to the previous paragraph.

I didn't realise it was a -5 tackle zone, I thought it only counted the TZs from the square you were dodging out of (so -2). As I was chatting to Eldaec at the time I didn't have the rolls tab open and I couldn't check it before deciding whether to use the reroll or not. As I thought it was a 4+ and I needed to try and stab up the ball carrier I figured it was a reasonable chance.

I don't think there's been a single game this league where I've had even average dice. This game and the one vs Comstar were particularly bad and all of my opponents have had average or better rolls when it counted.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: eldaec on December 12, 2010, 11:04:36 AM
Afaik, when dodging all that matters about the square you are in is that it has at least one tackle zone - so you need to dodge. The modifier comes only from tackle zones on the square you are dodging into.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on December 12, 2010, 03:13:43 PM
Just finished a knock-down, drag-out match with Falconeers amazons. I received first half, punched the girls a bit, and am running for the endzone at the half...and one of my expert runners falls down and breaks his armor in the endzone.  :ye_gods: That pretty much ended the half.

Second half, I kickoff, and blitz him hard. He cages up, and I manage to stall him a bit. Out of desperation, I run someone into the cage and manage to knock the ball loose. After some more bloody business, I manage to get the ball. This time I run it in without falling down and hurting myself.

1 - 0 win, it was kind of a nail-biter.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on December 12, 2010, 03:31:08 PM
Exciting stuff!!!

So These results means our great League Commissioner Falconeer is out of the play offs  :ye_gods:

So it's now up to

Megrim to beat Proudft with the faulty High Elf Armour to make it into the playoffs. (Booo)  :why_so_serious:

OR

Avaia to pray Megrim loses or draws to make 2nd  :awesome_for_real:

OR

Proudft to win by 6-0 to beat Avaia on TD difference  :drill:

EXCITING STUFF!  :heart:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 12, 2010, 03:31:26 PM
Nothing to report. Blood Bowl sucks.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on December 12, 2010, 03:37:50 PM
So I face Comstar next, right?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on December 12, 2010, 03:39:52 PM
So I face Comstar next, right?

Totally  :why_so_serious:

Actually, since dropbox is blacklisted I can't see the current standings so my calculations aren't accurate...

But I think it's either Avaia or Falcon who are 2nd from Group B since Bloodbowl didn't include Falcon's bye game from Day 1 (from memory)


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 12, 2010, 03:43:51 PM
Dropbox blacklisted? Where the hell do you and Megrim live?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on December 12, 2010, 03:46:06 PM
Today is Trucknutz day as the blitzer went berserk against the Spleen Flay Hackers, scoring three touchdowns in a 4-0 romp by the orc team. It was weird seeing an across the board agility 4 team unable to dodge or pick up the ball while the black orcs had little trouble...


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: IainC on December 12, 2010, 03:49:08 PM
I cemented my position as dead last in the league with a 4-0 thrashing at the hands of Modern Angel. I started off trying to soften him up a bit and quickly realised that there was going to be nothing soft at all about a line of Black Orcs. After that I tried to play a more fluid game, running around him and trying to move the ball around a bit. That kind of play only works however if you can trust your guys not to fail when picking up the ball and not to trip over their feet when dodging out of tackle zones. MA made sure that I had to roll a lot to do anything and, as expected I failed plenty of rolls at critical moments.

I'm playing in a couple of other leagues on another forum and I'm doing alright there against similarly skilled opponents as here. I really don't understand why I've done so badly in this league when it appears that I can play this game reasonably well at other times.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: avaia on December 12, 2010, 04:03:24 PM
Halfway there!  Hard to root for elves, though.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on December 12, 2010, 04:19:24 PM
I really don't understand why I've done so badly in this league when it appears that I can play this game reasonably well at other times.

Nuffle is a fickle god and apt to fits of pique where He withdraws all of his love.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on December 12, 2010, 07:04:55 PM
Okay proudfeet, I'm ready to do this. When are you free? I'm GTM+11 and have a reasonably flexible schedule.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: proudft on December 13, 2010, 10:07:12 AM
GMT-8, nice differential.   :awesome_for_real:

I'm pretty flexible too.  I'll be on Steam for the rest of the day, just chat me up there when you are ready.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: proudft on December 13, 2010, 07:34:32 PM
Let's just say that didn't go well for the high elves.   :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on December 13, 2010, 07:37:12 PM
Pointy Teeth Squad 2 - 0 Pointy Hat Squad

Attrition started taking it's toll on both teams, but it seems I lucked out and Proudft's team fell apart faster.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: avaia on December 13, 2010, 07:40:04 PM
Never trust and elf.  :heartbreak:

Thanks for a great season, I look forward to the next.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 14, 2010, 12:18:07 AM
So, Group B is done: Strazos ranked 1st, and Megrim 2nd.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 14, 2010, 08:23:13 AM
Pointy Teeth Squad 2 - 0 Pointy Hat Squad

Oi!

I need replay of this!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on December 14, 2010, 06:28:56 PM
Okay, emailed. Looking forward to seeing the outcome of the Strazos & Llyse game. Fingers crossed they kill one another!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Comstar on December 15, 2010, 04:49:23 AM
Disaster- Alive Not Dead crashed out just as we started my game vs him - I waited the 5 minutes and got back to lobby to find out his game has crashed- the server gave me the win.

Can you cancel the game so we can replay it Friday night 7pm AEST?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 15, 2010, 05:22:13 AM
Yes I can cancel it. I am doing it now, so you can try again whenever you feel like.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on December 15, 2010, 01:34:10 PM
Apologies for the delay guys.

The match is scheduled this Friday 7pm GMT +11 and I will be restarting everything related to my Victory box to ensure I get to re-enact bad twilight teenage werewolf on vampire action.
 :drill:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 15, 2010, 02:07:03 PM
Everyone play! So we can wrap up this SHITTY tournament and advance to Season 3!

Am I bitter? O am I? AM I?!  :drillf:



Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on December 15, 2010, 06:00:23 PM
Erm, I am confused - who am I supposed to play? I thought I was supposed to play the second-ranked team of division A...?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: proudft on December 15, 2010, 06:25:45 PM
Everyone play! So we can wrap up this SHITTY tournament and advance to Season 3!

WOO SEASON THREE!   :awesome_for_real:

I don't care if I'm 500 TV behind, I'm picking another damn team.   :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on December 15, 2010, 06:41:14 PM
Erm, I am confused - who am I supposed to play? I thought I was supposed to play the second-ranked team of division A...?

Div A hasn't finished yet. Because they are slow. And bad. We have to wait until this round is played out, then onto the semis.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on December 15, 2010, 06:52:48 PM
Erm, I am confused - who am I supposed to play? I thought I was supposed to play the second-ranked team of division A...?

Yep, so if I lose to Comstar you'll play me otherwise you'll get to beat yet another Amazon team into the ground.  :drill:

Are you that eager to get knocked out in the semi's Megrim?  :why_so_serious:

Question, so how does the playoffs get scheduled?

Will blood bowl schedule those matches or does that require another mechanism?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on December 15, 2010, 07:05:21 PM
Ah, I thought Div A finished first.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: ezrast on December 15, 2010, 08:25:35 PM
Going to let Teleku recap this one. My recollection is hazy and diminished by the miasma of tears and desperation, and the the shadows of dark things.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Teleku on December 15, 2010, 08:40:54 PM
Welp, finally had a good game.   :awesome_for_real:

Was up 4-0 by turn 11.  A mixture of some lucky rolls on my side, and a few blunders on Ezrast's side, let me carry it.  Though, of course, since God Hates Elves, by the 2nd half I was down a shit ton of players to knock outs and injuries (BUT NOBODY DIED THIS GAME!  ITS A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE!).  Unable to really defend and forced to try some crazy maneuvers to stop the ball, he rolled me for 2 TD's in the last quarter of the game.

Here's the replay if you want to see some fancy wardancer action (whom scored all 4 TD's):

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41488/files/Replay_2010-12-15_19-08-38.db


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Comstar on December 17, 2010, 01:19:55 AM
A 1-1 draw for the top 2 teams of Group A. The more highly skilled necromantic team controlled the first half after a failed Amazon pass, but got overconfident in the 2nd half, and once they ran out of rerolls first, made several mistakes that resulted in a draw.

However, one of the Amazon star Blitzers with Guard was killed, and another one out for the next game...meaning the Necromantic team is in the box seat for the semi-final and I am expecting them to cruise to victory to get to the Final.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 17, 2010, 03:52:24 AM
All validated!
Send me replay if you haven't yet. Can't wait to see the match.

Only 1 game to go (Xuri vs. Ruvaldt) and then Playoffs, and then Season #3!



Playoff is:

Llyse vs. Megrim
Strazos vs. Comstar


You should all remember that the winnar will get a $20 Steam Gift Certificate  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on December 17, 2010, 05:16:48 PM
Wait, I've been playing for actual prizes this whole? :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 17, 2010, 05:48:04 PM
It has been in the OP all this time. And still is, just under the spoiler tag.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 18, 2010, 06:39:00 AM
I just watched the replay of the Llyse vs. Comstar match and it didn't disappoint. Despite a certain dominance of Llyse's undead, Comstar actually went very close to winning it in the second half (and losing it in the last 2 turns). My comment is that despite the tie, Llyse's team really seems unsinkable. Good development, quick, violent players, 6 wins and 1 tie in regular season, I think he's undeniably the favourite for the final prize at this point.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Sir T on December 18, 2010, 07:38:09 AM
I saw a copy of Blood bowl in the shops yesterday. If I got that could I participate in season 3 or is there a special edition I have to download? (Sorry for threadjack)


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 18, 2010, 08:21:03 AM
No worries about threadjacks at all, especially when they are about participating. Sadly, you need the Legendary Edition. Most of the budget versions you see in stores are Regular Edition, which wouldn't let you play with us. Legenday though is worth every penny, with 20 races (9 in Regular) and plenty other fixes and improvements.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on December 18, 2010, 01:57:31 PM
So who was feeding Llyse this season? :uhrr:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 18, 2010, 02:10:04 PM
Ruvaldt told me there's a chance he and Xuri won't be able to play their final match. We will be waiting until the 21 (included) unless they both officially tell me otherwise, but in the meantime I suggest:

Strazos and Comstar
Megrim and Llyse

to start planning their game for December 22nd. With a bit of luck, we could have out Super(blood)Bowl right before Christmas. But that's up to you. The 9 days rule stays up, no matter what.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on December 18, 2010, 05:10:27 PM
I'm going on travel on the 23rd, not back until at least some point on the 27th, possibly not available until the 28th.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 18, 2010, 05:25:20 PM
There's really no hurry after all. No pressure.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on December 18, 2010, 05:34:02 PM
Ruvaldt told me there's a chance he and Xuri won't be able to play their final match. We will be waiting until the 21 (included) unless they both officially tell me otherwise, but in the meantime I suggest:

Strazos and Comstar
Megrim and Llyse

to start planning their game for December 22nd. With a bit of luck, we could have out Super(blood)Bowl right before Christmas. But that's up to you. The 9 days rule stays up, no matter what.

No pressure Straz, but for everyone else they'll be ablke to see Alive not Dead play Morsel as soon as the the last Division A game is played.  :drill:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Sir T on December 18, 2010, 06:15:38 PM
No worries about threadjacks at all, especially when they are about participating. Sadly, you need the Legendary Edition. Most of the budget versions you see in stores are Regular Edition, which wouldn't let you play with us. Legenday though is worth every penny, with 20 races (9 in Regular) and plenty other fixes and improvements.

Heh. Ok... (checks) oooh its available on impulse. Cha ching!  :woot:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 18, 2010, 07:00:18 PM
Good, Sir T. Get on the Steam f13 Bloodbowlers Group. I'd love to play a "friendly" bloodbath match with you.

P.S: Any reason you got it on Impulse instead of Steam?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Sir T on December 19, 2010, 02:42:46 AM
I haven't got it yet. Due to christmas madness my credit card is maxed till next week.  :oh_i_see:

As for impulse vs steam, I have not had one good experience with steam. I don't like the interface, its too resource heavy and you cant shut it down to free up resources on your machine, and the nail in the coffin was when I has the disk for Supreme Commander 2 and steam still forced me to still download the game. And no there was no option to stop it, I looked, and the only solution given in the official forums was disabling keys in the registry. At best steam is annoying and at worst its maddening. Impulse however has a nice clean interface, its not as resource heavy and you can shut it off once the game is loaded. Plus it doesn't force you to download new patches till you are ready, another 'interesting feature' of steam. However I may use Gamersgate for Bloodbowl for other reasons.

That said if I have to use the steam version to play with you guys (which knowing steam is probably the case) I'll get it from steam.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on December 19, 2010, 02:47:44 AM
As long as it's Legendary edition, it doesn't matter where you bought it.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 19, 2010, 04:19:33 AM
Ruvaldt had to concede his game with Xuri due to being out for the holidays and not having access to a computer that lets him play the game. I advanced the game to the Playoffs, and as of now you can all play your semi-finals games!



Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Comstar on December 19, 2010, 05:47:39 AM
Eeek, the only thing worse than a Dwarf team with nothing but tackle would be a Norse team with nothing but tackle!

The Amazon's will start the game 1 girl down. Though I got a +1AG linesman, my new+1ST Blitzer is out injured. One my other blitzes was killed ikn the game vs the Necromantic's and the team with all block has more players than the team with all dodge.

If I could bet on the outcome of this semi-final, I'd put money on the Norse team.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on December 19, 2010, 07:26:17 AM
BB Manager says I threw 80 blocks in my last game, so we'll see how the blocking game works out this go-round.

Also, I need to fatten up my Norsemen for the finals - need that SPP!  :grin:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 20, 2010, 11:01:10 PM
Hello everyone, what's up? No playoffs?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on December 21, 2010, 12:44:36 AM
Llyse and I are planning on playing tonight or tomorrow. Don't worry, I will try to feed him as little as possible  :grin:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on December 21, 2010, 02:04:08 AM
Playoff match 1 starts in 24 minutes.  :drill:

Edit: Game played. Awesome match. Replay emailed.

Someone else can upload it to dropbox etc...

EDIT: Don't read the post below if you wish to avoid SPOILERS

No pressure Strazsos!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on December 21, 2010, 04:43:37 AM

Small writeup spoilered for those that want to watch rep before knowing the result.




Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on December 21, 2010, 04:15:15 PM
I think Comstar and I were supposed to play tonight...


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on December 21, 2010, 04:17:08 PM
I think Comstar and I were supposed to play tonight...

Hmmmm, Aus Time difference... He might be an hour late... He's GMT +11


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on December 21, 2010, 04:18:03 PM
Well, I left the calculations to him, but I'm sure we'll get it done soon enough.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: HaemishM on December 22, 2010, 08:42:21 AM
When you guys start a new season, I'd like to get in on it if I can.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 22, 2010, 12:08:07 PM
Where is Comstar? If I got this right, Strazos has been stood up, which could result in an automatic win for him if he doesn't at least get an explanation soon, or they clear up the misunderstanding if that is the case. Actually, I am sure it has been a misunderstanding, so please let us know what is going on. Let's not fail 2 games from the conclusion!

And Haemish, of course you can play! Everyone can, and the more the merrier. Season 3 will realistically be starting around the 3rd week of January. A new "recruitment" post will be made, and signing up will be super easy.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ingmar on December 22, 2010, 12:13:37 PM
I should be able to jump in next season. (I hope you like dwarves!  :why_so_serious:)


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: avaia on December 22, 2010, 01:11:50 PM
So... season 3.  All new teams, or is there carryover? 


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 22, 2010, 01:20:12 PM
All new teams.

I was thinking of doing a parallel "Master League" with carryover teams, maybe less obsessed forum coverage, no prizes, and more flexible schedules. We'll see if there's any interest in that. But I won't allow anyone in the "Master League" unless they have a team in the regular Season #3 anyway, to prevent people from choosing the less important one (Master) over the main one (Season 3) and  hurting it.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on December 22, 2010, 01:29:29 PM
Sign me up for more 6am matches  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: eldaec on December 22, 2010, 01:40:47 PM
It'd be a shame not to do anything with the teams buit this season - I'm certainly not lowering the Silver Horde to joining the Naggaroth Open.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Comstar on December 22, 2010, 02:20:23 PM
Wait what?

I thought I told him I'd be playing right now - 10am Melbourne time. I was in game lobby all yesterday morning thinking it was then too.

 I'm in the lobby waiting right now.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: eldaec on December 22, 2010, 02:28:46 PM
All blood bowl games should be scheduled in EVE time tbh.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on December 22, 2010, 03:35:19 PM
I thought we agreed on 11am your time, 7 pm my time.

I was on around 6 yesterday anyway, but I didn't see you on steam; it showed you as being offline for 1 day.  :|

Also, I do not/not want to win/lose by forfeit, personally.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on December 22, 2010, 04:00:40 PM
I too do not want Comstar/Strazsos win/lose by forfeit.

Please ensure the other Grand Finalist is battered and beaten for Calvin and Hobbes to feed on  :drill:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Teleku on December 22, 2010, 04:14:30 PM
Awww, I hope we can do something with our current teams.  I managed to level up a bunch of players the last 2 games of the season, after going the whole season with everybody at level 1.  My teams actually ready to play for real now!   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on December 22, 2010, 05:05:03 PM
All new teams.

I was thinking of doing a parallel "Master League" with carryover teams, maybe less obsessed forum coverage, no prizes, and more flexible schedules. We'll see if there's any interest in that. But I won't allow anyone in the "Master League" unless they have a team in the regular Season #3 anyway, to prevent people from choosing the less important one (Master) over the main one (Season 3) and  hurting it.

Why wipe the slate? Let people who want to keep their teams play them, and anyone who wants to re-roll a fresh squad can as well. What's the problem? The scheduling so far has been fine, the forum coverage has been fine and the participation has been fine. The prize is a nice added bonus which I don't think we necessarily need to have, but apart from that I think this league has been very good. And if you split the whole deal into two leagues, knowing the adhd nature of these forums, it will probably do more harm then good.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Comstar on December 22, 2010, 05:17:05 PM
Holy shit.

I mean, holy shit.

That was epic.

Amazons making 4 dodges in 6 tackle zones.  Berserkers rolling triple skulls. 4 girls holding up an entire 11 man team and knocking out the ball carrier in the end zone before getting knocked down and the Norse scoring in the last turn of the 2nd half. Another Amazon star player DEAD,  and another one out for the next game.

Game went into extra time, and the Amazons win 2-1 in the last turn of overtime. Watch the replay, I've never played such a match.  

For the proper atmosphere, have the music from Star Wars in the death star trench run running, as the last Amazon ball carrier makes her run for the end zone with 3 Hulking Norse Blitzers coming up behind her as the last desperate and lightly armoured Amazon team mates try and slow them down. Keep an eye on my comments as the Norse close in.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on December 22, 2010, 05:22:45 PM
1st and 2nd place are now between Amazon & Necromantic.

3rd and 4th place are now between Norse and Vampire.


Place your bets ladies and nerds!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 22, 2010, 06:44:36 PM
So late so I am running to bed and more comments tomorrow. I validated the match, so the BIG FINAL is on whenever you feel like it:

Llyse vs. Comstar   (again)

Sadly, and as in the NFL or the UEFA Champions League, there's no 3rd and 4th place final. The system doesn't allow it. Sorry  :uhrr:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 22, 2010, 06:49:32 PM
Temporarily putting the replays here for whiever wants to watch it as I don't have the time to upload them to BBManager now.

Sefinal #1 - Llyse vs. Megrim (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/Llyse%20Megrim%20Replay_2010-12-21_22-02-26.db)

Semifinal #2 - Strazos vs. Comstar (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/Comstar%20Strazos%20Replay_2010-12-23_10-48-47.db)


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on December 22, 2010, 07:01:17 PM
So...wow. Folks may want to watch this one...



Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on December 22, 2010, 07:05:39 PM
So...wow. Folks may want to watch this one...
Watching this game will be my highlight tonight.

Congratulations Comstar and Bad luck Straz.

I know from experience Comstar has mad dodge dice rolling skillz.  :ye_gods:

Time to ramp it up!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: lamaros on December 22, 2010, 07:13:09 PM
Sorry to derail. But I find this thread and game really interesting. However I have NFI about NFL or anything, being Australian. Will I still be able to get into the game and enjoy it? Tempted to pick it up for season two.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on December 22, 2010, 07:26:07 PM
Being a fellow Australian that didn't really care about NFL until a year ago I'd say yes.

The game is quite simple and is almost as related to NFL/GridIron as it is to any tactical/boardgames.

If you're a big fan of theorycrafting/dice/leveling/persistent character development/luck/boardgame squares manuevers this is it.

You'll have no problem getting practice matches with f13 members to get use to the game.

I think I saw the original Blood Bowl for $15 at EB.

With the Original Blood Bowl game code you get a 33% discount on Legendary so it comes out to almost the same amount (You'll need Legendary to play in the f13 league anyway)...

So you could give it a test drive that way...

DO NOT under any circumstances play it in real time (It's called Blitz mode).

I haven't tried but I heard it's frustrating.

Simply put forward passes are legal and so is killing your opponent but killing the opposing team does not guarantee victory on the scoreboard.

Edit: Typing is hard.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Kail on December 22, 2010, 07:47:01 PM
DO NOT under any circumstances play it in real time (It's called Blitz mode).

I haven't tried but I heard it's frustrating.

Blitz mode is different from real-time.  Real-time is an option you can do in blitz mode, but you can play Blitz in turn based mode too, and there's a bunch of other minor changes (like doping and equipment upgrades and sponsorship money and so on) which you can do in blitz but not normal (or in the tabletop BB rules).

I don't know that I'd say real-time is frustrating, but it's definitely weird, and I don't think it would work for a multiplayer game well.  It's WAY bashier than the turn based mode, and games can get a bit retarded at times, but it's simple, brainless fun if you're playing against the CPU.



Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ruvaldt on December 23, 2010, 01:19:52 AM
Great game Strazos and Comstar.  I thoroughly enjoyed that replay.

Eagerly awaiting the Season 2 championship match.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 23, 2010, 03:49:38 AM
All new teams.

I was thinking of doing a parallel "Master League" with carryover teams, maybe less obsessed forum coverage, no prizes, and more flexible schedules. We'll see if there's any interest in that. But I won't allow anyone in the "Master League" unless they have a team in the regular Season #3 anyway, to prevent people from choosing the less important one (Master) over the main one (Season 3) and  hurting it.

Why wipe the slate? Let people who want to keep their teams play them, and anyone who wants to re-roll a fresh squad can as well. What's the problem? The scheduling so far has been fine, the forum coverage has been fine and the participation has been fine. The prize is a nice added bonus which I don't think we necessarily need to have, but apart from that I think this league has been very good. And if you split the whole deal into two leagues, knowing the adhd nature of these forums, it will probably do more harm then good.

I see your points Megrim, and honestly nothing is good like keeping your team. But let's face it... how fair it is for new participants to face older, more experienced teams? Inducements don't even start filling the gap and while it sounds OK now that you will eventually lose with stronger older teams but then eventually you'll be better in Season #4, in practice it can be really frustrating to have these matches where you only have to limit our losses cause you are playing vs. a more experienced Player AND Team. That would, to me, very easily thwart new entrants enthusiasm pretty quick, and would still feel kind of unfair to anyone who is just guilty of not participating in the earlier season. Finally, IainC and Modern Angel had a horrible Season #2, but would have been the same if they played with their Season #1 teams? As the rule for S#2 was "all new teams", same should be for S#3 I think.

That said, I'm basically an anarchist who hates hierarchies, so we'll vote on the topic among all the participants, ok?

We can still keep the older teams, as I said, for a parallel "XP League" for all those who are interested, so they wouldn't be lost anyway.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Comstar on December 23, 2010, 04:55:59 AM
Run Season #3 with new teams, if/when we get to Season #4 (or 5) we might have so many coaches with built teams we can run everyone's experienced team by then. The coach's with 2 teams get an advantage in that they can pick which of their 2 teams they want to import.

Also, look at what happened in my last 2 games- I had to play to the limit to draw or win in overtime a team only 180 points above me and I ended the last game with 3 players standing (and the final starts with my team 2-3 players down from the opposition and another 180 point difference).  I'd hate to play a team of noobs vs a team with nearly everyone having 1 to 3 extra skills or stats on every player. It's not fair and it's not fun, even with inducements (unless you're playing a halfling or goblin comedy team).

Start the next season and the new year with new teams.



Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on December 23, 2010, 05:54:17 AM
I'm way way way more interested in carryover teams. I like the idea of star players with long careers, heated rivalries, dynasties, perennial basement dwellers... half the reason I fell in love with this game when I was 12 were the stories of the GW lore league. You can't have that when you reset constantly. Obviously, some folks would want to scratch their teams and restart, maybe even people with awesome teams. That's completely their right. But I really would like to see carryover.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 23, 2010, 06:19:49 AM
Ok so we have 2 votes for carryovers, and 2 votes against carryovers. Keep voting! New participants should vote too, so Haemish, Lamaros, Ingmar, Sir T and the likes. Their vote will be deleted should they not sign up for the real thing when it comes up.

As I said, with my proposal there would be life for carryover teams anyway, with the parallel "XP League" which can easily work on a 14 days basis instead of the regular S#3 usual 9 days, giving everyone a little more Blood Bowl for those who want to play more without having to commit too much anyway.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on December 23, 2010, 06:21:07 AM
All new teams.

I was thinking of doing a parallel "Master League" with carryover teams, maybe less obsessed forum coverage, no prizes, and more flexible schedules. We'll see if there's any interest in that. But I won't allow anyone in the "Master League" unless they have a team in the regular Season #3 anyway, to prevent people from choosing the less important one (Master) over the main one (Season 3) and  hurting it.

Why wipe the slate? Let people who want to keep their teams play them, and anyone who wants to re-roll a fresh squad can as well. What's the problem? The scheduling so far has been fine, the forum coverage has been fine and the participation has been fine. The prize is a nice added bonus which I don't think we necessarily need to have, but apart from that I think this league has been very good. And if you split the whole deal into two leagues, knowing the adhd nature of these forums, it will probably do more harm then good.

I see your points Megrim, and honestly nothing is good like keeping your team. But let's face it... how fair it is for new participants to face older, more experienced teams? Inducements don't even start filling the gap and while it sounds OK now that you will eventually lose with stronger older teams but then eventually you'll be better in Season #4, in practice it can be really frustrating to have these matches where you only have to limit our losses cause you are playing vs. a more experienced Player AND Team. That would, to me, very easily thwart new entrants enthusiasm pretty quick, and would still feel kind of unfair to anyone who is just guilty of not participating in the earlier season. Finally, IainC and Modern Angel had a horrible Season #2, but would have been the same if they played with their Season #1 teams? As the rule for S#2 was "all new teams", same should be for S#3 I think.

That said, I'm basically an anarchist who hates hierarchies, so we'll vote on the topic among all the participants, ok?

We can still keep the older teams, as I said, for a parallel "XP League" for all those who are interested, so they wouldn't be lost anyway.

Yeeeea... actually Inducements cover this very well. As in: "I play in a 50+player league which uses this system and Inducements cover the difference between established teams and new teams very well". Take this as coming from someone who's played at 900+ tv down against Bashy teams, and done just fine. If you (or other people) are so deathly afraid of having to face someone a few hundred tv up, run a mini-tourney for newbie teams before the main one, so that people can get a bit of xp under their belts, then mix everyone together. Furthermore, you have to remember that some teams are designed to peak earlier then other ones. It's not a matter of "if I'm not at xyz tv vs a particular team, I can't win". Dwarf v Amazon at any tv is going to be deliriously hard for the 'zons, while a 100tv Undead team with Inducements vs a 150 Norse is
actually almost in favour of the UD.

I'm arguing this, because I see what you are saying, and practical experience is telling me that it doesn't work that way. It's not fun for a new team to face a well developed one? Doesn't that depend on whom you ask? What about the legendary victories pulled off, in massive underdog vs overdog matches (hell, for example the Straz v Com one. I don't think many people were honestly expecting Comstar to win that. And yet he did.) As far as a few people having bad runs? Er, so? It could have happened to anyone else, or it could have been no-one, or it could have been everyone bar like one person. It's a dice-based game, of course someone is going to get screwed.

Having said this though, ultimately I don't care as long as you don't continuously restart the league (because that's just stupid) - so you'll probably be doing the right thing by asking for everyone's opinion.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Comstar on December 23, 2010, 07:10:12 AM
Arn't there rules on making really high value teams cost a lot of money to run? Meaning you end up spending all your gains on keeping your top players and having to dump others because you can't afford a 3000-all-star-all-skilled team?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 23, 2010, 07:19:26 AM
Yes Comstar, spiraling expenses.

And I see your points even better, Megrim. I just would be sad if new Players decided not to participate because of the TV difference. Or just miss the fun and leave the League after a few catastrophic losses. We need and want new players.

Anyway, it's up for votes. I'll bow down to the majority's decision.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on December 23, 2010, 07:21:04 AM
Yes. And there should absolutely be some sort of cap. I'm at the doctor currently so I'm pulling a random number out of my ass but 2k max value or something at the start of the season. You could obviously go over during the course of a season but no starting higher than the arbitrary cap.

Wanted to add that I agree with the no two leagues thing. The rapidity works well here with what we have going. I'd be very disappointed if it ends up new teams only (very) but I'd be way more disappointed if the enthusiasm gets diluted over two leagues. I mean, if we did with a new team league and a legacy league I'd absolutely be more excited about the legacy games. If the prize is the issue, since it's real money, scrap it; it's awesome that you did it but I honestly wasn't even aware of it until this past week. I just love BB.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 23, 2010, 07:30:20 AM
The prize is absolutely not the issue. The prize is a silly thing, but I like that the winner gets a symbolic representation of the win. I think the best prize ever would be a related forum grief title, but that's just me.

And just to be clear, I do NOT want to leave my Feminist team. I was just looking for the healthier solution for the League and ensure the widest participation possible


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on December 23, 2010, 07:40:55 AM
I don't think, in actual play, it's going to be too bad. You assume that with new players and, say, a quarter of the old owners making new teams there's plenty of new blood fighting each other. As Megrim said, inducements can and do matter with team makeup mattering more than anything else. Certainly, there's a tipping point where a super high value team versus a low team will matter but I don't think we're in any danger of hitting that in any season with a smart cap. I'd also point out that TV doesn't automatically mean good record even in our league with all new teams.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: avaia on December 23, 2010, 07:58:49 AM
I think it would be best to have everyone start fresh.  Yes, inducements work well and all that, but things get a little weird with having to worry about wizards and all that jazz.  For simplicity's sake, and for the sake of drawing in and keeping new players, all new teams would work better here.  The more coaches, the better.

I really dig my necro team, even though I hadn't played them before the first match (painful lesson learned, try out your team before playing in league with them).  I'd love to keep playing them, but I definitely think new teams would work out best.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: proudft on December 23, 2010, 08:35:55 AM
My vote is for continuing teams, though I myself will probably start a new team and regret my vote when I run into a 1500 team.   :grin:

But I like the star players and wizards and crap and that means they'll actually show up.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Teleku on December 23, 2010, 09:33:55 AM
I'd like to carry over my team, but I actually like the idea of doing it for a season 4.  Get new teams for everybody in season 3, along with lots of new people.  I think by the time season 4 rolls around, most people who were interested in playing will have played in 1 of the 2 seasons, and we wont have many new volunteers.  So then everybody picks one team they want, and we make season 4 the XP season.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on December 23, 2010, 09:53:30 AM
I think that's a reasonable compromise solution here. I'd like to suggest the following:

1) New teams for season three.
2) Carryover in future seasons
3) Cap of TV 2000 for the beginning of a season (1750 may be better; discuss). Nobody with the cap or higher at the start gets in and will have to float a new team. Going over the cap during the season isn't a problem
4) Figure out a good spiralling costs sum
5) People are free to retire a team at the beginning of any future season in favor of a new one.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: avaia on December 23, 2010, 10:07:01 AM
Steam has Blood Bowl Legendary on sale RIGHT NOW for 50% off, 19.99 USD.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 23, 2010, 10:26:03 AM
That is true and awesome! http://store.steampowered.com/app/58520/


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Comstar on December 23, 2010, 10:44:24 AM
1) New teams for season three.
2) Carryover in future seasons
3) Cap of TV 2000 for the beginning of a season (1750 may be better; discuss). Nobody with the cap or higher at the start gets in and will have to float a new team. Going over the cap during the season isn't a problem
4) Figure out a good spiralling costs sum
5) People are free to retire a team at the beginning of any future season in favor of a new one.

I like this idea. Set the cap at 1750, I think most players end up having 2-4 skills each at that level?

Buy this game now folks, it's my multiplayer game of the year (not including MMO of the year, which is Eve Online- Goonswarm Federation edition only).


In final game news, it may be run later tonight Christmas Eve, otherwise it may not happen till Sunday Night or even next week. It should defiantly occur before New Years. Maybe have the next season start 1st of the Year?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on December 23, 2010, 01:13:34 PM
I think that's a reasonable compromise solution here. I'd like to suggest the following:

1) New teams for season three.
2) Carryover in future seasons
3) Cap of TV 2000 for the beginning of a season (1750 may be better; discuss). Nobody with the cap or higher at the start gets in and will have to float a new team. Going over the cap during the season isn't a problem
4) Figure out a good spiralling costs sum
5) People are free to retire a team at the beginning of any future season in favor of a new one.

One problem with the third point is that you also have to remember that different teams scale differently. Some can sit at reasonably low to medium tvs and play just fine, while others want (or can't help but) climb higher. Off the top of my head, Chaos and Dark Elves respectively. DE just skyrockets in tv after a time because their players are expensive and don't start at all skilled in the bread and butter stuff. Chaos on the other hand, doesn't even begin to be relevant until about 150, and wants to be over 2k just because that's when they finally start being able to play, say, "as good as" an equilevel Ork team.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 23, 2010, 02:11:07 PM
Not sure it's feasible within the game/League creation mechanisms, but what about two Divisions (not sure of the North American name) with relegations and promotions. All old teams will be in Division 1. All new teams will be in Division 2. The regular season will determine promotions and relegations (first two of Div 2 advances to Div 1, last two of Div 1 go down in Div 2), but the first 4 teams of each division will play in the Playoffs against each other.

This way, newer teams from Div 2 will have enough time to get better before playing the most powerful S#2 Div 1 Teams, and the whole relegations/promotions mechanism seems cooler than a bland, unspecific Group A / Group B gimmick. Sure, chances are by the time the season hits the playoffs the older teams will be even more powerful, but the gap would be smaller, the new coaches will be more experienced and the chance for epic upsets will be even more awesome.

What do you all think?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on December 23, 2010, 02:25:13 PM
On team value cap, there's not much way to work it other than a hard cap if you put a cap in at all. I'll note that it's a very common mechanic to use in real life leagues and Cyanide uses it in their big virtual leagues, as well. If Chaos doesn't roll until higher TV... tough. It's fairly implicit in the game that it's not the most balanced thing in the world. I think that's a good argument for bumping a prospective cap to 2000 instead of 1750, though.

On the two divisions, relegation, etc. not a fan. It sounds good on paper but it's a flawed argument. The argument is that new teams/players start off at too large a disadvantage to compete. If the top two teams of the "new team" division get playoff spots while the third and fourth of the "old team" division do not that's hardly fair due to the presumption (which I don't agree with) that new teams are automatically free wins for old teams.

I'd propose one of two things, instead, if keeping things balanced is a priority.

1) Organize by TV but make it a mixture. So it would go:

Division A

Highest TV
Third Highest TV
Fifth Highest TV
etc

Division B

Second Highest TV
Fourth Highest TV
Sixth Highest TV
etc


2) Do the same organization but do it by the prior season's final standings rather than TV. In case of a tie or new team alphabetical. I prefer the second because it accounts for good coaching in theory and you would have the prior season's division winners split evenly. Should prove a better setup than the theoretical situation where the highest TV is 1990 while second highest is 1400.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on December 23, 2010, 03:32:57 PM
Down for whatever. I just wish you could change how OT works so that it works like an actual OT.

Not that I'm bitter or anything.  :grin:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on December 23, 2010, 03:44:53 PM
Down for whatever just to make Falconeer's job more difficult  :why_so_serious:

Since you're not bitter Straz... Any tips on playing Com?  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Strazos on December 23, 2010, 03:55:01 PM
1) Win the coin flip
2) Punch his Amazons in the face
3) Win


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Azazel on December 23, 2010, 04:47:54 PM
Non-League question - can anyone point me to a support email for the original edition of Blood Bowl? Limited (3?) Activations + it being installed on both my machine and my wife's + my wife's machine and then my one dying = I'm fucked, since I can't rescind them. The Cyanide page tells me to fuck off to the game site, and the game site is a fucking mess with no support to be seen...


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 23, 2010, 04:54:17 PM
I had the same problem Azazel. Identical.
I wrote a very pissed off email to support@bloodbowl-game.com and they fixed it in less than 24 hours. But that was more than 1 year ago, before even Dark Elves edition came out. It shouldn't make a difference... unless they want to corner you into buying the Legendary Edition.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Azazel on December 23, 2010, 05:29:35 PM
Thanks for that, Falc. The goodwill for fixing it up is much more likely to get me to buy the Legendary edition than the badwill for not doing so, though, so I'd hope they are helpful. I'd guess it won't be 24 hours though, considering the specific timeframe we're in right now, but first week of Jan would be acceptable under the circumstances.



Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Megrim on December 23, 2010, 10:50:52 PM
On team value cap, there's not much way to work it other than a hard cap if you put a cap in at all. I'll note that it's a very common mechanic to use in real life leagues and Cyanide uses it in their big virtual leagues, as well. If Chaos doesn't roll until higher TV... tough. It's fairly implicit in the game that it's not the most balanced thing in the world. I think that's a good argument for bumping a prospective cap to 2000 instead of 1750, though.

On the two divisions, relegation, etc. not a fan. It sounds good on paper but it's a flawed argument. The argument is that new teams/players start off at too large a disadvantage to compete. If the top two teams of the "new team" division get playoff spots while the third and fourth of the "old team" division do not that's hardly fair due to the presumption (which I don't agree with) that new teams are automatically free wins for old teams.

I'd propose one of two things, instead, if keeping things balanced is a priority.

1) Organize by TV but make it a mixture. So it would go:

Division A

Highest TV
Third Highest TV
Fifth Highest TV
etc

Division B

Second Highest TV
Fourth Highest TV
Sixth Highest TV
etc


2) Do the same organization but do it by the prior season's final standings rather than TV. In case of a tie or new team alphabetical. I prefer the second because it accounts for good coaching in theory and you would have the prior season's division winners split evenly. Should prove a better setup than the theoretical situation where the highest TV is 1990 while second highest is 1400.

Team value is not a rating scale for teams. It is one of the ways in which team growth is reflected. Team value is not a balancing scale for teams. It is one of the ways in which team growth is reflected.

You are making up a whole bunch of completely unnecessary house-rules for no reason. Why would you cap at a specific tv rating? Spiraling expenses already hammer people who go past 200, and unless they can win consistently (and big) they will have to cut players on their own, just to keep something in the bank. As far as shuffling divisions around based on who is valued what? That's just retarded.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 23, 2010, 11:33:58 PM
I disagree that Spiraling Expenses and Inducements are enough to guarantee everyone's fun. I am more than ready to accept any decision a fair amount of us can agree on, but I think it's important that we come up with more ideas and possibilities before just choosing between "simplistic solution #1" or "simplistic solution #2". They might end up being the best ones, but there's nothing wrong or retarded in brainstorming a bit about it.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ingmar on December 24, 2010, 12:05:53 AM
Don't mind playing against carryover teams personally.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Ruvaldt on December 24, 2010, 12:13:24 AM
I liked Falconeer's original proposal of a kind of legacy league in which teams from the various seasons could be imported and live on while retaining the relative purity of the current setup in a resetting seasonal league.  I like it for many reasons, but above all I prefer it because it simply allows me to play more Blood Bowl.  Seriously, if I am given the option of playing in one awesome league or two awesome leagues I'll choose two awesome leagues every day of the week.

I'll play regardless though. 

No matter what is decided, however, I suggest we reset the teams for Season 3 simply because this was never discussed, and thus no one was given the ability to plan accordingly during this season.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Llyse on December 24, 2010, 02:51:25 AM
Great match went into overtime, definitely still lots to learn about blood bowl :D




Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Comstar on December 24, 2010, 02:53:03 AM
And the winner, season 2 of the F13 League is.

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F13 CATFIGHTERS! The Amazons WIN!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Falconeer on December 24, 2010, 03:01:16 AM
Congrats!

More to follow.

In the meantime, here's the replay for everyone to watch!


>>SuperBlowl I - Comstar's F13 Catfighters vs. Llyse's Alive Not Dead (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3584773/SuperBlowl%20I%20-%20Comstar%20vs%20Llyse.db) (download Replay link)<<


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Comstar on December 24, 2010, 04:17:53 AM
Before the match started, one of the Amazon Assistant Coaches was fired for failing to provide rerolls. This also meant the Girls were able to afford another keg of Bugman's finest, along with some extra team training before the big match.

The Necromantic team Alive not Dead was defiantly the favourites - over 200 points ahead and with 13 players facing only 10 plus a merc. The previous game had ended in a draw, so this was a grudge match.

The Undead team won the toss and choose to kick off, which was fine by me. I knew I needed a touchdown quickly before half my team would end up off the field in the injury box (which was prophetic!). AnD set up in a defensive formation, with strong players on  both flanks, and a weak centre.

The game starts with a Riot and the ref puts the clock ahead 1 turn!

The Amazons pick up the ball and knock down the front rank zombies. With a Strong flank on either side, I decide to wait and form up a small loose box in the middies of the pitch to see what develops. AnD starts off powerfully by injuring one of the lineswomen in their very first block. Teams are now 13 to 10 and its not even the end of the first turn! However, with no obvious attack route, the AnD team plays defensively and moves one of the star werewolves into reserve.

The Amazons start to push into the middle, but then one of their blitzers trips over from an attempted dodge, leaving the ball carrier still next too a huge hulking flesh Golum! Unfortunately, his block only results in a pushback on the more agile Amazon.  A blitz by a werewolf only results in more pushbacks - note I made a mistake by choosing to go backwards and not away from an extra assist. A ghoul then shows why men can't dodge and stuns himself.

The ball gets handed off to a Amazon blitzer who makes a long run with 2 GFI's towards the end zone, and only 1 or two of the faster undead close enough to stop her, as they are either still on the flanks or in the Amazon's half. One of ones that can reach here is a werewolf on the right flank, so he gets pushed into a sidezone. it's only 3 squares to a touchdown in turn 3!

The AnD team sends up one werewolf to get a tackle, but needs to move the other one into a tacklezone first before it can dodge out. It fails. Should have moved a Wright instead, or tried a 1 dice block with the Werewolf. The Amazons get a 2nd girl up to the end and stuns the werewolf, and moves to the corner of the field, to help run out time before going for the TD. Most of the fast nerco players are on the wrong side of the field now. A Wright punches his way closer, but then falls over in the first GFI.

TOUCHDOWN in turn  6 to the Amazons 1-0.

The kick goes to a quicksnap, which is the best option for the AnD team to get a 3 turn touchdown. A werewolf punches a hole in the outnumbered Amazon team and is placed for a catch position for the ghoul ball carrier placed in a cage...but the werewolf is himself isolated and gets knocked down. However, the rest of the Amazons aren't in a position to do much except try and slow the undead down. with ghoul moves into a loose cage (and the 2nd ghoul is seemingly forgotten about at the far end of the pitch).

The Amazons move into position to stop the potential catches, and then a single blitzer makes 3 dodge rolls and a 1 dice block to knock down the ghoul ball carrier! The ball bounces between 5 people before it ends on the ground in the middle of a scrum. the nerco's then spend more time hitting people rather than going for the ball...before a ghoul runs uip, grabs the ball..and falls over on a GFI before he can make a difficult pass.  1st half is over, Amazons leader 1-0.

The 2nd half opens with several Amazons ending up face down on the pitch and one KO'ed, and another foul causing the star +1 St blitzer to be badly hurt! I should have used my apoc on her, but I thought it was the merc.

A werewolf is isolated again in the Amazons half and gets knocked down, but otherwise they fall back to form a defensible position. I need to play some space for time and try and hold them off till I see a advantage to take. The necors take a strong position in the centre of the pitch, but then get a zombie sent off for rough play! A failed Amazon dodge causes the necro team to advance their cage 2 squares.  

Another Amazon (the merc ironically) gets fouled but this one gets saved by the apoc.  I cant do much more than get a single tackle on the ball carrier and reform the defence line.  Another Amazon blitzer is KO'd but the ball only moved forward one square. At this rate the necros wont reach the TD zone till 4 turns too late.

However, the cage has broken up, and a Amazon makes 3 dodges in  tacklezones to get a 1 dice block on the ghoul ball carrier! Unfortunately, even with a reroll, it only ends in a push back. The ball carrier moves forward yet another 2 squares and now nothing could stand in his way...

Except yet ANOTHER Amazon stands up, dodges out of a tacklezone, and this time the ghoul goes down along with the attacker! A werewolf grabs the ball and is only 2 squares from a TD!

The zombie dirty player tried a foul and is sent off, but now there's only 2 girls in front of the werwolf ball carrier and a TD! One of them stands up, dodges out of 2 zones, and gets a push back.

Using sidestep, the Amazon catches throws herself into a blocking position face down on the ground, and the necros move a flesh goloum..now blocking the way to a easy TD for the werewolf with the ball!

But the werewolf dodges out himself, and gets a hand off to a ghoul in the end zone- the score 1-1 in turn 16 so the games going into overtime!

Its 7 girls vs 11 necros. and things go bad for the girls when the thrower stuns herself on a GFI! A werewolf punches a hole and a ghoul goes for an easy pickup....which he fails!

 A catcher runs out and runs as far as she can towards the end zone...but that only 3 squares away from the necros and 10 squares away from the touchdown zone line!

Fortune facors the brave. The nerco's surround the Amazon ball carrier on 3 sides, and a  werewolf changes up....and because the catcher has sidestep, PUSHES HER CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE END ZONE FOR A TD! if the werewolf hadn't frenzied, the TD would have been impossible. She dodges out easily and scores a Touch Down! The score is 2-1!

AnD have 2 turns to make the score level. A ghoul picks up the ball and 3 nrcros are placed to get a TD if thown the ball, but all pof them are isolated from each other.

The desperate Amazon defenders fall back to hold them off, but one brave girl gets up and knocks over the ball carrier after the inevitable dodge rolls!

However, the nexro team still numbered the grls 2-1 and grabs the ball...runs down to the unmarked Blitzer...and fails to hand off the ball. The Amazons pick up he ball and dance around the pitch, for a 2-1 victory!

Star of the match for me is my Catches - the sidestep really won the game for me. For the necro's the werewolves did everything, and came close to winning the game single-handed.


Lessons on how to win blood bowl, from he season winner:
- Buy more team rerolls. 3 is not enough. 4 is ok if you get the leader skill.
- EYES ON THE BALL. You should ALWAYS be aiming for the ball. If you can grab it, do it. If you need to hit someone, get a 2D block, or a 1D block, or even just a tacklezone on him. Make the other team do something to get away. Always put pressure on the ball. If you need to pick up the ball, move someone to cover it, and pick it up before doing anything else.
- Move the zero risk players first, then the low risk ones who can go for the ball, then ones who can do stuff, then the high risk ones.
- Don't do blocks first if they don't matter to who ends up with the ball.
- Don't get cocky - that Troll might roll 3 dice skulls, or that +2 hand off with a reroll can fail. And a GFI with a reroll ALWAYS fails when you need it.
- Try and keep 1 player as a reserve to handle disasters or opportunities.
- Dodge away if you can, to force less blocks.
- if its crazy and it works, its not crazy. Just do other less crazy things first.
- There is always a way!
- The easy way is not easy if you ran out of rerolls.
- Nuffle is a bitch.

See you next Season!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: Modern Angel on December 24, 2010, 05:52:35 AM
Team value is not a rating scale for teams. It is one of the ways in which team growth is reflected. Team value is not a balancing scale for teams. It is one of the ways in which team growth is reflected.

You are making up a whole bunch of completely unnecessary house-rules for no reason. Why would you cap at a specific tv rating? Spiraling expenses already hammer people who go past 200, and unless they can win consistently (and big) they will have to cut players on their own, just to keep something in the bank. As far as shuffling divisions around based on who is valued what? That's just retarded.

I understand all that about TV. I'm in agreement with you that it's not a big deal. Other people aren't. I'm trying to come up with some sort of compromise solution to assuage people's fears that their new team is going to be fodder for the fattened old teams and you'd better start to do the same or it's new teams each year. I really, really don't want that to happen. A cap is a common solution to the exact issue we're facing.

I offered the value shuffle up as an on the fly thing in my head. Sorry it's retarded. Is the shuffling of divisions based on prior season record retarded too or does this meet your approval? It's good enough for the NFL who base their scheduling of games during the season on a variant of that system (obviously they don't shuffle divisions).


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Falconeer on December 24, 2010, 06:01:52 AM
I just got back from work, I am sitting down with some real popcorn and a soda, and I am about to watch the Replay of the very first f13 SuperBloowl.

I love this game.  :heart:



CONGRATS COMSTAR!




EDIT: Comstar let me know what prize(s) you want from the Steam catalogue. You are free to get whatever you want up to a total of 20 USD. Sadly, there are no real gift certificates there so I just have to buy the game(s) for you as a "Gift", but it will work out awesomely for you considering the fantastic offers of these last few days. Mind, they will be publicly announced. If you get Deluxe Adventures in Pornland 2, the board will know.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Falconeer on December 24, 2010, 07:24:37 AM
Also, Comstar got 180k in game money as a first prize, and Llyse 70k if I am not mistaken.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Hoax on December 24, 2010, 07:28:46 AM
You need to keep teams, that is the best part about BB and Leagues.

I don't want to suggest specific ideas for what to do with a mix of old and new teams because I'm not sure what is possible and what isn't.  Depending on how many teams we get of new and how many old coaches want to continue with their team (I'd imagine most? Maybe not the dark elves?) we can figure something out.

Ideally I'd like to see a 2 division world football promotion relegation setup or just an American we don't give a shit about fair setup where you take the top teams from old, split them into 2-4 divisions and add new teams to fill those out.

However I think what options we have for playoff setups will be a large determining factor and I've never manged a league so I dunno what you can or can't do.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: lamaros on December 24, 2010, 07:31:20 AM
Keep teams.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Comstar on December 24, 2010, 12:12:04 PM
As my reward, I would like Tropico 3: Gold Edition - currency $9.99 USD and Sam & Max: The Devil's Playhouse currency $9.99 USD with the specials.



Can we keep teams but increase the amount of options there are for inducements?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: eldaec on December 24, 2010, 03:02:38 PM
Wait, what, did the season 2 champion just suggest blitz mode?

Purge the heretic! Cleanse the unbeliever!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Falconeer on December 24, 2010, 04:04:29 PM
As my reward, I would like Tropico 3: Gold Edition - currency $9.99 USD and Sam & Max: The Devil's Playhouse currency $9.99 USD with the specials.

Prize delivered!


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Falconeer on December 24, 2010, 04:05:16 PM
Wait, what, did the season 2 champion just suggest blitz mode?

Purge the heretic! Cleanse the unbeliever!

What Eldaec said.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Ice Cream Emperor on December 24, 2010, 06:26:33 PM

New player weighing in on keep vs. don't keep: if it comes down to one or the other, then I say let people keep their teams. I am apprehensive about drawing an early match against a punchy high-TV team with a fragile race, but that has more to do with my being new to the game than an inherent imbalance. And I definitely am not going to quit the league halfway through just because I get clobbered 'unfairly'.

I really doubt the game supports this, but my vote for 'tricky ideal solution' would be to just bump new teams up to the lowest TV of pre-existing teams. Of course doing so through some more random exhibition-game schedule would be better than letting them distribute levels/SPP, and might actually be possible within the game (though tedious to organize.)

I don't think two leagues w/ relegations is a good idea -- and while I support the idea of organizing our two divisions according to some kind of seeding/ranking, I think it would make more sense to go off previous season's rankings than off TV.

(Another solution that I am absolutely sure the game doesn't support would be to let coaches carry over one or two players from their old team, legacy-style. Oh well, I guess tabletop does do some things better.)


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Strazos on December 24, 2010, 07:00:38 PM
It least with my team, I don't think having experienced players makes me invincible - I have slightly more options.

In the end, I just want to play.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: lamaros on December 25, 2010, 02:12:46 AM
Anyone want to give me some lessons in a 1v1 beating?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Falconeer on December 25, 2010, 03:41:56 AM
Sure Lamaros. Give me a word if you see me online in the BloodBowl Steam group. I'd be more than happy to have a match.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 **
Post by: lamaros on December 25, 2010, 04:43:24 AM
Lessons on how to win blood bowl, from he season winner:
- Buy more team rerolls. 3 is not enough. 4 is ok if you get the leader skill.
- EYES ON THE BALL. You should ALWAYS be aiming for the ball. If you can grab it, do it. If you need to hit someone, get a 2D block, or a 1D block, or even just a tacklezone on him. Make the other team do something to get away. Always put pressure on the ball. If you need to pick up the ball, move someone to cover it, and pick it up before doing anything else.
- Move the zero risk players first, then the low risk ones who can go for the ball, then ones who can do stuff, then the high risk ones.
- Don't do blocks first if they don't matter to who ends up with the ball.
- Don't get cocky - that Troll might roll 3 dice skulls, or that +2 hand off with a reroll can fail. And a GFI with a reroll ALWAYS fails when you need it.
- Try and keep 1 player as a reserve to handle disasters or opportunities.
- Dodge away if you can, to force less blocks.
- if its crazy and it works, its not crazy. Just do other less crazy things first.
- There is always a way!
- The easy way is not easy if you ran out of rerolls.
- Nuffle is a bitch.

See you next Season!

I just watched the reply and enjoyed, so thanks to you both. In my novice view it seems strange that you got to receive first, what is the reasoning for that on Llyse's part? I can't help feel that you would have been on a hiding to nothing if it was reversed and the undead played a conservative "beat the shit out of you" game, but I really have NFI about many aspects of this game.

Anyhow good to watch, grats on the victory and everything!

(Also, a heap of dodge rerolls that ended up 6 and a lot of success with GFI on that winning touchdown there at the end!!!)


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Comstar on December 25, 2010, 05:55:37 AM
My guess is that he knew I'd go for a quick touchdown, and he could then get a touchdown himself before the end of the first half. He would then probably outnumber me in the 2nd half (which he did!) and get an easy 2-1 win. It's a common strategy for a bashy team vs a dodgy team.

The strategy failed for a couple of reasons, not all of them his fault...Nuffle is a bitch.

- There was a Riot on the kick-off which moved the clock forward 1 turn.
- I stuffed up a dodge so his attempt to get my ball carrier almost worked - if he'd rolled a knock down or picked up the ball he would be in the lead on turn 3. I should have moved my ball carrier first.
- I don't think he used a reroll trying to bash my ball carrier- I would have used one.
- His fast players were out of position so i was able to spend a turn stalling him. You'll notice I blitzed his second werewolf for that reason.
- Instead of trying for a 1 dice frenzy block, he tried dodging his werewolf into a -1 tacklezone, which failed. I would have tried for the 1 dice frenzy myself, but the dodge would have worked on a 4+ with a reroll, compared to a 1 in 6 chance of knocking my blitzer down, so it's understandable.
- It took me 6 turns to get a TD, so he only had 3 turns to even the score.
- On his receiving turn end he moved 3 guys into position to get a pass...but they were all unsupported. A dodgy team can disengage and mark them a lot easier than a bashy team can. He would have been better I think to break through one flank and form a pocket, rather than spread out 3 guys.  He had enough guys he could have formed a pocket and still have another fast mover as a backup too.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Llyse on December 25, 2010, 01:37:43 PM
My guess is that he knew I'd go for a quick touchdown, and he could then get a touchdown himself before the end of the first half. He would then probably outnumber me in the 2nd half (which he did!) and get an easy 2-1 win. It's a common strategy for a bashy team vs a dodgy team.

The strategy failed for a couple of reasons, not all of them his fault...Nuffle is a bitch.

- There was a Riot on the kick-off which moved the clock forward 1 turn.
- I stuffed up a dodge so his attempt to get my ball carrier almost worked - if he'd rolled a knock down or picked up the ball he would be in the lead on turn 3. I should have moved my ball carrier first.
- I don't think he used a reroll trying to bash my ball carrier- I would have used one.
- His fast players were out of position so i was able to spend a turn stalling him. You'll notice I blitzed his second werewolf for that reason.
- Instead of trying for a 1 dice frenzy block, he tried dodging his werewolf into a -1 tacklezone, which failed. I would have tried for the 1 dice frenzy myself, but the dodge would have worked on a 4+ with a reroll, compared to a 1 in 6 chance of knocking my blitzer down, so it's understandable.
- It took me 6 turns to get a TD, so he only had 3 turns to even the score.
- On his receiving turn end he moved 3 guys into position to get a pass...but they were all unsupported. A dodgy team can disengage and mark them a lot easier than a bashy team can. He would have been better I think to break through one flank and form a pocket, rather than spread out 3 guys.  He had enough guys he could have formed a pocket and still have another fast mover as a backup too.

Pretty much what Comstar, one of my big regrets was not rerolling that blitz on the ball carrier  :heartbreak:

I don't remember doing a -1 tackelzone dodge but that's definitely a mistake if it is


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Modern Angel on December 25, 2010, 03:37:13 PM
I think regardless of what we end up doing specifically we're going to have new teams for season 3.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Falconeer on December 25, 2010, 03:39:00 PM
Seems like the majority is pushing for carryovers, including some of the new coaches.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Sir T on December 25, 2010, 03:46:19 PM
I'm not. Frankly the thought of running into experienced teams is damping my enthusiasm for the whole thing. I can understand getting attached to the team you are using but I'm not really interested in providing a laugh to someone while getting steamrolled. Its gonna be hard enough to make any headway as it is as I haven't a clue what I'm doing. And the computer hammers my ass in the few games I've managed to play.

If the other people are ok with it, then go with the majority. I can drop out if it will mean a place for someone else that's ok with it if need be.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Modern Angel on December 25, 2010, 03:50:34 PM
Well beat in mind that this is why the all new teams at the start of season 3 exists. You won' be running into any bruisers with a huge head start until season 4 when you (in theory) will have had the opportunity to be just as badass.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Falconeer on December 25, 2010, 03:57:32 PM
Really, Sir T? You are gonna drop if the majority votes for carryover?  :ye_gods:

Please, don't. Give it a chance, dammit.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Sir T on December 25, 2010, 04:03:02 PM
Sorry Falk. I had a bit of a shitty christmas day and I was feeling a bit low (to top it off my TV cable just failed as the film I have been waiting all day to see was about to start). Of course I'll give it a try. I'll probably bring a Nurgle team so I have an excuse for my boys falling apart  :pedobear:

Expect the worst play you have ever seen.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Falconeer on December 25, 2010, 05:23:35 PM
No worries man. I am sorry if things will go a way that is not ideal, as you know I'd prefer all new teams too. But I am sure it'll be great no matter what. And I shit you not, I just (right now) played a match with my 940 Necro team vs. a 1500 Dark Elf guy, who has a 73% win ratio, and stole a 1-1 tie. Nuffle is a bitch, for everyone. And to have 2 Star Players in your team can be lots of fun.

And I am sorry for your Christmas. I know what it's like  :heartbreak:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Hoax on December 25, 2010, 05:30:32 PM
I'm not. Frankly the thought of running into experienced teams is damping my enthusiasm for the whole thing. I can understand getting attached to the team you are using but I'm not really interested in providing a laugh to someone while getting steamrolled. Its gonna be hard enough to make any headway as it is as I haven't a clue what I'm doing. And the computer hammers my ass in the few games I've managed to play.

If the other people are ok with it, then go with the majority. I can drop out if it will mean a place for someone else that's ok with it if need be.

You really need to read the rules for the table top, understanding why the rolls are what they are is critical, once you've done that you have no excuse for losing to the computer on lower difficulty and you'll be ready to start making mistakes against humans.

More experienced teams are actually less frustrating to play and lose against then say when you play 1000TV chaos against 1000TV dwarves and get stomped. The game IS NOT balanced perfectly nor is it trying to be and there is so much luck involved that any team can win or lose despite its coach if the gods are against them.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: lamaros on December 25, 2010, 06:14:40 PM
I never played the tabletop, nor do I know anything about NFL, and I haven't lost any games to the computer on medium yet. I'd advise doing the tutorial, reading a couple of simple guides (like the one comstar posted in the other thread) and play some games in the campaign mode. I think the basics aren't too hard to pick up and once you play some games and read the rules, but I'd play the games first as the rules can seem daunting.

With so many new teams this league it's not going to be a case of experience v newbie every game anyhow, so I am strongly in favor of carry over teams.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: eldaec on December 26, 2010, 05:35:00 PM
All things being equal I'd say keep teams. But I'm not going to get hot and bothered if Falconeer declares that new teams are the thing.

I don't have strong views on other aspects of the format. But some general thoughts...


 - I'd really rather not see us turning teams away - even if that means fake teams like season 2, or running divisions as separate competitions to get around limitations of the inflexible bullshit league system.
 - Seed on the basis of season 2 record, not TV. Seed new teams on the basis of the blood bowl coach record with other teams.
 - End of season playoffs always seem weak sauce to me, if you must have them, keep them short. An entirely separate knockout competition alongside the main league (in the style of a european football league + cup season) always feels like a better structure.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: lamaros on December 27, 2010, 12:18:24 AM
- End of season playoffs always seem weak sauce to me, if you must have them, keep them short. An entirely separate knockout competition alongside the main league (in the style of a european football league + cup season) always feels like a better structure.

I'd prefer this too if it's possible to do.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Modern Angel on December 27, 2010, 09:00:48 AM
I love playoffs but it might just be me being a lifelong American football fan. I'm pretty dead set against any parallel competition, though, just because I think we run the real risk of diluting the enthusiasm. As it is, I don't think playoffs of top two from each division is too terrible. I don't feel terribly strongly about the postseason, so whatever people thinks works best is fine by me.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Hoax on December 27, 2010, 10:08:52 AM
I'd like to see a league cup style side competition in the future but I think we should wait and just have season 3 on its own to maintain focus and keep the commitment on the lighter side with all the fresh coaches and faces.

As for ditching American style playoffs, shut your dirty gobs you damn euros.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Sky on December 27, 2010, 11:55:54 AM
As for ditching American style playoffs, shut your dirty gobs you damn euros.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Strazos on December 27, 2010, 12:13:27 PM
I don't even get this side competition stuff...are you essentially in 2 leagues with 1 team? Which "league" matters then? And if not both, then why have 2 in the first place?


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Ruvaldt on December 27, 2010, 12:40:47 PM
Yeah, I'm not sure I understand that either.  It sounds like gilding the lily though.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: ezrast on December 27, 2010, 01:38:59 PM
I think Hoax was talking about having two parallel leagues, a Season #3 with all new teams and a Season #2.5 with carryovers.

I'm probably going to start a new team either way - terrible team composition trumps the mild attachment I have to my Pools - and I'm too newb to have any opinion on what works TV-wise but the arguments for just keeping one season and allowing carryovers sound convincing enough to me (before reading the last couple pages I was in favor of starting fresh).


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Ruvaldt on December 27, 2010, 01:53:48 PM
Ahhhh I see.  Well, if that's the case then I'd probably be in favor of it, but I haven't seen a lot of traction for the idea so far.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Hoax on December 27, 2010, 02:02:32 PM
Actually its different its a single elim tournament that happens during the season that has its own trophy, but I've thought about it for a bit now and it wouldn't work in BB I don't think since single elim is bad since playing more games is such an advantage. Also the reason to have a league cup is if you are using the euro style promotion/relegation divisions style as the league cups give a chance for the minnow teams to play against the top division sides.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: ezrast on December 27, 2010, 02:17:39 PM
Not following real sports doesn't hurt my enjoyment of BB in the least, but it sure makes it hard to figure out what the hell you all are talking about sometimes.  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Strazos on December 27, 2010, 04:35:42 PM
Also, I don't think you can use 1 team in more than 1 league at any one time.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: eldaec on December 27, 2010, 05:23:57 PM
On MA's point about not having parallel leagues, what I meant about league & cup is not two sets of fixtures in parallel; you might have every third game day be a knockout cup round. I think that is what the grand slam tournament option means.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Bann on December 28, 2010, 01:38:49 PM
As a new bloodbowler who just signed up for season 3, I'd love to see carryovers. Selfishly, I'd prefer new teams for season 3 with carryovers going forward from there, but wouldn't mind in the least to play against carryovers from season 2. Just excited to play against some real people soon.



Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Teleku on December 28, 2010, 03:34:33 PM
As for ditching American style playoffs, shut your dirty gobs you damn euros.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: NiX on December 29, 2010, 12:57:31 AM
You guys need to pick a thread. Having two floating around is silly.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl - ** f13 League, Season #2 ** (Over! We have a winner!)
Post by: Falconeer on December 29, 2010, 04:21:54 AM
We got the other stickied. Awesome.

Let this one die, and congrats Comstar.