NFL 2010

[Paelos]

I think the coach turned to him and told Cutler he was injured. It was a nice excuse to take him out after he had proven he didn't have it that day.

[Ingmar]

Going to call bullshit on the Cutler 'pussy' accusation. Dude has been sacked 57 times this year, has to inject himself with insulin just to play, tried to play through a concussion (against the Giants I think?) this year, and then tried to play through an MCL sprain. He goes through all of that, gets one game away from the Super Bowl, and then people think he's quitting over a minor injury? If he could have been out there he would, there's just no logical grounds at all to criticize him for it.

[HaemishM]

Championship game against your biggest rival to see who goes in the Super Bowl? That's my ground to criticize him. Somethings you play through. Fuck, Brett Favre was put together like Frankenstein's Monster this year and he played when it meant fuckall to the team's chances at a playoff.

[Hoax]

People love to hate Cutler don't let objectivity or logic enter into this discussion and let them hate the people they love to hate. Its the American way.

As for the Jets game, I don't blame the D at all. The Steelers are fucking hard to stop and frankly if Big Ben doesn't pull that retarded shit out of his ass on 3rd down they would have given the O one last shot at it.

OTOH if the Jets hadn't panicked at the end of the first half in such an obvious way which led to that big hit on Sanchez and the TD...

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Also why the fuck would Cutler care what team they are playing against? Rivalries mean fuckall to players in the modern game where they are bought and sold and traded at will by owners, rivalries are something fans invent and fans care about players could give a fuck.

[Segoris]

The Bears-Packers game was also good for getting to see some of the NFL's more obscure rules in action.

 - After the 2 minute warning, a ball which has been fumbled may only be advanced by the player who fumbled the ball
 - On a punt, a player must have two feet planted to spike the ball.

I had never even heard of these rules, and the former seems wonderfully obscure and I cannot think how it improves the game at all.

Also, the QB rule: if you put your 3rd string QB in before the 4th quarter starts, you can't put your 1st or 2nd back in. The bear put Hanie in with less than a minute to go just so he could participate in two running plays which wound down the clock anyways.

As for the Cutler thing - it's ast Trippy said - it was a coaches/trainers decision. Also, it's confirmed as a tear and not a sprain, with surgery likely to be needed. Also, I find it hard to call him a pussy considering how many times he's sacked/knocked down/hit in a season and has still only missed 1 start (again, coaches/trainers decision as he couldn't pass the concussion test to get cleared to play) in his entire career.
Fake edit: ingmar beat me to the number of times sacked and even included the insulin bit.

[Paelos]

If yall think the Bears were going to issue a report with anything other than a tear requiring surgery after all this, you have your head up your ass.

[Rasix]

We also got to see how much of a pussy Cutler is. MCL SPRAIN? Not even a tear. I'm not saying I would have played with it, but damn, NFC Championship game against the goddamn Packers? I think you got to nut up on that one.

Umm, a sprain can be a tear.  A bad enough sprain could have kept him out of the Super Bowl.

A pussy? Guy plays profession football with type 1 diabetes.

[Segoris]

If yall think the Bears were going to issue a report with anything other than a tear requiring surgery after all this, you have your head up your ass.

So category A) you take the report at face value and thus have your head up your ass, or category B) you have your head in the sand denying any report that would have been posted which may have debunked the joy of calling someone a pussy on the internet

Got it.  

[Ingmar]

Bears center Olin Kreutz was not surprised, and he said he could see Cutler's leg shaking during a huddle in the second quarter.

"I didn't even think he was going to finish the half," Kreutz said. "When he came back to try it again, that amazed me. It was shaking right after he took the hit and walked back in the huddle. It was swinging like this [waving his hand back and forth].

"So I knew one of his ligaments probably went. I can't remember exactly what play it was. I know it was the second quarter. I remember him walking in the huddle, and I saw it shaking like this. I said, 'Ah, man.'"

[Sky]

The way he was playing, pulling him and putting in the third stringer was a really good idea. Sure, the guy threw the game-losing pick...but he made the game a -7 deficit, so his stint in the game was actually +7, better than the -7 and 0 of the other two QBs (Collins should just not have been in at all).

[Nebu]

People love to hate Cutler don't let objectivity or logic enter into this discussion and let them hate the people they love to hate. Its the American way.

I know I'm not the only Broncos fan here.  Back in 2007 (Nov I think), Cutler left a game with what he thought was a broken leg.  The MRI was negative meaning that he had a bone bruise.  I think that's a contributing reason to why people doubt his passion. 

Note: I looked for the story on Rocky Mountain News site, but their closing down makes a search rough. 

[HaemishM]

Donovan McNabb played an entire game on a broken leg. 

[Rasix]

TO would have something to say about McNabb's conditioning. 

[HaemishM]

TO would have something to say about Mother Teresa. 

[Paelos]

If yall think the Bears were going to issue a report with anything other than a tear requiring surgery after all this, you have your head up your ass.

So category A) you take the report at face value and thus have your head up your ass, or category B) you have your head in the sand denying any report that would have been posted which may have debunked the joy of calling someone a pussy on the internet

Or C) You put yourself in the Bears shoes and realize that the only report you can issue is a bad one. I'm not saying he's not injured. I'm saying that under no circumstances can you issue a report saying he WASN'T injured due to bad PR. Thus, it brings into question any report they issue.

[Sjofn]

The rivalry thing is, indeed, bullshit. Just because the fans loathe each other doesn't mean it resonates for the players the same way. I fucking hate the Eagles more than Hitler (hell, I hate them more than the Cowboys. Who are also worse than Hitler.), but I don't really expect the Giants to feel the same way as me.

That said, I'm not surprised at all the "omg u pussy" sneering. Football always brings out the fake machismo, GO FIGURE. 

[El Gallo]

The Bears-Packers game was also good for getting to see some of the NFL's more obscure rules in action.

 - After the 2 minute warning, a ball which has been fumbled may only be advanced by the player who fumbled the ball
 - On a punt, a player must have two feet planted to spike the ball.

I had never even heard of these rules, and the former seems wonderfully obscure and I cannot think how it improves the game at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roller_(American_football)

Basically, it's designed to keep you from fumbling on purpose when you're about to go down at the end of the game.

[Sjofn]

Madden is on the field. He wants to know if it's real. They said yes, get your big butt out of here! He does! There's nothing real in the world anymore!

 

[HaemishM]

Leave it to the Raiders to intentionally fuck up so badly they have to make a rule against it.

[K9]

The Bears-Packers game was also good for getting to see some of the NFL's more obscure rules in action.

 - After the 2 minute warning, a ball which has been fumbled may only be advanced by the player who fumbled the ball
 - On a punt, a player must have two feet planted to spike the ball.

I had never even heard of these rules, and the former seems wonderfully obscure and I cannot think how it improves the game at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roller_(American_football)

Basically, it's designed to keep you from fumbling on purpose when you're about to go down at the end of the game.

Cool, thanks. The more you know.

[01101010]

Leave it to the Raiders to intentionally fuck up so badly they have to make a rule against it.

Tuck rule anyone? 

[ghost]

Hey, if you didn't love Jay Cutler before, this article will certainly make you think otherwise. 

 

[caladein]

Here's a pretty awesome breakdown of when and how Cutler got injured: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmqOSu0Ngz8

[ghost]

Whether or not he is a "tough guy" is kind of irrelevant.  He fucked the team by trying to play injured.  And he's a douche. 

[Malakili]

Whether or not he is a "tough guy" is kind of irrelevant.  He fucked the team by trying to play injured.  And he's a douche. 

Fucked if he did, fucked if he didn't apparently.  He is a douche anyway though. 

That being said, if you can't plant your foot to throw because your knee isn't stable, you can't just suck it up and play.  I saw all these ex-football players saying shit like "Oh, you'd have to cart me off on a stretcher in a championship game"  Yea, well you're a fucking idiot then.  Anyone who was watching the game could see he was throwing off his back foot every time.  He has a big arm, but you just can't play with a knee like that, even if you can physically walk and run a bit.

[Nebu]

Lovie Smith just told the world that a healthy Cutler is barely better than his backups.  A winged Cutler got the yank.

If Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rogers, or any other top QB tweaked a knee, they would have sent them out in the second half with a knee brace, a local/cortisone shot, and a slap on the ass.  Hell, Dan Marino played most of his career in more knee pain than a sprained MCL causes. 

[ghost]

Lovie Smith just told the world that a healthy Cutler is barely better than his backups. 

Maybe Lovie is also getting tired of Cutler's douche routine.  It's tough to play the QB position if you don't have the respect of your teammates and coaches. 

[Malakili]

Lovie Smith just told the world that a healthy Cutler is barely better than his backups.  A winged Cutler got the yank.

If Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rogers, or any other top QB tweaked a knee, they would have sent them out in the second half with a knee brace, a local/cortisone shot, and a slap on the ass.  Hell, Dan Marino played most of his career in more knee pain than a sprained MCL causes. 

Given the way the Hanie guy played after he came in, he might be right.  Todd Collins just made his exit from the NFL though, that was hard to even watch.

[Paelos]

Lost in all the speculation was the certainty that Cutler is terrible without any tools to help him.

His offensive line is the worst this side of Detroit. His best receiver is known for kick returns. Who's his Tight End safety valve? Hell I had to look it up, Greg Olsen. There are literally 20 better TE's in the NFL than that guy.

[Sky]

And yet a 3rd stringer came in with the same tools and drove it down the field twice for TDs. And was one very lucky INT away from OT.

[Paelos]

And yet a 3rd stringer came in with the same tools and drove it down the field twice for TDs. And was one very lucky INT away from OT.

They had no film on the 3rd stringer. Also, the first drive, he barely did anything but hand off and toss a screen to Forte. That entire drive was Forte because GB was blitzing the shit out of the new guy. Next possession he went 3 and out. Then, he tossed a pick 6.

Let's be fair, by the time he showed up and did that quick drive down the field with 3m left, GB was up 14 and in a total prevent. Any QB can look good in that setup because all they were doing is trying to give up the mid-range stuff to kill clock.

[Nebu]

Lost in all the speculation was the certainty that Cutler is terrible without any tools to help him.

His offensive line is the worst this side of Detroit. His best receiver is known for kick returns. Who's his Tight End safety valve? Hell I had to look it up, Greg Olsen. There are literally 20 better TE's in the NFL than that guy.

I have to give you credit on that one.  I came across this obscure ranking of offensive lines and it has Chicago dead last.  He does have one of the better running backs in the NFL with him, so that does help a little... but defense has been their key to victory this season. 

Did someone mention defense earlier in this thread?  Let me take a look...

[Paelos]

Chicago's D was top 5 in the league, but shockingly behind GB in all categories except against the run. Nobody was talking about GB's defense, though.

[Nebu]

Nobody was talking about GB's defense, though.

I should have been.  I really like their defensive backfield.  I honestly thought that their lack of a running game would be their demise.  I guess they fixed that with a nobody. 

[ghost]

Lost in all the speculation was the certainty that Cutler is terrible without any tools to help him.

His offensive line is the worst this side of Detroit. His best receiver is known for kick returns. Who's his Tight End safety valve? Hell I had to look it up, Greg Olsen. There are literally 20 better TE's in the NFL than that guy.

Nobody should question Cutler's natural ability.  The guy has a rocket arm and can make a big play.  His noggin is what is really in question.