Justified

[Johny Cee]

Did you watch The Shield?  Goggins is great in that show too.

Nope, not yet.  It's on my list to pick up eventually when there's a good deal on it.

[Abagadro]

There is a bit of a lull just after the midpoint in the series but don't stop as it is worth it.

[Xanthippe]

Did you watch The Shield?  Goggins is great in that show too.

The Shield is one of the best TV shows ever made.

[Riggswolfe]

Ok. Watched tonight's episode and...damn.

[Johny Cee]

Did you watch The Shield?  Goggins is great in that show too.

The Shield is one of the best TV shows ever made.

I recently looked through an old "Television Thread" here, where you would chime in once every couple pages to recommend the Shield!  The Shield is on my list for future bargain purchases.

I did just pick up the first two seasons of Damages for $16, which I'm stoked for.  I watched about the first half of the first season when it was on, but dropped it when I had to miss a couple episodes since it is an ongoing storyline. 

Back to Justified:

Ok. Watched tonight's episode and...damn.

Wow.  Cleverly played. 

[Riggswolfe]

Did you watch The Shield?  Goggins is great in that show too.

The Shield is one of the best TV shows ever made.

I recently looked through an old "Television Thread" here, where you would chime in once every couple pages to recommend the Shield!  The Shield is on my list for future bargain purchases.

I did just pick up the first two seasons of Damages for $16, which I'm stoked for.  I watched about the first half of the first season when it was on, but dropped it when I had to miss a couple episodes since it is an ongoing storyline. 

Back to Justified:

Ok. Watched tonight's episode and...damn.

Wow.  Cleverly played. 

[AcidCat]

Another great episode. Looks like its really gonna hit the fan next episode.

[Rendakor]

There's another? Thank god; I thought this one was decent but a bit weak as a finale.

[Threash]

It's Justified, it ends in bloodbath.

[Johny Cee]

Frizzle-fracking....

Cable had an update, and I wasn't informed that I needed to re-setup my TV, so my cable was out and missed last episode.  I'll have to hope the episode makes it to OnDemand before the season finale.


I've almost purchased the season 1 DVD a couple of times now...  it's going for $10-$15, and a re-watch would be fun.

[Riggswolfe]

Just watched the season finale.

[Hawkbit]

Fantastic finale, though it could have been 2 hours long and I'd have been okay. 

[AcidCat]

That finale was just about perfect, what a great season.

[Threash]

Fantastic finale, though it could have been 2 hours long and I'd have been okay. 

You mean besides .  Don't think that's the kinda thing they just let you walk away from.

[apocrypha]

I've just finished watching Season 1 of this, so I've completely avoided the rest of this thread to prevent any inadvertent spoilers.

Wasn't sure about it at first, it felt like it was just going to be Raylan Givens getting to kill someone each week but was really into it by the end. Loved the way they developed Boyd and I actually feel that season 1 was more about him than it was about Givens.

What I'd really like to see in Season 2 is for the female characters to be given a bit more depth - at least Ava and Winona, both of whom felt a bit one dimensional. I thought for a fleeting moment that Rachel Brooks (had to look her name up, the one who rode with Givens from the Marshal's office a couple of times) was going to play more of a part but it didn't happen. Actually a lot of the supporting cast could do with more screen time and fleshing out a bit.

I'll return to this thread in about 3 months time when we finish watching season 2!

[March]

Well, not to gainsay everything you just said... but no.   

Pretty sure the fastest way to kill this series will be

I said way upthread that the soap opera pull will be strong... and feel justified (  ) to confirm that [most] every episode or arc with Winona was nothing more than a derail for the Raylan/Boyd freight train.

There may be far more viewers like you than like me, so ultimately they will just write for whatever audience turns up... but Raylan as the other half of a committed monogamous relationship with duties and obligations to his family does not have the edge to keep the show watchable.  I literally hope she is run-over by a flaming Crowder mobile meth lab in the first episode of season 3.  In fact, the writers should initiate a fan campaign on how to off Winona... trapped in a collapsed pot barn, executed when accidentally picnicing too close to a neo-Nazi hideout, sudden death from a rare respiratory disease caused by inhaling spores from mouldy dollar bills kept in basement storage lockers for decades, or perhaps just simply choking on actual Apple Pie at a Sunday gathering of the local notables.

Oh, and I'd like to fully express my disappointment that

[DLRiley]

Oh, and I'd like to fully express my disappointment that

[SnakeCharmer]

Season's been over for a few weeks now, so is there really any need in spoilers anymore?

Anyway, Boyd is an opportunist.  I don't think he really believed the nazi white power bullshit he espoused, or even the fundie religious angle he used for a while.  He used the nazi angle because take advantage of those that followed that particular path.  Once he saw that it was a little harder to recruit for that, he discovered religion as a means to reach more people to follow his 'beliefs' towards his end goal; which is really just blow shit up and cause mass chaos.  And I think it's pretty obvious that he used those...beliefs....as tools to a mean to an end because he hasn't referenced them at all as he moved from white power nazi to preacher to whatever you want to call him now. 

It's pretty obvious it's not about the money (so far).  He's like the Joker - he just wants to see the world burn.  But he found the problem with both the nazi white power guys and the religious nuts were they weren't very smart.  Things went wrong because they weren't very smart and couldn't do anything without his direction.  He's now surrounding himself with smart people with proven histories of knowing that the hell they're doing.  Arlo, Devil, and Johnny are his captains that can be counted on to be autonomous without him having to micromanage everything.  You could easily make an argument that Arlo, Devil, and Johnny aren't educated in terms of book sense and using proper english, but they're brilliant in terms of what they do.

Personally?  I think he's setting up a crew to take over Harlan, with the end goal being the Dixie mafia in Frankfort for no other reason that just to do it, but that may be only because that's where I would LOVE to see them take the show.  And if he were to succeed, I think he'd come down off the high of the accomplishment pretty quickly and find some other mountain to climb.

He's a deep character, and easily my most favorite of the show with Art being a very close second, and Raylan a distant third.  Goggins was given free reign to develop his character together with the writers in connection with the story, and it really shows.

[Mrbloodworth]

Season's been over for a few weeks now, so is there really any need in spoilers anymore?

Thoes who watch it on hulu.

[Johny Cee]

Season's been over for a few weeks now, so is there really any need in spoilers anymore?

Anyway, Boyd is an opportunist.  I don't think he really believed the nazi white power bullshit he espoused, or even the fundie religious angle he used for a while.  He used the nazi angle because take advantage of those that followed that particular path.  Once he saw that it was a little harder to recruit for that, he discovered religion as a means to reach more people to follow his 'beliefs' towards his end goal; which is really just blow shit up and cause mass chaos.  And I think it's pretty obvious that he used those...beliefs....as tools to a mean to an end because he hasn't referenced them at all as he moved from white power nazi to preacher to whatever you want to call him now. 

It's pretty obvious it's not about the money (so far).  He's like the Joker - he just wants to see the world burn.  But he found the problem with both the nazi white power guys and the religious nuts were they weren't very smart.  Things went wrong because they weren't very smart and couldn't do anything without his direction.  He's now surrounding himself with smart people with proven histories of knowing that the hell they're doing.  Arlo, Devil, and Johnny are his captains that can be counted on to be autonomous without him having to micromanage everything.  You could easily make an argument that Arlo, Devil, and Johnny aren't educated in terms of book sense and using proper english, but they're brilliant in terms of what they do.

Actually, the religious conversion was something that Olyphaunt and Groggins worked out together when Olyphaunt was trying to get Groggins to sign on for season one (Boyd dies in the original pilot).  Groggins had problems with trying to play a racist, neo-nazi dick all the time.  I think it was Olyphaunt who insisted on playing Raylan as believing that the neo-nazi stuff and the religious conversion were all lies.

I don't think that the character wants to see the world burn, or that he's an opportunist.  He's directionless, and he desperately wants to find that direction.  First it was the lure of a cause, then he thought that was religion/vigilantism, and now it seems that he's focused on Ava as his prime motivation and becoming the outlaw boss of Harlan is his way of doing that....  After all, what other prospects does he have?

It's the old saw about people born in poor backgrounds, about how you either become a cop or a criminal (a bandit or a priest, if you prefer Tuco).

He's still the parallel character to Raylan (cop to criminal, both doing things for the women they love, etc), and the show is at it's strongest when those two characters are playing off of each other.

Personally?  I think he's setting up a crew to take over Harlan, with the end goal being the Dixie mafia in Frankfort for no other reason that just to do it, but that may be only because that's where I would LOVE to see them take the show.  And if he were to succeed, I think he'd come down off the high of the accomplishment pretty quickly and find some other mountain to climb.

He's a deep character, and easily my most favorite of the show with Art being a very close second, and Raylan a distant third.  Goggins was given free reign to develop his character together with the writers in connection with the story, and it really shows.

Almost all of the secondary characters are great.  Even Tim and Rachel, who don't have nearly enough to do.  Winona is the weakest, but Ava was pretty mediocre last season when she was a major character and she's much more interesting with Boyd.

I think that has to do with Raylan, who is more subdued and more of a straight-man.  He enables some great stuff, but the weaker characters don't really shine when paired with him.  

The Black Pike mining rep actually worked really well with Raylan, and I think Winona works better as minor character driving Raylan nuts.  I'd love to see Winona drop Raylan, while causing him grief with the pregnancy, and use a relationship with the Black Rock rep to pull Raylan into Harlan.

I don't think we're going to see Boyd take on Frankfort, as it would fly a little too much in the face of the show's world.  The Dixie Mafia is basically set up as THE major power in the region, and Harlan is just small beans compared to that.  I mean, despite cornering the Harlan crime racket for a while, the Bennets were still engaging in out-right petty shit like cashing welfare checks and snatching the haul from an Oxy bus.

Meanwhile, the few times we've seen Frankfort in action has been multi-million dollar land swindles, hiring professional hitmen to take out a US Marshall, and generally doing stuff that a few hillbillies with guns would never dream of.


I'd love to see the new mining project, and the massive environmental impact of it, become the major story in the next season.  Have Boyd come down against the company, and what it would do to his new business (thousands of acres of pot farms), with support from the average yokel who feels betrayed by the Bennets.

Boyd could become the hillbilly Che Guevara!

[HaemishM]

Finally watched all the episodes from this season over the last week. Fan-fucking-tastic season. I knew Goggins could act from his time on the Shield, but he is absolutely channeling some amazing shit with Boyd. His quiet menacing lines have been some of the best all season, and he and Olyphant play off of each other so damn well. I'd love to see more of the secondary marshall characters become more prominent, especially Sniper Tim. The Winona steals money plot was probably the weakest part of the season - it felt like padding, though it did set up some antagonism between Art and Givens.

I think Snake's right on target with Season 3. Boyd isn't about Joker crazy, but his motivations really are that he likes to blow shit up and steal money. Once he solidifies his hold on Harlan with the Bennetts out of business, the next big target is going to be Black Pike - and I'm guessing that behind them will be the Frankfurt Mafia. I always expected behind the mining company would be something of the Mafia they keep talking about.

I'm going to miss my dose of hillbilly comebacks until Season 3 gets here.

[Xanthippe]

The reruns from the first season are on again, gearing up for the beginning of season 3 in January or February.

I had forgotten just what a delightful show this is.  Great writing, terrific characters.

[Johny Cee]

This is a Season 2 trailer, but it encapsulates what's so awesome about this show:

Season 2 trailer


Season 3 trailers are out now, this one being the best:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp0POkOLb-I&feature=player_embedded

 

Edit:

Carla Gugino joins the cast for season 3!

[KallDrexx]

New season starting out awesome 

[apocrypha]

Yep, good stuff.

The dialogue and editing are excellent, really snappy and funny. Very happy this is back! 

[Abagadro]

The tablecloth move was badass. Love this show.

[Johny Cee]

I  Dewey Crow.

[Abagadro]

Crowe. 

This season is off to a great start. Was hoping there would be no third year slump after last year's stellar outing and it is just getting better.  Both McDonough and Goggins are just killing it.

[Johny Cee]

Crowe. 

This season is off to a great start. Was hoping there would be no third year slump after last year's stellar outing and it is just getting better.  Both McDonough and Goggins are just killing it.

This. 

So far, you have Dickie, Limehouse, Boyd, and Carpetbagger mixing it up.  Always interesting to see which will be the red herrings and which will be the major antagonist for Raylan.

[Surlyboi]

"I saw that Kenny Chesney on your computer and I thought you were capable of anything..."

[Soln]

Started watching this and am hooked.    Went through all S1 on Amazon Video -- great stuff. 

[Ubvman]

Let me see if I understand how the Dixie Mafia's Oxycontin trafficking scheme works - and whats happening now.

• They set up corrupt doctors in clinics to issue bogus but legally legit Oxy prescriptions to shill buyers hired by Mafia
• Mafia sets up legal but corrupt pharmacies that sell only Oxy to the prescription holders.
• The shill buyers turn around and give the Oxy to Mafia.
• The Mafia in turn sells the Oxy to real addicts at a profit.

[Surlyboi]

Oh man, this shit is about to get messy.

[HaemishM]

Goddamn, I fucking love this show. So many great lines.

"Shit, I forgot to bring a knife!"
"I don't care what kind of shitkicker on shitkicker crime you got going on."

[Threash]

I love the whole discussion they had about how cool Raylans line was to duffy when he threw the bullet at him, i wonder if it really did come from a Johny Carson show.  Oh, and that is twice someone has said something about Quarles hidden gun jamming.