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Reply #455 on: April 01, 2010, 05:55:35 PM

Ooh you're asking for raiding.  My disc spec was for 5-mans (where dispelling slows/ etc is a convenience thing where that 5-10s slow walk is a LONG time these days of instant-dead trash) and PVP.

Yeah, I'd probably go with Renew then.  You're never really going to be standing around enough folks for Holy Nova -> spam until bubbles to make sense mana-wise are you?

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Reply #456 on: April 01, 2010, 05:58:07 PM

Precious is the only fight in ICC where Holy Nova actually feels useful. Everywhere else people are either too spread out, or just keeping bubbles up makes more sense.

I can see the value of Dispel for 5-mans though, I might get a stack of glyphs and just try mixing them in and out to see what feels good. I expect to be generally underwhelmed though...

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Reply #457 on: April 01, 2010, 07:25:12 PM

I had a look at the glyphs my priest has again today and realised that there's really fuck all point having the Flash Heal glyph as Disc. Penance and PW:S are a given, and the PW:S glyph accounts for a good 5-10% of my healing done, if not more, depending on the fight. There's really no situation where I ever use flash heal much. As holy I'm using a renew-centric build with Renew-CoH-GS as my majors.

Any suggestions for replacing the flash heal glyph? Renew seems like the possible best contender, although I'm not totally sold on using renew as Disc. Holy Nova perhaps, might try dispel magic. None of them are particularly obvious choices though.

Renew shouldn't be used as disc, really. It's not very effective.
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Reply #458 on: April 01, 2010, 07:43:53 PM

I use PoH a lot, especially in 5-mans or Vault, but I can't think of an encounter with regular enough damage in ICC.

I know it's better HPS than PW: Shield spam when enough targets (I think it's like 3 for my gear) have taken damage, even without the glyph, but where are you using it?

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Reply #459 on: April 01, 2010, 08:18:16 PM

I use PoH a lot, especially in 5-mans or Vault, but I can't think of an encounter with regular enough damage in ICC.
Festergut really is all I can think of, for a short period of time.  And I use Renew when I get stuck on tank healing duty as a disc priest (which I am not thrilled about usually).
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Reply #460 on: April 02, 2010, 06:59:54 AM

Other than toravon, and festergut following exhale blight (which we only get once per fight), I can't think where I'd use PoH in T10 content as Disc (based on my current progression which is 9/12). I'm more inclined towards renew because I can take [url-http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#bVcbuhhVRIoffRtcEzc]this spec[/url] which has Imp:Renew.

I'm also having serious doubts about the utility of grace. There are so few situations where I'm single-target healing as Disc, and I barely use Flash heal. The main problem is if I take them out, I have nowhere useful to put those two points anyway.

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Reply #461 on: April 02, 2010, 04:41:43 PM

Other than toravon, and festergut following exhale blight (which we only get once per fight), I can't think where I'd use PoH in T10 content as Disc (based on my current progression which is 9/12).
Sindragosa and the Blood Princes have some raid heavy healing at times, but on the princes everyone is so spread out and Sindragosa has so little time to waste, you really can't stand around casting a heal that takes almost 3 seconds (unless you are trying to kill time on Arcane Instability).

Out of curiosity, what heal do you normally heal with as disc?  I use Flash Heal and Binding heal, but most of my time is spent on shields and renews as I usually end up tank healing.
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Reply #462 on: April 02, 2010, 04:43:26 PM

Even if you never heal the same person back-to-back, Grace should still work out to a 3% boost to Penance which is probably better than anywhere else you could stick those points.

And when you are healing one target (which I get stuck with a lot to be honest) it's amazing.

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Reply #463 on: April 02, 2010, 05:38:50 PM

PoH is useful on blood queen and sindragosa; With borrowed time and the appropriate amount of haste, it should only be around a 1.7s cast. There really isn't any other better glyph. If you find yourself using flash heal a lot, use that glyph instead.
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Reply #464 on: May 04, 2010, 07:48:21 PM

Rookie request: Could someone link a good tanking build for warriors? It would be much appriciated, it has been a while (like two expansions or so...) and I feel I need to get an up-to-date starting point. Thanks!

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Reply #465 on: May 04, 2010, 08:23:05 PM

Rookie request: Could someone link a good tanking build for warriors? It would be much appriciated, it has been a while (like two expansions or so...) and I feel I need to get an up-to-date starting point. Thanks!
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Reply #466 on: May 04, 2010, 08:50:34 PM

Much appriciated!

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Reply #467 on: May 04, 2010, 09:05:48 PM

Glyph of Shockwave is a little unorthodox, mind you, I only use that in a protection pvp build.

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Reply #468 on: May 05, 2010, 01:06:46 AM

Rookie request: Could someone link a good tanking build for warriors? It would be much appriciated, it has been a while (like two expansions or so...) and I feel I need to get an up-to-date starting point. Thanks!
Cookie cutter tank build.  Works great, no issues whatsoever.

I went with a slight modification to that for my build. I'm currently at 10/12 ICC 10 with him.

Focused Rage is one of the most valuable talents to me and I wouldn't want to miss it. What I'm still trying to figure out is how I could work in improved spell reflect.
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Reply #469 on: May 05, 2010, 06:23:01 AM

Glyph of Shockwave is a little unorthodox, mind you, I only use that in a protection pvp build.
Agreed, but I like having the reduced cooldown time for it since we tend to pull mobs quickly in heroics these days.  I enjoyed it all the way from 60-80 ;-)
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Reply #470 on: May 05, 2010, 06:42:01 AM

I actually prefer Devastate + Sunder glyphs for multiple mobs.
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Reply #471 on: May 05, 2010, 09:16:52 AM

Devastate/Sunder is mighty nice, but the Shockwave glyph does help with the heroics, especially in randoms.

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Reply #472 on: May 05, 2010, 09:29:51 AM

I prefer Cleaving for that myself.   I specced out of Focused Rage for Improved Spell Reflect on the theory that hey, my rage bar is always full anyway.  Turns out that's not the case, doh.   I'm probably going to switch back, I'm tired of starting fights unable to do anything.   Ohhhhh, I see.
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Reply #473 on: May 11, 2010, 06:55:00 AM

I've never played a Death Knight, how is it for a pet class?  I kinda like the idea of an up close fighter with a pet, but is it worth it?  Or should I just wait till they introduce the Beastmaster class like Rexxar (yeah I know don't hold your breath waiting for that).  Unholy looks decent but is it out shinned by the other specs?
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Reply #474 on: May 11, 2010, 07:55:08 AM

I've never played a Death Knight, how is it for a pet class?  I kinda like the idea of an up close fighter with a pet, but is it worth it?  Or should I just wait till they introduce the Beastmaster class like Rexxar (yeah I know don't hold your breath waiting for that).  Unholy looks decent but is it out shinned by the other specs?

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Reply #475 on: May 11, 2010, 09:10:29 AM

I've never played a Death Knight, how is it for a pet class?  I kinda like the idea of an up close fighter with a pet, but is it worth it?  Or should I just wait till they introduce the Beastmaster class like Rexxar (yeah I know don't hold your breath waiting for that).  Unholy looks decent but is it out shinned by the other specs?

Eh, the ghoul...

You don't really manage the ghoul much in PvE as a deep unholy DK. He's another form of remote dps, like the gargoyle. It's just he's always around. He does do substantial damage, but essentially you'll have him because you're an unholy dps DK, as opposed to the other two alternatives (i.e. you want more AoE dps, as opposed to a more single target type, like blood). Now in PvP, well, then he has all sorts of utility.
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Reply #476 on: May 11, 2010, 10:58:25 AM

Go with unholy or frost for DPS. Blood does pretty good dps now, but it is turning into the exclusive tanking tree in Cataclysm so there's no real reason to learn blood dps cycles now etc.

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Reply #477 on: May 11, 2010, 11:47:46 AM

I agree with Ingmar; go Unholy if you like using a 2h, Frost if you like DW.

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Reply #478 on: October 09, 2010, 05:07:41 PM

Arise!

Anyone know a good site for finding spell-ids? Specifically, I'm looking for the ID number for the DoT applied by Immolate, to get MSBT to yell at me when it wears off.

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Reply #479 on: October 09, 2010, 06:34:00 PM

If you use wowhead I believe the spell ID is the last part of the URL.  So something like http://www.wowhead.com/spell=x  ,where x is the spell ID.

Assuming this is still correct, max rank immolate is 47811.
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Reply #480 on: October 09, 2010, 06:57:43 PM

Right, but Immolate is a binary spell; the id 47811 is only the id for the nuke, not for the dot it applies. Of course, it's possible I'm wrong and I just suck at configuring MSBT.

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Reply #481 on: October 13, 2010, 04:29:51 AM

http://www.wowhead.com/search?q=Immolate#spells

I think the DoT component is in the "Uncategorised Spells" tab for this search. Which one it actually is I can't figure out.

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Reply #482 on: October 13, 2010, 08:19:25 AM

Yea that's about as far as I got; it matters less now that 4.0.1 is here. The lock is on the back burner now that I have shit to do with my main again.

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Reply #483 on: October 30, 2010, 09:17:00 AM

When and if Blizzard changes leveling from 78-80 do they intend to just drop the amount required per level?  Do they also adjust your current exp, or can you expect to log in and get free dings?
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Reply #484 on: October 30, 2010, 10:06:44 AM

IIRC when they did it in BC they dropped the amount of xp required per level.   The amount of xp you had was adjusted so you were still about the same % through your current level, +/- a percent or so.  There were free dings only in the rare cases that someone was only a few hundred xp from leveling and that +% put them over.

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Reply #485 on: October 30, 2010, 10:46:36 AM

What Merusk said.  You went from needing 900k to level to like 250k.  And if you had 750k xp built up, it adjusted to the same % rate (aka the bubbles stayed mostly the same).  No one I know got a free level out of it.
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Reply #486 on: November 05, 2010, 03:25:01 AM

Simple question.

Decided to level up my prot warrior before Cata hits. Pissing around in Netherstorm and found something which bemused me. Earlier in the week, I was taking on 4-5 zaxxis ethereals and coming out the other side with at least half a health bar. Last night, I dinged 68 to 69 and found myself taking on the same mobs. But against two of them, I found I was hardly doing any damage and struggled to survive.

So I want to know what the hell's going on - although I suspect the answer is that I was too shitfaced to make sure that my weapon (which admittedly is in dire need of an upgrade) was either equipped or not red. But I definitely noticed that Shield Slam and Revenge hardly seemed to cause any damange.

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Reply #487 on: November 05, 2010, 05:10:07 AM

Only thing i could suggest is going back, makeing sure your gear is repaired and you are sober, and testing it to see if the same thing occurs again.  I cant remember hearing anything about major changes being pushed through recently that would kill warrior dps that bad.

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Reply #488 on: November 05, 2010, 05:47:54 AM

Only thing i could suggest is going back, makeing sure your gear is repaired

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Reply #489 on: November 05, 2010, 05:03:51 PM

Only thing I can think of is there might be a big stat req's jump at 69-69.  If so that ding might have dropped your hit rating, crit rating and block value enough to hurt your DPS.

More likely is broken equip and drunken tomfoolery.

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